After a year of treatment I am still in a wheelchair. I had five infections. I now have hyperthyroidism and some type of neuromuscular disorder. Persistent Lyme disease is a complex, multisystematic entity that is not just due to one disease, but autoimmune response, multiple tick-born infections, and triggered additional diseases. I was denied early treatment specifically due to this controversy and inaccurate tests. Many people require complex treatment--long-term antibiotics and otherwise.
The tests are known to often show false negatives- yet the patients are not informed of this. Here in Canada it was found out that many of our Labs are not shipping the blood samples correctly- thus leading to more inaccuracies. There was even a problem with one lab telling a bunch of people they did not have Lyme- when in fact they did- not told till years later. Was in the news not long ago.
A note to anyone reading the comments before this point: Do your homework- Lyme and the huge controversy around it is misleading many sick people. They get tested- the test comes back negative- and they think that they do not have Lyme- after all my Dr. says I don't.
@jp3d2k the last quote of yours is simply not true- The IDSA guidelines are biased and most certainly NOT based on ALL the evidence that exists about Lyme. The IDSA has conflicts of interest - and is basically policing themselves and there was no independent investigation. Please get your facts straight before you mislead countless people.
The IDSA Guidelines have absolutely nothing to do with what is/was researched. It is simply a summery of all the research that has been done into Lyme, and best practices for treatment supported by that body of research. All the research done so far has shown long term antibiotics do not help "Chronic Lyme" symptoms. Doctors "aren't allowed to treat" [with long term courses of antibiotics] because IT DOESN'T WORK. The real crime is quack doctors taking advantage of patients with "Chronic Lyme."
@jp3d2k Regardless of what treatment works they need to first recognize the persistence of these tick borne infection before they will every have a chance to prevent the disability and deaths of thousands of patients every year. Ignoring a persistent infection doesn't make it go away
@dllmissingerror "deaths of thousands of patients every year." Really? Lyme disease is almost completely non-fatal. Many people have died due to dangerous "alternative" treatments to the Lyme Infection they believed they had.
No one is denying the persistence and reality of people's otherwise unexplained chronic symptoms, there simply has been no evidence found (and not due to a lack of legitimate research) that such disperate chronic symptoms have anything to do with Lyme Disease.
@jp3d2k the persistence of Borellia infection after antibiotic treatment has been proven in numerous studies and many of the studies are were done by the guideline authors themselves who later chose to ignore their own studies if you feel like doing some research you can find many of those studies here
@dllmissingerror No it has not. I'm no expert on Lyme research, so I'll leave it to the experts:
Final Report of the Lyme Disease Review Panel of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA)
“Reports purporting to show the persistence of viable B. burgdorferi organisms after treatment with recommended regimens for Lyme disease have not been conclusive or corroborated by controlled studies.”
@jp3d2k I just sent you the link if your not willing to read and just going by what a small group of doctors who are on the same payroll say then you should stop posting because you are causing further problems for patients suffering from persistent tick borne infections. the document I sent you has all the proof listed in studies conducted. Like I said read before you assume you know something. God help you if you or a family member ever gets infected with these persistent infections
@dllmissingerror I did take a look at that link you sent, and it is nothing but a poorly constructed cherry-picking and misinterpretation of the data. You cannot accept only research which you think supports your viewpoint, you must take into account all evidence, and you must weigh that evidence on it's statistical significance, not by whether or not it seams to back up your theory. Should I could claim the earth is flat by ignoring all evidence from NASA: "they are all on the same payroll" ???
@dllmissingerror It is not the "majority" of the evidence. Go read the IDSA guidelines and IDSA independent review report if you don't believe me. This stuff is not some kind of secrete it's public information accepted and followed by all doctors who actually practice real evidence based medicine.
@jp3d2k the majority of studies support persistent infections. The guidelines are not a study just a group of 12 people who decide how things should go. Show me the studies that information comes from or give it a rest. You are hurting many people by feeding into this type of ignornace
@dllmissingerror are you not willing to read the IDSA guidelines, and the report by the IDSA review pannel which shows all the scientific conclusions in the guidelines were just that and not influenced by any personal opinions or possible conflicts of interest?
@dllmissingerror The Lyme "Literate" doctors who use the idea of "Chronic" Lyme as a catch-all diagnosis to mislead their patients into false hope while extracting large amounts of money from them for non-evidence based and sometimes dangerous treatments are the people who are "causing further problems for patients suffering from persistent tick borne infections" not me.
@dllmissingerror I said "The Lyme "Literate" doctors who use the idea of "Chronic" Lyme as a catch-all diagnosis to mislead their patients" but you don't seem to be getting it. Let me spell it out for you further: "Lyme Literate Doctors" are give patients with non-specific chronic symptoms (for which evidence-based medicine currently has no good explanation or treatment) the diagnosis of "Chronic Lyme" (which is not a diagnosis as far as those practicing evidence-based medicine are concerned).
@jp3d2k oh so I must have just imagined the part about "Patients suffering from persistent tick borne infections"
Tell the 5 of my friends who died in the last year from lyme disease 3 of them were not receiving any treatment because of the guidelines. The borellia bacteria has been found the cause of death at several autopsy's
Why would a healthy person like yourself chose to further injure people who are chronically ill with persistent infections?
@jp3d2k They need to recognize the persistent boreliia infection after antibiotic treatment , this has been shown in numberous studies and at autopsy. I do not argue that their is no definitive cure for persistent borellia infection.
But because they deny the existence of it's persitent many our becoming disabled and dying while nobody is searching for a cure.
@dllmissingerror again, I am not trying to "further injure" anyone! The only possibility of further injury to people with undiagnossable chronic symptoms is from quack doctors giving them dangerous and completely ineffective treatments. Just because medicine has no answer doesn't mean you can just make one up.
@jp3d2k there is no known cure as of yet for persistent borellia infection around 5 percent get better with antibiotics. What the antibiotics do is improve quality of life for many. I have personally seen many come out of wheelchairs and get back to work off of disability after treatment. But there is no real cure so I guess this means these people should be left to let the infections attack them
@dllmissingerror this is not something fun for me. I know someone who has spent a lot of time and money being mislead and lied to by a "Lyme Literate" doctor. I have a feeling you might be in a similar situation. I truly empathize with you. I wish I could say "YES Chronic Lyme exists, and it can be cured by treatment X," but I can't because I am an honest person with and strong conscious. I would not tell you such a lie; a particularly horrible lie because of the false hope it gives.
@jp3d2k there is no doubt persistent boreliia infection exists it has been proven time and time again at atopsy. What is not know is how to cure these persistent infections. So according to your theory we should just sit back and die while nobody does anything about a cure.
