norway now got 100 000 km Coastal line:D because of the fjords and islands. We only got coastXD That line is bigger than australias. But norway is smaller, but fucked up with fjords
this video makes me a proud Norwegian, hope just not the super-social part of the government that nobody actually votes on, but is still in government, does not destroy completely the military power as one would need when the battle for Artic come.
You should all search for the Norwegian SKJOLD class MTB-s. They are the worlds fastest warships. Goes in excess of 60 knots. Both the frigates and the MTB's will / are equipped with the NSM missile. A fighter version of the missile ( JSF ) is now developed to go with the upcomming F35 fighters of the Royal Norwegian Airforce. In aditittion we have the NASAMS rocket system. The Norwegian launcher that is currently defending the Whitehouse & congress in the US and has been for the last 10 yers
An impressive warship! welldone Spain....... i mean Norway hahaha! Regardless of where there built there still an impressive piece of kit, thumbs up for actually building them!
A fucking badass looking ship with real good performance data. I hope our new F125 "Baden-Württemberg" class frigates also get such a good ship. No matter, i love the Fridtjof Nansen class :-)
just out of curiosity, is Norway's navy more powerful than sweden's navy ?
since norway has much more American made equipment, and some things with American equipment inside it, like this here aegis frigate, whereas swedish have mostly german and swedish stuff.
its rather equeal , noway, and swedens navy..norway still got frigates..than some patroll / missile boats, sweden 11 corvettes ( 5 of those are the visby stealth corvett) than a lot of smaller ships, patrol, a few MTB, and mine vessels which more or less just can hunt submarine, and put out mines..so dont count em =)..
than sweden got pretty good submarine ..spec gotland class, there is an link about it " beware US"
@00wille19: Well, it is to completly different navys. Norwegian and danish navy has frigs due to island they have to protect, such as svalbard and greenland. The swedes only have to protect their coastline, so the navies are different. If Dk and No, didnt have islenad to cover, we would have used corvettes too.The swedish navy is good, but i think their army are much stronger.
@Raekken1 How? Do you mean unmobilized military? While the Norwegian special forces are much better at what they do, we have HV, so mobilized I don't think we'd be far behind the Swedes, at least not 3 to 1 like you said. 1.5 to 1 would be more correct if so. Not that it matter, because they are our brothers in arms (unless you fail us one more time like in WWII, Sweden) lol :)
@AucklandMate24 "America equipment" dosent mean the best :) Sweden has some equipment that are far beyond what the americans have, and vise versa. If you think america has the best equipment you eather have seen to much hollywood movies or ure an ignorant patriot. With that said, i do think the norwegian navy are more powerfull, why? Because we spend more on our navy, and much more depends on it. On the other hand i do think the swedish army is stronger then the norwegian one.
@danneeh95 Sweden dont need frigates, norway and denmark do. We have to protect iselands such as svalbard and greenland. If that wasent the case we would have corvettes like Sweden. Sweden are much more dependent on their army then thir navy.
@Tordenguden Wow that is just plain wrong. While I'm Norwegian myself, I won't stand idly by when such bullcrap is launched. If there's a war, we wouldn't care sh*t about Svalbard and Greenland LOL! THose are WEATHERSTATIONS!! Omg.. we need our Navy to protect the OSLOFJORD, to protect NARVIK (both for vital naval shipping, vital for other countries as well), and then Bergen, Kristiansand, Ålesund etc.
And LOL! Sweden of COURSE need their navy, one word: ÖRESUND (and Kattegat) !
@SebSk 1.Thats not the point. To protect our costal line we have Skjold class and subs, costal defense etc. The frigates are for surveillance and open sea operations. If DK and NO didnt have to cover such large ereas, we eould do fine with corvettes and subs. Thats a fact, read more into our navies. 2. Never said Sweden didnt need a navy, but unlike DK and NO they do not need ships for open sea operations, but they do need a navy for costal protection and guarding swedish waters.
- you do not need frigates for that. 3. Dont tell me about nordic history, as this is what im studying at the uni. To use the sea battles of Öresund and Kattegat as examples are just idiotic, that a completly different time and situation. First, Sweden had interests in the baltics, they were an agressive country with hughe ambissions. And to lunch troops into the mainland the needed a fleet to protect the troop movments. For protecting the motherland, sweden has always been more depended on a -
@Tordenguden Your second part of reply; 3; I didn't refer to any specific sea battles. Those examples aren't idiotic, though. But the Finns would i.e. have had a much easier time during WWII (thinking especially of Viipuri) if the allies could've blocked Kattegat, though this is wishful thinking. Those straits are critical for Scandinavia in imagination of a full scale war, which I imagined when I wrote this. As of piracy, there's not much in neither of our waters.. so I guess it's a valid point
@Tordenguden And I don't "tell you about Nordic history" although I claim to know a lot, it was merely a strategic point of view. On a side note, large parts of Norway's coastal defense are elite mobile SAM units, very effective against large warships too large for our ships to handle.
It's so funny reading what clueless people says. But yeah, our navy aren't the strongest, our government gives most of their money on our special forces and really suck on recruiting people to the navy by putting 98% of the people who wants to serve in the navy are getting security service on our naval bases. I'm proud of our military and navy, but sadly our special forces are our prime ministers little penis enlarger.
The value of Norwegian weapons export increased in 2008 by all of 44.5%. For the first time the figures for foreign trade show that the export amounts to more than 3 billion kroners (354.000 euros). That is 954 million kroners more than in 2007. The weapons export to the USA alone has increased by no less than 85.6% and is now 1.7 billion kroners (199.000 euros).
So it does not seem it has decresed the later years.
@Nortrix87 Arms AND AMMUNITIONS. It's very important to make that distinction. You just said weapons originally. If you want a link to the newest figures google the phrase "countries by weapons exports" that should give you a few sources. You will see that today Norway is not 7th, I believe it is 20th in weapon exports. Also there is such a thing as a reputation in shipbuilding in which the Glasgow shipyards have the best, You do make some quite good points.
@mrgeorgeallison Yeah wel the sources i take it from use wepon exporter, i yust repete it. So i guess they take arms and ammunition under the word weapons(ammunition/bombs/missils etc).
But yes wuld do more senc if it stood Arms and Ammunitions i guess.
@Nortrix87 Amunnition isn't a weapon as weapon relates to a system. You have seen the recent figures that put Norway at 20 then I assume, they are the UN and SIPRI, even the Norwegian government say 20th. I am curious though, why does Norway have such a weak navy?
@mrgeorgeallison Yeah i know, it is the same in Norwegian, Våpen=weapon but as these news-paper boys write wepon export then i did to, figuring they knew more english than me haha.
@mrgeorgeallison Norway does not have a weak navy, we have a small navy. Thats a difference there.
4.5 million people were yust 1.64% of the gdp goes to the millitery.
Result of recent socialist politcs were there has not been needed a strong millitery.
