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  • The entire device remembers me beeing a big "battery". The used materials and the katalysator seems to be replaced a lot of times. Copper and Zi. Intersting, and me really hopes this will work.

  • PART 3:

    And especially if you look at how the sites are constructed: below the actual "facts" (which they aren't, because they are not really proven by REAL scientists, and published in the renown science papers) you are invited to donate money and send it to as many people as possible...right, as if you need that if cold fusion were true.

    People, wake up and look at the facts. It's just a way to gain publicity and cheat people into paying for something that doesnt work.

  • @EldaEragon REAL scientists were Nikola Tesla, Walter Russell, Ed Leedskalnin, Dewey B Larson, Viktor Schauberger, Pier Luigi Ighina, John Keely, Henry Moray, Floyd Sweet, T.T. Brown, John Bedini, Marcel Vogel, Viktor Grebbenikov, Stan Meyers, Dr. Pallathadka Keshava Bhat, the pioneers of the Electric Universe Model, etc.

    Fake Psyentists include lamestream shills like Stephen Hawking, Einstein, Neils Bohr, Michio Kaka, and everyone you were indoctrinated with.

    Research both sides.

  • @TheRealVerbz2 And how do you define "real scientist"? For me,the definition is:a scientist, who is open-minded, but in the end only trusts evidence.

    And clearly in this case,Rossi does NOT provide enough evidence.He refuses to let other people analyse.If he lets only a small group analyse his device, it is NOT evidence, because there is no guarantee he pays them for saying "cold fusion is true". The point is, it has to be approven by the majority, and with facts. Not statements of 1 person or 2

  • @TheRealVerbz2 Until today, EVERY SINGLE EXPERIMENT approves of Einstein's theories. The same is true for other scientists you named (Niels Bohr only was partly right with his model of the atom, but he was a very important scientist who made advances in physics possible with the idea of discrete energy levels).

    And what do YOU call real scientists? I call people that when they produce new theories, which can predict effects that can then be measured and also can be supported by experiments.

  • @TheRealVerbz2 You know what, the einstein that we know today is more like a super hybrid of who he actually was.

  • @macrplus Einstein had some great quotes. But while he was inventing theories and building a refrigerator, Tesla & Walter Russell were validating their ideas through practical experiments & showing how fallacious Einstein's theories were.

    People hold Einstein on such an infallible pedestal they refuse to acknowledge any research over the last 150 years that contradict or disprove his theories.

    Mainstream Science has become Psyence. A tradition of ignorance and illusions of observation.

  • PART 1:

    I am shocked how convinced so many people are that cold fusion is actually working.

    Just look at how few information he's prodividing, it screams of another attempt to sell something impossible.

    It is also funny how he said he doesn't know how the devices works, doesn't quite fit with how "the best scientists" worked for cold fusion as said in the video (if you believe the video for one second).

    Or look at the "proofs", like this link:

  • @EldaEragon It IS working. While pseudo-skeptics such as yourself refuse to acknowledge the available information.. Rossi's ECAT is already powering buildings.

    Let the results speak for themselves over time.

    They work... you talk. Period.

    Cold Fusion has been a reality for decades. YOU need to wake up and look at the facts.

    Look into Dr. Eugene Mallove.

  • @EldaEragon Damn, as soon as I saw 21 likes vs 2 dislikes, I suspected it must be a scam. People are so naive those days! We have real science to decide vs. truth and falsehood, learn how it works, you probably haven't been taught that at school. Anybody repeated his results independently ? If not, than you know what it means...

  • @dynamikausa Woow! You have such a scientific method of analyzing the content of videos. You saw the ratio of likes verses dislikes and that just summed it all up for you eh?

    Yes, his results have been independently verified.

    See the information in the video description and read the comments by Jed Rothwell in the link to the forum.

    While people whine and debate the validity... Rossi's ECAT is already powering buildings.

    Results speak for themselves. Time will continue to tell.

  • @TheRealVerbz2 And how do you THINK you know (you DON'T know) that it is actually working? You based your opinion upon unreliable sources, and you don't even realise they are unreliable and unscientific.

    He can just power the building with a fuel cell or another common power source and CLAIM to use cold fusion.

    His results are NOT verified, a small group of people claims that. Verified means the MAJORITY approves of it, not a small group. Because you can easily influence a small group

  • @EldaEragon Verified means it works. not that the majority approves it. That's mob mentality.

    Typical pseudo-skeptic and internet's peanut gallery.

    Time will continue to prove Rossi correct.

    Proof comes in many stages, not just an end result approved by mainstream.

    "If you find from your own experience that something is a fact and it contradicts what some authority has written down, then you must abandon the authority and base your reasoning on your own findings" - Leonardo da Vinci

  • @TheRealVerbz2 No.Thats nonsense.Verified means,it can not only be repeated by one or two but by every scientist.And if only a handful claims it is true - well,every other scientist who tried could not repeat the results claimed by Rossi.Which means Rossi paid the handful to CLAIM it is true.

