Quite frankly healthcare is not a right it is a privilege if you can afford it good for you, if you are like my family and simply don't care, you learn to deal without healthcare. All this healthcare will do is force my family to pay for something that we rarely use. It is like making us get workout equipment it is awesome for a while then you lose interest and realize just because you have the hiccups doe NOT mean I need a doctor.
@MrWundrful "just because you have the hiccups doe NOT mean I need a doctor." You are right it does not mean you need a Dr but if they lasts more than a day it might mean a number of things some of which can be serious. Not to have health cover no matter what system your Nation users is a very silly thing to do. I'll guarantee one day you or someone in your family will need medical help then it will not matter to you if it's a "right" or a "privilege" you will beg, steal or borrow to get it
@MrWundrful So, you and your super-healthy, never-get-sick family goes on a pleasant drive to visit some family. Someone is drunk. Driving fast. Didn't see, or blatantly ignored, the red light on their side of the road. Your super-healthy, never-get-sick family is t-boned by a car going 70-100 mph. Your body is thrown against your seatbelt, which stops you from being ejected from the car, but your internal organs, you know, heart, brain, intestines, don't stop because of the seatbelt
@MrWundrful Your head hits the window, major wiplash strains your neck and spine, the window breaks and you get pieces of glass in your eyes or ear. Your brain is bleeding. If you had insurance, you would be able to get this taken care of. But you don't. Your parents watch as their beloved child bleeds to death. Healthcare is totally a privilege.
Very good video. I even looked up the numbers and socialized medicine would be cheaper than private. So what would the problem be? What's so bad about socialism (in this case)?
the way to solve the "healthcare crisis" is to get government out of healthcare altogether. allowing the government to control the price of anything is a surefire plan for disaster, we need to get them out of the economy all together. end socialism and there will be more health care than we have seen since the seventies.
@DailyStaley Do you realize that there are people here in the US going bankrupt from medical expenses, even with health insurance, all the time? Your health is a right, you shouldn't have to pay for it. Maybe we should stop spending all our money on the fucking military and put it to good use. Do you think bombing Iraqis for oil is more important than not having to be forced into bankruptcy because you have a serious illness and can't pay for treatment?
@JesusHatedToolsheds Free Healthcare and more Entitlements lead to more debt.. socialism you see? Don't you understand just how serious this debt is? Obviously not.
@JesusHatedToolsheds the reason that health bill is so high is because the government is not allowing the free market to work. An example is lasik eye surgery. Not covered by insurance so doctor's compete the price goes down as the quality goes up. If you really gave an issue over cost... then let the free market work. Kill Obamacare and elect Ron Paul
One or two things regarding health care being a privilege. Emergency medical care which is what anyone can get for "free" is a right. If my arm was cut off in an accident and I'm about to bleed to death, I can walk into any hospital. Nobody ever complained about emergency medical care. When people talk about health care they are ALWAYS talking about non-emergency preventive medicine. That is a privilege.
"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
Come on America! you have insured children... what the fuck!? I think this is unconstitutional, but hey ho, I would say that being liberal.. it does say int he constitution that the government is there to maintain the general 'welfare' of the population... I would confidently say that health comes under this definition. You liberals need to get off your arses and get your laws implemented properly.
@TheSelfishAltruist Isn't it sick? I'm a 20 year old student here in good ol' American and to put it bluntly, I think Americans are a bunch of ignorant fools. The sad part is though that I would not be surprised if reform didn't happen for another 20+ years because it seems like no one takes it seriously here. We watched a great Documentary in a class of 250 people and to be honest I don't think anyone gave 2 shits. It's pathetic and people need to wake up.
My favourite irony about this stupid debate is this. Because your healthcare system is so patchy it has left so many withough healthcare, their healths ahve deteriated so much that the government quite literally HAS to pay for healthcare fo a lot of people otherwise they would be dying in the street. This costs 8% of your GDP (medicaid, medicare). Our Universal system which covers EVERYBODY also costs 8% GDP, but you poor bastards pay another 8% on top out of your pockets direct. haha
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@richardcadbury Im in the UK, and I pay for my healthcare via my taxes. The NHS is not a charity.
Hey imagine this... being able to go to the doctor, get whatever you need, go home, and thats it... no insurance company and no bill, as you paid already from taxes.
A pipe dream thats a reality for us over here on the sensible side of the Atlantic.
@TheSelfishAltruist I presume there are no waiting lists to see an oncologist while your cancer grows. I presume noone has to wait months for a hip replacement and be in a wheelchair in the meantime. I presume there aren't queues months long for people to get a heart bypass, some of whom die from a heart attack while they wait in line? Oh no wait, there are - state healthcare rationing for everyone ftw!!!!
@richardcadbury There is a 2 week wait between seeing the Gp, and a cancer specialist if your GP predicts any cancer... and there is no more than 3 months for any operation or procedure. This is government policy, and targets are set. If they are not met the NHS provider in question will be under investigation. You can get private healthcare if you want, and get it instantly... its your choice. I use a wheelchair, and have expensive prescriptions. I could not afford that if I had to pay.
@richardcadbury Im biased I guess because Id b screwed if I had to pay for treatment I just had an op on my belly and got to clean the wound area out everyday with saline using surgical instruments. This would cost a fortune, but fortunately... all NHS funded. I think in the long run the state saves because if it got infected, or I continued having the belly problems Id have to keep going in. No bills to worry about. Ive been at home recovering for a month. I also got welfare in this period.
@TheSelfishAltruist You just said you pay for your healthcare via your taxes. So if you didn't have to pay your NHS taxes you wouldn't be screwed at all - you'd keep the money and be able to buy your healthcare privately. Get well soon! :)
@richardcadbury You realize America is the only Industrialized nation without universal healthcare right? And on top of that the most sickening fact about the American "healthcare" system is that insurance companies can drop people. Essentially forcing people into bankruptcy. What if this happened to you? Then all of a sudden a Nation ran insurance company where you can't be dropped sounds awesome. I'm absolutely appalled at the people who know nothing about this and yet knock it
@richardcadbury 1. that it if the companies would want to accept you for private healthcare. You could easily be denied by everyone for various reasons, which often happens 2. the taxes put forth for NHS amount to a lot less then it would to pay for individual healthcare on your own because the taxes aren't just for you it goes forth for everyone and everyone also puts in their fair share.So yes they most likely would've been very screwed under our system.
@iluvdrakeandjosh You're saying "everyone pays their fair share". So I presume you'd be happy to not allow NHS care to those who haven't paid enough in taxes to cover their treatment?
I would be in favor of Obama care but for the fact that its forced. What about the religious nuts that beleave go will heal them? That probly aint gonna happen, but its their right to beleave that, so why force them to carry health insurence they will never use?
@42mada Because apparently many Americans have not taken a single History course, so they never learned the difference between Socialism, Communism, and Fascism.
@42mada because it obviously sucks.....that is why socialist europe is about to collapse. god people are retarded....i did not expect this shit from nerd fighters
@b22frozenfire I agree that pure socialism isn't realistic for governments, but I do not agree with your "witty" comeback. I'm assuming you are a nerd fighter given that you have used the terminology. If that's the case, I'm again assuming you have seen John's video about properly insulting people. Frankly, you are doing it wrong. I think you definitely could have acted more conscientiously. Nerdfighteria is a community of kind, understanding people and I do not appreciate you undermining it.
@soccerrulz88 "pure socialism isn't realistic" Please explain your concept of pure socialism? Pure capitalism I think I understand, pure communism again I think I can get. Even if I find the possibility of either actually being a workable alternative to having a mixed socialist, capitalist, liberal democratic economy. Where does pure socialism become communism where does liberal socialism become capitalism? You could have a UHC funded out of tax (socialism) run by private companies (capitalism
@davijeph You make a valid point. It is a grey area, but socialism means that although property is communal the state still exists and there is some governing party. And while there may be countries who call themselves communist, given Marx's definition we cannot say that there have been any purely communist countries. They have all been socialist, in my opinion. People may disagree with me but I believe we have yet to see pure communism and I doubt we will ever have one.
@soccerrulz88 Socialism does not mean property is communal. All western style liberal democracies including the US are socialist. In the US medicare in the UK the NHS are examples. That does not mean property is communal I live in my own home purchased by money from my own efforts working in a capitalist private enterprise environment. In Communism the state owns all property and land. Socialism is where we democratically agree the State be responsible for certain aspects of welfare. Regards
@b22frozenfire As someone living in europe, I wouldn't say that it IS necessarily about to collapse, Eurozone is having a small crisis but they are working on it and we can't say what the future will hold (also none of the countries affected by the eurozone crisis which is what i'm assuming you are referring to are socialist). I expect more informed answers from nerdfighters. I also expect more acceptance that the truth resists simplicity, Socialism is very good in theory.