There is far more cost guard ships than navy ships as thats what realy are needed considering Norway have a sea area 7 bigger than Norway, third largest shipping fleet in the world and one of the biggest fishing industries.
Yeah wel we build small and powerfull, cheep and underestimated=)
For example one Nato exercise up here in northern Norway were US brought over one of theyre air carriers, after the exercise they talked about how they easely bombed norwegian targets with planes from theyre carrier. Then one Norwegian uboat captain asked: "wich carrier?" and showed a picture were one small ula class submarine had the carrier in torpedo range.
It was to small and made no noice so the americans did not see it xD
@Nortrix87 Haha I heard about that but in real life the carrier would not be in range of the Ula class and would be more heavily defended. There is an exercise going on just now called Cold Response. The British assault carrier HMS Ocean and other marine assault ships won against a Norwegian defending force. The Ula class are a bit old now, especially compared to British submarines. The Nansen class are new but not very powerful compared to British or American ships.
@mrgeorgeallison Cold respons is were i live every year. Have bin fighting there myself as a conscript. They usaly use the norwegian homeguard as oponents fro foreigners as exercise.
Search "US Marines Fight Norwegian White Death Ski Troops"
The white death troops as they call them are actualy yust Norwegian civilianz who have training once a year haha.
Nato troops comes here to learn winter warfere, evade frost bites and all what costal winter brings in the artic.
@mrgeorgeallison Wel the americans have still not managed to find the ula submarine and have no chance at all taking the swedish gotland class submarine wich is the last of this small litle devils.
The gotland class have bin in usa many times were americans try everything to detect them, they have not succeded yet.
So if we like we can yust run over there sink theyre carrier and they wuld not eaven know it was us xD
@Nortrix87 The Swedes loaned the US navy a Gotland class sub for a year and the US navy now knows how to deal with it. Besides, the stealthiest submarine in the world is the Astute class sub. It is also nuclear which means it can outperform the Swedish and Norwegian subs.
@mrgeorgeallison This is not about stealth, the nuclear subs can be detected by noice and acording to facts about this litle ones it is the disel angines with the option of driving on electrecy who makes them so sielnt.
@Nortrix87 Noise reduction is part of stealth. The stealthiest and therefore quietest submarine in the world is the Astute class. The US navy managed due to studying it for 2 years and working out measures to pick up noise patterns.
@mrgeorgeallison Yeah wel that we nerly don`t use any money on the millitery in Scandinavia and still can make a punch to a super power with alitle submarine is abit funny=P
We shuld dig up the viking boats and begin attacking the world again, Victory or Valhalla haha xD
@mrgeorgeallison wel it did, it stopped the negines and lied on the botton waitin, then when the carrier passed over they rushed to the surface and took a nice photo haha=P Predict the course of the carrier and it can be done.
@Nortrix87 I mean it couldn;t work anymore due to their new techniques haha and the NSM would be stopped by CAMM, or any other western CIWS equipment.
@mrgeorgeallison The only fift generation anti-ship missil out there(Nsm) is designed to be unstoppable by present anti-missils, so until they test it we wil never know for shure.
The airframe design and the high thrust to weight ratio gives the NSM extremely good maneuverability. The missile is completely passive, has proven its excellent sea skimming capabilities and with its advance terminal maneuvers it will survive the enemy air defences. The Autonomous Target Recognition (ATR) of the seeker ensures that the correct target is detected, recognised and hit, at sea or on land.
There is no air defence systems on frigates today capable to shoot it down as what they say.
As such, technological innovation and professionalism have been seen as the Norwegian shipbuilding industry’s main competitive advantage, and the main reason why it has been so adaptable and willing to readjust production in the face of increasing international competition.
Qualty over cheep quantety has bin the Norwegian way of getting contracts later years.
@Nortrix87 So? My point has nothing to do with how many ship builders there are in Norway. I am simply stating the fact that they aren't regarded as the best quality. That award repeatedly goes to the Scottish shipbuilders, especially in and around Glasgow. If Norwegian ship builders were the best they would have the most awards. You didn't understand my point... Norway builds ships but they are not the best quality... to say otherwise is ignorant and nationalist.
@Nortrix87 What you said doesn't indicate the best quality, it simply indicates Norway is good at ship building. I think you have misunderstood the English behind it. Also... I don't have any information other than that they have won countless awards for skills and let's not forget most of the worlds legendary ships were constructed over there in Scotland. This isn't a debate I'm just correcting what you said. Before you say things on quality look up ship building awards.
@Nortrix87 Jim McHarg, head of Employee Development at BVT Surface Fleet (Part of the worlds biggest arms company BAE), said: "Clyde built has the reputation for being the best in the world." I think that settles it don't you?
@Nortrix87 Yet another industry official claims "Scotland has the world's best shipbuilding expertise and Labour cannot be allowed to sell it down the river." Also if you have never heard of Scottish shipbuilding then you know next to nothing about the history of shipbuilding as Glasgow contained some of the most productive, largest and most famous yards in history. They constructed countless numbers of very famous ships.
@mrgeorgeallison Yeah wel there is no such thing as the world best shipbuilders in the world so offcorse my claim shuld have bin one of the best. And i regret my stupid earlier claim. Norwegian shipbuilding is not large in Norway and as i said it is small production with high qualety and for the most part towards spesific operations like Offshore.
We have long history when it comes to shipbuilding in Norway to, but it has become to expensive with norwegian workers to compete quantety.
The Norwegian shipbuilding industry is marked by relatively high wage rates and costly production, which many commentators have regarded as an impediment to growth and to the industry’s international competitiveness. On the other hand, there is a close relationship between Norwegian maritime research and development institutions, ship-owners and shipbuilding companies, in a deliberate attempt to be at the forefront with regard to new developments and innovation.
The AEGIS sistem was developed for "destroyers".The spanish navy wanted to have it in frigates, and Navantia did it for them. Norway could have developed treir own frigate to integrate AEGIS,but it would have taken its engeneers years of work.They knew Spain had already done that work, and therefore their frigates would be ready up to 6 years earlier if built in Spain, based on the spanish frigates.The same did Australia. Their frigates are also based on the spanish ones.
The steel is of great quality.But the ships sail in salt water and need mainteinance. :-)) You are a great norwegian patriot, but don't know nothing about ships, dude.
There is nothing better right now when it comes to antiaircraft defense than the AEGIS sistem. AEGIS opperates in ALL USA destroyers, and is capable of shootting down tens of different aircrafts at the same time. Thats the sistem integrated in the 5 new norwegian frigates, and its USA tecnology. ;-)
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norways navy is shit one british navy aircraft carrier can wipe out the entire norwegan navy in a blink of an eye the only good think norway is good at is losing wars engalnd and america have to save therre asses everytime a little boy walks into there country i could walk into norway and take over there countrie and they smell bad and are geeks and faggorts i know ive met one and the sas which is britsh will take out there entire milatery
@Nortrix87 haha lær deg litt scandinavisk historie dette med vitser om hverandre stammer fra danmark og norge, Norge tok det med seg når vi var i union og sverie tok det av oss..
