"What does being pessimist really do for you" you ask. I would say- What does being atheist really do for you? I think to be atheist inevitably leads to being pessimist.
I believe that every thinking human being inevitably comes to that point in his life where he finds himself standing in front of necessity to believe in God, even if he can not find any obvious proof that God exists.
don't let religion rob you of your connection with god. i am 100% non religious, but i feel the existence of god and i love it. my relationship with god has absolutely nothing to do with anybody elses opinion. what pessimists get from their viewpoint is an ego trip. which is a temporary and ultimately unfulfilling thing to seek.
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Dude chill out, I'm not writing my science and soundly deduced statements on a golden tablet and sending it out in space as the representation of humanities united beliefs of the origin of the universe. Everything I say passes through the rules of science and logic. You can't disprove my beliefs, but I succeeded in disproving yours. That's what this is all about - allowing options that really can be. You were bullying the possibility of something SN. Now you were forced to accept it.
@DreamStars21 Oh for Christ sake - I just read another of your fucking patronising comments. You haven't presented a logical argument for ANYTHING. You clearly still don't understand the issue of belief versus knowledge or you wouldn't have claimed that I contradicted myself, you haven't addressed the reply I made to that comment at all and yet you claim somehow you have 'disproved' my beliefs - which is to say I am an agnostic atheist and you don't seem to understand what that means even now!
You dumb scaly wag! LoL You just contradicted yourself, and YAY for me!! It was done in the same sentence. You need some rest bloak, it is almost sunrise there!
In all seriousness, you're a lot off tonight - I'm sure you'll be feeling better in the morrow.
I leave you with what will now become an infamous quote, courtesy of Trifelgeputinage, and I quote:
"Yes I agree that ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE..."
"But, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE there CAN EXIST supernatural energy..."
@DreamStars21 Jesus You still don't understand do you? What I believe and what I know are TWO separate things - ffs - this was the point about two fucking hours ago - why can't you get it What we believe is based on the evidence we have - what I KNOW is something different - there MAY be all sorts of things that are POSSIBLE - like supernatural fucking energy POSSIBLE - but I don't BELIEVE IT exists now because NOW there's no evidence -the point should be clear! You claimed to KNOW - come on!
@DreamStars21 So in parting - you don't know for sure that spiritual energy exists, but you do know, IT MAY exist - but then it may NOT, there are other ways of knowing besides science - but the only example you can give is a fictional story and the fact that it hasn't been disproved. You don't believe in the ice cream monsters - because no-one cares about them, but you do believe in spiritual energy because everyone cares about the origins of the universe and therefore it's ok to believe crap.
@DreamStars21 And you have the nerve to call me dumb. Tut tut. I've been very patient with your patronising bullshit, but really your'e not exactly au fait with the philosophy of science are you. You like to believe in nice mystical sounding ideas because it makes you feel good, but in reality you have no evidence whatsoever, just a load of what if's and anythings possibles. All your dancing around and that's it - ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE, no proof, or evidence, just a feeling you have. Brilliant.
@trifelgeputinage oh and one last thing - your room mates must be as dumb as you if they can't see the difference between belief and knowledge either. Believe me - if you ever read these comments in a few years when you've had a chance to develop your intellectual capacity you will see how totally fucking stupid you sound. Creators snapping their fingers indeed, anything's possible - but I K N O W that spiritual energy exists - because it hasn't been disproven. Fucking moronic.
@trifelgeputinage Why won't your corrosive comments go to sleep already? My roommates read it yes and called you a dumb arsehole! WTF is wrong with you? I can type rude Shist too you fucing wind-up toy that should have been recalled! Stop fucing insulting and stick with the science. My statements are sound, and you do nothing but fail in reading comprehension and continually contradict yourself, sometimes twice in the same sentence. Clearly u can't admit when u r wrong ever! So STFU and G2HUSF
@DreamStars21 well I have insomnia and I don't give a shit what you're room mates think, if you don't think you've been disingenuous, plain wrong and patronising that's because you still don't understand - you haven't addressed or seemed to understand most of what I have said, therefore I will make a video response to these comments tomorrow and go through this entire head fuck properly. I really don't like being rude - but really you have asked for it, your statements are NOT sound, not at all!
@DreamStars21 I'll get the link from you later - the Atheist Experience is easy to find - just type 'Atheist Experience' again - I don't mean to be that rude - but Jesus you wind me up because you clearly just don't get some simple points in relation to belief versus knowledge - you've got them both mixed up in your mind and you seem to think that saying ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE' jibes with 'I KNOW FOR SURE' AND 'I BELIEVE...' - this point was made ages ago yet you still confuse the issues! Aaaagh
I can't hide behind false claims - it's all written below! If this were a verbal discussion you would never figure this out. I have no chance arguing with what's written below! And guess what? Neither do you! Screw it man I don't care anymore. I read over my comments 50 times. I even had my roommate read over them too and they see you just can't understand or maybe ur too tense about the subject to see words on a screen and process them clearly. Send me ur video link, I'll send you mine!
You asked me what could possibly prove something that didn't involve physics. I told you a ^&%%*$&* 100,000 times, you are stupid! LoL YAY!!! You understand! I'm telling you man you have a problem with understanding.
So you agree with my statement that I had to repeat for you a dozen times and that I never changed or misquoted once, that yes, there can exist supernatural energy os the domain of science resp. for the birth of the universe. SOLD
@DreamStars21 I haven't recieved a response to your claim of KNOWLEDGE about these things apart from your 'if it can't be disproved' bullshit argument, otherwise yes I agree that ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE - but no I don't BELIEVE there can exist supernatural energy until I have proof proof that YOU have still not provided - unless you believe that your 'it can't be disproved argument is valid - in which case your'e a moron - a fact that I am rapidly coming to believe. Now I'm going to bed. Goodnight.
So, after failing to find my words that correspond with your claims, along with my clear, bold, and repeated contentions that I in fact do not know those things, you would still like to think that I believe something I really do not believe. I'm sorry you won't see reality. Believe as you wish.
I'm starting to think you're just repeating this because you want to mess with me, and if so, bravo man, you really got me... LoL... I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW IT IS ONLY POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW ONLY IT IS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW IT IS ONLY POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW ONLY IT IS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW IT IS ONLY POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW ONLY IT IS POSSIBLE.
@DreamStars21 So now you DON'T KNOW again - now your'e back to brilliant philosophical argument that IT'S POSSIBLE - well ofcourse it's fucking POSSIBLE - but you didn't SAY that YOU said YOU KNEW! You slimy git - the truth is you don't really grasp the issues here at all, you paint yourself into a corner and then when you realise that you can't defend uour position you go back to the WELL ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE bullshit. I wasn't arguing with the fact that anythings possible was I? CONT
@trifelgeputinage I agree that ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE - I want to know how you can claim to KNOW - which you DID claim - go back and read your comments. There's a big difference between saying I KNOW something and saying something is POSSIBLE. Saying something is possible is simply a truism - we've been here before remember - IT'S POSSIBLE THERE ARE FAIRIES IN MY GARDEN, but I don't BELIEVE anything without PROOF. Saying something can't be disproved doesn't constitute fucking proof! Jesus wept!
Why did I repeat so many times? And I have to say fucling windup merchant is hilarious, is that a common phrase for you Brits?Listen monkey suckling filly willow lol... You keep saying the wrong thing. I DON'T KNOW IT. I KNOW ONLY THAT IT'S POSSIBLE. How do I know it's possible? Because I know what is not proven impossible, is still possible. Can man fly by jumping off a cliff? No, it's been proven he cannot - his weight is too heavy and has no wings for lift.
@DreamStars21 'Do you think that I know there is something outside the realm of science'
Oh my giddy aunt Mary! Of course I think that - you just fucking wrote it several times - do I have to quote every comment you made concerning it? You know very well that you are claiming that there are ways of knowing about the origins of the universe besides science and that you know there is 'mystical energy' - but all you can provide by way of evidence is that these things have not been disproven!
@DreamStars21 Here's what you SAID below - you even spelt it out:
'What I do K-N-O-W is that there C-A-N exist energy and other things that stand outside the domain of science.'
So unless you want to claim that someone else wrote that using your name then I am calling you either a liar or a moron. Nowhere in that sentence is there the word POSSIBLY - do you see the word POSSIBLY? No? The reason why I thought you were claiming knowledge, you see, is that YOU - THAT'S - YOU- WROTE THOSE WORDS!
I know because no one has proven the origin of the universe. I know because it has not been disproved. Don't say Oh yea, ice cream can flow, from someone's ears, that hasn't been disproved. Well no one cares if ice cream flows! We care where we came from. And we have to look at all possibilities. To think the beginning of everything is gonna say, wait, let me make sure I stay within the rules of physics before I begin, is to confine yourself to ignorance. That's how I know SE is a possibility.
@DreamStars21 Sorry but knowing something based on the idea that it hasn't been disproven doesn't constitute proof, because in that case we would all KNOW that fairies existed, we would all KNOW that Santa existed - afterall nobody has disproved it have they? Whether or not we care about ice cream isn't the issue it's about truth and how we discern it - you have not demonstrated any KNOWLEDGE -just an opinion based on the ridiculous idea that if it hasn't been disproven it MUST BE TRUE! CONT
@trifelgeputinage Indeed the fact that we DO care about the origins of the universe makes it all the more important that we have GOOD reason for believing things - to believe something because it hasn't been disproven is assinine and I'm surprised that you don't understand that. The analogy with fairies or the lochness monster or anyhting else weird and wonderful is a fair comparison. By your own logic youKNOW that they exist cos they ain't disproven'. Can't you see how crazy that is?
I know what you fucking said - and I asked you already so many times to PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW - For fucks sake - are you completely retarded? I understand perfectly what you said - but you haven't managed to give ONE good reason as to HOW you know! so far despite my asking repeatedly you haven't given me ANY proof for ANY method other than science that can tell us anything about the origins of the universe ARE YOU GOING TO OR ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP DANCING AROUND THE QUESTION?
Wow, this is getting kinda funny because thankfully there is a record of everything I'm saying.To say, "I KNOW there CAN exist things that stand outside domain of science." Is not to say, "I KNOW there exist things that stand os the domain of science." Seriously, this is coming down to an English lesson, and shouldn't you be more adept than most being that you Are English? Focus on the sentence I wrote, then see how it's not what you think.
@DreamStars21 Ok so here's the insanity and I QUOTE:- ''To say I KNOW there CAN exist things that stand outside the domain of science' is NOT TO SAY 'I KNOW there exist things that stand outside of the domain of science'
And you want to lecture me about comprehension -? What the hell are you talking about? Would you care to explain what that means, - when I say explain I don't mean explain - I mean explain - CRAZY!
@trifelgeputinage yea, you said it right, it is not to say that. Yea, your comprehension is missing some core files. I'm telling you there's a record of it all so the more you fight it the sillier you're gonna look. Sorry (Bro). Whenever you're ready to move on I like how you are interested, I have a movie I want you to see. It's not about the abstract as much as what we are talking about. Rather it is about something quite important in terms of time and our current existence. will u watch?
@DreamStars21 Oh baby you are some fucling wind up merchant - you won't answer the question will you? Because you can't can you. You know very well I understand what you said - and I will repeat - you said that you KNOW that there is something that exists outside of science that can tell us about the origins of the universe and that there CAN exist energy that stands outside of the domain of science. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE. AGAIN - PERFECTLY SIMPLE QUESTION - ANSWER IT! CONT
@trifelgeputinage and sure I'll watch your video! Go watch the Atheist Experience show here on YT - there's lots of debate about just these kinds of issues - from quantum mysticism to creationism, well worth watching them all! Now are you going to give me evidence for the knowledge that you claim or are you going to accuse me of not understanding you AGAIN! If you claim to KNOW something you should be prepared to provide real evidence to back up your claim - otherwise it's just baseless.
So you KNOW that there are things that can explain the origins of the universe besides science because you can imagine 'creators' snapping their fingers and making cities appear. WOW! REALLY? That's your proof? IF we saw that happen. IF? And that proves that there's something better than science - that's how you KNOW? You said you KNEW! And that's how? Doesn't that sound insane to you? It does to me. How is that evidence for your knowledge? You made it up! Sorry but that's really lame.
Why must I catch you every time you make a false deduction of what are now simple statements? You see how what you claim I said is untrue? How can we have a healthy debate when you are falsely quoting me? I clearly said if I witnessed it, then it would be enough to say there are things that exist outside the domain of physics. I also said I know there CAN exist things that stand os it's domain. That means I believe there CAN, not DO but CAN exist these things.
