If heaven is surged with such people as Becky Fisher, Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell, then bring on hell!! I'm an atheist but I'm saying this as if there WERE a heaven and hell
Am I a Christian? No, I don't believe in those magical beings and my morals fall to be consistant with other religeons too. Consider me to just be one who believes in his fellow man.
To me, I don't believe in a magical, physical being called "God". I myself believe that "God was merely a symbol of the human potential achieved, and Jesus is the symbol of forgiveness and compassion. Whether or not they exist is irrelevant as long as the Christian believes in what they stand for; to better yourself and to care for your fellow man, with many of you doing the same towards a generalized term "Christians"
I feel that each side is made up of either hard ass athiests or kill for Christ Christians. It's gotten to the point of which each side needs to be hateful and create terrible videos. To me, it has become just a fest of who can be the most illogical, immature moron on youtube. If if you complete tools want to constantly argue on a fact rather irrelevant to life, go ahead, but get off my damn internets.
Because according to Christians, if they don't believe in the right God and that Jesus was the son of God, no matter how good of a person you are you can burn in hell, but if you're a rapest and murderer and you ask for forgiveness, you can walk through the fucking pearly gates.
Well i do not believe in GOd. But the whole idea of God is that he gave us free will and we chose how our fellows live. So really he wont interfere, but jsut so you know im atheist.... Just hate crap like "Why doesn't he help the starving children"
Christianity has been manipulating children's minds since it's inception. The incident in the Jesus Camp movie is not an isolated incident. There are evangelical churches all throughout the country which practice this form of cult brainwashing. Wake up and cast away your primitive thought controlling belief systems!
Jesus was a vain cult leader like many others past and present.
The 'gods' they promote as omnopotent and omnipresent, if they existed would also be impotent and ineffectual.
Your religions would like you to believe that while god is all good, the devil is all bad. A cute and convenient story, but not for grown-ups with rational minds. Do you not see the purpose of using religion to manipulate people's minds to the advantage of political elites.
Well, that's very true. people with twisted minds use religion to manipulate people. yet in our times, despite of technology and access to information, peoplr still don't know how to "think" critically and made decisions on their own.
Let's take science for example. scientists are still at odds whether the "theory of darwin's evolution" is true, yet, alot of people (thanks to education) thinks its the truth. isn't that another kind of "indoctrination"? How about the "Big bang theory" or how we are created? scientits, despite their intelligence cannot make a definitive answer. all they can come up with are "theories"
yet ordinary people like us would likely to accept those "theories' as facts and dogmas. therefore, its no different from religion. When I was young, I thought that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy. But evidences and common sense dictate otherwise. yet alot of people still believe in the official story. why?
I can tell you why. It's because we are so ready to accept whatever the authority (whether religious, scientific etc) tells us without questioning its content. Have you ever seen DNA in your very eyes? yet we believe in it (By the way, I believe in the DNA, I just want to make a point)
Finally, its very clear that there are many things that we don't know, even our very existence itself. that is there are religions or scientific explantions. they are there to give us some meaning in our lives even though we cannot be sure if what they are telling to us ate true.
the lesson is clear: if we believe in something, share it, proclaim it. But we must learn to listen to other people's explanation because nobody has the monopoly of all the answers in this world.
Excuse me "godfree4me" but I am a grown up with a rational mind. There is PLENTY of evidence to prove that there is in fact a God. Jesus existed and if he were merly a cult leader than Christianity would not still be this strong over 2,000 years later. There is no political elite manipulating me. I CHOSE to be a Christian and my life has been better for it.
The only reason Christianity is so strong because for 2000 years you either accepted it or died. Now these bastard Christians are targeted kids so they will be afraid of Hell their entire lives.
Do you know why turtles are so happy? Because turtles don't care about God.
intheimagegrl--- " there's PLENTY of proof that there is in fact a god" i just LOVE when a person says they have proof of the impossible and then they completly and utterly fail to mention it!!! Can you fucking elaborate on your proof please! Jesus in fact did start a cult and you are being influenced by the elite. If you were born in India you'd be a hindu. and there are many religions that have been going strong for well over 2000 years. does that make them right? no. no. no.
