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  • okay, he said----> private ceremony is okay, civil union is okay, but a legal marriage is not okay, he isn't flip-flopping

  • a ceremony thing? it's called a marriage you idiot. between two people, not that hard to understand

  • DUDE HE'S NOT FLIP-FLOPPING!!!  he's saying gays can have civil unions, but not marriages. There's a HUGE difference there!

  • @rmsprowler a marriage in america is a civil union...

  • @TheAfroQween not in most states. you should check your facts because they're wrong.

  • Flip-flopping loser. I'm tired of his bi-polar fits and temper tantrums. You lost the Presidency by a hilariously large margin, get the fuck over it already. Weren't you a war hero? Suck it up.

  • @JosephMama11 gay 4chan crappy copy pasta text

  • @JosephMama11 lmao

  • @ytany84

    1 Corinthians 7:36 says NOTHING against pedophilia!!!!!!!!

  • @ytany84

    Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

    -1 Corinthians 7:25-28 NIV

  • "An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband."

    "If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married."

    -1 Corinthians 7:34, 36 NIV

  • BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Small minded bitch!!

  • John McCain had plenty of homosexual experiences while being held prisoner in the war. The gooks took turns slamin his ass & riding his Irish peanut of a prick.John McCain is not man enough to be prez cause he's old in mind and body!

  • @ytany84, the Catholic Church does not force anyone to be celibate, that is a choice one one makes. Priests freely sacrifice the gift of marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven... no one forced them to do it.

  • The Catholic Church shouldn't even have that as a requirement for something biblically unheard of to begin with, that is, a clergy priesthood.

  • ceremony type thing? god, theres nothing wrong with changing your mind, but dude! stick with something!

  • marriage is fucked up!  regardless..

  • who cares marriage dont last anyways, and if they stay together they end up miserable so imo let the fagoids and dyketards be miserable along with regular humans!

  • thanks for sending all the discusting comments and mail.

    i love you too :D

    If you seriosuly think sending stuff will make me change what I think, forget it.

    what ever, bring it ,you think i care. I dont.

  • wow your cool.

  • People are people. People who are anti gay marriage are low life, selfish worthless pieces of shit in my opinion. If he can have his opinion then I can have mine, I think he's should burn in hell.

  • anti gay marragie people worthless pieces of shit? It's in the bible that gay marragie is wrong. Anyone who turns against God will burn in hell not someone who is with God.

  • wow what bullshit.

    you're susposed to accept people for who they are

    and then you're against gay marriage.

    wo go fuck yourself. i really dont like you so stfu.

  • You know what else god says in the bible?

    ''Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

    And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.'

  • what the hell does this has to with gay marriage? because i dont support one thing I suddenly support everything else. this is about gay marragie not whatever the hell your talking about.

  • It's 2009. You think all that stuff you posted is as common as it was? No. Women are not silent in church, theres no slavery, and whatever i did'nt even read the rest of the stuff you posted. It's a free country so why are u posting bible entry things that don't apply to us. Yeah cause I said it's in the bible gay marragie is wrong. Okay you dont belive that so...? what you trying to say to me besides that fact you like gay marragie and you think im stupid.

  • I am pointing out that the bible is a very very poor source of moral guidence. Those were the things God supposedly said, if you are a Christian they most certainly SHOULDapply.I am pointing out the stupidity in the way you are picking and choosing which bits in the bible you want to follow and which you ignore.

    The fact that you justified it by saying 'its now 2009' perfectly shows this..Gods word should be eternal should it not? You are just picking and choosing, have you even read the bible?

  • My uncle is priest. I go to church and practice relgion all the time. I still have more to know and learn. I hope you know I'm only 14 it's not like I learned everything to know about the earth and God.

  • what ever. your annoying I dont even want to talk to you i just get pissed off. Go do a guy for I care. Whatever it's your life not mine. I got better things to do than talk to a wierdo who thinks he knows everything in the bible. Seriosuly your not a preist I'm sure my uncle, who is a priest, knows more than you any day. I should be talking to him not you.

  • Who says im even gay? I do not need to be black to say that racism is wrong, why should I need to be gay to say your bigotted beliefs are wrong?

    The fact that you have no answers to my points further cements them beautifully. Another 'Christian' who does not even know their own fucking bible..

    "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." Isaac Asimov

    You are just a Christian because your parents are too, if you were born in Saudi Arabia you would be a Muslim

  • I own a bible asshole. You don't even know who I am. and what questions did you ask me even ask me. yeah and I am sure you read the whole bible. Your an adult who doesnt have a life. your gay, im not, this stuff your getting your probably copy and pasting from the internet. hahaa yeah i doubt you know more than him. How many years have you been studying religion. Im sure he knows way more than you. Your some loser who does guitar lessons. oh yeah and has a thing for guys.

  • Im sure that is the response Jesus would have wanted you to make :P.

