Revival and Prophecy - Smith Wigglesworth and my thoughts - Jacques More

[bicepius]

Smith wigglesworth, I dont deny was a man of faith and I also dont deny the miracles but he was wrong about 'a great end revival'. 2Th 2:3 : Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. Even a man like wigglesworth can be in error thats why we must all use the word of God as a rod for our own backs. I say this in love not becuase I like argueing.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Luke,

"that day" is a reference to the 2nd coming of Jesus in 2 Thess.2

And when has anyone sat in the temple of God and blasphemed as Paul mentioned?

Not yet.

If you are a preterist, please name who you reckon to have been the Antichrist.

Yes, any saint can be in error.

And yes, all must be gauged against the Scripture.

[bicepius]

Mattew 10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. There will not be a unity of the church.

Joel says: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Joel is refering to the day of pentecost. The only true revival we needed was jesus and the day of pentecost.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Luke,

There will not be unity in a great many families. The church is not in view in that context.

The last days began at Pentecost. Are you suggesting they are over?

Paul indicated when prophecy and the practise of the 'gifts' will cease, when Jesus returns in full as I read 1 Corinthians 13:10

We know Pentecost was not the only time for the 'gifts' as it went on being practised throughout Acts and Paul adovcated them in Corinthians. Revivals aplenty throughout history too.

[bicepius]

hi gracetruthguy I do agree with that and I also dont deny that there were movements of the holy spriit in the past and now where people were/are saved. But i am fairy certain that it does not say anywere in the bible about there being a 'great revival' in the last days becuase Jesus actually says the oposite.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Luke,

Are you not contradicting yourself or misunderstanding me?

You state you agree with revivals aplenty throughout history.

Yet deny another 'big one' being possible.

?

Nowhere do I suggest it will herald Jesus' return or be preceding an imminent return.

In fact my understanding of the bible propheceis indicate to me that Jesus is not yet coming back for sevewral centuries. Check my cvdeos on that.

In that (new ?) context, why would you think there may not be another one?

[bicepius]

@gracetruthguy I just dont like the word revival, it doesnt say that there will be mass revivals in the bible. Jesus doesnt say anything about them. On the contrary, it teaches that before the end comes there will be a great falling away from the truth (2 Thes. 2:3) and that the true Church will become weak and have little strength (Rev. 3:8) Sadly, apostasy in the Church is the real sign of the End Times, not revival.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Luke,

Like it or not, that is what happened in Jerusalem at Acts 2. And then other places too.

Now if (and I believe He is) Jesus is not coming back for centuries, then we don't have to look at those falling away as there's always going to be those, but to the harvest Jesus said was there and ready "the fields are white unto harvest" Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send labourers.

And Don't forget that Daniel prophesied that there would be the righteous even at the end!

[bicepius]

@gracetruthguy All I am trying to say is we should be ready for the end and work out our own salvation with fear and trembling and not be expecting a 'big one'. Great if it happens and aslong as we can discern whether it is of God or the enemy thats all that matters. ie Todd bentleys recent 'revival' abomination.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Luke,

I wrote to Todd years before he was involved in those things as I discerned things were not right there. He never replied.

I wrote to Benny and he has not replied.

What I am advocating is a church reformation and a working together to be what it should be. As it does so, then the Lord of the harvest will have His ready workers and we will not help but see a revival transformation.

To this end I have written "Revival - The Battleplan" check it out.

[ogiaag5m]

After holding many prayer meetings for revival in the UK the holy spirit kept leading us to focus on praying for the unity of the church.

This is the key to revival.

Jesus himself prayed this

(Father may they be one just as we are one)

If all denominations could only unite under the banner of the apostles creed and put their differences aside for Christs sake this could happen.

This is was demonstrated in the documentary of transformations.

Thy kingdom come

Thy will be done Lord

AMEN

[gracetruthguy]

Hi ogiaag5m,

I concur.

I had a dream of an elephant in 1998 with a missing left: ear, leg and shoulder. set aside in a shed beside it.

It spoke "sores" 3X

The Lord pointed out this working elephant coiuld not because of its divisions and thought of them as "sores"

This was the CHURCH

My booklet "Revival - The Battleplan" mentions unity as the central preceding step to revival and ways forward to effect that.

[ogiaag5m]

@ogiaag5m

Thankyou for that.

Where can i get hold of the booklet?

You may wish to subscribe free to Andrew Stroms revival school.

We get some real insites and believers unite together from all over the world and share their visions.

Im sure Andrew would love to post yours about the elephant.

You both sound like you have alot in common.

If interested you can look him up on the net.

God bless.

[fractalfires]

Only since the pentecostals have people been prophesying coming moves of the Spirit. Why are such 'prophecies' necessary? ( I'm just judging prophecy here brother as we're supposed to.) I think sometimes we get the idea if we 'prophesy' a coming movement and tell others that it will somehow cause a movement. Most of the people don't want to MOVE now. They aren't interested in repentance or sound doctrine or unity. But they like hearing about prophecies of coming movements. Thus says...

