@buidseach so was the Horten test where done years after by nasa based on the plans aquired after the war. it was build with a basic plywood inlaying.
@vonLubrich1 - not so much. Nasa did not "test" a Horten because no flyable model existed, and the one damaged prototype (HoIXv3) that was brought to america never flew.
Some Grumman model builders put together a V3 mock-up for a documentary a few years back and shot modern radar "tuned" to mimic the UK's home net frequency in 45 and they said it was less visible than the average fighter.
But sorry, no stealth, even the hortens never made that claim until after the B2 was announced...
@vonLubrich1 That is entirely correct. The OPE08 and Kirel1942 characters are simply American jingoists. I've taken OPE08 through this in detail with the full references and he's just a DENIER.
Wir sind auch immernoch führend in punkto Waffentechnologie. Wären da nicht die Amys die meinten den gehörten alles. Mich würd es nicht wundern, wenn wir Deutschen eine neue Antriebstechnologie erforschen, und aufeinmal die Amys vor meiner Haustür ständen.
It is either misleading or ignorant to call this "the prototype of the stealth." Have any of you people ever heard of Jack Northrop, who produced workable flying wings years before the much ballyhooed Horten? In fact, interest in the flying wing configuration was widespread well before World War 2. Northrop's XB-35, 15 times larger than the Horten, was in advanced design during the war and flew in 1946. It had good stealth qualities as well and that is the real origin of the B-2.
About the Horten Ho IX, a stealth similar bomberplane with jet engines, the first one actually leaving the drawing-board for the skies, and about other German phantoms of the air towards the end of the war.
@erdkampfnuss - Sorry, Northrop started the Avion Corporation in 1927 and flew his first powered prototype in 1929, simply named the "1929 Prototype". Avion was bought out and the project cancelled right after the wind-tunnel tests before a production prototype could be built.
There is no evidence that anything from the single remaining HoIXv3 prototype fighter had anything to do with the B2, obviously its line is N9M-XB35-YB49-B2...
@OPE08 OPE, By now you KNOW better. I took you through the ENTIRE UNBROKEN record of the path that led from the Horton glider, and then the Horton 229 and Horton IX V3 that led to the B2, including the fingings of the Northrup-Grumman people themselves.
You DISHONOUR the Hortons, Jack Northrup and Northrup Grumman by twisted away from the evident FULL TRUTH. Nobody denies the American aspects of the B2 and Northrup's contribution but you are LYING and YOU KNOW THAT.
@Kirel1942 Your right,in fact, Jack Northrop was invited to see a sneek peek,of the B2,right before his death.I'm guessing that it was fly by wire technology that made both the Horton's and Jack's designs worth building.Just my 2 cents
@inagod - the hortens never had fly-by-wire technology, their small fighter simply suffered from the yaw issue less than a bomber does. You'll notice that the N1M and N9M both flew wonderfully, and that was in 1940 LONG before fly-by-wire...
@Kirel1942 its common knowledge that Allies heavily borrowed old German technology, Northrop's I think it killed two pilots so they scrapped it, were as this one flew, you still probably believe one of the greatest lies, that Orville and Wilbur were the first to fly even though in 1985 the Smithsonian released that they were not the first, Why don't you look at Yunkers models,Kurt tank, Ernst Heinkel try early 1912-1929, so i agree there was other wings, but none worked as well same with cars
@MrBritdog2 - if it is common knowledge, then perhaps you can provide some examples?
The Northrop XB35 was discontinued in favor of the YB49, the YB49 was not chosen by the US Army in favor of the B36, simply because of political reasons, not because of the crash that killed a YB49 test crew. The HoIXv3 prototype crashed and killed its test pilot too.
The Wrights were the first to have successful controlled flight, and repeated the feat, other pilots simply were not as successfull.
@MrBritdog2 It killed 5 in a flying with with prop power. It was a respectable effort, and the US probably should have moved more quickly, but they canceled the program. The German ingenuity and inventiveness is really an inbuilt feature of German culture (and the national support is criticism -- including self-criticism). Building a "better" model is SO "German". The American is build a "sexier looking" one for mass marketing first. Its a cultural thing.
@Kirel1942 Your information is GROSSLY INCORRECT: .
1. FIRST, the early Northrup wings NEVER managed to fly "tailless" That was first accomplished in the early 30's by the Horton gliders.
2. SECOND, the Horton IV flew stably with twin-prop power at Darmstadt in 1937 andRudy Opitz and Hannah Reitsch, (the German version of Amelia Erhardt) flew it. (more)
3 THIRD: Third the commission received by Northrup was expressly based on the Horton glider design (because they had worked out the equations for staility of tailless flight. 4. FOURTH the Horton 229 in 1944 flew with its lower powered jet engines at at over 560 mph and WAS stealth as the Northrun-Grumman rebuilding actually demonstrated.
4. FOURTH: the Horton 229 in 1945 flew with its lower powered jet engines at at over 560 mph.
@Kirel1942 5. FIFTH: The plane was expressly designed to fly at the British radar along the UK coast, and knock it out and the IX was designed to be "stealth" in materials as well as shape. The materials and paint were tested for that. The Northrup-Grumman team confirmed it.
6. Taking away nothing from the US achievement, you statement is one born of IGNORANCE, and is disrepectful of the Hortons, Jack Northrup, Northrup Grumman and the TRUTH.
@Kirel1942 I totally agree. The Germans had many technological accomplishments during WWII, but to attribute the B2 to WWII German technology is an attempt to rewrite history. I hope that all of the readers here also realize the the Germans studied American Robert Godards rocket research in the 20's which they then built on to develop the V2 rocket.
@Kirel1942 I think it is brilliant when people have such expert knowledge that they can confidently correct widespread misconceptions with accurate information. However, frustrating as it must be to read a post made in ignorance by a naive enthusiast, I find it undermines the intelligence of the expert when they write in an arrogant, condescending or patronising manner. Kudos for your knowledge on the origin of stealth aircraft.
@parthian111 Completely untrue! Northrup never succeeded with the "tailless" wing in stable flight until the commission that was based on the Horton glider. By then the Germans had a dual propo flying (1937) . In 1942 the Luftwaffe got on board and by late 1944 the main bugs were were worked out. The Horton 229 was the breakthrough and the Horton IX V2 flew with the Ju jets at 560 mph beatifully according to pilot Ziller. It was built to be stealth!!!!
Müssen Producers von solchen Documentaries immer Hakenkreuze überall platzieren? So weit ich weiss, hat dieses Fliugzeug ja gar kein Hakenkreuz als Hoheitzeichen gehabt da es gar kein Seitenruder hatte. Naja....übrigen die Arado Ar 234 kam doch zum Einsatz. Beim KG 76 waren 132 Ar 234 zugewiesen.
Perhaps Germans will someday do their own research about their own history and not just synchronize and rebroacast these interesting but at times factual incorrect documentaries et al....
To suggest that the Horten could take out a Spitfire is just plane daft. There is no way it could have out turned a Spit. Yes the Germans were experimentimg with all sorts of aircraft but so were the allies. Many of the projects were axed in 45/46 as technology moved on and requirements changed.