    Jesus was of course a big fan of insulting people he disagreed with by calling them gay?

    Tell me please where he ever criticized homosexuality? Jesus NEVER mentioned homosexuality. Again, thanks for proving my point :P. Oh Christians...how you amuse me so.

  • Fun fact for you by the way, all studies taken (including those by CHRISTIAN organisations) have shown that with increasing education, religious belief decreases.Hence 93% of the National Accademy of Sciences do not believe in God. So statistically im likely to know more than your uncle.

  • Your stupid comments are a perfect example of this.You stated nonsense from the bible you have not read to support your prejudice beliefs,got called out on it and just responded with 'your annoying I dont want to talk to you'. Sounds like a real intelligent person right?

    If you are going to base your morals on the bible then you should at least read the damn thing and be aware of its sexist, genocidal slavery supporting god.

  • your gay hahahah. gay fag.

  • Or what about 'A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.'.

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  • haha like you didnt say mean things to me. you called me discusting and crap so really you shouldnt be talking.

  • Not to mention passages justifying slavery such as

    ' When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.'

  • Or his disgusting genocidal orders such as

    "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones(children), and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

    Not only is he ordering genocide (and infanticide) but the raping of young girls...and you claim this is a being worthy of worship? You are disgusting.

  • He doesn't get the entire issue.... like, what the hell does it even mean? Aren't all marriages civil unions? Why the hell do gays want to be married so badly anyway? Give them the same rights and call it something else if this is an english discussion... I mean, poor McCain.... he's a guy that became a politician and is trying to appeal ot the larger crowd and can't just say: WHO GIVES A FUCK

  • Who cares? Those who are not being considered equal care. Seperate but equal does not work. Should we go back to giving black education, but give them their own schools? A marriage lience is granted by the religious neutral goverment. Only if the ceremony if performed in a church is it religious. That is why a jugde does the divorce, not the priest. It is a matter of being seen as equals in the eyes of the law. Anything else is riding the bus, but sitting at the back.

  • I don't know man... I don't see how education is the same as marriage. Education is something every individual needs, marriage is just a ceremony adjoining two people. When I hear "Their married", I think of opposite sexes... If they want to create a new word for the same thing like "Their murried" or some shit(lol) that's fine by me.

  • why let people why don't believe in God get married? Makes it easy to allow priest to perform their church and state duties at same time "by the power invested in me by God, and the state of... ", but a JP says "by the power invested in me by the state of..."(some countries require they be seperate ceremonies). Rabi's won't marry inter-faith couples, so should the state out law that because it is against Jewish beliefs? Do we impose some religions on gays? and never other religions on straights?

  • Your asking very simple questions that I never denied.

  • in the bible it says that all women who are not virgins on their wedding day shall be stoned to death..so if you want to force your religious beliefs on gays..then I say we help you follow your own religion...WHO WANTS THE FIRST STONE?....ya can't just take "parts" of the bible for yourselves to live by while condemning others...HYPOCRITICAL ass munching fairy tale believing mindless sheep!

  • John McCain is such a dumbass

  • America! I think you made the right choice!

  • oh god damn, fuck your stupid conspiracy theories and grow the fuck up.

  • u fucking looser get off the conspiracy theory train,

    fucking idiot

    Obama is the shit

  • obama has bone more to fix this country in a few months than 3'd grade educated BUSH did to destroy it in his 8 year reign of terror....funny...the republicans expect Obama to fix in a few months what BUsh took 8 years to mess up...

  • America you!! made the best choice

    Obama rules.

  • Dem and Rep parties are both under the thumb of the CFr and Bilderberg group. I wouldn't expect the majority of you apathetics to take the times to research such things as the North American Union, or look into 911 Truth because you have your precious model in your head of what can and what absolutely cannot be. Call me an CT, at least I can look objectively at things.BTW, Obama IS a member of the CFR, which is influence HIGHLY by David D Rockefeller. Do you even know what he is about?

    ~Void~

  • aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahaha

  • And just like Bush, Mccain can't even speak straight. What an idiot. It's a good thing Obama won. He's going to fix what Bush fucked up.

  • or make it worse cause hes an american politic

  • P.S, John Mccain is a dumbfuck and im happy he didnt win, and i cant wait till gay marriage is legal. so finally this country can be one step closer to being equal.

  • gay. people are yuck. i feel vomite, if i even think of them, they are sick

  • Gay Marriage may be the non-issue that helped blow up what was once known as the GOP. Thanks to America's growing disgust with the Christian Taliban and their hateful politics, respect for the Republican Party is evaporating.

    Just like Bush assured victory for Obama, men like MacArthur will assure that equality for all Americans is coming sooner than it would have otherwise.

    Obama signed the equal pay for equal work act. Republicans fought it, but want bigger bonuses for bank executives.

  • Where he said these things ?? in gay place or all Americans people are gay ?

