Dressage-I Werth & Satchmo WEG 06 GPS

[Bettybouablegful]

zzich bin heute richtig gut bei laune wer will mit mir chatn oder telen

[amo98bab]

Mir tun Ankys Pferde auch leid, aber wie gesagt mir tun Isabells Pferde auch leid, denn es geht ihr nicht um die Pferde, sondern nur ums gewinnen, wie jedem anderen Reiter auch und da ist sie nicht besser wie Anky...

[MiSSTOTALLY]

aber trozdem sowas wie totilas gibt es nicht! das ist alles mit unschönen mitteln erzwungen worden!

[amo98bab]

Glaub mit ich weiß das und zwar aus hundertprozentig sicherer Quelle.

Ich bin kein Fan von Holland, ich finde nur die Pferde toll.

Ich bin weder Fan von Holland noch Deutschland, denn die Reiter sind mir recht egal. Totilas ist einfach ein tolles Pferd!!

[amo98bab]

So und jetzt beenden wir dieses Thema. Es gibt leider in jeder Nation solche und solche Reiter und wir können nur schauen, daß wir selber es besser machen und uns gegen Tierquälerei im Pferdesport wehren und das fängt schon in den eigenen Ställen an. Ich find das viel wichtiger als die ständige Disskutiererei um Isabell Werth und Co

[MiSSTOTALLY]

ach ja woher weißt du denn das?? isabell reitet keine rollkur... das wüsste ich..ich kenne sie besser als du denkst..also mir ist es egal wenn du fan von holland bist mein gott..mir tun halt die pferd leid vorllem ankys..

[amo98bab]

und ob dus glaubst oder nicht Isabell reitet Rollkur und das jeden Tag, denn sie ist eine knallharte Profireiterin und ganz sicher nicht die humanste Reiterin aber glaub was du willst, wäre sie keine Deutsche würdest du anders reden, aber die Deutschen sind ja die größten aber auch nur was ihre Klappe betrifft. Mir tun die Pferde bei Isabell genauso leid wie bei Anky!!!!

[amo98bab]

Mit zweierlei Maß messen ist einfach, oder?

Ich sag da nichts mehr dazu...warst du beim Training von Totilas dabei, weil du ja sooooo genau weißt, wie er trainiert wird? Ich habe nie gesagt, daß ich diese Methoden toll finde, im Gegenteil, ich verabscheue solche Methoden. Trotzdem finde ich, man sollte der Wahrheit ins Gesicht sehen und auch sich eingestehen, daß es nicht nur die Holländer sind, welche ihre Pferde maltretieren.

[amo98bab]

Ihr seid ja nur angefressen weil die Holländer den Deutschen den Rang ablaufen...

Die Pferde der deutschen Dressurreiter leiden genauso viel wie die der Holländer, leider und wehm das nicht einleuchten mag, der sollte sich lieber keiner dieser Videos anschauen.

[MiSSTOTALLY]

keiner ist perfekt man was hast du für ne einstellung aber du hackst doch nur auf den deutschen rum! es bleibt dabei das die holländer nicht nur käse rollen mal vorsichtig ausgerückt! und es ist 10 mal schlimmer was die mit die pferde machen..wenn man sein pferd mit storm bearbeitet (matine)..oder marionetten training ( totilas) ist das reiten? nein

[amo98bab]

Ja ich weiß Isabell ist perfekt, macht allses richtig und behandelt ihre Pferde wie das Kostbarste auf Erden. Hey wacht auf, auch eure geliebte Isabell reitet Rollkur und das jeden Tag und nicht nur das, sie dopt ihre Pferde im Turniersport, was sicher sehr von Vorteil ist. Glaubt was ihr wollt, aber die Deutschen sind gernauso schlimm wie die Holländer, die Tainingsmethoden sind absolut die gleichen und absolut nicht die harmloseren, aber träumt weiter von der heilen deutschen Dresssurelite

[MiSSTOTALLY]

wenn man solchen leuten auch noch recht gibt ahh das tut einem im herz weh isabell ist nicht perfekt weil es keiner ist...du bist ja perfekt !??!