@DreamStars21 I AM NOT falsely quoting you LIAR! You clearly said that you KNEW there was something that could tell us about the origins of the universe besides science, you DID! And then you said that your proof was the imaginary story you told about the 'creators snapping their fingers. How dare you keep telling me that I am misquoting you when you clearly said that! You started off claiming to be agnostic and now you say YOU KNOW! You don't seem to know what you believe or why!
@trifelgeputinage SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT STAND OUTSIDE THE DOMAIN OF PHYSICS THAT CAN EXPLAIN THE ORIGINS OF THE UNIVERSE? WHAT ARE THESE THINGS? YOU MADE THAT CLAIM - DON'T DENY IT - SO WHAT ARE THESE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW? I ASKED YOU THIS ALREADY AND YOU HAVEN'T REPLIED, NEITHER HAVE YOU DEFINED 'SUPERNATURAL ENERGY'
If we saw the city built at their snap, it would be enough to believe there are things outside the domain of physics. I love science, but I know there can exist things that stand outside the domain of science.
Those are my quotes word for word and here is your quote:
if you KNOW that there are things that stand outside of the domain of science then what ARE they
Dude, or is bloak better? It's a word we use. What I said was make an observation. To make an observation is not "something better than physics".They are different things. Physics uses observations to explain other things. I'm saying we can find truths about our origins by making a simple observation without the use of science. IE:science doesn't HAVE to be the tool with which we find answers to our origin.
@DreamStars21 Don't worry about the dude thing - I was only kidding! But if as you say there are simple observations that can tell us the truth about the origins of the universe that don't involve science then what are they - what simple observations have you made that tell you that there's something mystical (or indeed tell you ANYTHING) about the origins of the universe. Name one or two - or more if you can - I'd love to hear them! This could mean the Nobel prize for you!
I never made the claim that we know something better than science to explain the universe and we aren't using it. I think science is the best tool we have for figuring out the origin of the universe. You pulled this out of nowhere. I never made the claim to have to make the statement I just did. I love science, but I know there can exist things that stand outside the domain of science.
@DreamStars21 Then what was the point in making that stupid example then? I clearly asked you to show me something that could discern truth better than physics - you made the claim that science ISN'T the BE ALL AND END ALL - YOU SAID THAT! If you really believe that - then AGAIN - what have you got that is better? What REAL method? If you think science is the best tool then why say that it isn't the end all? If it isn't WHAT ELSE IS THERE? Besides your imaginary 'IF' scenario?
@trifelgeputinage Also if you KNOW that there are things that stand outside of the domain of science then what ARE they - I asked you to tell me that and you gave me a fictional story. So if you now claim to KNOW - then you are not AGNOSTIC - you are now suddenly a GNOSTIC! So come on then gnostic - how do you KNOW? Evidence please?
Didn't you ask me for an example of how we can find out truth without things like physics? Yes, ok then making an observation of a city being built at the snap of a finger does not involve physics, or science at all. If we did see something like that happen, i don't think science would be able to explain it. We would have to redefine science to explain it.
@DreamStars21 And if sixty feet tall snowmen appeared out of the sky and danced a little dance that made ice cream flow from Barack Obamas ears then we might have to redefine science, but lets get REAL - what is there in THE REAL WORLD - not in your imagination - but in the ACTUAL REAL WORLD that is better than science for discerning truth? And again - what IS supernatural energy - how is it different from Boogly Woogly?
DUDE, I said something that WOULD give answers to our origin. I never implied it was a proof! LoL come on!!! You asked what would be an example of something that explained our origins that didn't involve physics. I gave you an example of what Would if it happened. to illustrate that physics isn't the end all. We can make an observation of something as definite as that.
@DreamStars21 Oh come on Dudette! Now your'e being disingenuous! What was the point in giving me that example? I clearly asked you for a better method than science for discerning truth and you said you gave me an 'example' - obviously you didn't give me an example of anything REAL that is better than science for discerning truth, you gave me a science fiction story - what could that EVER prove? It doesn't illustrate something REAL that is better than physics AT ALL! Are you taking the piss?
@trifelgeputinage Dudette European Slave Washer! The example was to show that something other than physics can define our origins. Why? Because I said physics is not the end all for all things. Screw that example, make it ANY observation of something displaying the power of instant creation from an unknown source. Physics isn't the end all. That's y I said it. Did you get the message about the movie?
@DreamStars21 Are you really serious? Are you saying that something you just made up in your head is an example of how there is something better than science for discerning truth? How many ways do I have to say this - IT ISN'T REAL - and neither are the 'quantum mystical' ideas - there are lots of videos in which actual quantum physicists take issue with the wild and innacurate claims made by the people in the movie she's talking about - it's all a load of fantasy. Meanwhile in the REAL world..
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NO NO NO! Dude stop pulling stuff out of your arse! I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO COME FROM NOTHING. I HAVE NO CLUE! I SAID IT DOESN'T FOLLOW LOGIC FOR SOMETHING TO COME FROM NOTHING, As an example of why we should consider supernatural powers as being the birth of our universe. Try to understand what I just said - please- if you care and r really debating me. Cause I will certainly admit I am wrong if I am.
@DreamStars21 Look this is quite simple - you don't understand the distinction between belief and knowledge - I can't BELIEVE 2 contradictory things - BELIEF is different from KNOWLEDGE - Atheism is the BELIEF position I take on the existence of God - IDON'T BELIEVE GOD EXISTS BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVIDENCE - HOWVER Agnosticism is to do with KNOWLEDGE - I cannot claim to KNOW that God doesn't exist. How complicated is that? This whole thing revolves around you mixing belief and knowledge together.
@trifelgeputinage My fellow youtuber, this is NOT about me. It's about the topic of the origin of the universe and the chance that something mystical and magical created everything, which would go against physics, IE: energy being created. I engage with you to share opinions. I don't think you can disprove that statement. If you want to make this about purity of defining atheism vs. agnosticism, good luck because even dictionaries disagree with one another in them. Physics is not end all
@DreamStars21 Hey! Listen I never said that I could disprove your idea that there's a 'chance' that something 'mystical' created the universe, that would be as ridiculous as trying to disprove santa doesn't exist, but I do not BELIEVE in things for which there is no evidence - as an atheist I do not BELIEVE in the supernatural because I have SEEN NO EVIDENCE FOR IT. As an agnostic I don't claim to KNOW this isn't the case, IT MAY be - but as far as my beliefs go - I base them on evidence CONT
@trifelgeputinage Apologies for getting so wound up - it's frustrating with the 500 word limit - I'd have PM'd you if I'd known it was going to get so convoluted! Basically the whole thing boils down to understanding the difference between belief and knowledge. That's where the communication problems have arisen - hence the frustration. You don't really BELIEVE things based on no evidence do you? I don't think you do - however as an agnostic you don't discount other possibilities either? Snap!
@trifelgeputinage By the way - if physics isn't the end all then what other method for discerning truth do you suggest? As far as I'm aware science is the best method for deciding the truth or falsity of a proposition - you can BELIEVE what you want - but the truth is the truth - how else do we discover the facts of the matter? Prayer? Meditation? As far as I know there are no better methods for finding out truth than science. What else is there - what have you got?
@trifelgeputinage I was thinking of it. Well, if "the creators" came out, and stood on earth tonight, before us all and said, "Watch this:" and built a city with the snap of their fingers, I would say there is some proof of how we may have come to be. And that would be proof without physics. That's why supernatural energy is such a controversy because it seems so silly. Intellect allows for it's possibility, especially when trying to explain first origins.
@DreamStars21 I would agree with you - if such a thing happened that would be great evidence - BUT - it didn't! Until it does I will go on being an atheist. What is supernatural energy? You're positing the very thing that remains to be proven. What evidence is there that such a thing as supernatural energy exists - there is no controversy - there's the physical facts and then there's speculation with no evidence - what IS supernatural energy? if we can't examine it how can we know ANYTHING OF IT
@trifelgeputinage I gave you an example of how physics isn't the end all. Something that would prove an answer, that didn't use physics. Wow if I could prove supernatural energy then I would have the answer. It was an example you asked for. If we saw the city built at their snap, it would be enough to believe there are things outside the domain of physics.
@DreamStars21 What example? You gave me an imaginary scenario - IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - so that doesn't constitute evidence - nor does it constitute a better method for discerning truth that is better than science. IF such a thing REALLY happened then YES it would be evidence - BUT in the real world NO such thing has ever been witnessed. It would help if you could tell me what supernatural energy IS - since there is NO example of such a thing why do you mention it? CONT
@trifelgeputinage Before you can talk about something yiu need to be able to define it - how can you define something for which no example exists? Firstly define supernatural energy and then tell me where - ever has such a thing been found/observed and studied? You might as well be talking about Boogly Woogly - an incredible substance that performs wonders - no-one has ever seen it, but it might exist - I can't prove Boogly Woogly doesn't exist, but I feel that there must be Boogly Woogly!
Well, clearly whatever You are, does exist and it's certainly not me. I have my senses and know the responses are coming from a source outside of myself. Let me help ur simple mind understand my famous quote: I believe god doesn't exist, if and only if he is proven to not exist." What the F! does that mean!? See? you were wrong! Stop going against it! That is what YOU believe - You believe MY famous quote. Wake up!
I NEVER SAID WE CAN NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH. I Said the origin of the universe is beyond our reasoning and is unfathomable for us. That does not mean I think we can NEVER know the truth. We can know it when it is no longer beyond our reasoning and have tools to fathom it. Another example of how your "reasoning" is sometimes unreasoned.
It means I will be certain when proven it, but I must be PROVEN of it. You were wrong because I said I like blue, and you said I must therefore like red as well - WRONG!!!!!
@DreamStars21 Well ofcourse you'll be certain when it's PROVEN - so you must have proof that something cannot come from nothing - since you categorically believe that - you said so yourself - so unless you are going to shift your position again will you JUST ONE LAST TIME PLEASE SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING? Or at least tell me where the something that supposedly created everything came from? You seemed very sure about this earlier - SO PROOF PLEASE!
Are you the kind of person who will admit when the are wrong? I know that I am that kind of person. I like to grow and learn; make myself stand higher, not build a false world for myself. Look at your flawed reasoning: "["I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist"]..now you have to believe everything anyone tells you until you can prove it doesn't exist.."
Actually, no, this means, I believe, maybe your dinosaur exists, and maybe it does not.Hello?
@DreamStars21 You haven't understood half of what I've said - YOU seem to be obsessed with being right and trying to prove your non-argument about nothing. All your saying is that you accept the possibility that something 'mystical' MAY be behind the universe, but to make that point you have misunderstood the nature of atheism, of agnosticism, of the burden of proof, you use the argument from ignorance and so it goes on. Fuck you with your 'admit I'm wrong' you idiot I haven't made a claim!
@DreamStars21 You say MAYBE my dinosaur does exist - but in order to remain true to your own 'scientific rational logic' you ought to have said that you believe it exists until it's proven otherwise - THAT WAS WHAT YOU SAID! Now is that a dumb position to take? So now you have to prove to me that my dragon doesn't exist - HELLO? Patronising or what? Also you made the claim that we can never know the truth - are you going to finally back that up? How do you know we can never know? Hello?
The fairy example is great. See, I don't think you should dig in your garden to find them. IF however we didn't learn that plants flourish from the nutrients in the soil, then I would wonder how the blossom. However, I don't know how the Uni became, so I want to send a spaceship to research. Y do i say something came from nothing? Well, y don't you try to explain the alternative, PLEASE! :)
@DreamStars21 'I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist'
Then good luck, because now you have to believe everything anyone tells you until you can prove it doesn't exist. I have a magic dragon in my basement - do you believe me? Jesus came to forgive our sins - do you believe me? Mohammad is the one true prophet -etc - sure POSSIBLY they're all true - but do you believe in them? Do you believe in the God Zeus? If not you're an atheist by definition.