  • 11% of the world populartion is gay. If all the closets in which fearful gays and lesbians are hiding from ignorant bigots were to vanish, you'd be surprised how many people VERY CLOSE TO YOU are gay. Would you hate and lecture them all?

    Insisiting that a gay person live as a heterosexual is like someone demanding you walk on your hands. Unless you have no legs, what a needlessly cruel thing to ask, wouldn't you agree?

    Ask not a sacrifice unless willing to make an equal sacrice yourself!

  • they should have given gays rights when Blacks/women got their rights; how long does it take our country to learn

  • hmm gays seem to be the losers in america now

  • Are you a Christian? If so, "Don't judge and you shall not be judged". You are only supposed to think of them as your brothers and sisters. Don't mix up Christianity with your own satanic beliefs...

  • Actually, I'm not judging, I don't judge anyone, because we are all sinners in one way or another, but the thing is, i don't try to twist my sins and make them out to be a normal or acceptable behavior...can you imagine if everyone took their sins and did that? we would have no moral compass at all...

  • Well, there is a BIG difference. Have a kiss between guys ever hurt you? Gays don't hurt people. Violence does. It's the same with nudity. Being nude doesn't hurt people, it's just something that stupid humans has come up with.

  • this is silly...Blacks and Women are people, human beings, Gay is a lifestyle, the two are not even remotely close...

  • *correction, gay isnt a lifestyle, its the way ur born or not, ur either born straight, bi, or gay. get it right.

  • Well, you can't really provide any basis for your explanation. There is no medical, social or religious body that can prove you are "born" this way and since there is no record anywhere that God created some people to be gay, I have no choice but to consider it a lifestyle and when you come out of your denial, you will be forced to do the same.

  • i have plenty of explanation, my best friend is a lesbian and she has told me "i hate the dissemination against gay people and if i could be straight i would but i'm not, i never was" that proves it for me. its not a lifestyle, your trying to say having sex is a lifestyle? so straight is a lifestyle too? no its not, i was born straight.your so ignorant, they have proven it, its psychological. so get it right....

  • I never said having sex is a lifestyle, i'm saying being gay is a lifestyle, one that a person can choose..Now I do believe that the way one is raised and the experiences they have at an early age can lead someone to this choice...I wish i was better at math, but the importance of math was never emphasized properly to me so i never understood how important it is, but I can't say I was born not knowing how to be mathematical. so although you have an explanation, you have no real proof.

  • your comparing math to homosexuals? no homosexuals do NOT CHOOSE to be gay, i didnt choose to be straight because guess what? i was born that way and im not attracted to women. we're born with characteristics and genes and homosexuality is a gene whether you want to believe it or not. its part of who the person is, and their personality. thats proof enough, and think most people can agree with that logic.

  • Im not comparing anything, I was making a point with an analogy..there is a difference...and you can't be serious, now there is a homosexual gene?? from where do you get this so called fact?? like i said originally, you can't prove that medically, religiously or socially...this is some theory homosexuals have made up to justify it...Please don't get me wrong, I'm no gay hater or basher, I don't feel like I'm better than you, but I just don't think its wise to justify a sinful lifestyle.

  • fine whatever, believe what you want to i just know i'm right. but may i ask you this, do you really think its a sin to love the same sex in a romantic way? (im not including having sex) just loving them? didnt Jesus teach and embraced love? loving somebody, no matter what the gender is, is not a sin. Jesus taught us to love each other, remember that? it doesnt matter who you are, we all love somebody, and some people love others in a different way, its not sinful at all.

  • shut the fuck up, "sinful"? You think because someone not having a sexual attraction to someone of other gender is sinful? WHERE IS YOU GOD NOW LOLOL. Well, back to the point. How come you religious people are so biased? If God is so "forgiving" why would he send someone to burn simply because of this fact? I'd like to see him/her/it take action sometime, and actuallly do something to make this world a better place. God gave us choice, and humanity as a whole fucked that up.

  • God is always on the scene..Yes God gives us a choice..the choice between right and WRONG..God is only forgiving if you are willing to repent from your sins, not try to justify them.Homosexuality is NOT what God intended for his followers, its that simple.If we were to use your rationale, then nothing would be a sin.everything would be able to be "explained" or "justified".Homosexuality especially in terms of the sex act is unnatural.the Anus was not meant for Sex, it has one specific function.

  • "Anus was not meant for Sex"

    Well neither is the mouth, now try telling men (Straight or Gay) God says they can't have a Blowjob!

    I'm pretty damn sure the Bible doesn't say "Thou Shalt not Suck thy Lover Off!"

    Besides, being a Gay man doesn't automatically mean you like anal sex, I know plenty of Gays who don't!

    Sorry Bub, it's not a choice!

