The Church and Healing After Abortion Part 4

[jesusisbIing]

Mary Ives, Abortion Death

Mary Ives was 28 when she had an abortion 19 weeks into her pregnancy.

She was admitted to W.W. Backus Hospital in Norwich, Connecticut, for treatment of complications of the abortion, but her heart and lungs failed due to amniotic fluid embolism.

[icimblind]

VM You are probably too young to understand this but it is called being responsible, MOTHERHOOD, FATHERHOOD! You don't want to have kids don't get pregnant. After you become pregnant it's a LIFE, YOUR CHILD. Don't kill YOUR CHILD just because YOU don't want to be pregnant!!! This is BARBARIC, SELFISH and UNCIVILIZED!!!"

[vmcparlin]

Ici - you assume a lot my dear. Posting in caps doesnt make your silly rant convincing.

In what way whatsoever, is it responsible to bring millions of unwanted kids into the world each year no one wants, no one will care for or pay for, just becasue of your sentimental, uncivilised, barbaric, selfish notions?

The world isnt going to abstain on your say so. Contraception isnt 100% effective. Shit happens. Theres no obligation or law forcing women to keep unwanted pregnancies. Suck it up.

[icimblind]

If you don't want kids then be responsible and don't have kids. Just labeling people unwanted is not going to stop them from coming into this world, it happens every day. The mature people (parents) take responsibility for their actions. You are not mature nor logical. Again, according to your "logic" , did you ask your mom why she was NOT civilized and aborted you? This is your warped, barbaric, logic! Now stop bothering me. You have enough -6-6-6 on your posts. Now grow up!

[51cha]

keep up the good work fr, you are the best man in america ,cause you are not afraid to speak the truth

[Xcesschick]

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[Tac1981]

keep up the good work ty i dont need to be preached to to know abortion is murder and wrong you rock

[healthnbeauty1]

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!

[icimblind]

For all those pro-choice people out there I have one question. If a abortion is such a wonderful thing and just another medical "proceedure", why are there so many post abortion counseling groups??? Google it and you will see the number is almost unending!!!

[FrFreakyPhobicFrank]

The sites that you speak of are Catholic like me. They are used to induce guilt so you donate more $ to church on Sunday

[vmcparlin]

Ici - there are groups for everything going!

Cancer, autism, HIV, cystic fibrosis, insect stings, eating disorders, bladder function, insomnia, dancing eye syndrome, fibroids, post-natal depression, birthmarks, hairloss, scars, eczema, albinism, herpes, nail patella, circulation, birth trauma, ectopic pregnancy, deafness, tinnitus, phobias, organ donation, stress, depression, acid reflux etc. etc.

Hell, theres even a latex allergy support group!

So what was your point again?

[icimblind]

What you've named are all negative things,

so what is your point?

And that is my point!

[vmcparlin]

All negative things? Anything medical is a negative thing? Thats it? Thats your point?

Post-natal depression, ectopic pregnancy, episiostomies, fistulas, back pain, pelvic pain, strained ligaments, aching muscles, spinal injury, gestational diabetes, weakened stomach muscles, a ruined pelvic floor, sore breasts, mastitis, incontinence, hormonal changes, bowel problems, prolapse & stillbirth are all 'negative' things too- so by your reasoning, we should stop women from having babies full stop?

[icimblind]

No I never said "anything" medical was negative. You tried to equate some negative discomforts with murder. Shame on you! You're not looking for the truth. One doesn't need counseling for all those things that you've listed. There is nothing positive about abortion. The goal is to kill a living human being. If you don't get this then look at the trail of destruction it is leaving on people all over the world. That trail is long and wide.

[vmcparlin]

Ic - Shame on me? Ho ho ho, shame on you for pretending I am distorting your words!

You - why are there support groups for abortion? Me - theres support groups for everything You - all those things are negative (clear implication that abortion must therefore be negative) Me - theres many issues that come with pregnancy & childbirth you could call negative too. So by your reasoning we should outlaw pregnancy as well as abortion You - boohoo! The nasty pro-choicer is picking on me!

[vmcparlin]

You DID in fact say that all those medical issues were negative things just 4 posts above this!

Ive already found the truth, it seems its YOU who is lacking.