@tpsossff Actually flying model could not only outrace the Spitfire by a HUGE amount, but is was MORE manouverable and could definitely outurn. the probem was G-forces and pilots blacking out, so that's why the invented the pressure suit and helmet showin on rudy Optiz in the test versions.
Germany and Japan were doomed the moment USA decided to join the war in 1941. Actually Germany had lost the war the moment it lost the Battle Of Kursk. German engineering is of the finest category. But something more than overhyped super-weapons is needed to turn the course of war. That's why the prototype is in an American museum.
If I recall, the Horten kids were in an aircraft model designing club at their school. The program was well run and the kids got lots of expert guidance. ie, focus on minimizing surface resistances. So they pushed the idea to it's ultimate conclusion... Why not?! It was fun and they got credit for it regardless! Their "breakthrough" glider model worked... they had crossed the line on established thinking. -Important people were contacted. Meanwhile, the boys built a larger prototype...
Americans dident have shit those russian had 10 million soilders fighting germany in WW2 in WW2 dumb ass those jets could of hold about 10 nukes and Americans could only hold 1 germany quit becuase of russia killed half of germanys army HALF and yes jets could of change the war they were fast too they should of attack usa with there nukes 10 NUKES dumb ass hell "If you are saying that the Jet engine would have changed the out come of the war"=Cojon3s123 YES I DO KNOW THAT GERMANY COULD OF WIN
I think the Germans will probably win as well,although strangely enough New Zealand look very good at the moment,they just had a draw against Italy....lol.
Haha Northrop didnt copy the idea from Horten they already had a working prototype called the Northrop N-9MB Flying Wing which was a counter to the Horten as well as been a 1/3 scale test "model" for the XB-35 bomber program...geez even now the Nazi propoganda machine is still trying to work!
Okay. See it this way. It is very good that Nazi Germany didn't happen like 10-15 years later, because with the nuclear bomb at their disposal it could have come to a 3 way cold war between nazi germany the us and the soviet union and just imagine this delicate situation with mad people like hitler in power. Wow. Thank god the allies defeated us before the hbomb was invented in germany aswell.
So you're saying take away the nuke and Germany would have won? This is a ludicrous notion. They were out of fuel, their factories were leveled, they had no more people draft into their military. If you are saying that the Jet engine would have changed the out come of the war, well it wouldn't have for two reasons: a) the British and the Americans had working jet prototypes b) the Jet engine engendering was too complex to mass produce from the few factories Germany had.
@Cojon3s123 IF Nazi Germany had lastet a year (or two) longer, and IF the Yanks hadn't invented the atomic bomb, THEN maybe the Allies would have agreed to some kind of truth in 1947 - MAYBE.
@toretreskjegg btw - if nürnberg would have benn captured by the americans 1week later, germany had the a-bomb - so if nazi germany would have had a year more, they would have won
Stalin would never have agreed but by 47 Germany might have had a workable bomb. Thank god it never panned out that way .... there would never have been a cold war, just a war that would have led to a nuclear exchange by 1950 at the latest.
@MsGnorts I am more inclined to believe in free will, and that it was certain choices made by German officials which lead to the downfall of Nazi Germany, rather than destiny. But their murdering innocents hs nothing to do with their defeat. The Soviets comitted some of the worst crimes against humanity, even before the war began, and they were victorious. Every political ideology has a certain lifespan, and must inevitably come to an end. Change will always overwhelm tradition.
@MsGnorts I don't agree. It was destined to die because it was expressly organized as a way of overcoming a set of unique challenges that existed from 1918 to 1933. It wasn't a long term 'sustainable' organization of political affairs (like communism didn't prove to be either).
@toretreskjegg I seriously doubt it. For one simple reason the allies and the United state in particular had done something the Nazi's never did. Logistical support en mass. That and the allie ability at innovating in ELINT compared to the Naiz ineptitude at the same(granted that is just my non-expert onpinion)
@GrigoriZhukov Millitary logistics was mastered by The German Army in the industrial age, and was an example for the modern world to follow. Rather, The US had an advandage in their distance from Europe. If the situation was reversed, and Germans had a foothold in North America, it would have been a very different war. America would have had to deal with bombardment and constant attacks, on their industry and cities, while Germany would be safe from bombers and invasion.
@GrigoriZhukov Excellent observation. The Soviet armies would NEVER have succeeded without the 450,000 US trucks. You're absolutely right. THAT was the uniquely american genius in those days. (The rest of the world has caught up in the past few decades.)
@toretreskjegg that extra year was closer than most people would think. If the D-day landings would have failed Germany would have had that extra year or two. But I can't do anything but agree there are a LOT of ''ifs''. Yet I believe Germany could have ''won''. look at the ME 262, they could have had it in production in 1943! But Hitler(lucky for the world) was an idiot:P
Germany had many good engineers, that has to be said, regardless of the crimes they helpt commit
@evildeathmonkey1 And than there was the A-BOMB available from august 1945. I think a lot of the German generals in the West knew very well about the development of the a-bomb, and that they had to bring the war at the western front into an end before summer 1945. That's one of the reasons why many of the German divisions didn't fight 100 % in the West.
@toretreskjegg yes but my piont is, how were the Americans going to deliver that A-bomb? !IF! the germans had the ME 262 in production in 1943, the Americans and British would not have been able to get air supremacy(not sure how to spell that, English isn't my native language) since they did not have any rockets at that time. Also Germany was working on its own A-bomb/dirty bomb, and did have the rocket tech to deliver it. At minimum to the UK, maybe later rockets to the east coast of the US
@evildeathmonkey1 This is full Nazi Bullshit + watch American built flying winf on Utube > "Flying Wing Northrop N1M & N1M-2 " on Utube. Northro USAp had twin engine powered flying wings that flew in 1939. The German myth that they did it first is bunch of shit. Von Brau an employee of Nasa admitted he stold designs from US Patent of Robert Goddard who launcjed the 1st liquid rocket to exceed 600 MPH. Krauts R lying copy cats trying to save face for the humiliating WW2 defeat.
@LottoWinner999 I don't see how that defeat was at all humiliating. German troops fought incredibly hard, most allied soldiers admit this. Resources were nearly depleted both in materials and men.
I find it astonising they even lasted as long as they did to the overwhelming invading force.
The holocaust was humiliating, but that's not linked to the defeat.
What I believe DOES frustrate Germans is the divide of the country after the war, and partly consequently a sort of national identity crisis.
@LottoWinner999 More completely IGNORANT and UNTRUE commentary except that (to suck up to his new employers) Werner von Braun did whisper some diplimatic niceties. Actually the Russian had managed some good progress on rocketry, and the Germans certainly used that. Northrup's first commission stated that it was to based on the Horton glider design, but then proven with dual props in 1937.
@evildeathmonkey1 Evildeath you completely discount the decisive factor. The US industrial production capacity was ENORMOUS, and the Wehrmactht would not have been able to fight its way into the then industrial heartland with armies over the seas. ONLY the Americans could do that back then.. Be reasonable. (Hitler was no "idiot". Much of what happened was inevitable, but he "gambled" when he shouldn't have. The sad part is that it could only end with "unconditional" surrender.