@trifelgeputinage I have been open minded throughout - I say it is ridiculous to BELIEVE things without evidence, I say that I agree with you that we cannot claim to KNOW. You are being closed minded when you claim that something cannot come from nothing - you are making a bald assertion with absolutely NO evidence to back it up. You also claim that these things are ultimately unknowbale - HOW CLOSED MINDED IS THAT! Jees, get real, do some reading, learn your terminology, your out of your depth
@trifelgeputinage It seems more like you're trying to end this debate with unrelated bs like me needing to do some reading. Y not stick to the facts. I am making the case for the supernatural magical mystical possibilities in the universe. You're goal was to prove that only calculus and physics can explain all of existence. I said something can't come from nothing because it is illogical. I've asked you to give the alternative to something not being able to come from nothing. So therefore,
@DreamStars21 You have consistently shown that you don't understand what agnostic means, what atheism means - you have failed to provide one shred of evidence for 'the supernatural' you clearly don't understand a thing about burden of proof. Also I never said only physics and calculus can explain all existence, Also you said that you believed everything until it has been disproved - clearly unsustainable. I HAVE giveN you an alternative to something coming from nothing - YOU have failed CONT
@trifelgeputinage to tell me where your 'creator' or whatever it is you want to call it came from. You have ignored the fact that I have said repeatedly that I don't dismiss ANY possibilty - just that I won't believe any claim without EVIDENCE - SO: ONE LAST TIME: You are making a positive claim that a) something cannot come from nothing, b) this means there must be a creator, either show me the evidence or stfu I'm tired of repeating myself - now address at least one question I have asked cont
@trifelgeputinage questions you haven't answered: do you believe me when I say I have a dragon in my basement, do you think I have to disprove that there are fairies at the bottom of my garden or otherwise I should believe they exist, do you believe in Santa/Allah/Jesus/ etc, - how do you define supernatural if you cannot point to ONE single example of a proven supernatural event ever anywhere. Answer these questions - because I am getting irritated that you have not addressed these valid points
@trifelgeputinage Oh just fuck off and get an education I've wasted enough time on you. One day in the future I hope you read the crap you've been spouting and realise what a complete fool you made of yourself, your argument is riddled with logical fallacies - the best thing I can suggest is that you go have a look at the debates on The Atheist Experience show - where you will hear all of the logical fallacies you have spouted being torn to shreds, argument from ignorance/burden of proof etc etc
@trifelgeputinage 'I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist' DID YOU SAY THAT? DID YOU? DID YOU? YES YOU FUCKING DID - NOW STOP WASTING MY TIME!!!!!!!!
@trifelgeputinage ACCORDING TO UR FLAWED F'D UP CORRUPTED CAN'T CALL IT REASONING LET'S CALL IT IMAGINATION, u can't be uncertain on the existence or nonexistence of something. Well then, you have just contradicted yourself when you said you think god may exist and you also think god may not exist. See, THAT, is a sound argument, which is PRECISELY what "I believe something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist." That means I believe it MAY and it MAY not = uncertain!!!!
@DreamStars21 Oh dear oh dear what are you talking about - 'you can't be uncertian on the existence or non existence of something?' what does that even mean? Your assertion is that something cannot come from nothing - I am simply asking you how do you know that? How many times do I have to ask you that simple question? You also said that ultimately we can never know the truth - how do you know that? You have changed your position to 'maybe it is maybe not' - but originally you said CONT
@trifelgeputinage 'I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist' which is another way of saying that you believe everything until it's been proven otherwise. So now your BIG clever argument is that you believe that it may exist and you also believe it may not exist - WOW - that's a deep philosophical position you have there, way to go. Ground breaking stuff. Actually I don't exist - you're typing to yourself - that MAY be true - it may NOT be true hmmm?
@trifelgeputinage since you don't believe that something can't come from nothing, you believe that something can come from nothing. You seem to be debating me just to debate. My claim that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist is the most purely scientific statement anyone can make. You falsely deduced that therefore I believe in everything until proven otherwise. No! It doesn't mean that! It means I neither believe in it or disbelieve in it. Your ded rsng sux
@DreamStars21 YOU made the claim that something can't come from nothing you fucking idiot! YOU are making the calim - the burden of proof lies with you! How do you KNOW something cannot come from nothing - because IN YOUR OPINION it is illogical - well the universe doesn't care about your opinion and neither does science - which is concerned with discerning truth - not idle speculation. If you want to believe EVERYTHING until it has been disproven you're a fucking muppet! CONT
@trifelgeputinage For the third time, my claim that something can't come from nothing is a statement to show you that there CAN BE supernatural elements; things we've never seen, heard, tasted, touched smelled! You like to get aggressive, that's not gonna shut the fact up that you are a poor extractor of meaning from statements. Yeah, the statements are above 6th grade reading levels, and therefore above 90% of earth, but it claims more that your arguments are less credible.
Therefore, if you want to be thorough, scientific, and logical, you Must allow for the possibility that yes, there may be a god, there may be 17 gods, there may just be magical energy, but there may exist infinity. So to obsess about the word supernatural, or magical, or otherworldly, or divine energy is like sitting in a sinking ship and freaking out about one single drop of water that's about to fall on deck, for fear that it will be the sole cause for the crew's death. NeTHING IS POSSIBLE nEt
@DreamStars21 What you say has nothing to do with being scientific or logical - science and logic are the best methods for determining truth, so far not one shred of scientific evidence has been put forward to support the idea of a creator, what we do know is the our universe began with a singularity. It MAY be that God did that, it MAY be that Santa Claus did it, it may be that the flying spaghetti monster did it - but without evidence it's all just meaningles speculation.
You are making a claim that we will never know! You are making a claim that something cannot come from nothing! You are claiming that there must be a creator! What kind of an agnostic is that? Show me your evidence that these things you claim are true? That's what I want to see - until then I am an atheist that's from the Greek Theos God 'A' - NONE. Until I have any reason to believe in a creator why should I believe? However I remain agnostic since I may be wrong and evidence MAY show up.
@trifelgeputinage In short I am an agnostic atheist - whilst you are a gnostic - you claim to know that we can never know and that there is a creator!. Atheism isn't a belief - it's a rejection of positive claims that a creator or God(s) exist. You have demonstrated that you don't understand the terms gnostic or atheist at all. I am atheist because I don't see any reason to believe that a God exists but an agnostic in that I don't claim to know that for sure, I remain open minded - unlike You!
@trifelgeputinage I'm actually saying, how can something come from nothing? Therefore mayBE it IS possible that there IS a divine creator. How could natural physics explain something as ridiculous as something coming from nothing. I have been the most open minded one throughout. You have simply switched sides and joined mine. You were saying at the beginning that anything supernatural is absurd and ridiculous. I have been showing you how the only absurd is believing absurd is not possible.
@DreamStars21 And Im saying we don't know that something came from nothing - that's just your assumption! Otherwise I am saying that I agree with you it is POSSIBLE that there's divine creator, absolutely, it's also possible that there are fairies at the bottom of my garden - but until there's any evidence to back either of those claims up I am an atheist and an a-fairyist - unless you think I should go digging around trying to DISPROVE that there are fairies there!
@DreamStars21 Also why is something coming from nothing ridiculous when we don't really know what 'nothing' is! If something created everything then what created that something? You have an infinite regress on your hands if you go down that route! If you say that this something ALWAYS existed in reply to that then I say that the universe may have ALWAYS existed, going from Big Bang and back again eternally. That's all just speculation. Again - what's wrong with 'we don't know yet?'
Saying 'it's supernatural' is just the same as saying God did it - it doesn't explain anything, what IS supernatural - all you have said is that supernatural as an explanation is fine because we don't know. Physicists are finding out things all the time that deepen our understanding of these issues and we may indeed know at some stage - UNTIL THEN I SAY AGAIN 'I DON'T KNOW' - that's an agnostic position - calling it 'supernatural' doesn't explain anything - what's wrong with 'I don't know?'
WHO TOLD YOU THAT SUPERNATURAL MEANS THAT god DID IT? If you're looking for truth, understand your tools for defining it. Supernatural is a compound word meaning super (extra) natural (the observable world). My argument is that at the core of creation, and yes, you can't deny there was creation, something unfathomable occurred. Something came from nothing. As many times as you try to brush off that statement as not being important is how many times I'll continue to bring it up.
@DreamStars21 I'm sorry - but you clearly haven't understood anything I said - your'e quibbling about me using the phrase God did ti to sum up your position and then you go on to say almost exactly that! 'Creation' implies a creator - who says something came from nothing - how do you that something hasn't always existed? What evidence do you have that there's a creator? Something unfathomable? How arrogant is that - you KNOW that it's unfathomable! That's not agnostic! CONT
I allow myself to believe whatever it is that can be proven. You don't allow yourself. You have conditioned yourself to believe only what fits into your small box. You seem more like an atheist - a belief that is as silly as believing in Santa Clause or one of the 3 major religions. We both agree that we don't know all the answers, but you try to force what it CAN'T be. You can't PROVE to me that gods don't exist. And you can't prove that gods aren't some magical energy that flows unbound.
@DreamStars21 Also you say that you allow yourself to believe whatever can be proven - clearly you don't since you have stated that ultimately it's all unfathomable and that something cannot come from nothing! Where IS your proof of these statements? You say you believe what can be proven - so PROVE that there's a creator and prove that it's all unfathomable.
of other things - like pain and hunger and drink and drugs and people and....how does believing in things without any evidence constitute living naturally or enhance my perception of colour etc? You sound like a Christian wanting to know how I can live without God's moral law to guide me. If you do have any real evidence to show there's more to existence then please share it, otherwise you are engaging in wishful thinking like every other theist who needs a Sky Daddy to make them feel special.
@trifelgeputinage If you study history before newton, Gravity Was considered something supernatural. Most people thought that things stayed on the earth because of some divine/beyond natural explanation. Gravity is an amazing thing. If you lived in London in the middle ages, and saw a person talking in real time with another in china, there's no doubt you would call that supernatural communication. The speakers clearly would have supernatural powers. Later science would explain it.
@DreamStars21 Exactly my point - there is no evidence for the existence of ANYTHING supernatural - people call things supernatural because they really don't understand what lies behind certain phenomenon - just like this 'quantum mysticism' - just because we don't know what happened 'before' the Big Bang is no reason to posit a supernatural explanation at all. How do you get from - people once believed gravity was supernatural to - therefore it WAS supernatural?~! Beliefs are not facts!
I actually wrote, "Atheism is not real. Agnostic is the only option." Agnostic means, you're of the belief that we are not able to know - A (without) Knossos (knowing). It's from Greek. How can time not exist? How can NOTHING exist? How can u negate space? It's something supernatural. Beyond nature. If there can ever be something, there must be some other thing for that something to physically exist in. You can't disagree w/that unless u think things can exist only in imagination. Like imgnry #s
@DreamStars21 I'm an agnostic too! How can time not exist? How can NOTHING exist? We don't know - yet, maybe it's the human condition NEVER to know - because we simply don't have the perceptual or cognitive faculties to know, Kant showed that space and time are PART of our perception -innate faculties - a product of our intellects if you like -(Critique of Pure Reason) - it's possible that there are multiverses or other dimensions of reality, but until there's evidence - 'I don't know' CONT
Hey! Check out the critiques of 'What The Bleep Do We Know' - basically it has very little to do with quantum physics - Matt Dillahunty explains this very well on 'The Atheist Experience' - all these 'quantum' spirituality ideas are pretty bogus when you scrape the surface. I used to be into all kinds of 'spiritual' ideas - I still think Buddhism and related kins of thought are useful - especially in terms of promoting good mental health - but 'spirituality' I now view as a meaningless word.
@trifelgeputinage Wow, what a boring life. You have no passions the way you talk. Logic is not divorced from spirituality, rather spirituality is reinforced by logic. Going by your values your diet must consist of cardboard boxes seasoned with rain water because it's high in fiber. We are human beings - we are full of life. We are not electronic computer boards shelled in a plastic casing. Our minds are stimulated by colours, they're not just a numbered pixel .gif count. Get natural, get human
So pretty and such a crappy attitude. I was drawn to your vids because of your beauty but pitty you now. Your negative vibes invite more negativity. You probably never really suffered any real pain, loss of several loved ones in a short span of time, watch a Grandfather deteriorate from Alzheimer, watch a Mother go slowly insane, watch friends die of cancer, unemployment, homelessness, etc. Grow up before life really starts hurting. Life will never be your perfect little utopia.
You're really great. Atheism is not real. Agnostic is the only option. There was a time when there was nothing, then there was a time when there was something. Nothing happens without a cause. Therefore something caused our existence. But what created this creator? That's where we say, "It's paradoxical and beyond our capacity for understanding, or we haven't discovered it yet." Supernatural means beyond our current knowledge of physics. Yet our knowledge of it is soaring+,+,+.. E=mc2:Energy*+*+
@DreamStars21 How do you know there was a time when there was just nothing - and since when did anyone claim that something came from nothing? That certainly isn't the view of physicists. Supernatural doesn't mean 'beyond our current knowledge' - since nobody has ever demonstrated that anything supernatural has ever happened, E=mc2 isn't supernatural! We don't know all the answers but that doesn't mean we can posit any old bullshit to fill in the gaps. 'Don't know' means just that.