    You're right,time will tell - tell if it's true or not.It is extremely probable that he is wrong,if not he will have to PROVE it. As of now, there is NO proof. And there is no such thing as stages of proof.

  • @TheRealVerbz2 And yes, if you YOURSELF keep repeating an experiment and see the same results over and over, YOU are to assume you are right, and the current theorie is false.

    Then comes the most important step: you tell OTHER scientists what you found, they repeat the experiment and they conclude the same thing as you - THEN it is proven. Until then, it is only a hypothesis. Nothing hard, no fact, just a hypothesis.

    And Rossi did NOT give other scientists the chance to repeat the experiment.

  • @TheRealVerbz2 Please do not twist my meaning if you want any meaningful discussion. I wrote I suspected not that I made up my mind on that little fact alone! Results (or lack of thereof) always speak for themselves, couldn't agree more. Greetings!

  • @dynamikausa Exactly,we need science and scientific proof to support his claim, that cold fusion works.And if the people would search for it,and learn to think critically, they would see instantly that Rossi does neither provide solid evidence, nor allows other scientists to repeat the exact same experiment to prove that his device really works.

    And yes, scepticism is not only allowed but even NECESSARY concerning "breakthroughs" to make sure it is not just a scam (as last time with cold fusion)

  • He just tested a generator that supposedly produced 470MWH and ran for 5.5 hours. An unknown/anonymous investor was aparently satisfied and paid up (like we haven't seen snake oil salesmen salt the crowd with fake buyers). The investor was the only one allowed to view the generator continuously, reporters were only allowed a few minutes each to walk through the area in a roped off path.

    Yeah, no red flags there :o/

  • @junekentucky You're right!! NO red flags there!!

    Once again, Rossi has shut down the skeptics and pseudo-skeptics.

    People were allowed to go in 2 people at a time and view the set up and film everything.

    Look at PESN,com for updates and details.

    Would YOU want some associated press touching your 1 Megawatt Cold Fusion devices? Hell no.

    It's good that it's roped off.

    If that's your debate against the validity of the technology then sit your ass down and whine somewhere else.

    Buh Bye.

  • I have seen on PESWiki Rossi and Defkalion have divorced for financial reasons.

    Defkalion announced the Hyperion using melted salt, not boiling water.

    Rossi claims ownership of the invention. Of course, if he has invented this and if it works then he deserves the honor and a lot of money.

    However, this contradicts everything that was said before. They all are lying somewhat, only words, no hardware presented.

  • @hpeterh 6 OCTOBER 2011: you will see soon

  • I have read almost anything abou it. There is nothing new. In this demonstration in italian language they claim 17 l Water per hour. Such amounts of steam are not harmless. 17l/h Water evaluates to 8 liter dry steam per second. The expansin factor for saturated steam at air pressure is 1700. Easy to calculate: (17I/(3600s)*1700 = 8l/s) I dont hear any noise. I dont see security precautions for steam. So what? If this are scientists are they blindfolded?

  • @hpeterh You just contradicted yourself there. If you have read "almost anything" about it... then you'd know there is Plenty New! haha

    You haven't read the All available information and it shows.

    It's already in practical use. Speculate all you want.

    I think You are blindfolded for not acknowledging the validity when many well known professionals have already acknowledged it.

    Each to their own.

  • @TheRealVerbz2

    Yes please post me a link, I want to see it. I searched the web for hours and readed everything and calulated energy and steam volume to see if it is true.

    I dont say it doesnt work. I just say it cannot currently deliver 10 kW as steam.

    It is an experimental device and if it is selfrunning and delivers only 10 watt and this scientifically proven, it would be a great discovery and worth a nobel price, and efficiency could be increased by serious research and development.

  • People often criticize that publication by press conference is a bad thing. Hmm .. OK when the Wright Brothers flew, they did public demonstrations. I don't seem to recall them publishing any papers first to convince critics. So is publication by public demonstration all that bad, particularly when something is so contrary to expected beliefs and it most likely won't be published by doubting editors of journals?

  • I am just waiting for them to release the secret catalyst. TheRealVerbz, do you have any opinion on what it is?

  • @Anothercoilgun The catalyst is an industrial secret that won't be released, from what I understand. (Much like John Searl's magnetization process).

    I don't know if it's a single gas, material, liquid or if it's a combination of compounds.

    What we Can do is compare the information from Rossi to the work of Walter Russell, John Keely and Peir Ighina who all seem to have Very different perspectives on "atoms" and their dynamics.

    If we studied that.. we could figure out the catalyst and a lot more.

  • @Anothercoilgun

    The secret catalyst is salt or boron in water. This increases the boiling point and leads to false conclusions.

