you should be a Sensi for this sort of subject, its good to see intelligent dragons about instead of stupid ones that think they are higher than everyone else, knowledge is a fine tool, use it well... I think I might be mimicking what you say... as for the rest of people who read this, a you have to learn how to use such a tool correctly, keep your eyes open, head up who knows what you can find...
PS. I'm only 16, before you judge think of it this way, longer to learn new things
@shoyruki Heh no worries on the age thing. I have often found that while age can sometimes come with wisdom, it is not often that wisdom comes from age. There's many an old person who still has the emotional faculties of a child, and also many a child with unusual wisdom and perception.
Thanks for the compliments, and I hope that if you have questions or ideas you'll pop them over! I may have not made a video in a -really- long time, but i am still working on it. ^_^
@redemption136 Wow... seriously. your words of wisdom and insight are truely a grand inspiration to us all! Oh, however do you manage such humor and whit while still being near prophetic in your genious?
Seriously. years of flame wars and this is the best you can come up with? How sad.
@redemption136 firstly LOL? why do you talk like such an idiot, im sorry for sounding like a troll towards a human like you, but still i find it comical that you think such stupid comments suit otherkin, I my self think im a lung dragon finding my wings, I dont see the reason behind your trolling, are you too stupid to take in such a concept? do you think your hard slabbering to people who are obviously more intelligent than you are, simple minded people like you are what bring about human hate.
@SukottoDeragon Well, I play a smart person on youtube anyways. Still, thanks for the compliments! It makes my ego swell. ...Wait my ego isn't in my pants?! umm... *blushes*
yeah, I've been awake for FAR too long. That seemed funny at the time. ¬_¬
@aldristatsu Thank you very much! I just wish that the videos i responded to didn't get all corrupted. He actually had some very good points and a great sense of humor. ... Maybe if enough people started sending him pm's he'd reupload them or something? *ponders*
simply because you like to assume your an animal makes you as bad as a furry
hell even i could be considered a furry, even though i don't consider Skwerl as my "real and true appearance" i could be considered that way, although i don't like to think so
it takes a massive amount of energy to make life and to reshape it so there is an easy way and i actually think im more intact with my dragon side than my human.
i think this becaus when i get pissed off these thins that look like scales appear under my skin on my arms and chest and they hurt like hell
then you're just a fucked up flipper baby, i could try and put up an educated argument with you but you'll just shoot it down with the "but i feel it" response, and don't think you won't coz you've already done it twice
considering there are no accounts of these "otherkin", and i'll take this back if you can bring it up, recorded by some sort of institution such as a science based one, than you win,
i'm not going to leave it to faith like my religion i don't like to be considered an ignorant troll, i like to be an informed troll,
but to most people, the concept of furries and pretending one is a dragon will bring on the trolling, and this is not because these people "are different", but it brings the idea to people that see furries and so on as rather childish, mostly for the fact that they are believeing they are random animals, i did that as a kid too
as a side note, i never watched the full video, and regardless of how well put forth your point is, i just don't feel its nec
Well, mainly because there is always opportunity for someone to learn something. Even if it isn't the person you intended. Also ignorance only lasts so long as we allow it to.
My love for Dragons is extremely deep, deep enough I can feel them all over me. But I do mean them and not me, as in I belive they existed here on earth but we simply are not worthy of being in there company anymore on earth. This "KIN" this I have been researching seems to lead to scientific comparisons (through the way you feel). A creature at such a high level of majesty is not prooved by science anymore then God can be. I guess I am at a much higher level with dragons then all these "KINS"
So... you *do* acknowledge that you're making all of this up as you go along, that there is absolutely no objective data that should lead anyone to believe that 1.) there used to be dragons, 2.) these dragons were sentient and had a rich, full culture that somehow has gone totally undiscovered by archaeologists, and 3.) that one of those dragons now lives inside you and makes you better than most of the people around you.
Well, actually, I'm just saying that we're still trying to figure things out rather than suffering from the arrogance of assuming ultimate knowledge of the nature of the universe.
Oh, and I don't have a dragon in me, that would require having more than one soul. You should be more careful with your word choice there.
Besides it isn't this draconic quality of mine that makes me better than you. In fact, in the grand scheme of things it means almost nothing other than that it is something I learned about myself.
No, what makes me better than you is that I actively try to be a better person on a daily basis. Draconity not required.
So... you *do* suffer a psychological condition that has you laboring under the misapprehension that you are a fictional being? Or are you knowingly and willfully engaging in a form of fantasy, making up the rules as you go along and simply couching the whole affair in a guise of thoughtful exploration as part of the game you know you're playing with yourself?
Since you acknowledge that, as an Otherkin, you get to pick-and-choose from other religions as you wish, I assume it is the latter.
Wow. That sure is a whole lot of pretty words to ask a simple question. Tell me. Were you trying to impress me, or was it just a futile attempt to confuse?
Truth be told over the last while I have been realising that most if not all of my spiritual discoveries have had little to no sourcing in Draconity directly. (Yes folks that's a concession you just heard!) It has become much more of a frame to put the big picture in rather than the whole of the picture itself. ...
In short, my Draconity has nothing to do with my choice of spirituality (Namely that salad-bar approach). And nor does it influence the method of how I go about gaining knowledge other than as it relates to myself directly. (Predispositions, etc etc)
I guess you could refer to it as my spiritual frame of reference.
In the future, I'll be sure to clear all words with you before I use them, if only to keep you from mistaking my arguments as a pick-up line.
Also, thank you for the hostility. I look forward to hearing how passive-aggressively you can phrase your answer to my next question, distilled (per your request) to its simplest form:
there can be proof i just need the amount of energy a supernova creats to split the soul from the body and shape the body to suit the soul aka i need around 50 nuclear generators
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I just wish that Taka's videos were still watchable. Not only so people can see both sides of the arguement but also because he did a damn good job of it. He is one of the few trolls that I have come to respect.
It is indeed. And, of course, for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes a person simply does not want to be whatever it is that they are, and so fight with themselves for a variety of reasons from ego and vanity to fear. You know; "But Who the hell would want to be a boring old robin?!" or "But snakes are evil and sinister, and evil. Being one would make me evil too!" (Which, of course, wouldn't be true but you get the idea.)
As i was going to say before I ran out of room, Hell I've been at this for eight years and I still don't have a clue why I see my feathers as feathered the way they are. While I have an understanding of their symbology I don't really know what it comes from. I've since resolved myself to that part not being of great consequence though.
Out of curiosity do you have any images or pieces of images that come to mind, or is it a general feeling of being something other than human but unspecific?
No images just a strong feeling...or maybe I'm just a very different human. The worst would be if I were an otherkin species that nobody has heard about.
From them I get to know more, contemplate reality. While you have been the product of an unproductive parcel of my time, like reading the pages of the same bedtime novel for the 56th time.
How can you be guided by a dragon when you don't even have the knowledge to seek the facts behind words?
How can you have an eagle totem when you're so short sighted, coincidently it doesn't apply metaphorically as well? Having this discussion with you has been so far, as constructive as whacking a bag of dogs against concrete. Dude, I look forward to meeting people who truly have totems and spr guides but you aren't one of them unfortunately.
I'm talking about the whole concept in general, seeing as you kept on refering the whole thing to yourself I gave you a window of expression by asking about you, but your only answers were as shallow as puddles.
Quote 'So. Do you want to try again?' You aren't keen to learn, you see this as offensive material and want to rebute it. This whole thing is being thrown offcourse, I see how people like you delude yourself into the 'holier than thou' mindset by throwing nonsense as rebuttals.
It's not an explanation while you constantly bug me to explain further and further on a concept I display that is so simple, posing more questions to me and straying from the main issue. From the way you even attempt to make your points, focusing on technicality and refusal to LOOK AROUND rather than focus on just yourself. The point of this is not to make you look good, but your intent seems to be about the overmentioned 'me'.
The point of this argument is not to pick on the way words are phrased, it's about their meaning. It's all about sex, it's my stand for being the basis of this attitude towards the topic. But it seems, you have done NOTHING to disprove it. That short paragraph on 'self improvement' and all that junk, dude I see phrases like that everywhere in things like coaching videos, dealing with depression clips.
