@italiatua there are many videos and news paper articles that expose the true nature of islam... are you saying that there is no video that contains the truth about islam in regards to their actions of mis treating people. what about england where they have shari law
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Why not you grape that when any man or people will follow the command of Creator they will be persecuted every where as in past with jesus christ peace be upon him and his true follower in first century and with prophet muhammad peace be upon him.
So The point is these are irrelevant until first *one* must understand who God is.
with out it there is no meaning.
i provide you link but you don't want to understand.
@italiatua the fist part is right but muahammad isnt a prophet from God.... didnt someone else claim and called muhammad a prophet ..it was from God but from a person that didnt know god.... its not possible
@MrLoudmouthspeaker to be a prophet no need to be as you said *called* when God choose a person it automatically become a prophet so there is no need for anything Did Jesus Christ peace be upon him not said or who is the person here?
@italiatua God didnt call muhammad... did God ever have personal contact with your prophet? did God God speak one on one with your prohet? what guidence did your prophet receive? where did the teaching come from?
look at moses -he had a relationship with God - did your prophet?
how is it that Gods sciptures doesnt hold any teaching of islam ... do muslims say that God got it all wrong? wow islam isnt from God of the bible... the god of islam must be a different god....
if islam refutes God or jesus in his true nature then it must be false
@loudmouthspeaker you even don't know Islam means submit to the Creator of all existence and that is done by every prophet for that reason God used the term islam=submission.
again your god and my god, these are your assertions.
very funny if islam refutes God or jesus...
why not you say if muslim refuse that what i s think then it must be false????
that you want?
you also want that church also do too because you only know the real christianity that invented 325 ac by some groups.
@italiatua You say islam means submit to God, so what..... catholic means the same, Gods Word used the name christian..... there is no islam anywhere ... why is that i wonder... islam was derived from many false pagan gods... its a corupt belief system... islam contain many pagan beliefs and practices
@italiatua Yes thats right thanks for pointing out to me that Gods scriptures use the word Christian for people who have accepted the God of the bible..... so there is no mention of islam or the koran anywhere is there... I could present proofs from the bible but you would simply say that the bible has changed over time and now contains many errors...
to answer that i would say the koran has also been re written...fancy that
@loudmouthspeaker the Christian accept about bible is changed and take out and in many things as they want the biggest change in 325 C.E., the Nicene Council so you can not have to prove nothing from bible.
QURAN is protected copy as one and we rely on entire memorize quran from the day of prophet peace be upon him and there are so many muslim memorized entire Quran from first word to last word in their hearts.
@italiatua everyone knows the koran has changed... surly you know about that thing called aborgation: None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
Muslim scholars of old hold to the concept that some ayahs in the Quran abrogate other ayahs in the Quran, but do not all hold to the same set of abrogated and abrogating ayahs.
@loudmouthspeaker so you take the topic of abrogation then here is the reference what God abrogated in realty not Quran."Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them......." 5:48
@italiatua so are you saying that God isnt perfect? that God gave the wrong spiritual information in the koran that it had to be rubbed out and re written? is that what you are saying? if this is true there must be a list of all the verese that God changed and re wrote.. do you have such a list of veses and if so how mony other people have the same knowledge....
these changes would cause lots of trouble wouldnt it?
@loudmouthspeaker you has said it not me God gives his message to every nation and final message to mankind before prophets was send to all tribes persist for a specified period of time then in the peak of humanity God provided to humanity a final guidance.
final message contain from all basic message of oneness and belief in God and belief in all prophets then a complete global system of establish the divine system on earth according to what God has revealed.
@italiatua God has used he prophets to lead and correct his children, its true some rejected Gods wteachings and warnings... but God also disciplined them as well, there are many cases where you can see Gods judgment and where God allowed false prophets to be killed ...
let's join the truth of our Lord,Who created all of us and you must know we loves jesus christ peace be upon him more then a Christians because we know he is the prophet of Allah and all prophets are choosing by Creator.
@italiatua You may love Jesus but you dont believe in his true identity... thats the real difference between christians and islam - they reject His teachings and personality.. Jesus is eternal, created the heavens and the earth.. all authority has been given to Him - even to judge all of mankind.
islam believes that jesus is only flesh and blood ..if this is true why will jesus come back
@loudmouthspeaker if you think the true nature is what you think in your mind or inherited from forefather then you never get the courage to question with rational mind to find out the truth as muslim we believes in GOD in all his messengers from adam to Muhammad peace be upon him include Jesus Christ peace be upon him.
how you can make argument just on your own understanding leaving behind what we have to use and depend upon. scriptures shows us the truth but we must be careful from addition.
@italiatua its what Gods Word tells us.... Gods scriptures were given to us through His holy spirit...the koran supposedly came through an unknown spirit.... you have these imaginary jinn... and other strange beliefs...
i would ask how can you possibly even believe in jinn....
O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.4:136
as i show you, your own Scripture told us demons and devil so what are these?in arabic language jinn used for these entities.
@italiatua 2_"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ***only*** he who does ***the will of my Father*** who is in heaven.
who is saying LORD LORD to Jesus christ(peace be upon him)?
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
who are those whom prophecy in the name of jesus christ peace be upon him and drive out demons?
@italiatua 3_ Acts 16:18, "And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour." you know who is Paul?
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next verse tell us what will jesus christ(pbuh)say to them.
@italiatua the koran isnt an easy book to understand... its a complicated mixed up book that has been changed.. many things have copied from the bible but non the they have been copied rather badly
@italiatua oh i can answer questions about the errors of islam it just takes a little more time doing it this way... islam has an unproven origin, it was derived from pagan beliefs... its teachings are questionable.. it controls people through fear and intimidation...
how much depth would you like me to go in answering your questions?
@loudmouthspeaker You do not teach muslim about islam and Quran just answer your own believe that it is rational or just invented by some pagan nations and paul.
you said "islam has an unproven origin"then where is the original bible?i mean single version which one you use?
i do not see any depth when i have presented many verses from bible then you always escaped to answer them.
@italiatua these issues are most basic & have been solved numerious times, Paul was chosen by God Him self.... Paul did not choose God.. God confronted Paul... You should know that there is one orignial scripture which has been translated into different languages.. This doesnt mean that the original version has been corupted/ filled with errors... thats a lame excuse.. I could say that an english version of the koran is totally false..
@loudmouthspeaker there is no prophet between muhammad peace be upon him and jesus christ peace be upon him. if he was prophet then why he has no any book or revelation?why he talks only the Gospel of jesus christ because he is not prophet even not the disciple of jesus christ peace be upon him.
So you can invent some thing else to hold or complete your belief.
@italiatua i am not sure what you are trying to say - jesus is Gods son and messanger..jesus states that he would give us Gods spirit to us... to be our teacher and guide... God never said that he would send anyone else... that means that muhammad is clearly false.. You should know that the book of reverlations is totally about Jesus as He is comming back to save Israel and judge mankind....
@loudmouthspeaker 1-God do not has any son all prophets *peace be upon them* are the creation of God then choosing by God in humanity to lead and teach humanity about God and his way and good conduct toward other human being and to accept Creator as owner to obey Him.
you re misleading by false doctrine they changed the entire bible as jews did and thought they are the only sons when jesus christ peace be upon him came to inform them and tell them the truth.
@italiatua 2-jesus christ will came to establish the divine laws on earth he will kill antichrist he will get marriage will have children too then after he will die like every one and the earth will remain with bounty of every kind a long period then again the devil will start to mislead people then no man on earth will remain with faith that is the time when God will destroy the entire universe the recreate everything and every man every man from first to last again that day will be the day ..
get the time to watch the video you will find more information what judgment is and in last you listen also question posed by Christian then answer too.
@italiatua God gave the jews the truth.. it was given to us... do you reject this.... did God give the jews the koran? obviously not..... why is that i wonder? did God make a mistake...no... so then you are left with 2 versions of the truth.... Gods teachings his Word and then the koran...
the koran teaches a vastly different teaching then what jesus taught us ...how is this possible.... its not is it...
@loudmouthspeaker who told you Muslim reject as in last comment i give you a verse from Quran what we Muslim believe but your understanding is so weak then you are not able to grape simple thing.
God never make mistake that we human being make mistake and try to change words of divine laws as we know how it is done in bible.
and you accept and wrote in your profile now you see difference because man changed then GOD restored again everything in Quran.
@italiatua when you give verses from the koran... one must prove that it contains the truth of God... for me the koran contains unproven teachings, it is not from God....there are no clear cut proofs - rather assumptions and a list of names of people that has supposedly written the koran... the koran is a difficult book that has no historical time line unlike Gods Word the bible.. which does
@loudmouthspeaker how you prove when you give verses from bible to people?
may you put some sweet thing upon these verses?
again you are not able to understand that divine books and verse contain rational argument that is if you can not convince people giving them rational argument or thinking then their is no proof at all.
for example when you present your believe and say jUSES CHRIST (pbuh)died for us and your bible contradict it then your belief is not rational.
@italiatua what on earth do you mean? the bible states that Jesus came to die for us to take away our sins and eternal punisment the bible doesnt contradict the obvious teaching... this is why jesus came to die for us... Jesus is the covernant between us and God..