[amo98bab]

Ja stimmt mit Isabell waren die Zeiten noch in Ordnung, da wurde gedopt, was das Zeug hält und ja, träum weiter, denn so ein Pferd wie Moorlands Totilas, wird Isabell nie reiten

[MiSSTOTALLY]

ja genau totilas ist ein rollkur pferd! isabell ist die einzige und beste reiterin...holland rollt nicht nur käse ;D satchmo bleibt und ist das beste pferd! totilas wird nur hergezerrt alles mit gewalt gemacht! und isabell hat nie gedopt würde sie sich gar nicht erlauben geschweigeden getraut! wer ist schon ein fan von akny helgstrand und gal? es ist einfach schlimm wenn man sowas übersieht wie die pferde gedriest werden!

[MiSSTOTALLY]

hat man ja schon bei helgstrand..matine gesehen.. wie unatürlich kann ein pferd laufen? die ham se zu hunder mit strom bearbeitet das pferd war eine jahr da und wo ist es jetzt? sowas ist einfach schlimm wie kann man ein pferd so kaputt machen! sie wird auch einen totilas nie reiten weil sie kein pferd mit strom.. weiß was ich driedst...sowas unatürliches sieht man selten halt rollkur pur! was man auch schon am schirtt sieht bei totilas schirtt kannste wegschmeisen wie bei anky ! rollkur!

[MiSSTOTALLY]

und du hast recht isabell wird so ein pferd auch nie reiten weil sie ihre pferde nicht schändet! ein pferd kann nicht über die senkrechte piaffieren sowas gibt es nicht das wurde alles mit marionetten training erzielt! was isabell geschafft hat wird keine nachmachen ist die beste dressur reiterin und sie bleibt es! mekerer bleibt in euren ecken!

[MiSSTOTALLY]

echt klasse mit isabell waren die zeiten noch klasse aber leider is se ja schwanger..jetzt ist Dl nicht mehr so toll aber was solls es kommt wieder ein kracher der hoffentlicht holland von der spitze bringt ;D

[MalibuSaufa]

des war echt die beste kür seitlangem auch in den piaffen da wo er so seine probleme hat total geil einfach !

[freibergerchen]

da würd ich mal sagen da ist nicht das Pferd schuld. Häufig liegt es an den Reitern auch ein Frau werth kann mal was falsch machen

[MalibuSaufa]

ja aber ein pferd kann auch mal einen schlechten tag haben! und da veruscht der reiter das beste rauszuholen!

[fabulousJanine]

does anyone know what the music is in the background when they do the canter work near the end

[JuulHaa]

Wat lult die vent nou de hele tijd >:(

[FairyThale]

OMG, I just wish those guys could shut up... I could barely hear the music!>:(

[love0jacke040ever]

this wasn't the Kür on music, it was just the grand prix special and the music that you hear was just some background music.

[Jaccko14]

But i must sy this background music is really good. If it was turned into a kurr i recon it would be awesome

[Minga90ame]

the music is good, I wonder whats the name of it? Ive heard anky ride to it on painted.

[Jaccko14]

yep, the people (dont know who) make it so that people dont get bored watching the test

[Minga90ame]

HAHA I would never be bored :) HHAHA :) but I get it, they do a great job those people.

[Jaccko14]

amanda - I read somewhere that it was victor and cees that made all the music for 2006 WEG

[LoveZeStrokes]

I love those flying changes

[Jaccko14]

i love the punch she does at the end, and ho the crowd erupted into absolute Joy! that was a blaster of a test! go isabell

[Minga90ame]

Do isabel do rolllkur? I've just read that she does and I was so surprised! all this critizism from the germans on anky and then their own "star" do it! HA HA what a shame.

[MsMotty]

Isobel rides a form of rollkur which she claims is more correct than everyone elses, as does Anky and everyone else who uses the exercise. Everyone's version of an exercise is the best in their opinion.

[Minga90ame]

correct.

[Jaccko14]

MsMotty- i agree, every rider that uses rollkur thinks they do it correctly. I do say that no harm is done if the horse isnt pulled to far back to its chest. When the poll ends up vertical to the ground, thats when i think its taken way to far

[MsMotty]

I do find it strange that the Germans moan about riders using rollkur, especially when it was the Germans who statred using it before the likes of Anky.

[Jaccko14]

Msmotty - i agree, I think because the Germans have always lead the way in dressage they got cut when riders from Europe came over and started winning all the big competitions. I wonder if anky and isabell talk, or if they get along?

[Minga90ame]

I think they do talk, but wondering if they get along?

[MsMotty]

I remember something in a magazine about 1996 where they claimed they were friends. but of course, once the bell goes you have no friends, only rivals.

[Jaccko14]

what do you mean by once the bell goes?