@dllmissingerror "there is no doubt persistent boreliia infection exists" That is not true. There is doubt. In fact there is so much doubt that as far as we can tell such a thing does not exist. If you feel like doing some research download a copy of IDSALymeDiseaseFinalReport.pdf
@dllmissingerror To save you some trouble: "To date, there is no convincing biologic evidence for the existence of symptomatic chronic B. burgdorferi infection among patients after receipt of recommended treatment regimens for Lyme disease."
@jp3d2k total crap from the same doctors. Borellia infection has been found persistent in numerous studies and found at autopsy time and time again. you have tunnel vision and looking at work from the same 12 IDSA Doctors
@dllmissingerror Again, the IDSA guidelines are based on ALL the evidence that exists about Lyme, and have been reviewed and upheld by an independent investigation. With all due respect, you are the one with tunnel vision. I'm sorry you are so entrenched in your belief that Lyme is somehow the cause of your and others chronic symptoms, but the evidence as a whole simply does not support that belief. Those are the facts. Good luck with your health.
Well put young lady , long term antibiotics probably saved my life . Lets not forget that it's perfectly OK to treat acne with long term antibiotics . Also lets not forget that Lymes closest relative is syphilis which is also not treated with 2 weeks of medication . Good luck to all who suffer from this terrible disease .
Please check out my channel and spread the "SubLyme Ascent" songs/videos. I need to get enough exposure to sell this album through the Lyme associations cross-country...and hopefully around the world. The reason? Because I plan on giving ALL proceeds, other than production costs and 10% for my band's medical expenses (I'm the songwriter for BolaFeld and have confirmed Lyme, Mycoplasma and Morgellon's Trematodes-especially in the pores of my nose), to the researching LLMD's trying to cure us all.
theresident, there is far more advanced and effective technology available for treating pathogenic microbes than just antibiotics. I would choose antibiotics last due to there rather harmful and unpleasant side effects.
I would refer you to one Dr. Bob Beck, he has some rather interesting lectures on here about new technology available to eliminate all known viruses/bacteria. Works great, I can confirm it curing chronic hep B, mycobacterium avium, mycoplasma. Should do Lyme no problem.
this killed my dad. The dumbass doctors wouldn't acknowledge the findings.. so they refused to treat him for it... 15 years of suffering with a cure available
though he will be far more comfortable now. I know how destructive this disease is, It wrecks lives in many ways.
The thing here is A doctor take the Hippocratic oath when they graduate. What happened to this? It should be against the Law not to treat a sick patient.
Well said. I knew a doctor who was suspended for treating too much Lyme. This was in the mid 90s in Michigan. He and his patients suffered because of the suspension.
Funny, conspiracy is okay for this... No one mentions the media exclusion of anti climate change and global warming experts, let's talk about that next time...WE ALL KNOW BIG BUSINESS DOES SHIT LIKE THIS ROBERT LUDLUM TOLD US B4 HE WROTE THE BOURNE SERIES!
@ROLLGRAB Spot on indeed, global warming will do us all in the coming decade, with the help of peak oil leadng to financial meltdown, without even mentioning the nuclear $hit, so this vid' about a single disease is also (albeit unintentionally, of course) part of a greater conspiracy of silence, in a way...
Just find out what the antibiotic cure for chronic lyme disease is, and order it in bulk from a veterinary supply store. Take the recommended dose for as long as it takes to cure lyme. Problem solved, no need for a doctor or insurance company.
Maybe they would find it better if they stopped looking for chronic Lyme disease and started looking for chronic Tick Associated Poly-organic Syndromes.
Democracy is dead. It's time to round up the capitalists(the super wealthy who buy politicians like chewing gum) and put them in jail forever ( hard time). They are committing treason against the people of this planet. Redistribute their wealth and start again!
"A third and controversial use of the term applies to patients with nonspecific symptoms, such as fatigue, who show no objective evidence they have been infected with Lyme disease in the past, since the standard diagnostic tests for infection are negative."
@aallppiinnee current testing they go by is at best 40 percent accurate because there are many strains of these tick borne ifnections and they are only testing for a few. Protect yourself and family by learning about this
i had lyme dis took antibiotics and a lng time later after i was supposedly cured had a new test that showed it in my system my doctor said u got med were cured then why the fuck does it show in my blood when tested wtf
@drifter848 This happens every day.. The said thing is the doctor knows you have it but is scared to acknowledge it in fear of being brought to the medical board for not following the corrupt IDSA Guidelines
My brother -in-law works at a Long Island lab that produces Lyme Disease diagnostics & antibiotics. AFAIK he's not a Reptilian Overlord. But, like the rest of us, he may work for them.
Lyme Disease is a kissin' cousin to Syphilis, which is a fatal progressive illness. I don't doubt that Lyme is chronic.
The reason that I bring this up is not because I support big pharma and the insurance companies. Its that misinformation leads people to do really stupid things like doubting the doctor, and seeking unproven therapies in place of proper medical advice. This sort of thing has been on the rise, leading to such nonsense as people not vaccinating their children due to antivax'er crap, and old diseases becoming previlent again.
The reason they give in the concluding remarks on their site is specifically in regard to the long term use of antibiotics, and the discouraging of their prolonged use. Its not a consperancy, its done as a matter of safety to discourage doctors from needlessly applying antibiotics. This has become a major issue as long term antibiotic use causes resistance to develop, and it renders current drugs useless when new pathogens develop. Just thought Id clear that up since your statement is misleading
If you actually go and READ the guidelines, they do NOT explicitly denounce the existance of chronic lymes. They instead say that there is not sufficient evidence yet to support the claim of chronic lymes, and that the studies are still ongoing, so the jury is still out. They didnt say it doesnt exist, just that they havent seen any standardized studies showing it DOES.
Ive had lymes four times. Fortunately, I develop the typ. bullseye reaction to it, so I can treat it right away. My father has a practice, and has seen that Lymes can possibly cause some long term problems if you let it go for a LONG time. After all, it attacks the nervous system, joints, etc.
On the one hand I can see how patenting things can make medicine move forward by giving companies an incentive to find cures for people, but there has to be a balancing act here. On the one hand we can't ignore the fact that currently the United States is the top dog in new cures & medical research and this has a lot to do with companies being able to make money off of them, but on the other hand we can't ignore that the patients are the main reason for medicine to exist in the first place.
I know somebody that has this cronick lime desease. he was a university professor once and now cant even drive a car because of this condition. unfortunately the treatment of this desease is still slow here in Germany.
One big problem is that the average person is giving away all responsibility for his health to doctors, who are expected to fix everything. It should not be so.