As far as making videos to argue 9See debate) points with others, My intention was to try and show that there are those of us who try to act in a reasonably interrligent fasion. And in case you haven't discovered this I did so with Takamizuna. I managed to garner his respect, and both of us came to new information through the discussion as brief as it was. However if I was doing this for my own aggrandisement then you would think that I would be initiating these debates not merely responding.
As a more direct statement to you, how am I trying to make a display with you when you are the one who initiated the conversation, and you are the one who is stubbornly trying to stick to a point that was rendered moot a long time ago just to try and force the issue until you can 'be right'. Once again you only attack yourself.
That also reflects on your own attitude for debate. A statement like 'It's all for sex' is not a question, or a search for more understanding, and it certainly doesn't facilitate learning so once again you violate your own standard.
As for the questions about the shaman and your other challenge; He was Cree. And yes I agree that different tribes associate different meanings towards the varying animal totems.
Though the more you research into it the more you see how they still have considerable overlap. However seeing as I have not ever said that it was my totem that guided me this is, again, a moot point. I do not act like an eagle, Though out of curiosity what was it exactly that you wanted me to share? The details of what eagle symbolises to me?
And I agree that the cliches are out there. However that does not change the fact that you are making an assumption based on a stereotype and still trying to associate the overall group with a single individual. Just because an individual is a part of a certain group it doesn't mean he automatically shares in all of the most negative perceptions just because you say so.
If the focus of the conversation was about the group/subculture known as otherkin then this would be a very different discussion as I freely admit there are a lot of wankers out there. However we are not. We are referring to a single individual within that group (myself) Who has his own mind and freely takes from the culture as he will. Which means it is open to both positive and negative concepts- some being cliche and some not.
I forgot to add that if this was for my own aggrandisement that then I would also have been unable to let go of the discussion let alone any points he made that defeated mine. Which, if you watched the followup videos, I did indeed do. Not only did I define final statements I also made concessions to his counters.
You want recognition from society for such a subject, alongside imposing qualities from your supposed spr guide onto yourself, it's ALL ABOUT sex. Spent an hour typing all this trying to put it in simpler words how this all connects, but with each post of yours you seem to disregard my words even more at the main points. Debates over the internet can only be done by people who seek understanding and learning, not with someone who just claims things about themselves to try and win a point.
The reason why I disregard the bulk of what you say is because it has been a repetition of your original statement with a fancy form of 'because I say so' attached to it on the end.
I am glad that this most recent one is at least a little more explanatory to the source of your opinions. Being by my perspective a generally pessimistic set of assumptions. (For you still have yet to prove that you are acting on anything else.)
As far as your trying to put my personal details to question, let's answer that shall we?
My name is spiritrunner. Yes. it is a name I chose much like how many other people choose a nickname while online. Including you. (Oh mister kettle...) However it is a name that was inspired to me by the experience of my awakening (Which is detailed in another video.) I did not choose it because I thought that people would like it. I chose it because it has personal meaning. Nothing more or less.
Then you aren't being guided, nor are you it, you are just kidding yourself.
Look at your username, your videos trying to argue with others about the topic. Just look at your own attempts to display for others that you have some sort of connections to these things, the point? To say it is to provide others with a further understanding is a lie, a nice decorated mask in which to hide ulterior motives.
Varying tribes have varying sets of animals, it's not uniform. In description especially, want to share with the rest of youtube? Let the panel, critic.
Still I did not say you acting self deserving or so on you rambled about up there, read my posts again. You may have, I wouldn't know. But know this, (I meant totem up there, not spr guide) if you act out of your true personality and claim it the works of some metaphysical animal.
There are way too many coincidences around, you can claim you are genuine but so do others. Look around, how many people have things other than lynxes, tigers, wolves, birds of prey? It's always cliche, it's always these same animals. Now the odds are against you being one of them, hey they can claim it's coincidental too. But we all know the truth, also which tribe is the shaman from who said you had that spr guide?
, whose choice has made it clear that it's just a social image you want to make for yourself. For the first paragraph of my previous response, it is evidence. I find it simple to understand, it's just about refering then comparing and drawing connotations. In this case, of an animal and a human being. Which isn't too far off from what you are trying to do here, if it truly is a spr guide then you won't get to choose. It's about the sex, better advertisment for sex.
Well said, but unfortunately you are now making assumptions about my character. Namely making negative ones. So allow me to share a little information to correct them.
There are many different totems, not just predatory ones. There are rabbit and squirrel and turtle and mouse and, well, pretty much any animal you can think of. As far as my totem being a 'predatory' animal, that is actually coincidental.
I did not choose my totem. I was told my totem by a shaman. Yes, a genuine Native american medicine man. Rendering you 'did it for the cool factor' statement moot.
Just because someone has a totem that happens to also be popular among fakers and wishers does not automatically make that individual a member of that group. I have been trying to express this to you for some time with apparently no effect as you refuse to accept this basic truth of fallacious assumption.
As for what makes my spirit guide a dragon, it's just that he's a dragon. it is the shape he takes when I see him. It is how I translate the sensations I get of his energy and presence and overall nature.
As far as backing the claim that is impossible. Obviously there is no way to snap a picture or make a plaster cast of a foot print. It is an experiential thing. As such we will be left at an impasse with that one unfortunately.
However, assuming you have done some research into my personality and nature- by watching my other videos and reading the sorts of comments I make- you would see that I do not consider the form to be superior in any way to any other form.
In fact i repeatedly tell people how Humans have the exact same potential as even Dragons.
And that I know several people who far surpass me in levels of physical ability (D'uh), mental prowess, and spiritual knowledge, even with skill in energy working and healing. In no way have I EVER tried to express that I was superior to anyone. Which any logical person would concede lends credence to my using this as a spiritual medium rather than for self gain. I just don't run around yelling "Aren't I great?!" And I have acted against such behavior in others.
What I am submitting to you, is that I am one of those true and honest spiritual seekers, and that you have mistakenly assumed I am out for myself simply because of a few stereotypes that I happen to fill. There is such a thing as coincidence even among social behaviors.
That is unless you can tell me (And quote please) Where I have told others I was superior or more deserving or otherwise acted in a self rhiteous and/or arrogant manner befitting the labels you are trying to place on me.
In other words, how exactly have I 'made it clear' that this is a choice I made in order to gain some sort of social status? What exactly have I said? How exactly have I behaved? Give me solid factual examples please.
What makes you spr guide a dragon, what do you have to back that claim up? Again, what makes your totem an eagle, what evidence do you have of it? In the end, it all boils down to the truth. People will just use these things to boast of characteristics they may or may not have, your tendences aren't because of some dragon entity. It's simply because you want people to see you that way, therefore you choose to act like that. Again there are true and honest people with guides out there but for you
Look around, look at the guides you claim to have. It's always somesort of predatorial animal exhibiting qualities people want, if it truly were a more spiritual and unbiased subject people would have things like rabbits or geckos. But it is always the ones who advertise themselves with the 'cool' animal, this is a new point I'm adding on to my other statements. There are people who truly have these things, but as for you and so on. I'm thinking it's ALL ABOUT SEX, since you choose.
However, just because something is true for the majority, it is well advised to explore that opportunity for any individual you encounter. Especially because this is a very subjective field of belief. Hell ask someone to describe the personality of a dragon to you and each person will give you a different story. Some would say they are about strength, power, and being superior to everything. Others would describe them as beings of wisdom and teaching. Or protectors. And the list goes on.
Oh and the pun was not intentional either. I was asking you to back up your statements with genuine information that applied DIRECTLY to me as an individual as it applied to the statements you are trying to prove. So far you are saying a lot without doing very much to back it up.
As for my spirit guide (Which I am assuming you meant), he is a dragon named Drokaal.
My totem (In case you really did mean totem) is Eagle.
Oh! This led me to a moment of epiphany though (Thanks!) In recognising something that separates spirit guides from totems.
A spirit guide is a specific individual being, who teaches you specific lessons while a Totem is more of an archtype.