@Shellewell okay, well i was just pointing something out but you are right. it is just annoying how here in america there is a wave of pro socialist activists which blindly support it even as it can not work once applied to america. firstly, i believe europe needs a bit of socialism to keep there strong nationalistic behavior at bay. i have been to almost all the european nations and i lived in switzerland. further more, regarding europe, within the next ten years i believe it will
@b22frozenfire totally transform either due to a major war or economic collapse. but back to socialism, it cannot work in any way in america openly because it simple isn't in the american mind to accept it. right now we basically have it, but the people are not revolting because it is not declared socialist and the general american public is not that intelligent to realize it. but just out of curiosity, what country are you from? I'm from New york :)
@b22frozenfire Ok, that's fair enough, I'm happy with it as long as it's put forth as an opinion and with goo reasoning. I don't know what the next 10 years will hold but i've got my fingers crossed. I'm from the UK (well, Scotland to be precise).
@b22frozenfire and simpler than that, accept that there are nerdfighters of all political leanings. Nerdfighters are supposed to be accepting of other people's opinions and ideas, preferring rational debate to mindlessly saying that socialism sucks without good reasoning why. Don't be a giant squid of anger.
@42mada Its been demonized for decades. It is not necessarily that people are afraid of socialism it is that they are afraid of being labeled as socialists. But the acceptance of socialism is on the rise and perhaps in several decades America could become a democratic-socialist state which really isn't all that bad, its the dictatorship-socialist states that are the problem.
@42mada Short answer is America is a constitutional republic and our constitution says limited government and maximum freedom and socialism is unlimited government and minimum freedom. We are not afraid of socialism, did you see what we did to the Nazis in WW2? We kicked their donkeys. Freedom always wins. That's why we don't like socialism.
@azbpro I cannot believe that you just compared Nazi-regime control over citizens on the same level of anti-freedom as socialized medicine, which practically every other well-developed country in the nation has. I'd also like to see where the constitution promised not to provide an unbiased health care system, or even where it says "limited government", being a government document itself.
In addition to those misconceptions, socialism is not unlimited government. That is communism.
@parkourisawesome1 Giving the government the power to decide how you spend your money is virtually giving them complete control of your life. The constitution limits government through the 10th amendment, by saying that any powers not given to the fed through the constitution are reserved for the people. Socialism gives all power to the federal government, thus it is unconstitutional. Read the constitution please. The constitution is not for restricting the rights of the people, but for the gov.
@azbpro Yes government is limited in the tenth amendment, but arguing that universal heath care is unconstitutional is entirely unfounded. In article one section eight of the constitution congress IS given control over interstate commerce and general welfare; and allowed to pass "all laws necessary and proper for carrying out" these things. universal health care pertains to both the general welfare and interstate commerce and therefore falls well within government jurisdiction.
@Mythman1995 Okay how about instead of calling it welfare we call it socialism, now where is it authorized? Just naming something out of the constitution isn't an excuse to make it constitutional. When they wrote the constitution general welfare didn't mean what it means today, it meant protecting the lives and liberties of the American people. Today it means taking lives and liberties from on person and giving it to another. Two completely different ideas.
@azbpro I could name a program for executing poor people "welfare" and now it's suddenly legal under the constitution? I don't think so. If you want to make healthcare available for large amounts of people, you start a health insurance company, not go into the government, because that's forcing people to buy from your company which is unconstitutional. I say if someone doesn't want to buy health care then they shouldn't have to, and it should NEVER be a government program.
@parkourisawesome1 - lol I don't know if you realized "which practically every other well-developed country in the NATION has" - you probably meant WORLD but just saying... lolz. If there are so many socialist countries why do socialists come to America that is my question. Me and my family prefer a free country, where we don't have to buy anything, that's why we came here.
@42mada because in the US socialism is this word that carries with it all these horrible connotations. People here The word "socialism" and it makes them uneasy, partly because many jump straight to communism and partly the meaning of the word doesn't matter to them-its just they're afraid of the odd. i would argue 2 things
1) most americans would be in favour of the real message of socialism if they could see past all the connotations the word brings
@42mada it has more to do with a fundamental change in politics and of faith and just plain misunderstanding of the facts. I for one do not support it. Due to the fact that it is more akin to existentialism than a capitalist based society. We take care of our self!
@fromero69 because eventually you run out of other people's money. It's the opposite of free market economics that made America great... and socialism has always failed... oh yeh and forcing somebody else to use the fruits of their labor for your benefit without giving them an equally valuable trade... is SLAVERY
@42mada We are too obsessed with our constitution that says the government can't do things like that. Most people think we should just burn it and convert to socialism. I say let the U.S. stay free and let the people who want to live in socialism live in a socialist country.
@42mada because eventually you run out of other people's money. It's the opposite of free market economics that made America great... and socialism has always failed... oh yeh and forcing somebody else to use the fruits of their labor for your benefit without giving them an equally valuable trade... is SLAVERY
@42mada Conservatives think big government is tyrannical, don't trust it and opt for military, security, and prison industrial complex. Liberals think of corporations being tyrannical, don't trust them and opt for a big government nanny state. Personally I think health should be universal yet not compulsory and information must be kept private between patient and doctor. We don't trust our government to do anything because of how shifty it behaves historically and presently. Anarchy USA.
@KwellingtonK What makes you think that the patient/doctor relationship is not private in those western style democratic countries that use a form of UHC system and how can healthcare be universal unless all citizens are allowed to use it?
@davijeph to your first question i don't think patient doctor confidentiality is NECESSARILY breached in western democracies with UHC. I'm merely pondering over the continued tyrannical policies of the USA security state. I'm not implying anything about Canada or Europe. I'm implying the USA is constructing an information empire on its citizens. To the second UHC should be ALLOWED for everyone. That's not the same as compulsory. I should be able to opt out. No Gov force on me to stay.
@KwellingtonK By the very use of the word "Universal" implies their can be no op-outs any more than you op-in. The whole point of a UHC is it gives every citizen the "Universal* right to have healthcare in the same the Nation supplies "universal" right to police protection, the criminal law and justice protection from out external threats by the nations arm forces these are all paid for out of the collective will and need healthcare is simply another vital part of living in a civilised society
@davijeph this is indeed correct the meaning of universal. I also see how if you allow people to opt out how it could be problematic and lead to a failure to sustain the entire system. However I don't see how you can force a person to pay for another person's healthcare through taxation against their will if a person doesn't want coverage for themselves. That would be coercion. I love the quick fix of UHC, universal, make it work and we're done. I'm speaking for those who don't want it
@KwellingtonK Societies, States, Nations are held together by a sense of common purpose and protection, agreed? All people who are members of the "Nation" must have a feeling that ALL in some way have shared duties and responsibilities to each other. Examples defence, obeying the law, many feel this must also include the vital requirements of life the need for water, food, environment this list must also include access to affordable healthcare for ALLl. It does not include ALL have an iPad.
@KwellingtonK If we except this (and many will not) a way must be found so cost effective heath care can be supplied to ALL (food subsidies ensure cheap basic food for all). Charities could not ensure the money required to do this only some form of collective responsibility by ALL will do it. Their are many Nations with UHC and all those UHC's are different some highly centralised like the Brit NHS some use private companies but all cost less and supply more than the present US system.
@davijeph I'm enjoying this dialogue. I should inform you I've for many years been in favor of UHC. I'm glad to be hammering out my new concerns with a smart and compassionate youtuber as yourself. I agree food, environment, education and health are human rights and needs. I honestly wish sometimes I lived in a European socialist democracy. America can't seem to get its socialized medical systems to work in an affordable way. Why do you think that is? poor organization or lack of funds
@KwellingtonK I think you are far too pessimistic about America. Yes, you do have some lunatics possibly more than most but that is more the result of your media being controlled, for the most part, by self-serving media moguls. Most Americans even on the right can understand the dangers of political and economic extremism no matter where it comes from. Don't forget Europe as had to learn this the hard way but we still have our extremists and nutters.
@KwellingtonK The answer to your question can be found in the power of the middlemen who make a fortune out of medicine but do not supply so much as an Aspirin. Your medical insurance companies control not just the information about healthcare but has the power to corrupt your political system. They are reaping an immense income out of the fear of being sick using part of that income to protect themselves. Break the insurance companies cartel you will get your cheap access to health.
There are to be enough surgeons. There are to be enough Doctors and Nurses at each hospital to meet population needs. There are to be enough nurses and doctors in a population. They are to be on-call when emergency happens. There are to be enough Emergency Response Units to meet population needs in case of emergency. Required by Law they are to respond ASAP.
Nobody talking about supplies and demands. This is how the real capitalist economy works.
You increase the supplies of doctors, nurse, drugs, hospitals, beds. You lower the price of healthcare.
If Obama take the same money that he had and build more medical schools to train 1 million extra doctors, nobody has to spend over thousand dollars to get treatments.
Here is how Hospitals should be. Beds must be comfortable with massage and back controls. There must be enough beds to meet population needs. Advanced real monitoring equipments must be researched. There must be enough vaccines and anti-dotes for disasters. There are to be emergency mats stored in the lower basement. Emergency Rooms must be easy accessible for Emergency Response Unit.
Why? In the current system, tax payers have to pick up the tab of the people who cannot afford healthcare. Tax payers = top 10% pays most of tax because it's a progressive tax. This means rich people pays for the healthcare of the poor.
Under Obamacare, rich people pay less because the middle class will now pay more.
