Lister D - First Initial Run - After Rebuild

[jannercornwall]

Not having a moan but !! You came very close to being wound up with your loose fitting shirt there at one stage when it was close to the gib key !! also its 8 stroking because the air valve is set too weak causing it to hunt so much, thats why it picked up momentarily when you richened it , nice job though . looks sweet..

[Bevoin1970]

@jannercornwall You know at the time, I wasn't aware of any of that, which is odd for me because Im an ex-toolmaker, so Im used to machinery and revolving parts etc. It was only when I watched the film back I saw what you saw, I gave myself a rollicking, trust me. I was frustrated by the engine not working 100per cent, I think.

My problem was the condenser, soon as that was sorted out, everything ran fine after that.

Im quite pleased with myself over this engine, it was tough going at times.

THX

[jannercornwall]

@jannercornwall Yeh at 2.25 i thought bloody hell that was close !!!! you done a nice job there and should be proud of a job well done , i believe in the same , do it right , do it once . just be careful in future ! cheers jon

[Bevoin1970]

@jannercornwall Oddly enough this whole job began with a Petrol leak, the Paint bubbled up, resulting in me scraping it off, which lead on to me stripping it down and doing what I did here. Im glad I did, like you say, do it once and do it proper, unlike the engines last owner who just slapped paint over everything slap dash like, restored he said! my arse! - Least I can look at this now and know in my heart that Im happy with it....

Thanks for the feedback.

Paul :-)

[jannercornwall]

@Bevoin1970 A lot of people say that you can over restore an engine , but at the end of the day i like to see working clothes and highly polished examples, and it,s your engine and if your happy with it then thats all that matters

[ancjr]

That workbench will never be the same after this. :)

[Bevoin1970]

@ancjr Ha Ha.. its ok it survived to assist on another day. :-)

[eatmypies]

HI IM HAVING PROBLEMS WITH RESTORING MINE.IVE GOT THE HEAD BACK ON BUT THE ROCKER GEAR KEEPS COMING OFF THE CONRODS ANY TIPS PLEASE ANDY

[Bevoin1970]

@eatmypies Im still trying to grasp exactly whats happening. On the bottom end inside the crankcase, the Pushrods sit inside a half cup type thing, these cups follow the cam pushing up the rods. At the top end, the rod is dished if I remember rightly, and this fits like a ball and socket joint onto the rocker arm. Providing the tappets are set correctly, approx 10 thou inch, no way should they come out. Tie wire around the push roads and lower down inside the crankcase to position them :-)

[7784Patrick]

with one paf tchoufftchouff every 3 seconds it must be very economic

i am sure that you will find the solution Paul

great job of restauration

have a good weekend my friend

Pat

[Bevoin1970]

@7784Patrick Thanks Patrick, I certainly wont be using much fuel at this rate... ha ha

[007vauxhall]

Hi Paul, I was just wondering what that white stuff (like milk) you were pouring in? Paul .

[Bevoin1970]

@007vauxhall Its soluble oil commonly called "Slurry" or "Suds oil" if your in engineering.

Its oil that is part mixed with water and used for cooling down cutting tools in engineering factories, Im using it because it will keep the inside the hopper rust free, simple but effective.

Thanks for asking, bet you thought it was best Gold Top milk... ha ha :-))

[007vauxhall]

@Bevoin1970 , Thanks for letting me know, It did look good enough to drink...haha :-) Thanks Paul

[cornishadz]

Or it is the first hit and miss D type haha

[Bevoin1970]

@cornishadz Ha Ha - My thoughts exactly :-)

[cornishadz]

Have you got good earth between the mag and the mounting plate?

There should be shiney metal but it does seem like the mag!

You could also try taking the mag off and spinning it with a drill to help revive it?

Cracking restoration though!!

[Bevoin1970]

@cornishadz Yes good earth all over the place, even bolts beneath holding mag in place. Whats this about spinning in a drill all about? Never heard of doing that before.

Thanks for the comments, Im chuffed with the results too.