For example a totem could be fox. Which doesn't mean you have -A- fox following you around and teaching you, just that foxes in general are a source of lessons about yourself through their behaviors, habits, strengths and weaknesses.
Where did I mention people who truly have totemic guides behaving like animals, read the bracket's meaning.
When someone implies a hint that they behave animalistically, they garner contemplation that they may possess further attributes to that same persona to another individual. This is strange and disgusting to most but people who belong to the same cohort as them could think otherwise, I suppose.
It's in the connotations, the stereotypes and the psychological subtleties. It's ABOUT SEX.
Hmm... you may want to try taying that again. The first line of your second paragraph doesn't make much sense.
...And you still haven't explained how it's about sex. What connotations, what psychological subtleties (And please use examples of how they apply to me. really I want to see what you can psychoanalise about me). As for Stereotypes, they are just that. generalisations that have no application whatsoever on an individual basis.
When someone says another person has 'animal magnetism', the comparison is made between a critter and a human being. Refering to a human lacking desirable traits (not to all people) that can be derived from a wild counterpart, this is a fine example of reference connotations. Now, broadcasting you have a totem animal which explains your behaviour is expecting others to link supposed traits from that critter to you. Generalizations have a dramatic impact on individual basis, it's the core.
I'm not sure how your first paragraph applies to the conversation, so I'm going to set it aside for now. As for the rest:
First a minor distinction; It isn't my totem that has an affect on my personality traits but my own soul image. Those are two different things. People can have a dragon spirit guide and still not have overtly draconic qualities him or her self. That is just the form my guide takes. It is because of my own personal Draconity that I have those tendencies...
And even then it is a choice to let them come foreward and overtly affect my actions. I can suppress them (And do) at any time I feel it necessary.
For the second part of that statement, yes that's obvious. Part of the reason that people call themselves Draconic or lupine or a skunk or lemur or platapus... etc etc is because they find that they share some traits with that animal. And yes that is a good example of how stereotypes -can- apply and have accuracy. However... (con't again)
Nah, sex is just a perk. Besides one could argue that society in general and every aspect of it is about sex. Or, more specifically, about reproduction. Demonstrating good genes (appearance, intelligence, adaptability,) Good resources (Money, success, social 'power') is at the basic primal core of what we all do within society.
In essence claiming it is about sex is a moot point because everything is about sex- on one level or another.
Now if you are looking for what sets it apart from the norm, In my case it is a course of action, a belief, and overall a general path that leads to personal growth and self improvement through recognising a connection to the larger-scale concepts. You know instead of simply existing I want to learn about the purpose of that existance. The ever present 'why' that I consider much more important than 'how'. (Though the two are connected of course)
Other things have sex as a factor, but people claiming they are carnivorous animals. It's all about sex, sex and vanity...which leads to sex. I do not point at those who truly have totemic guides (I mean in a literal way, not as vague as you may think. Not those people who behave like animals, WTF GTFO is my response to most of them.), ask yourself this.
First, a challenge: Explain to me how using behavior that is considered strange or at times even unacceptable to members of 'ordinary' society heightens the chance of a person getting sex. Something being about sex means that it is done to gain sex- which again means if it is for getting sex then it should by logic be something that improves the chances of getting it.
Second, as I mentioned this is not a totemic guide. It is a recognition of an internal state.
As for what good it does by telling other people, you never know. It is about the sharing of ideas and theories, philosophies and points of view. It is all in the sharing of information to further our understanding of the world around us and our place in it.
Even if it amounts to nothing though, it is still fun to stimulate conversation.
Oh... and where did I mention behaving like an animal?
fuck you all anyway, I'M a Native American otherkin. im half Cherokee and half Gryffon.
yet despite all my kewl powers, i STILL have to work nightshifts replenishing shelves at Safeway for £5.25 per hour. you would think that being so cool i would have figured a way to use my unique ways to make some proper bucks, but hey, your wrong! otherkin AREN'T sad,lonely weirdos,and we cope with reality just fine, thank you.
Uh huh... right. First, if you're a troll sadly trying to be funny you failed. let's face it Satire isn't your thing.
If you aren't a troll then you need to get over yourself. It has nothing to do with 'kewl powers' or 'unique ways'. Every being is unique, and even 'normal' humans can do amasing things that I can't hope to accomplish (yet anyways.)
Or maybe I am mis-understanding what you are trying to say. Maybe you should try again in a more lucid and organised fasion.
though you may fin dit interesting the things I can see and know to be around people. The fairies are a delight to watch. Elementals more accurately, made of pure energy.
Hmm... so your experience leads you to the idea that a person's kin type is more or less inspired by the person internalising the image and nature of their spirit guide? (Just to make sure I interpreted that correctly) I understand that possibility, but there are a few questions it raises into my mind:
What about instances where the form of the person's guide and their own percieved 'phenotype' differ? IE a person with, say, Pan -or at least a being with the likeness thereof- as a guide and yet having a kinship with a badger.
How do you reconcile the duality of the guide being percieved as separate and external while the personal image being recognised emotionally and experientially as internal. IE two distinctly separate phenomenons. Even if the form has some similarities.
As a medium, I can see souls and -not to impose my belief of knowledge, but to give another perspective-I have noticed those who claim to be other kin are actually human with very sensitive souls who have this connection to mythos creatures b.c it is their spirit guide. I can see fairies, unicorns and other creatures. They do not get to be born on Earth. They do not reincarnate or ever have death. peace.
Well, I'm trying to anyways. So far it has been working out pretty well. ^_^
Thanks for the comment, and as always more are welcome. Especially in the form of critiques, ideas, questions, and the like. I'm always looking to improve.
Your words were beautiful, insightful, and well said. I thank you very much for sharing your video with us and especially at the cost of exposing your face to the world so that it may undoubtedly (but regrettably) become flamed.
I agree with your arguments on the differences between animal totems as sprit guides and otherkin/therian label/subculture. Your video was well needed as a response to the business ninja's comments about otherkin as I couldn't have put it better myself. +fav +subscribe
Wow man, thank you so much for offering so much praise like that. It has completely made my day!
Oh, and don't forget to thank Taka there for putting up his video as well. It was his smooth challenge and respectful arguement 9And rather witty barbs) that inspired me to get on here in the first place.
As for the potential flames, Meh. part of the draconity package is a healthy coating of fire-retardent scales Muahahahaha!
... Ok. Seriously though I don't mind. I have found it to be very worth the potential trouble. It's cool how when you have a relaxed attitude about something others are inspired to have the same.
So i can't use big words, or anything of that type but I had a friend tell me not to long ago that he though I was a faerie. I thought he was completely joking until he brought it up yet again. Saying that I should look into otherkins and that I would understand why he says I am one (a faerie). So as the internet is a vast sea of knowledge I have searched far and wide for people and explanations about this i guess to call it, culture or lifestyle or self examination?
First, Welcome and thanks for the comment! next, I should tell you that just because someone else says you are a farie (or any other 'kin for that matter) doesn't mean you are one. So don't feel bad if you look into the information out there and find your friend to be wrong. What matters is what you feel and see, not what other people say.
As for sites to check out about fae, I unfortunately don't know of any. Though I might suggest looking into the history and folklore of faeries along with the otherkin pages. You would probably find it easier to get good information that way- at least as a starting point.
Oh, and for the last part I think it is a mix of all three, though each person uses a different amount of each. For example in my case it is mostly self examination with only a little culture/lifestyle.
... uh huh. Right. Your clever words and heartfelt mockery have so totally convinced me of the error of my ways. really. I'm a changed man now. I am going to give up my dragony ways and become a beautiful, right wing fundamentalist and work in soup kitchens thanks to your awe inspiring words.
Seriously though, did I ever mention eating people? Please, that's just dumb. And while what I talk about is based from philosophical inquiry, inward exploration, and empirical study....
Your statement is just a random attempt at insults to either impress some friend (who likely thinks you're rather dumb for feeling you have to take the time to do so) or else you are trying desperately to pretend you're cool and special because you can mock someone who you don't know, from miles away, from the safety of your computer.