@hardnut451 I like the fact that this comes from a brit who talks worse english than a retarded monkey. I guess we just have to feel bad for you since you have to post negative comments to feel better about yourself. The only people who have an urge to do so are bully-victims. Good Luck with the bullies dude!
Have you heard about the AEGIS missile sistem that operates in the 5 norwegian frigates? I'ts an antiaircraft sistem made by Lockheed Martin in the USA and integrated in the spanish, norwegian and the new 4 australian frigates that are now being built in Spain. Two LHDs are also being built in Spain for Australia. They are exactly the same as the new spanish LHD that will be finished by 2011. By the way: you can see the AEGIS missile sistem firing a missile in this video. ;-)
the nsm is excellent for corvettes, coastel defence fighters, choppers. but you should also give it a radar seeker in addition - its better to have a dual seeker.
alongside with the rbs15mk4 its excellent (the rbs15mk4 is longer range and heavier and more power, better against bigger ships, cant be launched from helicopter)
Spain have the oldest navy of the world, the first navy to shot a cannon on a ship, the first marines, also discover america and circunavigate the world. Spain have a lot of time in navigation business man. And now, Navantia are one of the best shipbuilders, F100 frigates are the best ships of his class in the world.
This is about today however and what i said is true, the ships is starting to rust,
Norway has by tradition bin the best shipbuilders in Europe with the biggest shipbuilding company for a long time, However we are also the most expensive ones. To build a ship in Norway is of much higher cost. Have nothing against the design yust the qualety of the steel and workers.
Nortrix87: You think you know better than the norwegian navy??? The ships were built in Spain with the highest quallity and at the best price. And Norway bought 4 of them. If they had been built in Norway, you would have now only one. The norwegian frigates are based on spanish frigates, capable of carrying the most modern american missiles sistem. To "integrate" that sistem in the frigates, would have taken the norwegian industry thousends of working hours.
@Nortrix87 Norway has the best shipbuilders in the world? Then why have the ship builders over in Scotland won more awards? (they've had more experience also)
@mrgeorgeallison STX Europe AS, formerly Aker Yards ASA, owned by the South Korean industrial chaebol STX Corporation, is the largest shipbuilding group in Europe and the fourth largest in the world. With headquarters in Oslo, Norway. But there is over 30 different shipbuilders along the Norwegian coust.
@Nortrix87 I don't understand how the NSM missile is more advanced than the Harpoon Block II+... the Harpoon has much better specifications. Is this another nationalist Norwegian claim?
@mrgeorgeallison NSM is the only fifth generation long range precision strike missile in existence as per today. Already chosen by the Royal Norwegian Navy for its new frigates and new coastal corvettes, the NSM will be fully operational on these ships when they enter service in the near future.
So no nationalist claim. You shuld search it up on kongsberg defence systems.
Norway is the 7 biggest weapon exporter in the world and have huge contracts aspechely with remote wepon stations to USA.
@Nortrix87 Thanks for the info on the missile but you are wrong on Norway being 7th. According to SIPRI and the UN, Norway is actually not in the top 15 "World's largest arms exporters" according to recent figures. Norway may export a large amount of ammunition but not weapons.
@mrgeorgeallison "According to the UN Statistical division, Norway was the world's sixth biggest exporter of weapons in 2003. Only the USA, Canada, the UK, Italy and France are ranked above Norway, according to data published in COMTRADE, the UN database for external trade" was what i found right now, but it is old. Shal make a search more, think it was 2008 last time i searched for this.
but they bought 5 choppers.. and hevy technologi for the frigates, i an't kidding.. thats messed upp i know.. but i'm not mistaking. and those frigates is one of the best frigates in the world..and alot of heavy technologi
the Royal norwegian navy is buying 5 frigates of this class. and 5 NH-90 choppers.total sum 12billion$. the largest navy investment in the norwegian history.:P
12mlrd - what for? :-0 May be you are mistaking? Frigate cost should be not more 500mln, maximum 600. But 1,2 for single ship... O, mein Got! "Borej" type ICBM sub costs less even with full load of missiles! I smell corruption, because even "Borej" could cost less of its cost.
@Nitrorus Mate,,i havent red the post your commenting but the frigates cost in total with helli's about 20 billion norwegian kroners,,about 3 billion USD :D
the total cost for 5 frigates including NH90 and NSM is 22,000,000,000NOK (4,000,000,000$ or 2,440,000,000£)
Pretty cheap compared to other frigates/destroyers with same/similar configuration. Will probably be upgraded with double Vertical Launch Systems (like the 5th of the class Thor Heyerdal)
Could you give me that link? Anyway 800mln is not so cheap just for frigate. It is the cost of destroyer. For example - cost of the same generation russian frigate is 400mln.
A very good ship-class. Unfortunate that it was not made in Norway though. Would have spared us to fix all the rust. Spanish shipyards arent as good as the Norwegian ones that's for damned sure! Christ, Norway is one of the worlds whealtiest countries. Whe should have spent some extra money and built them here in our own country!
Im glad the new danish frigates are beeing built in denmark. No foreign shipbuilders will piss on our ship. But i think Fridtjof nansen cl. is very beautiful. What's the topspeed ?
@UltimaSRi Well, 26 KTS is only for the Absalon cl. ships. They are not the ones Fridtjof nansen cl should be compared to. Im talking about the new danish frigates of the Iver Huitfeldt class. They have a top speed around 31 knots i think. And awesome fire power. I dont think your frigates can match them.
There ships have the AEGIS system fitted, and are designed to function with a US Battlegroup / NATO Battlegroup and protection / close defence systems. They have undergone extensive training with the US Fleet.
They were built in Spain by Izar and Navantia. Norwegian shipsyards "lost" the bidding as they could not produce them as cheap as the Spanish ones (who later has been accused of having been subsidiced by the spanish Government).
They where heavily subsidized by taking up loans from the government that they didn't have to pay back. Also the build time seem to have an impact. We had pretty large buy back contracts in Norwegian industry as a result. Without those, these ships would have never been built in Spain. In the end though, we got 5 ships for the price of 4 Norwegian built ones. More or less.
ha "funny "comment,almost you make me laugh....In Spain we built good ships,even carriers for other countries i dont know if you can say the same of your misty country.
Well, i'm no expert in ship construction, and i'm well aware of that spain builds a lot of carriers for, example Sweden, as i've worked at several. and for one specific, M/S Skåne, that was picked up in spain newly constructed by my father. It was in a real shit condition, builders had urinated everywhere, the welding was poor and it was already rusting heavily, even before it was in traffic. And it was well known that it generally looked like that. Not saying all shipbuilders in spain are bad.
I agree. Nice ships.. but rust is a problem. That is just the truth... funny when people like Salgadin charge in and spam a comment like this.. It is a fact, look it up... and while you are at it, look at the rest of the ships built by spanish shipsyards.