Got a new spark plug to bang in and try again the weekend when I have more time.

[cornishadz]

@Bevoin1970 The Drill myth sometimes works.. I had a dodgy mag on a Lister D which acted the same as yours so i swopped with another which a friend had and he put a drill on the old faulty one and being turned over at a high rpm returned the spark

[Bevoin1970]

@cornishadz Thanks for that, I shall have to remember that trick... :-))

[Bevoin1970]

@Truck407 Thanks Boris, yes we have had some very nice sunny weather in england the last week or so, must be Global warming in action... :-))

Glad you enjoyed the video, something slightly different I think.

Greetings to Russia

Paul :-)

[robmasterman]

But wrenching anticipation there Paul, another example of the skill and patience you have in abundance to logically work through each part of the process to eliminate the problem areas. Fascinating to watch, and I for one will put money on a successful outcome. On top of all this you manage to produce this excellent coverage of the whole event.....I bow to your superior talents...Bob

[Bevoin1970]

@robmasterman My head has just swollen so big.. ha ha - your much too kind you know Mr Bob. I thank Thee.

Yes a tad disappointing when she wouldn't fire up properly, I could have cheated and not filmed the outcome, but thats not me, nothing is perfect and a few teething troubles wont put me off, after all Im an engineer, trouble is never far away... ha ha

Soon as I sort out my hiccup, I shall post a video of it running perfectly. Thanks for such wonderful feedback. Much appreciated as always.

[steamwally]

hmmm, something is definitly not quite right there. How did you set the timing, 10 degrees BTDC? Valve clearances should be 15 thou, I would try fitting a new condenser as they are known to play havock.

Good luck!

Phill.

[Bevoin1970]

@steamwally I have had moments of it running apparently ok after changing the Spark Plug, it could well be something on the magneto side of things, more investigation is needed.

My timing is set to 20 degrees BTDC 10 degrees is for slower running so it seems. Tappets are around 15 thou, points 10 thou and everything checks ok. Only items I cant check without a direct swap are the condenser and the HT coil.

[steamwally]

Ok, how long have you had it running for, if it starts to struggle and then stops after about an hour that is classic coil failure, especialy if it won't start easily right away.

Also, how soon are you switching over to paraffin? I recon it would be worth just running petrol for a bit.

[Bevoin1970]

@steamwally During the time it ran perfectly for around 30 seconds, but then ran out of Petrol, as Im only using the small tank, not even tried it on Paraffin just yet, not until its running properly on Petrol at least.

Hopefully the weekend when I have more time, I have a new Spark Plug to try in, so fingers crossed Im expecting better results. If that fails to make her run properly, then I really do think my Magneto or associated things need looking into.

Exhaust hasn't got hot yet! - Thanks

[steamwally]

The engine should run for at least 1/2 an hour if that little starting tank is full, I wonder if your timing is wrong at 20 degrees BTDC, a friend of mine swears by setting all his engines to 10.

[Bevoin1970]

@steamwally 20 Degrees is the correct factory setting according to the Lister book, 10 degrees is used by those on the rally scene who want their engines to run slower, either way my engine should run at least on either of those two settings, 10 or 20 degrees is just fine tuning in my book.

[steamwally]

ok, well best of luck!

[johnwood57]

Nice Paul,well you are nearly there,i do not know much about engines,but no doubt that you will reach perfection i have every faith in you..............John

[Bevoin1970]

@johnwood57 Thanks John, just a few teething troubles with the electrics, but trust me it will be sorted out one way or another or my name isn't Paul... :-))

You just keep watching this space. lol

[aid2003]

I am sure you will make her run..

[Bevoin1970]

@aid2003 You keep watching this space Andy its guaranteed.... Thanks for watching.

Paul :-)

[1958IanM]

She is sooooooooooooooo nearly there.

At least it's running and sounds ok inbetween coughs.

I'm sure you'll get it sorted soon.

Looking very smart though.