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Doug,

I doubt that. Since the gifts have never ceased to be in use since Pentecost, the Lord has been speaking through prophecy, dreams, visions to his people.

But, like Joseph's dreams some take time, others require immediate action (like - the other - Joseph who fleed to Egypt to protect Jesus). With Smith Wigglesworth's prophecy the first 2 moves are evident to have come to pass since. My interest arose in hearing of it only as it coincided with what the Lord had shared with me.

[parakeethands]

The Spirit and the Word are one....not separate that need to "come together" to "work together".

[gracetruthguy]

Hi parakeethands,

There is a world of difference between people with an emphasis on the Spirit working with people with an emphasis on the Word AND the Spirit and the Word in themselves.

[parakeethands]

@gracetruthguy Yes I know fully well that there is a huge gap between people who look to the Word and people who "look" to the Spirit or "Spirit" alone. They are called Charismatics and sometimes Pentecostals. Coming from a Pentecostal/Charismatic background I am familiar with what they practice and teach and how they think. A lot of it is just nonsense. Your statement proves my point. Again, you cannot divorce the Word from the true Spirit because they are one.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi parakeethands,

If I'm saying God is into bringing His chidlren together that have more of an emphasis on the Word to work with those who have more of an emphasis on the Sprirt and you agree there is this difference, then how is that proving your point when I am not saying the Word and the Spirit in themselves are being spoken about?

You cannot agree and disagree at the same time. That is confusion.

[parakeethands]

@gracetruthguy I do not understand your question or your reply. As the scriptures state, the Spirit and the Word are one. They are not seperate therefore if one claims to have more of an "emphasis on the "Spirit" "....whatever that means....and another claims to have "more of an emphasis on the Word" then this kind of thinking altogether is unbiblical seeing that the Spirit and Word are one and cannot be divorced from one another. "Agreeing and disagreeing" makes no sense.

[saudertim1]

There is a time coming soon when leadership of the churches will be shaken up and God will raise up those whom he is working his wisdom into their lives through discipline.

[jesus65515]

good video :)

[gracetruthguy]

Hi jesus65515,

Thank you.

If you are interested in helping make it happen, go to my web site and see the new books which will help make this a reality.

[jesus65515]

ok i will go and check it out

[mosesmalon2]

You're better off doing what God wants you to do and teach people who they are in Christ and let god tie up the loose ends!! Zoe!!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi mosesmalon2, (age 102! ;0)

God wants me to teach what He has taught me. So feel free to peruse and see.

How about looking up my video on the rapture as you appear to be interested in the end times.

Jesus said no man knows the day nor the hour - to me these are loose ends and with these I'd agree with you.

He has given us the month and the means to know a possible year with definite signs to watch for. It is right thereby to teach these and all He points to that is needful.

[lynx2u68]

@gracetruthguy no no...this is not true. thr doctrine of the return of jesus is a selfish one. He clearly states no man knows. any thing else is only self serving.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi lynx2u68,

I'm surprised to find this comment on a video not specifically about the Lord's return.

Nevetheless, what did Jesus say "no man knows"?

"neither the day nor the hour" Matthew 25:13

Which does not mean it is impossible to know the month or the year.

Indeed we can know the month from Zechariah 14 and the year from Daniel 9 and associated.

See my video:

"The Year of the Lord's Return - An understanding - Jacques More"

[simplydannygirl]

Interesting video jac!

[simplydannygirl]

I have books on smith Wigglesworth. I have whole book on all his writings.

He spoke the thinkgs that happen. But he also made the connection of sin and infirmites. Unlike false prophets to day which don't bring any healing.

Danny

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Danny,

I was only thinking this morning how I need to write an article on sickness Christians get like cancer due to their sin (1 Corinthians 11:30-32; 10:9-11 et al)

[simplydannygirl]

That would be interesting. When you post it. Send me the link.

Danny

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Danny,

I'm presently working on some Quick Answers to Calvinist videos on Romans 9

The article eventually will be on my web site. Take a peek.

[simplydannygirl]

now or later today?

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Danny,

Now is my putting together the 1st of 3 quick answer videos on Romans 9

Hopefully I'll finish the 1st of these today

The article will not be for a while: I'll add it to my list of articles I wish to do

[simplydannygirl]

Cool!

[gracetruthguy]

Hi RC, 1st move the charismatic movement in the traditional churches: the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gifts within established churches: C of E, baptist, etc this was in the 60-70s 2nd move the new churches: Pioneer, New Frontiers, Ichthus, etecetera this was in the 70-80s No, 2012 is not the issue those in the Word working with those in the Spirit is I know not this book: tell us more give us a résumé