Just like with money, where a healthy economy depends on the individual's behaviour as much as it does on the institution's, our health depends on our responsibility to ourselves. We don't need our GP's permission to be healthy and stay that way.
In any case, there are many non-Western physicians who would take on these kinds of cases.
I've had Lyme Disease. A doctor told me that's what I probably had but wouldn't put it in paper, just told me to find a specialist. No doctor would treat me, I had to go to a special doctor, but I never did. Fought it off myself. I have an immune system from the gates of hell so I was able to do it myself. Terrible sickness, I thought I was going to die. I almost did. Worse pain imaginable. Still hurts years later.
All you haters have no idea what you are talking about. You don't "get it" until you literally get it, Lyme Disease. It is a debilitating disease and it can destroy your life! This is not a fake disease. 100's of doctors wouldn't be risking their licenses, their lives, on a fake disease, trust me!!!
From the IDSA: "Reports purporting to show the persistence of viable B. burgdorferi organisms after treatment with recommended regimens for Lyme disease have not been conclusive or corroborated by controlled studies." If there is no evidence and no agreement, then physicians' licenses can be pulled legally and insurance companies can refuse to pay.
We should just abolish Intellectual Property laws. This would break up the monopoly of the idea and allow others to provide a similar or even the same product to compete with the monopoly holder. It is true they can form a cartel and control the market. however as more companies enter the market it gets harder and harder to maintain it. IP laws also prohibit our 1st amendment rights. Abolishing IP would be a win win. LET TALK ABOUT THAT :)
Problem is, no one is assassinating the people in charge of this. It is up to you guys to use violence. After all, they are using violence on you so it is only self defense.
I don't believe physicians and health workers would lie to us. If you can't trust the word of a doctor, who can you trust? The sad thing is people go online and read about this bogus Lyme disease and there are always some who will believe it. On the Internet there are all kinds of these crazy non-existing diseases. If you're looking for a disease you can find one on the Internet.
@Northern5tar If you try to navigate the medical landscape with your approach, you will be lost in the wilderness. Read "Blood Work: A Tale of Medicine and Murder in the Scientific Revolution." Nothing has really changed and humility is still in short supply. Physicians practice what is called community medicine; whereas, the individualized approach to medicine is decades off into the future. This enlightened view will only be possible because of basic research at the genome level.
@Northern5tar I would like to agree with you. But... maybe you're right. Right? Even if I concede that (which I actually don't) I do know this: many physicians are utter dimwits. The culture of orthodox Western medicine is so corrupt and insular that I don't trust 75% of what the average GP says.
Either way, if people were generally healthy the impact of diseases would be lessened. We should take at lest some responsibility for our health. Doctors only have to live with you 15mins at a time.
I am 38 and got lyme disease when I was 31 . I think I treated it early but my joints really hurt now and I find that my enthusiasm for working out has wained because of that . I have been a weight lifter and have done my share of cardio since highschool . I cannot tell if its the lyme disease or getting older and weight training my entire life . My knuckles hurt typing this . I am over weight now also , but I would like to train still but it hurts . Does anybody know of doctors who can determ
WOW! Maybe this is because healthcare and drugs shouldn't be a profit market!
Well maybe... i'm confused....i think i'll wait that some people from these markets says what i have to think on tv. Nothing can go wrong when others thinks for you!!!
The bacterium is of the genus Borrelia, not the tick! The ticks are Ixodes, if memory serves. Details count if you're trying to make a scientific argument.
My dad suffers from Chronic Lyme. I know exactly how it affects him. We watched that movie together. It is so sad how many doctors he has to go through in one year just to get treated. Thank you so much for posting thisi video. I hope it raises more awareness for chronic LD.
Why is America so messed up? Thanks for bringing this to out attention. This leads me to wonder, how else are insurance companies abusing the good American people.
Late stage Lyme disease is awful. It leads to auto-immune diseases like arthritis and you will forever live in pain because there's no cure. When you treat it early, it can be eradicated with antibiotics. So, if you've spent time out in the woods and come back with a rash that looks like a bulls-eye, GO TO THE DOCTOR! I studied this disease in my Medical Microbiology class this Spring. It's awful, but it's also not fatal as she said.
Great video! This is the type of video you shine doing. It sounds like it is time to get that live organism patent process revamped so they can not do this. I have never had Lyme disease from what I understand it is no fun. I hope who ever you know who has or had it is better or getting better.
If you're going to use statistics to support your claims please ensure they are indisputably correct! "6 too 12 fold" <- That's we actually don't have a fucking clue.
Colloidal silver, "works very well on all 3 types of Lyme Disease". Over in about a week. OR, "go to your doctor, & get tetracycline, 'where it will only get worse, until death'"... Mo $, mo $, mo $!!!
Let the ones that say it doesn't exist get the disease and see how long it takes them to change their mind. Another great article Lori, keep up the fight.
In the US, you get the health care you can afford. I guarantee that no wealthy person will ever have to worry about getting the proper course of treatment for chronic Lyme disease. But the middle class or the poor? Yeah about that... you just get to suffer and die. USA! USA! USA!
@tetsubo57 A sick rich person will be screwed by the medicorps anyway. They will order massive numbers of unnecessary tests and charge as much as is humanly possible, in order to screw the most out of them, Unless the insurance company or the single payer system says "no that is completely unncessary and possibly dangerous"
@dangerouslytalented The truly wealth don't need health insurance. They can just pay out of pocket. I want to go to a single payer system of course. But I am apparently an Evil Socialist.
@tetsubo57 I live in Australia and single payer is awesome. Even if you have health insurance, it all ends up much cheaper. Hell, even if you pay out of pocket it ends up cheaper.
In America, those who choose to pay out of pocket get ripped off, if you are rich, then the medicorps have you by the testicles.
@dangerouslytalented You are correct. Ask Wendell Potter about the U.S. "health" insurance industry. Take a look at WendellPotterdotcom for his blog. Let the rich fund their healthcare by what ever means they choose. Single payer is the only sane approach. They would soon see the folly of their choice and demand single payer. CheneyCare for all!!!
The American taxpayer paid for the scientific infrastructure that has been translated into better healthcare. We all know who the parasites are in both society and nature. Educate yourself about the truth behind Big Pharma and the "health insurers" while you're well and before you need them.
The World Health Organization WHO has the most accurate acronym for health. Silvio Berlusconi is famous among the media that dare think beyond the buddy system of murder as "genocide" and less known as profit from death by disease. He's the center piece of spirit channel CANNIBALISM. Dreams adjacent sleep are definitely spirit WiFi from "other". Trying to pass them off as only from within is absurd. How far would you go to be as close to omnipotent as you can get?