Ian

PS Not sure if filling it with milk was a good idea though :-)

[Bevoin1970]

@1958IanM Frustrating isn't it? - I could have cheated and not filmed it at all, but thats not my style, I think you should see it as it is, problems and all. Its only a fault on either the HT side magneto, condenser, or the Spark Plug, More investigating is required, trouble is I keep getting called out to bloody work.. Grrr Ha Ha.

Your the first to mention the Milk, must admit I did laugh out at that one, really did tickle me. So observant Mr Ian. Its actually 'Suds Oil" soluble oil "Slurry"

[enginelover1]

Cheers Bevoin1970. Is she working good??

[Bevoin1970]

@enginelover1 No not quite just yet, but she will soon... Thanks for asking :-)

[enginelover1]

@Bevoin1970 Your welcome, I like asking to further my knowledge.  LOL

[Bevoin1970]

@enginelover1 Thats ok thanks :-)

[birdman404]

u give urself a heart attck man take it easy lol!!!

[Bevoin1970]

@birdman404 I've calmed down since I began cranking this over, and discovered I can get it to start firing up just by spinning the flywheel by hand, so just goes to show you don't need to whiz it over at 100 mph.

Only trouble is its not running properly just yet.

Phew I was well knackered last Saturday after yanking my arms out cranking this... ha ha

[mrstuart143]

one tip is don't strain yourself when trying to start it i find the longer you crank it the better.

[Bevoin1970]

@mrstuart143 Funnily today I can get it to fire just by spinning the flywheel by hand, but my fault means it wont stay running for very long. Im convinced its in the HT, Plug side of things.

Very briefly it did run perfectly and as it should, no idea what I did, or what had changed to make that happen, but I haven't been able to replicate it since. Cracks in the points cover don't help matters neither.

I know my timing is right too, hence the hand start by flywheel.

Thanks for the advice

[Bevoin1970]

@mrstuart143 I can spin the flywheel by hand and get it to begin firing up in a fashion, obviously its not running properly just yet, but proves the timing is set ok without any kicking back.

It also proves that you need to crank it over at 100 mph like I was doing earlier on.

[Bevoin1970]

@slimmon2000 My brain hurts you know, all weekend I've tinkered & pondered as you do, and for a very brief moment, not caught on camera I might add, typical!, she ran perfectly then run out of Petrol just as I was getting excited. LOL

I know its just a silly fault, just a case of finding it.

The hard work is over now, but Im kinda glad all is not quite well just yet, means I can keep tinkering just a little bit longer.. :-)

If you was on the edge, imagine me?

You just keep watching

Thanks Andy

[multivan2001]

I think the most work is done, Paul. Only a few fine adjustments are left I think. Very good work. But the construction under the machine seems to be very instable :-)

Greetings from Kiel

Nils

[Bevoin1970]

@multivan2001 I see you like my work bench, flexible like trees in the wind.... ha ha

Until I get the fine tuning sorted out, it makes for easy work whilst the engine is at a nice height to work on.

Once Im happy with the running, then I shall take it off the bench and onto the floor. I have more room outside on the bench than I do in my shed.

Thanks for the nice comments Nils, I shall continue to fix this little fault eventually, and post another video of it working properly.

Hello Kiel :-)

[007vauxhall]

I been looking forward to seeing the Lister after the rebuild. Cheers Paul :-)

[Bevoin1970]

@007vauxhall Me too, and now the bugger is being a bad boy. One of those silly faults that is very annoying to trace, but eventually It will be found one way or another and sorted out.

I shall make another film of the engine running as it should soon as I get it sorted out, hopefully I will get it mobile too with some wheels, so I can move it around and on more solid ground.

Thanks, but it aint over till the fat lady sings as they say... :-))

[MakeDoAndMend1]

I had an engine do this and it was fuel starvation, hold down the float whilst it is running to see if it runs better. Mine ended up to be a blocked fuel tap. Nice restoration job.