[MsMotty]

When the bell is rung to start the test. Then you have to be completely focused on what you are doing, on getting the best from your horse so that you can get a good score.

[Jaccko14]

ohh ok i get what you mean

[Minga90ame]

sound correct.

[Jaccko14]

LOL HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!! i agree minga90ame!

Isabell uses rollkur and so do alot of top riders. And yes i agree everyone bitches about anky so much using rollkur. and especially the germans. I find it very funny that one of their own uses rollkur as well!!! it obviously works and gets results. I don't use rollkur but I'm not going to complain about it.

[Jaccko14]

divinelnfection - this is not a kur, it is the grandprix special (individual) competition. The music you hear is just background music. The riders got no choice to what background music was played.

[flofloke1]

mooi, maar die hollander moet zwijgen!

[Jaccko14]

Its like blue horse matine. She is only nine and you can see it. Her transitions arnt very good and i believe she will only get better with age. I think these GP riders are bringing there horses up too fast. The horses are not going to reach there fall potential until there around the age of 14, in my opinion. But they are doing a great job and they look after their horses, so im not putting them down in any way.

[MsMotty]

It is true that some horses are brought through the levels very quickly. I think it is more to do with the amount of money spent on horses these days. As an owner, if you have just spent the price of a large house on a horse you want it out there competing as high as possible, earning your money back.

[Jaccko14]

Yer, I really like the way you explain yourself, thanks

[Jaccko14]

Why, how old is he? hes a very very nice horse though. I remember reading about how he used to go into the arena and rear up at X or something lol.

[MsMotty]

He's 13 now. They put him GP at nine, and Isoble says that, with hindsight, it wasn't the best decision as he wasn't ready mentaly for the step up. Hence the time spent on his hindlegs in 2004 and the imminent criticism of Isobel's riding, which had nothing to do with it.

[Jaccko14]

Lol you too arguing about jan brink lol. hes a good rider but the horse needs a better engine, a better hind quarters! maybe too much arab in him

[Sabley]

the announcers need to shut the hell up.

[Jaccko14]

Out of all the horses isabell rides, satchmo has to be the best of all of them

[MsMotty]

He really has turned out well for Isobel, after he was rushed into this level in 2003, he lost his way a little, but everything came good for her in the end.

[PSIrule]

Minga90ame, I have seen MsMotty riding first hand and I can tell you that there is no one better at riding a GP test in the world. I have trained with her 7 years ago, and was envious of her GP horse, Stravinsky, who she only competed lightly, to ensure that he was never overworked. She knows what she is talking about.

[Minga90ame]

well I know what im talking about to, please try to mind your own buisness

[Minga90ame]

second of all, if she was the best in the world riding a GP why do she not have a gold medal som where? PSLRULE?

[PSIrule]

Because, her national team decided that Stravinsky was not a proper dressage horse, no matter that he had proved himself many times already against brilliant horses at that level. Also she had bad health problems which forced her to stop riding as often as she would have liked.

[PSIrule]

Now she has recovered some of her health and has a good horse at PSG level, who she is hoping to bring on along with another 2 youngsters. I am hoping to go and train with her again at some point this year so that I can improve on my own riding and get the best out of my horse.

[MsMotty]

I do not have a gold medal hidden somewhere because in Britain it is often the case that horses without correct dressage breeding and training are over-looked in favour of those that meet the criteria. I would not say that I have ever been the best in the world at riding a GP, so discard PSIRule's comment.

[Minga90ame]

not a proper dressage horse? hmm I don't get it really..once I trained for jan brink, that was really nice since he has some medal to show his potential of riding. Don't you dare say something bad about jan since britains dressage riders insn't the best either.

[MsMotty]

Not a proper dressage horse in that he was not by a dressage stallion, out of a dressage mare. It is not my policy to follow set guidelines when training a horse, rather I do what I think suits the horse at that time, which the selectors don't like. We have some good riders in Britain, but the training facilities available are rubbish, and owners are reluctant to spend good money on horses.

[MsMotty]

I can make an average horse look good, if it has the right rider on it's back, but I cannot perform miracles, no one can. I rate Jan Brink as a rider, he is very good at getting the most out of his horses. I rate most riders who have done training with Kyra Kirkland, and actually take in what they are taught. Those that ignore their training I have no time for, no matter what they achieve in their career.

[MsMotty]

Please do not throw it in my face that I do not have a medal to show for all my hard work. A medal does not make a good rider. You can be the worst rider in the world, but if the team you ride for wins a medal that is forgotten.