F-314 Thor Heyerdahl and F- 310 Fridtjof Nansen were designed and built in El Ferrol by spanish companies Navantia and Izar.F300 series were thought for norwegian army needs,based in spanish F100 series but with less capabilities than spanish F100
Suppose the commonly developed frigate type by Germany, Holland and Spain is a more specifically Spanish design? In that case I have to make my excuses for not being informed enough.
Norway bought a beautiful ship, but who made or designed it I am not interested in.
Studies of the NF 90 fregate were later on used to delop the frigate type of Germany, Holland and Spain. A further development is the F300. So in line, origin, it`s better to call it a Nato design which has been further developed. I don`t know about Norway`s part in development. Sorry about that but it was mentioned in maritime studies (Jane`s def) about development frigates.
that ship look like a German ship i think
30sectodeath 2 weeks ago
Sick ship
Greetings from Latvia
pickainis1 1 month ago
norway now got 100 000 km Coastal line:D because of the fjords and islands. We only got coastXD That line is bigger than australias. But norway is smaller, but fucked up with fjords
texlyon 1 month ago
this video makes me a proud Norwegian, hope just not the super-social part of the government that nobody actually votes on, but is still in government, does not destroy completely the military power as one would need when the battle for Artic come.
Entity005 3 months ago
i only cAN say WOW !!
NICE SHIP : p
greetings friends from Norway : D
CapitanFiro 3 months ago
the ultimate modern frigates with AEGIS defense system, built in spanish shypiards of Navantia -El Ferrol for the Royal Norwegian Navy.
telkines 4 months ago
viking power fuck den verden !!!
antonkaiable 5 months ago
You should all search for the Norwegian SKJOLD class MTB-s. They are the worlds fastest warships. Goes in excess of 60 knots. Both the frigates and the MTB's will / are equipped with the NSM missile. A fighter version of the missile ( JSF ) is now developed to go with the upcomming F35 fighters of the Royal Norwegian Airforce. In aditittion we have the NASAMS rocket system. The Norwegian launcher that is currently defending the Whitehouse & congress in the US and has been for the last 10 yers
Cta2006 11 months ago
I remember seeing the spansih version of this docked in my town when i was little, they're awesome.
ComoNor 11 months ago
An impressive warship! welldone Spain....... i mean Norway hahaha! Regardless of where there built there still an impressive piece of kit, thumbs up for actually building them!
TheCharlie359 1 year ago
A fucking badass looking ship with real good performance data. I hope our new F125 "Baden-Württemberg" class frigates also get such a good ship. No matter, i love the Fridtjof Nansen class :-)
Greetings from Germany
couteau86 1 year ago 2
@couteau86 Cheers bruder
Joke332 1 year ago
Norway step back from NATO! And lets frowm Nordic alliance!
Those other countries dont be like us! Nor, Swe, Iceland, Den and Fin.
Economical and military alliance for our needs!
And i wish we got one of those frigates aswell.
lintu25 1 year ago 2
just out of curiosity, is Norway's navy more powerful than sweden's navy ?
since norway has much more American made equipment, and some things with American equipment inside it, like this here aegis frigate, whereas swedish have mostly german and swedish stuff.
AucklandMate24 1 year ago
@AucklandMate24
its rather equeal , noway, and swedens navy..norway still got frigates..than some patroll / missile boats, sweden 11 corvettes ( 5 of those are the visby stealth corvett) than a lot of smaller ships, patrol, a few MTB, and mine vessels which more or less just can hunt submarine, and put out mines..so dont count em =)..
than sweden got pretty good submarine ..spec gotland class, there is an link about it " beware US"
00wille19 1 year ago
@00wille19: Well, it is to completly different navys. Norwegian and danish navy has frigs due to island they have to protect, such as svalbard and greenland. The swedes only have to protect their coastline, so the navies are different. If Dk and No, didnt have islenad to cover, we would have used corvettes too.The swedish navy is good, but i think their army are much stronger.
Tordenguden 10 months ago
@AucklandMate24 The sweds outnumber us 3 to 1.
Raekken1 11 months ago
@Raekken1 How? Do you mean unmobilized military? While the Norwegian special forces are much better at what they do, we have HV, so mobilized I don't think we'd be far behind the Swedes, at least not 3 to 1 like you said. 1.5 to 1 would be more correct if so. Not that it matter, because they are our brothers in arms (unless you fail us one more time like in WWII, Sweden) lol :)
SebSk 7 months ago
@AucklandMate24 "America equipment" dosent mean the best :) Sweden has some equipment that are far beyond what the americans have, and vise versa. If you think america has the best equipment you eather have seen to much hollywood movies or ure an ignorant patriot. With that said, i do think the norwegian navy are more powerfull, why? Because we spend more on our navy, and much more depends on it. On the other hand i do think the swedish army is stronger then the norwegian one.
Tordenguden 10 months ago
AND it's 5x of the frigates <3
Norwegian274 1 year ago
GO NORWAY! Gratz from Iceland.
TheIcelandicPatriot 1 year ago
I love the new norwegian frigates, sweden should also obtain Frigates.
danneeh95 1 year ago
@danneeh95 Sweden dont need frigates, norway and denmark do. We have to protect iselands such as svalbard and greenland. If that wasent the case we would have corvettes like Sweden. Sweden are much more dependent on their army then thir navy.
Tordenguden 10 months ago
@Tordenguden Wow that is just plain wrong. While I'm Norwegian myself, I won't stand idly by when such bullcrap is launched. If there's a war, we wouldn't care sh*t about Svalbard and Greenland LOL! THose are WEATHERSTATIONS!! Omg.. we need our Navy to protect the OSLOFJORD, to protect NARVIK (both for vital naval shipping, vital for other countries as well), and then Bergen, Kristiansand, Ålesund etc.
And LOL! Sweden of COURSE need their navy, one word: ÖRESUND (and Kattegat) !
SebSk 7 months ago
@SebSk 1.Thats not the point. To protect our costal line we have Skjold class and subs, costal defense etc. The frigates are for surveillance and open sea operations. If DK and NO didnt have to cover such large ereas, we eould do fine with corvettes and subs. Thats a fact, read more into our navies. 2. Never said Sweden didnt need a navy, but unlike DK and NO they do not need ships for open sea operations, but they do need a navy for costal protection and guarding swedish waters.
Tordenguden 5 months ago
@Tordenguden Oh I am sorry I misinterpret what you said. I interpret it as "ships at all" not "frigates". I stand corrected. Dangit..