Jews used animal sacrifice to remove the sins from their lives, Jesus died to remove our sins... Your sins arnt paid for ... your sins havnt been dealt with...
@loudmouthspeaker no. it was invented to die for sin,and it contradict the divine laws ,bible,and reason.
you can invent what you want but it is against the revelation and logic.
God can forgive if any one repent to him and it is in bible and Quran,and Abraham did not sacrifice his son for sin but it was a test to see how much he Love Creator that he can give for his love everything and again your all philosophy failed.
@italiatua again you clearly dont understand what you are saying... if you look at the old testement it clearly shows us that God gave the jews the law of animal sacrifice to remove their sins from the, so clearly there is no contradiction as you try to suggest...
God can only forgive those who have accepted jesus as Lord and saviour .. Jesus died to remove my judgment and eternal punishment... if you dont have jesus you dont have forgiveness... islam doesnt work does it
@italiatua islam and the koran came after God gave us His Word.... you know... jesus was the word come in the flesh... they are one and the same.. how is it that if you believe that islam is gods truth..you would have to prove why it is so different...
@loudmouthspeaker 1-which kind of logic is islam and Quran came after then before bible? there are so many nation when Muses say to Pharaoh i am messenger of God then what he ask to muses? or ABRAHAM WHEN TOLD to his father and nation they asked the same question why is different from what our forefather teach us.
word means word you can not make up your own interpretation when God say "BE"THE universe ccome to existence so what is special is you see. when He say to BE THEN man ADAM (PBUH)was
@italiatua the bible tells us spiritual truths about jesus the koran comes along and tells you a very different version... so which one are you going to believe...Jesus is eternal, jesus died for our sins, jesus rose from the dead... tell me why did jesus die...why does jesus sit in heaven right now... why not you prophet?
@loudmouthspeaker Quran tell us the original truth that after jesus Christ peace be upon him they changed all all teaching of prophets in the same way when jesus christ "pbuh"tells to Jews that you are the people whom do not following the divine message.
remember Jesus christ pbuh never died on the cross their is no proof at all and total christianity based on this false assumption.
as i showed your verses from bible what paul said.
for salvation killing your own assumed god is not rational.
@italiatua ok, if you think that Jesus didnt die on the cross then God allowed an innocent man to die on the cross... Wow .. you cant fake a death on a roman cross...you should know this...there is plenty of evidence that jesus died - religious and non religious... look it up you might learn something..
the result of sin is spiritual death and seperation from God.... sin must be punished... Jesus came to pay the price of our sins... whats so hard about that
@italiatua Now you are really in trouble... God has devine laws.. or God wouldnt be God... God does not change..God must abide by his charactor... God laws show us our sins and punishment.. total philosophy supports Gods devine laws both in nature and is the spiritual world..
@loudmouthspeaker when the entire books are missing in one version to other then the onus on you to provide the real bible and answer my question as i ask in last comment before this one.
@italiatua you are talking about the roman catholic bible they contain the apocrypha which are false so whats your point exactly? i can point out abrogation in the koran how verses are allso changed.... so it proves nothing really...
@loudmouthspeaker here we also talk before there is no abrogation in Quran and roman catholic are more honest then any other one because what they found after lost and wars they kept it and they are humble not proud for that reason in Quran God talks about them and their gentle way too.
@italiatua Yes there is, there is plenty of aborgation that has occured over time in the koran... surly you know what has changed and what has been updated in the koran... or do i have to point out a few things... about the subject of abrogation....
@loudmouthspeaker Third time i am saying there is no abrogation the way you think and i remember i give you link to read who invent these things. FIRST READ THE LINK I PROVIDED YOU AFTER READING YOU CAN ASK AS I TOLD YOU ALSO when a new prophet came He provide *renew* all that man try to destroy the word of Creator for worldly gain but the basic message always remain same the Oneness of Creator.
does before Jesus christ peace be upon him prophets like ABRAHAM,OR MUSES (PBUTA) USED GOSPEL?
@italiatua You should realize that without Jesus death we are still spiritually dead, that means we are for ever seperated from God.... we cant reach out to God while we are in sin,. God declares that our works are like filthy rags... God can not and will not accept anything we offer him while we are without Jesus...
People think they can come to God by their own laws and actions.... But God's wrath is towards them... God hates sin and it must be punsished.. without jesus we are all lost
@loudmouthspeaker All are invented by paul THE philosophy you are talking about God do not love evil action and God do not *hate*the attribute belong to human being not to God there is no *must be*as you wrote in comment if God want to put all human being in paradise no one can ask him why?
if he puts every one in hell no one has power to ask him why He did?
YOUR understanding of God is too limited.
He create us and give us by prophets a way to follow if we do He will love us if not ....
@italiatua islam has twisted the true gospel message..no wonder muslims are so confused.. Paul was chosen by God....God taught paul, God hates sin thats obvious God punished man and creation because of the sin of adam and eve...
islam is on a different playing field... its rules and lack of truth is disturbing when you have a look at the actions and beliefs of islam... do you have a personal relationship with God or do you fear God..
@italiatua you should be telling me that the jews used animal sacrfice to remove the sin from their lives, God told them to do that.... its amazing that most muslims wont face up to certain things this... why is that i wonder... animal sacrfice was a big deal to the jews.. so why is it so hard to accept for a muslim...
the bible tells us that we are spirtually dead... you cant repent of your sins...
@italiatua islam is as i have said before a religion that uses fear to control its followers, muslims must obey have you not heard about Gods love... i would hate to live in fear, where woman are controlled and have no freedom, where hands and heads are cut off, where woman are beaten in public.
@loudmouthspeaker We only fear God and only he is worthy to be fear, rest is nothing i mean any creation even hell is nothing because we don not fear hell But God.
Muslim must obey GOD ALL scripture says to obey Only God not creation.
If Muslim do these, then why rape,murdering and child abuse we found in large scale in christian countries?
THE OTHER FACT why 80 to 70% WOMEN accept Islam in west?
@italiatua You do know that hell is eternal punishment total seperation from God.... you tell me you are not affraid of eternal punishment... are you for real? eternal punishment exsists for those that reject jesus... the bible tells us those that reject jesus are allready condemened...
@loudmouthspeaker IF one fear God then there is nothing to fear because hell fire can't harm a true believer.
why i will afraid if i testify the One God only and His ALL prophets.
Unquestionably, [for] the allies of Allah there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.10:62
And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. So whoever believes and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.6:48
@italiatua what you call christian are called secular... they dont believe in God... so what you tell me is totally wrong.... thats a no brainer.... muslims beat their wives in public, muslim wife are second class citizens.. in some muslim villages and town.. muslim woman cant work cant drive cars and most cover their bodies in their black clothing... if they dont some woman are killed...
so who is fooling who.. islam is a fear based religion that exsists to take over countries
@loudmouthspeaker it is simple my friend all critique we see in media all over the world but only hate toward Muslims, no reality and remember.
this is a promise of Allah (God).
It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.933
wait little the light of Islam will inter in every house as prophet muhammad (pbuh)prophesied.
we are witness in every country people accepting Islam.
@italiatua 2-An important thing i want to say that do not say any thing about God if you are not sure or don't know because if you say some thing wrong can harm you.
try to read laws for blasphemy in bible your own book.
if you want the basic understanding of God try to watch this series is long but useful.
Dr. Bilal Philips - Foundations of Islamic Studies (1/21)
without understanding the real concept of God no one can understand any religion.
@italiatua Hi, Just to let you know i have has to change me name to MrLoudmouthspeaker but it is the same old person, So just to answer your question... if you took the time to read the bible it clearly states that God dwells in the believer through the holy spirit... this lack of basic understand shows me you have no idea about new spiritual life at all
@italiatua what cant you grasp? the book of genesis tells us that in the begining was God and Gods spirit that overed over the waters. the bible clearly states there is God, the holy ghost which jesus sent his followers... Gods spirit dwells with in... Looks like i will have to send you some scriptures references..... the problem is you wont except my answers...
@italiatua if you were to read the bible it would show you that there is God, Gods spirit/ the holy ghost and jesus... its actually quite easy to understand the subject of who and what the holy spirit is.... there is ample evidence... the problem is with islam and muslims they have been conditioned not to accept the teaching...
the holy spirit is a subject which the average muslim can not grasp due to their twisted teaching.. no fault of their own
@MrLoudmouthspeaker In 2000 years debating around the globe Cristian theologian yet not concluded these teaching because of twisted by man so many time that now is impossible to understand even a simple word as son as you used*begotten son* then you are saying it is quite easy to understand then using the word*subject*is showing that you don't know exactly what it means.
so now holy spirit is *subject*quit easy to understand.
@italiatua how you define the holy spirit ie theology, dogma, teaching these terms describe the identity, pupose, charactor and nature of the holy spirit.. like you cant lie to the holy spirit because the holy spirit is God...
thats one aspect of the holy spirit... or subject that relates to the holy spirit...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Your all theology is corrupted by man there are so many bibles and gospels every one is different from others so our task is finish here rest will be in front of Our Creator.
@italiatua unlike the koran which has been changed ... translations have become more modern is style but this hasnt changed the message..... still no one knows where the koran came from.....the koran has no proof of origin..