@trifelgeputinage Hmm... interesting reply. First, thx for engaging - we all need to debate more so we're more confident about our conclusions. Second, yes, that IS the paradigm of modern physics. It's called The Big Bang Theory, which, third, IS supernatural. The birth of the Universe, which is known as everything everywhere, is that fourth, supernatural thing you're afraid to acknowledge. It shall remain supernatural until it can be understood by the laws of physics we know today.
@DreamStars21 I'm afraid you don't understand Big Bang if you think that it says something came from nothing and science has nothing to say about the 'suernatural' that is left to mystics and religion - BB has NOTHING to do with the supernatural, it explains that the origins of our universe lie at the singularity - it makes no real sense to speak of a 'before' since time itself began with the BB. Clearly you are using the word 'supernatural' in place of 'we don't know' - was gravity CONT
@trifelgeputinage supernatural before Newton? Why does anything I say mean I have no passion. I didn't say anything about how I feel about life or how I live it, life is FAR from boring, why would believing in ghosts and assorted 'supernatural' ideas make it more exciting? What does 'get natural' mean? I'm a mammal. your're a mammal. when I die I die, have you get any evidence to suggest that we are more than biological machines? My mind too is stimulated by colours as well as lots of CONT
Optimism and pessimism are logical fallacies. However, objectively speaking, the world is a monstrously cruel place. Suffering massively outweighs pleasure (globally speaking). We ought to feel annihilated and upset on an intellectual level.
@Decky11 But honestly, try to be more in the world? It really helps. Friends, family, its, so important. As much as we can fall in love and be happy, we can fall out of it and be sad. It takes time to reach that balance again?
But believe me, how you feel now is not static, it will change, maybe try reading up on philosophy, travel, learn a new skill.
@Decky11 I dont believe in any organised religon, and I dont consider myself an athiest, I dont really much labels, except for being called a human being :)
My point is, maybe youtube isnt the best place to get opinions from? Real life, socialising, would probably be healthier and more honest? Yutube, has been coined as the sewer of the internet.
I feel the same kinda though, as you do, but thats because my gf passed away not too long ago. I'm not sure how to 'become me' again.
You don't need quantum physics to understand the world. Or it would be unfair. All what is needed is a revelation from God, a prophet to explain his message, and the personal effort to understand, meditate and have faith. Don't think that you are too smart then previous human generations and don't try to explain the world as you want.
Atheist? if humans and environment are suffering because of humans, then there is no God? Still who created environment and humans? who make the sum rise and the rain fall? It is stupid to deny God because of the status quo of the world.
God ever said life is test, a battle between good and evil, not a paradise.
From the creed of humanity, God warned of an end of the world and a day of judgment. So, when things go wrong it just means that the end is near.
I think cynicism & pessimism are very alike, cynicism comes from experience & knowledge & isnt such a bad thing, it can often cause pessimism. Im an athiest & agree theres lots of things people dont understand right now (look at electricity 200 years ago) & im sure in 200yrs time there will me things taken for granted we dont understand now.I love mysterys, always have but always try to look at things logically where possible (where science fails, logic still goes on lol)
How many atheists do you know, that you can say that 'atheists are pessimistic about the world and life in general'? You say you are an atheist, and maybe YOU are pessimistic, but all the atheists I know, that would be 7, are more optomistic than most theists I know.
Also, why do you think there is a purpose in life other than procreation and/or educating the next generation?
It seems you are a much different atheist than I am
(AP) — A wide-ranging study on American religious life.
Fifteen percent of respondents said they had no religion, an increase from 14.2 percent in 2001 and 8.2 percent in 1990.
Northern New England surpassed the Pacific Northwest as the least religious region, with Vermont reporting the highest share of those claiming no religion, at 34 percent. Still, the study found that the numbers of Americans with no religion rose in every state.
Good video. I'm reminded of something that Sam Harris said about the difference between spirituality and religion, about how in our modern world it would be ridiculous to say "Muslim Algebra" although it was a Muslim who invented algebra or "Christian Calculus" though the developers were Christian. He goes on to say that in the same way someday it will be equally ridiculous to say Christian/Muslim/Jewish/etc spirituality.
I think the way the 'power of attraction' stuff is couched in a way that is really unpalatable to the scientifically minded.I am an atheist and an optimist. I have a vid on this actually
I think there is a way to discuss positive thinking, having an empowered attitude towards your own life does not require the metaphysics you are engaging in.
I don't think you are going to find much of the sort of support you seek... this may not be the best venue..dominated as it is by those that wish to pwn
Us as individuals. Know the the truth! We decide the truth within our self. The truth in our own reality's... The truth we accept. Is generally seen by those around us as truth. Which is a form of belief. Or attraction for those fully understanding what that means. Belief is truth. However belief is as real as the thoughts that bind them. And when considering as you do, that the physical, what we see is real. Then how real is our thoughts.... ?
Oh boy. I don't think you are crazy, but I do think that you need to re-examine some of the stuff you're getting into with a critical eye. Remember that open-mindedness is not just about being open to unusual ideas, but about being open to questioning whether ideas you find attractive are actually true. I would recommend to you that you also search and read material critical of the ideas of the "law of attraction" and other such notions - you cannot really fairly make up your mind about...
...a subject if you've only really heard one side of it. There's too much in the subjects you raise to address in comments, but I do hope you take my advice and spend a little time on researching this stuff critically. A good starting point would be to aquire some tools fo critical thinking, and for that I can think of no better resource than a YouTuber by the name of "QualiaSoup". His videos are very thoughtful, and informative, and I do think you might even enjoy them. Best wishes to you.
youre pretty cute...you need to stop being so negative and start showing off that sexy body more...if you had more dick in your life...you would love life more...
One final note. I am an atheist and a person that has a spiritual nature. I am constantly looking for things to extend the meaning of who I am and extend the edges of my universe. it is just that I have realized that there is an awful lot of shiny trash along side the road to wisdom that can distract you from the truth and people will gladly sell it to you, if for no other reasons than to validate their folly.
Critical thinking is not a closed minded position, it is a position that considers all available evidence and tries to separate things into three categories, right, wrong, and we don't know. You might think calling things wrong might be closed minded but it keeps you from getting tied to ideas that close your mind to others and saves time, money and energy. Check out:
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Sadly, "What the bleep" is snake-oil which misrepresents QM.
I asure you, that pessimism have nothing to do with atheism. It´s really about person. For example, I´m atheist and i´m positivistic a lot :-). And you´re not crazy....that´s for sure too ;-) Bye
Hi there Decky. Interesting observation. In short : rationalists are usually reductionists. Reductionists are analytical. Analysis dissects everything. Which means that there is nothing left when you're done. That's why they're pessimists. Life is a Dream and is always beyond any analysis of it, which is why spirituality will always be more important to people's minds and hearts. Pessimism is inevitable for reductionists. Nature is not reductionist. Embrace nature - including your soul. Peace.
I was once in your place. I wouldn't say I am an atheist, because the problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. I definitely do not believe in God, and I am very anti-religion, because I believe it's just blindness, and sets up barriers in peoples lives. Anyways, I am very positive, even in the world we live in. I think we are energy workers, working dilligently. There is no 'real' purpose I don't believe, but to love your friends and family and try and connect with like minds. PEACE
That is true. I should have re-worded what I said. I am against all religions because they are fear driven. And I think people need to understand more about the universe and they will not need to worship anything anymore. People should worship themselves, discover themselves... not rely on invisible product, and superstitions.
I never intend to offend anyone with my opinions, I just have very strong opinions against organized religions.
This world is filled with assholes who are intentionaly made into ignorant assholes who's only purpose in life is to get what they want and they can't make any connections with a higher purpose because they are self obssesed and cannot realize anything outside of what they are told by the tv. And yes we are victims of humanities flaws mostly. Whats wrong with understanding this beside its ugly, Decky? The world needs to help its self thru introspection and cultural evaluation, not toxification
Hi. Just happened across your video. Interesting that you're an atheist who is into spirituality.
When you talk about pessimism I'm not sure that's something that's characteristic of atheists. It might seem that way when they're forced to defend their right to freedom from religion, but in all other aspects of their life they're like anyone else. They have good days and bad.
Regarding skepticism, which maybe you're mistaking for pessimism/cynicism, it is a valuable self-defence mechanism that protects us from becoming victims.
I remember watching What The Bleep, not knowing what it was about. I was intrigued by the introduction on quantum mechanics. But once it got to water memory I realised I was being hoodwinked. They were using the age old "bait and switch" method. Hook people with some truth, then you're ready to work the con.
I've made some inroads to being a multidimensional architect of who I choose to be. I am feeling more whole than ever. I have found that pessimism is bullshit because of my experience with it. I have started to follow my highest joy with integrity. It takes many forms. Darkness and negativity is just information about something that is not aligned with the truth that is composed of truths. Pessimism is a way to stay stuck to the darkness while not letting in the light.
When the experiment is done by itself you have this interference as if the particle acts as a wave, but when we observe it it acts as a singe particle and people assume that it is because we (the people) are watching that it has collapse from a function to a defined particle. What people fail to realize is that we are not directly observing. To observe an electron you need a magnetic field. It is this magnetic field that acts on the particle. This misconception skews the real science
I also have to say I don't see why so many people equate contemporary quantum physics with the new age type of mentality. I have seen What the Bleep, and the connection the film tries to make between the observer and actually having some sort of conscious control over the surrounding word (outside of physical contact of course) has never been adequately demonstrated. In fact, to make a specific case, the double slit experiment is often misrepresented to show that we somehow have an effect.
You asked what pessimism does for you and then associated it directly with having a closed mind and hating life.
First, I find the relationship you have suggested to be wrong. I am often a pessimistic person, but I far from hate my life and I certainly don't think anyone (accept for closed-minded religious people) would call me closed minded.
Second, I find that pessimism is not by necessity a negative thing, it inspires action to make change and preparedness for the worst case scenario.
There is probably much more than man realizes he doesn't know that man doesn't know. But there is a difference in exploring the unknown and discrediting the known. Some unfortunately don't make this distinction. I love this quote by Barnard College:
"Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."
Oh, and life is short be happy and pick your battles. :-)
I've been extremely pessimistic lately, though, so I'm trying to let some of your optimism rub off on me, because "hating your life", as you point out, isn't (I'll speak for myself) doing me any good =)
I bet you that someday we (or someone else perhaps) will look back on "science" and we'll start to question it in the same way that so many of us are questioning theism in recent times :: I bet that the seemingly-solid tenets of science will seem, someday, to some people, as questionable as some of us think the tenets of theism seem now
I think that science is the new religion in the sense that both, in their own times, were state-of-the art responses to our inability (but need and desire) to answer the questions about why we are here and what is going on :: the language of science today sounds so authoritative that some people use the *language-style* of science to make it sound like science can explain everything, including religion/spirituality :: but I think they're both paradigms essentially on equal footing
You are doing a great job making your videos. I really like your videos.
sandrisjaudzems 1 month ago
3:23/5:58 of your video:
"What does being pessimist really do for you" you ask. I would say- What does being atheist really do for you? I think to be atheist inevitably leads to being pessimist.
I believe that every thinking human being inevitably comes to that point in his life where he finds himself standing in front of necessity to believe in God, even if he can not find any obvious proof that God exists.
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royalsteven 2 months ago
don't let religion rob you of your connection with god. i am 100% non religious, but i feel the existence of god and i love it. my relationship with god has absolutely nothing to do with anybody elses opinion. what pessimists get from their viewpoint is an ego trip. which is a temporary and ultimately unfulfilling thing to seek.
garymccaffrey 4 months ago
@Decky11
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rmkinghorn 6 months ago
And please go to sleep, I'll patronize you with that. Go to bed, you really don't need to debate with me about this anymore.
Please send me the link for the video you want me to watch - here is the one I want you to watch:
First, type h t t p : / / w w w . youtube . com
then add this extension:
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YT for some reason won't allow the full link to be posted.
Sweet Dreams ~ may supernatural energy inspire you, jk... or am i...
ducling windup merchant lol..
DreamStars21 11 months ago
Dude chill out, I'm not writing my science and soundly deduced statements on a golden tablet and sending it out in space as the representation of humanities united beliefs of the origin of the universe. Everything I say passes through the rules of science and logic. You can't disprove my beliefs, but I succeeded in disproving yours. That's what this is all about - allowing options that really can be. You were bullying the possibility of something SN. Now you were forced to accept it.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Oh for Christ sake - I just read another of your fucking patronising comments. You haven't presented a logical argument for ANYTHING. You clearly still don't understand the issue of belief versus knowledge or you wouldn't have claimed that I contradicted myself, you haven't addressed the reply I made to that comment at all and yet you claim somehow you have 'disproved' my beliefs - which is to say I am an agnostic atheist and you don't seem to understand what that means even now!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
You dumb scaly wag! LoL You just contradicted yourself, and YAY for me!! It was done in the same sentence. You need some rest bloak, it is almost sunrise there!