SebSk 2 months ago
- you do not need frigates for that. 3. Dont tell me about nordic history, as this is what im studying at the uni. To use the sea battles of Öresund and Kattegat as examples are just idiotic, that a completly different time and situation. First, Sweden had interests in the baltics, they were an agressive country with hughe ambissions. And to lunch troops into the mainland the needed a fleet to protect the troop movments. For protecting the motherland, sweden has always been more depended on a -
Tordenguden 5 months ago
@Tordenguden Your second part of reply; 3; I didn't refer to any specific sea battles. Those examples aren't idiotic, though. But the Finns would i.e. have had a much easier time during WWII (thinking especially of Viipuri) if the allies could've blocked Kattegat, though this is wishful thinking. Those straits are critical for Scandinavia in imagination of a full scale war, which I imagined when I wrote this. As of piracy, there's not much in neither of our waters.. so I guess it's a valid point
SebSk 2 months ago
@Tordenguden And I don't "tell you about Nordic history" although I claim to know a lot, it was merely a strategic point of view. On a side note, large parts of Norway's coastal defense are elite mobile SAM units, very effective against large warships too large for our ships to handle.
SebSk 2 months ago
- strong army. While Denmark was in a completly different situation, much more depended on the navy, witch they as Norway is, still are.
Tordenguden 5 months ago
@Tordenguden go look at a map of the baltic sea. russia is there you fucking idiot.
ddioppp 5 months ago
@ddioppp What is your point? Have i ever said something different? Nope. And if you want to be taken seriously you might want to talk less childish.
Tordenguden 5 months ago
who the hell blows up a ship at 13:17 in the morning??
Rizorn 1 year ago
watch my works at:
papermodelers dot kom, keyword Thor Heyerdahl
AgzaimBarTholomei 1 year ago
A good and formidable scandinavian battleship , built in spanish shypiards.
telkines 1 year ago
It's so funny reading what clueless people says. But yeah, our navy aren't the strongest, our government gives most of their money on our special forces and really suck on recruiting people to the navy by putting 98% of the people who wants to serve in the navy are getting security service on our naval bases. I'm proud of our military and navy, but sadly our special forces are our prime ministers little penis enlarger.
Thonorr 1 year ago
The millitery exports from Norway is all from Softwere, weapons, ammunitions, clothing etc.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
The value of Norwegian weapons export increased in 2008 by all of 44.5%. For the first time the figures for foreign trade show that the export amounts to more than 3 billion kroners (354.000 euros). That is 954 million kroners more than in 2007. The weapons export to the USA alone has increased by no less than 85.6% and is now 1.7 billion kroners (199.000 euros).
So it does not seem it has decresed the later years.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
Norway was the seventh largest exporter of arms and ammunitions (SITC Rev. 3. group 891) in 2006, newest one yet. still searching.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Arms AND AMMUNITIONS. It's very important to make that distinction. You just said weapons originally. If you want a link to the newest figures google the phrase "countries by weapons exports" that should give you a few sources. You will see that today Norway is not 7th, I believe it is 20th in weapon exports. Also there is such a thing as a reputation in shipbuilding in which the Glasgow shipyards have the best, You do make some quite good points.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison Yeah wel the sources i take it from use wepon exporter, i yust repete it. So i guess they take arms and ammunition under the word weapons(ammunition/bombs/missils etc).
But yes wuld do more senc if it stood Arms and Ammunitions i guess.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Amunnition isn't a weapon as weapon relates to a system. You have seen the recent figures that put Norway at 20 then I assume, they are the UN and SIPRI, even the Norwegian government say 20th. I am curious though, why does Norway have such a weak navy?
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison Yeah i know, it is the same in Norwegian, Våpen=weapon but as these news-paper boys write wepon export then i did to, figuring they knew more english than me haha.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison Norway does not have a weak navy, we have a small navy. Thats a difference there.
4.5 million people were yust 1.64% of the gdp goes to the millitery.
Result of recent socialist politcs were there has not been needed a strong millitery.
There is far more cost guard ships than navy ships as thats what realy are needed considering Norway have a sea area 7 bigger than Norway, third largest shipping fleet in the world and one of the biggest fishing industries.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 I understand what you mean. It would be nice to see Norway having some powerful ships though.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
Yeah wel we build small and powerfull, cheep and underestimated=)
For example one Nato exercise up here in northern Norway were US brought over one of theyre air carriers, after the exercise they talked about how they easely bombed norwegian targets with planes from theyre carrier. Then one Norwegian uboat captain asked: "wich carrier?" and showed a picture were one small ula class submarine had the carrier in torpedo range.
It was to small and made no noice so the americans did not see it xD
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Haha I heard about that but in real life the carrier would not be in range of the Ula class and would be more heavily defended. There is an exercise going on just now called Cold Response. The British assault carrier HMS Ocean and other marine assault ships won against a Norwegian defending force. The Ula class are a bit old now, especially compared to British submarines. The Nansen class are new but not very powerful compared to British or American ships.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison Cold respons is were i live every year. Have bin fighting there myself as a conscript. They usaly use the norwegian homeguard as oponents fro foreigners as exercise.
Search "US Marines Fight Norwegian White Death Ski Troops"
The white death troops as they call them are actualy yust Norwegian civilianz who have training once a year haha.
Nato troops comes here to learn winter warfere, evade frost bites and all what costal winter brings in the artic.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 I'm sure the Norwegian Navy wand Dutch navy was involved too.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison Wel the americans have still not managed to find the ula submarine and have no chance at all taking the swedish gotland class submarine wich is the last of this small litle devils.
The gotland class have bin in usa many times were americans try everything to detect them, they have not succeded yet.
So if we like we can yust run over there sink theyre carrier and they wuld not eaven know it was us xD
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 The Swedes loaned the US navy a Gotland class sub for a year and the US navy now knows how to deal with it. Besides, the stealthiest submarine in the world is the Astute class sub. It is also nuclear which means it can outperform the Swedish and Norwegian subs.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison This is not about stealth, the nuclear subs can be detected by noice and acording to facts about this litle ones it is the disel angines with the option of driving on electrecy who makes them so sielnt.
So how did they manage to detect it?
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Noise reduction is part of stealth. The stealthiest and therefore quietest submarine in the world is the Astute class. The US navy managed due to studying it for 2 years and working out measures to pick up noise patterns.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison Yeah wel that we nerly don`t use any money on the millitery in Scandinavia and still can make a punch to a super power with alitle submarine is abit funny=P
We shuld dig up the viking boats and begin attacking the world again, Victory or Valhalla haha xD
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Haha maybe. The Ula class couldn't beat a US carrier group though.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison wel it did, it stopped the negines and lied on the botton waitin, then when the carrier passed over they rushed to the surface and took a nice photo haha=P Predict the course of the carrier and it can be done.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 I mean it couldn;t work anymore due to their new techniques haha and the NSM would be stopped by CAMM, or any other western CIWS equipment.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison The only fift generation anti-ship missil out there(Nsm) is designed to be unstoppable by present anti-missils, so until they test it we wil never know for shure.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
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AliceinCalifornia 1 year ago
@AliceinCalifornia Alice, the Nansen class are AEGIS frigates cut down to a budget design.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@AliceinCalifornia There's nothing unique about these frigates at all.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
The airframe design and the high thrust to weight ratio gives the NSM extremely good maneuverability. The missile is completely passive, has proven its excellent sea skimming capabilities and with its advance terminal maneuvers it will survive the enemy air defences. The Autonomous Target Recognition (ATR) of the seeker ensures that the correct target is detected, recognised and hit, at sea or on land.