@italiatua What no truth or reality... jeepers.. tell that to the different cultures that have suffered at the hands of muslims who have killed inocent christian and burnt churches ect.... wow are muslims that blind to what is happening... australians are sick of muslims and their push to take over countries...
@italiatua when the media shows us that muslims cut off the heads of people are saying that it didnt happen or that when muslims threaten africa towns who reject islam with murder and killing it never happened....
in australia muslims are verbally assulting australian woman because of what they choose to wear... these actions are totally unaceptable muslims font have the right to force their values on their host country....
dont forget that christians living in muslim countries pay tax
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you want that i show you from bible these verses that deal with violence.
i give you A single verse to disprove all you claim read:
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. ***TAGHUT***any thing that is not from GOD*
@italiatua You say that there is no complusion... Ok what happens to a country that keeps rejecting islams teachings and way of life.... what happens to them? are you saying nothing bad will happen to them? i would say this when the extremists move in like what happened in africa... wouldnt you
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I am not saying it is Quranic verse it means that no one can force anyone your question : what happens to them?
God has convey his last message to humanity throw prophet Muhammad peace be upon him if anyone received message then he didn't accept it then the matter is remain between that person and God we do not condemn anyone to hellfire because we are not judges our obligation is only to convey.
@italiatua so why do muslims extremists come into countries that reject islam and use force to take the country over - you know force people to accept islam.. through muder, fear, bombing.... killing the inocent...who do muslims hate western music, free speach and idea that woman can work, drive cars and divorce woman...
why is it that muslim woman have to live in fear if they dont cover up
@italiatua in what way.... people learn by what they see, when muslims blow up inocent people and use fear and intimidation.... well it speaks volumes doesnt it..
@italiatua oh ok so why do islamic mothers offer their sons to go and blow up innocent people and soldiers... why are these mothers treated as being specially... there sons died for nothing.. and the mothers incourage this horrific thing....
@italiatua so how is sin dealt with ... if you are spiritually dead, imperfect and unrightious before God how can man in that state have any way of becoming acceptable to God.... man cant earn their salvation, they cant buy it... they cant do anything without God.... muslims can not make them selves rightious in Gods eyes because they rely on their own works .. which is totally wrong...
@italiatua islam has changed Gods devine laws... without jesus dieing for us we would be all guilty of our sins and would be judged guilty by God... God being rightious would be justified in sending us all to eternal punishment right now..
Jesus has paid our jail sentence.... through Jesus we have been set free, so the question is who has paid your punishment of sins? if not Jesus then you? well again that work work... God sees all those that reject jesus as beign allready condemened...
@loudmouthspeaker God restore the divine Scripture in Quran and his words by prophet muhammad peace be upon him in the shape of Quran protected for ever no man can change a single word because it is memorized in the hearts of muslims.
as i give you from remaining bible the verses before no man will pay for other every soul is responsible for his deeds that what old testament ,new testament and Quran says rest is invention.
@italiatua there is no proof where the contents of the koran actually came from is there, there is no proof that muhammad received any reverlations from God.... the koran is a book that is basically a poor copy of the bible... there are numerious errors and false teachings that clearly reject Gods Word found in the bible...
why dont you explain how verses in the koran have been updated and changed over time... who has the list of changed verses do you know how many verses have been changed
@loudmouthspeaker Now i see only repetition again copy of bible i do not SAY BECAUSE I SAID before that the new testament is the copy of old testament but invite you to search ancient Egypt then all your philosophy you will find, blood,son of gods,salvation,paganism and many many CHRISTIAN INVENTION FROM THEM.
@italiatua Now thats really funny did islam come from the moon god and moon worship.... i could go into all the details about how pagan islam is and its numerious false beliefs and practices but you wouldnt like that i guess... it makes for a good read.... like the big black square... and the stone throwing exercize....
now i wonder where that all came from... and the special metorite....
@loudmouthspeaker read the first chapter of bible in ARABIC LANGUAGE then tell me how many time word Allah you see?
ARABIC=الله
BIBLEGATEWAY(.)COM
MANY stupid people accused Muslim about these things in reality there is no moon god in Islam.
And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah, who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.4137 quran
@italiatua not sure what you are trying to say here? the koran does contain a level of teachings and information but where did it come from? the contents reject gods message of salvation the koran presents a totally different picture...
if the koran was from God then the message would be the same.. how can you account for the different message found in the koran...God spoke creation into being not through evolution
@loudmouthspeaker it came from God in the same way other prophets received divine massage.
salvation comes from to obey God will as i coated verses from bible in previous comments and in the same way Quran explain.
message is the same to obey God and HE is only one.
that is the entire message of every prophet.
your idea of 6000 thousand years is also wrong there is no proof in bible that earth is 6000 year old so your own argument is unproven EVEN BY Christian.
@italiatua the bible states that salvation come from accepting jesus as your lord and saviour.. salvation comes from personal faith and belief...the bible states that salvation is received through repentance....The law wont save you.. the law only exisists to high light the law of sin and punishment... thats the difference..
you fail to realize how the scriptures were written there are fail safe procedures...
@loudmouthspeaker Bible state salvation comes from obeying God again your excuse of no following the divine laws with out that their is no purpose the divine revelation and prophets.
you said!
i failed to realize how book was written.
where are these books why there are too many version and where is gospel, we know surely that it was giving by jesus christ peace be upon him.
@italiatua The first step in salvation is repenting and accepting jesus as Your lord and saviour - through this you receive Gods new spiritual life with in you...Do You have Gods new spiritual life with in you? have you been transformed from spiritual death to life? does God live with in you? probably not - is God your heavenly Father?
there are not to many versions - versions are written in different languages and styles ... this does not change the meaning or content...
@italiatua jesus was created by the holy spirit, Jesus is eternal, Jesus created the heavens and the earth, God has given jesus all authority and power _ jesus will come back and judged all man at the judgement... seems jesus is more then just a prophet.... Jesus is more then just flesh and blood...
@loudmouthspeaker GREATE why you repeat again and again the same as some one hypnotized you to repeat in life the same thing *flesh,blood,return,... is god,will judge,and holy spirit is an angel not God.
@italiatua the bible gives us plenty of examples of who and what the holy ghost is and let me tell you Gods spirit is clearly no angel... how could you possibly believe this is beyond me.. do you know that God dwells in the believer through the holy spirit... that a believer can be baptised in the holy spirit and use spiritual gifts .. truly islam has no idea who the holy spirit is......
@italiatua thats the difference between christians and islam... You think that prayers and your daily life will some how please God but this is wrong... God will not accept unclean sacrfice... jesus's blood has washed away our sin... jesus was the perfect sinless sacrfice that set us free... jesus's death met Gods requirements of sin and punisment..
if you were going to jail for ever that you would want someone to step in and take your place and pay the price .... i know i would would you?
@loudmouthspeaker So wait until the time came for your imaginary sacrifice and stay happy with you sacrifice with your own supposed god for your salvation.
you wrote *jesus's blood has washed away our sin*
again be happy you washed your sin with the blood of your god.
very cheap way they invented now every thing is paid and you can do what you want.SIN PAID
@italiatua from your reply you still dont understand the true gospel message of Jesus. Jesus has paid the price of our sins but we are tobecome more like Jesus that is call sactification... we have Gods holy spirit who is our teacher and guide... Do you rely on Gods spirit to help you. do you walk in daily in Gods spirit like the bible says?
its amazing how you try and expose something you clearly dont understand..
no matter how you dress up islam it is still a false belief system.. it isnt found in God nor can it... it oppposed God rightiousness at ever level and rejects Gods teachings...
@loudmouthspeaker no matter how you can hide your invention and false belief system the truth will prevail him self because God created truth to destroy falsehood.
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.42:28
and
Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe.21:18 from Quran
@italiatua You should know that islam is the new kid on the block.... God had a living relationship with the Jews God gave them the scriptures...Jesus came to us the Word come in the flesh... the koran is what exactly? its an unkown teaching originiated from what or who... who really knows Gods word tells us nothing of islam or the koran.. why is that..
@loudmouthspeaker God has relation ship with Jews?So way you are not a jew?
God has ration with every human being because He is the only Creator,he gives to every nation prophets and the Quran is His final word to human being and your bubbling can not make any difference as you claim that you know the God's word.
Quran tell us every answer but the repentance is first to the living God.
@italiatua God never prophiced that he would give us another book, the scriptures are the complete work of God.. the bible contains the curse of God who ever adds or takes away from Gods Word will receive the plauges .....to say Gods word change is changed as a way to prove the koran is disception form indeed...
@italiatua I wouldnt place your hopes on this account anymore then muhammad was a real prophet of God... muhammad was given the title by a woman... what was her name? this isnt how prophets are chosen
@loudmouthspeaker you do not have hope as you reject your own scripture now i have uploaded a new video you will find as video response to this video soon.
prophets always choosing by God not from any human being so your claim again failed.
who choose Abraham peace be upon him?
If there was any bible or any prophesy about him?or in the time of noah peace be upon him?
@italiatua what it shows is that muhammad was an unknown.... God had a relationship with noah & abraham
did God ever just once speak to muhammad while he was on earth? No.... muhammad never had a single conversation with God.... now i wonder why that is...