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It might have been a manufactured bug. There's stuff that is generally suppressed so that we don't know something and can be processed. The physics and even the lowered cities seem to say the earth is hollow with the same gravity on the inside surface. It just seemed to fly in my face one day. There is a useful technology that is better for energy use than what we use, that is completely abandoned & sequestered to outer surace... It's simple as making sure we don't throw away heat energy.
You just gotta love America. I feel sorry for average people living in a country THAT infected by corruption. You should have the same possibilities as those of us living in civilized countries have. makes for one hell of a difference in how secure you feel.
The american dream. You have to be asleep to believe it.
American healthcare system sucks. I'm glad I was born in Holland. Here they treat you for everything. Also in the US, because we're 100% international insured. But we're also obligated to pay 150 euro a month for that. That's 2570 $ a year. Bugger.
TheResident is 100% correct. What if Watson and Crick had patented the structure of DNA and controlled the genetic code? Just as with the discovery of insulin by Banting and Best, "Glory Enough For All" is often denied. This is just one more example of the changes in science and medicine that began in the early 1980's.
@McNistor Yes, others had made the connection at about the same time, but proof of principle awaited Banting and Best. We all "stand on the shoulders of others," and as Vonnegut said, "Just because you can read, write and do a little math, doesn't mean that you're entitled to conquer the universe." That could be extended to read Just because you can gain some small insight into the mysteries of life, doesn't mean that you're entitled to make unholy money off the sick.
I can't help but think that this situatuion only exists in the US due to the fact that there is no government health care, health care providers, insureance companies and pharmicists can charge what they want because there is no government service to undercut them by providing free or subsidized healthcare.
Thank you.
BabyMaiya 3 days ago
i have a question, is this retarded woman your doctor>
eraldb12 1 month ago
After a year of treatment I am still in a wheelchair. I had five infections. I now have hyperthyroidism and some type of neuromuscular disorder. Persistent Lyme disease is a complex, multisystematic entity that is not just due to one disease, but autoimmune response, multiple tick-born infections, and triggered additional diseases. I was denied early treatment specifically due to this controversy and inaccurate tests. Many people require complex treatment--long-term antibiotics and otherwise.
Acerbitas 2 months ago
"chronic" lyme disease is known to doctors and they do treat it.
mikes1984 2 months ago
@mikes1984 Not necessarily.
JenniferSaraMusic 2 weeks ago
The tests are known to often show false negatives- yet the patients are not informed of this. Here in Canada it was found out that many of our Labs are not shipping the blood samples correctly- thus leading to more inaccuracies. There was even a problem with one lab telling a bunch of people they did not have Lyme- when in fact they did- not told till years later. Was in the news not long ago.
londonlymelites 4 months ago
A note to anyone reading the comments before this point: Do your homework- Lyme and the huge controversy around it is misleading many sick people. They get tested- the test comes back negative- and they think that they do not have Lyme- after all my Dr. says I don't.
londonlymelites 4 months ago
@jp3d2k the last quote of yours is simply not true- The IDSA guidelines are biased and most certainly NOT based on ALL the evidence that exists about Lyme. The IDSA has conflicts of interest - and is basically policing themselves and there was no independent investigation. Please get your facts straight before you mislead countless people.
londonlymelites 4 months ago
Who ever disliked this obviously hasn't been effected by persistent lyme disease. Protect yourselves and love ones by doing some research
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
The IDSA Guidelines have absolutely nothing to do with what is/was researched. It is simply a summery of all the research that has been done into Lyme, and best practices for treatment supported by that body of research. All the research done so far has shown long term antibiotics do not help "Chronic Lyme" symptoms. Doctors "aren't allowed to treat" [with long term courses of antibiotics] because IT DOESN'T WORK. The real crime is quack doctors taking advantage of patients with "Chronic Lyme."
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k Regardless of what treatment works they need to first recognize the persistence of these tick borne infection before they will every have a chance to prevent the disability and deaths of thousands of patients every year. Ignoring a persistent infection doesn't make it go away
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror "deaths of thousands of patients every year." Really? Lyme disease is almost completely non-fatal. Many people have died due to dangerous "alternative" treatments to the Lyme Infection they believed they had.
No one is denying the persistence and reality of people's otherwise unexplained chronic symptoms, there simply has been no evidence found (and not due to a lack of legitimate research) that such disperate chronic symptoms have anything to do with Lyme Disease.
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k the persistence of Borellia infection after antibiotic treatment has been proven in numerous studies and many of the studies are were done by the guideline authors themselves who later chose to ignore their own studies if you feel like doing some research you can find many of those studies here
lymekick.com/the-case-for-chronic-infection-evidential-persistence-t39.html
Keep your eye open for many of the IDSA doctors in these studies.
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror Do a little reading seriously or stop posting
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror No it has not. I'm no expert on Lyme research, so I'll leave it to the experts:
Final Report of the Lyme Disease Review Panel of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA)
“Reports purporting to show the persistence of viable B. burgdorferi organisms after treatment with recommended regimens for Lyme disease have not been conclusive or corroborated by controlled studies.”
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k I just sent you the link if your not willing to read and just going by what a small group of doctors who are on the same payroll say then you should stop posting because you are causing further problems for patients suffering from persistent tick borne infections. the document I sent you has all the proof listed in studies conducted. Like I said read before you assume you know something. God help you if you or a family member ever gets infected with these persistent infections
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror I did take a look at that link you sent, and it is nothing but a poorly constructed cherry-picking and misinterpretation of the data. You cannot accept only research which you think supports your viewpoint, you must take into account all evidence, and you must weigh that evidence on it's statistical significance, not by whether or not it seams to back up your theory. Should I could claim the earth is flat by ignoring all evidence from NASA: "they are all on the same payroll" ???
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k Cherry picking? did you notice how the studies are done by many IDSA doctors?
This is the majority of the evidence show me some that supports your theory please then we can continue this waste of my time.
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror It is not the "majority" of the evidence. Go read the IDSA guidelines and IDSA independent review report if you don't believe me. This stuff is not some kind of secrete it's public information accepted and followed by all doctors who actually practice real evidence based medicine.
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k the majority of studies support persistent infections. The guidelines are not a study just a group of 12 people who decide how things should go. Show me the studies that information comes from or give it a rest. You are hurting many people by feeding into this type of ignornace
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror are you not willing to read the IDSA guidelines, and the report by the IDSA review pannel which shows all the scientific conclusions in the guidelines were just that and not influenced by any personal opinions or possible conflicts of interest?
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k I have read the guidelines where are the studies? I have those there are barely any that support their claims.
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror I don't think you have even seen the ISDA guidelines. Otherwise you would know how ridiculous that statement is...