  • You're right, the mouth was not made for it, therefore that's forbidden as well..but like you trying to justify homosexuality, you will find hetero's trying to justify that, in fact, you will find ALL who sin trying to justify it...that is the exact danger of your type of thinking..the Devil is always trying to make evil, fair seeming..Listen, I'm not judging you since I'm not the judge, but God didn't make a mistake, and he made Woman for Man and vice versa it is indeed a choice and a bad one.

  • you do know that found the gene that carries homosexuality......

  • That is a lie..No medical or scientific body will confirm your claim.The fact is, there is no "homosexuality" gene.think about it, if you believe that to be true, then you must believe there is a "smoking" gene an "alcohol" gene, a "happy" gene, a "depression" gene etc..don't take my comments to be anti homosexual as far as the person is concerned...I don't think people should be treated less because of it, but by the same token I don't think people should try to justify this behavior either.

  • Why would God care about somebody getting a blow job? I don't see the harm in it. Please can you then explain to me what exactly is the problem with homosexuality? Apart from te fact that God apparantly forbids it. Try to answer using common sense though, not just by learning things from an outdated book that even manages to contradict itself.

  • God forbidding it is ALL I need, I don't care what man says..If your logic were to be applied, then it would be ok for a man to love a dog, whale, sheep..etc...Woman was made as a mate for man, not a man....If you don't believe in God, then there is no way I can convince you of this."Common sense" at times is what man has used to justify breaking God's law...sometimes you may not understand the reason for a law, but it still has to be obeyed..its that simple. we follow laws not question them.

  • I on the other hand question everything and don't follow any laws. I manage to live my life using my own brain and so far I don't think I have ever done anybody any harm, unlike many Christians. Yes I believe it is ok for a man to love a dog, a sheep or a whale, why not? If he isn't doing any harm that's fine with me.

  • but thats just it...being fine with you, or with me does not apply...it only matters what God wants...again, if you don't believe in God then we will never see eye to eye on this..

    So you believe that the only criteria for a law is if it harms another person?? let me ask you...what if loving the dog is actually harming him? how would you know? you should apply some of that "common sense' to what you say as well..

  • I actually didn't say harming another person i said "doing harm", so if it is harming the dog in this case then yes I believe it is wrong. I think you'd be able to tell. Does the Bible really forbid loving a dog though? just out of interest. How would you know what to do if it wasn't?

    So far I've managed to make the right decisions for myself without having to refer to the bible. I would rate my opinions above those in the Bible

  • the right decisions for yourself?? I don't know you, but i doubt it...God is the author of life..you can't make better decisions than God..

    How are you sure you would be able to tell if you're doing harm to the dog? there are more ways to harm somthing other than physcial...what about emotionally, physcologically etc..people can't even tell that with other humans...just curious, are you gay? I mean i could probably assume so, but you could be just anti God, or perhaps both??

  • I am neither gay nor anti-God. I just like to question things before following and believing. Had you been born in a Muslim country I expect you would now be blindly following the Kuran.

    What I meant though is does the bible actaully forbid loving a dog? Because if it doesn't then surely your stand is pointless, because Christians could love dogs wether they do them harm or not. A good time to make your own decision perhaps?

  • it probably makes no mention of it, but then again it makes no mention of having sex with a child either...is that ok?? it appears you only wish to apply "common sense" in favor of your argument, but you don't like to use it much...and I'm not sure why you assume people are "blindly" following the bible rather than reading it and understanding it...

  • Quote: "God forbidding it is ALL I need, I don't care what man says.." now you tell me if you believe it is ok to have sex with a child because it isn't forbidden in the bible.

    I was trying to prove the point that YOU as a follower of God's word should be allowed to love a dog. I on the other hand make up my OWN mind wether or not I am doing harm.

    Ok sorry: you are reading and understanding the bible, THEN ignoring the glaring mistakes to blindly follow it.

  • you said there was no mention in the bible forbidding falling in love with a dog.I said there are many things not directly mentioned in the bible, that we know are wrong & i used a crude example. Homosexuality is another example. sex is a method used to procreate, therefore it can be reasonably deduced that if you can't procreate with it, you shouldn't have sex with it the use of the word it represents another lifeform. God gave everyone freedom of choice, we also know right from wrong!

  • but surely everything not directly forbidden in the bible leaves these questions open to one's own interpretation. I for example there is no harm done having sex with someone of the same sex, I use my common sense and voila! i made the better decision, because I don't disrespect people for something which is really none of my business.

  • By the way does the bible mention anything about not being allowed to drive cars? because i could just think of hundreds of reasons not to. We all know its harmful to drive a car but even christians chose wrong from right in this case.

  • You are now trying to make nonsense sound like common sense...difficult to have a logical and sensible debate with you...Bottom line, homosexuality is a sin, accept it or don't, doesn't matter to me what you do...I accept it, you obviously don't...lets leave it there...

  • But you can't give me a logical reason why homosexuality is a sin. And if it is then why did the almighty God make people homosexual?

    Have you ever tried to read and understand the Kuran by the way? Because i believe Muslims believe just as strongly in their Allah. Now somebody is in for a nasty surprise on Judgement Day.