There is no air defence systems on frigates today capable to shoot it down as what they say.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Have you got any links that claim it can't be shot down?
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 According to 2009 figures, even Sweden is a larger exporter than Norway of weapons. For the record... China is 7th.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
A good example on Norwegian shipbuilding you can search Ulstein group( X-BOW).
Nortrix87 1 year ago
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As such, technological innovation and professionalism have been seen as the Norwegian shipbuilding industry’s main competitive advantage, and the main reason why it has been so adaptable and willing to readjust production in the face of increasing international competition.
Qualty over cheep quantety has bin the Norwegian way of getting contracts later years.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 So? My point has nothing to do with how many ship builders there are in Norway. I am simply stating the fact that they aren't regarded as the best quality. That award repeatedly goes to the Scottish shipbuilders, especially in and around Glasgow. If Norwegian ship builders were the best they would have the most awards. You didn't understand my point... Norway builds ships but they are not the best quality... to say otherwise is ignorant and nationalist.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison You better take one more look at what i wrote down:
"As such, technological innovation and professionalism have been seen as the Norwegian shipbuilding industry’s main competitive advantage"
Come with some informetion then. Never heard much of scottish shipbuilding.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
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mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 What you said doesn't indicate the best quality, it simply indicates Norway is good at ship building. I think you have misunderstood the English behind it. Also... I don't have any information other than that they have won countless awards for skills and let's not forget most of the worlds legendary ships were constructed over there in Scotland. This isn't a debate I'm just correcting what you said. Before you say things on quality look up ship building awards.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Jim McHarg, head of Employee Development at BVT Surface Fleet (Part of the worlds biggest arms company BAE), said: "Clyde built has the reputation for being the best in the world." I think that settles it don't you?
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Yet another industry official claims "Scotland has the world's best shipbuilding expertise and Labour cannot be allowed to sell it down the river." Also if you have never heard of Scottish shipbuilding then you know next to nothing about the history of shipbuilding as Glasgow contained some of the most productive, largest and most famous yards in history. They constructed countless numbers of very famous ships.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison Yeah wel there is no such thing as the world best shipbuilders in the world so offcorse my claim shuld have bin one of the best. And i regret my stupid earlier claim. Norwegian shipbuilding is not large in Norway and as i said it is small production with high qualety and for the most part towards spesific operations like Offshore.
We have long history when it comes to shipbuilding in Norway to, but it has become to expensive with norwegian workers to compete quantety.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
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The Norwegian shipbuilding industry is marked by relatively high wage rates and costly production, which many commentators have regarded as an impediment to growth and to the industry’s international competitiveness. On the other hand, there is a close relationship between Norwegian maritime research and development institutions, ship-owners and shipbuilding companies, in a deliberate attempt to be at the forefront with regard to new developments and innovation.
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Nortrix87 1 year ago
håpa at eg får kjem inn i sjøforsvaret ass :D
vikse2 1 year ago
@vikse2 Man kommer somregel inn der man vil. ;-)
Ail183 1 year ago
One question please. Is the norwegian navy happy with these frigates?.
klauss31 1 year ago
@klauss31 Very, we have tested them well both on exercises and operations.
Ail183 1 year ago
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bergenhobby 1 year ago
made in Spain the best of the best
quiquieltoro 1 year ago
Beau navire.
Waldganger64 1 year ago
Viva la marian noruega. Vuestro País tiene lo que no tiene nadie en buques de guerra.... los mejores de EUROPA.
pecepetube 1 year ago
The AEGIS sistem was developed for "destroyers".The spanish navy wanted to have it in frigates, and Navantia did it for them. Norway could have developed treir own frigate to integrate AEGIS,but it would have taken its engeneers years of work.They knew Spain had already done that work, and therefore their frigates would be ready up to 6 years earlier if built in Spain, based on the spanish frigates.The same did Australia. Their frigates are also based on the spanish ones.
pepe237 1 year ago 12
The steel is of great quality.But the ships sail in salt water and need mainteinance. :-)) You are a great norwegian patriot, but don't know nothing about ships, dude.
pepe237 1 year ago
There is nothing better right now when it comes to antiaircraft defense than the AEGIS sistem. AEGIS opperates in ALL USA destroyers, and is capable of shootting down tens of different aircrafts at the same time. Thats the sistem integrated in the 5 new norwegian frigates, and its USA tecnology. ;-)
pepe237 1 year ago
Did not say the weapon stations on the frigates were purly Norwegian but most are.
The navy strike missil however wil be sold to nato countris from now on, and the joint strike fighter wil be built to be able to carry them.
But this discussion was about the steel qualety, what happend? have no need to discuss weapons as they are of good qualety.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
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norways navy is shit one british navy aircraft carrier can wipe out the entire norwegan navy in a blink of an eye the only good think norway is good at is losing wars engalnd and america have to save therre asses everytime a little boy walks into there country i could walk into norway and take over there countrie and they smell bad and are geeks and faggorts i know ive met one and the sas which is britsh will take out there entire milatery
hardnut451 1 year ago
Blablabla, grow up!
Nortrix87 1 year ago
You shuld read up about the cold response nato exercise in Norway were USA lost theyre air carrier to our tiny ula submarine class.
Herll yust give us a gun and we sink youre carrier xD
Nortrix87 1 year ago
- Hur sänker man en norsk ubåt ?
- Vet ej !
- Man simmar ner och knackar på !
- Hur sänker man den en gång till?
- Vet ej !
- Man simmar ner och knackar på. Norrmännen öppnar och säger:
- Den här gången går vi inte på det!
joonte1010 1 year ago
Hahaha slutt og gjør om Svesnkevitser til norske =P
Husk kronan och vasa=P
Nortrix87 1 year ago 4
Så var det norrmannen som skrek på KarlJohan:
"Den norska rikstagen är en bunt idioter."
Han fick tio års fängelse för att ha avslöjat Norges statshemlighet.
joonte1010 1 year ago
hahaha vel kunne vert sant, sosialist politikerne vi har nå er helt blost!
Nortrix87 1 year ago
hahaha XD Dom Svenska politikerna är inte mycket bättre.
joonte1010 1 year ago
hahaha nei en vits er ikke arti om den er sann xD
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 haha lær deg litt scandinavisk historie dette med vitser om hverandre stammer fra danmark og norge, Norge tok det med seg når vi var i union og sverie tok det av oss..
danielsen45 9 months ago
@Nortrix87 u mener norske om til svenskeO.o
thejacobs128 3 months ago
@thejacobs128 Hva, hvor ,når? Kan ikke huske sist jeg skrev her inne.