[Minga90ame]

no it isn't, but how do I know that you even can ride? Im leaving this discussion now, not I single more comment Im not getting anything out of it. Bye

[Minga90ame]

I think anky should have won :(

[MsMotty]

Why should Anky have won the Grand Prix special? Because Salinero looks more powerful, or seems to bounce higher from the ground? No, Anky shouldn't have won this class.

[Minga90ame]

I think anky should have won because salinero is better in the piaff (satchmo head isn't still at all) during the first to piaffs and passage his head is a lot behind were it should be! Anky's ridning is more comfortable to watch also.

[MsMotty]

I will let you in on a little secret. What Satchmo is showing is true cadence. There is nothing artificial or showy about his way of going, the same with all of Isobel's horses. What you see with Salinero is artificial cadence. He has been trained to be more showy, this shows in tha fact that his head doesn't move - he is tense as a result of his training.

[Minga90ame]

well thats what I thougt, you are one of those how think isabell should won cuz anky is using rollkur, suprise for you the judgers have to judge what the see in the ring.But isabell has to win something since anky is the queen of the kür. Don't tell me how anky is training her horses! like you know everything about it, sure isabell rides very good, but don't you dare tell me anky is worse, I've seen her on so many clinics that I know what she is perfornmng in the ring is pure magic!

[MsMotty]

I am not against Anky for her use of roll kur, even though it is an extreme form that she uses. If that were the case, there would not be many dressage riders that I like. What I do not like to see is training exercises that are used to encourage a horse to make over-exagerent movements, this is not what dressage is about. Horses are more often marked on how showy a movement is, not how technically correct it is, which they are supposed to be marked on.

[MsMotty]

Furthermore, I use roll kur myself, but a less extreme form that I was taught during my showjumping training. Most people in dressage would not recognise the form of this exercise that I use because the neck is only just slightly over-bent, to encourage relaxation. It is the same form that is used by many showjumpers. Check out Franke Sloothaake in the ring and how he rides his horses to a fence, and you will see what I mean. There is no tension in his horse at any time.

[Minga90ame]

But still, I can not understand what's wrong with ankys preformance? I mean you have to admit tha satchmo is behind the lod in the first piafss and pasage? but you know isabell needs some supporters too, and anky needs hers :) so lets just drop this and cheer for our champions?

[MsMotty]

I do not support any one rider, rather I champion horses that are trained to be correct in their movements rather than showy. If a horse is both correct in the movement it has just performed - irregardless of where it's head is, as we can not control everything about the horse, and happens to be showy at the same time then all the better for dressage as a whole. I can not stand the sight of badly trained, showy horses dominating this beautiful sport as it achieves nothing in the long term.

[MsMotty]

Salinero doesnot show any lengthening or shortening of his frame throughout the test. His hind legs do not come fully under him in his collected work, and his half-passes sometimes give the impression that he is only bending through the neck rather than with his whole body. I have a video of an absolutely amazing horse, seemingly forgotten today, who if he had lived, would have made the likes of Salinero look like complete novices.

[Minga90ame]

satchmos. You seme like a very sad person, maybe you should try to enjoy theses amazing horses in stead of judge them,

[Minga90ame]

I cant belive that you're saying that salinero whos scores almost 87% at dressage does anythinf wrong! I don't think I can disguss anything with you anymore after that comment! But i'm looking forrward to see you ride, you must be really good (?) if you don't think salineros collected work is good (he gets score 8-9)I would like to see yours, and if salineros collecting is bad, we can not even talk about

[Sabley]

oh my god the announcers need to shut up. i like hearing the music.

[DrTstikler]

Wonderfull! anyone who knows wich music it is ?

[MsMotty]

It the Grand Prix Special, so the riders don't actually choose the music. It's just there to try and ease the fact that each horse is performing the same test and adds to audience enjoyment.

[MsMotty]

Isabell Werth isn't all that long in the leg, and so to compensate, she brings her legs further back than some other riders in exercises like passage and flying changes. If she didn't do this, there is a chance that the horse would be unsure exactly what it was being asked to do.

[Minga90ame]

Not that I could do it better, but doesn't she keep her legs kind of long back in the passage?

[amazone0071]

Oh man ihr feingefühl ist einfach unverkennbar! Sehr schön.

[MsMotty]

Ausgezeichnet!

[xPrince4eveRx]

sie ist und bleibt die beste!und er ja sowieso!