sadly tho, UNTIL they got to columbia , they didnt have a very good sense of harmony, that is, they didnt find their parts and boundaries well, I personally think Melcher did them good, witness how well the recordings stand up to the test of time , and now to digital....the secret to not having " little and minor mistakes" which cost money in studio time, is to get ya thing together BEFORE you go in...Melcher wasnt ripping them, he was trying to get the BEST out of it all
what poppy cock...these recordings were very groundbreaking..even for the LA scene..but Mr barkems comments on there sense of harmony is sily for a group whose harmonies inspired the Beatles.. i am not a flamer or tryong to say anything wrong to Bruces opine but ..first off..these are outakes of the basic track ..WITHOUT vox
the Preflyte recordings under Jim Dickson showed that they didnt have their harmony "together". When they got to Columbia it seems they developed the ranges and had a better sense of harmony. Im very fond of the group, probably too much so, their musics is probably my biggest influence ..I really dont think the Byrds harmony inspired the Beatles tho, the beatles were talented within their own right and developed without the Byrds .McGuinn taught u show to play the rick 12. Dont mean to offend
Melcher curtly asking "who's singing the high part" (Feel A Whole Lot Better outake) during one of the breakdowns probably didn't exactly endear him to Crosby...
However, to assign credit... after listening to all of the outtakes HIghFlyinByrd has so graciously posted for us, it seems that Terry was simply trying to give a lil' "hubba-hubba" to the proceedings from time to time, being aware that the tape was rolling all the time. He was a pretty good motivational psychologist, and probably had been swigging coffee, versus toking grass, when he and Michael Clark came to loggerheads. It's a pity we can't ask Terry about it all now...
@Valvicus yeah, its all in the past, and when ya think about it, they. thru everyones effort and learning experience and talent n inspiration gave us great music, which stands thru test of time tho sometimes i wish digital remakes werent so changed in mix from original analog
Which song are they playing in this clip? By the way, I don't understand the "obvious reasons" for firing Terry Melcher; can someone explain? Thanks for any info.
If you watch the other outtakes with Terry Melcher, he would stop the recording because of very little and minor mistakes, which annoyed The Byrds, so by 5D, they got a new producer.
it's a recording..it lasts for ever...of coure you stop when theres a mistake or else you send your life editing them out or dropping them out of the board mix...there was NO automation back then so I cant blame him for stopping...have you ever made a record? thats just normal...have you ever heard how many times George Martin stopped the Beatles?? although they were smart enough to crack up and stop them selves, but I have heard them get up past 65 or more takes
Merci de partager ! Thanks for sharing !
plastiqueadapte 1 year ago
yeah.....when Melcher stops them at 3:35 its a perfect take!........i dont blame the band for givin' the guy the boot.
rustyoltimer 1 year ago
Doris Days son. Terry Melcher
tenorismo 1 year ago
Incredibly good bass line - like a melody all of it's own
bellsmyre49 1 year ago
Ah, but where's the acrimony inherent in the Dolphin Smile Outtakes sessions?
brahms98 2 years ago
sadly tho, UNTIL they got to columbia , they didnt have a very good sense of harmony, that is, they didnt find their parts and boundaries well, I personally think Melcher did them good, witness how well the recordings stand up to the test of time , and now to digital....the secret to not having " little and minor mistakes" which cost money in studio time, is to get ya thing together BEFORE you go in...Melcher wasnt ripping them, he was trying to get the BEST out of it all
MrBruceBarham 2 years ago
what poppy cock...these recordings were very groundbreaking..even for the LA scene..but Mr barkems comments on there sense of harmony is sily for a group whose harmonies inspired the Beatles.. i am not a flamer or tryong to say anything wrong to Bruces opine but ..first off..these are outakes of the basic track ..WITHOUT vox
jmjacknife 2 years ago
the Preflyte recordings under Jim Dickson showed that they didnt have their harmony "together". When they got to Columbia it seems they developed the ranges and had a better sense of harmony. Im very fond of the group, probably too much so, their musics is probably my biggest influence ..I really dont think the Byrds harmony inspired the Beatles tho, the beatles were talented within their own right and developed without the Byrds .McGuinn taught u show to play the rick 12. Dont mean to offend
MrBruceBarham 2 years ago
@MrBruceBarham Hey Bruce, haven't seen you for a while. Damian
003Damian 1 year ago
@003Damian good see ya too damien, hows your uncle?all is well?
MrBruceBarham 1 year ago
@jmjacknife "harmonies inspired the Beatles" You're joking aren't you? The Beatles were why the group formed in the 1st place.
H4rryF 11 months ago
Byrds did fine on 5D without Melcher but Melcher solidified their sound the first album, which is one of their best, if not the best.
skydogz1 3 years ago
Hey this is great stuff. A cool listen behind the scenes. Where did ya' find this?
Byrds1967 3 years ago
This should have been included on the 5D reissue CD!
CoryStuteville 3 years ago
Melcher curtly asking "who's singing the high part" (Feel A Whole Lot Better outake) during one of the breakdowns probably didn't exactly endear him to Crosby...
nhoner 3 years ago
However, to assign credit... after listening to all of the outtakes HIghFlyinByrd has so graciously posted for us, it seems that Terry was simply trying to give a lil' "hubba-hubba" to the proceedings from time to time, being aware that the tape was rolling all the time. He was a pretty good motivational psychologist, and probably had been swigging coffee, versus toking grass, when he and Michael Clark came to loggerheads. It's a pity we can't ask Terry about it all now...
Valvicus 3 years ago 2
@Valvicus yeah, its all in the past, and when ya think about it, they. thru everyones effort and learning experience and talent n inspiration gave us great music, which stands thru test of time tho sometimes i wish digital remakes werent so changed in mix from original analog
MrBruceBarham 1 year ago
Which song are they playing in this clip? By the way, I don't understand the "obvious reasons" for firing Terry Melcher; can someone explain? Thanks for any info.
Tsugaheterophylla 3 years ago
They're playing 5D.
If you watch the other outtakes with Terry Melcher, he would stop the recording because of very little and minor mistakes, which annoyed The Byrds, so by 5D, they got a new producer.
HIghFlyinByrd 3 years ago
it's a recording..it lasts for ever...of coure you stop when theres a mistake or else you send your life editing them out or dropping them out of the board mix...there was NO automation back then so I cant blame him for stopping...have you ever made a record? thats just normal...have you ever heard how many times George Martin stopped the Beatles?? although they were smart enough to crack up and stop them selves, but I have heard them get up past 65 or more takes
jmjacknife 2 years ago