That said, I'd welcome intelligent debate if you can manage to stop sniffing your bathtub ether long enough to make a proper stance in the discussion.
God, you know, there was a time where I would have found listening to you talk on Youtube for six minutes boring. Right now, it's just such a relief to hear someone speaking in a civil manner, reasoning rather than spouting nonsense like an idiot.
Thank you for the compliments Khaz! it makes me happy to know that me and Taka here have managed to bring a smidgeon of sense to such a controvercial topic.
And thank you very much for the compliments! I'm still working on expressing myself correctly, but I suppose that's the sort of thing that's always a work in progress.
Dude you take me way too seriously. Pop a valium, have a nap, and when you are feeling better try to say something that is actually intelligent. Or at least relative to the conversation. Where exactly did I claim magic powers?
Besides. Magic missile? Please. There are so many more flashy spells to challenge me with.
if you dont want ppl to take you seriously try not having a serious video. if you were trying to prove a serious point and hes taking you seriously, aparently you done your job well...good job lol
There's taking someone at face value, and then there's taking what a person says way over the top from what was intended. I said 'otherkin' and he interpreted "LORD VASOLOTH THE ALMIGHTY SORCERER!"
... Which I took to be a rather foolish leap, hence my response to his comment taking the form it did.
meh lol still unsure of what an otherkin is but its prolly really silly...but i cant talk much im a furry and ppl think that makes me a pedophile/bestialist ect and thats just plain bullshit lol who am i to judge others for what they believe when life is how you make it
funny I thought ninjas and pirates were mortal enemies? I thought your ilk would jump at a chance for making bargains with eldritch creatures such as myself to tip the tides of the war in your favor. -_^
bravo. I like seeing well considered debates amongst the flame fest that is youtube. while I'm not otherkin nor do I have much of an opinion on this it was interesting to listen to.
This is actually a hard question to answer. The only real sign that I have found is your own heart. Self exploration and inward looking are the key. it is in essence not a condition, but an act of finding yourself.
All I can suggest is study a few ways of meditating, read a ton of books on anything you can that inspires you to look inward, and try your best to not place expectations. (Often that is the hardest part). The rest is time.
i know very little about otherkin or furries but i do believe that i have been a horse in a previous life, i have a natural affinity for horses and can communicate with them that is not horse whispering but more complex and this was never taught just natural, maybe i am crazy or maybe i am otherkin, i do not know, but thanks for the info
Mmm well the video you replied on was rather..strange in my eyes. Because I know a dragonic that has as good friends a freaking shaman. And so far I never heard much discouragment from there. Might be respect or ..might be that some shamans look at things in larger points.
It could be. This sort of thing is usually up to eash individual and of course his/her interpretation of how things work. I do value Taka's points though. For all the banter he's a damn smart fellow.
Yeah it is refreshing to see intelligence and debate these days! Definitely between well those that are of more defining and controlled paths and those of paths that are more personal.
Very illuminating video. I don't understand why people would post degrading comments on it, as this is obviously a very well-informed, well thought out statement. Good work^_^
Thanks for the compliments! I'm glad that you were able to pull some information from my ramblings. If you have questions feel free to send them my way, I'd be happy to answer them. (as well as I can manage, any ways.)
As for the negative comments- i imagine that they come from people with juvenile minds trying to impress their peers with comments that just seem to be snappy at the time.
In short, it's a useless misnomer and quite frankly if you can't rub together the brain cells it takes to say something original then get out of the pool. It's just embarassing. Really. Like watching a fat retard in water wings trying to race an olympic swimmer.
Larping? Not really. I never really got into that stuff. It's too hard to make any sort of combat fun. At least not unless I saved up a few thousand dollars and went to germany where it is registered as a theater event. I'd rather roll dice.
And as for furfag, jeez already how many people are going to cling to that pathetic little word? It's old. It's out dated. it has no effective value or impact.
Damn spellchecker. Anyways... great video.
Sethmyrrh 1 year ago
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Sethmyrrh 1 year ago
you should be a Sensi for this sort of subject, its good to see intelligent dragons about instead of stupid ones that think they are higher than everyone else, knowledge is a fine tool, use it well... I think I might be mimicking what you say... as for the rest of people who read this, a you have to learn how to use such a tool correctly, keep your eyes open, head up who knows what you can find...
PS. I'm only 16, before you judge think of it this way, longer to learn new things
shoyruki 1 year ago
@shoyruki Heh no worries on the age thing. I have often found that while age can sometimes come with wisdom, it is not often that wisdom comes from age. There's many an old person who still has the emotional faculties of a child, and also many a child with unusual wisdom and perception.
Thanks for the compliments, and I hope that if you have questions or ideas you'll pop them over! I may have not made a video in a -really- long time, but i am still working on it. ^_^
Spiritrunner6 1 year ago
LOL
Sounds and looks like your typical furfag.
Probably smells like one too
redemption136 1 year ago
/OTHERKIN
the two are synonyms
redemption136 1 year ago
@redemption136 uh... which two? all i see is /otherkin
Spiritrunner6 1 year ago
@redemption136 Wow... seriously. your words of wisdom and insight are truely a grand inspiration to us all! Oh, however do you manage such humor and whit while still being near prophetic in your genious?
Seriously. years of flame wars and this is the best you can come up with? How sad.
Spiritrunner6 1 year ago
@redemption136 firstly LOL? why do you talk like such an idiot, im sorry for sounding like a troll towards a human like you, but still i find it comical that you think such stupid comments suit otherkin, I my self think im a lung dragon finding my wings, I dont see the reason behind your trolling, are you too stupid to take in such a concept? do you think your hard slabbering to people who are obviously more intelligent than you are, simple minded people like you are what bring about human hate.
shoyruki 1 year ago
you shall be called now profesor otherkin! dundun!
haha, I really liked this, you must be one of the few smart otherkin I actually get to hear!
SukottoDeragon 1 year ago
@SukottoDeragon Well, I play a smart person on youtube anyways. Still, thanks for the compliments! It makes my ego swell. ...Wait my ego isn't in my pants?! umm... *blushes*
yeah, I've been awake for FAR too long. That seemed funny at the time. ¬_¬
Spiritrunner6 1 year ago
@Spiritrunner6 wait... who carries their ego in their pants? XD
SukottoDeragon 1 year ago
you should be a teacher lol. thank you for making this video.
fishboard123 1 year ago
THANK YOU, SENSEI!!thanx.
cbuggyfl 2 years ago
Wow... not only does this mostly hit home but it's funny too!! I like it.
aldristatsu 2 years ago
@aldristatsu Thank you very much! I just wish that the videos i responded to didn't get all corrupted. He actually had some very good points and a great sense of humor. ... Maybe if enough people started sending him pm's he'd reupload them or something? *ponders*
Spiritrunner6 1 year ago
lol! thank you so much for this video.
jadedphoenix13 2 years ago
Dragons aren't furres. I'll kill the idiot who says otherwise!!
Silkfox 2 years ago
@Silkfox dragons are furries, and if not its still as fucking stupid, and you will get trolled for claiming so
MolotovDaSkwerl 2 years ago
wheres the proof
royaldragonfire 2 years ago
@royaldragonfire
simply because you like to assume your an animal makes you as bad as a furry
hell even i could be considered a furry, even though i don't consider Skwerl as my "real and true appearance" i could be considered that way, although i don't like to think so
MolotovDaSkwerl 2 years ago
it takes a massive amount of energy to make life and to reshape it so there is an easy way and i actually think im more intact with my dragon side than my human.
i think this becaus when i get pissed off these thins that look like scales appear under my skin on my arms and chest and they hurt like hell
royaldragonfire 2 years ago
@royaldragonfire
lolwut
i'm sorry but that may be caused my any medication you are taking
MolotovDaSkwerl 2 years ago
im not on any medication thank you
royaldragonfire 2 years ago
@royaldragonfire
then you're just a fucked up flipper baby, i could try and put up an educated argument with you but you'll just shoot it down with the "but i feel it" response, and don't think you won't coz you've already done it twice
MolotovDaSkwerl 2 years ago
this is what happens when you run into a otherkin hating asshole everyone they make up some dumb stuff to insult us like below this comment
:--D
royaldragonfire 2 years ago
@royaldragonfire
considering there are no accounts of these "otherkin", and i'll take this back if you can bring it up, recorded by some sort of institution such as a science based one, than you win,
i'm not going to leave it to faith like my religion i don't like to be considered an ignorant troll, i like to be an informed troll,
MolotovDaSkwerl 2 years ago
@MolotovDaSkwerl Ah yes an age old connundrum. here's my perspective;
Scales and Scales = scrapes and cuts.