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror The Lyme "Literate" doctors who use the idea of "Chronic" Lyme as a catch-all diagnosis to mislead their patients into false hope while extracting large amounts of money from them for non-evidence based and sometimes dangerous treatments are the people who are "causing further problems for patients suffering from persistent tick borne infections" not me.
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k Oh so now there are Persistent tick borne infections? which is it? there is or isn't?
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror I said "The Lyme "Literate" doctors who use the idea of "Chronic" Lyme as a catch-all diagnosis to mislead their patients" but you don't seem to be getting it. Let me spell it out for you further: "Lyme Literate Doctors" are give patients with non-specific chronic symptoms (for which evidence-based medicine currently has no good explanation or treatment) the diagnosis of "Chronic Lyme" (which is not a diagnosis as far as those practicing evidence-based medicine are concerned).
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k oh so I must have just imagined the part about "Patients suffering from persistent tick borne infections"
Tell the 5 of my friends who died in the last year from lyme disease 3 of them were not receiving any treatment because of the guidelines. The borellia bacteria has been found the cause of death at several autopsy's
Why would a healthy person like yourself chose to further injure people who are chronically ill with persistent infections?
is this just something fun for you?
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror No one is disputing that there are patients suffering from chronic symptoms that medicine does not have a diagnosis for.
The evidence as a whole does not show that these various chronic symptoms are caused by Lyme infection.
The evidence as a whole has found no effective treatment for these chronic symptoms (regardless of their cause).
So how do you think the IDSA should change their guidelines?
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k They need to recognize the persistent boreliia infection after antibiotic treatment , this has been shown in numberous studies and at autopsy. I do not argue that their is no definitive cure for persistent borellia infection.
But because they deny the existence of it's persitent many our becoming disabled and dying while nobody is searching for a cure.
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror again, I am not trying to "further injure" anyone! The only possibility of further injury to people with undiagnossable chronic symptoms is from quack doctors giving them dangerous and completely ineffective treatments. Just because medicine has no answer doesn't mean you can just make one up.
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k there is no known cure as of yet for persistent borellia infection around 5 percent get better with antibiotics. What the antibiotics do is improve quality of life for many. I have personally seen many come out of wheelchairs and get back to work off of disability after treatment. But there is no real cure so I guess this means these people should be left to let the infections attack them
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror this is not something fun for me. I know someone who has spent a lot of time and money being mislead and lied to by a "Lyme Literate" doctor. I have a feeling you might be in a similar situation. I truly empathize with you. I wish I could say "YES Chronic Lyme exists, and it can be cured by treatment X," but I can't because I am an honest person with and strong conscious. I would not tell you such a lie; a particularly horrible lie because of the false hope it gives.
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k there is no doubt persistent boreliia infection exists it has been proven time and time again at atopsy. What is not know is how to cure these persistent infections. So according to your theory we should just sit back and die while nobody does anything about a cure.
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror "there is no doubt persistent boreliia infection exists" That is not true. There is doubt. In fact there is so much doubt that as far as we can tell such a thing does not exist. If you feel like doing some research download a copy of IDSALymeDiseaseFinalReport.pdf
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror To save you some trouble: "To date, there is no convincing biologic evidence for the existence of symptomatic chronic B. burgdorferi infection among patients after receipt of recommended treatment regimens for Lyme disease."
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k total crap from the same doctors. Borellia infection has been found persistent in numerous studies and found at autopsy time and time again. you have tunnel vision and looking at work from the same 12 IDSA Doctors
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror Again, the IDSA guidelines are based on ALL the evidence that exists about Lyme, and have been reviewed and upheld by an independent investigation. With all due respect, you are the one with tunnel vision. I'm sorry you are so entrenched in your belief that Lyme is somehow the cause of your and others chronic symptoms, but the evidence as a whole simply does not support that belief. Those are the facts. Good luck with your health.
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@jp3d2k it sounds like you might be the one who needs luck in your health.
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror I thought you said I was a healthy person? Or are you insinuating that I am mentally insane for trusting in evidence-based medicine?
jp3d2k 4 months ago
@dllmissingerror "Symptoms that are commonly attributed to chronic
or persistent Lyme, such as arthralgias, fatigue, and cognitive dysfunction, are seen
in many other clinical conditions and are, in fact, common in the general population.
This remains true whether or not they are also features of Lyme disease. It would thus
be clinically imprudent to make the diagnosis of Lyme disease using these nonspecific
findings alone."
jp3d2k 4 months ago
I've got LD and am suffering terribly. TY for your video
utub5432 4 months ago
Very true in the Tennessee area. No Dr will diagnose Lyme even with a positive test ...
gypsyangeluv69 6 months ago
Well put young lady , long term antibiotics probably saved my life . Lets not forget that it's perfectly OK to treat acne with long term antibiotics . Also lets not forget that Lymes closest relative is syphilis which is also not treated with 2 weeks of medication . Good luck to all who suffer from this terrible disease .
toadranger50 7 months ago 7
I like this chick. FUCK THE GOVERNMENT - YOU FUCKING DOGS HAVE RUINED MY LIFE YOU FUCKING SCUM !!!
MrDeadsea000 7 months ago 6
Please check out my channel and spread the "SubLyme Ascent" songs/videos. I need to get enough exposure to sell this album through the Lyme associations cross-country...and hopefully around the world. The reason? Because I plan on giving ALL proceeds, other than production costs and 10% for my band's medical expenses (I'm the songwriter for BolaFeld and have confirmed Lyme, Mycoplasma and Morgellon's Trematodes-especially in the pores of my nose), to the researching LLMD's trying to cure us all.
LymieVoid 7 months ago
theresident, there is far more advanced and effective technology available for treating pathogenic microbes than just antibiotics. I would choose antibiotics last due to there rather harmful and unpleasant side effects.
I would refer you to one Dr. Bob Beck, he has some rather interesting lectures on here about new technology available to eliminate all known viruses/bacteria. Works great, I can confirm it curing chronic hep B, mycobacterium avium, mycoplasma. Should do Lyme no problem.
carter102 7 months ago
lol. everyone who knows about lyme knows. wtf u troll that some controversy exists. u said it- u made it
Kangarooo5 8 months ago
this killed my dad. The dumbass doctors wouldn't acknowledge the findings.. so they refused to treat him for it... 15 years of suffering with a cure available
TheBestPartsOfLife 8 months ago
@TheBestPartsOfLife I am sorry for your loss,
though he will be far more comfortable now. I know how destructive this disease is, It wrecks lives in many ways.