So just because i don't want to pay someone else, i can't pay at all? it sounds nice, but i don't have healthcare, and that's not my fault, it's my father's because i am a minor. as soon as i can pay for it i'll get healthcare, but right now i can't so what do i do?
Great video highlighting some of the problems of health care and some of the arguments about how to pay for it. But the problem is not about how to pay for it, it is how much it costs. To really solve the problem, we need to lower the cost of health care. Check out this vid /watch?v=dNPZI4gLhT8 to see some interesting solutions for the health care COST crisis.
John is laudably honest in the consequences of a privilege vs. a right, however I disagree with the conclusion. The implicit premise upon which this entire argument rests is that rights are not objective. "We believe it is a right." But it's not entirely his fault, the founders accidentally used the term "self-evident" to emphasize the importance of rights, simultaneously exposing them to subjectivity. Real rights (i.e. rights to action) really are objective, however. That's the error here.
Google *ALEC Exposed* by John Nichols at The Nation.
ALEC Sabotaged HC reform/Single Payer efforts. They crafted the Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act, which, despite its Orwellian name, was written to DENY the citizens of any state that passed it the freedom to set up a Single Payer system. It played a key role in a well-coordinated effort to keep the most progressive proposals from being enacted at the state or federal level while blocking provisions imposing oversight of ins companies.
Congratulations! You took an issue that could fill volumes of books and condensed it down to 3 minutes and 51 seconds. You did such a good job that you didn’t even need to take the full 10 minutes that YouTube offers. You also managed not to say a damn thing. This issue is more complicated than most people including you realize.
Also, you need to do some research on what a “right” actually is. And at least acknowledge that there is middle ground between the different sides.
I love this view point and here is my response. I do not want people to be denied Health Care. So, I must believe it is a right. To stay Constitutional, I read the Constitution to find out what it says the Federal Government's powers are, regarding Health Care. There isn't anything there. So, that means it automatically falls under "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
@FreeMarketLibertaria "The US spends 16% of GDP on health care, because it is the best place in the world to get health care" this isn't true, US care (performance, not cost) is comparable with all the other developed nations (ie.compare international medical error rates). Plus 47 million Americans have no coverage (45,000 die every year as a result). Also under the private system, billions and billions are wasted on: lawsuits, company profits, non-paying patients etc...
I absolutely love how so many people argue that this bill kills the insurance companies' ability to compete when it actually creates competition for the first time. If you argue for a free-market and true capitalism then you'd better be ready to face the reality of that: other people are going to try and create a better product than you.
Who exactly is paying for this so called right? Where in the Constitution is Socialized Healthcare mentioned? I personally enjoy working for the first 6 Months of the year for free so that I can pay for this right for others who dont work. And do not try and say that unemployment is effecting you, there are plenty of jobs out there, just ones that you might not want to do. Most things in life are "have to's" not want-to's" suck it up and get out of my business and wallet.
Quit the illusion, USA! Your healthcare system is number 37, just in front of Slovenia according to the WHO's international rankings. The UK, with it's NHS is number 19, and France, also a universal system financed by state health insurance is NUMBER ONE. Lagging behind, huh?
Just because you happen to have the experts living in your country doesn't mean everything is going to turn crap if you adopt a state system. Britain saw a serious improvement in health with th advent of the NHS.
there are tradeoffs b/t efficiency (not $) and equality. It is a FACT that public healthcare systems progress b/c of american innovation in the biomedical field. look at the list of nobel prize winners- mostly americans. Our system may not be as equal, but long term implications for quality care in the world is affected when the US private system stops innovating. innovation comes from private funding, not gov subsidies. you're just as blinded for thinking public is a panacea
@kidhuddie Well then, by all means keep a private health industry alongside a state-funded one... even the UK has the private option! Just don't deny people who can't afford healthcare the right to be treated.
It is simply astounding that the US spends trillions on nukes and black projects, but fails to provide it's own people with quality healthcare.
Your current system is like something out of the dark ages, and simply tells the world how plutocratic the US continues to be.
haha well we spend trillions on healthcare, not nukes and blackprojects. hence the majority of US citizens wanting healthcare reform. its obvious our system has its problems, yet it also has many benefits which includes the highest capacity for quality care (high # of international patients i mean plutocrats- money talks everywhere its not just an american thing) , innovation, quality rapid response, etc. Our hospital ER's are socialized and nobody is ever denied emergency care.
I don't know if you realize that, whether privately or publicly funded, the healthcare system has absolutely nothing to do with research and development of new drugs and vaccines. The pharmaceutical industry develops them along with universities and government-funded research centres. You're conjoining American innovation with it's private health system, which is comparing apples to oranges. The innovation should stay but the private system has to go.
@Tabletop1000 Actually you are 100% wrong. Government subsidies and grants (public money) only fund around 1/3 of the research and development in the US. The rest is private investemnt and capital; insurance corporations, private universities, research institutions, teaching hospitals etc yes they receive monetary incentives from the gov however most of the money and assets are private. the private system needs to stay and public plans need to become more efficient and cost effective
That is exactly what I said: "The pharmaceutical industry develops them (drugs and new products) along with universities and government-funded research centres." It is all well for private companies to be the primary producers of drugs and whatnot as they will attempt to create the best product, but when it comes to healthcare their bottom line comes before the health of the country. That is how companies work and why the government should take over healthcare instead of being behind
God, I hate how Americans associate socialism with communism. In reality, the truth is far from it.
If you asked a Brit what socialism meant to them, they would probably say something along the lines of Old Labour, or name Anuerin Bevan, Tony Benn or Neil Kinnock... all respectable politicians, legitimately elected, supporters of democracy and freedom, and members of a major political party.
Socialism isn't something to be afraid of. If you dig deep enough, most of us are socialists at heart!
I know very little about the Americian healthcare system but it sounds rather compicated and terrifying.
Even the NHS in UK, which is often quite successful but could do with alot more support from the current government, sounds far far easier and fairer than the USA's.
Anyway this video helped alot, this version was easier to understand with the animations.
Here in Wales healthcare is free (other than less than £10/month taken from our wages). Prescription drugs are also free but now the government is seriously considering giving benefits to private healthcare to re-introduce competition, therefore lowering patient numbers dependant on the NHS, which reduces the massive amounts of excessive £££ spent on public healthcare.
Ideally diet pig is the best as it reduced the strain on the government, gives business opportunity and gets everybody treated.
Nice animation, but you make a mistake in your evaluation of the issue. The free-market side does not support our current system, which is what you argue against on behalf of socialism. You even explain that our current system is already socialist, which I'd say it's more corporatist if anything, but either way, both of those are detrimental.
Please see youtube “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context” one of the few genuinely knowledgable, informing and unbiased vid's to be found on youtube about health care.
I've heard some pretty insane arguments about schools and how we shouldn't be paying for other people's children to fuck up and get bad grades. However I believe we all deserve a fair shake in life. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have money to get health care. For example, I have 4 bad wisdom teeth, one is infected. Can I get them taken care of? Nope, I have no insurance. I am essentially screwed and have to suffer. Is helping your neighbor out so bad? Even knowing you can benefit too?
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Health care is a right like owning guns is a right. You government can't stopping you from getting it, but it doesn't have to force othe rpeople to provide you with it.
@AK49Gunner The problem isn't choosing to get health care the problem is people are dying because they can't get health care due to extremely high costs of health care in America.
Fortunately, the president chose to kill the bloated, inefficient pig by overfeeding it with 30 million additional customers care of a government mandate that people purchase insurance. He managed to sell this rat poison bill by pointing to a few yummy cherries on top -- pre-existing conditions, kids stay on insurance until they're 26, and the like. But hey, a rat poision sandwich with a couple cherries on top beats being hungry, right? G0Bama 2012!!
@tnguyen318 The U.S. spends 16% of its $14.6 trillion GDP on health care. Your $10 billion a year plan doesn't come close to covering the $2.3 trillion tab we already have. You fail at math. Case closed.
That's $10 Billion a month. 16% of 14.6 Trillion = $2.8 Trillion. That $2.8 Trillion consists mostly of Wall Street Pharmaceuticals overcharging. Hospitals are overcharging also. Medical School is a Lie. You get your degree via under the table Government Favoritism. You go Practice Medicine on the corner street of a neighborhood charging $15,000 for a common cold. All this Building for what?? Meanwhile Hotels and Casinos are being built polluting the entire Ecology.
@tnguyen318 $10 billion a month x 12 months = $120 billion a year, not nearly enough to cover our health care costs. Obama's plan to force everyone to buy unaffordable, substandard health care from insurance companies out to nickel and dime their customers was clearly the best idea.
They include Monthly Insurance Rates in their Health Care Cost calculations. It doesn't accurately reflect real world problems. $125 a month x 250 Million People in the United States will add up to $25 Billion / month x 12 = 300 Billion. They also include Government Health Care Costs unrelated to Everyday People Health Care expenses. Clearly a Pot Luck Health Care System is the Best System.
When you were talking about the human rights, I beleive it is two of three you stated. Life, you have to be healthy to live
Happieness, "Be happy, be healthy" quoted by Cherieos.