@italiatua didnt the contents of the koran come from a supposed angel from God.... if this fact is true then the message from God is second hand and would prove that God didnt speak directly to muhammad... the koran is written in a third person show me where does the koran have a direct conversion between muhammad and God.... did God speak directly to muhammad in the koran on earth... did God ask muhammad to go and do something?
@loudmouthspeaker 1-Quran came from God. all messenger or angels are not all to disobey God command. JUST take any chapter and read the QURAN you will see who is talking not like bible one can see easily who is speaking btw the gospel is not from Paul,luke,mark,and John?
they ever saw o met jesus christ(peace be upon him).
Do they are the writer of THESE gospels?
OR some one attributed to them for that reason we read all gospels according to......???.
chater 73---O you who wraps himself [in clothing], (1) Arise [to pray] the night, except for a little - (2)
chapter112--Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, (1) Allah, the Eternal Refuge. (2) He neither begets nor is born, (3) Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (4)
God is saying directly to prophet what have to say.
As i was saying no country can prosper under islamic control.. muslims become the victim and are controlled - threatened by violence and fear, how is islam a peacefull religion when islam kills and terrorises inocent people...
@italiatua islam is based on muhammads supposed visitation from an angle... wow not once did he see God or God ever have a one one contact... islam is a poor copy of christianity... even the stories about christianity have been changed...
@loudmouthspeaker No one can see God in this world then your book as you think you know the truth say: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they ***will*** see God. Matthew 5:8
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
it's mean seeing a prophet is seeing God.
but you have other meaning as you said:even the stories about christianity have been changed..
@italiatua lets refraise it... did God every speak to muhammad when he was on earth? answer no... did muhammad ever receieve a prophecy/ inspired teaching directly from God... answer No.... humammad was given this "new" teaching from an unknown spirit.... wheres your proof.. answer none
Muhammad peace be upon him received revelation in same way other prophets received.
this is the basic rule for inspiration:
And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.42:51
@italiatua You should take the time to read the old testement and see how God revealed his will to his people.. islam has not proved that muhammad received his teachings from the angle.... i just read Gods inspired Word which was given to his choosen people...
@loudmouthspeaker first tell which copy of bible or words of God you are taking about it is possible that you guys take and put words in revelation then call him the word of God?
comes more beauty when you discard discard many books as Apocrypha yet you here and talk about god's word.
with version you use exactly with 72 books or less?
@italiatua you should realise that the apocrypha wasnt inspired like the rest of the scriptures. the apocrypha contains many errors and even states that they arnt inspired... so - much for that point i guess.. the old testement is standard isnt it... what else do you want to know
@italiatua wow, this is basic stuff, the apocrypha states that it isnt inspired, the books contain many mistakes.. the books reject the books of the bible... its quite simple really. all teaching must line up with Gods inspired scriptures..
@loudmouthspeaker your are fooling yourself the authority is Creator himself and He is not a mAn any revelation comes from God then He conform it WHEN ANY ONE ask him he show him the way and Jesus christ is under your own belief once died if you think that God can died then again you are fooling himself.
as yet you are not able to answer a single question i ask you then came here to for spamming your delusion.
learn the different between *Creator* and creature,any creature never will Creator.
@italiatua You see islam can never understand Jesus nor God because it is not from God... those that arnt spiritual born again by the spirit of God are spiritually dead they cant understand spiritual teachings...how can some belief which is spiritual dead understand the living God.... its an oxymoron...
@loudmouthspeaker i have found many like you saying they are born spiritual yet believing that everyone born with sin against bible teaching. you can hide you delusion saying about Islam wrong things but it can not save you.
i know why you guy do it or say it because when you do not find any proof for your position in bible because bible teaching also goes against your pagan belief and invented false assertion.
Just ask to living God(Creator) not any creation because He can guide Only.
@italiatua how can you claim to know the truth when islam isnt from God... God never created it the koran also isnt from God... God never revealed any further teaching to us after Jesus came and died for us... jesus gave us the holy ghost to teach and lead us..not some fasle book called the koran
@loudmouthspeaker you can make your claim just for yourself if you want that people know these thing then you have to prove it using logic and reason then your original book unfortunately they changed it a lot.
Jesus never died on cross and sin born is your invention has nothing to do with Christ teaching.
Holy ghost is arc-angel GOD many times send his revelation by his angel.
where is your holy ghost?claiming?
Quran conform jesus christ(pbuh)and his prophethood.
@italiatua Wow why is it that muslims keep useing the same old arguments to dissprove the true identity of jesus is.... there is religious and non religious evidence that jesus died and rose again - you must disagree..
the scriptures refute you explaination that Gods spirit is an arc angel... this defies scriptures... very sad indeed.
jesus gave all true believers the holy spirit the same holy spirit that fell apon jesus when he was baptised in water... or did you forget...
where he say in clear word *i am god*?surly you are assuming.
he never died on cross.
there is no real Scripture what you are holding on because of your hand committed the biggest crime against the divine scripture and yet you are trying to say you are know the truth.
i ask where is this holy spirit?
if you have then prove it or show us but you don't have and ever will be,because you say god is a man.
@italiatua what you should do is look at all the verses in the bible that describe jesus.... you would tell me the same thing for your muhammad... you should know the answers about jesus.. he is eternal, he created the heavens he will judge all mankind ect ect...
@italiatua jesus is totally human is he? No... the bible states that jesus is the word come in the flesh....Jesus was created by the holy spirit.... wow..... humahammad is dead in the grave and jesus sits at the right hand of God and will come back and judge mankind.. jesus has been give all authority unlike muhammad.... so who is fooling who
@loudmouthspeaker Allah said: Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.3:59
make your own illusion if he is god as you mention many time then with whom he is setting at right hand?
think about it you own imagination is wrong. who is...
@italiatua talk about imagination lets talk about jinn, now thats a good subject.... dont falling stars stop jinn from listening to what is being said in heaven? Now who dreamed that idea up.. i think jinn are imaginary.... can anyone find them...where they live.. what they eat...
shouldnt point fingers at the truth of jesus when islam believe these strange things
its shocking to think that islamic kids are taught to hate the west and that its ok to kill and be killed in the service of islam
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker it is not true.
italiatua 1 year ago
must muslims hate the media because it reveals the true nature of islam ..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Muslim do not hate media but the media is brain washing people and stopping the word of Allah to reaches humanity.
in other hand preacher like you giving false information about islam as i watched a video on your channel.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua there are many videos and news paper articles that expose the true nature of islam... are you saying that there is no video that contains the truth about islam in regards to their actions of mis treating people. what about england where they have shari law
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Why not you grape that when any man or people will follow the command of Creator they will be persecuted every where as in past with jesus christ peace be upon him and his true follower in first century and with prophet muhammad peace be upon him.
So The point is these are irrelevant until first *one* must understand who God is.
with out it there is no meaning.
i provide you link but you don't want to understand.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua the fist part is right but muahammad isnt a prophet from God.... didnt someone else claim and called muhammad a prophet ..it was from God but from a person that didnt know god.... its not possible
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker to be a prophet no need to be as you said *called* when God choose a person it automatically become a prophet so there is no need for anything Did Jesus Christ peace be upon him not said or who is the person here?
just to remind you.
john 14:26
john 15:26 and 16:7
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua God didnt call muhammad... did God ever have personal contact with your prophet? did God God speak one on one with your prohet? what guidence did your prophet receive? where did the teaching come from?
look at moses -he had a relationship with God - did your prophet?
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Quran is the speech of Almighty a single book without any corruption,protected by Allah Almighty.
We accept as Muslim as the last message, for you is your and for Us is our way.thanks for all your time.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua oh really, why is the koran written in a third person context...this koran is jumbled and is a difficult book....unlike the bible..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker As i said read your easy book.
italiatua 1 year ago
how is it that Gods sciptures doesnt hold any teaching of islam ... do muslims say that God got it all wrong? wow islam isnt from God of the bible... the god of islam must be a different god....
if islam refutes God or jesus in his true nature then it must be false
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker you even don't know Islam means submit to the Creator of all existence and that is done by every prophet for that reason God used the term islam=submission.
again your god and my god, these are your assertions.
very funny if islam refutes God or jesus...
why not you say if muslim refuse that what i s think then it must be false????
that you want?
you also want that church also do too because you only know the real christianity that invented 325 ac by some groups.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua You say islam means submit to God, so what..... catholic means the same, Gods Word used the name christian..... there is no islam anywhere ... why is that i wonder... islam was derived from many false pagan gods... its a corupt belief system... islam contain many pagan beliefs and practices
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker catholic means=a member of a Catholic church not submission to God.
and more:
The word Christianity is never mentioned in the Bible. However, the word Christian is mentioned in Acts 11:26 and I Peter 4:16
stop your deluded logic present proof if you any.
does god can be born?or can be die?
man can be god? in buddhism the answer will be yes, but your answer will ???
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua Yes thats right thanks for pointing out to me that Gods scriptures use the word Christian for people who have accepted the God of the bible..... so there is no mention of islam or the koran anywhere is there... I could present proofs from the bible but you would simply say that the bible has changed over time and now contains many errors...
to answer that i would say the koran has also been re written...fancy that
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker the Christian accept about bible is changed and take out and in many things as they want the biggest change in 325 C.E., the Nicene Council so you can not have to prove nothing from bible.