Fur and Fur = Mass static and unmanageable fluff.
Fur and Scales = Murrrr.....
Share the love. Don't be hatin' on your scaly bretherin.
...yeah i know that has nothing to do with the topic. I just feel like being silly. ^_^
Spiritrunner6 1 year ago
@Spiritrunner6
im sorry if this is the case
but to most people, the concept of furries and pretending one is a dragon will bring on the trolling, and this is not because these people "are different", but it brings the idea to people that see furries and so on as rather childish, mostly for the fact that they are believeing they are random animals, i did that as a kid too
as a side note, i never watched the full video, and regardless of how well put forth your point is, i just don't feel its nec
MolotovDaSkwerl 1 year ago
whats the point? if they don't understand furries why bother trying to enlighten them?
Panzerelch 2 years ago
Well, mainly because there is always opportunity for someone to learn something. Even if it isn't the person you intended. Also ignorance only lasts so long as we allow it to.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
My love for Dragons is extremely deep, deep enough I can feel them all over me. But I do mean them and not me, as in I belive they existed here on earth but we simply are not worthy of being in there company anymore on earth. This "KIN" this I have been researching seems to lead to scientific comparisons (through the way you feel). A creature at such a high level of majesty is not prooved by science anymore then God can be. I guess I am at a much higher level with dragons then all these "KINS"
mythril4 2 years ago
So... you *do* acknowledge that you're making all of this up as you go along, that there is absolutely no objective data that should lead anyone to believe that 1.) there used to be dragons, 2.) these dragons were sentient and had a rich, full culture that somehow has gone totally undiscovered by archaeologists, and 3.) that one of those dragons now lives inside you and makes you better than most of the people around you.
Good. Then we're in agreement.
poobah103 2 years ago
Well, actually, I'm just saying that we're still trying to figure things out rather than suffering from the arrogance of assuming ultimate knowledge of the nature of the universe.
Oh, and I don't have a dragon in me, that would require having more than one soul. You should be more careful with your word choice there.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
Besides it isn't this draconic quality of mine that makes me better than you. In fact, in the grand scheme of things it means almost nothing other than that it is something I learned about myself.
No, what makes me better than you is that I actively try to be a better person on a daily basis. Draconity not required.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
So... you *do* suffer a psychological condition that has you laboring under the misapprehension that you are a fictional being? Or are you knowingly and willfully engaging in a form of fantasy, making up the rules as you go along and simply couching the whole affair in a guise of thoughtful exploration as part of the game you know you're playing with yourself?
Since you acknowledge that, as an Otherkin, you get to pick-and-choose from other religions as you wish, I assume it is the latter.
poobah103 2 years ago
Wow. That sure is a whole lot of pretty words to ask a simple question. Tell me. Were you trying to impress me, or was it just a futile attempt to confuse?
Truth be told over the last while I have been realising that most if not all of my spiritual discoveries have had little to no sourcing in Draconity directly. (Yes folks that's a concession you just heard!) It has become much more of a frame to put the big picture in rather than the whole of the picture itself. ...
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
In short, my Draconity has nothing to do with my choice of spirituality (Namely that salad-bar approach). And nor does it influence the method of how I go about gaining knowledge other than as it relates to myself directly. (Predispositions, etc etc)
I guess you could refer to it as my spiritual frame of reference.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
In the future, I'll be sure to clear all words with you before I use them, if only to keep you from mistaking my arguments as a pick-up line.
Also, thank you for the hostility. I look forward to hearing how passive-aggressively you can phrase your answer to my next question, distilled (per your request) to its simplest form:
Are you a dragon or not?
poobah103 2 years ago
There see? Wasn't that easy?
Physically obviously the answer is no.
On the level of my spirit (IE the form that my soul takes when separately considered from my physical body), Yes.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
there can be proof i just need the amount of energy a supernova creats to split the soul from the body and shape the body to suit the soul aka i need around 50 nuclear generators
royaldragonfire 2 years ago
Um... okay. Great.
poobah103 2 years ago
you humans are the ones that came up with the theory in thy first place
royaldragonfire 2 years ago
I'm a fucking balrog
ellomynameisjohnny 2 years ago 3
"YOU, SHALL NOT, PASS!"
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
I'm either a balrog-kin or a Klingon
ellomynameisjohnny 2 years ago
I like this guy...he doesnt spit out hateful comments nor promote otherkin a lá propaganda.
It was interesting listen to him.
Laikosu 2 years ago
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I just wish that Taka's videos were still watchable. Not only so people can see both sides of the arguement but also because he did a damn good job of it. He is one of the few trolls that I have come to respect.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
I'M A SKRULL!
SonofCimmeria 2 years ago
Oh Dude why the hell can't I remember what movie Skrulls are from?!
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
What? are you cow or shaman or what? Or are you sane man? Please don't answer.
Louhila 2 years ago
Well if yer gonna ask then I'm gonna answer so tough noogies! Mwahaha!
At least it's an easy answer... no on all counts. Not Crow or shaman (i think you meant Crow?) and sane? HAH!
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
No answer i told you. My brains can't translate these words into toughts.
Louhila 2 years ago
Why ask a question if you do not want an answer?
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
Just to make me feel better.
Louhila 2 years ago
hehe well at least you're honest about it.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
Is it possible to be an otherkin but not be sure of your species?
lyriclex 2 years ago
It is indeed. And, of course, for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes a person simply does not want to be whatever it is that they are, and so fight with themselves for a variety of reasons from ego and vanity to fear. You know; "But Who the hell would want to be a boring old robin?!" or "But snakes are evil and sinister, and evil. Being one would make me evil too!" (Which, of course, wouldn't be true but you get the idea.)
Stupid character limit... Continued.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
As i was going to say before I ran out of room, Hell I've been at this for eight years and I still don't have a clue why I see my feathers as feathered the way they are. While I have an understanding of their symbology I don't really know what it comes from. I've since resolved myself to that part not being of great consequence though.
Out of curiosity do you have any images or pieces of images that come to mind, or is it a general feeling of being something other than human but unspecific?
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
No images just a strong feeling...or maybe I'm just a very different human. The worst would be if I were an otherkin species that nobody has heard about.
lyriclex 2 years ago
From them I get to know more, contemplate reality. While you have been the product of an unproductive parcel of my time, like reading the pages of the same bedtime novel for the 56th time.
flickeries 3 years ago
I guess sometimes the communication just doesn't work out. Better luck next time then.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
How can you be guided by a dragon when you don't even have the knowledge to seek the facts behind words?
How can you have an eagle totem when you're so short sighted, coincidently it doesn't apply metaphorically as well? Having this discussion with you has been so far, as constructive as whacking a bag of dogs against concrete. Dude, I look forward to meeting people who truly have totems and spr guides but you aren't one of them unfortunately.
flickeries 3 years ago
I'm talking about the whole concept in general, seeing as you kept on refering the whole thing to yourself I gave you a window of expression by asking about you, but your only answers were as shallow as puddles.