The people that were saying that we're good, I thought "Yeah, because you're insured and probly don't care about the people non-insured. (Young nerdfighters stop reading now) Selfish bastards." I think that healthcare is a RIGHT. I mean, we live in this country. A nation isn't land, it's the people who live there.
@ejdines I believe the "selfish bastards" would be the one claiming an entitlement to health care in a country where probably less than 10% of the population meets minimum standards for being "healthy" and making sound choices. The primary reason insurance costs have skyrocketed is because of skyrocketing pool risk due to an insanely unhealthy, 34% obese country. How is giving free care to people who don't look after themselves supposed to do anything but worsen our costs even more???
Well that is the problem with the US. The private health insurance companies are not playing by the rules. The medicare system is also far too incomplete.
Obama's plan was a good plan, but the problem is it got watered down due to political oppositions. In a time when we need to cut spending, the GOP are giving the rich several tax cuts and also extended the Bush tax cut for 2 years.
If we are going to see a single payer or public option health care it would be from the states.
as far as the "private insurance" system, very few of those insured actually ever HAD TO shop for their plan & provider (employer insured)
and of almost ALL of those either Privately or Publicly insured NEVER see an actual BILL / or the COST of the services provided by the doctors in advance!
i would argue that we help uninsured people because we,as americans, feel bad for them,BUT I AGREE on the fact that we need to stop helping them,because they need to take care of themselves for the fact that Beacause one day,they will stop being helped.
This comment is coming from a frikin 13 year old girl
@Manofheart777 i would love to see how it would work over if you tried to tell that to a child whos mom has died of cancer because she couldn't pay for her chemo!
@22350693521 Which is an absurd hyperbole, because most of our national HC expenditures are for ailments related to personal irresponsibility: heart disease/diabetes from poor diet and lack of exercies, lung cancer from smoking, etc.
@22350693521 can you tell me why chemo is expensive? instead of jumping in and paying for her cost, shouldnt we make the price low so that she can pay for it on her own without going bankrupt or paying for health insurance.
It's expensive so that the insurance companies can charge you high premium.
This riemide me of the three alications of resoreses. Capitalism, Communism, and Socalism.
Capitalism has a bad name becoues of greed. Yet it uses profit as a tool to help the alicaiton of resores to improve itself.
Socalism is like this vidio discribed when the state give the resorses and servisism like the police force.
Communism is really has a bad name becouse of stallen but it origainl meaning is when the community own the property and servism, none profit is communism. Like stonesoup
European nations w/ government healthcare have 10%+ unemployment and are bankrupt(ex: Spain, Ireland, Portugal). Are these the type of nations we want to emulate? Plus if the government can force you to buy healthcare, what's next?
In my country we have a socialized healthcare system.I pay a small percent of my monthly income as a tax for it. I see the doctor family doctor very often so i keep myself healthy.I use private clinics when i have a bigger health problem because they provide quality treatment and its NOT expensive.
Americans , team up , get in the street ,protest, change your politicians ,do whatever u need to get a proper healthcare!
@zer0lis American HC is expensive primarily because of insurance pool risk, which is due to an extremely unhealthy country. To get proper health care, a lot of Americans would have to hit the streets for a run, not a protest!!! LOL.
Obama used it in the health care bill. It was used in the health care law. What is Obamas doing to R country. Dhimmitude, Never heard the word Till now. Google it, It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill. It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude Dhimmitude: the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. It is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.
What about Children who get lukemia or cancer or any kid of illness and their parents can't get or can't afford the health insurance? We live in a country that will turn thoes children away because we have a "only think about yourself" attitude. Remember the movie John Q? That was a true story, and in AMERICA. Oh how we fall short to our own people. I guess "screw the middle class" should be our motto. I pray for American's to wake up.
@NowThePeople Thinking for one self includes taking responsibility for one's actions. I support having my unused insurance dollars going to the care of the needy. But the numbers clearly demonstrate that the majority of those HC dollars go to treating people with conditions that are a direct cause of their own poor health choices. I don't pay more for car insurance just so bad drivers can afford to drive--so why should the young and healthy be forced to pay for baby boomer irresponsibility?
@thereinliestherib I understand what you are saying, however our tax dollars already pay for them, with Social Security and Medicare. They say that by the time a 20 something retires the retirement age will be 72 yrs. old, and there will be no more SS left for us.
@NowThePeople Exactly. So why do you support forcing the youth to pay into programs whose benefits they likely will never see? Why are they beholden to others debt and irresponsibility? Why should the youth be forced into underwriting the institutionalized waste of state economies, while the country's economic competitiveness only sinks lower and lower precisely because of such socialized policies?
The non-profit idea is already being used to line the pockets of those companies. Let me explain. Blue Cross/Blue Shield is considered a 501b non-profit corporation. What they do is split up all their profits amongst the board of directors, and that's their salary. So technically no profit went to the company, and they don't have to pay income taxes.
I think that we should keep our current health care system, but like the cost of electricity and water, it should be highly regulated by the government
Quite frankly healthcare is not a right it is a privilege if you can afford it good for you, if you are like my family and simply don't care, you learn to deal without healthcare. All this healthcare will do is force my family to pay for something that we rarely use. It is like making us get workout equipment it is awesome for a while then you lose interest and realize just because you have the hiccups doe NOT mean I need a doctor.
MrWundrful 1 week ago
@MrWundrful "just because you have the hiccups doe NOT mean I need a doctor." You are right it does not mean you need a Dr but if they lasts more than a day it might mean a number of things some of which can be serious. Not to have health cover no matter what system your Nation users is a very silly thing to do. I'll guarantee one day you or someone in your family will need medical help then it will not matter to you if it's a "right" or a "privilege" you will beg, steal or borrow to get it
davijeph 1 week ago
@MrWundrful You'll care at some point. Needing a doctor is not a question of "if." It's a question of "when."
dantesinfernal0 6 days ago 6
@MrWundrful So, you and your super-healthy, never-get-sick family goes on a pleasant drive to visit some family. Someone is drunk. Driving fast. Didn't see, or blatantly ignored, the red light on their side of the road. Your super-healthy, never-get-sick family is t-boned by a car going 70-100 mph. Your body is thrown against your seatbelt, which stops you from being ejected from the car, but your internal organs, you know, heart, brain, intestines, don't stop because of the seatbelt
freezie656 5 days ago
@MrWundrful Your head hits the window, major wiplash strains your neck and spine, the window breaks and you get pieces of glass in your eyes or ear. Your brain is bleeding. If you had insurance, you would be able to get this taken care of. But you don't. Your parents watch as their beloved child bleeds to death. Healthcare is totally a privilege.
freezie656 5 days ago
Healthcare is not a right it's a service. Socialism is legalized stealing.
wqwwqwqqpoppopoo 1 week ago
@wqwwqwqqpoppopoo If healthcare is not a right then thank god for legalised stealing.
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@davijeph "If healthcare is not a right then thank god for legalised stealing."
Wow, honesty. How refreshing. But why are you thanking your imagination?
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Very good video. I even looked up the numbers and socialized medicine would be cheaper than private. So what would the problem be? What's so bad about socialism (in this case)?
minimatt37 1 week ago
the way to solve the "healthcare crisis" is to get government out of healthcare altogether. allowing the government to control the price of anything is a surefire plan for disaster, we need to get them out of the economy all together. end socialism and there will be more health care than we have seen since the seventies.
halloranedward 2 weeks ago
Republicans will fight this form of spending and socialism to the end. Our country CAN NOT AFFORD UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE AT THIS POINT IN OUT HISTORY.
End. Of. Story.
DailyStaley 2 weeks ago
@DailyStaley Do you realize that there are people here in the US going bankrupt from medical expenses, even with health insurance, all the time? Your health is a right, you shouldn't have to pay for it. Maybe we should stop spending all our money on the fucking military and put it to good use. Do you think bombing Iraqis for oil is more important than not having to be forced into bankruptcy because you have a serious illness and can't pay for treatment?
JesusHatedToolsheds 2 weeks ago
@JesusHatedToolsheds Free Healthcare and more Entitlements lead to more debt.. socialism you see? Don't you understand just how serious this debt is? Obviously not.
DailyStaley 2 weeks ago
@JesusHatedToolsheds the reason that health bill is so high is because the government is not allowing the free market to work. An example is lasik eye surgery. Not covered by insurance so doctor's compete the price goes down as the quality goes up. If you really gave an issue over cost... then let the free market work. Kill Obamacare and elect Ron Paul
crispymidget 2 weeks ago
very informative, i appreciate the nonpartisan approach.
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sophiathomas210 3 weeks ago
One or two things regarding health care being a privilege. Emergency medical care which is what anyone can get for "free" is a right. If my arm was cut off in an accident and I'm about to bleed to death, I can walk into any hospital. Nobody ever complained about emergency medical care. When people talk about health care they are ALWAYS talking about non-emergency preventive medicine. That is a privilege.
akkrauta 4 weeks ago
RON PAUL 2012!