I don't know what experience you have had with Christianity in the past but something obviously made a bad lasting impression that doesn't reflect what true Christianity is all about. I grew up in a Roman Catholic church and the way it was run left a bad impression on me about Christianity. The church I go to is nothing like a cult. We are all broken people and we come together to draw wisdom from God's word, to pray for eachother and to spend time together.
There is nothing cult-like about it. I just wish you could experience a church like the one I go to now. I know nothing I say can really convince you that God exists and Christianity is good if you aren't ready to see that. But you are more than welcome to send me a message if you want to talk more.
If you had good sound evidence of his/her/its/their existence then I would be convinced but you must realize that saying that the bible said so or other fallacious arguements are unreasonable
There's no evidence to this (God, God[s]), all Christians do is feed their ideas down your throat until you finally accept Jesus, and then the preachers that converted you get caught in sex scandals.
And all in all they see you as a number.
The reason you can't say anything to prove is because it can't be proven.
whether you are religious or not, rich or poor, there is no excuse for IGNORACE AND BIGOTRY. Hey! this is the 21st century, the age of information. Use these information to cure the ills or our world and stop blaming God for everything that is bad. WE NUST ALWAYS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS.
This video is complete nonsense.God does hear the cries of those suffering. He doesn't create that suffering though. Everything bad and Evil is from Satan as a result of the fall. As for the blip about Christians saying not to use condoms, that is not true. I know that as a Christian myself. The fact is that if God wants someone to have a child a condom will not get in the way of that. The whole not using a condom is based mostly on Catholic beliefs.
Read C.S. Lewis' A Greif Observed. He wrote it after his wife died, and then read "The Problem of Pain" by him if you want a real Christian answer. If you just want to pout and not actually look for the answer, then I would understand why you wouldn't read those books. That's the problem with athiets, they base so many beliefs on emotions.
If I use the word belief, it is in the sense that there is evidence on which to base it. And what is wrong with human emotion as an important aspect of the basis for rational belief?
The PRoblem of evil is the question. I don't think you want answering to it. I'm just offering some scholarly responses like Plantinga or Bahnsen Or Lewis. Sometimes I forget that people don't have the time to do what I do. That is, study till their brains fall out. Emotions are an important aspect when realizing what can cause beliefs. Unfortunately, they change, they conflict with other emotions. They aren't a good thing to build a worldview on. I would think most people would agree with that.
Oh for sure. but thats in the perspective that i believe in god as a set of good morals rather than a being itself, when it comes to that, i am panthiest, i believe the Universe is divine and we all make up a little bit of god. each being our own gods making many.
Why not when there is no evidence against it other than imaginary theories? i mean think about it, why something instead of nothing? we could never possibly understand what created us, just like a coffee table could not understand what made it. imaginary, possibly, but there is also the possibility of it being true.
youtube is fucking up, anyway....it makes sense to me that God doesn't exist, so of course he she or they could do nothing about starving little children. Life is unfair by design, and that's why those who have a good life should cherish it and help those that don't.
Life may be 'unfair'and 'unequal' but civilisation is human progress. Humanity is capable of mitigating the worst excesses in their societies, and should IMO prevent the distortions of rights and democracy by greed.
Don't blame the state of this world on God -- it is MANKIND that has done all the damage by DISOBEDIENCE. God NEVER wanted it this way, even though He knew it would happen. He certainly didn't design this world to be like this. Why don't you take a moment to actually try to UNDERSTAND what Christians and Jews believe about God, instead of just pointing the finger at Him and blaming OUR problems on what you think is His ineptitude?
But if god created everything, and all this is part of His plan, we have no freedom whatsoever. Therefore we cannot be held responsible for anything. God is the ONLY person who can be held accountable for anything.