The thing here is A doctor take the Hippocratic oath when they graduate. What happened to this? It should be against the Law not to treat a sick patient.
ifonlyihad 8 months ago
I've watched the documentary and I'm astounded. I had no idea things were this bad.
What's particularly striking is that the documentary exposes how
medical "professionals" are towing the "official line"
about Lyme disease.
It reminds me how professionals have towed the official line about 9/11 being done by Muslims, when all the evidence says it was an inside job.
Never believe that most Americans are brave. Maybe 1 in 100 is... or 1 in 1000.
zck7 9 months ago
Well said. I knew a doctor who was suspended for treating too much Lyme. This was in the mid 90s in Michigan. He and his patients suffered because of the suspension.
nickjones65 9 months ago
OK, my local library has two copies of the documentary. I will watch it.
BTW I've known three people who have had Lyme and they described the cure as very unpleasant.
zck7 9 months ago
Lori, you mispronounced "genus" in your first sentence. It's expressed as jee-nus.
Not that I hold that against you.
zck7 9 months ago
Thank you for that report. Great information.
mjd7 9 months ago
Funny, conspiracy is okay for this... No one mentions the media exclusion of anti climate change and global warming experts, let's talk about that next time...WE ALL KNOW BIG BUSINESS DOES SHIT LIKE THIS ROBERT LUDLUM TOLD US B4 HE WROTE THE BOURNE SERIES!
ROLLGRAB 9 months ago
@ROLLGRAB Spot on indeed, global warming will do us all in the coming decade, with the help of peak oil leadng to financial meltdown, without even mentioning the nuclear $hit, so this vid' about a single disease is also (albeit unintentionally, of course) part of a greater conspiracy of silence, in a way...
dorvekable 9 months ago
Just find out what the antibiotic cure for chronic lyme disease is, and order it in bulk from a veterinary supply store. Take the recommended dose for as long as it takes to cure lyme. Problem solved, no need for a doctor or insurance company.
Swiley11780 9 months ago
Maybe they would find it better if they stopped looking for chronic Lyme disease and started looking for chronic Tick Associated Poly-organic Syndromes.
klutterkicker 9 months ago
Democracy is dead. It's time to round up the capitalists(the super wealthy who buy politicians like chewing gum) and put them in jail forever ( hard time). They are committing treason against the people of this planet. Redistribute their wealth and start again!
paulius1357 9 months ago
If you include Lemon Lyme disease the condition is really rampant.
dkw12002 9 months ago
this isn't true i can't find it anywhere on wikipedia.
floofypoof 9 months ago
"A third and controversial use of the term applies to patients with nonspecific symptoms, such as fatigue, who show no objective evidence they have been infected with Lyme disease in the past, since the standard diagnostic tests for infection are negative."
THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
aallppiinnee 9 months ago
@aallppiinnee current testing they go by is at best 40 percent accurate because there are many strains of these tick borne ifnections and they are only testing for a few. Protect yourself and family by learning about this
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
when is the weiner video coming?
STILLNAKEDBULLWINKLE 9 months ago
i had lyme dis took antibiotics and a lng time later after i was supposedly cured had a new test that showed it in my system my doctor said u got med were cured then why the fuck does it show in my blood when tested wtf
drifter848 9 months ago
@drifter848 This happens every day.. The said thing is the doctor knows you have it but is scared to acknowledge it in fear of being brought to the medical board for not following the corrupt IDSA Guidelines
dllmissingerror 4 months ago
MIKMA WAS HERE
mikma 9 months ago
I didnt though woman could realize what horrible thing man, even of today are capable of.
Like the old bitch on the views show when they got jesse ventura they were like but this is horrible acusation there no way blah blah...
QCBEC 9 months ago
My brother -in-law works at a Long Island lab that produces Lyme Disease diagnostics & antibiotics. AFAIK he's not a Reptilian Overlord. But, like the rest of us, he may work for them.
Lyme Disease is a kissin' cousin to Syphilis, which is a fatal progressive illness. I don't doubt that Lyme is chronic.
audadvnc 9 months ago
Wow! I did not know this
shayshayabedin 9 months ago
It is the crime of capitalism rooted in the sin of greed rooted in the delusion of having an I, a me, a self.
SilentSpace227 9 months ago
here is what I have to say: welcome to the United States of America. Be Proud!
pbernasc 9 months ago
here is what I have to say: welcome to the United States of America. Be Proud!
pbernasc 9 months ago
this womans got one of those really annoying american accents.
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pulman7 9 months ago
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pulman7 9 months ago
The reason that I bring this up is not because I support big pharma and the insurance companies. Its that misinformation leads people to do really stupid things like doubting the doctor, and seeking unproven therapies in place of proper medical advice. This sort of thing has been on the rise, leading to such nonsense as people not vaccinating their children due to antivax'er crap, and old diseases becoming previlent again.
mysock351W 9 months ago
2) "2006 Recommendation
Antibiotic therapy has not proven to be useful and is not recommended for patients with
chronic (>6 months) subjective symptoms after recommended treatment regimens for Lyme
disease (E-I)."
mysock351W 9 months ago
FYI: Here are the two original statements from the report:
1) "2006 Recommendation
To date, there is no convincing biologic evidence for the existence of symptomatic chronic
B. burgdorferi infection among patients after receipt of recommended treatment regimens for
Lyme disease."
mysock351W 9 months ago
The reason they give in the concluding remarks on their site is specifically in regard to the long term use of antibiotics, and the discouraging of their prolonged use. Its not a consperancy, its done as a matter of safety to discourage doctors from needlessly applying antibiotics. This has become a major issue as long term antibiotic use causes resistance to develop, and it renders current drugs useless when new pathogens develop. Just thought Id clear that up since your statement is misleading
mysock351W 9 months ago
If you actually go and READ the guidelines, they do NOT explicitly denounce the existance of chronic lymes. They instead say that there is not sufficient evidence yet to support the claim of chronic lymes, and that the studies are still ongoing, so the jury is still out. They didnt say it doesnt exist, just that they havent seen any standardized studies showing it DOES.
mysock351W 9 months ago
Ive had lymes four times. Fortunately, I develop the typ. bullseye reaction to it, so I can treat it right away. My father has a practice, and has seen that Lymes can possibly cause some long term problems if you let it go for a LONG time. After all, it attacks the nervous system, joints, etc.
mysock351W 9 months ago
may i direct you this way.
/watch?v=Yv9nV7Brc8Q&feature=relmfu
TheRealKhain 9 months ago
On the one hand I can see how patenting things can make medicine move forward by giving companies an incentive to find cures for people, but there has to be a balancing act here. On the one hand we can't ignore the fact that currently the United States is the top dog in new cures & medical research and this has a lot to do with companies being able to make money off of them, but on the other hand we can't ignore that the patients are the main reason for medicine to exist in the first place.
lauraleesmithagain 9 months ago
The great mystery is why this sudden increase?