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"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
Charlie12241 1 month ago
Come on America! you have insured children... what the fuck!? I think this is unconstitutional, but hey ho, I would say that being liberal.. it does say int he constitution that the government is there to maintain the general 'welfare' of the population... I would confidently say that health comes under this definition. You liberals need to get off your arses and get your laws implemented properly.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Isn't it sick? I'm a 20 year old student here in good ol' American and to put it bluntly, I think Americans are a bunch of ignorant fools. The sad part is though that I would not be surprised if reform didn't happen for another 20+ years because it seems like no one takes it seriously here. We watched a great Documentary in a class of 250 people and to be honest I don't think anyone gave 2 shits. It's pathetic and people need to wake up.
Anon1352 2 months ago
My favourite irony about this stupid debate is this. Because your healthcare system is so patchy it has left so many withough healthcare, their healths ahve deteriated so much that the government quite literally HAS to pay for healthcare fo a lot of people otherwise they would be dying in the street. This costs 8% of your GDP (medicaid, medicare). Our Universal system which covers EVERYBODY also costs 8% GDP, but you poor bastards pay another 8% on top out of your pockets direct. haha
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
Great video..!
andromello11 2 months ago
I'm focusing on jamming out and not health care.
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The music is really distracting from what John Green is trying to say. ARGH!
hiddenstar23 2 months ago
Great video. Except did it bother anyone else that it says 'less procedures' at 1:28 instead of 'fewer procedures'?
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rickland155 3 months ago 5
Pay for your own medicine, parasite!
richardcadbury 4 months ago
@richardcadbury
Are you being serious or ironic?
Please say the latter.
CrouchieAtlas 2 months ago
@richardcadbury Im in the UK, and I pay for my healthcare via my taxes. The NHS is not a charity.
Hey imagine this... being able to go to the doctor, get whatever you need, go home, and thats it... no insurance company and no bill, as you paid already from taxes.
A pipe dream thats a reality for us over here on the sensible side of the Atlantic.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist I presume there are no waiting lists to see an oncologist while your cancer grows. I presume noone has to wait months for a hip replacement and be in a wheelchair in the meantime. I presume there aren't queues months long for people to get a heart bypass, some of whom die from a heart attack while they wait in line? Oh no wait, there are - state healthcare rationing for everyone ftw!!!!
richardcadbury 2 months ago
@richardcadbury There is a 2 week wait between seeing the Gp, and a cancer specialist if your GP predicts any cancer... and there is no more than 3 months for any operation or procedure. This is government policy, and targets are set. If they are not met the NHS provider in question will be under investigation. You can get private healthcare if you want, and get it instantly... its your choice. I use a wheelchair, and have expensive prescriptions. I could not afford that if I had to pay.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@richardcadbury Im biased I guess because Id b screwed if I had to pay for treatment I just had an op on my belly and got to clean the wound area out everyday with saline using surgical instruments. This would cost a fortune, but fortunately... all NHS funded. I think in the long run the state saves because if it got infected, or I continued having the belly problems Id have to keep going in. No bills to worry about. Ive been at home recovering for a month. I also got welfare in this period.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist You just said you pay for your healthcare via your taxes. So if you didn't have to pay your NHS taxes you wouldn't be screwed at all - you'd keep the money and be able to buy your healthcare privately. Get well soon! :)
richardcadbury 2 months ago
@richardcadbury You realize America is the only Industrialized nation without universal healthcare right? And on top of that the most sickening fact about the American "healthcare" system is that insurance companies can drop people. Essentially forcing people into bankruptcy. What if this happened to you? Then all of a sudden a Nation ran insurance company where you can't be dropped sounds awesome. I'm absolutely appalled at the people who know nothing about this and yet knock it
Anon1352 2 months ago 29
@Anon1352 I'm against the American status quo too.
richardcadbury 2 months ago
@Anon1352 America needs to return to it's founding principles, and if we do then the world will be prosperous and free once more..
jod34 4 days ago
@richardcadbury 1. that it if the companies would want to accept you for private healthcare. You could easily be denied by everyone for various reasons, which often happens 2. the taxes put forth for NHS amount to a lot less then it would to pay for individual healthcare on your own because the taxes aren't just for you it goes forth for everyone and everyone also puts in their fair share.So yes they most likely would've been very screwed under our system.
iluvdrakeandjosh 1 month ago
@iluvdrakeandjosh You're saying "everyone pays their fair share". So I presume you'd be happy to not allow NHS care to those who haven't paid enough in taxes to cover their treatment?
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LucySISEL 4 months ago
I would be in favor of Obama care but for the fact that its forced. What about the religious nuts that beleave go will heal them? That probly aint gonna happen, but its their right to beleave that, so why force them to carry health insurence they will never use?
woltz9999 4 months ago
Why is the United States so afraid of 'socialism'?
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@42mada bear in mind that most of those against the health care reform tend to spell it as socililism.
Khuratokh 4 months ago
@42mada Lack of trust, lack of faith.
castrokobe24 3 months ago
@42mada Because apparently many Americans have not taken a single History course, so they never learned the difference between Socialism, Communism, and Fascism.
melrastessa 2 months ago
@42mada Because most of us don't realize how bad-ass a lot of it is.
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@42mada that's a good question
iluvdrakeandjosh 1 month ago
@42mada because it obviously sucks.....that is why socialist europe is about to collapse. god people are retarded....i did not expect this shit from nerd fighters
b22frozenfire 1 month ago
@b22frozenfire I agree that pure socialism isn't realistic for governments, but I do not agree with your "witty" comeback. I'm assuming you are a nerd fighter given that you have used the terminology. If that's the case, I'm again assuming you have seen John's video about properly insulting people. Frankly, you are doing it wrong. I think you definitely could have acted more conscientiously. Nerdfighteria is a community of kind, understanding people and I do not appreciate you undermining it.
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@soccerrulz88 hahaha sorry. I cannot believe these toad belly knaves. Thou wholesome and senseless villains!!
b22frozenfire 1 month ago
@b22frozenfire I like you much better now :) Even if you are a carcass fit for hounds...
soccerrulz88 1 month ago
@soccerrulz88 "pure socialism isn't realistic" Please explain your concept of pure socialism? Pure capitalism I think I understand, pure communism again I think I can get. Even if I find the possibility of either actually being a workable alternative to having a mixed socialist, capitalist, liberal democratic economy. Where does pure socialism become communism where does liberal socialism become capitalism? You could have a UHC funded out of tax (socialism) run by private companies (capitalism
davijeph 1 month ago
@davijeph You make a valid point. It is a grey area, but socialism means that although property is communal the state still exists and there is some governing party. And while there may be countries who call themselves communist, given Marx's definition we cannot say that there have been any purely communist countries. They have all been socialist, in my opinion. People may disagree with me but I believe we have yet to see pure communism and I doubt we will ever have one.
soccerrulz88 1 month ago
@soccerrulz88 Socialism does not mean property is communal. All western style liberal democracies including the US are socialist. In the US medicare in the UK the NHS are examples. That does not mean property is communal I live in my own home purchased by money from my own efforts working in a capitalist private enterprise environment. In Communism the state owns all property and land. Socialism is where we democratically agree the State be responsible for certain aspects of welfare. Regards
davijeph 1 month ago
@b22frozenfire As someone living in europe, I wouldn't say that it IS necessarily about to collapse, Eurozone is having a small crisis but they are working on it and we can't say what the future will hold (also none of the countries affected by the eurozone crisis which is what i'm assuming you are referring to are socialist). I expect more informed answers from nerdfighters. I also expect more acceptance that the truth resists simplicity, Socialism is very good in theory.
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@Shellewell okay, well i was just pointing something out but you are right. it is just annoying how here in america there is a wave of pro socialist activists which blindly support it even as it can not work once applied to america. firstly, i believe europe needs a bit of socialism to keep there strong nationalistic behavior at bay. i have been to almost all the european nations and i lived in switzerland. further more, regarding europe, within the next ten years i believe it will
b22frozenfire 1 month ago
@b22frozenfire totally transform either due to a major war or economic collapse. but back to socialism, it cannot work in any way in america openly because it simple isn't in the american mind to accept it. right now we basically have it, but the people are not revolting because it is not declared socialist and the general american public is not that intelligent to realize it. but just out of curiosity, what country are you from? I'm from New york :)
b22frozenfire 1 month ago
@b22frozenfire Ok, that's fair enough, I'm happy with it as long as it's put forth as an opinion and with goo reasoning. I don't know what the next 10 years will hold but i've got my fingers crossed. I'm from the UK (well, Scotland to be precise).
Shellewell 1 month ago
@b22frozenfire and simpler than that, accept that there are nerdfighters of all political leanings. Nerdfighters are supposed to be accepting of other people's opinions and ideas, preferring rational debate to mindlessly saying that socialism sucks without good reasoning why. Don't be a giant squid of anger.
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@42mada because of propaganda since the red scare
takerhbkfan 1 month ago
@42mada Its been demonized for decades. It is not necessarily that people are afraid of socialism it is that they are afraid of being labeled as socialists. But the acceptance of socialism is on the rise and perhaps in several decades America could become a democratic-socialist state which really isn't all that bad, its the dictatorship-socialist states that are the problem.
strickerman101 1 month ago
@42mada Short answer is America is a constitutional republic and our constitution says limited government and maximum freedom and socialism is unlimited government and minimum freedom. We are not afraid of socialism, did you see what we did to the Nazis in WW2? We kicked their donkeys. Freedom always wins. That's why we don't like socialism.
azbpro 3 weeks ago
@azbpro I cannot believe that you just compared Nazi-regime control over citizens on the same level of anti-freedom as socialized medicine, which practically every other well-developed country in the nation has. I'd also like to see where the constitution promised not to provide an unbiased health care system, or even where it says "limited government", being a government document itself.