Don't think of God's plan or His will like a chess game. He isn't the one making all the moves for us. We do have free will to choose one thing or the other here on earth. But the ETERNAL plans that God has for us will not be thwarted. Just because God sees what is going to happen one end to the other doesn't mean He has to control every minute detail to bring about his final plans, which by the way happen AFTER our time here on this little blue planet.
Interesting. You made me think about a recent article I read about moral disengagement. Moral disengagement happens when we use excuses to make up for deviations in our morals.
Sounds like an incomplete version of the Epicurean Paradox. The main flaw with this reasoning is that Evil is philosophically not it's own side of a dualistic archetype. It is instead a withdrawal from what is Good (a.k.a. what is Complete). Christians refer to it as sin (or Incompleteness) from the 'fall of man'. To call God a monster in this sense is to claim that you have no free will.
Interesting. You made me think about a recent article I read about moral disengagement. Moral disengagement happens when we use excuses to make up for deviations in our morals. For example, if you believe that cheating is wrong but you cheat anyway, so you justify it by saying that if the teacher didn't notice it was her fault. The article included a chart of the types of excuses we come up with and then concludes something like
Many of us live in societies where we <quote>have</quote> to do things, or accept things that we think are wrong, or that people should not be allowed to do.
It is not those who do things knowing that they are wrong and why they are wrong, and do <quote>not</quote> make excuses who are the problem.
It is those who do wrong then try to excuse it, justify it and do nothing to try to address the political & social pressures that are the cause.
God is an extremist -- and for good reason. I can't believe you just said that. I hope you're okay with condoms and the pill INSIDE a marriage. Otherwise you are supporting sinful behavior.
What's wrong with casual sex provided that it does not hurt anyone e.g it does not lead to STD or UNWANTED pregnancy or parenthood & all participants freely consent? It is only your religions that teach you this rubbish.
Casual sex is wrong on a secular basis, because it demeans members of both genders. For example, if you a man don't believe that sex is important or morally relavent than you tend to view women as objects of sexual gratification. And women deserve better treatment than to be considered just pieces of meat for ones own pleasure.
I find that religious people tend to respect the other gender much more than non-religious people.
Your view only stands up if either of the partners does not want it. 'Casual' sex as opposed to 'serious' sex assumes that those WHO DO NOT WANT a relationships or committment should not have sex! Why?
'Respect' is knowing when this is the case and ensuring that it is protected and there will be no unpleasant repercussions.
I can just as easily say you're deluded or gullible for NOT believing in God's word. I happen to be a Christian, a fundamentalist one at that. I don't believe all that "religions" tell me. I believe what the Bible tells me and then I found the DENOMINATION that I felt best lined up with God's word. It happens to be Assembly of God.
Oh my god, you're brainwashed. Your religon is a cult.
You think that a book fell from the sky written by a god that doesn't exist? That piece of shit book was written by a bunch of hateful Roman bigots. And NO, abstinence does not work. You're living in a fantasy world. Or you're blind. Teenage pregnancy... ever heard of it?
Abstinance is not ridiculous. The bible says fornication is a sin. For a Christian to tell someone it's perfectly fine to go out and fornicate is also a sin. I don't think birth control is sinful, but I'm not Catholic either and I don't believe a lot of things Catholics believe. I think Jesus Camp is a little over the top, but I don't believe it can be compared to the Taliban. If people raised their children in the ways of God and the way the Bible said, these problems would not exist.
Yes if everybody was the same and everybody lived by one doctrine "these problems would not exist." But in the real world that could/will never happen due to the fact that all people have the ability to think for themselves. Thus the solution is not world wide indotrination but world wide TOLERANCE. And yes I realize that "world peace" is almost as immpossible as all us believing in one religion, but the key world is almost.
Yes, see reply to Kindycane. Muslims in Nigeria also prevented polio immunistion that has re-introduced that disease across Africa and the Middle East.
And have you heard of 'The Lord's Resistance Army' and the child soldiers they recruit, the limbs the sever, and the hacking to death that was Ruanda and is now in Sudan?