[Bevoin1970]

@MakeDoAndMend1 I've tried holding down the float, no change, I can get it flooded just by opening the mixture dial more turns, the plug gets wet so I know its getting fuel. The position its in now seems just right regarding fuel / air setting. Very briefly after I made this film, and for some unknown reason it ran perfectly today, at speed too, so I know its an intermittent kind of fault, saying that I haven't been able to replicate it since.

Thanks for the comments and advice, much appreciated

[MrSteamdan]

You wanna be carefull running it on that bench make sure its mounted on a trolley other wise its a dangerous heath and safety risk ..

[Bevoin1970]

@MrSteamdan Thanks for the safety advice, soon as I have sorted out my little problems and I don't have to keep bending over to look at the contact breaker points getting a bad back in the process, then you can bet your little cotton socks, the engine will end up safe and sound at ground level, and eventually have its own wheels.

Until then it stays bolted to the bench where I can get at it in comfort.

[hanomagman]

Very nice painted, Looks very good!

I think you're right about the magneto.

[Bevoin1970]

@hanomagman Yes I too think I may have either an intermittent spark at the Plug. I know for sure I have a cracked Points cover, seen two cracks, so maybe I have a short to earth there? without swapping it over for another Magneto its hard to say 100%

Very briefly, and all of a sudden it ran perfectly, then ran out of fuel... Grrr :-))

I know it will be a very silly fault when I find it. I shall try a new spark plug next as my cheapest option, then consider the magneto after that.

Thanks :-))

[goldie103103]

Looks good Paul, Just been tickering with my Wolseley today, Probally do simular with that.

[Bevoin1970]

@goldie103103 Thanks Oliver :-)

[terence20001]

Looking Good now it's all back together , Would'nt be half as much fun without a teething problem or two :-) Let us know how you get on . Cheer's Terry

[Bevoin1970]

@terence20001 I have spent hours over this during this weekend, I have set the points and the timing umpteen times, just to double check as you do. In one brief moment, she ran at speed and all normal like, then it ran out of Petrol. I couldn't replicate that result again. I will try another spark plug next, then begin looking at the Magneto.

I know its only something silly somewhere, just a matter of finding it...

Yes your right I wouldn't have anything to do if it ran perfect.

Thanks Terence

[MrFasttrack1]

what was this engine used for?

[Bevoin1970]

@MrFasttrack1 Milking machines on Farms, Generators, water Pumps, all manor of things really that need some sort of mechanical power back in olden days...

[pwalpar]

Maybe its the timing Paul. Im no expert but wonder if there is a worn or wrong sized slot key in the shaft the flywheel is attached to.

[Bevoin1970]

@pwalpar I know for sure it will be something very silly, through experience, just a matter of locating it through trial and error. Im quite sure its on the electrical side though, Spark Plug, Contact breaker points or Magneto.

Thanks for the advice Walter.

[ThePixelpoke]

The little engine is looking really good, a really great effort. A shame it is not running a sweet as it should be. But, it's all part of the fun of tinkering with it. The answer will come to you at a odd time, or when you are 100s of miles from home - plenty of time to think about it when on your travels in the van. Thanks for the update video, appreciate it. Matt.

[Bevoin1970]

@ThePixelpoke You know your damn right there, whilst Im sat driving I dare say I shall have one of those "Light Bulb" moments when the Penny drops.

Its only something silly, for a very brief moment today, not caught on camera, she ran at normal speed like she should, so I know Im not far away from sorting it out. thats why I suspect something on the spark / Magneto side of things.

Thanks Matt

[Jobergg]

That engine is not running good, I hope you can find what it is.

Are you sure it get enough with fuel? Or maybe it's a airleak!

Please let us know what the problem was when you find it.

[Bevoin1970]

@Jobergg Everything seems as it should no obvious problems that I can see, today very briefly she ran normally as it should, I was overjoyed, but it didn't last long, so I know it has to be something very silly, but annoying. Its a trial and error process now, ticking things off as I go.

I shall sort it out, and will make another video of it running properly. The story isn't over just yet!! :-))

Thanks for the advice.