McCain Rips Club for Growth

[vince33x]

This is why McCain lost, he is NOT a Conservative!

[Cowboyboot1980]

Well..... we see how far McCain got.

[freakazoidodo]

yeah and you are just like haggard, craig, foley, lindsey graham hahaha

the election demonstrated how the repubs lost moderates, libertarians and most of the country by pandering to rednecks and religious jerks like you hehehe

- comments are unread and deleted so critics can fuck off and die lol

[Cowboyboot1980]

Whatever... The GOP lost because they didnt stand for anything and didnt stay true to there principles. Now that folks are seeing what a Marxist Obama really is I think a big revolt is comming

[ipbalkenende]

No the general public hates your revolting 'principles' is all. They also dislike idiots. Something you clearly are if you think the public is going to vote for democrats because their competitors are too much like democrats for their taste.

[tttar]

ipbalkenende, can you tell me what your principles are, who stands for them, and what they have in common with what the founders generally believed in 1789?

I'm hearing a lot of "anti" from you, but you're not telling me what you believe in that has/would work so much better.

[ipbalkenende]

Whatever produced 9% yearly growth under FDR, beat the Nazi's and made the USA into the definite superpower works for me. As for the founders, I respect their constitution and that's it (don't go on ranting before you've read the taxing and spending clause). There are no parallels aside from the foundations between that time and the present world.

[ipbalkenende]

BTW that didn't really answer your question as it was more about pragmatism, policies and utilitarian outcomes than it was about core principles. I do have my core principles, it's just that people in general are so dogmatic about principles that there isn't much use talking about them so instead I focus on real world results in which my principles have done extremely well and yours have crashed and burned. If you want to know I'm your typical social progressive with a socio economic conscience.

[Whoo69]

Club 4 Growth is a joke. Grover Norquist is a joke. His "Leave Us Alone Coalition" is a joke. Leave us alone?? Not when it comes to abortion rights, euthanasia rights, federal stem cell research, gay marriage, gay rights, gay adoption, and so much more. They take such a narrow-minded view of the term "leave us alone." "Leave us alone" does not just include taxes and gun rights.

[BeauJames59]

@Whoo69 Another Rino, I see.

[tradercris]

The Club For Growth is a joke whose members have enough assets that they dont need a contributory safety net like social security and medicare. Also they have enough money to pay even astronomical Ivy League et al tuition for their own kids so they dont want aid to education even as a better educated population benefits all citizens eventually.

The CoG seeks to make the bankrupting and renegging on Social Security/Medicare obligations inevitable. "Starve the beast" they call it.

[avedron]

Club For Growth plans on mowing down Huckabee. It's kind of creepy how much influence they have within the party.

[tttar]

Had Hillary been asked to join the Big Tent Party, we wouldn't have to even have elections. North Korea sure doesn't need them. Republicans should learn how to *really* think big.

[mtf10]

Please. Hillary Clinton IS a republican.

[tttar]

And McCain is a Democrat. Same difference, which is why I'm a libertarian. If you're gonna lose anyway, at least you don't have to sell your soul, too. :)

But *this time*, a change is gonna come... Hahaha.

It'll be morbidly interesting to see how long it will take for Obama's followers to figure out that it'll just be business as usual after he gets elected.

[mtf10]

The gist is basically that he's not George Bush, and Hillary Clinton agreed with Bush policies on too many occasions, which is fundamentally true and the reason why he won. Obama himself has already started veering to the middle-right, and I personally am voting for Nader, but he'll still be a vast improvement for liberals over the government we've had the last 40 years.

[ipbalkenende]

It'll be more interesting how long it will take lolbertarians to figure out nobody gives a crap about their ideals or principles and some people *gasp* actually have different criteria than they do, in fact most people do.

[tttar]

ipbalkenende, I'm not sure what your point is.

I already know nobody gives a crap about what libertarians think, and the feeling's mutual!

The Constitution has been a dead letter, by the Civil War, at the latest. People still love to wave that flag, though, and pretend it still means what it used to.

[rijderunner]

amen! the club for growth is a load of bull, from the RINO garbage to this poorly constructed white papers. The comparisons are bad, the details waver and steve forbes, moore and toomey suck ass.

[voinavarell]

Yes, Bald Eagle... I, too, wanted McCain in 2000. And I remember feeling sick to my stomach at the dirty tricks and awful tactics used by Karl Rove and George W. (for Worst) Bush. To watch McCain turn around and cater to them has also made me nautious. Unfortunately, I've almost completely lost respect for him.

[drsanity]

McCain is a RINO.

[riley580]

Bald Eagle You are Exactly right! GOD BLESS REAGAN! WE NEED FRED THOMPSON 2008!

[PierreElliottTrudeau]

You do realise that Reagan was about as Conservative as Rudolph Gulliani right? Since then the Republican party has been hijacked by the ultra right-wing and as a consequence Americe has suffered tremendously. Why would anyone want another George Bush in office (Fred Thompson/John McCain) is beyond me.

[BaldEagle2006]

I wanted McCain in 2000, but his teaming up with Ted Kennedy on immigration shows his inability to lead this country. The North American Union and Security and Prosperity Partmership must be stopped!

[FiveCardArmy]

Hello?