Nortrix87 3 months ago
@thejacobs128 Ser nå, Vel Svenskevitser om til Norskevitser blir vel riktig det i den sammenheng jeg skrev=)
Nortrix87 3 months ago
@hardnut451 I like the fact that this comes from a brit who talks worse english than a retarded monkey. I guess we just have to feel bad for you since you have to post negative comments to feel better about yourself. The only people who have an urge to do so are bully-victims. Good Luck with the bullies dude!
DonxxSollozzo 1 year ago
Wel looks like i write a bit to fast, pushing on the wrong buttons here and there xD
Nortrix87 1 year ago
Have you heard about the AEGIS missile sistem that operates in the 5 norwegian frigates? I'ts an antiaircraft sistem made by Lockheed Martin in the USA and integrated in the spanish, norwegian and the new 4 australian frigates that are now being built in Spain. Two LHDs are also being built in Spain for Australia. They are exactly the same as the new spanish LHD that will be finished by 2011. By the way: you can see the AEGIS missile sistem firing a missile in this video. ;-)
pepe237 1 year ago
Flot skib! Elsker Norge!
oslosecurity 1 year ago
the nsm is excellent for corvettes, coastel defence fighters, choppers. but you should also give it a radar seeker in addition - its better to have a dual seeker.
alongside with the rbs15mk4 its excellent (the rbs15mk4 is longer range and heavier and more power, better against bigger ships, cant be launched from helicopter)
95predator 2 years ago
Bra skip, men hadde f.eks Russland angrepet Norge hadde vi ikke holdt ut en dag en gang..bare søk Pyotr Velikiy=P
kogbproject1 2 years ago
Greeks, carthagians,romans, vikings had navies long before spane. First gunship however can be true.
Nortrix87 2 years ago
So stupid to build them in spane yust to get a lower cost. They are alreddy starting to get rust becus of the bad qualty.
Typical naive fucked up Norwegian socialist policians.
Nortrix87 2 years ago
Spain have the oldest navy of the world, the first navy to shot a cannon on a ship, the first marines, also discover america and circunavigate the world. Spain have a lot of time in navigation business man. And now, Navantia are one of the best shipbuilders, F100 frigates are the best ships of his class in the world.
SrNutritivo 2 years ago 3
You don`t have the oldest navy in the world.
This is about today however and what i said is true, the ships is starting to rust,
Norway has by tradition bin the best shipbuilders in Europe with the biggest shipbuilding company for a long time, However we are also the most expensive ones. To build a ship in Norway is of much higher cost. Have nothing against the design yust the qualety of the steel and workers.
Nortrix87 2 years ago
@SrNutritivo But despite that the British have the best navy combat record.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
Nortrix87: You think you know better than the norwegian navy??? The ships were built in Spain with the highest quallity and at the best price. And Norway bought 4 of them. If they had been built in Norway, you would have now only one. The norwegian frigates are based on spanish frigates, capable of carrying the most modern american missiles sistem. To "integrate" that sistem in the frigates, would have taken the norwegian industry thousends of working hours.
pepe237 1 year ago
It was cheap that was the main reason. Norway has the best shipbuilders in the world and has a long history there, but today the most expensive ones.
But the main issue here is the poor qualety of the steel.
It was not only the norwegian navys decission but policians who pressured the money spending. A bad decission if you ask me.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Norway has the best shipbuilders in the world? Then why have the ship builders over in Scotland won more awards? (they've had more experience also)
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison STX Europe AS, formerly Aker Yards ASA, owned by the South Korean industrial chaebol STX Corporation, is the largest shipbuilding group in Europe and the fourth largest in the world. With headquarters in Oslo, Norway. But there is over 30 different shipbuilders along the Norwegian coust.
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It is no longer Norwegian owned.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
"capable of carrying the most modern american missiles sistem"
The wepojns systems are mostly Norwegian by Kongsberg aerospace.
Norway are in front when it comes to remote wepons station and currently has the most advanced antiship missil in the words. "Navy strike missil"
USA are the biggest custumer of the norwegian weapons/softwere produced.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 I don't understand how the NSM missile is more advanced than the Harpoon Block II+... the Harpoon has much better specifications. Is this another nationalist Norwegian claim?
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison NSM is the only fifth generation long range precision strike missile in existence as per today. Already chosen by the Royal Norwegian Navy for its new frigates and new coastal corvettes, the NSM will be fully operational on these ships when they enter service in the near future.
So no nationalist claim. You shuld search it up on kongsberg defence systems.
Norway is the 7 biggest weapon exporter in the world and have huge contracts aspechely with remote wepon stations to USA.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Thanks for the info on the missile but you are wrong on Norway being 7th. According to SIPRI and the UN, Norway is actually not in the top 15 "World's largest arms exporters" according to recent figures. Norway may export a large amount of ammunition but not weapons.
mrgeorgeallison 1 year ago
@mrgeorgeallison "According to the UN Statistical division, Norway was the world's sixth biggest exporter of weapons in 2003. Only the USA, Canada, the UK, Italy and France are ranked above Norway, according to data published in COMTRADE, the UN database for external trade" was what i found right now, but it is old. Shal make a search more, think it was 2008 last time i searched for this.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
for ei kraft! det må jeg si :D vi er foreløbig trygge vis det skulle bryte ut krig i Norge ivertfall :D
secondary40 2 years ago
Hello nice boat! Long live Scandinavia can u give me the music track please its important!!!! :)
85MrMan 2 years ago
It is by Frank Klepacki but i cannot remember the name, you can probably find it in youtube if you look under his name
mig3535 2 years ago
Wow great Ship. Designed in Stealth Tech or what ?
yarakkafaliasker 2 years ago
Stealth.
kyXst 2 years ago
killer whale nation !
danieleriver 2 years ago
but they bought 5 choppers.. and hevy technologi for the frigates, i an't kidding.. thats messed upp i know.. but i'm not mistaking. and those frigates is one of the best frigates in the world..and alot of heavy technologi
yngwie123fender 2 years ago
They're not one of the best, I'd say top 10 though. The price, systems, capabilities show a system designed to money reasons.
mrgeorgeallison 2 years ago
the Royal norwegian navy is buying 5 frigates of this class. and 5 NH-90 choppers.total sum 12billion$. the largest navy investment in the norwegian history.:P
yngwie123fender 2 years ago
12mlrd - what for? :-0 May be you are mistaking? Frigate cost should be not more 500mln, maximum 600. But 1,2 for single ship... O, mein Got! "Borej" type ICBM sub costs less even with full load of missiles! I smell corruption, because even "Borej" could cost less of its cost.