In all seriousness, you're a lot off tonight - I'm sure you'll be feeling better in the morrow.
I leave you with what will now become an infamous quote, courtesy of Trifelgeputinage, and I quote:
"Yes I agree that ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE..."
"But, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE there CAN EXIST supernatural energy..."
LOL!!!
L&G, SE can exist-CC
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Jesus You still don't understand do you? What I believe and what I know are TWO separate things - ffs - this was the point about two fucking hours ago - why can't you get it What we believe is based on the evidence we have - what I KNOW is something different - there MAY be all sorts of things that are POSSIBLE - like supernatural fucking energy POSSIBLE - but I don't BELIEVE IT exists now because NOW there's no evidence -the point should be clear! You claimed to KNOW - come on!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 So in parting - you don't know for sure that spiritual energy exists, but you do know, IT MAY exist - but then it may NOT, there are other ways of knowing besides science - but the only example you can give is a fictional story and the fact that it hasn't been disproved. You don't believe in the ice cream monsters - because no-one cares about them, but you do believe in spiritual energy because everyone cares about the origins of the universe and therefore it's ok to believe crap.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 And you have the nerve to call me dumb. Tut tut. I've been very patient with your patronising bullshit, but really your'e not exactly au fait with the philosophy of science are you. You like to believe in nice mystical sounding ideas because it makes you feel good, but in reality you have no evidence whatsoever, just a load of what if's and anythings possibles. All your dancing around and that's it - ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE, no proof, or evidence, just a feeling you have. Brilliant.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage oh and one last thing - your room mates must be as dumb as you if they can't see the difference between belief and knowledge either. Believe me - if you ever read these comments in a few years when you've had a chance to develop your intellectual capacity you will see how totally fucking stupid you sound. Creators snapping their fingers indeed, anything's possible - but I K N O W that spiritual energy exists - because it hasn't been disproven. Fucking moronic.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Why won't your corrosive comments go to sleep already? My roommates read it yes and called you a dumb arsehole! WTF is wrong with you? I can type rude Shist too you fucing wind-up toy that should have been recalled! Stop fucing insulting and stick with the science. My statements are sound, and you do nothing but fail in reading comprehension and continually contradict yourself, sometimes twice in the same sentence. Clearly u can't admit when u r wrong ever! So STFU and G2HUSF
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 well I have insomnia and I don't give a shit what you're room mates think, if you don't think you've been disingenuous, plain wrong and patronising that's because you still don't understand - you haven't addressed or seemed to understand most of what I have said, therefore I will make a video response to these comments tomorrow and go through this entire head fuck properly. I really don't like being rude - but really you have asked for it, your statements are NOT sound, not at all!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 I'll get the link from you later - the Atheist Experience is easy to find - just type 'Atheist Experience' again - I don't mean to be that rude - but Jesus you wind me up because you clearly just don't get some simple points in relation to belief versus knowledge - you've got them both mixed up in your mind and you seem to think that saying ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE' jibes with 'I KNOW FOR SURE' AND 'I BELIEVE...' - this point was made ages ago yet you still confuse the issues! Aaaagh
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
I can't hide behind false claims - it's all written below! If this were a verbal discussion you would never figure this out. I have no chance arguing with what's written below! And guess what? Neither do you! Screw it man I don't care anymore. I read over my comments 50 times. I even had my roommate read over them too and they see you just can't understand or maybe ur too tense about the subject to see words on a screen and process them clearly. Send me ur video link, I'll send you mine!
DreamStars21 11 months ago
You asked me what could possibly prove something that didn't involve physics. I told you a ^&%%*$&* 100,000 times, you are stupid! LoL YAY!!! You understand! I'm telling you man you have a problem with understanding.
So you agree with my statement that I had to repeat for you a dozen times and that I never changed or misquoted once, that yes, there can exist supernatural energy os the domain of science resp. for the birth of the universe. SOLD
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 I haven't recieved a response to your claim of KNOWLEDGE about these things apart from your 'if it can't be disproved' bullshit argument, otherwise yes I agree that ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE - but no I don't BELIEVE there can exist supernatural energy until I have proof proof that YOU have still not provided - unless you believe that your 'it can't be disproved argument is valid - in which case your'e a moron - a fact that I am rapidly coming to believe. Now I'm going to bed. Goodnight.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
So, after failing to find my words that correspond with your claims, along with my clear, bold, and repeated contentions that I in fact do not know those things, you would still like to think that I believe something I really do not believe. I'm sorry you won't see reality. Believe as you wish.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
I'm starting to think you're just repeating this because you want to mess with me, and if so, bravo man, you really got me... LoL... I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW IT IS ONLY POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW ONLY IT IS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW IT IS ONLY POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW ONLY IT IS POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW IT IS ONLY POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE EXISTS SE. I KNOW ONLY IT IS POSSIBLE.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 So now you DON'T KNOW again - now your'e back to brilliant philosophical argument that IT'S POSSIBLE - well ofcourse it's fucking POSSIBLE - but you didn't SAY that YOU said YOU KNEW! You slimy git - the truth is you don't really grasp the issues here at all, you paint yourself into a corner and then when you realise that you can't defend uour position you go back to the WELL ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE bullshit. I wasn't arguing with the fact that anythings possible was I? CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage I agree that ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE - I want to know how you can claim to KNOW - which you DID claim - go back and read your comments. There's a big difference between saying I KNOW something and saying something is POSSIBLE. Saying something is possible is simply a truism - we've been here before remember - IT'S POSSIBLE THERE ARE FAIRIES IN MY GARDEN, but I don't BELIEVE anything without PROOF. Saying something can't be disproved doesn't constitute fucking proof! Jesus wept!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
Why did I repeat so many times? And I have to say fucling windup merchant is hilarious, is that a common phrase for you Brits?Listen monkey suckling filly willow lol... You keep saying the wrong thing. I DON'T KNOW IT. I KNOW ONLY THAT IT'S POSSIBLE. How do I know it's possible? Because I know what is not proven impossible, is still possible. Can man fly by jumping off a cliff? No, it's been proven he cannot - his weight is too heavy and has no wings for lift.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
What? Ok please answer this question:
Do you think that I think that I know there is something outside the realm of science?
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 'Do you think that I know there is something outside the realm of science'
Oh my giddy aunt Mary! Of course I think that - you just fucking wrote it several times - do I have to quote every comment you made concerning it? You know very well that you are claiming that there are ways of knowing about the origins of the universe besides science and that you know there is 'mystical energy' - but all you can provide by way of evidence is that these things have not been disproven!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
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@DreamStars21 Here's what you SAID below - you even spelt it out:
'What I do K-N-O-W is that there C-A-N exist energy and other things that stand outside the domain of science.'
So unless you want to claim that someone else wrote that using your name then I am calling you either a liar or a moron. Nowhere in that sentence is there the word POSSIBLY - do you see the word POSSIBLY? No? The reason why I thought you were claiming knowledge, you see, is that YOU - THAT'S - YOU- WROTE THOSE WORDS!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
I know because no one has proven the origin of the universe. I know because it has not been disproved. Don't say Oh yea, ice cream can flow, from someone's ears, that hasn't been disproved. Well no one cares if ice cream flows! We care where we came from. And we have to look at all possibilities. To think the beginning of everything is gonna say, wait, let me make sure I stay within the rules of physics before I begin, is to confine yourself to ignorance. That's how I know SE is a possibility.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Sorry but knowing something based on the idea that it hasn't been disproven doesn't constitute proof, because in that case we would all KNOW that fairies existed, we would all KNOW that Santa existed - afterall nobody has disproved it have they? Whether or not we care about ice cream isn't the issue it's about truth and how we discern it - you have not demonstrated any KNOWLEDGE -just an opinion based on the ridiculous idea that if it hasn't been disproven it MUST BE TRUE! CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Indeed the fact that we DO care about the origins of the universe makes it all the more important that we have GOOD reason for believing things - to believe something because it hasn't been disproven is assinine and I'm surprised that you don't understand that. The analogy with fairies or the lochness monster or anyhting else weird and wonderful is a fair comparison. By your own logic youKNOW that they exist cos they ain't disproven'. Can't you see how crazy that is?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
I know what you fucking said - and I asked you already so many times to PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW - For fucks sake - are you completely retarded? I understand perfectly what you said - but you haven't managed to give ONE good reason as to HOW you know! so far despite my asking repeatedly you haven't given me ANY proof for ANY method other than science that can tell us anything about the origins of the universe ARE YOU GOING TO OR ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP DANCING AROUND THE QUESTION?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
You are saying I know there exist things that stand outside the domain of science.
I do not know that.
I did not even say that.
What I did say I wrote for u almost 10 times already.
What I do K-N-O-W is that there C-A-N exist energy and other things that stand outside the domain of science.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW???
DreamStars21 11 months ago
Let's play a game:
Does:
"you KNEW there was something that could tell us about the origins of the universe besides science."
=
"I know there can exist things that stand outside the domain of science."
?
DreamStars21 11 months ago
Wow, this is getting kinda funny because thankfully there is a record of everything I'm saying.To say, "I KNOW there CAN exist things that stand outside domain of science." Is not to say, "I KNOW there exist things that stand os the domain of science." Seriously, this is coming down to an English lesson, and shouldn't you be more adept than most being that you Are English? Focus on the sentence I wrote, then see how it's not what you think.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Ok so here's the insanity and I QUOTE:- ''To say I KNOW there CAN exist things that stand outside the domain of science' is NOT TO SAY 'I KNOW there exist things that stand outside of the domain of science'
And you want to lecture me about comprehension -? What the hell are you talking about? Would you care to explain what that means, - when I say explain I don't mean explain - I mean explain - CRAZY!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage yea, you said it right, it is not to say that. Yea, your comprehension is missing some core files. I'm telling you there's a record of it all so the more you fight it the sillier you're gonna look. Sorry (Bro). Whenever you're ready to move on I like how you are interested, I have a movie I want you to see. It's not about the abstract as much as what we are talking about. Rather it is about something quite important in terms of time and our current existence. will u watch?
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Oh baby you are some fucling wind up merchant - you won't answer the question will you? Because you can't can you. You know very well I understand what you said - and I will repeat - you said that you KNOW that there is something that exists outside of science that can tell us about the origins of the universe and that there CAN exist energy that stands outside of the domain of science. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE. AGAIN - PERFECTLY SIMPLE QUESTION - ANSWER IT! CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage and sure I'll watch your video! Go watch the Atheist Experience show here on YT - there's lots of debate about just these kinds of issues - from quantum mysticism to creationism, well worth watching them all! Now are you going to give me evidence for the knowledge that you claim or are you going to accuse me of not understanding you AGAIN! If you claim to KNOW something you should be prepared to provide real evidence to back up your claim - otherwise it's just baseless.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
So you KNOW that there are things that can explain the origins of the universe besides science because you can imagine 'creators' snapping their fingers and making cities appear. WOW! REALLY? That's your proof? IF we saw that happen. IF? And that proves that there's something better than science - that's how you KNOW? You said you KNEW! And that's how? Doesn't that sound insane to you? It does to me. How is that evidence for your knowledge? You made it up! Sorry but that's really lame.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
Why must I catch you every time you make a false deduction of what are now simple statements? You see how what you claim I said is untrue? How can we have a healthy debate when you are falsely quoting me? I clearly said if I witnessed it, then it would be enough to say there are things that exist outside the domain of physics. I also said I know there CAN exist things that stand os it's domain. That means I believe there CAN, not DO but CAN exist these things.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 I AM NOT falsely quoting you LIAR! You clearly said that you KNEW there was something that could tell us about the origins of the universe besides science, you DID! And then you said that your proof was the imaginary story you told about the 'creators snapping their fingers. How dare you keep telling me that I am misquoting you when you clearly said that! You started off claiming to be agnostic and now you say YOU KNOW! You don't seem to know what you believe or why!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT STAND OUTSIDE THE DOMAIN OF PHYSICS THAT CAN EXPLAIN THE ORIGINS OF THE UNIVERSE? WHAT ARE THESE THINGS? YOU MADE THAT CLAIM - DON'T DENY IT - SO WHAT ARE THESE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW? I ASKED YOU THIS ALREADY AND YOU HAVEN'T REPLIED, NEITHER HAVE YOU DEFINED 'SUPERNATURAL ENERGY'
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
If we saw the city built at their snap, it would be enough to believe there are things outside the domain of physics. I love science, but I know there can exist things that stand outside the domain of science.