You dont think people with HIV, depression, eating disorders, cancer etc get counselling? Pull your head out of the sand!

Abortions goal = to end a pregnancy. It isnt a personal vendetta or hatred of embryos. The woman doesnt want to continue to be pregnant & thank goodness we live in a civilsed country where she isnt forced to be.

[icimblind]

Yeah I did say they were negative things, but I did Not say you need counseling for every negative discomfort. That's your line of warped thinking. Was your mother civilized when she had you? Or according to your logic, should she have put you in the trash like you want to do the babies of women who elect to kill their children? Remember now this what you believe, it's civilized! Ask your mom why she wasn't "civilized" and abort?Now grow up and rethink why you like promoting killing babies.

[vmcparlin]

Ic - oh dear, why cant pro-liars ever be honest?

There are manyparent support groups and many adoption support groups and there are many abortion support groups. Yet you dishonestly single out abortion..

Aborted foeti arent 'put in the trash' by the way.

I think killing babies is vile and disgusting.

Abortion isnt killing babies by the way.

I dont understand why youre now banging on about being 'civilized'. Whats civilized about forcing women to produce kids they dont want??

[icimblind]

I am going to pray for you.

You wrote, "What's civilized about forcing women to produce kids they don't want"??

Answer, EVERYTHING!, btw if the mother is not killing an unborn baby, how can she produce kids??? Do you see how the lies make you blind. Good bye VM!

[vmcparlin]

Ic - go for it! Praying is just talking to your imaginary friend so it cant do much harm.

WTF? You think its CIVILIZED to force women to be pregnant against our will & produce kids we dont want? Good grief!! Id call that the opposite of civilised! Its BARBARIC!!!! Would you still think its civilized if I forced you to do it? Course not, but youd pretend it was fine rather than admit the truth.

Yes, the pro-life lies have made you blind.. Become pro-choice! The truth will set you free! :-D

[icimblind]

VM You are probably too young to understand this but it is called being responsible, MOTHERHOOD, FATHERHOOD! You don't want to have kids don't get pregnant. After you become pregnant it's a LIFE, YOUR CHILD. Don't kill YOUR CHILD just because YOU don't want to be pregnant!!! This is BARBARIC, SELFISH and UNCIVILIZED!!!

[vmcparlin]

Ic- yeah as an adult woman who has worked in the health sector 15 years I must be a silly little kid who doesnt 'understand' why its ok to force women to have kids against their will!!! I bow down to your superior knowledge!!

XD

How utterly irresponsible to pop out millions of kids youve no intention of raising or paying for?? INCREDIBLY selfish & irresponsible! Abortion is taking responsiblity, not sidestepping it.

Embryos arent babies or children & its MY decision to keep it or not!

[AtheistFromHell4]

What's civilized about burning a fetus to death with saline or ripping it apart with surgical instruments. What we do to babies today is alot like what the Nazis did to jews during world war 2.

[vmcparlin]

Have you bothered researching your topic before posting Ath? Clearly not, you seem to be accepting old pro-lie propaganda at face value. Saline abortions are no longer performed. Also, its embryo, not baby (and less commonly, foetus).

And I KNOW youre desperate for an argument if youre trying to compare my legal right to a safe medical procedure should I choose one, to psychopath Hitler's treatment of born Jewish individuals during wartime. Desperate.

[AtheistFromHell4]

Ultimately the goal of the anti life movement is the same as Hitler - to purge the world of unwanted races. However, there are some small differences. Anti lifers kill black people with saline and medical instruments in abortion clinics. Hitler killed jews with toxic gas and ovens in death camps. Burning a jew alive is just as safe a medical procedure for the SS guard standing next to the oven as is abortion for a mother killing her unborn baby.

[Thetruuth1]

Hey I couldn't agree more... There are nazi liberal lunatics also. Just check out vmcparlin's channel. If he is not a lunatic no one is! Strange dude!!

[mammyoriordan]

This is not something that pro-choice people want to look at. It's only common sense that there will be grief and guilt which cannot be ignored. An organization that recognizes that fact, is a great gift to people who have had an abortion. Thank you Fr. Pavone and all at Rachel's Vineyard - love in action. - Blessings - Rene

[MintyChicky]

you are so right.. thanks so much for the upload