    They measure the water, not the steam. The other secret catalyst is refusal of doublechecking and discussion of measurement methods and possible error sources and infinite believe in Rossis abilities.

  • @hpeterh You'd be the ONLY one to know that secret catalyst other than Rossi himself. How did you come to that conclusion? Did you somehow get that answer directly from the source unlike All the professionals? I find that unlikely.

    The fact is... while you whine and complain about the validity of the technology, Rossi's ECAT is Already powering buildings and has passed Numerous peer reviews, double, triple and quadruple checks, etc.

    Please consult the information in the description..

  • @TheRealVerbz2

    Yes, I dont know the catalyst ;-) This was meant as irony ;-)

    Another irony: When the Brothers Wright claimed they did fly they where laughed at. Now they had a plane and proved it and made the sceptics quiet. They did not build an armada, they did not sell planes at this point.

    Mr. Rossi has the e-cat but has never really shown the energy, he only claims it and calculates it.

    He builds an 1MW armada and sells it. Thats a difference.

  • @hpeterh That's not accurate at all to say "he's never shown the energy." There have been MULTIPLE tests with some of the world's leading "professionals and experts." They tested the water And the steam and more.

    Look into the forums, updates, documentation, etc.

    All the information is there and is still piling up.

    Click the first link in the description and read the comments / posts in the forum by Jed Rothwell.

  • @TheRealVerbz2

    Now the truth is, he has not shown the energy to me. It would be easy to show this nowadays. I want to see a convincing amount of steam that melts a block of ice or heats a bathtub of water.

    The swedish professors did only see an enhanced temperature derivative at 60 centigrade. This is easily explained by hydrogen diffusing into nickel which is not abnormal. If they had seen more, then they had reported more. Their report is friendly, because they where treated friendly.

  • @hpeterh I'm glad you specified that he hasn't shown the energy "to you." Because he has shown the energy to countless others who have reported it. (See information in description)

    The Sweedish Skeptic Society is anything but friendly.

    They ridiculed it back in 1989 and until January 14, 2011, they still ridiculed it.

    Now.... not so much ridicule because they see validity and practical experimentation in front of them time and time again.

    His device is Already powering over 140 buildings.

  • @TheRealVerbz2

    From where do we know this reports are true? These people might have seen the villages of potemkin.

    We need first hand experience and convincing documentation.

    It might be a case of hypnosis or self hypnosis without any reality. (I believe this is possible)

    Visible proofs are possible with this. (This was very difficult at 1900, but now is 2011).

    These must be connected with known persons who confirm it, so we know, it is true and not faked.

    Melt an iceblock with steam ;-)

  • @hpeterh Why won't you read the articles and posts?

    There ARE well known persons confirming it. Some of the leading professionals in the field. All the documentation and reports are available.

    (See information in description...)

    Read the posts by Jed Rothwell... all of them.

    renewableenergyworld,com/rea/b­log/post/2011/05/swedish-skept­ics-confirm-nuclear-process-in­-tiny-4-7-kw-reactor

    There's skepticism and pseudo-skepticism. The skeptics are pleased with the available information.

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  • @gbilios Look up ECAT.com

    I'm not sure who is using the technology because it's confidential between Rossi and the customer at this stage, but speculation is that it might be DARPA.

    Also check PESN.com for the updates.

    :o)

  • @TheRealVerbz2 Defkalion is mass producing their Hyperion product soon.

  • as long as it doesnt have anything to do with nuclear power, i will be happy! with fukushima, and the other three nuclear power plants in danger in the usa and mexico, should be a wake up call for the world!! nuclear power should be banned! there are clean ways to make energy, why not invest in that?

  • @Julia Agreed!

    Look into Walter Russell's book called "Atomic Suicide". Russell wanted to ban nuclear technology back in the 1920s even before it was introduced.

    My mentor Professor John Searl developed the SEG back in the 40's and 50's which renders all current forms of conventional technology obsolete.

    Tesla, Tom Bearden, Bedini, Stan Meyers, etc. All of them have the answers.

    But you get what you pay for.

    And you pay for what you want.

    The world pays for gas, oil, nukes and company bailouts.

  • @TheRealVerbz2, i think people are re thinking! nuclear power is'nt so appealing these days!

  • @Julia76087 It's quite possible to build safe nuclear plants (like those molten salt thorium reactors), plants built using the old approach are still quite dangerous though

  • @TiagoTiagoT I feel that ANY nuclear technology is obsolete and dangerous.

    Look into Walter Russell's book called "Atomic Suicide."

    There is no such thing as "clean" coal and no such thing as "safe" nuclear.

    Why go through all that trouble and spend billions of dollars, when we could spend a few million and live free, without reactors, without risk and without radiation.

    The molten salt thorium is a lesser of 2 evils.

    Magnetism is the ultimate way to go.... but the world gets what it pays for.

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