@Cojon3s123 Your dumb Americans dident have jets intel 1950s to 1960s and before that they were prototypes german tech was 20 years ahead of Americans what a dumbass
@alvarezlol But still the dumb Americans managed to kick the German asses in the war as well as that of the Japanese. If the Japanese warrior was a graceful Samurai and the German warrior was a biomechanical weaponized robot then the Americans were a huge ugly beast 10 times their size who tore them apart. They still influence everything in these 2 countries ranging from culture to foreign policy to system of governance.
@AgentAC001 The DID, but the system has now changed again. The first shoe fell when the Soviet empire implided, the second when the US economy was run into the swamp by George Bush. It will take YEARS for the US to be hauled out.
@Cojon3s123 You are right. Germany lost the war when Hitler chose not to go for Moscow first in 1941. After Kursk Germany had no more chance for total victory.
@barotje If the war had lasted one year longer then the Soviets would have been the winner - they'd have taken the whole of Europe, not just the east.
@barotje Guy if Germany lasts one year long. IF , we're talking a massive push by the soviets into Former French territory. To hold out ,they need MASSIVE amounts of war material AND manufactured goods to keep going. That war machine was running out of EVERYTHING mate. 14 year old boys in garrison duty. The soviets were ramping up war capacity. If they lasted another year, the Japanese had been defeated, AND they were being pushed by the full might of two world powers.
@barotje If it had lasted another year Berlin would have received the Fat man bomb not Hiroshima. I admit Germany had a clear advantage in air power, but air superiority belonged to the Allie's.
The concept was not exclusive to Germany. Northrop, and several others were working on the same concepts, to varied success. The dimensions of the B2 match the Northrop designs from the 1940's, not the Horton.
Without modern gyros and computer controls, the wing design is dangerous, simply due to it's stall characteristics.
Im Spiel IL-2 1946 habe ich die Gotha Go 229 (Horten Ho 9) geflogen... (geht ab wie Schmitt`s Katze)
Wenn diese Maschinen in größeren Mengen 1945 am Himmel über Deutschland erschienen wären, hätte das wirklich für die alliierten Flieger böse geendet...
Tut mir Leid wenn ich falsch liege, aber wir waren einst wirklich das Übervolk... beweise gibt es genug. Zumindest in sachen Militär waren wir fast jeden Feind vorraus.
Es war gute Ingenieure damals, aber leider die haben einfach Waffen und mehr Waffen gebaut...wenn die auch könnten Flugzeuge, Hubschrauber, Schiffe, Trecker für Ziviliste Benutzung und in Ausland verkaufen...
Die Amis haben gehabt Massive Produktion, Bomber mit 4 Motoren und ihre Jägen könnten von England nach Berlin hin und zurück...so die haben die Producktion nach andere Richtung orientiert!!!
@NitroCircusFanNo1 : With 1940's control system technology that thing would have terrible yaw characteristics. Totally useless as a fighter, it would just spray bullets all over the sky.
@roblekosh who said the left lost the cold war? America currently embraces socialism. It seems the left won the war and America slowly becomes the same as her enemy.
That depends on your definition of 'something'. Perhaps, if it had not have been for Germany's obsession with violence the USA today would not be burdened by the oppression of the military industrial complex.
en efecto sin la tecnologia alemana los norteamericanos no son nada pues los americanos se la copiaron o mejor dicho se la robaron como siempre han hecho
gut dass die amys die deutsche technik nur "untersucht" haben und nich hämmungslos abgekupfert und teilweise sogar als ihre erfindungen ausgegeben haben
@Alonsp2 its not a v22 osprey. Its a achgelis- a german helicopter which was ready for field use in 194 2- 40 years before the first osprey prototypes were planned
auch interessant ist, dass die horten ho IX (bzw. gotha go 229) als bomber konzipiert wurde, was auch aus dem namen "projekt 3000" (1000km/h, 1000km reichweite, 1000kg zuladung bomben) hervorgeht
Haophil, die Sprecher lesen einfach nur ihren Text ab, dafür werden sie bezahlt. Aber sie haben keine Ahnung, wovon sie eigentlich reden. Das gilt übrigens für alle
it is terrifying to know that in 1945 Nazi Germany had an aircraft which by comparrision had the same capabilities as the B-2 spirit Stealth bomber. And it would have been the next step to the Amirika Bomber which was designed to carry a Nuke to New York.
Die B 2 ist ja nicht das einzige "deutsche" Flugzeug. Es gab auch deutsche Erfindungen die zu ihrer Zeit und heutzutage als Superwaffen angesehen werden :
Panavia Tornado
Eurofighter Tythoon
F-102
F-106
F4D / F6
F 14
und was auch fast niemand weiß - Die Mondrakete Saturn 5 konzepiert vom A4 (auch bekannt als V2) Ingenieur Wernher von Braun
ja da haben die amerikaner ihren heutigen technischen vorsprung her....ohne deutschland gäbe es wohl keine B2 bomber oder wie sie die dinger nennen.....
False. of course. fly by wire and redundancy systems may make flight safer. But if your looking at the predecessor of the B-2, Look at the N1M, N9M, XB-35 and YB-49. all of which have actual recorded flights and data. The Ho-IX was a beautiful plane. But the roots of the B-2 are of course, in Jack Northrop's legacy.
Viele der deutschen Entwicklungen waren der Zeit soweit voraus, das sie von den Amerikanern einfach kopiert wurden. Beispiel:der Abschuß von V1 von U-Booten aus.
Für den Horten - Nurflügler gab es einen radarabsorbierenden Anstrich, der von den Amerikanern bei Arnstadt erbeutet wurde.
My family came from Cottbus, Germany. My Grandfather served with the US Army and saw how Germany was destroyed first ad by piston Driven airplanes. America concentrated on production, production and production. It wasn't a techological leap that was needed. It was status quo and production. They also trained Armys of pilots.
The German government made major mistakes. They spent their best scientists and scarce resources of raw materials and skilled workers on development of the future generation of jet planes and missiles, with no importance as to the outcome of the war, instead of building more synthetic oil plants, build more piston planes and give more training hours to the pilots. But the consequence of a better planning would have been a prolonging of the war, and thus the use of atomic bombs on German soil.
The use of Atomic weapons on European soil would have led to the demise of the US, The other European countries would have sided with the Russians very early.
The english Radar have found this weapon in 15 m over the sea/erath
Whean 1 min and 30 sec. from englang away the neglish fightes don't have starting when the Horton9 ist came.
PS: sry for my bad english ^^ i must learn more i comes fro germany and german is a friendly COuntry today
1mezzomix 11 months ago
Channel 4 in UK broadcast a long documentary all about this Horten plane last year. I think they were building a replica in US.
DordogneAnglais 1 year ago
I suspect the Me163 was the first plane to break the sound barrier.
Greenhornet270 1 year ago
GERMAN ENGINEERS WERE THE BEST!!!!
geertwildersful 1 year ago 2
schon mal aufgefallen - das wir die besten hatten -
panzer
u-boote
flugzeuge
handfeuer waffen
und raketen oder ähnliches
hatte die gegner ja wohl kaum - oder?
bis heute - profitieren die amis - und die russen von unserem wissen
osnajo 1 year ago 2
@osnajo
Mit Sicherheit nicht.