Those are my quotes word for word and here is your quote:
if you KNOW that there are things that stand outside of the domain of science then what ARE they
DreamStars21 11 months ago
Dude, or is bloak better? It's a word we use. What I said was make an observation. To make an observation is not "something better than physics".They are different things. Physics uses observations to explain other things. I'm saying we can find truths about our origins by making a simple observation without the use of science. IE:science doesn't HAVE to be the tool with which we find answers to our origin.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Don't worry about the dude thing - I was only kidding! But if as you say there are simple observations that can tell us the truth about the origins of the universe that don't involve science then what are they - what simple observations have you made that tell you that there's something mystical (or indeed tell you ANYTHING) about the origins of the universe. Name one or two - or more if you can - I'd love to hear them! This could mean the Nobel prize for you!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
I never made the claim that we know something better than science to explain the universe and we aren't using it. I think science is the best tool we have for figuring out the origin of the universe. You pulled this out of nowhere. I never made the claim to have to make the statement I just did. I love science, but I know there can exist things that stand outside the domain of science.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Then what was the point in making that stupid example then? I clearly asked you to show me something that could discern truth better than physics - you made the claim that science ISN'T the BE ALL AND END ALL - YOU SAID THAT! If you really believe that - then AGAIN - what have you got that is better? What REAL method? If you think science is the best tool then why say that it isn't the end all? If it isn't WHAT ELSE IS THERE? Besides your imaginary 'IF' scenario?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Also if you KNOW that there are things that stand outside of the domain of science then what ARE they - I asked you to tell me that and you gave me a fictional story. So if you now claim to KNOW - then you are not AGNOSTIC - you are now suddenly a GNOSTIC! So come on then gnostic - how do you KNOW? Evidence please?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
Didn't you ask me for an example of how we can find out truth without things like physics? Yes, ok then making an observation of a city being built at the snap of a finger does not involve physics, or science at all. If we did see something like that happen, i don't think science would be able to explain it. We would have to redefine science to explain it.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 And if sixty feet tall snowmen appeared out of the sky and danced a little dance that made ice cream flow from Barack Obamas ears then we might have to redefine science, but lets get REAL - what is there in THE REAL WORLD - not in your imagination - but in the ACTUAL REAL WORLD that is better than science for discerning truth? And again - what IS supernatural energy - how is it different from Boogly Woogly?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
DUDE, I said something that WOULD give answers to our origin. I never implied it was a proof! LoL come on!!! You asked what would be an example of something that explained our origins that didn't involve physics. I gave you an example of what Would if it happened. to illustrate that physics isn't the end all. We can make an observation of something as definite as that.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Oh come on Dudette! Now your'e being disingenuous! What was the point in giving me that example? I clearly asked you for a better method than science for discerning truth and you said you gave me an 'example' - obviously you didn't give me an example of anything REAL that is better than science for discerning truth, you gave me a science fiction story - what could that EVER prove? It doesn't illustrate something REAL that is better than physics AT ALL! Are you taking the piss?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Dudette European Slave Washer! The example was to show that something other than physics can define our origins. Why? Because I said physics is not the end all for all things. Screw that example, make it ANY observation of something displaying the power of instant creation from an unknown source. Physics isn't the end all. That's y I said it. Did you get the message about the movie?
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Are you really serious? Are you saying that something you just made up in your head is an example of how there is something better than science for discerning truth? How many ways do I have to say this - IT ISN'T REAL - and neither are the 'quantum mystical' ideas - there are lots of videos in which actual quantum physicists take issue with the wild and innacurate claims made by the people in the movie she's talking about - it's all a load of fantasy. Meanwhile in the REAL world..
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
I just got an e-mail about an amazing video you should really check it out. It's about us here today, what we're doing and where we might want to be going..... plz check.. you tube won't let me add the link here that is really strange... /watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w&feature=youtu.be
DreamStars21 11 months ago
Tell me what you think I disagree with you on.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
NO NO NO! Dude stop pulling stuff out of your arse! I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO COME FROM NOTHING. I HAVE NO CLUE! I SAID IT DOESN'T FOLLOW LOGIC FOR SOMETHING TO COME FROM NOTHING, As an example of why we should consider supernatural powers as being the birth of our universe. Try to understand what I just said - please- if you care and r really debating me. Cause I will certainly admit I am wrong if I am.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Look this is quite simple - you don't understand the distinction between belief and knowledge - I can't BELIEVE 2 contradictory things - BELIEF is different from KNOWLEDGE - Atheism is the BELIEF position I take on the existence of God - IDON'T BELIEVE GOD EXISTS BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVIDENCE - HOWVER Agnosticism is to do with KNOWLEDGE - I cannot claim to KNOW that God doesn't exist. How complicated is that? This whole thing revolves around you mixing belief and knowledge together.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage My fellow youtuber, this is NOT about me. It's about the topic of the origin of the universe and the chance that something mystical and magical created everything, which would go against physics, IE: energy being created. I engage with you to share opinions. I don't think you can disprove that statement. If you want to make this about purity of defining atheism vs. agnosticism, good luck because even dictionaries disagree with one another in them. Physics is not end all
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Hey! Listen I never said that I could disprove your idea that there's a 'chance' that something 'mystical' created the universe, that would be as ridiculous as trying to disprove santa doesn't exist, but I do not BELIEVE in things for which there is no evidence - as an atheist I do not BELIEVE in the supernatural because I have SEEN NO EVIDENCE FOR IT. As an agnostic I don't claim to KNOW this isn't the case, IT MAY be - but as far as my beliefs go - I base them on evidence CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Apologies for getting so wound up - it's frustrating with the 500 word limit - I'd have PM'd you if I'd known it was going to get so convoluted! Basically the whole thing boils down to understanding the difference between belief and knowledge. That's where the communication problems have arisen - hence the frustration. You don't really BELIEVE things based on no evidence do you? I don't think you do - however as an agnostic you don't discount other possibilities either? Snap!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage By the way - if physics isn't the end all then what other method for discerning truth do you suggest? As far as I'm aware science is the best method for deciding the truth or falsity of a proposition - you can BELIEVE what you want - but the truth is the truth - how else do we discover the facts of the matter? Prayer? Meditation? As far as I know there are no better methods for finding out truth than science. What else is there - what have you got?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage I was thinking of it. Well, if "the creators" came out, and stood on earth tonight, before us all and said, "Watch this:" and built a city with the snap of their fingers, I would say there is some proof of how we may have come to be. And that would be proof without physics. That's why supernatural energy is such a controversy because it seems so silly. Intellect allows for it's possibility, especially when trying to explain first origins.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 I would agree with you - if such a thing happened that would be great evidence - BUT - it didn't! Until it does I will go on being an atheist. What is supernatural energy? You're positing the very thing that remains to be proven. What evidence is there that such a thing as supernatural energy exists - there is no controversy - there's the physical facts and then there's speculation with no evidence - what IS supernatural energy? if we can't examine it how can we know ANYTHING OF IT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage I gave you an example of how physics isn't the end all. Something that would prove an answer, that didn't use physics. Wow if I could prove supernatural energy then I would have the answer. It was an example you asked for. If we saw the city built at their snap, it would be enough to believe there are things outside the domain of physics.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 What example? You gave me an imaginary scenario - IT DIDN'T HAPPEN - so that doesn't constitute evidence - nor does it constitute a better method for discerning truth that is better than science. IF such a thing REALLY happened then YES it would be evidence - BUT in the real world NO such thing has ever been witnessed. It would help if you could tell me what supernatural energy IS - since there is NO example of such a thing why do you mention it? CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Before you can talk about something yiu need to be able to define it - how can you define something for which no example exists? Firstly define supernatural energy and then tell me where - ever has such a thing been found/observed and studied? You might as well be talking about Boogly Woogly - an incredible substance that performs wonders - no-one has ever seen it, but it might exist - I can't prove Boogly Woogly doesn't exist, but I feel that there must be Boogly Woogly!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
Well, clearly whatever You are, does exist and it's certainly not me. I have my senses and know the responses are coming from a source outside of myself. Let me help ur simple mind understand my famous quote: I believe god doesn't exist, if and only if he is proven to not exist." What the F! does that mean!? See? you were wrong! Stop going against it! That is what YOU believe - You believe MY famous quote. Wake up!
DreamStars21 11 months ago
I NEVER SAID WE CAN NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH. I Said the origin of the universe is beyond our reasoning and is unfathomable for us. That does not mean I think we can NEVER know the truth. We can know it when it is no longer beyond our reasoning and have tools to fathom it. Another example of how your "reasoning" is sometimes unreasoned.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
It means I will be certain when proven it, but I must be PROVEN of it. You were wrong because I said I like blue, and you said I must therefore like red as well - WRONG!!!!!
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Well ofcourse you'll be certain when it's PROVEN - so you must have proof that something cannot come from nothing - since you categorically believe that - you said so yourself - so unless you are going to shift your position again will you JUST ONE LAST TIME PLEASE SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT SOMETHING CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING? Or at least tell me where the something that supposedly created everything came from? You seemed very sure about this earlier - SO PROOF PLEASE!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
Are you the kind of person who will admit when the are wrong? I know that I am that kind of person. I like to grow and learn; make myself stand higher, not build a false world for myself. Look at your flawed reasoning: "["I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist"]..now you have to believe everything anyone tells you until you can prove it doesn't exist.."
Actually, no, this means, I believe, maybe your dinosaur exists, and maybe it does not.Hello?
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 You haven't understood half of what I've said - YOU seem to be obsessed with being right and trying to prove your non-argument about nothing. All your saying is that you accept the possibility that something 'mystical' MAY be behind the universe, but to make that point you have misunderstood the nature of atheism, of agnosticism, of the burden of proof, you use the argument from ignorance and so it goes on. Fuck you with your 'admit I'm wrong' you idiot I haven't made a claim!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 You say MAYBE my dinosaur does exist - but in order to remain true to your own 'scientific rational logic' you ought to have said that you believe it exists until it's proven otherwise - THAT WAS WHAT YOU SAID! Now is that a dumb position to take? So now you have to prove to me that my dragon doesn't exist - HELLO? Patronising or what? Also you made the claim that we can never know the truth - are you going to finally back that up? How do you know we can never know? Hello?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
The fairy example is great. See, I don't think you should dig in your garden to find them. IF however we didn't learn that plants flourish from the nutrients in the soil, then I would wonder how the blossom. However, I don't know how the Uni became, so I want to send a spaceship to research. Y do i say something came from nothing? Well, y don't you try to explain the alternative, PLEASE! :)
DreamStars21 11 months ago
Let's clarify our points.
I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist.
Gods have not been proven impossible, therefore I believe gods may exist.
What are we debating here?
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 'I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist'
Then good luck, because now you have to believe everything anyone tells you until you can prove it doesn't exist. I have a magic dragon in my basement - do you believe me? Jesus came to forgive our sins - do you believe me? Mohammad is the one true prophet -etc - sure POSSIBLY they're all true - but do you believe in them? Do you believe in the God Zeus? If not you're an atheist by definition.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage I have been open minded throughout - I say it is ridiculous to BELIEVE things without evidence, I say that I agree with you that we cannot claim to KNOW. You are being closed minded when you claim that something cannot come from nothing - you are making a bald assertion with absolutely NO evidence to back it up. You also claim that these things are ultimately unknowbale - HOW CLOSED MINDED IS THAT! Jees, get real, do some reading, learn your terminology, your out of your depth
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage It seems more like you're trying to end this debate with unrelated bs like me needing to do some reading. Y not stick to the facts. I am making the case for the supernatural magical mystical possibilities in the universe. You're goal was to prove that only calculus and physics can explain all of existence. I said something can't come from nothing because it is illogical. I've asked you to give the alternative to something not being able to come from nothing. So therefore,
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 You have consistently shown that you don't understand what agnostic means, what atheism means - you have failed to provide one shred of evidence for 'the supernatural' you clearly don't understand a thing about burden of proof. Also I never said only physics and calculus can explain all existence, Also you said that you believed everything until it has been disproved - clearly unsustainable. I HAVE giveN you an alternative to something coming from nothing - YOU have failed CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage to tell me where your 'creator' or whatever it is you want to call it came from. You have ignored the fact that I have said repeatedly that I don't dismiss ANY possibilty - just that I won't believe any claim without EVIDENCE - SO: ONE LAST TIME: You are making a positive claim that a) something cannot come from nothing, b) this means there must be a creator, either show me the evidence or stfu I'm tired of repeating myself - now address at least one question I have asked cont
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage questions you haven't answered: do you believe me when I say I have a dragon in my basement, do you think I have to disprove that there are fairies at the bottom of my garden or otherwise I should believe they exist, do you believe in Santa/Allah/Jesus/ etc, - how do you define supernatural if you cannot point to ONE single example of a proven supernatural event ever anywhere. Answer these questions - because I am getting irritated that you have not addressed these valid points
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Oh just fuck off and get an education I've wasted enough time on you. One day in the future I hope you read the crap you've been spouting and realise what a complete fool you made of yourself, your argument is riddled with logical fallacies - the best thing I can suggest is that you go have a look at the debates on The Atheist Experience show - where you will hear all of the logical fallacies you have spouted being torn to shreds, argument from ignorance/burden of proof etc etc
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage 'I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist' DID YOU SAY THAT? DID YOU? DID YOU? YES YOU FUCKING DID - NOW STOP WASTING MY TIME!!!!!!!!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage ACCORDING TO UR FLAWED F'D UP CORRUPTED CAN'T CALL IT REASONING LET'S CALL IT IMAGINATION, u can't be uncertain on the existence or nonexistence of something. Well then, you have just contradicted yourself when you said you think god may exist and you also think god may not exist. See, THAT, is a sound argument, which is PRECISELY what "I believe something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist." That means I believe it MAY and it MAY not = uncertain!!!!