In addition to those misconceptions, socialism is not unlimited government. That is communism.
parkourisawesome1 3 weeks ago
@parkourisawesome1 Giving the government the power to decide how you spend your money is virtually giving them complete control of your life. The constitution limits government through the 10th amendment, by saying that any powers not given to the fed through the constitution are reserved for the people. Socialism gives all power to the federal government, thus it is unconstitutional. Read the constitution please. The constitution is not for restricting the rights of the people, but for the gov.
azbpro 3 weeks ago
@azbpro Yes government is limited in the tenth amendment, but arguing that universal heath care is unconstitutional is entirely unfounded. In article one section eight of the constitution congress IS given control over interstate commerce and general welfare; and allowed to pass "all laws necessary and proper for carrying out" these things. universal health care pertains to both the general welfare and interstate commerce and therefore falls well within government jurisdiction.
Mythman1995 3 weeks ago
@Mythman1995 Okay how about instead of calling it welfare we call it socialism, now where is it authorized? Just naming something out of the constitution isn't an excuse to make it constitutional. When they wrote the constitution general welfare didn't mean what it means today, it meant protecting the lives and liberties of the American people. Today it means taking lives and liberties from on person and giving it to another. Two completely different ideas.
azbpro 3 weeks ago
@azbpro I could name a program for executing poor people "welfare" and now it's suddenly legal under the constitution? I don't think so. If you want to make healthcare available for large amounts of people, you start a health insurance company, not go into the government, because that's forcing people to buy from your company which is unconstitutional. I say if someone doesn't want to buy health care then they shouldn't have to, and it should NEVER be a government program.
azbpro 3 weeks ago
@parkourisawesome1 - lol I don't know if you realized "which practically every other well-developed country in the NATION has" - you probably meant WORLD but just saying... lolz. If there are so many socialist countries why do socialists come to America that is my question. Me and my family prefer a free country, where we don't have to buy anything, that's why we came here.
azbpro 3 weeks ago
@42mada Even a more simple answer, it forces me to pay for it. It obstructs my personal liberties. Ron Paul 2012
Purplesnow420 3 weeks ago
@42mada Because it is basically the opposite of whate we stand for retard
KODYMISTER 3 weeks ago
@42mada because in the US socialism is this word that carries with it all these horrible connotations. People here The word "socialism" and it makes them uneasy, partly because many jump straight to communism and partly the meaning of the word doesn't matter to them-its just they're afraid of the odd. i would argue 2 things
1) most americans would be in favour of the real message of socialism if they could see past all the connotations the word brings
2) socialism is good :) helps people DFTBA!
imrorykelly 3 weeks ago
@42mada it has more to do with a fundamental change in politics and of faith and just plain misunderstanding of the facts. I for one do not support it. Due to the fact that it is more akin to existentialism than a capitalist based society. We take care of our self!
fromero69 3 weeks ago
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@fromero69 because eventually you run out of other people's money. It's the opposite of free market economics that made America great... and socialism has always failed... oh yeh and forcing somebody else to use the fruits of their labor for your benefit without giving them an equally valuable trade... is SLAVERY
crispymidget 2 weeks ago
@42mada We are too obsessed with our constitution that says the government can't do things like that. Most people think we should just burn it and convert to socialism. I say let the U.S. stay free and let the people who want to live in socialism live in a socialist country.
azbpro 2 weeks ago
@42mada because eventually you run out of other people's money. It's the opposite of free market economics that made America great... and socialism has always failed... oh yeh and forcing somebody else to use the fruits of their labor for your benefit without giving them an equally valuable trade... is SLAVERY
crispymidget 2 weeks ago
@42mada Conservatives think big government is tyrannical, don't trust it and opt for military, security, and prison industrial complex. Liberals think of corporations being tyrannical, don't trust them and opt for a big government nanny state. Personally I think health should be universal yet not compulsory and information must be kept private between patient and doctor. We don't trust our government to do anything because of how shifty it behaves historically and presently. Anarchy USA.
KwellingtonK 2 weeks ago
@KwellingtonK What makes you think that the patient/doctor relationship is not private in those western style democratic countries that use a form of UHC system and how can healthcare be universal unless all citizens are allowed to use it?
davijeph 1 week ago
@davijeph to your first question i don't think patient doctor confidentiality is NECESSARILY breached in western democracies with UHC. I'm merely pondering over the continued tyrannical policies of the USA security state. I'm not implying anything about Canada or Europe. I'm implying the USA is constructing an information empire on its citizens. To the second UHC should be ALLOWED for everyone. That's not the same as compulsory. I should be able to opt out. No Gov force on me to stay.
KwellingtonK 1 week ago
@KwellingtonK By the very use of the word "Universal" implies their can be no op-outs any more than you op-in. The whole point of a UHC is it gives every citizen the "Universal* right to have healthcare in the same the Nation supplies "universal" right to police protection, the criminal law and justice protection from out external threats by the nations arm forces these are all paid for out of the collective will and need healthcare is simply another vital part of living in a civilised society
davijeph 1 week ago
@davijeph this is indeed correct the meaning of universal. I also see how if you allow people to opt out how it could be problematic and lead to a failure to sustain the entire system. However I don't see how you can force a person to pay for another person's healthcare through taxation against their will if a person doesn't want coverage for themselves. That would be coercion. I love the quick fix of UHC, universal, make it work and we're done. I'm speaking for those who don't want it
KwellingtonK 1 week ago
@KwellingtonK Societies, States, Nations are held together by a sense of common purpose and protection, agreed? All people who are members of the "Nation" must have a feeling that ALL in some way have shared duties and responsibilities to each other. Examples defence, obeying the law, many feel this must also include the vital requirements of life the need for water, food, environment this list must also include access to affordable healthcare for ALLl. It does not include ALL have an iPad.
davijeph 1 week ago
@KwellingtonK If we except this (and many will not) a way must be found so cost effective heath care can be supplied to ALL (food subsidies ensure cheap basic food for all). Charities could not ensure the money required to do this only some form of collective responsibility by ALL will do it. Their are many Nations with UHC and all those UHC's are different some highly centralised like the Brit NHS some use private companies but all cost less and supply more than the present US system.
davijeph 1 week ago
@davijeph I'm enjoying this dialogue. I should inform you I've for many years been in favor of UHC. I'm glad to be hammering out my new concerns with a smart and compassionate youtuber as yourself. I agree food, environment, education and health are human rights and needs. I honestly wish sometimes I lived in a European socialist democracy. America can't seem to get its socialized medical systems to work in an affordable way. Why do you think that is? poor organization or lack of funds
KwellingtonK 1 week ago
@KwellingtonK I think you are far too pessimistic about America. Yes, you do have some lunatics possibly more than most but that is more the result of your media being controlled, for the most part, by self-serving media moguls. Most Americans even on the right can understand the dangers of political and economic extremism no matter where it comes from. Don't forget Europe as had to learn this the hard way but we still have our extremists and nutters.
davijeph 1 week ago
@KwellingtonK The answer to your question can be found in the power of the middlemen who make a fortune out of medicine but do not supply so much as an Aspirin. Your medical insurance companies control not just the information about healthcare but has the power to corrupt your political system. They are reaping an immense income out of the fear of being sick using part of that income to protect themselves. Break the insurance companies cartel you will get your cheap access to health.
davijeph 1 week ago
Why does everything make more sense when John Green says it??
JoyRenee1110 5 months ago in playlist More videos from vlogbrothers
So what that is socialized medicine? Healthcare must be free for all. Its not supposed to be a bussines like in USA.
Simple plan : U pay tax: Part of the tax goes to national heathcare
Look across the pond. No one complains socialized heathcare system
zer0lis 5 months ago
There are to be enough surgeons. There are to be enough Doctors and Nurses at each hospital to meet population needs. There are to be enough nurses and doctors in a population. They are to be on-call when emergency happens. There are to be enough Emergency Response Units to meet population needs in case of emergency. Required by Law they are to respond ASAP.
tnguyen318 5 months ago
Nobody talking about supplies and demands. This is how the real capitalist economy works.
You increase the supplies of doctors, nurse, drugs, hospitals, beds. You lower the price of healthcare.
If Obama take the same money that he had and build more medical schools to train 1 million extra doctors, nobody has to spend over thousand dollars to get treatments.
Civsuccess2 5 months ago
Here is how Hospitals should be. Beds must be comfortable with massage and back controls. There must be enough beds to meet population needs. Advanced real monitoring equipments must be researched. There must be enough vaccines and anti-dotes for disasters. There are to be emergency mats stored in the lower basement. Emergency Rooms must be easy accessible for Emergency Response Unit.
tnguyen318 5 months ago
Current system = socialism.