Was hatten die Russen den beim Überfall der Wehrmacht? T-34, KV1, PPSH...
Was hatten die Deutschen? PzKpfw III.
Es gab KEINE deutsche Waffe die den KV1 zerstören konnte.
Und der T-34 war schneller als jeder deutsche Panzer, besser gepanzert, und hatte mehr Feuerkraft.
natsplit 1 year ago
@natsplit
8,8 cm Flugabwehrk. konnte den KV1 auf normale Entfernung knacken !!
Oder 7,5cm Pak 40
T 34 Gegner : Panther Tiger ....... sogar Kpfw. 4 mit Upgrade ( 7,5cm )
Die unglubliche Massenfertigung des T-34 war sein Plus !!
trimode11 11 months ago
The best submarine(XXI)the first rockets and first operational stream airplanes....
Bye the way,the Americans took every German scientist to the USA,with all plans..
the russian did it too,the 2.series of scientists.
soibon 1 year ago
No it is not misleading... actually tested in the USA by 'stealth type experts' they rebuilt a Horten and made the radar shadow tests.
Vickzq 1 year ago
The germans was smart masterminds....
This war was a cruel mistake of humanity....of all sites.
America....devastation of german citys and civilians..... Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Sovjets.....burn his own mans like lumber...... rapes of civilians
Germany......Holocaust.....V 1 and V 2.....and so on.....
a dark site in human history....
~ Der Heiler ~
HeilerDerWelten 1 year ago
@HeilerDerWelten they Was smart masterminds??? They ARE smat masterminds!!!!!
Hellmars 1 year ago
40 years later they build the stealth.German tecnology,nothing is better.
fgalaxy91 1 year ago
Schlim aber wahr.
Dank den Nazis, haben wier ein Tehnologisches fortschrit gemacht.
TruckerSF 1 year ago
Endlich mal ein Video, dass das Getriebe im Flug Dank zeigen!
professeur62 1 year ago
Two things I've got to remind you of, dude:
1.) GERMANY LOST THE WAR
2.) IF THE NAZIS HAD WON, THEY WOULD HAVE ENSLAVED THE WORLD
These "Wonder Weapons" only exist in books/internet/museums, and that's fine with me. You can't rewrite history!!!
synthfreakify 1 year ago
the RAF mosquito had more stelth being almost invisable to radar because it was made of wood.
buidseach 1 year ago
@buidseach so was the Horten test where done years after by nasa based on the plans aquired after the war. it was build with a basic plywood inlaying.
vonLubrich1 1 year ago
@vonLubrich1 - not so much. Nasa did not "test" a Horten because no flyable model existed, and the one damaged prototype (HoIXv3) that was brought to america never flew.
Some Grumman model builders put together a V3 mock-up for a documentary a few years back and shot modern radar "tuned" to mimic the UK's home net frequency in 45 and they said it was less visible than the average fighter.
But sorry, no stealth, even the hortens never made that claim until after the B2 was announced...
OPE08 1 year ago
@vonLubrich1 That is entirely correct. The OPE08 and Kirel1942 characters are simply American jingoists. I've taken OPE08 through this in detail with the full references and he's just a DENIER.
historatia 1 year ago
@buidseach Built in Canada of "strips of spruce. A fascinating and very very good arircraft.
historatia 1 year ago
Wir sind auch immernoch führend in punkto Waffentechnologie. Wären da nicht die Amys die meinten den gehörten alles. Mich würd es nicht wundern, wenn wir Deutschen eine neue Antriebstechnologie erforschen, und aufeinmal die Amys vor meiner Haustür ständen.
MrMysters 1 year ago
It is either misleading or ignorant to call this "the prototype of the stealth." Have any of you people ever heard of Jack Northrop, who produced workable flying wings years before the much ballyhooed Horten? In fact, interest in the flying wing configuration was widespread well before World War 2. Northrop's XB-35, 15 times larger than the Horten, was in advanced design during the war and flew in 1946. It had good stealth qualities as well and that is the real origin of the B-2.
Kirel1942 1 year ago
@Kirel1942 Okay, okay I alter the description:
About the Horten Ho IX, a stealth similar bomberplane with jet engines, the first one actually leaving the drawing-board for the skies, and about other German phantoms of the air towards the end of the war.
toretreskjegg 1 year ago 2
@Kirel1942
First flying wing that actually flew was the hang glider by the austrian ignaz etrich in 1903.
The Horten brothers started experimenting with flying wings as glider and propeller versions in 1933.
Jack Northrop started experimenting in 1940.
Northrop and the Hortens both influenced the B2.
Sources:
Nurflügel, The history of the horten flying wings 1933-1960 by R. Horten and P. Selinger
Flying Wings - the history of the flying wing by R. Storck
erdkampfnuss 1 year ago 17
@erdkampfnuss - Sorry, Northrop started the Avion Corporation in 1927 and flew his first powered prototype in 1929, simply named the "1929 Prototype". Avion was bought out and the project cancelled right after the wind-tunnel tests before a production prototype could be built.
There is no evidence that anything from the single remaining HoIXv3 prototype fighter had anything to do with the B2, obviously its line is N9M-XB35-YB49-B2...
OPE08 1 year ago
@OPE08 OPE, By now you KNOW better. I took you through the ENTIRE UNBROKEN record of the path that led from the Horton glider, and then the Horton 229 and Horton IX V3 that led to the B2, including the fingings of the Northrup-Grumman people themselves.
You DISHONOUR the Hortons, Jack Northrup and Northrup Grumman by twisted away from the evident FULL TRUTH. Nobody denies the American aspects of the B2 and Northrup's contribution but you are LYING and YOU KNOW THAT.
historatia 1 year ago
@Kirel1942 Your right,in fact, Jack Northrop was invited to see a sneek peek,of the B2,right before his death.I'm guessing that it was fly by wire technology that made both the Horton's and Jack's designs worth building.Just my 2 cents
inagod 1 year ago
@inagod - the hortens never had fly-by-wire technology, their small fighter simply suffered from the yaw issue less than a bomber does. You'll notice that the N1M and N9M both flew wonderfully, and that was in 1940 LONG before fly-by-wire...
OPE08 1 year ago
@Kirel1942 its common knowledge that Allies heavily borrowed old German technology, Northrop's I think it killed two pilots so they scrapped it, were as this one flew, you still probably believe one of the greatest lies, that Orville and Wilbur were the first to fly even though in 1985 the Smithsonian released that they were not the first, Why don't you look at Yunkers models,Kurt tank, Ernst Heinkel try early 1912-1929, so i agree there was other wings, but none worked as well same with cars
MrBritdog2 1 year ago
@MrBritdog2 - if it is common knowledge, then perhaps you can provide some examples?
The Northrop XB35 was discontinued in favor of the YB49, the YB49 was not chosen by the US Army in favor of the B36, simply because of political reasons, not because of the crash that killed a YB49 test crew. The HoIXv3 prototype crashed and killed its test pilot too.
The Wrights were the first to have successful controlled flight, and repeated the feat, other pilots simply were not as successfull.