QURAN is protected copy as one and we rely on entire memorize quran from the day of prophet peace be upon him and there are so many muslim memorized entire Quran from first word to last word in their hearts.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua everyone knows the koran has changed... surly you know about that thing called aborgation: None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
Muslim scholars of old hold to the concept that some ayahs in the Quran abrogate other ayahs in the Quran, but do not all hold to the same set of abrogated and abrogating ayahs.
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker so you take the topic of abrogation then here is the reference what God abrogated in realty not Quran."Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them......." 5:48
you can find more detail here on google:
The Lie Of Quranic Abrogation Free Quran Online
have a nice reading.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua so are you saying that God isnt perfect? that God gave the wrong spiritual information in the koran that it had to be rubbed out and re written? is that what you are saying? if this is true there must be a list of all the verese that God changed and re wrote.. do you have such a list of veses and if so how mony other people have the same knowledge....
these changes would cause lots of trouble wouldnt it?
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker you has said it not me God gives his message to every nation and final message to mankind before prophets was send to all tribes persist for a specified period of time then in the peak of humanity God provided to humanity a final guidance.
final message contain from all basic message of oneness and belief in God and belief in all prophets then a complete global system of establish the divine system on earth according to what God has revealed.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua God has used he prophets to lead and correct his children, its true some rejected Gods wteachings and warnings... but God also disciplined them as well, there are many cases where you can see Gods judgment and where God allowed false prophets to be killed ...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker
Hi man!
let's join the truth of our Lord,Who created all of us and you must know we loves jesus christ peace be upon him more then a Christians because we know he is the prophet of Allah and all prophets are choosing by Creator.
peace be upon them all.
please watch the testimony:
watch?v=nCFYefCyiac
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua You may love Jesus but you dont believe in his true identity... thats the real difference between christians and islam - they reject His teachings and personality.. Jesus is eternal, created the heavens and the earth.. all authority has been given to Him - even to judge all of mankind.
islam believes that jesus is only flesh and blood ..if this is true why will jesus come back
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker if you think the true nature is what you think in your mind or inherited from forefather then you never get the courage to question with rational mind to find out the truth as muslim we believes in GOD in all his messengers from adam to Muhammad peace be upon him include Jesus Christ peace be upon him.
how you can make argument just on your own understanding leaving behind what we have to use and depend upon. scriptures shows us the truth but we must be careful from addition.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua its what Gods Word tells us.... Gods scriptures were given to us through His holy spirit...the koran supposedly came through an unknown spirit.... you have these imaginary jinn... and other strange beliefs...
i would ask how can you possibly even believe in jinn....
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker 1_quran make everything very easy and says:
O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.4:136
as i show you, your own Scripture told us demons and devil so what are these?in arabic language jinn used for these entities.
please explain: next comment
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua 2_"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ***only*** he who does ***the will of my Father*** who is in heaven.
who is saying LORD LORD to Jesus christ(peace be upon him)?
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
who are those whom prophecy in the name of jesus christ peace be upon him and drive out demons?
google: Using the name of Jesus
and
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua 3_ Acts 16:18, "And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour." you know who is Paul?
watch?v=4QXuEbSYntw&feature=related
watch?v=_GAUuarhvo4&feature=more_related
next verse tell us what will jesus christ(pbuh)say to them.
Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, '***I never knew you****. Away from me, you evildoers!'
you see how some verse provides..
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua 4_if jesus christ peace be upon him is god the why he said in the verse **i never know you**?
God is all knowing.
then those who cast devil using the *name* of jesus christ are *evildoers* or not?
also your question is answered from bible about jinn or demons too.
and how will the emotion when jesus christ peace be upon him will say :
Matthew 7:23 ....... away from me......?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua the koran isnt an easy book to understand... its a complicated mixed up book that has been changed.. many things have copied from the bible but non the they have been copied rather badly
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker without answering a single question from bible you make assumptions that is you.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua oh i can answer questions about the errors of islam it just takes a little more time doing it this way... islam has an unproven origin, it was derived from pagan beliefs... its teachings are questionable.. it controls people through fear and intimidation...
how much depth would you like me to go in answering your questions?
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker You do not teach muslim about islam and Quran just answer your own believe that it is rational or just invented by some pagan nations and paul.
you said "islam has an unproven origin"then where is the original bible?i mean single version which one you use?
i do not see any depth when i have presented many verses from bible then you always escaped to answer them.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua these issues are most basic & have been solved numerious times, Paul was chosen by God Him self.... Paul did not choose God.. God confronted Paul... You should know that there is one orignial scripture which has been translated into different languages.. This doesnt mean that the original version has been corupted/ filled with errors... thats a lame excuse.. I could say that an english version of the koran is totally false..
Paul became a teacher of God
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker there is no prophet between muhammad peace be upon him and jesus christ peace be upon him. if he was prophet then why he has no any book or revelation?why he talks only the Gospel of jesus christ because he is not prophet even not the disciple of jesus christ peace be upon him.
So you can invent some thing else to hold or complete your belief.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua i am not sure what you are trying to say - jesus is Gods son and messanger..jesus states that he would give us Gods spirit to us... to be our teacher and guide... God never said that he would send anyone else... that means that muhammad is clearly false.. You should know that the book of reverlations is totally about Jesus as He is comming back to save Israel and judge mankind....
you need to check your facts again
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker 1-God do not has any son all prophets *peace be upon them* are the creation of God then choosing by God in humanity to lead and teach humanity about God and his way and good conduct toward other human being and to accept Creator as owner to obey Him.
you re misleading by false doctrine they changed the entire bible as jews did and thought they are the only sons when jesus christ peace be upon him came to inform them and tell them the truth.
judgment is not like that what you...
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua 2-jesus christ will came to establish the divine laws on earth he will kill antichrist he will get marriage will have children too then after he will die like every one and the earth will remain with bounty of every kind a long period then again the devil will start to mislead people then no man on earth will remain with faith that is the time when God will destroy the entire universe the recreate everything and every man every man from first to last again that day will be the day ..
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua 3-.. of judgment.
get the time to watch the video you will find more information what judgment is and in last you listen also question posed by Christian then answer too.
watch?v=0FuEHZawXcw
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua God gave the jews the truth.. it was given to us... do you reject this.... did God give the jews the koran? obviously not..... why is that i wonder? did God make a mistake...no... so then you are left with 2 versions of the truth.... Gods teachings his Word and then the koran...
the koran teaches a vastly different teaching then what jesus taught us ...how is this possible.... its not is it...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker who told you Muslim reject as in last comment i give you a verse from Quran what we Muslim believe but your understanding is so weak then you are not able to grape simple thing.
God never make mistake that we human being make mistake and try to change words of divine laws as we know how it is done in bible.
and you accept and wrote in your profile now you see difference because man changed then GOD restored again everything in Quran.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua when you give verses from the koran... one must prove that it contains the truth of God... for me the koran contains unproven teachings, it is not from God....there are no clear cut proofs - rather assumptions and a list of names of people that has supposedly written the koran... the koran is a difficult book that has no historical time line unlike Gods Word the bible.. which does
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker how you prove when you give verses from bible to people?
may you put some sweet thing upon these verses?
again you are not able to understand that divine books and verse contain rational argument that is if you can not convince people giving them rational argument or thinking then their is no proof at all.
for example when you present your believe and say jUSES CHRIST (pbuh)died for us and your bible contradict it then your belief is not rational.
so unproven.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua what on earth do you mean? the bible states that Jesus came to die for us to take away our sins and eternal punisment the bible doesnt contradict the obvious teaching... this is why jesus came to die for us... Jesus is the covernant between us and God..
Jews used animal sacrifice to remove the sins from their lives, Jesus died to remove our sins... Your sins arnt paid for ... your sins havnt been dealt with...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker no. it was invented to die for sin,and it contradict the divine laws ,bible,and reason.
you can invent what you want but it is against the revelation and logic.
God can forgive if any one repent to him and it is in bible and Quran,and Abraham did not sacrifice his son for sin but it was a test to see how much he Love Creator that he can give for his love everything and again your all philosophy failed.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua again you clearly dont understand what you are saying... if you look at the old testement it clearly shows us that God gave the jews the law of animal sacrifice to remove their sins from the, so clearly there is no contradiction as you try to suggest...
God can only forgive those who have accepted jesus as Lord and saviour .. Jesus died to remove my judgment and eternal punishment... if you dont have jesus you dont have forgiveness... islam doesnt work does it
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@italiatua islam and the koran came after God gave us His Word.... you know... jesus was the word come in the flesh... they are one and the same.. how is it that if you believe that islam is gods truth..you would have to prove why it is so different...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker 1-which kind of logic is islam and Quran came after then before bible? there are so many nation when Muses say to Pharaoh i am messenger of God then what he ask to muses? or ABRAHAM WHEN TOLD to his father and nation they asked the same question why is different from what our forefather teach us.
word means word you can not make up your own interpretation when God say "BE"THE universe ccome to existence so what is special is you see. when He say to BE THEN man ADAM (PBUH)was
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua was there in the same way He said BE then jesus CHRIST (PBUH)was.
why you people make up strange things in your mind?
just to hold on what you thought from childhood is not?
how a man, when has a beginning become an infinite GOD?