  • God's law doesn't require what you consider to be logic..that's all I can say to you...if you feel you're as wise as God, then you continue to use what you call logic when judging his law...I just noticed you're only 20....that explains a lot to me...by the way, I am Muslim....

  • wether you're Muslim or christian doesn't matter; someone's going to find out the hard way they were wrong according to God. So if God's law doesn't require logic at all I would call that blindly following it.

    What does my age have to do with my opinion on this? Will I perhaps "find" God when I am older? I hope I do because at the moment i lack not only the proof that he exists but also the belief in his good will.

  • and blacks like you used to be slaves...perhaps its time the majority re-votes on that..ok?..I could use a lawn mowing......and some cotton picked!!...

    oh wait you wouldnt like that would you?..too bad...majority rules!

  • You gays are always trying to compare your plight with that of Blacks...Homosexuality is a lifestyle that some are trying to pass off as a birth right..There is no proof of any Gay gene or DNA therefore, you can't begin to make the comparison...The point is, I don't want Gays being mistreated, discriminated against etc. but i feel the same for the heroin user, and to me, both are the same.people who made a lifestyle choice...just please don't try to force your sinful lifestyle on the rest of us.

  • Being gay is as bad as not loving chocolate ice cream, gays aren't forcing their lifestyle on you, if they were they would be trying to ban heterosexual marriage, and they obviously aren't, they just want their own right to get married.

    These are adult's making a choice, not some paedophile taking advantage of a child, yes being gay is a lifestyle but so is being heterosexual, so by your analogy heterosexual is the same as a crack addict, just because it's also a lifestyle.

  • Heterosexuality is NOT a lifestyle, its the natural order of things..Homosexuality IS a lifestyle, mainly because its a choice you have made..You may try to convince others, that you had no choice but there is no medical proof that has identified this mysterious gay gene...I never made a comparison to gays and pedophilia.many heteros have been involved with that, so that's another sickness altogether... Im just not sure why you want states to recognize a union that is unnatural..

  • HETEROSEXUALITY IS AS MUTCH OF A LIFE STYLE AS HOMOSEXUALITY, do you chose to like the taste of chocolate or is it something you like naturally, you may object to eat chocolate but liking it is natural, gays don't chose to be gay so they can have children, thats obvious but they still are attracted to the same sex, and there is nothing inherently bad about that, you say it's the same as a crack addiction when it's isn't, if you think we should keep traditional marriage then no blacks and whites.

  • Heterosexuality is normal...why do you think I i don't have to beg the courts to recognize me marrying a woman?? because that has been the natural order of things since the beginning.why is it that one has to come OUT of the closet? you were in the closet in the first place because you knew this was abnormal behavior...Now that doesn't make you a horrible person in my eyes, but please stop trying to make homosexuality seem normal because it never has been and never will be.

  • The reason gay's have to"come out of the closet"is because of people like you that tell them there is something wrong with them, because they are afraid their families arent going to accept them, because people insult and bully them, ifyou like something that I don't like, it's fine, i don't like it but i think you should be allowed to , they are born that way thats their normal, it's like someone who is born not liking chocolate, their few but the but their is nothing inherently wrong withthem

  • I don't condone anyone being bullied, insulted, physically or verbally attacked etc....I don't even have a problem with you choosing the lifestyle that you have, my issue is, I don't want my children growing up thinking this behavior is normal...Just like i don't want my children to think its normal to drink alcohol, do drugs, be disrespectful etc..the problem is, Gays have intellectualized this issue to a point to where some accept it as normal behavior..I disagree with that.

  • You put being gay in the same category as doing drugs and drinking alcohol, when there is nothing inherently wrong with being gay, it's not a choice people make to the same degree as its not a choice to being straight, how is being gay abnormal you treat it as something subhuman, if you want to teach your children bigotry go ahead but to outlaw homosexuality just because you think it's gross then you golive under a rock where you don't have to experience different mindsets.

  • not once did i tell you how to live..Your personal choice is none of my business...My concern is when you try to force your choice on me and others, and want us to accept it...we who oppose it, believes it as behavior that is Anti God..that's it..I realize some people want to treat you negatively, and again, I don't condone that at all...

  • You haven't said trough out all your comment's absolutely nothing that makes homosexuality inherently bad,and plus you would have to prove god to make your analogy valid, in which case you are an infidel to the islamic/any other god and deserve to be killed. but we don't execute you do we, you know why, religion doesn't belong in politics.

  • Well, if you don't believe in God, then there is no need to carry on this discussion..But if you truly believed in God, you would actually see things my way...have a good life, and I will never recognize any Gay marriage as legitimate...

  • People can love each other wether you agree or not, I hope you realize that one day.

  • Love?? yes! romantic love?? an aberration...one day YOU WILL realize that!