OPE08 1 year ago
@MrBritdog2 It killed 5 in a flying with with prop power. It was a respectable effort, and the US probably should have moved more quickly, but they canceled the program. The German ingenuity and inventiveness is really an inbuilt feature of German culture (and the national support is criticism -- including self-criticism). Building a "better" model is SO "German". The American is build a "sexier looking" one for mass marketing first. Its a cultural thing.
historatia 1 year ago
@Kirel1942 Your information is GROSSLY INCORRECT: .
1. FIRST, the early Northrup wings NEVER managed to fly "tailless" That was first accomplished in the early 30's by the Horton gliders.
2. SECOND, the Horton IV flew stably with twin-prop power at Darmstadt in 1937 andRudy Opitz and Hannah Reitsch, (the German version of Amelia Erhardt) flew it. (more)
historatia 1 year ago
@Kirel1942
3 THIRD: Third the commission received by Northrup was expressly based on the Horton glider design (because they had worked out the equations for staility of tailless flight. 4. FOURTH the Horton 229 in 1944 flew with its lower powered jet engines at at over 560 mph and WAS stealth as the Northrun-Grumman rebuilding actually demonstrated.
4. FOURTH: the Horton 229 in 1945 flew with its lower powered jet engines at at over 560 mph.
historatia 1 year ago
@Kirel1942 5. FIFTH: The plane was expressly designed to fly at the British radar along the UK coast, and knock it out and the IX was designed to be "stealth" in materials as well as shape. The materials and paint were tested for that. The Northrup-Grumman team confirmed it.
6. Taking away nothing from the US achievement, you statement is one born of IGNORANCE, and is disrepectful of the Hortons, Jack Northrup, Northrup Grumman and the TRUTH.
historatia 1 year ago
@Kirel1942 I totally agree. The Germans had many technological accomplishments during WWII, but to attribute the B2 to WWII German technology is an attempt to rewrite history. I hope that all of the readers here also realize the the Germans studied American Robert Godards rocket research in the 20's which they then built on to develop the V2 rocket.
CyberThom 1 year ago
@Kirel1942 I think it is brilliant when people have such expert knowledge that they can confidently correct widespread misconceptions with accurate information. However, frustrating as it must be to read a post made in ignorance by a naive enthusiast, I find it undermines the intelligence of the expert when they write in an arrogant, condescending or patronising manner. Kudos for your knowledge on the origin of stealth aircraft.
shagrat7 1 year ago
germany had build an UFO
this is not a fake !!!!!!!!!
it gives a doku about this one
the nazis had the best technologie ever
but the USA steel all this ...
sorry for bad english
TheFreakGermany 1 year ago 30
Pretty sure what ever we have in THE U.S.A. IS FROM GERMAN TECNOLOGY ...German's a VERY INTELLIGIENT PEOPLE....
trianglepoints 1 year ago
it was`nt the prototype to the stealth, northrop was msking them in the 30`s
parthian111 1 year ago
@parthian111 Completely untrue! Northrup never succeeded with the "tailless" wing in stable flight until the commission that was based on the Horton glider. By then the Germans had a dual propo flying (1937) . In 1942 the Luftwaffe got on board and by late 1944 the main bugs were were worked out. The Horton 229 was the breakthrough and the Horton IX V2 flew with the Ju jets at 560 mph beatifully according to pilot Ziller. It was built to be stealth!!!!
historatia 1 year ago
german egineers were the best and will stay the best ;-)
chris27011986 1 year ago
die horten ist so geil - deutsche ingenieurskunst vom feinsten!
dasbraunehaus 1 year ago
Müssen Producers von solchen Documentaries immer Hakenkreuze überall platzieren? So weit ich weiss, hat dieses Fliugzeug ja gar kein Hakenkreuz als Hoheitzeichen gehabt da es gar kein Seitenruder hatte. Naja....übrigen die Arado Ar 234 kam doch zum Einsatz. Beim KG 76 waren 132 Ar 234 zugewiesen.
Perhaps Germans will someday do their own research about their own history and not just synchronize and rebroacast these interesting but at times factual incorrect documentaries et al....
in2itiv2 1 year ago
To suggest that the Horten could take out a Spitfire is just plane daft. There is no way it could have out turned a Spit. Yes the Germans were experimentimg with all sorts of aircraft but so were the allies. Many of the projects were axed in 45/46 as technology moved on and requirements changed.
tpsossff 1 year ago
@tpsossff Actually flying model could not only outrace the Spitfire by a HUGE amount, but is was MORE manouverable and could definitely outurn. the probem was G-forces and pilots blacking out, so that's why the invented the pressure suit and helmet showin on rudy Optiz in the test versions.
historatia 1 year ago
if ww2 take 2 years shorter germany would be winner^^
OstWind84 1 year ago
Germany and Japan were doomed the moment USA decided to join the war in 1941. Actually Germany had lost the war the moment it lost the Battle Of Kursk. German engineering is of the finest category. But something more than overhyped super-weapons is needed to turn the course of war. That's why the prototype is in an American museum.
AgentAC001 1 year ago
If I recall, the Horten kids were in an aircraft model designing club at their school. The program was well run and the kids got lots of expert guidance. ie, focus on minimizing surface resistances. So they pushed the idea to it's ultimate conclusion... Why not?! It was fun and they got credit for it regardless! Their "breakthrough" glider model worked... they had crossed the line on established thinking. -Important people were contacted. Meanwhile, the boys built a larger prototype...
railadvocate 1 year ago
Americans dident have shit those russian had 10 million soilders fighting germany in WW2 in WW2 dumb ass those jets could of hold about 10 nukes and Americans could only hold 1 germany quit becuase of russia killed half of germanys army HALF and yes jets could of change the war they were fast too they should of attack usa with there nukes 10 NUKES dumb ass hell "If you are saying that the Jet engine would have changed the out come of the war"=Cojon3s123 YES I DO KNOW THAT GERMANY COULD OF WIN
alvarezlol 1 year ago
At least the Germans will go far in 2010 World Cup.
ppairer2 1 year ago
@ppairer2
They beat my country 4 nill. :(
I think the Germans will probably win as well,although strangely enough New Zealand look very good at the moment,they just had a draw against Italy....lol.
jimmywrangles 1 year ago
Futile distractions. Without jewish scientists they had no hope of acquiring the nuclear bomb and winning the war.
alex871uk 1 year ago
Haha Northrop didnt copy the idea from Horten they already had a working prototype called the Northrop N-9MB Flying Wing which was a counter to the Horten as well as been a 1/3 scale test "model" for the XB-35 bomber program...geez even now the Nazi propoganda machine is still trying to work!
UKVoodooUK 1 year ago
@UKVoodooUK
Correct, but the Northrop machine used propellers and would be
a lot slower than the Horten with jet engines, so in an aircombat the german plane would possibly be victorious.
In the end everyone (Americans and Germans) had to be happy that this
plane wasn't produced large scale, because it could stretch the end of the war.