WHY YOUR THINKING ARE SO LIMITED?
why you can not differentiate God all powerful ever living from creation?
Did jesus christ (pbuh)is ever living?
PLEASE THINK HONESTLY.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua the bible tells us spiritual truths about jesus the koran comes along and tells you a very different version... so which one are you going to believe...Jesus is eternal, jesus died for our sins, jesus rose from the dead... tell me why did jesus die...why does jesus sit in heaven right now... why not you prophet?
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker Quran tell us the original truth that after jesus Christ peace be upon him they changed all all teaching of prophets in the same way when jesus christ "pbuh"tells to Jews that you are the people whom do not following the divine message.
remember Jesus christ pbuh never died on the cross their is no proof at all and total christianity based on this false assumption.
as i showed your verses from bible what paul said.
for salvation killing your own assumed god is not rational.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua ok, if you think that Jesus didnt die on the cross then God allowed an innocent man to die on the cross... Wow .. you cant fake a death on a roman cross...you should know this...there is plenty of evidence that jesus died - religious and non religious... look it up you might learn something..
the result of sin is spiritual death and seperation from God.... sin must be punished... Jesus came to pay the price of our sins... whats so hard about that
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker these are all delusional invention God forgive sin just repent to him.
the easiest way because God know everything even what we think in our heart.
total philosophy goes against divine laws and teaching even against bible.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua Now you are really in trouble... God has devine laws.. or God wouldnt be God... God does not change..God must abide by his charactor... God laws show us our sins and punishment.. total philosophy supports Gods devine laws both in nature and is the spiritual world..
what you tell me totally wrong...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker when the entire books are missing in one version to other then the onus on you to provide the real bible and answer my question as i ask in last comment before this one.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua you are talking about the roman catholic bible they contain the apocrypha which are false so whats your point exactly? i can point out abrogation in the koran how verses are allso changed.... so it proves nothing really...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker here we also talk before there is no abrogation in Quran and roman catholic are more honest then any other one because what they found after lost and wars they kept it and they are humble not proud for that reason in Quran God talks about them and their gentle way too.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua Yes there is, there is plenty of aborgation that has occured over time in the koran... surly you know what has changed and what has been updated in the koran... or do i have to point out a few things... about the subject of abrogation....
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker Third time i am saying there is no abrogation the way you think and i remember i give you link to read who invent these things. FIRST READ THE LINK I PROVIDED YOU AFTER READING YOU CAN ASK AS I TOLD YOU ALSO when a new prophet came He provide *renew* all that man try to destroy the word of Creator for worldly gain but the basic message always remain same the Oneness of Creator.
does before Jesus christ peace be upon him prophets like ABRAHAM,OR MUSES (PBUTA) USED GOSPEL?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua You should realize that without Jesus death we are still spiritually dead, that means we are for ever seperated from God.... we cant reach out to God while we are in sin,. God declares that our works are like filthy rags... God can not and will not accept anything we offer him while we are without Jesus...
People think they can come to God by their own laws and actions.... But God's wrath is towards them... God hates sin and it must be punsished.. without jesus we are all lost
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker All are invented by paul THE philosophy you are talking about God do not love evil action and God do not *hate*the attribute belong to human being not to God there is no *must be*as you wrote in comment if God want to put all human being in paradise no one can ask him why?
if he puts every one in hell no one has power to ask him why He did?
YOUR understanding of God is too limited.
He create us and give us by prophets a way to follow if we do He will love us if not ....
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua islam has twisted the true gospel message..no wonder muslims are so confused.. Paul was chosen by God....God taught paul, God hates sin thats obvious God punished man and creation because of the sin of adam and eve...
islam is on a different playing field... its rules and lack of truth is disturbing when you have a look at the actions and beliefs of islam... do you have a personal relationship with God or do you fear God..
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker ISLAM or that you and your doctrine those whom changed the word of Creator the you are accusing Islam.
you no make sense may i exposed and shacked your hypnotized belief.
again sin when any one do a sin simply repent to God as ADAM did.
it seem to you different because some one put things in your mind so deep may when you was too small.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua you should be telling me that the jews used animal sacrfice to remove the sin from their lives, God told them to do that.... its amazing that most muslims wont face up to certain things this... why is that i wonder... animal sacrfice was a big deal to the jews.. so why is it so hard to accept for a muslim...
the bible tells us that we are spirtually dead... you cant repent of your sins...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker So then he decide to scarify his son?
before you said that you have holy spirit and holy ghost and now saying we are spiritually dead,you seem to me a contradictory person.
You know every year how many animals sacrifice by Muslims in the world?
Do a search BUT you are not able to understand the wisdom of sacrifice do a search for it too.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua islam is as i have said before a religion that uses fear to control its followers, muslims must obey have you not heard about Gods love... i would hate to live in fear, where woman are controlled and have no freedom, where hands and heads are cut off, where woman are beaten in public.
did jesus come and teach these things.... No
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker We only fear God and only he is worthy to be fear, rest is nothing i mean any creation even hell is nothing because we don not fear hell But God.
Muslim must obey GOD ALL scripture says to obey Only God not creation.
If Muslim do these, then why rape,murdering and child abuse we found in large scale in christian countries?
THE OTHER FACT why 80 to 70% WOMEN accept Islam in west?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua You do know that hell is eternal punishment total seperation from God.... you tell me you are not affraid of eternal punishment... are you for real? eternal punishment exsists for those that reject jesus... the bible tells us those that reject jesus are allready condemened...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker IF one fear God then there is nothing to fear because hell fire can't harm a true believer.
why i will afraid if i testify the One God only and His ALL prophets.
Unquestionably, [for] the allies of Allah there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.10:62
And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. So whoever believes and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.6:48
quran
i have many verses.....
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua what you call christian are called secular... they dont believe in God... so what you tell me is totally wrong.... thats a no brainer.... muslims beat their wives in public, muslim wife are second class citizens.. in some muslim villages and town.. muslim woman cant work cant drive cars and most cover their bodies in their black clothing... if they dont some woman are killed...
so who is fooling who.. islam is a fear based religion that exsists to take over countries
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker it is simple my friend all critique we see in media all over the world but only hate toward Muslims, no reality and remember.
this is a promise of Allah (God).
It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.933
wait little the light of Islam will inter in every house as prophet muhammad (pbuh)prophesied.
we are witness in every country people accepting Islam.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua 2-An important thing i want to say that do not say any thing about God if you are not sure or don't know because if you say some thing wrong can harm you.
try to read laws for blasphemy in bible your own book.
if you want the basic understanding of God try to watch this series is long but useful.
Dr. Bilal Philips - Foundations of Islamic Studies (1/21)
without understanding the real concept of God no one can understand any religion.
So please avoid wrong things to say about Creator
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua Hi, Just to let you know i have has to change me name to MrLoudmouthspeaker but it is the same old person, So just to answer your question... if you took the time to read the bible it clearly states that God dwells in the believer through the holy spirit... this lack of basic understand shows me you have no idea about new spiritual life at all
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you as usually escape the answer so againt.
So holy ghost and God spirit are two or same or one?
he dwell through the holy spirit?
then we will talk about dwell too.
so answer.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua what cant you grasp? the book of genesis tells us that in the begining was God and Gods spirit that overed over the waters. the bible clearly states there is God, the holy ghost which jesus sent his followers... Gods spirit dwells with in... Looks like i will have to send you some scriptures references..... the problem is you wont except my answers...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker SO WHAT IS THIS HOLY GHOST?
you just playing with word with out explaining what i am asking.
what is holy ghost?
is different from god?
or they same?
you are confused to explain, god send holy ghost to whom?jesus christ (pbuh)send holy ghost to *all his* followers?there are how many ghost?
as i said you have to clarify before we go to next step.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua if you were to read the bible it would show you that there is God, Gods spirit/ the holy ghost and jesus... its actually quite easy to understand the subject of who and what the holy spirit is.... there is ample evidence... the problem is with islam and muslims they have been conditioned not to accept the teaching...
the holy spirit is a subject which the average muslim can not grasp due to their twisted teaching.. no fault of their own
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker In 2000 years debating around the globe Cristian theologian yet not concluded these teaching because of twisted by man so many time that now is impossible to understand even a simple word as son as you used*begotten son* then you are saying it is quite easy to understand then using the word*subject*is showing that you don't know exactly what it means.
so now holy spirit is *subject*quit easy to understand.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua how you define the holy spirit ie theology, dogma, teaching these terms describe the identity, pupose, charactor and nature of the holy spirit.. like you cant lie to the holy spirit because the holy spirit is God...
thats one aspect of the holy spirit... or subject that relates to the holy spirit...
is that better for you
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Your all theology is corrupted by man there are so many bibles and gospels every one is different from others so our task is finish here rest will be in front of Our Creator.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua unlike the koran which has been changed ... translations have become more modern is style but this hasnt changed the message..... still no one knows where the koran came from.....the koran has no proof of origin..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@italiatua What no truth or reality... jeepers.. tell that to the different cultures that have suffered at the hands of muslims who have killed inocent christian and burnt churches ect.... wow are muslims that blind to what is happening... australians are sick of muslims and their push to take over countries...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Why you can not stay on a single thing just jumping from one topic to other.
if you watch brain washing video or TV channel then your conclusion will always based on misinformation.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua when the media shows us that muslims cut off the heads of people are saying that it didnt happen or that when muslims threaten africa towns who reject islam with murder and killing it never happened....
in australia muslims are verbally assulting australian woman because of what they choose to wear... these actions are totally unaceptable muslims font have the right to force their values on their host country....
dont forget that christians living in muslim countries pay tax
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you want that i show you from bible these verses that deal with violence.
i give you A single verse to disprove all you claim read:
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. ***TAGHUT***any thing that is not from GOD*
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua You say that there is no complusion... Ok what happens to a country that keeps rejecting islams teachings and way of life.... what happens to them? are you saying nothing bad will happen to them? i would say this when the extremists move in like what happened in africa... wouldnt you
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I am not saying it is Quranic verse it means that no one can force anyone your question : what happens to them?