ClemyNX 9 months ago
now youre back on track resident!
saulwilliams56 9 months ago
I know somebody that has this cronick lime desease. he was a university professor once and now cant even drive a car because of this condition. unfortunately the treatment of this desease is still slow here in Germany.
SuperTB4 9 months ago
One big problem is that the average person is giving away all responsibility for his health to doctors, who are expected to fix everything. It should not be so.
Just like with money, where a healthy economy depends on the individual's behaviour as much as it does on the institution's, our health depends on our responsibility to ourselves. We don't need our GP's permission to be healthy and stay that way.
In any case, there are many non-Western physicians who would take on these kinds of cases.
PikemannUrge 9 months ago
I've had Lyme Disease. A doctor told me that's what I probably had but wouldn't put it in paper, just told me to find a specialist. No doctor would treat me, I had to go to a special doctor, but I never did. Fought it off myself. I have an immune system from the gates of hell so I was able to do it myself. Terrible sickness, I thought I was going to die. I almost did. Worse pain imaginable. Still hurts years later.
Jason607 9 months ago
All you haters have no idea what you are talking about. You don't "get it" until you literally get it, Lyme Disease. It is a debilitating disease and it can destroy your life! This is not a fake disease. 100's of doctors wouldn't be risking their licenses, their lives, on a fake disease, trust me!!!
SellyNue 9 months ago
From the IDSA: "Reports purporting to show the persistence of viable B. burgdorferi organisms after treatment with recommended regimens for Lyme disease have not been conclusive or corroborated by controlled studies." If there is no evidence and no agreement, then physicians' licenses can be pulled legally and insurance companies can refuse to pay.
dsmoya31410 9 months ago
We should just abolish Intellectual Property laws. This would break up the monopoly of the idea and allow others to provide a similar or even the same product to compete with the monopoly holder. It is true they can form a cartel and control the market. however as more companies enter the market it gets harder and harder to maintain it. IP laws also prohibit our 1st amendment rights. Abolishing IP would be a win win. LET TALK ABOUT THAT :)
alita589 9 months ago
Problem is, no one is assassinating the people in charge of this. It is up to you guys to use violence. After all, they are using violence on you so it is only self defense.
MrStillmans 9 months ago 11
hmn...ticks carrying a pathogen somehow is an excuse to use violence against companies that actually do something against it. yep, you're a marxist.
aallppiinnee 9 months ago 2
@aallppiinnee you dont get it.
inkydigitz 8 months ago
@MrStillmans Preemptive strikes? perhaps .
segenerith 9 months ago
Lori, you're barking up the wrong tree accusing doctors and big pharmaceutical companies.
The underlying issue IS THE FDA, which creates the monopoly status for these companies by crushing regulations!
It takes over 10 years and costs around $1 billion to approve a drug - OBVIOUSLY these comapnies now need to protect themselves.
Why don't you New Yorkers with all your useless degrees realise this??
I've posted this issue to you many times before but get no response.
LibertyDownUnder 9 months ago
I don't believe physicians and health workers would lie to us. If you can't trust the word of a doctor, who can you trust? The sad thing is people go online and read about this bogus Lyme disease and there are always some who will believe it. On the Internet there are all kinds of these crazy non-existing diseases. If you're looking for a disease you can find one on the Internet.
Northern5tar 9 months ago
@Northern5tar If you try to navigate the medical landscape with your approach, you will be lost in the wilderness. Read "Blood Work: A Tale of Medicine and Murder in the Scientific Revolution." Nothing has really changed and humility is still in short supply. Physicians practice what is called community medicine; whereas, the individualized approach to medicine is decades off into the future. This enlightened view will only be possible because of basic research at the genome level.
2000HocusPocus 9 months ago
@Northern5tar I would like to agree with you. But... maybe you're right. Right? Even if I concede that (which I actually don't) I do know this: many physicians are utter dimwits. The culture of orthodox Western medicine is so corrupt and insular that I don't trust 75% of what the average GP says.
Either way, if people were generally healthy the impact of diseases would be lessened. We should take at lest some responsibility for our health. Doctors only have to live with you 15mins at a time.
PikemannUrge 9 months ago
@PikemannUrge I was actually trying to make a point to Lori but she didn't bite. ;)
Lyme disease is very real and many physicians will knowingly or unknowingly lie to you just as much as every other person. That's my real position.
Northern5tar 9 months ago
You're getting older and it shows.
wojtek0000 9 months ago
Antibiotics eventually destroy your immune system.
ALWAYS follow the money.
RAMKING61 9 months ago
I LIVE IN CANADA :) :)
AidanSpeaks 9 months ago
Thank you.
dansal70 9 months ago
to Lyme Disease, add AIDS, Cancer and so many other "diseases" that exists but we have a wrong perception about them.
the cure is not in the pharma business, but hush! don't tell them anybody, because the're gonna run out of it.
check this out, and let your mind be flipped out !
newmedicine.ca
cosmicmanik 9 months ago
Thank you Lori for this info! Shared it on my FB page!
gobigorange99 9 months ago
That's messed up,I'm glad I live in Australia.I take a heap of prescription drugs,if I lived in America I'd probably be dead already!
yousief 9 months ago
I am 38 and got lyme disease when I was 31 . I think I treated it early but my joints really hurt now and I find that my enthusiasm for working out has wained because of that . I have been a weight lifter and have done my share of cardio since highschool . I cannot tell if its the lyme disease or getting older and weight training my entire life . My knuckles hurt typing this . I am over weight now also , but I would like to train still but it hurts . Does anybody know of doctors who can determ
bonnevie9 9 months ago
WOW! Maybe this is because healthcare and drugs shouldn't be a profit market!
Well maybe... i'm confused....i think i'll wait that some people from these markets says what i have to think on tv. Nothing can go wrong when others thinks for you!!!
thepiuma 9 months ago
The bacterium is of the genus Borrelia, not the tick! The ticks are Ixodes, if memory serves. Details count if you're trying to make a scientific argument.
mofolee 9 months ago
intresting.
fallenempireoverdrve 9 months ago
Fascists used monopolies to help them seize power prior to World War II. They both share a "gang mentality."
httprover 9 months ago
My dad suffers from Chronic Lyme. I know exactly how it affects him. We watched that movie together. It is so sad how many doctors he has to go through in one year just to get treated. Thank you so much for posting thisi video. I hope it raises more awareness for chronic LD.
dunkengirl 9 months ago
Why is America so messed up? Thanks for bringing this to out attention. This leads me to wonder, how else are insurance companies abusing the good American people.
