Yeah I agree but be careful.....I voted against Kerry and we all know how that bullshit turned out. Eventually it led me to voting against McCain. I'm just sayin'.
@CliffM85 The problem with the Libertarian party is that it's chock full of 9/11 "truthers" and Obama "birthers", not to mention the standard conspiracy loons.
Part of the problem with this idea is that often both candidates are (more or less) equally as bad, but one has better rhetoric. As a progressive, I feel that I have 2 choices. Vote for a Democrat who will lie to me, pat me on the head, and then stab me in the back, or vote for a Republican who will be honest about stabbing me in the back. Sometimes the only way for things to get any better is for things to get a LOT worse first.
@alvagoldbook2 The difference is Democrats feel shame, and thus occasionally can be shamed into doing something positive. The Republicans do not give a fuck about anyone or anything except their own pocketbooks and will do or say anything they have to to get elected.
@hawanja You're not wrong. But I think the only way to get any quality Dems in there who will actually fix things is to let the GOP fuck things up a lot more than they already are. The Dems need a kind of involuntary spine transplant. I don't think that will happen unless we have bread and soup lines.
When was the last time a conservative passed something that didn't involve a gigantic corporation? They do not care about you, only about how much fucking money they can make as lobbyists after they're termed out.
I used to be idealistic and think people should only vote FOR candidates and not against others, but the fact is that our voting system does not support idealism. We need a preferential voting system like Ranked Pairs (google it and start telling people about it) before that will work.
We're just not going to end up with a government that everyone considers perfect. There has to be a lot of compromise if we're going to agree on who should run things.
It's often the case that we've got to vote for the lesser of two evils, but that's a bad situation. It's not constructive. It's a rear-guard action to prevent catastrophy.
If things are to improve, we need to have someone we can vote for, with ideas that can change things for the better.
I agree that come election time it's often a good idea to vote for the less terrible candidate, but the rest of the time we should be making sure a better candidate runs so we can vote for something.
Yeah I agree but be careful.....I voted against Kerry and we all know how that bullshit turned out. Eventually it led me to voting against McCain. I'm just sayin'.
alockout 1 year ago
The lesser of two evils? How about the other parties that are being ignored? I'm voting Libertarian.
CliffM85 1 year ago
@CliffM85 The problem with the Libertarian party is that it's chock full of 9/11 "truthers" and Obama "birthers", not to mention the standard conspiracy loons.
TheRedneckAtheist 1 year ago
@TheRedneckAtheist Which means we need more sane and rational people to join up. And everyone knows who is really to blame for 9/11. Women. ;p
CliffM85 1 year ago
Having gubernatorial problems? Stop electing goobers. Problem solved,
sulkow82 1 year ago
I kind of have to agree given the circumstances. Neither party has really done anything worthwhile let alone have any solutions.
rba718 1 year ago
Part of the problem with this idea is that often both candidates are (more or less) equally as bad, but one has better rhetoric. As a progressive, I feel that I have 2 choices. Vote for a Democrat who will lie to me, pat me on the head, and then stab me in the back, or vote for a Republican who will be honest about stabbing me in the back. Sometimes the only way for things to get any better is for things to get a LOT worse first.
alvagoldbook2 1 year ago
@alvagoldbook2 The difference is Democrats feel shame, and thus occasionally can be shamed into doing something positive. The Republicans do not give a fuck about anyone or anything except their own pocketbooks and will do or say anything they have to to get elected.
hawanja 1 year ago 2
@hawanja You're not wrong. But I think the only way to get any quality Dems in there who will actually fix things is to let the GOP fuck things up a lot more than they already are. The Dems need a kind of involuntary spine transplant. I don't think that will happen unless we have bread and soup lines.
alvagoldbook2 1 year ago
@hawanja youve got it all backwards!
Ogr58 1 year ago
@Ogr58 Yeah but in real life I don't.
When was the last time a conservative passed something that didn't involve a gigantic corporation? They do not care about you, only about how much fucking money they can make as lobbyists after they're termed out.
If you vote conservative, you are a fucking tool.
hawanja 1 year ago
I used to be idealistic and think people should only vote FOR candidates and not against others, but the fact is that our voting system does not support idealism. We need a preferential voting system like Ranked Pairs (google it and start telling people about it) before that will work.
We're just not going to end up with a government that everyone considers perfect. There has to be a lot of compromise if we're going to agree on who should run things.
OneAndOnlySnob 1 year ago
It's often the case that we've got to vote for the lesser of two evils, but that's a bad situation. It's not constructive. It's a rear-guard action to prevent catastrophy.
If things are to improve, we need to have someone we can vote for, with ideas that can change things for the better.
I agree that come election time it's often a good idea to vote for the less terrible candidate, but the rest of the time we should be making sure a better candidate runs so we can vote for something.
churchofstfu 1 year ago