God has convey his last message to humanity throw prophet Muhammad peace be upon him if anyone received message then he didn't accept it then the matter is remain between that person and God we do not condemn anyone to hellfire because we are not judges our obligation is only to convey.
(((....happened in Africa?)))
what you want to say in that passage?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua so why do muslims extremists come into countries that reject islam and use force to take the country over - you know force people to accept islam.. through muder, fear, bombing.... killing the inocent...who do muslims hate western music, free speach and idea that woman can work, drive cars and divorce woman...
why is it that muslim woman have to live in fear if they dont cover up
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker propaganda even a single accusation doesn't belong to the teaching of Islam.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua in what way.... people learn by what they see, when muslims blow up inocent people and use fear and intimidation.... well it speaks volumes doesnt it..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Muslim can not kill innocent people reason is that you see fox news and CNN for information not Islam and Islamic teaching.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua oh ok so why do islamic mothers offer their sons to go and blow up innocent people and soldiers... why are these mothers treated as being specially... there sons died for nothing.. and the mothers incourage this horrific thing....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker IF YOU use your time to read your book may one day you will be able to figure out the mystery.
I think we have done YOUR COMMENT present Just TV NEWS information not Islam as i said in previous comment.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua you get a good idea from you tube ,just take the time and listen to the teachers they condem them selves
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I will soon upload a new play list named *Christianity*and you are invited to see these videos.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua that sounds really good i look forward to them.
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker FIRST VIDEO:watch?v=8E7nVTbepWs&feature=channel_video_title
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua so how is sin dealt with ... if you are spiritually dead, imperfect and unrightious before God how can man in that state have any way of becoming acceptable to God.... man cant earn their salvation, they cant buy it... they cant do anything without God.... muslims can not make them selves rightious in Gods eyes because they rely on their own works .. which is totally wrong...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker when one will repent sincerely with heart to God he will forgive every sin done by man.
it not means one repent then go again and repeat again.
everything comes from mercy of God but again we need to follow what He said to Do.
Muslim do not rely on their works but mercy of God.
watch for deep concept about sin.
watch?v=5G1Cyj7gt9k
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua islam has changed Gods devine laws... without jesus dieing for us we would be all guilty of our sins and would be judged guilty by God... God being rightious would be justified in sending us all to eternal punishment right now..
Jesus has paid our jail sentence.... through Jesus we have been set free, so the question is who has paid your punishment of sins? if not Jesus then you? well again that work work... God sees all those that reject jesus as beign allready condemened...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker God restore the divine Scripture in Quran and his words by prophet muhammad peace be upon him in the shape of Quran protected for ever no man can change a single word because it is memorized in the hearts of muslims.
as i give you from remaining bible the verses before no man will pay for other every soul is responsible for his deeds that what old testament ,new testament and Quran says rest is invention.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua there is no proof where the contents of the koran actually came from is there, there is no proof that muhammad received any reverlations from God.... the koran is a book that is basically a poor copy of the bible... there are numerious errors and false teachings that clearly reject Gods Word found in the bible...
why dont you explain how verses in the koran have been updated and changed over time... who has the list of changed verses do you know how many verses have been changed
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker Now i see only repetition again copy of bible i do not SAY BECAUSE I SAID before that the new testament is the copy of old testament but invite you to search ancient Egypt then all your philosophy you will find, blood,son of gods,salvation,paganism and many many CHRISTIAN INVENTION FROM THEM.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua Now thats really funny did islam come from the moon god and moon worship.... i could go into all the details about how pagan islam is and its numerious false beliefs and practices but you wouldnt like that i guess... it makes for a good read.... like the big black square... and the stone throwing exercize....
now i wonder where that all came from... and the special metorite....
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker read the first chapter of bible in ARABIC LANGUAGE then tell me how many time word Allah you see?
ARABIC=الله
BIBLEGATEWAY(.)COM
MANY stupid people accused Muslim about these things in reality there is no moon god in Islam.
And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah, who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.4137 quran
no creation worship in ISLAM.
do YOU understand it is simple.
italiatua 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@italiatua not sure what you are trying to say here? the koran does contain a level of teachings and information but where did it come from? the contents reject gods message of salvation the koran presents a totally different picture...
if the koran was from God then the message would be the same.. how can you account for the different message found in the koran...God spoke creation into being not through evolution
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker it came from God in the same way other prophets received divine massage.
salvation comes from to obey God will as i coated verses from bible in previous comments and in the same way Quran explain.
message is the same to obey God and HE is only one.
that is the entire message of every prophet.
your idea of 6000 thousand years is also wrong there is no proof in bible that earth is 6000 year old so your own argument is unproven EVEN BY Christian.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua the bible states that salvation come from accepting jesus as your lord and saviour.. salvation comes from personal faith and belief...the bible states that salvation is received through repentance....The law wont save you.. the law only exisists to high light the law of sin and punishment... thats the difference..
you fail to realize how the scriptures were written there are fail safe procedures...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker Bible state salvation comes from obeying God again your excuse of no following the divine laws with out that their is no purpose the divine revelation and prophets.
you said!
i failed to realize how book was written.
where are these books why there are too many version and where is gospel, we know surely that it was giving by jesus christ peace be upon him.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua The first step in salvation is repenting and accepting jesus as Your lord and saviour - through this you receive Gods new spiritual life with in you...Do You have Gods new spiritual life with in you? have you been transformed from spiritual death to life? does God live with in you? probably not - is God your heavenly Father?
there are not to many versions - versions are written in different languages and styles ... this does not change the meaning or content...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker again and again the same story jesus christ peace be upon him is a prophet choosing by God not god.
there is no spiritual life with out knowing the Creator of the heavens and earth as *unique*,*one* and *only* with out any partner.
you can cheat your self about versions not me. how many books contain your bible?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua jesus was created by the holy spirit, Jesus is eternal, Jesus created the heavens and the earth, God has given jesus all authority and power _ jesus will come back and judged all man at the judgement... seems jesus is more then just a prophet.... Jesus is more then just flesh and blood...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker GREATE why you repeat again and again the same as some one hypnotized you to repeat in life the same thing *flesh,blood,return,... is god,will judge,and holy spirit is an angel not God.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua the bible gives us plenty of examples of who and what the holy ghost is and let me tell you Gods spirit is clearly no angel... how could you possibly believe this is beyond me.. do you know that God dwells in the believer through the holy spirit... that a believer can be baptised in the holy spirit and use spiritual gifts .. truly islam has no idea who the holy spirit is......
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker So holy ghost and God spirit are two or same or one?
does god dwells in believer?
then again he dwell through the holy spirit?
what non sense you are talking about if you don't know about God then ask some one please do not write these stupid things here.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua thats the difference between christians and islam... You think that prayers and your daily life will some how please God but this is wrong... God will not accept unclean sacrfice... jesus's blood has washed away our sin... jesus was the perfect sinless sacrfice that set us free... jesus's death met Gods requirements of sin and punisment..
if you were going to jail for ever that you would want someone to step in and take your place and pay the price .... i know i would would you?
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker So wait until the time came for your imaginary sacrifice and stay happy with you sacrifice with your own supposed god for your salvation.
you wrote *jesus's blood has washed away our sin*
again be happy you washed your sin with the blood of your god.
very cheap way they invented now every thing is paid and you can do what you want.SIN PAID
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua from your reply you still dont understand the true gospel message of Jesus. Jesus has paid the price of our sins but we are tobecome more like Jesus that is call sactification... we have Gods holy spirit who is our teacher and guide... Do you rely on Gods spirit to help you. do you walk in daily in Gods spirit like the bible says?
its amazing how you try and expose something you clearly dont understand..
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker many Christian sects claim they have the spirit to accuse other sect.funny
here i found today this one:
watch?v=Ag-ssVghzr0
italiatua 1 year ago
no matter how you dress up islam it is still a false belief system.. it isnt found in God nor can it... it oppposed God rightiousness at ever level and rejects Gods teachings...
its simple
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker no matter how you can hide your invention and false belief system the truth will prevail him self because God created truth to destroy falsehood.