AshManXP 9 months ago
Look up "Healing Lyme Disease Naturally" by Dr. Wolf-Dieter Storl
SenatorGrimshaw 9 months ago
Late stage Lyme disease is awful. It leads to auto-immune diseases like arthritis and you will forever live in pain because there's no cure. When you treat it early, it can be eradicated with antibiotics. So, if you've spent time out in the woods and come back with a rash that looks like a bulls-eye, GO TO THE DOCTOR! I studied this disease in my Medical Microbiology class this Spring. It's awful, but it's also not fatal as she said.
Darksunshinerain87 9 months ago
Great video! This is the type of video you shine doing. It sounds like it is time to get that live organism patent process revamped so they can not do this. I have never had Lyme disease from what I understand it is no fun. I hope who ever you know who has or had it is better or getting better.
strawman007 9 months ago
If you're going to use statistics to support your claims please ensure they are indisputably correct! "6 too 12 fold" <- That's we actually don't have a fucking clue.
darkendelve 9 months ago
Colloidal silver, "works very well on all 3 types of Lyme Disease". Over in about a week. OR, "go to your doctor, & get tetracycline, 'where it will only get worse, until death'"... Mo $, mo $, mo $!!!
crlwllns 9 months ago
Let the ones that say it doesn't exist get the disease and see how long it takes them to change their mind. Another great article Lori, keep up the fight.
capman911 9 months ago
Hooray for having f-r-e-e health care, i suggest you move your ass to Canada (closest option)!
BigAndTall666 9 months ago
Its been awhile. Could you research the hell out of something positive?
CAlex6977 9 months ago
In the US, you get the health care you can afford. I guarantee that no wealthy person will ever have to worry about getting the proper course of treatment for chronic Lyme disease. But the middle class or the poor? Yeah about that... you just get to suffer and die. USA! USA! USA!
tetsubo57 9 months ago
@tetsubo57 A sick rich person will be screwed by the medicorps anyway. They will order massive numbers of unnecessary tests and charge as much as is humanly possible, in order to screw the most out of them, Unless the insurance company or the single payer system says "no that is completely unncessary and possibly dangerous"
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
@dangerouslytalented The truly wealth don't need health insurance. They can just pay out of pocket. I want to go to a single payer system of course. But I am apparently an Evil Socialist.
tetsubo57 9 months ago
@tetsubo57 I live in Australia and single payer is awesome. Even if you have health insurance, it all ends up much cheaper. Hell, even if you pay out of pocket it ends up cheaper.
In America, those who choose to pay out of pocket get ripped off, if you are rich, then the medicorps have you by the testicles.
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
@dangerouslytalented You are correct. Ask Wendell Potter about the U.S. "health" insurance industry. Take a look at WendellPotterdotcom for his blog. Let the rich fund their healthcare by what ever means they choose. Single payer is the only sane approach. They would soon see the folly of their choice and demand single payer. CheneyCare for all!!!
2000HocusPocus 9 months ago
How many know the meaning of "rescission" as it applies to health insurance? If not, become informed.
2000HocusPocus 9 months ago
The American taxpayer paid for the scientific infrastructure that has been translated into better healthcare. We all know who the parasites are in both society and nature. Educate yourself about the truth behind Big Pharma and the "health insurers" while you're well and before you need them.
2000HocusPocus 9 months ago
The World Health Organization WHO has the most accurate acronym for health. Silvio Berlusconi is famous among the media that dare think beyond the buddy system of murder as "genocide" and less known as profit from death by disease. He's the center piece of spirit channel CANNIBALISM. Dreams adjacent sleep are definitely spirit WiFi from "other". Trying to pass them off as only from within is absurd. How far would you go to be as close to omnipotent as you can get?
curesriches 9 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
It might have been a manufactured bug. There's stuff that is generally suppressed so that we don't know something and can be processed. The physics and even the lowered cities seem to say the earth is hollow with the same gravity on the inside surface. It just seemed to fly in my face one day. There is a useful technology that is better for energy use than what we use, that is completely abandoned & sequestered to outer surace... It's simple as making sure we don't throw away heat energy.
hypnofan35 9 months ago
@hypnofan35 There is no need to manufacture it. And the knowledge of genetics even these days is not enough to manufacture a whole new disease...
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
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TahraSonia 9 months ago
You just gotta love America. I feel sorry for average people living in a country THAT infected by corruption. You should have the same possibilities as those of us living in civilized countries have. makes for one hell of a difference in how secure you feel.
The american dream. You have to be asleep to believe it.
jo05dk 9 months ago
American healthcare system sucks. I'm glad I was born in Holland. Here they treat you for everything. Also in the US, because we're 100% international insured. But we're also obligated to pay 150 euro a month for that. That's 2570 $ a year. Bugger.
Brulluhman 9 months ago
TheResident is 100% correct. What if Watson and Crick had patented the structure of DNA and controlled the genetic code? Just as with the discovery of insulin by Banting and Best, "Glory Enough For All" is often denied. This is just one more example of the changes in science and medicine that began in the early 1980's.
2000HocusPocus 9 months ago
@2000HocusPocus Thanks! Excellent examples, too.
theresident 9 months ago
@2000HocusPocus The insuline was dicovered by the Romanian Nicolae Paulescu. I think the Canadians stole it from him.
McNistor 9 months ago
@McNistor Yes, others had made the connection at about the same time, but proof of principle awaited Banting and Best. We all "stand on the shoulders of others," and as Vonnegut said, "Just because you can read, write and do a little math, doesn't mean that you're entitled to conquer the universe." That could be extended to read Just because you can gain some small insight into the mysteries of life, doesn't mean that you're entitled to make unholy money off the sick.
2000HocusPocus 9 months ago
You are right. But no one hears you. Nothing is ever going to change.
DarkDennis1961 9 months ago
@DarkDennis1961 Yep. That's the truth. I'll still fight the good fight, even if I know it's a losing one, because what else is there to do?
theresident 9 months ago
@theresident You have a much better attitude than I do. I am with you.
DarkDennis1961 9 months ago
I can't help but think that this situatuion only exists in the US due to the fact that there is no government health care, health care providers, insureance companies and pharmicists can charge what they want because there is no government service to undercut them by providing free or subsidized healthcare.
colstreamer 9 months ago
The American health care system is like the American for-profit prison system.
They are deliberately keeping people sick (and possibly contagious) in order to extract massive profits.
dangerouslytalented 9 months ago
Fear of contracting Lyme disease may keep many away from the one cure for human madness-- Wilderness.
carefulcarpenter 9 months ago