Quote 'So. Do you want to try again?' You aren't keen to learn, you see this as offensive material and want to rebute it. This whole thing is being thrown offcourse, I see how people like you delude yourself into the 'holier than thou' mindset by throwing nonsense as rebuttals.
flickeries 3 years ago
It's not an explanation while you constantly bug me to explain further and further on a concept I display that is so simple, posing more questions to me and straying from the main issue. From the way you even attempt to make your points, focusing on technicality and refusal to LOOK AROUND rather than focus on just yourself. The point of this is not to make you look good, but your intent seems to be about the overmentioned 'me'.
flickeries 3 years ago
The point of this argument is not to pick on the way words are phrased, it's about their meaning. It's all about sex, it's my stand for being the basis of this attitude towards the topic. But it seems, you have done NOTHING to disprove it. That short paragraph on 'self improvement' and all that junk, dude I see phrases like that everywhere in things like coaching videos, dealing with depression clips.
flickeries 3 years ago
As far as making videos to argue 9See debate) points with others, My intention was to try and show that there are those of us who try to act in a reasonably interrligent fasion. And in case you haven't discovered this I did so with Takamizuna. I managed to garner his respect, and both of us came to new information through the discussion as brief as it was. However if I was doing this for my own aggrandisement then you would think that I would be initiating these debates not merely responding.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
As a more direct statement to you, how am I trying to make a display with you when you are the one who initiated the conversation, and you are the one who is stubbornly trying to stick to a point that was rendered moot a long time ago just to try and force the issue until you can 'be right'. Once again you only attack yourself.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
That also reflects on your own attitude for debate. A statement like 'It's all for sex' is not a question, or a search for more understanding, and it certainly doesn't facilitate learning so once again you violate your own standard.
As for the questions about the shaman and your other challenge; He was Cree. And yes I agree that different tribes associate different meanings towards the varying animal totems.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Though the more you research into it the more you see how they still have considerable overlap. However seeing as I have not ever said that it was my totem that guided me this is, again, a moot point. I do not act like an eagle, Though out of curiosity what was it exactly that you wanted me to share? The details of what eagle symbolises to me?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
And I agree that the cliches are out there. However that does not change the fact that you are making an assumption based on a stereotype and still trying to associate the overall group with a single individual. Just because an individual is a part of a certain group it doesn't mean he automatically shares in all of the most negative perceptions just because you say so.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
If the focus of the conversation was about the group/subculture known as otherkin then this would be a very different discussion as I freely admit there are a lot of wankers out there. However we are not. We are referring to a single individual within that group (myself) Who has his own mind and freely takes from the culture as he will. Which means it is open to both positive and negative concepts- some being cliche and some not.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
So. Do you want to try again?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
I forgot to add that if this was for my own aggrandisement that then I would also have been unable to let go of the discussion let alone any points he made that defeated mine. Which, if you watched the followup videos, I did indeed do. Not only did I define final statements I also made concessions to his counters.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
You want recognition from society for such a subject, alongside imposing qualities from your supposed spr guide onto yourself, it's ALL ABOUT sex. Spent an hour typing all this trying to put it in simpler words how this all connects, but with each post of yours you seem to disregard my words even more at the main points. Debates over the internet can only be done by people who seek understanding and learning, not with someone who just claims things about themselves to try and win a point.
flickeries 3 years ago
The reason why I disregard the bulk of what you say is because it has been a repetition of your original statement with a fancy form of 'because I say so' attached to it on the end.
I am glad that this most recent one is at least a little more explanatory to the source of your opinions. Being by my perspective a generally pessimistic set of assumptions. (For you still have yet to prove that you are acting on anything else.)
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
As far as your trying to put my personal details to question, let's answer that shall we?
My name is spiritrunner. Yes. it is a name I chose much like how many other people choose a nickname while online. Including you. (Oh mister kettle...) However it is a name that was inspired to me by the experience of my awakening (Which is detailed in another video.) I did not choose it because I thought that people would like it. I chose it because it has personal meaning. Nothing more or less.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Then you aren't being guided, nor are you it, you are just kidding yourself.
Look at your username, your videos trying to argue with others about the topic. Just look at your own attempts to display for others that you have some sort of connections to these things, the point? To say it is to provide others with a further understanding is a lie, a nice decorated mask in which to hide ulterior motives.
flickeries 3 years ago
Varying tribes have varying sets of animals, it's not uniform. In description especially, want to share with the rest of youtube? Let the panel, critic.
Still I did not say you acting self deserving or so on you rambled about up there, read my posts again. You may have, I wouldn't know. But know this, (I meant totem up there, not spr guide) if you act out of your true personality and claim it the works of some metaphysical animal.
flickeries 3 years ago
There are way too many coincidences around, you can claim you are genuine but so do others. Look around, how many people have things other than lynxes, tigers, wolves, birds of prey? It's always cliche, it's always these same animals. Now the odds are against you being one of them, hey they can claim it's coincidental too. But we all know the truth, also which tribe is the shaman from who said you had that spr guide?
flickeries 3 years ago
, whose choice has made it clear that it's just a social image you want to make for yourself. For the first paragraph of my previous response, it is evidence. I find it simple to understand, it's just about refering then comparing and drawing connotations. In this case, of an animal and a human being. Which isn't too far off from what you are trying to do here, if it truly is a spr guide then you won't get to choose. It's about the sex, better advertisment for sex.
flickeries 3 years ago
Well said, but unfortunately you are now making assumptions about my character. Namely making negative ones. So allow me to share a little information to correct them.
There are many different totems, not just predatory ones. There are rabbit and squirrel and turtle and mouse and, well, pretty much any animal you can think of. As far as my totem being a 'predatory' animal, that is actually coincidental.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
I did not choose my totem. I was told my totem by a shaman. Yes, a genuine Native american medicine man. Rendering you 'did it for the cool factor' statement moot.
Just because someone has a totem that happens to also be popular among fakers and wishers does not automatically make that individual a member of that group. I have been trying to express this to you for some time with apparently no effect as you refuse to accept this basic truth of fallacious assumption.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
As for what makes my spirit guide a dragon, it's just that he's a dragon. it is the shape he takes when I see him. It is how I translate the sensations I get of his energy and presence and overall nature.
As far as backing the claim that is impossible. Obviously there is no way to snap a picture or make a plaster cast of a foot print. It is an experiential thing. As such we will be left at an impasse with that one unfortunately.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
However, assuming you have done some research into my personality and nature- by watching my other videos and reading the sorts of comments I make- you would see that I do not consider the form to be superior in any way to any other form.
In fact i repeatedly tell people how Humans have the exact same potential as even Dragons.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
And that I know several people who far surpass me in levels of physical ability (D'uh), mental prowess, and spiritual knowledge, even with skill in energy working and healing. In no way have I EVER tried to express that I was superior to anyone. Which any logical person would concede lends credence to my using this as a spiritual medium rather than for self gain. I just don't run around yelling "Aren't I great?!" And I have acted against such behavior in others.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
What I am submitting to you, is that I am one of those true and honest spiritual seekers, and that you have mistakenly assumed I am out for myself simply because of a few stereotypes that I happen to fill. There is such a thing as coincidence even among social behaviors.
That is unless you can tell me (And quote please) Where I have told others I was superior or more deserving or otherwise acted in a self rhiteous and/or arrogant manner befitting the labels you are trying to place on me.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
(By the way I REALLY hate this damn character limit don't you?!) *Shakey-fists the post length limit*
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
In other words, how exactly have I 'made it clear' that this is a choice I made in order to gain some sort of social status? What exactly have I said? How exactly have I behaved? Give me solid factual examples please.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
What makes you spr guide a dragon, what do you have to back that claim up? Again, what makes your totem an eagle, what evidence do you have of it? In the end, it all boils down to the truth. People will just use these things to boast of characteristics they may or may not have, your tendences aren't because of some dragon entity. It's simply because you want people to see you that way, therefore you choose to act like that. Again there are true and honest people with guides out there but for you
flickeries 3 years ago
Look around, look at the guides you claim to have. It's always somesort of predatorial animal exhibiting qualities people want, if it truly were a more spiritual and unbiased subject people would have things like rabbits or geckos. But it is always the ones who advertise themselves with the 'cool' animal, this is a new point I'm adding on to my other statements. There are people who truly have these things, but as for you and so on. I'm thinking it's ALL ABOUT SEX, since you choose.
flickeries 3 years ago
However, just because something is true for the majority, it is well advised to explore that opportunity for any individual you encounter. Especially because this is a very subjective field of belief. Hell ask someone to describe the personality of a dragon to you and each person will give you a different story. Some would say they are about strength, power, and being superior to everything. Others would describe them as beings of wisdom and teaching. Or protectors. And the list goes on.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Oh and the pun was not intentional either. I was asking you to back up your statements with genuine information that applied DIRECTLY to me as an individual as it applied to the statements you are trying to prove. So far you are saying a lot without doing very much to back it up.