Obamacare = republicanism
Why? In the current system, tax payers have to pick up the tab of the people who cannot afford healthcare. Tax payers = top 10% pays most of tax because it's a progressive tax. This means rich people pays for the healthcare of the poor.
Under Obamacare, rich people pay less because the middle class will now pay more.
Civsuccess2 5 months ago
wow
LittleMissFree 5 months ago
So just because i don't want to pay someone else, i can't pay at all? it sounds nice, but i don't have healthcare, and that's not my fault, it's my father's because i am a minor. as soon as i can pay for it i'll get healthcare, but right now i can't so what do i do?
joey50557 5 months ago
Great video highlighting some of the problems of health care and some of the arguments about how to pay for it. But the problem is not about how to pay for it, it is how much it costs. To really solve the problem, we need to lower the cost of health care. Check out this vid /watch?v=dNPZI4gLhT8 to see some interesting solutions for the health care COST crisis.
TheOrriant 6 months ago
John is laudably honest in the consequences of a privilege vs. a right, however I disagree with the conclusion. The implicit premise upon which this entire argument rests is that rights are not objective. "We believe it is a right." But it's not entirely his fault, the founders accidentally used the term "self-evident" to emphasize the importance of rights, simultaneously exposing them to subjectivity. Real rights (i.e. rights to action) really are objective, however. That's the error here.
henry770 6 months ago
Google *ALEC Exposed* by John Nichols at The Nation.
ALEC Sabotaged HC reform/Single Payer efforts. They crafted the Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act, which, despite its Orwellian name, was written to DENY the citizens of any state that passed it the freedom to set up a Single Payer system. It played a key role in a well-coordinated effort to keep the most progressive proposals from being enacted at the state or federal level while blocking provisions imposing oversight of ins companies.
TheeUnidentified 6 months ago
Congratulations! You took an issue that could fill volumes of books and condensed it down to 3 minutes and 51 seconds. You did such a good job that you didn’t even need to take the full 10 minutes that YouTube offers. You also managed not to say a damn thing. This issue is more complicated than most people including you realize.
Also, you need to do some research on what a “right” actually is. And at least acknowledge that there is middle ground between the different sides.
HumanNonPerson 6 months ago
This is a really excellent read for me. Must agree that you are one of the best bloggers I ever saw. Thanks for posting this informative article.
sonamsnv 6 months ago
I love this view point and here is my response. I do not want people to be denied Health Care. So, I must believe it is a right. To stay Constitutional, I read the Constitution to find out what it says the Federal Government's powers are, regarding Health Care. There isn't anything there. So, that means it automatically falls under "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
TheWazzFamily 6 months ago
@FreeMarketLibertaria "The US spends 16% of GDP on health care, because it is the best place in the world to get health care" this isn't true, US care (performance, not cost) is comparable with all the other developed nations (ie.compare international medical error rates). Plus 47 million Americans have no coverage (45,000 die every year as a result). Also under the private system, billions and billions are wasted on: lawsuits, company profits, non-paying patients etc...
TheRandiniarolla 6 months ago
This should be shown at all rave clubs !
GrayRepublic 7 months ago
I absolutely love how so many people argue that this bill kills the insurance companies' ability to compete when it actually creates competition for the first time. If you argue for a free-market and true capitalism then you'd better be ready to face the reality of that: other people are going to try and create a better product than you.
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stuart1116 7 months ago
Who exactly is paying for this so called right? Where in the Constitution is Socialized Healthcare mentioned? I personally enjoy working for the first 6 Months of the year for free so that I can pay for this right for others who dont work. And do not try and say that unemployment is effecting you, there are plenty of jobs out there, just ones that you might not want to do. Most things in life are "have to's" not want-to's" suck it up and get out of my business and wallet.
Charlie150 7 months ago
Quit the illusion, USA! Your healthcare system is number 37, just in front of Slovenia according to the WHO's international rankings. The UK, with it's NHS is number 19, and France, also a universal system financed by state health insurance is NUMBER ONE. Lagging behind, huh?
Just because you happen to have the experts living in your country doesn't mean everything is going to turn crap if you adopt a state system. Britain saw a serious improvement in health with th advent of the NHS.
BasilFawlty4444 7 months ago 20
@BasilFawlty4444
there are tradeoffs b/t efficiency (not $) and equality. It is a FACT that public healthcare systems progress b/c of american innovation in the biomedical field. look at the list of nobel prize winners- mostly americans. Our system may not be as equal, but long term implications for quality care in the world is affected when the US private system stops innovating. innovation comes from private funding, not gov subsidies. you're just as blinded for thinking public is a panacea
kidhuddie 7 months ago
@kidhuddie Well then, by all means keep a private health industry alongside a state-funded one... even the UK has the private option! Just don't deny people who can't afford healthcare the right to be treated.
It is simply astounding that the US spends trillions on nukes and black projects, but fails to provide it's own people with quality healthcare.
Your current system is like something out of the dark ages, and simply tells the world how plutocratic the US continues to be.
BasilFawlty4444 7 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444
haha well we spend trillions on healthcare, not nukes and blackprojects. hence the majority of US citizens wanting healthcare reform. its obvious our system has its problems, yet it also has many benefits which includes the highest capacity for quality care (high # of international patients i mean plutocrats- money talks everywhere its not just an american thing) , innovation, quality rapid response, etc. Our hospital ER's are socialized and nobody is ever denied emergency care.
kidhuddie 7 months ago
@kidhuddie
I don't know if you realize that, whether privately or publicly funded, the healthcare system has absolutely nothing to do with research and development of new drugs and vaccines. The pharmaceutical industry develops them along with universities and government-funded research centres. You're conjoining American innovation with it's private health system, which is comparing apples to oranges. The innovation should stay but the private system has to go.
Tabletop1000 7 months ago
@Tabletop1000 Actually you are 100% wrong. Government subsidies and grants (public money) only fund around 1/3 of the research and development in the US. The rest is private investemnt and capital; insurance corporations, private universities, research institutions, teaching hospitals etc yes they receive monetary incentives from the gov however most of the money and assets are private. the private system needs to stay and public plans need to become more efficient and cost effective
kidhuddie 7 months ago
@kidhuddie
That is exactly what I said: "The pharmaceutical industry develops them (drugs and new products) along with universities and government-funded research centres." It is all well for private companies to be the primary producers of drugs and whatnot as they will attempt to create the best product, but when it comes to healthcare their bottom line comes before the health of the country. That is how companies work and why the government should take over healthcare instead of being behind
Tabletop1000 7 months ago
God, I hate how Americans associate socialism with communism. In reality, the truth is far from it.
If you asked a Brit what socialism meant to them, they would probably say something along the lines of Old Labour, or name Anuerin Bevan, Tony Benn or Neil Kinnock... all respectable politicians, legitimately elected, supporters of democracy and freedom, and members of a major political party.
Socialism isn't something to be afraid of. If you dig deep enough, most of us are socialists at heart!
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newperpblog 7 months ago
This version is sorta hypnotic.
I know very little about the Americian healthcare system but it sounds rather compicated and terrifying.
Even the NHS in UK, which is often quite successful but could do with alot more support from the current government, sounds far far easier and fairer than the USA's.
Anyway this video helped alot, this version was easier to understand with the animations.
AdamtheAsh 7 months ago
Here in Wales healthcare is free (other than less than £10/month taken from our wages). Prescription drugs are also free but now the government is seriously considering giving benefits to private healthcare to re-introduce competition, therefore lowering patient numbers dependant on the NHS, which reduces the massive amounts of excessive £££ spent on public healthcare.
Ideally diet pig is the best as it reduced the strain on the government, gives business opportunity and gets everybody treated.
Bvenged505 7 months ago
Nice animation, but you make a mistake in your evaluation of the issue. The free-market side does not support our current system, which is what you argue against on behalf of socialism. You even explain that our current system is already socialist, which I'd say it's more corporatist if anything, but either way, both of those are detrimental.
TheMoriMaster 8 months ago
@AtibbsSPARTAN No many countries have efficient socialized medicine eg: Canada, U.K., France, etc.
DinoTubz9638 8 months ago
I couldn't even hear what John was saying by the end because Thought Bubble put in that music!
M00k64 8 months ago
DANG. I understood some of what John was explaining in his original video, but this helped WAY more!
singlexfilexisxlove 8 months ago
Great video.
NYC1E1 8 months ago
Please see youtube “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context” one of the few genuinely knowledgable, informing and unbiased vid's to be found on youtube about health care.
davijeph 8 months ago
"inefficiency of socialized medicine" Isn't that redundant
AtibbsSPARTAN 8 months ago
Stupid video. The maker confuses positive rights with negative ones.
AK49Gunner 8 months ago
I've heard some pretty insane arguments about schools and how we shouldn't be paying for other people's children to fuck up and get bad grades. However I believe we all deserve a fair shake in life. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have money to get health care. For example, I have 4 bad wisdom teeth, one is infected. Can I get them taken care of? Nope, I have no insurance. I am essentially screwed and have to suffer. Is helping your neighbor out so bad? Even knowing you can benefit too?
Bradsama 8 months ago
It's not Health Care. It's Medical Care.