Mothers die of septic abortions & populations are killed by sectarian conflict & destitution.
Have you never heard of the Roman Catholic Church and the way it blackmails the UN & WHO over funding for health and population programmes? Their missionaries 'on the ground' also attempt to prevent contraception and abortion and condom use.
Catholic policy does though. And most Christians are against telling teens to use condoms. What's ridiculous is the idea that they think the idea of abstinence works.
The video disappeared, so I had to go through the motions and remove it and re-upload it thus losing the comments.
I think what I wrote was in relpy to you saying you wanted to have a soul to experience emotion, memory etc. My point was that these and other experiences e.g. perception etc. are what certain parts of your brain do. But when you die, so does your brain, there is no evidence for an independent entity called a soul.
I know what you're saying. And you could be absolutely right. But being a person that is currently on Prozac and Xanax for depression/anxiety, I guess I just need to believe in a spiritual world besides the realism of this one.
My "kids" are mutts adopted from animal shelters, and the lifespan of a dog is only about 14 years. My oldest is 13, and I don't know how I'd cope if she died and I thought that there was nothing else.
I couldn't really say if there is a spirit world, but I have to keep believing for my own sake, even if it is just a fantasy.
I completely agree with you on the whole religon thing though. Being raised Christian I was so afraid of going to hell that I was afraid to be myself. Some of my relatives are religous, and thought that if I sat down and really tried to understand the Bible I would find comfort. What I found was a hatred for God.
Then I decided that Christianity was a load of shit.
You know that your beloved pets must die, and you must help to prepare yourself by facing it. I can only assure you that you are a human being and human beings have 'coping mechanisms' that will come into play when the time comes. Look around you and see what people manage to cope with. Of course you will be distressed, but it will gradually lessen and you will come out the other side.
And if you have given them a good home and a good life, let that be your consolation.
If heaven is surged with such people as Becky Fisher, Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell, then bring on hell!! I'm an atheist but I'm saying this as if there WERE a heaven and hell
kepone405 2 months ago
IS God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
is he able,but not willing?
Then is is malevolent.
is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh the evil?
Is he neither able, or willing?
Then why call him God?
anotherguttersnipe 9 months ago
Allow me to quote Louis Armstrong
I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
Am I a Christian? No, I don't believe in those magical beings and my morals fall to be consistant with other religeons too. Consider me to just be one who believes in his fellow man.
boo8361 11 months ago
To me, I don't believe in a magical, physical being called "God". I myself believe that "God was merely a symbol of the human potential achieved, and Jesus is the symbol of forgiveness and compassion. Whether or not they exist is irrelevant as long as the Christian believes in what they stand for; to better yourself and to care for your fellow man, with many of you doing the same towards a generalized term "Christians"
boo8361 11 months ago
I feel that each side is made up of either hard ass athiests or kill for Christ Christians. It's gotten to the point of which each side needs to be hateful and create terrible videos. To me, it has become just a fest of who can be the most illogical, immature moron on youtube. If if you complete tools want to constantly argue on a fact rather irrelevant to life, go ahead, but get off my damn internets.
boo8361 11 months ago
Allow me to quote Queensryche's song "Spreading the Disease":
'Religion and sex are power plays,
Manipulate the people for the money they pay.
Selling skin. Selling God.
The numbers are the same on their credit cards.'
PowerChordTV 1 year ago
well obviously anyone who enjoyed watching Jesus Camp would have most likely enjoyed watching Zeitgeist as well.
SoulsOfThePure 1 year ago
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fgh650 2 years ago
Because according to Christians, if they don't believe in the right God and that Jesus was the son of God, no matter how good of a person you are you can burn in hell, but if you're a rapest and murderer and you ask for forgiveness, you can walk through the fucking pearly gates.
KazziKolorZz 2 years ago
Well i do not believe in GOd. But the whole idea of God is that he gave us free will and we chose how our fellows live. So really he wont interfere, but jsut so you know im atheist.... Just hate crap like "Why doesn't he help the starving children"
Arkantos117 3 years ago
A god that does not exist cannot give anyone anything let alone free will.