As for my spirit guide (Which I am assuming you meant), he is a dragon named Drokaal.
My totem (In case you really did mean totem) is Eagle.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Oh! This led me to a moment of epiphany though (Thanks!) In recognising something that separates spirit guides from totems.
A spirit guide is a specific individual being, who teaches you specific lessons while a Totem is more of an archtype.
For example a totem could be fox. Which doesn't mean you have -A- fox following you around and teaching you, just that foxes in general are a source of lessons about yourself through their behaviors, habits, strengths and weaknesses.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Where did I mention people who truly have totemic guides behaving like animals, read the bracket's meaning.
When someone implies a hint that they behave animalistically, they garner contemplation that they may possess further attributes to that same persona to another individual. This is strange and disgusting to most but people who belong to the same cohort as them could think otherwise, I suppose.
It's in the connotations, the stereotypes and the psychological subtleties. It's ABOUT SEX.
flickeries 3 years ago
Hmm... you may want to try taying that again. The first line of your second paragraph doesn't make much sense.
...And you still haven't explained how it's about sex. What connotations, what psychological subtleties (And please use examples of how they apply to me. really I want to see what you can psychoanalise about me). As for Stereotypes, they are just that. generalisations that have no application whatsoever on an individual basis.
So. Want to try the arguement again?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
When someone says another person has 'animal magnetism', the comparison is made between a critter and a human being. Refering to a human lacking desirable traits (not to all people) that can be derived from a wild counterpart, this is a fine example of reference connotations. Now, broadcasting you have a totem animal which explains your behaviour is expecting others to link supposed traits from that critter to you. Generalizations have a dramatic impact on individual basis, it's the core.
flickeries 3 years ago
The pun on words, like you 'psychoanalise'. Not cool man, seems to me you claim to have a totem guide. Tell us, what it is.
flickeries 3 years ago
I'm not sure how your first paragraph applies to the conversation, so I'm going to set it aside for now. As for the rest:
First a minor distinction; It isn't my totem that has an affect on my personality traits but my own soul image. Those are two different things. People can have a dragon spirit guide and still not have overtly draconic qualities him or her self. That is just the form my guide takes. It is because of my own personal Draconity that I have those tendencies...
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
And even then it is a choice to let them come foreward and overtly affect my actions. I can suppress them (And do) at any time I feel it necessary.
For the second part of that statement, yes that's obvious. Part of the reason that people call themselves Draconic or lupine or a skunk or lemur or platapus... etc etc is because they find that they share some traits with that animal. And yes that is a good example of how stereotypes -can- apply and have accuracy. However... (con't again)
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Just be honest, it's all about sex.
soir8 3 years ago
Nah, sex is just a perk. Besides one could argue that society in general and every aspect of it is about sex. Or, more specifically, about reproduction. Demonstrating good genes (appearance, intelligence, adaptability,) Good resources (Money, success, social 'power') is at the basic primal core of what we all do within society.
In essence claiming it is about sex is a moot point because everything is about sex- on one level or another.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Now if you are looking for what sets it apart from the norm, In my case it is a course of action, a belief, and overall a general path that leads to personal growth and self improvement through recognising a connection to the larger-scale concepts. You know instead of simply existing I want to learn about the purpose of that existance. The ever present 'why' that I consider much more important than 'how'. (Though the two are connected of course)
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
No, this is ALL about sex.
(Don't read on if you do not like debates.)
Other things have sex as a factor, but people claiming they are carnivorous animals. It's all about sex, sex and vanity...which leads to sex. I do not point at those who truly have totemic guides (I mean in a literal way, not as vague as you may think. Not those people who behave like animals, WTF GTFO is my response to most of them.), ask yourself this.
What good will it do to tell other people?
flickeries 3 years ago
First, a challenge: Explain to me how using behavior that is considered strange or at times even unacceptable to members of 'ordinary' society heightens the chance of a person getting sex. Something being about sex means that it is done to gain sex- which again means if it is for getting sex then it should by logic be something that improves the chances of getting it.
Second, as I mentioned this is not a totemic guide. It is a recognition of an internal state.
..continued
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
As for what good it does by telling other people, you never know. It is about the sharing of ideas and theories, philosophies and points of view. It is all in the sharing of information to further our understanding of the world around us and our place in it.
Even if it amounts to nothing though, it is still fun to stimulate conversation.
Oh... and where did I mention behaving like an animal?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
CHILLL BRRAHHHHHH
IMTHEJUGGERNAUT 3 years ago
err... huh?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
fuck you all anyway, I'M a Native American otherkin. im half Cherokee and half Gryffon.
yet despite all my kewl powers, i STILL have to work nightshifts replenishing shelves at Safeway for £5.25 per hour. you would think that being so cool i would have figured a way to use my unique ways to make some proper bucks, but hey, your wrong! otherkin AREN'T sad,lonely weirdos,and we cope with reality just fine, thank you.
IMTHEJUGGERNAUT 3 years ago
Uh huh... right. First, if you're a troll sadly trying to be funny you failed. let's face it Satire isn't your thing.
If you aren't a troll then you need to get over yourself. It has nothing to do with 'kewl powers' or 'unique ways'. Every being is unique, and even 'normal' humans can do amasing things that I can't hope to accomplish (yet anyways.)
Or maybe I am mis-understanding what you are trying to say. Maybe you should try again in a more lucid and organised fasion.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Should've made a few changes, I just read this on ED.
Nice try though, you got one fag to respond :D
soir8 3 years ago
Hmm... what changes should I have made? ... and what's ED?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Awesome statement. Thank you, I have been trying to get this point across to people for years.
Appaloosakisses 3 years ago
I know what you mean. it is a statement often said but little heard.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
though you may fin dit interesting the things I can see and know to be around people. The fairies are a delight to watch. Elementals more accurately, made of pure energy.
firelovelight 3 years ago
Hmm... so your experience leads you to the idea that a person's kin type is more or less inspired by the person internalising the image and nature of their spirit guide? (Just to make sure I interpreted that correctly) I understand that possibility, but there are a few questions it raises into my mind:
...
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
What about instances where the form of the person's guide and their own percieved 'phenotype' differ? IE a person with, say, Pan -or at least a being with the likeness thereof- as a guide and yet having a kinship with a badger.
How do you reconcile the duality of the guide being percieved as separate and external while the personal image being recognised emotionally and experientially as internal. IE two distinctly separate phenomenons. Even if the form has some similarities.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
As a medium, I can see souls and -not to impose my belief of knowledge, but to give another perspective-I have noticed those who claim to be other kin are actually human with very sensitive souls who have this connection to mythos creatures b.c it is their spirit guide. I can see fairies, unicorns and other creatures. They do not get to be born on Earth. They do not reincarnate or ever have death. peace.
firelovelight 3 years ago
do u get laid like ever?
Gyrcion 3 years ago
yup.
Next question?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
bout time someone tried to explain this, and actually sound like they know something
thedarkmoonmidnight 3 years ago
Well, I'm trying to anyways. So far it has been working out pretty well. ^_^
Thanks for the comment, and as always more are welcome. Especially in the form of critiques, ideas, questions, and the like. I'm always looking to improve.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Your words were beautiful, insightful, and well said. I thank you very much for sharing your video with us and especially at the cost of exposing your face to the world so that it may undoubtedly (but regrettably) become flamed.
I agree with your arguments on the differences between animal totems as sprit guides and otherkin/therian label/subculture. Your video was well needed as a response to the business ninja's comments about otherkin as I couldn't have put it better myself. +fav +subscribe
CanineHybrid 3 years ago
Wow man, thank you so much for offering so much praise like that. It has completely made my day!