  • Do you think all gays are sex obsessed freak's well they aren't

    and I blame your attitude on the gay parade, it makes us all look like a bunch of butterfly sex faggot's, you have plenty of misconception's about gay's as do plenty of people, hopefully you'll realize one day, that we are the same.

  • I see you like to make a lot of assumptions...I have not formed my opinion on any parade..I have and will never watch that...it has nothing to do with being obsessed with sex or not...Man was not made to be romantically involved with another man, or woman with another woman...its just that simple.

  • "Man was not made to be romantically involved with another man, or woman with another woman"

    Your obviously wrong since gay's exist, duh, and all you've said in all your comment's is "I think it's gross,blah blah blah the bible says it's wrong blah blah blah"

    You haven't at all pointed out how being gay is in anyway inherently bad or wrong.

    I'll say it again, being gay is as bad as not loving chocolate ice cream.

  • you attributed a quote to me that I simply did not make...I never mentioned or use the word "gross"..God gave us free will to choose Right and Wrong.People were not made to murder others, yet they do...are you saying that because murder exists, it should be acceptable?

  • Again you fail to show how being gay is inherently bad, it's because you got nothing on it, you just don't like it.

  • I can't show the drug dealer why drug dealing is bad either? I can't show the alcoholic why alcohol is bad, I can't show the glutton why overeating is bad...people who live these lifestyles never see the harm in them until its too late...Homosexuals are the same way..You will never see it, because you don't want to!!

  • Yet again you fail to show how being gay is bad, your going in circle's. If don't like it fine, if you want to teach your children bigotry fine, but unless you have proof that being gay is inherently bad STFU.

  • How does homosexuality harm people?

    Other than, those homophobic fucktards who live down the street will beat the shit out of you!

    It's just two people who love each other and want to be together! Why do you care so much, because it's got nothing to do with you!

    I don't care who your shagging every night, because it doesn't concern me!

  • it robs people of their moral and ethical fiber...and you're right, if your shagging you're boyfriend every night and twice on Sundays, it doesn't harm me.....JUST don't ask me to accept that as normal behavior that's all...its an unnatural sin that shouldn't be made out to be normal...

  • Right, but it doesn't harm you!

    It's none of your buisness!

    Moral Ethical Fibre? Give me a Break!

    FYI I'm not gay, you're just naturally assuming things!

    Calling things that you don't understand a sin is ignorant! And all of the mankinds problems stem from ignorance, not sin!

  • ignorance is a sin...and if you're defending an action, than to me, you're actually worse than the person sinning...at least we can attribute his/her deviant behavior to pure ignorance, but you are worse, because you let someone else's transgressions affect your ability to think...you claim i don't understand?? I don't need to understand a Heroin addict to know that's a sin..Am I also ignorant, if i don't understand why a drug abuser does he he/she does...

  • Loving is not a sin! Sin is a concept sold to dumbass people who can't decide for themselves what's right and wrong!

    If two people love each other, should they try to change who they are because someone out there doesn't like it?

    In the past it was likely that two people of different races couldn't get married, but times change! This is the 21st Century, not the 12th!

  • I agree..Loving is NOT a sin...Loving a child or even an animal is not a sin either...there are different levels of love..in the case of a child or an animal, when you take the love for them too far, it quickly becomes deviant behavior..Like I said previously, the way a man and a woman expresses their love (physically) for one another is natural...its not natural for one to express that love in the same way to a child or an animal..

  • The difference is a child or animal doesn't get a say in it! And that's a completely different kind of love anyway!

    We're talking about two people who want to express their love for each other in whatever way they want, and they should have the right to do so!

    I know you want to teach kids that it's wrong, but kids are gonna do whatever the hell they want anyway!

    If it was my kids, I wouldn't care who they're doing it with, as long as they're of legal age and use protection!

  • well that's cool for your children, but I would rather not have my child partaking in deviant behavior...of any kind...and your "kids will do whatever they want anyway" is true, but the reason for that, is because people like yourself who constantly tell people that any type of behavior is ok as long as you're of age...

  • Ya know, it amazes me that for someone whos username is BLacksAreBeautiful, how you can be so intolerant!

    If you are so against Same-Sex Marriage, then don't marry somebody of the same sex, get on with you life, and let people get on with theirs!

    It is insane that you are so obsessed with something that doesn't affect you!

    I've had enough of talking about this crap, i've got better things to do!

  • this is not an obsession for me.you sent me a comment and i simply replied..You obviously did that based on the comments I wrote earlier.but guess what...that discussion started the same way, just a random person sending me a random reply..Don't confuse my willingness to defend my position as an obsession, because I don't have an issue if you or anyone chooses to take part in deviant behavior, that's cool with me, but please don't force me to accept it as normal behavior when I know better..