Dubbel14 1 year ago
Okay. See it this way. It is very good that Nazi Germany didn't happen like 10-15 years later, because with the nuclear bomb at their disposal it could have come to a 3 way cold war between nazi germany the us and the soviet union and just imagine this delicate situation with mad people like hitler in power. Wow. Thank god the allies defeated us before the hbomb was invented in germany aswell.
satanspilz 1 year ago
if the u.s. havent get involved germany would win the war they dont win they just slash the monster while it was trying to stand back
motaneitor 1 year ago
if ww2 take like 1 year longer germany would be the winner..
barotje 1 year ago 7
@barotje not without the nuke.
toretreskjegg 1 year ago
@toretreskjegg the nuke was also stolen from the germans
Plaayboarding 1 year ago
@toretreskjegg
again with you fucking nukes.
did they need nukes to take over fortress Europe and half of Russia?
no
so GTFO with your nuke.
There are people in Japan STILL being born with defects thanks to your nuke.
ss33988 1 year ago
So you're saying take away the nuke and Germany would have won? This is a ludicrous notion. They were out of fuel, their factories were leveled, they had no more people draft into their military. If you are saying that the Jet engine would have changed the out come of the war, well it wouldn't have for two reasons: a) the British and the Americans had working jet prototypes b) the Jet engine engendering was too complex to mass produce from the few factories Germany had.
Cojon3s123 1 year ago
@Cojon3s123 IF Nazi Germany had lastet a year (or two) longer, and IF the Yanks hadn't invented the atomic bomb, THEN maybe the Allies would have agreed to some kind of truth in 1947 - MAYBE.
toretreskjegg 1 year ago
@toretreskjegg btw - if nürnberg would have benn captured by the americans 1week later, germany had the a-bomb - so if nazi germany would have had a year more, they would have won
Wolf9656 1 year ago
@toretreskjegg
Stalin would never have agreed but by 47 Germany might have had a workable bomb. Thank god it never panned out that way .... there would never have been a cold war, just a war that would have led to a nuclear exchange by 1950 at the latest.
tpsossff 1 year ago
@toretreskjegg The only way Deutschland could have won the war was if they had succeeded in taking Baku, The Ukraine and the Urals.
naltrexone23X 1 year ago 2
@naltrexone23X I don't disagree.
toretreskjegg 1 year ago
@naltrexone23X and that is a big MAYBE...
GrigoriZhukov 1 year ago
@naltrexone23X
Hitler and nazism was destines to die, at least for a while because they were murdering innocent people-
MsGnorts 1 year ago
@MsGnorts I am more inclined to believe in free will, and that it was certain choices made by German officials which lead to the downfall of Nazi Germany, rather than destiny. But their murdering innocents hs nothing to do with their defeat. The Soviets comitted some of the worst crimes against humanity, even before the war began, and they were victorious. Every political ideology has a certain lifespan, and must inevitably come to an end. Change will always overwhelm tradition.
MusikAndLuv 1 year ago
@MsGnorts I don't agree. It was destined to die because it was expressly organized as a way of overcoming a set of unique challenges that existed from 1918 to 1933. It wasn't a long term 'sustainable' organization of political affairs (like communism didn't prove to be either).
historatia 1 year ago
@toretreskjegg I seriously doubt it. For one simple reason the allies and the United state in particular had done something the Nazi's never did. Logistical support en mass. That and the allie ability at innovating in ELINT compared to the Naiz ineptitude at the same(granted that is just my non-expert onpinion)
GrigoriZhukov 1 year ago
@GrigoriZhukov Millitary logistics was mastered by The German Army in the industrial age, and was an example for the modern world to follow. Rather, The US had an advandage in their distance from Europe. If the situation was reversed, and Germans had a foothold in North America, it would have been a very different war. America would have had to deal with bombardment and constant attacks, on their industry and cities, while Germany would be safe from bombers and invasion.
MusikAndLuv 1 year ago
@GrigoriZhukov Excellent observation. The Soviet armies would NEVER have succeeded without the 450,000 US trucks. You're absolutely right. THAT was the uniquely american genius in those days. (The rest of the world has caught up in the past few decades.)
historatia 1 year ago
@toretreskjegg that extra year was closer than most people would think. If the D-day landings would have failed Germany would have had that extra year or two. But I can't do anything but agree there are a LOT of ''ifs''. Yet I believe Germany could have ''won''. look at the ME 262, they could have had it in production in 1943! But Hitler(lucky for the world) was an idiot:P
Germany had many good engineers, that has to be said, regardless of the crimes they helpt commit
evildeathmonkey1 1 year ago
@evildeathmonkey1 And than there was the A-BOMB available from august 1945. I think a lot of the German generals in the West knew very well about the development of the a-bomb, and that they had to bring the war at the western front into an end before summer 1945. That's one of the reasons why many of the German divisions didn't fight 100 % in the West.
toretreskjegg 1 year ago
@toretreskjegg yes but my piont is, how were the Americans going to deliver that A-bomb? !IF! the germans had the ME 262 in production in 1943, the Americans and British would not have been able to get air supremacy(not sure how to spell that, English isn't my native language) since they did not have any rockets at that time. Also Germany was working on its own A-bomb/dirty bomb, and did have the rocket tech to deliver it. At minimum to the UK, maybe later rockets to the east coast of the US
evildeathmonkey1 1 year ago
@evildeathmonkey1 This is full Nazi Bullshit + watch American built flying winf on Utube > "Flying Wing Northrop N1M & N1M-2 " on Utube. Northro USAp had twin engine powered flying wings that flew in 1939. The German myth that they did it first is bunch of shit. Von Brau an employee of Nasa admitted he stold designs from US Patent of Robert Goddard who launcjed the 1st liquid rocket to exceed 600 MPH. Krauts R lying copy cats trying to save face for the humiliating WW2 defeat.
LottoWinner999 1 year ago
@LottoWinner999 I don't see how that defeat was at all humiliating. German troops fought incredibly hard, most allied soldiers admit this. Resources were nearly depleted both in materials and men.
I find it astonising they even lasted as long as they did to the overwhelming invading force.
The holocaust was humiliating, but that's not linked to the defeat.
What I believe DOES frustrate Germans is the divide of the country after the war, and partly consequently a sort of national identity crisis.
kvkleef79 1 year ago
@LottoWinner999 More completely IGNORANT and UNTRUE commentary except that (to suck up to his new employers) Werner von Braun did whisper some diplimatic niceties. Actually the Russian had managed some good progress on rocketry, and the Germans certainly used that. Northrup's first commission stated that it was to based on the Horton glider design, but then proven with dual props in 1937.
historatia 1 year ago
@evildeathmonkey1 Evildeath you completely discount the decisive factor. The US industrial production capacity was ENORMOUS, and the Wehrmactht would not have been able to fight its way into the then industrial heartland with armies over the seas. ONLY the Americans could do that back then.. Be reasonable. (Hitler was no "idiot". Much of what happened was inevitable, but he "gambled" when he shouldn't have. The sad part is that it could only end with "unconditional" surrender.
historatia 1 year ago
@Cojon3s123 Your dumb Americans dident have jets intel 1950s to 1960s and before that they were prototypes german tech was 20 years ahead of Americans what a dumbass
alvarezlol 1 year ago
@alvarezlol But still the dumb Americans managed to kick the German asses in the war as well as that of the Japanese. If the Japanese warrior was a graceful Samurai and the German warrior was a biomechanical weaponized robot then the Americans were a huge ugly beast 10 times their size who tore them apart. They still influence everything in these 2 countries ranging from culture to foreign policy to system of governance.