Oh, and don't forget to thank Taka there for putting up his video as well. It was his smooth challenge and respectful arguement 9And rather witty barbs) that inspired me to get on here in the first place.
As for the potential flames, Meh. part of the draconity package is a healthy coating of fire-retardent scales Muahahahaha!
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
... Ok. Seriously though I don't mind. I have found it to be very worth the potential trouble. It's cool how when you have a relaxed attitude about something others are inspired to have the same.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
So i can't use big words, or anything of that type but I had a friend tell me not to long ago that he though I was a faerie. I thought he was completely joking until he brought it up yet again. Saying that I should look into otherkins and that I would understand why he says I am one (a faerie). So as the internet is a vast sea of knowledge I have searched far and wide for people and explanations about this i guess to call it, culture or lifestyle or self examination?
Lykesohxc 3 years ago
First, Welcome and thanks for the comment! next, I should tell you that just because someone else says you are a farie (or any other 'kin for that matter) doesn't mean you are one. So don't feel bad if you look into the information out there and find your friend to be wrong. What matters is what you feel and see, not what other people say.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
As for sites to check out about fae, I unfortunately don't know of any. Though I might suggest looking into the history and folklore of faeries along with the otherkin pages. You would probably find it easier to get good information that way- at least as a starting point.
Oh, and for the last part I think it is a mix of all three, though each person uses a different amount of each. For example in my case it is mostly self examination with only a little culture/lifestyle.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
... uh huh. Right. Your clever words and heartfelt mockery have so totally convinced me of the error of my ways. really. I'm a changed man now. I am going to give up my dragony ways and become a beautiful, right wing fundamentalist and work in soup kitchens thanks to your awe inspiring words.
Seriously though, did I ever mention eating people? Please, that's just dumb. And while what I talk about is based from philosophical inquiry, inward exploration, and empirical study....
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Your statement is just a random attempt at insults to either impress some friend (who likely thinks you're rather dumb for feeling you have to take the time to do so) or else you are trying desperately to pretend you're cool and special because you can mock someone who you don't know, from miles away, from the safety of your computer.
That said, I'd welcome intelligent debate if you can manage to stop sniffing your bathtub ether long enough to make a proper stance in the discussion.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
is this like...advanced trolling or some shit? lol
Marlfox70 3 years ago
Troll 2.0 actually. ... Well, to be the most specific it's troll 2.0.1.6(b).
We're going to call it vista until we can iron out all the bugs and make an officially complete program. -_^
...Ok I thought it was funny at the time, but I've been awake for twenty hours so who am I to know?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
lol vista icwutudidthar XD
Marlfox70 3 years ago
God, you know, there was a time where I would have found listening to you talk on Youtube for six minutes boring. Right now, it's just such a relief to hear someone speaking in a civil manner, reasoning rather than spouting nonsense like an idiot.
+1 to the both of you!
KhazWolf 3 years ago 2
Thank you for the compliments Khaz! it makes me happy to know that me and Taka here have managed to bring a smidgeon of sense to such a controvercial topic.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
if i may ask what did you awaken to?
i am otherkin myself
heartxofxice01 3 years ago
I awakened to Draconity. I'm not exactly what you'd consider a 'full blood' dragon though.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Finally someone who can adequately express what we are and the journey it takes to find ourselves. I applaud you. PS thanks for not being fluffy.
unknownhost08 3 years ago
And thank you very much for the compliments! I'm still working on expressing myself correctly, but I suppose that's the sort of thing that's always a work in progress.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Dude you take me way too seriously. Pop a valium, have a nap, and when you are feeling better try to say something that is actually intelligent. Or at least relative to the conversation. Where exactly did I claim magic powers?
Besides. Magic missile? Please. There are so many more flashy spells to challenge me with.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
if you dont want ppl to take you seriously try not having a serious video. if you were trying to prove a serious point and hes taking you seriously, aparently you done your job well...good job lol
Marlfox70 3 years ago
There's taking someone at face value, and then there's taking what a person says way over the top from what was intended. I said 'otherkin' and he interpreted "LORD VASOLOTH THE ALMIGHTY SORCERER!"
... Which I took to be a rather foolish leap, hence my response to his comment taking the form it did.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
meh lol still unsure of what an otherkin is but its prolly really silly...but i cant talk much im a furry and ppl think that makes me a pedophile/bestialist ect and thats just plain bullshit lol who am i to judge others for what they believe when life is how you make it
Marlfox70 3 years ago
True indeed. ^_^
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
funny I thought ninjas and pirates were mortal enemies? I thought your ilk would jump at a chance for making bargains with eldritch creatures such as myself to tip the tides of the war in your favor. -_^
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
bravo. I like seeing well considered debates amongst the flame fest that is youtube. while I'm not otherkin nor do I have much of an opinion on this it was interesting to listen to.
alestercane 3 years ago
What are signs of being other kin i have been looking for info but have not found any good info can u help me out ??
DJwolf1101 3 years ago
This is actually a hard question to answer. The only real sign that I have found is your own heart. Self exploration and inward looking are the key. it is in essence not a condition, but an act of finding yourself.
All I can suggest is study a few ways of meditating, read a ton of books on anything you can that inspires you to look inward, and try your best to not place expectations. (Often that is the hardest part). The rest is time.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
i know very little about otherkin or furries but i do believe that i have been a horse in a previous life, i have a natural affinity for horses and can communicate with them that is not horse whispering but more complex and this was never taught just natural, maybe i am crazy or maybe i am otherkin, i do not know, but thanks for the info
dragonmaddie 3 years ago
Mmm well the video you replied on was rather..strange in my eyes. Because I know a dragonic that has as good friends a freaking shaman. And so far I never heard much discouragment from there. Might be respect or ..might be that some shamans look at things in larger points.
Oh well great video indeed :)
masticina 3 years ago
It could be. This sort of thing is usually up to eash individual and of course his/her interpretation of how things work. I do value Taka's points though. For all the banter he's a damn smart fellow.
Hell if anything his wit proves it. ^_^
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Yeah it is refreshing to see intelligence and debate these days! Definitely between well those that are of more defining and controlled paths and those of paths that are more personal.
masticina 3 years ago
Great response and explanation of the otherkin (i prefer the word therian heh). Highly respect you man.
Woger6 3 years ago
Thanks for the compliments, and I will endeavour all the more to make sure all the videos I make will do as well as this one. ^_^
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
NO! ... I'm better than that! *haughty look*
Seriously, thanks for the compliment!
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
Very illuminating video. I don't understand why people would post degrading comments on it, as this is obviously a very well-informed, well thought out statement. Good work^_^
SabrielNecromantic 3 years ago
Thanks for the compliments! I'm glad that you were able to pull some information from my ramblings. If you have questions feel free to send them my way, I'd be happy to answer them. (as well as I can manage, any ways.)
As for the negative comments- i imagine that they come from people with juvenile minds trying to impress their peers with comments that just seem to be snappy at the time.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
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you are such a retard.
hillareeeee 3 years ago
And it is certainly a marvellous reflection of your immense intelligence that you managed five whole words! Wow I AM impressed!
As I have frequently said already, run along now little child and let the big boys talk.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
In short, it's a useless misnomer and quite frankly if you can't rub together the brain cells it takes to say something original then get out of the pool. It's just embarassing. Really. Like watching a fat retard in water wings trying to race an olympic swimmer.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
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fucking larping furfag
strawberryclock 3 years ago
Larping? Not really. I never really got into that stuff. It's too hard to make any sort of combat fun. At least not unless I saved up a few thousand dollars and went to germany where it is registered as a theater event. I'd rather roll dice.
And as for furfag, jeez already how many people are going to cling to that pathetic little word? It's old. It's out dated. it has no effective value or impact.
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
I didn't even know what otherkin was until a friend in hungary said i should look into that...well being the dragonman...welll...
satandragons 3 years ago
Wtf.
xXKyoushiroXx 3 years ago
wadddayah mean wtf? That's not really much of a statement, ... maybe if you said a little more so I could respond to the question?
Spiritrunner6 3 years ago
oh, that meant nothing. XD sorry
xXKyoushiroXx 3 years ago