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Oh dear oh dear what are you talking about - 'you can't be uncertian on the existence or non existence of something?' what does that even mean? Your assertion is that something cannot come from nothing - I am simply asking you how do you know that? How many times do I have to ask you that simple question? You also said that ultimately we can never know the truth - how do you know that? You have changed your position to 'maybe it is maybe not' - but originally you said CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage 'I believe that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist' which is another way of saying that you believe everything until it's been proven otherwise. So now your BIG clever argument is that you believe that it may exist and you also believe it may not exist - WOW - that's a deep philosophical position you have there, way to go. Ground breaking stuff. Actually I don't exist - you're typing to yourself - that MAY be true - it may NOT be true hmmm?
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage since you don't believe that something can't come from nothing, you believe that something can come from nothing. You seem to be debating me just to debate. My claim that something doesn't exist if and only if it has been proven to not exist is the most purely scientific statement anyone can make. You falsely deduced that therefore I believe in everything until proven otherwise. No! It doesn't mean that! It means I neither believe in it or disbelieve in it. Your ded rsng sux
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 YOU made the claim that something can't come from nothing you fucking idiot! YOU are making the calim - the burden of proof lies with you! How do you KNOW something cannot come from nothing - because IN YOUR OPINION it is illogical - well the universe doesn't care about your opinion and neither does science - which is concerned with discerning truth - not idle speculation. If you want to believe EVERYTHING until it has been disproven you're a fucking muppet! CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage For the third time, my claim that something can't come from nothing is a statement to show you that there CAN BE supernatural elements; things we've never seen, heard, tasted, touched smelled! You like to get aggressive, that's not gonna shut the fact up that you are a poor extractor of meaning from statements. Yeah, the statements are above 6th grade reading levels, and therefore above 90% of earth, but it claims more that your arguments are less credible.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
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DreamStars21 11 months ago
Therefore, if you want to be thorough, scientific, and logical, you Must allow for the possibility that yes, there may be a god, there may be 17 gods, there may just be magical energy, but there may exist infinity. So to obsess about the word supernatural, or magical, or otherworldly, or divine energy is like sitting in a sinking ship and freaking out about one single drop of water that's about to fall on deck, for fear that it will be the sole cause for the crew's death. NeTHING IS POSSIBLE nEt
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 What you say has nothing to do with being scientific or logical - science and logic are the best methods for determining truth, so far not one shred of scientific evidence has been put forward to support the idea of a creator, what we do know is the our universe began with a singularity. It MAY be that God did that, it MAY be that Santa Claus did it, it may be that the flying spaghetti monster did it - but without evidence it's all just meaningles speculation.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
You are making a claim that we will never know! You are making a claim that something cannot come from nothing! You are claiming that there must be a creator! What kind of an agnostic is that? Show me your evidence that these things you claim are true? That's what I want to see - until then I am an atheist that's from the Greek Theos God 'A' - NONE. Until I have any reason to believe in a creator why should I believe? However I remain agnostic since I may be wrong and evidence MAY show up.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage In short I am an agnostic atheist - whilst you are a gnostic - you claim to know that we can never know and that there is a creator!. Atheism isn't a belief - it's a rejection of positive claims that a creator or God(s) exist. You have demonstrated that you don't understand the terms gnostic or atheist at all. I am atheist because I don't see any reason to believe that a God exists but an agnostic in that I don't claim to know that for sure, I remain open minded - unlike You!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage I'm actually saying, how can something come from nothing? Therefore mayBE it IS possible that there IS a divine creator. How could natural physics explain something as ridiculous as something coming from nothing. I have been the most open minded one throughout. You have simply switched sides and joined mine. You were saying at the beginning that anything supernatural is absurd and ridiculous. I have been showing you how the only absurd is believing absurd is not possible.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 And Im saying we don't know that something came from nothing - that's just your assumption! Otherwise I am saying that I agree with you it is POSSIBLE that there's divine creator, absolutely, it's also possible that there are fairies at the bottom of my garden - but until there's any evidence to back either of those claims up I am an atheist and an a-fairyist - unless you think I should go digging around trying to DISPROVE that there are fairies there!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Also why is something coming from nothing ridiculous when we don't really know what 'nothing' is! If something created everything then what created that something? You have an infinite regress on your hands if you go down that route! If you say that this something ALWAYS existed in reply to that then I say that the universe may have ALWAYS existed, going from Big Bang and back again eternally. That's all just speculation. Again - what's wrong with 'we don't know yet?'
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
Saying 'it's supernatural' is just the same as saying God did it - it doesn't explain anything, what IS supernatural - all you have said is that supernatural as an explanation is fine because we don't know. Physicists are finding out things all the time that deepen our understanding of these issues and we may indeed know at some stage - UNTIL THEN I SAY AGAIN 'I DON'T KNOW' - that's an agnostic position - calling it 'supernatural' doesn't explain anything - what's wrong with 'I don't know?'
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
WHO TOLD YOU THAT SUPERNATURAL MEANS THAT god DID IT? If you're looking for truth, understand your tools for defining it. Supernatural is a compound word meaning super (extra) natural (the observable world). My argument is that at the core of creation, and yes, you can't deny there was creation, something unfathomable occurred. Something came from nothing. As many times as you try to brush off that statement as not being important is how many times I'll continue to bring it up.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 I'm sorry - but you clearly haven't understood anything I said - your'e quibbling about me using the phrase God did ti to sum up your position and then you go on to say almost exactly that! 'Creation' implies a creator - who says something came from nothing - how do you that something hasn't always existed? What evidence do you have that there's a creator? Something unfathomable? How arrogant is that - you KNOW that it's unfathomable! That's not agnostic! CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
I allow myself to believe whatever it is that can be proven. You don't allow yourself. You have conditioned yourself to believe only what fits into your small box. You seem more like an atheist - a belief that is as silly as believing in Santa Clause or one of the 3 major religions. We both agree that we don't know all the answers, but you try to force what it CAN'T be. You can't PROVE to me that gods don't exist. And you can't prove that gods aren't some magical energy that flows unbound.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Also you say that you allow yourself to believe whatever can be proven - clearly you don't since you have stated that ultimately it's all unfathomable and that something cannot come from nothing! Where IS your proof of these statements? You say you believe what can be proven - so PROVE that there's a creator and prove that it's all unfathomable.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
of other things - like pain and hunger and drink and drugs and people and....how does believing in things without any evidence constitute living naturally or enhance my perception of colour etc? You sound like a Christian wanting to know how I can live without God's moral law to guide me. If you do have any real evidence to show there's more to existence then please share it, otherwise you are engaging in wishful thinking like every other theist who needs a Sky Daddy to make them feel special.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage If you study history before newton, Gravity Was considered something supernatural. Most people thought that things stayed on the earth because of some divine/beyond natural explanation. Gravity is an amazing thing. If you lived in London in the middle ages, and saw a person talking in real time with another in china, there's no doubt you would call that supernatural communication. The speakers clearly would have supernatural powers. Later science would explain it.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 Exactly my point - there is no evidence for the existence of ANYTHING supernatural - people call things supernatural because they really don't understand what lies behind certain phenomenon - just like this 'quantum mysticism' - just because we don't know what happened 'before' the Big Bang is no reason to posit a supernatural explanation at all. How do you get from - people once believed gravity was supernatural to - therefore it WAS supernatural?~! Beliefs are not facts!
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
I actually wrote, "Atheism is not real. Agnostic is the only option." Agnostic means, you're of the belief that we are not able to know - A (without) Knossos (knowing). It's from Greek. How can time not exist? How can NOTHING exist? How can u negate space? It's something supernatural. Beyond nature. If there can ever be something, there must be some other thing for that something to physically exist in. You can't disagree w/that unless u think things can exist only in imagination. Like imgnry #s
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 I'm an agnostic too! How can time not exist? How can NOTHING exist? We don't know - yet, maybe it's the human condition NEVER to know - because we simply don't have the perceptual or cognitive faculties to know, Kant showed that space and time are PART of our perception -innate faculties - a product of our intellects if you like -(Critique of Pure Reason) - it's possible that there are multiverses or other dimensions of reality, but until there's evidence - 'I don't know' CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
Hey! Check out the critiques of 'What The Bleep Do We Know' - basically it has very little to do with quantum physics - Matt Dillahunty explains this very well on 'The Atheist Experience' - all these 'quantum' spirituality ideas are pretty bogus when you scrape the surface. I used to be into all kinds of 'spiritual' ideas - I still think Buddhism and related kins of thought are useful - especially in terms of promoting good mental health - but 'spirituality' I now view as a meaningless word.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Wow, what a boring life. You have no passions the way you talk. Logic is not divorced from spirituality, rather spirituality is reinforced by logic. Going by your values your diet must consist of cardboard boxes seasoned with rain water because it's high in fiber. We are human beings - we are full of life. We are not electronic computer boards shelled in a plastic casing. Our minds are stimulated by colours, they're not just a numbered pixel .gif count. Get natural, get human
DreamStars21 11 months ago
So pretty and such a crappy attitude. I was drawn to your vids because of your beauty but pitty you now. Your negative vibes invite more negativity. You probably never really suffered any real pain, loss of several loved ones in a short span of time, watch a Grandfather deteriorate from Alzheimer, watch a Mother go slowly insane, watch friends die of cancer, unemployment, homelessness, etc. Grow up before life really starts hurting. Life will never be your perfect little utopia.
arcadianwave 1 year ago
YAY! Quantum Physics! If you didn't mention those i was going to. This universe rocks and so do you! keep seeking!
tomat0smith 1 year ago
You're really great. Atheism is not real. Agnostic is the only option. There was a time when there was nothing, then there was a time when there was something. Nothing happens without a cause. Therefore something caused our existence. But what created this creator? That's where we say, "It's paradoxical and beyond our capacity for understanding, or we haven't discovered it yet." Supernatural means beyond our current knowledge of physics. Yet our knowledge of it is soaring+,+,+.. E=mc2:Energy*+*+
DreamStars21 1 year ago
@DreamStars21 How do you know there was a time when there was just nothing - and since when did anyone claim that something came from nothing? That certainly isn't the view of physicists. Supernatural doesn't mean 'beyond our current knowledge' - since nobody has ever demonstrated that anything supernatural has ever happened, E=mc2 isn't supernatural! We don't know all the answers but that doesn't mean we can posit any old bullshit to fill in the gaps. 'Don't know' means just that.
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage Hmm... interesting reply. First, thx for engaging - we all need to debate more so we're more confident about our conclusions. Second, yes, that IS the paradigm of modern physics. It's called The Big Bang Theory, which, third, IS supernatural. The birth of the Universe, which is known as everything everywhere, is that fourth, supernatural thing you're afraid to acknowledge. It shall remain supernatural until it can be understood by the laws of physics we know today.