Nitrorus 2 years ago
@Nitrorus Mate,,i havent red the post your commenting but the frigates cost in total with helli's about 20 billion norwegian kroners,,about 3 billion USD :D
draugen87 2 years ago
3bil is acceptable, though still a bit expensive, 600mln per ship. That's why I'm asking prove links from people. Do you have one, please? :-)
Nitrorus 2 years ago
the total cost for 5 frigates including NH90 and NSM is 22,000,000,000NOK (4,000,000,000$ or 2,440,000,000£)
Pretty cheap compared to other frigates/destroyers with same/similar configuration. Will probably be upgraded with double Vertical Launch Systems (like the 5th of the class Thor Heyerdal)
UltimaSRi 2 years ago
Could you give me that link? Anyway 800mln is not so cheap just for frigate. It is the cost of destroyer. For example - cost of the same generation russian frigate is 400mln.
Nitrorus 2 years ago
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yngwie123fender 2 years ago
A very good ship-class. Unfortunate that it was not made in Norway though. Would have spared us to fix all the rust. Spanish shipyards arent as good as the Norwegian ones that's for damned sure! Christ, Norway is one of the worlds whealtiest countries. Whe should have spent some extra money and built them here in our own country!
Nickotak 2 years ago
cuz the norwegian design sucked!!!
The German one was far better (search for Sachsen class) best frigate there is!!
UltimaSRi 2 years ago
Im glad the new danish frigates are beeing built in denmark. No foreign shipbuilders will piss on our ship. But i think Fridtjof nansen cl. is very beautiful. What's the topspeed ?
jakobpind 2 years ago
26knots... awesome!! (or not)
UltimaSRi 2 years ago
@UltimaSRi Well, 26 KTS is only for the Absalon cl. ships. They are not the ones Fridtjof nansen cl should be compared to. Im talking about the new danish frigates of the Iver Huitfeldt class. They have a top speed around 31 knots i think. And awesome fire power. I dont think your frigates can match them.
jakobpind 2 years ago
Will see.. U guys got the 5" tho... alot better than the 76SR. But U dont have anything that match the NSM... Absalon is one helluva ship tho.
UltimaSRi 2 years ago
@UltimaSRi 5 inch US gun is ok. What is that NSM u are talking about ?
jakobpind 2 years ago
Naval Strike Missile. Far better than Exocet.
Extended range, image seeker, GPS programable +++ (+->dunno whats acceptable to tell due to regulations of secrets).
UltimaSRi 2 years ago
song ?
FateHasFanz 2 years ago
Norwegians probably have the most wicked-looking frigates in the world. Kudos guys!
maugustyniak 2 years ago 3
There ships have the AEGIS system fitted, and are designed to function with a US Battlegroup / NATO Battlegroup and protection / close defence systems. They have undergone extensive training with the US Fleet.
They were built in Spain by Izar and Navantia. Norwegian shipsyards "lost" the bidding as they could not produce them as cheap as the Spanish ones (who later has been accused of having been subsidiced by the spanish Government).
All in all goods ships. (abit rusty thats all..)
theosar 2 years ago 2
They where heavily subsidized by taking up loans from the government that they didn't have to pay back. Also the build time seem to have an impact. We had pretty large buy back contracts in Norwegian industry as a result. Without those, these ships would have never been built in Spain. In the end though, we got 5 ships for the price of 4 Norwegian built ones. More or less.
Muthsera80 1 year ago
I love the SPANISH SHIPS!!!
The best shipyards from always...
salgadin 2 years ago
lol, norweigan navy ships built in Spain? :P hahaha not strange they are all rusting apart.
mycide 2 years ago
ha "funny "comment,almost you make me laugh....In Spain we built good ships,even carriers for other countries i dont know if you can say the same of your misty country.
num1t0r 2 years ago
mycide,envy is the worst....
num1t0r 2 years ago 4
Well, i'm no expert in ship construction, and i'm well aware of that spain builds a lot of carriers for, example Sweden, as i've worked at several. and for one specific, M/S Skåne, that was picked up in spain newly constructed by my father. It was in a real shit condition, builders had urinated everywhere, the welding was poor and it was already rusting heavily, even before it was in traffic. And it was well known that it generally looked like that. Not saying all shipbuilders in spain are bad.
mycide 2 years ago
tu eres un flipao
emiliomgm 2 years ago
point is.. Izar/Bazan sacked all educated/experienced workers n hired side-walk-Sally to do all kinda jobs at the docks.
All the Norwegian frigates looked like old rusty russian fishing wrecks days before handed over to Norway. (got pictures)
UltimaSRi 2 years ago
I agree. Nice ships.. but rust is a problem. That is just the truth... funny when people like Salgadin charge in and spam a comment like this.. It is a fact, look it up... and while you are at it, look at the rest of the ships built by spanish shipsyards.
theosar 2 years ago
YEAH!! Norway rock..
ronnymp5 2 years ago
Nice ships, should not have been built in Spain however.. they already show signs of rusting...
theosar 2 years ago
oxidizes for the Norwegian "special" painting ......XDDD
Them Spanish f100 don't oxidize ... because it will be?
salgadin 2 years ago
Sexy stuff! =)
WTG bros!
Fishnflightbum 2 years ago
AND I DONT HATE US,
osvaldnorway 2 years ago
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osvaldnorway 2 years ago
isapippi, almost every country hate us now, Norway dont need so much fire power, we are not hated
osvaldnorway 2 years ago
My uncle created one of the Fridtjof Nansen sensors.
hevnervals 2 years ago
my father was leading the project testing
ninjatrooper 2 years ago
haha friedhof nansen class
friedhof=cemetary
95predator 2 years ago
its about time norway show some power:)
gallant5k 2 years ago
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the new us destoyer will ruin this crap boat by farting on it
isapippi 2 years ago
A boat can fartD:
If so awsome:DD
samlun777 2 years ago 2
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likeicareaaa 2 years ago
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Yes they can, and yes it was a pretty awesome fart as well!
likeicareaaa 2 years ago
F-314 Thor Heyerdahl and F- 310 Fridtjof Nansen were designed and built in El Ferrol by spanish companies Navantia and Izar.F300 series were thought for norwegian army needs,based in spanish F100 series but with less capabilities than spanish F100
num1t0r 2 years ago
well the Norwegian navy are going to by new Fighter planes, the new Joint Strike Fighter will be replaceing the F16
monkeydluggy17 2 years ago
heh, the norwegian navy isn't getting any figther planes, norwegian air force yes, but not the navy ;-)
carcharias2500 2 years ago 2
Suppose the commonly developed frigate type by Germany, Holland and Spain is a more specifically Spanish design? In that case I have to make my excuses for not being informed enough.
Norway bought a beautiful ship, but who made or designed it I am not interested in.
Ilona7maverick7 2 years ago
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Ilona7maverick7 2 years ago
Studies of the NF 90 fregate were later on used to delop the frigate type of Germany, Holland and Spain. A further development is the F300. So in line, origin, it`s better to call it a Nato design which has been further developed. I don`t know about Norway`s part in development. Sorry about that but it was mentioned in maritime studies (Jane`s def) about development frigates.
Ilona7maverick7 2 years ago