  • It was not so long ago that people in this country could not tolerate marriage between African Americans and white people because of the "deviant behavior of the male Negro"

  • Yes, but that wasn't based on anything scientifically sound...that opinion was formed from a racist, reprobate mind, especially considering that there was no more or less deviance among white men...some would argue that white men were more deviant..but the fact is a Black man and White woman from a scientific and natural standpoint, are made to relate to each other that way.

  • So are you using the bible or science.

  • I'm actually done with this discussion since its actually pointless..I thank you for keeping it civil and respectful...I respect your viewpoint, but vehemently disagree...

  • Are you are comparing the love one adult has for another to child molesters and bestiality

  • No...what I'm saying is, that a sin is a sin...there are no different degrees of sin...they are all rebellious acts towards God.

  • Being gay is a normal behavior, you aren't gay so it's no surprise you don't like it, you are straight good for you I am not, so don't tell me how to live, when we say gay marriage we don't say ban heterosexual marriage we say equal right's for all not gay right's, but human right's.

  • Mob Rule does not make things ok. This Country was founded as a Republic first and foremost with democratic abilities. Mob Rule is the ideals of sick minded people. Go on your fucking witch hunt you dumb mother fucker. Better yet go talk shit in a black community. I bet your ass will rethink the mob rule mentality real quick. Live and let live asshole. However if you don't let live I hope someone cuts your fucking throat.

    With Love,

    ~Void~

  • apparently you did not understand the sarcasm in my post as to how hypocritical the mob rule mentality is..I was only warning that these fools who keep chanting majority rules are gonna be in for a shock when they are no longer the majority..that's all..

  • putting aside momentarily the hypocrisy i see when a black person judges me before knowing me, and discriminates against me because i am gay, it upsets me more that it's done under a religion that was forced upon their enslaved ancestors, violently and inhumanely removed from their families and faiths...i just saw Amistad, there is NOTHING good that came of slavery...NOTHING.

  • Okay then, answer this. If God created us all perfectly, then why is there any such thing as gayness? Was it him that fucked up, or are you going to try to blame it on humanity on a whole again?

  • who said God created us perfectly???? he DID not create us to be perfect, that's why are allowed to choose good as well as evil..God is not capable of making this choice...He couldn't sin even if he wanted to, that's what makes him a perfect being...

  • Well, since we are not perfect, there is gayness. End of story. We're not perfect, no one is. There's good and bad to humanity, and that's why there's freedom, to have the ability to choose. Now you.. you're very closed minded, all Christian's are. That's why I abandoned that religion. I hope you think about our talk, and have a nice life. Or you can toss and turn in your sleep, this will work to.

  • yeah, but you seem to be very unclear on something, just because you have a right to choose, doesn't mean every choice is the right one...your choice is between right and wrong/good and evil....homosexuality in this case is wrong/evil...secondly, I'm not a christian, and thirdly I'm not sure why you believe your words would have me tossing and turning in my sleep..lol...silliest thing i have heard in a very long time...

  • uhuh suure... So please tell me why homosexuality is 'evil' then?What is 'evil about it'? Why should this one group of society not be able to find love?I have yet to hear a response other than 'because god says so' or because its 'un natural'...Both are utterly ridiculous. The word natural means occuring in nature...and homosexuality is well documented in nature, so it IS natural. It hurts no one, so why is it evil other than because you are a bigot?

  • in about 10 years time i suspect the people saying gay marriage is evil will be looked down upon with the same kind of contempt as those who said the same thing about interracial marriage (which was illegal up until the late 60's in America and this stance was supported by the same kind of bible bashing morons who are against gay marriage today, they are using the exact same arguments, 'it is a crime against god', it is 'unnatrual'). Wake up you fool.

  • just because people start to look at others with contempt doesn't make it right with God..You see, the real fool is one, who thinks humans were made to follow there own laws and not the laws of the creator...if you believe in God, then you would also have to believe that when he created us, he told us what and what not to do...if you don't believe in God (which sounds like the case) then you then believe that Man is better equipped to make his own laws..its you who should wake up!!

  • Way to completely avoid EVERY point I just made and go off on a completely nonsensical tangent.. What on earth do you think your comment there answers exactly?!

    'if you believe in God, then you would also have to believe that when he created us, he told us what and what not to do'

    No, not necessarily, that is just Christianity (which you claimed you were not) and it has no bearing whatsoever on the points i made to you. Once again, why is gay marriage evil?Oh and which religion are you from?

  • Blacksarebeautiful that may just be the single stupidest reply to a comment I have ever stumbled across on youtube... When writing that did you honestly think you were adressing any of the points that other dude made? Not only does it not adress his/her points but it makes no sense at all...

    Surely the real fool is the one who believes there is an invisible man in the sky who they know intimately despite the thousands of other religions out there with the exact same credentials. ...

  • Who said i believed in some invisible man in the sky? And what bearing should what someone else believes, have on me and my belief? And why is it that just because you don't believe in a higher power, I"m the fool? Actually you're the one who makes no sense, which is not surprising when you consider, you think homosexuality is actually normal behavior. I'm not sure what "other dude" you are referring to, since I have gone back and forth with at least 6 homo lovers like you in this forum.