DreamStars21 11 months ago
@DreamStars21 I'm afraid you don't understand Big Bang if you think that it says something came from nothing and science has nothing to say about the 'suernatural' that is left to mystics and religion - BB has NOTHING to do with the supernatural, it explains that the origins of our universe lie at the singularity - it makes no real sense to speak of a 'before' since time itself began with the BB. Clearly you are using the word 'supernatural' in place of 'we don't know' - was gravity CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
@trifelgeputinage supernatural before Newton? Why does anything I say mean I have no passion. I didn't say anything about how I feel about life or how I live it, life is FAR from boring, why would believing in ghosts and assorted 'supernatural' ideas make it more exciting? What does 'get natural' mean? I'm a mammal. your're a mammal. when I die I die, have you get any evidence to suggest that we are more than biological machines? My mind too is stimulated by colours as well as lots of CONT
trifelgeputinage 11 months ago
Google The Law of Attraction.
aceholepictures 1 year ago
Optimism and pessimism are logical fallacies. However, objectively speaking, the world is a monstrously cruel place. Suffering massively outweighs pleasure (globally speaking). We ought to feel annihilated and upset on an intellectual level.
Cuoin 1 year ago
@Decky11 But honestly, try to be more in the world? It really helps. Friends, family, its, so important. As much as we can fall in love and be happy, we can fall out of it and be sad. It takes time to reach that balance again?
But believe me, how you feel now is not static, it will change, maybe try reading up on philosophy, travel, learn a new skill.
1. Never look at your feet, only at the stars.
2. Always work, it gives purpose.
3. Never let go of true love.
-Stephen hawking
:)
JayDee98765 1 year ago
@Decky11 I dont believe in any organised religon, and I dont consider myself an athiest, I dont really much labels, except for being called a human being :)
My point is, maybe youtube isnt the best place to get opinions from? Real life, socialising, would probably be healthier and more honest? Yutube, has been coined as the sewer of the internet.
I feel the same kinda though, as you do, but thats because my gf passed away not too long ago. I'm not sure how to 'become me' again.
JayDee98765 1 year ago
You don't need quantum physics to understand the world. Or it would be unfair. All what is needed is a revelation from God, a prophet to explain his message, and the personal effort to understand, meditate and have faith. Don't think that you are too smart then previous human generations and don't try to explain the world as you want.
hmit82 1 year ago
Atheist? if humans and environment are suffering because of humans, then there is no God? Still who created environment and humans? who make the sum rise and the rain fall? It is stupid to deny God because of the status quo of the world.
God ever said life is test, a battle between good and evil, not a paradise.
From the creed of humanity, God warned of an end of the world and a day of judgment. So, when things go wrong it just means that the end is near.
hmit82 1 year ago
@hmit82 way to cheer us all up! if it's all going to end soon anyway why don't you just jump off of a building and get it over with.
modernblacksmith 1 year ago
I think cynicism & pessimism are very alike, cynicism comes from experience & knowledge & isnt such a bad thing, it can often cause pessimism. Im an athiest & agree theres lots of things people dont understand right now (look at electricity 200 years ago) & im sure in 200yrs time there will me things taken for granted we dont understand now.I love mysterys, always have but always try to look at things logically where possible (where science fails, logic still goes on lol)
feartheturnip 1 year ago
How many atheists do you know, that you can say that 'atheists are pessimistic about the world and life in general'? You say you are an atheist, and maybe YOU are pessimistic, but all the atheists I know, that would be 7, are more optomistic than most theists I know.
Also, why do you think there is a purpose in life other than procreation and/or educating the next generation?
It seems you are a much different atheist than I am
atheistcunuk 1 year ago
Pessimistic?
(AP) — A wide-ranging study on American religious life.
Fifteen percent of respondents said they had no religion, an increase from 14.2 percent in 2001 and 8.2 percent in 1990.
Northern New England surpassed the Pacific Northwest as the least religious region, with Vermont reporting the highest share of those claiming no religion, at 34 percent. Still, the study found that the numbers of Americans with no religion rose in every state.
For me, it is hopeful.
4me2cclearly 1 year ago
Good video. I'm reminded of something that Sam Harris said about the difference between spirituality and religion, about how in our modern world it would be ridiculous to say "Muslim Algebra" although it was a Muslim who invented algebra or "Christian Calculus" though the developers were Christian. He goes on to say that in the same way someday it will be equally ridiculous to say Christian/Muslim/Jewish/etc spirituality.
Keep positive and keep searching! =D
OregonAlleyCat 1 year ago
I am pessimistic that any atheist will seek the Lord with a repentant and contrite heart.
MrJetco 1 year ago
@MrJetco Im pessimistic that any theist can come up with sufficient evidence that atheists or anyone else should.
OregonAlleyCat 1 year ago
the closer you get to the truth the more isolated one feels .... nice channel !
polarbeach 1 year ago
keep seeking that positive energy!! being pessimistic only gave me an excuse why my life was not going in the direction I wanted. peace2u! eric
no2hate 1 year ago
I think the way the 'power of attraction' stuff is couched in a way that is really unpalatable to the scientifically minded.I am an atheist and an optimist. I have a vid on this actually
I think there is a way to discuss positive thinking, having an empowered attitude towards your own life does not require the metaphysics you are engaging in.
I don't think you are going to find much of the sort of support you seek... this may not be the best venue..dominated as it is by those that wish to pwn
CityzenJane 1 year ago
''What does being pesimistic really do for you?'' - good question :))
milela83 1 year ago
I really enjoyed this video.
You make some good points.
Keep your mind open and I wish you all the best.
brkdaice 1 year ago
Nice video
nidzaPFC 1 year ago
blackmarkethustler 1 year ago
Oh boy. I don't think you are crazy, but I do think that you need to re-examine some of the stuff you're getting into with a critical eye. Remember that open-mindedness is not just about being open to unusual ideas, but about being open to questioning whether ideas you find attractive are actually true. I would recommend to you that you also search and read material critical of the ideas of the "law of attraction" and other such notions - you cannot really fairly make up your mind about...
ThinkingSkeptically 2 years ago
...a subject if you've only really heard one side of it. There's too much in the subjects you raise to address in comments, but I do hope you take my advice and spend a little time on researching this stuff critically. A good starting point would be to aquire some tools fo critical thinking, and for that I can think of no better resource than a YouTuber by the name of "QualiaSoup". His videos are very thoughtful, and informative, and I do think you might even enjoy them. Best wishes to you.
ThinkingSkeptically 2 years ago
youre pretty cute...you need to stop being so negative and start showing off that sexy body more...if you had more dick in your life...you would love life more...
goobertay 2 years ago
@ Decky11
when's your birthday?
oibobbo 2 years ago
One final note. I am an atheist and a person that has a spiritual nature. I am constantly looking for things to extend the meaning of who I am and extend the edges of my universe. it is just that I have realized that there is an awful lot of shiny trash along side the road to wisdom that can distract you from the truth and people will gladly sell it to you, if for no other reasons than to validate their folly.
michalchik 2 years ago
Critical thinking is not a closed minded position, it is a position that considers all available evidence and tries to separate things into three categories, right, wrong, and we don't know. You might think calling things wrong might be closed minded but it keeps you from getting tied to ideas that close your mind to others and saves time, money and energy. Check out:
watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI&NR=1
watch?v=6OLPL5p0fMg
Sadly, "What the bleep" is snake-oil which misrepresents QM.
michalchik 2 years ago
Maybe you are not supposed to stay positive. Negativity has a role in this world too.
michalchik 2 years ago
Hi Decky!
I asure you, that pessimism have nothing to do with atheism. It´s really about person. For example, I´m atheist and i´m positivistic a lot :-). And you´re not crazy....that´s for sure too ;-) Bye
mezotar 2 years ago
Hi there Decky. Interesting observation. In short : rationalists are usually reductionists. Reductionists are analytical. Analysis dissects everything. Which means that there is nothing left when you're done. That's why they're pessimists. Life is a Dream and is always beyond any analysis of it, which is why spirituality will always be more important to people's minds and hearts. Pessimism is inevitable for reductionists. Nature is not reductionist. Embrace nature - including your soul. Peace.
Astraeos13 2 years ago
I was once in your place. I wouldn't say I am an atheist, because the problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. I definitely do not believe in God, and I am very anti-religion, because I believe it's just blindness, and sets up barriers in peoples lives. Anyways, I am very positive, even in the world we live in. I think we are energy workers, working dilligently. There is no 'real' purpose I don't believe, but to love your friends and family and try and connect with like minds. PEACE
millmatic 2 years ago
Being anti-anything is promoting barriers. You're setting up barriers to discourage barriers?
dharmapunk777 2 years ago
@dharmapunk777
That is true. I should have re-worded what I said. I am against all religions because they are fear driven. And I think people need to understand more about the universe and they will not need to worship anything anymore. People should worship themselves, discover themselves... not rely on invisible product, and superstitions.
I never intend to offend anyone with my opinions, I just have very strong opinions against organized religions.
millmatic 2 years ago
This world is filled with assholes who are intentionaly made into ignorant assholes who's only purpose in life is to get what they want and they can't make any connections with a higher purpose because they are self obssesed and cannot realize anything outside of what they are told by the tv. And yes we are victims of humanities flaws mostly. Whats wrong with understanding this beside its ugly, Decky? The world needs to help its self thru introspection and cultural evaluation, not toxification
D7585 2 years ago
Hi. Just happened across your video. Interesting that you're an atheist who is into spirituality.
When you talk about pessimism I'm not sure that's something that's characteristic of atheists. It might seem that way when they're forced to defend their right to freedom from religion, but in all other aspects of their life they're like anyone else. They have good days and bad.
554466551 2 years ago
Regarding skepticism, which maybe you're mistaking for pessimism/cynicism, it is a valuable self-defence mechanism that protects us from becoming victims.
I remember watching What The Bleep, not knowing what it was about. I was intrigued by the introduction on quantum mechanics. But once it got to water memory I realised I was being hoodwinked. They were using the age old "bait and switch" method. Hook people with some truth, then you're ready to work the con.
554466551 2 years ago
Pessimism is bullshit.
MaBu888 2 years ago
Too much talking is annoying without a proper «Architect».
TheAgilePhilosopher 2 years ago
That was meant as a YouTube comment.
MaBu888 2 years ago
@ TheAgilePhilosopher
I've made some inroads to being a multidimensional architect of who I choose to be. I am feeling more whole than ever. I have found that pessimism is bullshit because of my experience with it. I have started to follow my highest joy with integrity. It takes many forms. Darkness and negativity is just information about something that is not aligned with the truth that is composed of truths. Pessimism is a way to stay stuck to the darkness while not letting in the light.
MaBu888 2 years ago
When the experiment is done by itself you have this interference as if the particle acts as a wave, but when we observe it it acts as a singe particle and people assume that it is because we (the people) are watching that it has collapse from a function to a defined particle. What people fail to realize is that we are not directly observing. To observe an electron you need a magnetic field. It is this magnetic field that acts on the particle. This misconception skews the real science
raythetse 2 years ago
I also have to say I don't see why so many people equate contemporary quantum physics with the new age type of mentality. I have seen What the Bleep, and the connection the film tries to make between the observer and actually having some sort of conscious control over the surrounding word (outside of physical contact of course) has never been adequately demonstrated. In fact, to make a specific case, the double slit experiment is often misrepresented to show that we somehow have an effect.
raythetse 2 years ago
You asked what pessimism does for you and then associated it directly with having a closed mind and hating life.
First, I find the relationship you have suggested to be wrong. I am often a pessimistic person, but I far from hate my life and I certainly don't think anyone (accept for closed-minded religious people) would call me closed minded.
Second, I find that pessimism is not by necessity a negative thing, it inspires action to make change and preparedness for the worst case scenario.
raythetse 2 years ago
There is probably much more than man realizes he doesn't know that man doesn't know. But there is a difference in exploring the unknown and discrediting the known. Some unfortunately don't make this distinction. I love this quote by Barnard College:
"Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."
Oh, and life is short be happy and pick your battles. :-)
RelaxGodfolk 2 years ago
I've been extremely pessimistic lately, though, so I'm trying to let some of your optimism rub off on me, because "hating your life", as you point out, isn't (I'll speak for myself) doing me any good =)
matthewvantemple 2 years ago
I bet you that someday we (or someone else perhaps) will look back on "science" and we'll start to question it in the same way that so many of us are questioning theism in recent times :: I bet that the seemingly-solid tenets of science will seem, someday, to some people, as questionable as some of us think the tenets of theism seem now
matthewvantemple 2 years ago
I think that science is the new religion in the sense that both, in their own times, were state-of-the art responses to our inability (but need and desire) to answer the questions about why we are here and what is going on :: the language of science today sounds so authoritative that some people use the *language-style* of science to make it sound like science can explain everything, including religion/spirituality :: but I think they're both paradigms essentially on equal footing
matthewvantemple 2 years ago