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KriLeyTUBE 8 months ago
finally someone who says the truth, who says that socialism isnt bad and says beeing healthy is a RIGHT
thank you thank you thank you
Quaddel97 8 months ago
@Quaddel97
Health care is a right like owning guns is a right. You government can't stopping you from getting it, but it doesn't have to force othe rpeople to provide you with it.
AK49Gunner 8 months ago
@AK49Gunner The problem isn't choosing to get health care the problem is people are dying because they can't get health care due to extremely high costs of health care in America.
fireyhope86 8 months ago
Fortunately, the president chose to kill the bloated, inefficient pig by overfeeding it with 30 million additional customers care of a government mandate that people purchase insurance. He managed to sell this rat poison bill by pointing to a few yummy cherries on top -- pre-existing conditions, kids stay on insurance until they're 26, and the like. But hey, a rat poision sandwich with a couple cherries on top beats being hungry, right? G0Bama 2012!!
ReElectBarack0bama 9 months ago 21
@ReElectBarack0bama He will not be reelected. His is a racist anti American loser socialist.
ARepublicanVictory 6 months ago
Here is the Health Care plan. 250 Million people x $35.00 / Month = $10 Billion. Case Closed.
tnguyen318 5 months ago
@tnguyen318 The U.S. spends 16% of its $14.6 trillion GDP on health care. Your $10 billion a year plan doesn't come close to covering the $2.3 trillion tab we already have. You fail at math. Case closed.
ReElectBarack0bama 5 months ago
That's $10 Billion a month. 16% of 14.6 Trillion = $2.8 Trillion. That $2.8 Trillion consists mostly of Wall Street Pharmaceuticals overcharging. Hospitals are overcharging also. Medical School is a Lie. You get your degree via under the table Government Favoritism. You go Practice Medicine on the corner street of a neighborhood charging $15,000 for a common cold. All this Building for what?? Meanwhile Hotels and Casinos are being built polluting the entire Ecology.
tnguyen318 5 months ago
@tnguyen318 $10 billion a month x 12 months = $120 billion a year, not nearly enough to cover our health care costs. Obama's plan to force everyone to buy unaffordable, substandard health care from insurance companies out to nickel and dime their customers was clearly the best idea.
ReElectBarack0bama 4 months ago
They include Monthly Insurance Rates in their Health Care Cost calculations. It doesn't accurately reflect real world problems. $125 a month x 250 Million People in the United States will add up to $25 Billion / month x 12 = 300 Billion. They also include Government Health Care Costs unrelated to Everyday People Health Care expenses. Clearly a Pot Luck Health Care System is the Best System.
tnguyen318 4 months ago
When you were talking about the human rights, I beleive it is two of three you stated. Life, you have to be healthy to live
Happieness, "Be happy, be healthy" quoted by Cherieos.
The people that were saying that we're good, I thought "Yeah, because you're insured and probly don't care about the people non-insured. (Young nerdfighters stop reading now) Selfish bastards." I think that healthcare is a RIGHT. I mean, we live in this country. A nation isn't land, it's the people who live there.
ejdines 9 months ago
@ejdines I believe the "selfish bastards" would be the one claiming an entitlement to health care in a country where probably less than 10% of the population meets minimum standards for being "healthy" and making sound choices. The primary reason insurance costs have skyrocketed is because of skyrocketing pool risk due to an insanely unhealthy, 34% obese country. How is giving free care to people who don't look after themselves supposed to do anything but worsen our costs even more???
thereinliestherib 8 months ago
I cant get jiggy with this shit
codept121 9 months ago
Well that is the problem with the US. The private health insurance companies are not playing by the rules. The medicare system is also far too incomplete.
Obama's plan was a good plan, but the problem is it got watered down due to political oppositions. In a time when we need to cut spending, the GOP are giving the rich several tax cuts and also extended the Bush tax cut for 2 years.
If we are going to see a single payer or public option health care it would be from the states.
Neosaigo 9 months ago
@Neosaigo i wish i could give you 100 thumbs ups
Quaddel97 8 months ago
the real problem is simple -
as far as the "private insurance" system, very few of those insured actually ever HAD TO shop for their plan & provider (employer insured)
and of almost ALL of those either Privately or Publicly insured NEVER see an actual BILL / or the COST of the services provided by the doctors in advance!
Zaxxon2008 9 months ago
i would argue that we help uninsured people because we,as americans, feel bad for them,BUT I AGREE on the fact that we need to stop helping them,because they need to take care of themselves for the fact that Beacause one day,they will stop being helped.
This comment is coming from a frikin 13 year old girl
Fashoniesta 9 months ago
@Fashoniesta Thank you for clarifying that in the end, i almost got upset
OIVIFG 9 months ago
KILL THE BIG
Jamesscalise 9 months ago
@Manofheart777 i would love to see how it would work over if you tried to tell that to a child whos mom has died of cancer because she couldn't pay for her chemo!
22350693521 9 months ago
@22350693521 Which is an absurd hyperbole, because most of our national HC expenditures are for ailments related to personal irresponsibility: heart disease/diabetes from poor diet and lack of exercies, lung cancer from smoking, etc.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@22350693521 can you tell me why chemo is expensive? instead of jumping in and paying for her cost, shouldnt we make the price low so that she can pay for it on her own without going bankrupt or paying for health insurance.
It's expensive so that the insurance companies can charge you high premium.
madnessdexter 9 months ago
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imeqsmd 9 months ago
You aren't entitled to shit ! Work and pay your damn bills like everyone else you lazy fatass .
despotism444 9 months ago
Health is not a right, it's a privilege kid...
Manofheart777 9 months ago
This riemide me of the three alications of resoreses. Capitalism, Communism, and Socalism.
Capitalism has a bad name becoues of greed. Yet it uses profit as a tool to help the alicaiton of resores to improve itself.
Socalism is like this vidio discribed when the state give the resorses and servisism like the police force.
Communism is really has a bad name becouse of stallen but it origainl meaning is when the community own the property and servism, none profit is communism. Like stonesoup
WEH1123 9 months ago
European nations w/ government healthcare have 10%+ unemployment and are bankrupt(ex: Spain, Ireland, Portugal). Are these the type of nations we want to emulate? Plus if the government can force you to buy healthcare, what's next?
realm313 9 months ago
In my country we have a socialized healthcare system.I pay a small percent of my monthly income as a tax for it. I see the doctor family doctor very often so i keep myself healthy.I use private clinics when i have a bigger health problem because they provide quality treatment and its NOT expensive.
Americans , team up , get in the street ,protest, change your politicians ,do whatever u need to get a proper healthcare!
zer0lis 9 months ago
@zer0lis American HC is expensive primarily because of insurance pool risk, which is due to an extremely unhealthy country. To get proper health care, a lot of Americans would have to hit the streets for a run, not a protest!!! LOL.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
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imeqsmd 9 months ago
Ugh stupid pig. Why can't we all just chop it up have bacon and be happy :)
hollisterseagullJS 9 months ago
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Obama used it in the health care bill. It was used in the health care law. What is Obamas doing to R country. Dhimmitude, Never heard the word Till now. Google it, It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill. It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude Dhimmitude: the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. It is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.
onstageagain 9 months ago
Wait nfo s are designed to be cheaper so that almost everyone can have insurance got the fraction of Americans that are left I say govt clinics.
rockinandout 9 months ago
I think Americans should seriously consider Single-Payer
MomSaysImCool 9 months ago
What about Children who get lukemia or cancer or any kid of illness and their parents can't get or can't afford the health insurance? We live in a country that will turn thoes children away because we have a "only think about yourself" attitude. Remember the movie John Q? That was a true story, and in AMERICA. Oh how we fall short to our own people. I guess "screw the middle class" should be our motto. I pray for American's to wake up.
NowThePeople 10 months ago
@NowThePeople Thinking for one self includes taking responsibility for one's actions. I support having my unused insurance dollars going to the care of the needy. But the numbers clearly demonstrate that the majority of those HC dollars go to treating people with conditions that are a direct cause of their own poor health choices. I don't pay more for car insurance just so bad drivers can afford to drive--so why should the young and healthy be forced to pay for baby boomer irresponsibility?
thereinliestherib 10 months ago
@thereinliestherib I understand what you are saying, however our tax dollars already pay for them, with Social Security and Medicare. They say that by the time a 20 something retires the retirement age will be 72 yrs. old, and there will be no more SS left for us.
NowThePeople 9 months ago
@NowThePeople Exactly. So why do you support forcing the youth to pay into programs whose benefits they likely will never see? Why are they beholden to others debt and irresponsibility? Why should the youth be forced into underwriting the institutionalized waste of state economies, while the country's economic competitiveness only sinks lower and lower precisely because of such socialized policies?
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
The non-profit idea is already being used to line the pockets of those companies. Let me explain. Blue Cross/Blue Shield is considered a 501b non-profit corporation. What they do is split up all their profits amongst the board of directors, and that's their salary. So technically no profit went to the company, and they don't have to pay income taxes.
commodorefan2 10 months ago
I think that we should keep our current health care system, but like the cost of electricity and water, it should be highly regulated by the government
japanesepoptart 10 months ago