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.42:28
and
Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe.21:18 from Quran
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua You should know that islam is the new kid on the block.... God had a living relationship with the Jews God gave them the scriptures...Jesus came to us the Word come in the flesh... the koran is what exactly? its an unkown teaching originiated from what or who... who really knows Gods word tells us nothing of islam or the koran.. why is that..
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker God has relation ship with Jews?So way you are not a jew?
God has ration with every human being because He is the only Creator,he gives to every nation prophets and the Quran is His final word to human being and your bubbling can not make any difference as you claim that you know the God's word.
Quran tell us every answer but the repentance is first to the living God.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua God never prophiced that he would give us another book, the scriptures are the complete work of God.. the bible contains the curse of God who ever adds or takes away from Gods Word will receive the plauges .....to say Gods word change is changed as a way to prove the koran is disception form indeed...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker bible says in many places but this one is hummer for you.
Prophet Isaiah peace be upon him prophesied that two leaders whom he called "Chariot" would come -- one riding a donkey, and another riding a camel:
Who are the "couple of horsemen"? They are Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them. Let us see the proof.........................
you can check out more on google.
about bible is changed not because of God but you and your scholars do it and you said in your profile too.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua I wouldnt place your hopes on this account anymore then muhammad was a real prophet of God... muhammad was given the title by a woman... what was her name? this isnt how prophets are chosen
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker you do not have hope as you reject your own scripture now i have uploaded a new video you will find as video response to this video soon.
prophets always choosing by God not from any human being so your claim again failed.
who choose Abraham peace be upon him?
If there was any bible or any prophesy about him?or in the time of noah peace be upon him?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua what it shows is that muhammad was an unknown.... God had a relationship with noah & abraham
did God ever just once speak to muhammad while he was on earth? No.... muhammad never had a single conversation with God.... now i wonder why that is...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker muhammad is known to any human being for that reason you are talking about him and God said:
Those to whom We gave the Scripture know him as they know their own sons. But indeed, a party of them conceal the truth while they know [it].2:146
the entire quran is the speech of God(Allah) to Muhammad peace be upon him.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua didnt the contents of the koran come from a supposed angel from God.... if this fact is true then the message from God is second hand and would prove that God didnt speak directly to muhammad... the koran is written in a third person show me where does the koran have a direct conversion between muhammad and God.... did God speak directly to muhammad in the koran on earth... did God ask muhammad to go and do something?
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker 1-Quran came from God. all messenger or angels are not all to disobey God command. JUST take any chapter and read the QURAN you will see who is talking not like bible one can see easily who is speaking btw the gospel is not from Paul,luke,mark,and John?
they ever saw o met jesus christ(peace be upon him).
Do they are the writer of THESE gospels?
OR some one attributed to them for that reason we read all gospels according to......???.
just check on line quran and read then ..
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua 2-you will find expression.
chater 73---O you who wraps himself [in clothing], (1) Arise [to pray] the night, except for a little - (2)
chapter112--Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, (1) Allah, the Eternal Refuge. (2) He neither begets nor is born, (3) Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (4)
God is saying directly to prophet what have to say.
just two example to show you.
italiatua 1 year ago
As i was saying no country can prosper under islamic control.. muslims become the victim and are controlled - threatened by violence and fear, how is islam a peacefull religion when islam kills and terrorises inocent people...
people arent that dumb
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker If you not try a little bit to understand about islam then how you can know what islam is?
do you got these information from TV channel SPECIALLY christian apologetic television?
YES,people are not dumb THAT is why many of them every day reverting to Islam.
look at the video this noble man once was a Christian and now he is telling you the truth about Islam.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua islam is based on muhammads supposed visitation from an angle... wow not once did he see God or God ever have a one one contact... islam is a poor copy of christianity... even the stories about christianity have been changed...
its a pretty sad belief isnt it
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker No one can see God in this world then your book as you think you know the truth say: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they ***will*** see God. Matthew 5:8
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
it's mean seeing a prophet is seeing God.
but you have other meaning as you said:even the stories about christianity have been changed..
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua lets refraise it... did God every speak to muhammad when he was on earth? answer no... did muhammad ever receieve a prophecy/ inspired teaching directly from God... answer No.... humammad was given this "new" teaching from an unknown spirit.... wheres your proof.. answer none
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker these are your own illusion:
Muhammad peace be upon him received revelation in same way other prophets received.
this is the basic rule for inspiration:
And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.42:51
and in these three form muhammad received.
do you HAVE Other kind of inspiration?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua You should take the time to read the old testement and see how God revealed his will to his people.. islam has not proved that muhammad received his teachings from the angle.... i just read Gods inspired Word which was given to his choosen people...
No one knows the truth about the koran..
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker first tell which copy of bible or words of God you are taking about it is possible that you guys take and put words in revelation then call him the word of God?
comes more beauty when you discard discard many books as Apocrypha yet you here and talk about god's word.
with version you use exactly with 72 books or less?
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua you should realise that the apocrypha wasnt inspired like the rest of the scriptures. the apocrypha contains many errors and even states that they arnt inspired... so - much for that point i guess.. the old testement is standard isnt it... what else do you want to know
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker who has the authority after jesus christ(pbuh) to say that apocrypha is not inspired?
they do it because there are many things that discard the pagan belief they invented after jesus christ(peace be upon him).
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua wow, this is basic stuff, the apocrypha states that it isnt inspired, the books contain many mistakes.. the books reject the books of the bible... its quite simple really. all teaching must line up with Gods inspired scriptures..
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker your are fooling yourself the authority is Creator himself and He is not a mAn any revelation comes from God then He conform it WHEN ANY ONE ask him he show him the way and Jesus christ is under your own belief once died if you think that God can died then again you are fooling himself.
as yet you are not able to answer a single question i ask you then came here to for spamming your delusion.
learn the different between *Creator* and creature,any creature never will Creator.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua You see islam can never understand Jesus nor God because it is not from God... those that arnt spiritual born again by the spirit of God are spiritually dead they cant understand spiritual teachings...how can some belief which is spiritual dead understand the living God.... its an oxymoron...
islam is a false concept not from God..
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker i have found many like you saying they are born spiritual yet believing that everyone born with sin against bible teaching. you can hide you delusion saying about Islam wrong things but it can not save you.
i know why you guy do it or say it because when you do not find any proof for your position in bible because bible teaching also goes against your pagan belief and invented false assertion.
Just ask to living God(Creator) not any creation because He can guide Only.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua how can you claim to know the truth when islam isnt from God... God never created it the koran also isnt from God... God never revealed any further teaching to us after Jesus came and died for us... jesus gave us the holy ghost to teach and lead us..not some fasle book called the koran
it clearly rejects Gods teachings...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker you can make your claim just for yourself if you want that people know these thing then you have to prove it using logic and reason then your original book unfortunately they changed it a lot.
Jesus never died on cross and sin born is your invention has nothing to do with Christ teaching.
Holy ghost is arc-angel GOD many times send his revelation by his angel.
where is your holy ghost?claiming?
Quran conform jesus christ(pbuh)and his prophethood.
rest is your false thinking
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua Wow why is it that muslims keep useing the same old arguments to dissprove the true identity of jesus is.... there is religious and non religious evidence that jesus died and rose again - you must disagree..
the scriptures refute you explaination that Gods spirit is an arc angel... this defies scriptures... very sad indeed.
jesus gave all true believers the holy spirit the same holy spirit that fell apon jesus when he was baptised in water... or did you forget...
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker What is true identity that he is god?
where he say in clear word *i am god*?surly you are assuming.
he never died on cross.
there is no real Scripture what you are holding on because of your hand committed the biggest crime against the divine scripture and yet you are trying to say you are know the truth.
i ask where is this holy spirit?
if you have then prove it or show us but you don't have and ever will be,because you say god is a man.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua what you should do is look at all the verses in the bible that describe jesus.... you would tell me the same thing for your muhammad... you should know the answers about jesus.. he is eternal, he created the heavens he will judge all mankind ect ect...
have a look you might learn something
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker any man is never eternal if you can not understand then your all claim will be failed.
man is the creation of God.
so learn the simple thing first then go to big claim using the basic logic.
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua jesus is totally human is he? No... the bible states that jesus is the word come in the flesh....Jesus was created by the holy spirit.... wow..... humahammad is dead in the grave and jesus sits at the right hand of God and will come back and judge mankind.. jesus has been give all authority unlike muhammad.... so who is fooling who
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@loudmouthspeaker Allah said: Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.3:59
make your own illusion if he is god as you mention many time then with whom he is setting at right hand?
think about it you own imagination is wrong. who is...
italiatua 1 year ago
@italiatua talk about imagination lets talk about jinn, now thats a good subject.... dont falling stars stop jinn from listening to what is being said in heaven? Now who dreamed that idea up.. i think jinn are imaginary.... can anyone find them...where they live.. what they eat...
shouldnt point fingers at the truth of jesus when islam believe these strange things
loudmouthspeaker 1 year ago