AgentAC001 1 year ago
@AgentAC001 The DID, but the system has now changed again. The first shoe fell when the Soviet empire implided, the second when the US economy was run into the swamp by George Bush. It will take YEARS for the US to be hauled out.
historatia 1 year ago
@Cojon3s123 You are right. Germany lost the war when Hitler chose not to go for Moscow first in 1941. After Kursk Germany had no more chance for total victory.
FFulmenTheFinnish 1 year ago
@Cojon3s123
Thats because the ALLIES STOLE THEIR SHIT YOU GAG!
ss33988 1 year ago
@Cojon3s123 the jet engine would be the war winner if it had come earlier the germans had the first jet fighters but too late,
The jet engine would have made a difference in 42 but not in late 44 or 45.
Cause your arguments are right they were carpet bombed and had very limited ressources.
and by the way hitler this stupid fuck didnt use most of his jet fighters as fighters as fighter but as fighter bombers are they never were made for.
Bad idea when the allies have air superiority
Assassins1012 1 year ago
@Assassins1012
However the first reliable engines were designed and built in England in the late 20's.
candr 1 year ago
@barotje If the war had lasted one year longer then the Soviets would have been the winner - they'd have taken the whole of Europe, not just the east.
Nastyswimmer 1 year ago
@barotje Guy if Germany lasts one year long. IF , we're talking a massive push by the soviets into Former French territory. To hold out ,they need MASSIVE amounts of war material AND manufactured goods to keep going. That war machine was running out of EVERYTHING mate. 14 year old boys in garrison duty. The soviets were ramping up war capacity. If they lasted another year, the Japanese had been defeated, AND they were being pushed by the full might of two world powers.
wesharris6 1 year ago
@barotje If it had lasted another year Berlin would have received the Fat man bomb not Hiroshima. I admit Germany had a clear advantage in air power, but air superiority belonged to the Allie's.
TRWallace1959 1 year ago
@barotje nope, germany had no basic materials and no fuel.
HolgerLovesMusic 1 year ago
The concept was not exclusive to Germany. Northrop, and several others were working on the same concepts, to varied success. The dimensions of the B2 match the Northrop designs from the 1940's, not the Horton.
Without modern gyros and computer controls, the wing design is dangerous, simply due to it's stall characteristics.
Heathh49008 1 year ago
Im Spiel IL-2 1946 habe ich die Gotha Go 229 (Horten Ho 9) geflogen... (geht ab wie Schmitt`s Katze)
Wenn diese Maschinen in größeren Mengen 1945 am Himmel über Deutschland erschienen wären, hätte das wirklich für die alliierten Flieger böse geendet...
1965wildhorse 1 year ago
Tut mir Leid wenn ich falsch liege, aber wir waren einst wirklich das Übervolk... beweise gibt es genug. Zumindest in sachen Militär waren wir fast jeden Feind vorraus.
YxFurryWolfxY 2 years ago
Es war gute Ingenieure damals, aber leider die haben einfach Waffen und mehr Waffen gebaut...wenn die auch könnten Flugzeuge, Hubschrauber, Schiffe, Trecker für Ziviliste Benutzung und in Ausland verkaufen...
KronprinzAdam 1 year ago
Die Arado hatte Die MG-sicht Rückwärts, und hat auch nach hinten geschossen, doof nur dass die Amis dann meistens von vorne kamen...
Wolvster007 2 years ago 2
Hätte Hitler gewartet bis er genug dieser Horten 9 Flieger gehabt hätte, wäre der Krieg warscheinlich anders ausgefallen.
Die Ammis können aber auch nur klauen anstatt selber zu forschen :-)
NitroCircusFanNo1 2 years ago 31
Die Amis haben gehabt Massive Produktion, Bomber mit 4 Motoren und ihre Jägen könnten von England nach Berlin hin und zurück...so die haben die Producktion nach andere Richtung orientiert!!!
KronprinzAdam 1 year ago
@NitroCircusFanNo1 Wann haben Amis was entwickelt??? Es sind doch immer nur Ausländer..also nicht Amerikaner die das getan haben
120caesar 1 year ago
@NitroCircusFanNo1 : With 1940's control system technology that thing would have terrible yaw characteristics. Totally useless as a fighter, it would just spray bullets all over the sky.
Snobiker13 1 year ago
@NitroCircusFanNo1
In English bitte.
ss33988 1 year ago
@NitroCircusFanNo1
ja recht hast du...
dasbraunehaus 1 year ago
@NitroCircusFanNo1 Da haste recht.
Wier konnten schon damit fliegen, die Ammie erst jahr zehnte später.
TruckerSF 1 year ago
Its so hard to find something about Ho 229.
Could someone post english subtitle?
Thanks!
cristianomaddog 2 years ago 9
@cristianomaddog there was a full 1 hour doco on a real size build done and flown but its not on youtube ffs
spadastunter 2 years ago
Starlichtwarrior hat recht die Stealth B2 is eine weiterentwicklung und keine kopie.
eine kopie bedeutet eine exacte nachbildung in form und technik
ozeangruen 2 years ago
Die Amis haben nix geklaut.
Wir hatten die Grundideen und die Amis und Russen haben unsere Technik weiterentwickelt.
Starlichtwarrior 2 years ago
Unsere technik war fast ausgerefit!
Was ist den der Tarnkappenbomber der USAF
Richtig ein Geänderter Gotha Go 229 (Horten Ho 9)
oooSturmgeistooo 2 years ago 4
mir fällt nichts ein was die amis in militärischer hinsicht nich von uns geklaut haben
V4Freak 2 years ago 8
da wären Panzer, MG, Flugzeugträger, Sonar etc etc. .... da gibt es ziemlich viel das die AMis nicht geklaut haben..
nagmashot 2 years ago
Das M60 ist vom MG43 abgekupfert also komm uns nicht mit MG.
Der M1, als erster guter US Panzer wurde aus US und Deutscher Zusammenarbeit entwickelt und ist der kleine Bruder vom Leopard2.
Flugzeugträger sind auch das einzigste, dass sie nicht 45 gestohlen haben.
BlubbiDerFisch 2 years ago
Falsch: ist vom fg42. aber schlecht gemacht.
wollten mg42 kopieren haben es aber nicht geschafft und dabei 20000$ verblasen. haufen kohel danmals
svenx69 2 years ago
genug bekommen von germany!
djrah2 2 years ago
that broken but rebuilding nation, that not long before was broken upon the recession, america raised its head due only to loans to most of the world,
with out the tech the usa and ussr would have been equal to each other in the cold war and the left could have won.
where did the yanks get the tech, where else but greater germany,
they stole and even used nazi style propagander to battle the reds on the popular front.
germany made the mega power we know today
roblekosh 2 years ago 6
@roblekosh who said the left lost the cold war? America currently embraces socialism. It seems the left won the war and America slowly becomes the same as her enemy.
trappy77 2 years ago
this machine was stealth and we still fly around today on 40 year old GERMAN TECH< I AM SOOOO PROUD TO BE GERMAN!!!!!!!!!
faron27 2 years ago 33
@faron27 : Not very stealthy. The engine air intakes and the compressor blades inside would make nice radar reflectors.