  • Hah, this one is even more moronic than the last!

    'Who said i believed in some invisible man in the sky'

    You did... You are a fool for completely ignoring every point Chrissychichi made, and instead going on a nonsensical tangent. If you say homosexuality is evil, but cannot explain why, then you are a fucking idiot..it is that simple. So far the only reasons you have given are because God says so (i am curious to know which god it is you worship), and because it is not normal...

  • Something not being normal does not necessarily make it evil...51% of Americans do not believe in evolution...thus believing in evolution would make you an abnormal American, does it make you evil too?

    As has been stated already, homosexuality IS natural as it occurs in nature, it is of course not as common as hetrosexuality but what difference does that make? Why is it evil when it hurts nobody??

  • As a final point I suspect I do not need to point out the irony in you referring to people defending gay rights as 'homo lovers'

    . Bearing in mind your profile contains videos of white supremacy conspiracy theories and such...people used to reffer to white people standing up for black rights as 'N**er lovers'. It further cements Chrissychichi's comparison of you with the racist religious nutters who made it illegal for blacks to marry whites up until the late 1960's.

    THAT is why you are a fool

  • White people made marrying blacks illegal, God made same sex marriage a sin...There is hardly no comparison to what a white supremacist mind and the purified mind of God, considers laws...White men always have and always will make laws with white supremacy in his heart, God won't...again, just because you believe in sin and I don't, doesn't make me a fool...

  • The people who made interracial marriage illegal ALSO said they had a purified mind of God, THEY thought god was on their side on that matter just as you do now. Same goes for the abolition of slavery, the bible does not condemn slavery, on the contrary it positively encourages it with God giving out instructions on which people it is acceptable to enslave and how hard you may beat them (as hard as you like as long as they do not die within two days according to him).

  • Oh and white men most certainly do not ALWAYS make laws with white supremacy in their heart. I dont think I need to explain the stupidity of that comment.

    Believing in God (an invisible man in the sky) to the point where you declare homosexuals evil because it is what you 'know' God thinks IS stupid and DOES make you a fool.

    All studies (including those by CHRISTIAN organisations) have shown that with increasing education religious belief decreases, hence of the National academy of sciences

  • 93% have no belief in God. So statistically speaking, yes believing in God does make you more likely to be a fool than someone who does not believe in God.

    How old do you think the earth is by the way? Oh and do you think dinosaur fossils were planted by the devil to make man believe that the bible was full of shit? I am curious to see how far down the rabbit hole you have gone..

  • So by your logic, if the MAJORITY believes in something, then its an actual fact??? lol...And of course, there is no way I can accept your made up stat of 93%...You should stick to just calling me a fool rather than sounding like one....lol...

    and let me ask...if 93% believes in bestiality, will that make it legitimate?... you are applying upside logic to this whole thing, but considering the fact that you have conditioned your mind to accept an unnatural act as natural, i'm not surprised!

  • Please tell me you are joking with that comment..No single person can actually be that stupid.. Reread what I wrote, i most certainly was NOT saying that the majority of a population believing something makes it right, as I previously stated the majority of Americans do not believe in evolution..that does not make them right, just morons.

  • you said because 93% of people DON't believe in God, then statistically speaking, anyone who does can be considered a fool...you didn't use any other criteria other than the fact that 93% of the population doesn't...and now you claim, that you weren't trying to use that bogus stat to support your claim?...you are truly a mixed up individual...apparently in more ways than one...

  • however if you look at those people who believe in creatonism over evolution you will notice that the overwhelming majority have a very poor standard of education.

    The National Academy of sciences on the other hand are considered to be amoungst the worlds top scientsts...these are very well educated men. The only thing which seperates them from the rest of America is their education..so when you look at statistics which say 70% of Americans believe in God, but 93% of the most educated Americans

  • do not, what does that make you think exactly? That education leads to a lack of belief in God..education tends to be a good thing.

    The fact that the more people know about nature and the way the world works leads to them not believing in God wheras those who know nothing about it leads to them believing in it is indeed VERY telling.

  • As to your ridiculous suggestion that I made up those statistics feel free to google them.

    Oh and homosexuality DOES occur in nature therefore by definition it MUST be natural..there really is no arguing with that..

  • Homosexuality is NOT natural...most homosexual men engage in anal sex...its the only way they can have sex...Sex has two functions, it was created to give man pleasure AND for procreation...The anus wasn't made for sex and since no man can become pregnant, your "natural" claim is pure trash and wishful thinking on your part!

  • homosexuality is unnatural. and ungodly. take first corinthians 6:9-11 for example. "...no homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God."

    also, agreed to BlacksAreBeautiful, sex was meant for reproduction, and a man cant have a baby...let alone, out of his butt.

    end of story.