Snobiker13 1 year ago
@faron27
I know man. I'm Australia and still today I am amazed at what the Germans had contributed to human kind over those 5 years
ss33988 1 year ago
@faron27 and we have planes thanks to the Wright Brothers! I'm so proud to be American!
thatgreggguy 1 year ago
of course the real Horten would have been towed from the hanger to the flightline.
But what does a donut munching,computer C4D jockey know about aerial operations!
will4ward 2 years ago
That depends on your definition of 'something'. Perhaps, if it had not have been for Germany's obsession with violence the USA today would not be burdened by the oppression of the military industrial complex.
bolognadetector 2 years ago 2
well one things for sure if it wasnt for the nazis there would be no rocket which mean no moon landing or jet fighters
lewisjay1 2 years ago 5
en efecto sin la tecnologia alemana los norteamericanos no son nada pues los americanos se la copiaron o mejor dicho se la robaron como siempre han hecho
ziegenbockhau 2 years ago 4
lol, 4:05 nine inch nails in the background, that's what i get
jgcooper 2 years ago
gut dass die amys die deutsche technik nur "untersucht" haben und nich hämmungslos abgekupfert und teilweise sogar als ihre erfindungen ausgegeben haben
wiesel01 2 years ago 6
Yeah!, the germans had the best armament, the best planes, the best tanks (although the T-34 surpassed the Panzer)...
But they still being the best ones!
Grüße!
666deutsch 2 years ago 6
Best soldiers and best submarine.
Ixtzalit 2 years ago 5
2:43 isn't that the v-22 osprey?!
Alonsp2 2 years ago 3
No dude. If anything it is like an CH-46, Osprey can transition of course.
cmreel 2 years ago
@Alonsp2 the twin rotor helo is a focke achgelis "drache"
it was used in action though in small numbers,for observation and evac.
the french got their hands on a few examples and from it started their now world renowned chopper industry
(like the other allies did with:jets;rockets...)
jetaddicted 1 year ago
@Alonsp2 its not a v22 osprey. Its a achgelis- a german helicopter which was ready for field use in 194 2- 40 years before the first osprey prototypes were planned
Buemmo 1 year ago
auch interessant ist, dass die horten ho IX (bzw. gotha go 229) als bomber konzipiert wurde, was auch aus dem namen "projekt 3000" (1000km/h, 1000km reichweite, 1000kg zuladung bomben) hervorgeht
deseryve 2 years ago 2
Haophil, die Sprecher lesen einfach nur ihren Text ab, dafür werden sie bezahlt. Aber sie haben keine Ahnung, wovon sie eigentlich reden. Das gilt übrigens für alle
Sprecher, nicht nur für diesen hier
pierredarc 2 years ago 2
it is terrifying to know that in 1945 Nazi Germany had an aircraft which by comparrision had the same capabilities as the B-2 spirit Stealth bomber. And it would have been the next step to the Amirika Bomber which was designed to carry a Nuke to New York.
quinnmacleod 2 years ago 3
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Buemmo 2 years ago
wow, the germans were amazing
GreenAce92 2 years ago 2
Luftabwehrraketen im 2. Weltkrieg??? Ich wusste schon von drahtgelenkten Luft-Luft Raketen in der Heinkel Lärche III, aber das haut mich jetzt um....
Buemmo 2 years ago 2
Das ist ja der Wahnsinn... Unglaublich 5*
Selten sowas exzellentes gesehen!
Abch3ck0r 2 years ago 3
Nix da, deutsch ist gut^^
chuckskull123 2 years ago
Please do you have it in English?
ZV50 2 years ago
der sprecher kommt mir irgendwie bekannt vor, ist das nicht derselbe, der immer diesen mist als sprecher für islamisten hergibt?
das sollte einem zu denken geben...
Haophil 2 years ago
nice historic films!
granskare 2 years ago
Die B 2 ist ja nicht das einzige "deutsche" Flugzeug. Es gab auch deutsche Erfindungen die zu ihrer Zeit und heutzutage als Superwaffen angesehen werden :
Panavia Tornado
Eurofighter Tythoon
F-102
F-106
F4D / F6
F 14
und was auch fast niemand weiß - Die Mondrakete Saturn 5 konzepiert vom A4 (auch bekannt als V2) Ingenieur Wernher von Braun
Dommas1106 2 years ago 2
b-2 bomber is actually h-4
lordguardian3 2 years ago
ja da haben die amerikaner ihren heutigen technischen vorsprung her....ohne deutschland gäbe es wohl keine B2 bomber oder wie sie die dinger nennen.....
pommesmuskel 2 years ago
at the end of movie the something was moved across the B-2! What's this?
RuStanislaw 2 years ago
I wasn't aware before now. An al Quaida missile? An UFO rocket? Nope, most likely a sun reflection on the camera lens. (8:24).
toretreskjegg 2 years ago
true, almost no missile can target a B2 because it has no radar surface and generates only very low heat.
Buemmo 2 years ago 2
deutsche Wunderwaffen ! *****
FeldFeuerUpload 3 years ago 2
well how did they solve the stability problem??? to day is fly by wire and computers to stablise
kreb7 3 years ago
False. of course. fly by wire and redundancy systems may make flight safer. But if your looking at the predecessor of the B-2, Look at the N1M, N9M, XB-35 and YB-49. all of which have actual recorded flights and data. The Ho-IX was a beautiful plane. But the roots of the B-2 are of course, in Jack Northrop's legacy.
cmreel 2 years ago
Viele der deutschen Entwicklungen waren der Zeit soweit voraus, das sie von den Amerikanern einfach kopiert wurden. Beispiel:der Abschuß von V1 von U-Booten aus.
Für den Horten - Nurflügler gab es einen radarabsorbierenden Anstrich, der von den Amerikanern bei Arnstadt erbeutet wurde.
MichaelGaismair 3 years ago 4
Ich danke dir für die Auskünfte. Ja, es gibt vieles wovon wir zu wenig wissen, und manches wovon wir überhaupt noch nichts wissen.
toretreskjegg 3 years ago
My family came from Cottbus, Germany. My Grandfather served with the US Army and saw how Germany was destroyed first ad by piston Driven airplanes. America concentrated on production, production and production. It wasn't a techological leap that was needed. It was status quo and production. They also trained Armys of pilots.
wenddiver 3 years ago
The German government made major mistakes. They spent their best scientists and scarce resources of raw materials and skilled workers on development of the future generation of jet planes and missiles, with no importance as to the outcome of the war, instead of building more synthetic oil plants, build more piston planes and give more training hours to the pilots. But the consequence of a better planning would have been a prolonging of the war, and thus the use of atomic bombs on German soil.
toretreskjegg 3 years ago
The use of Atomic weapons on European soil would have led to the demise of the US, The other European countries would have sided with the Russians very early.
brendonnz1964 3 years ago
horten 9 ist wie ein mauersegler "apus apus"
semnopithecus2 3 years ago
fenomenal *****
RioCravoNorte 3 years ago
Hilsen fra oslo
Oslosfantasi 3 years ago
Die deutschen Flugzeugerfinder waren Weltmeister, aber die Militäre Leitung in Berlin war es eben nicht.
toretreskjegg 3 years ago