Freewill one of the get-out clauses that ensures that everything good can be claimed for god and everything evil is the fault of someone else.
See my video on 'Fate or Freewill?'
godfree4me 3 years ago
this is true...
yet, i believe God has a purpose in suffering... God wants us to reach a sens of appreciation through the absense of happiness
xsomethingxscaryx 2 years ago
Christianity has been manipulating children's minds since it's inception. The incident in the Jesus Camp movie is not an isolated incident. There are evangelical churches all throughout the country which practice this form of cult brainwashing. Wake up and cast away your primitive thought controlling belief systems!
quackberkak 3 years ago
uhm can i please know the song to this?? i realllly loved it...
SexiiCin 3 years ago
Sorry no, I wish I did.
673118 3 years ago
by the way, this Jesus camp thing,is really horrible. the use Jesus's name in vain BIG TIME.
archgin74 4 years ago
Jesus was a vain cult leader like many others past and present.
The 'gods' they promote as omnopotent and omnipresent, if they existed would also be impotent and ineffectual.
Your religions would like you to believe that while god is all good, the devil is all bad. A cute and convenient story, but not for grown-ups with rational minds. Do you not see the purpose of using religion to manipulate people's minds to the advantage of political elites.
godfree4me 4 years ago
Well, that's very true. people with twisted minds use religion to manipulate people. yet in our times, despite of technology and access to information, peoplr still don't know how to "think" critically and made decisions on their own.
archgin74 4 years ago
Let's take science for example. scientists are still at odds whether the "theory of darwin's evolution" is true, yet, alot of people (thanks to education) thinks its the truth. isn't that another kind of "indoctrination"? How about the "Big bang theory" or how we are created? scientits, despite their intelligence cannot make a definitive answer. all they can come up with are "theories"
archgin74 4 years ago
No scientists are not at odds, do your research. 99 percent of scientists agree on the fact of evolution just they agree the world is round.
khylate 3 years ago
yet ordinary people like us would likely to accept those "theories' as facts and dogmas. therefore, its no different from religion. When I was young, I thought that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy. But evidences and common sense dictate otherwise. yet alot of people still believe in the official story. why?
archgin74 4 years ago
I can tell you why. It's because we are so ready to accept whatever the authority (whether religious, scientific etc) tells us without questioning its content. Have you ever seen DNA in your very eyes? yet we believe in it (By the way, I believe in the DNA, I just want to make a point)
archgin74 4 years ago
Finally, its very clear that there are many things that we don't know, even our very existence itself. that is there are religions or scientific explantions. they are there to give us some meaning in our lives even though we cannot be sure if what they are telling to us ate true.
archgin74 4 years ago
the lesson is clear: if we believe in something, share it, proclaim it. But we must learn to listen to other people's explanation because nobody has the monopoly of all the answers in this world.
archgin74 4 years ago
Excuse me "godfree4me" but I am a grown up with a rational mind. There is PLENTY of evidence to prove that there is in fact a God. Jesus existed and if he were merly a cult leader than Christianity would not still be this strong over 2,000 years later. There is no political elite manipulating me. I CHOSE to be a Christian and my life has been better for it.
InTheImageGrl 4 years ago
The only reason Christianity is so strong because for 2000 years you either accepted it or died. Now these bastard Christians are targeted kids so they will be afraid of Hell their entire lives.
Do you know why turtles are so happy? Because turtles don't care about God.
WadeLogan 3 years ago 7
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WadeLogan 3 years ago
intheimagegrl--- " there's PLENTY of proof that there is in fact a god" i just LOVE when a person says they have proof of the impossible and then they completly and utterly fail to mention it!!! Can you fucking elaborate on your proof please! Jesus in fact did start a cult and you are being influenced by the elite. If you were born in India you'd be a hindu. and there are many religions that have been going strong for well over 2000 years. does that make them right? no. no. no.
sagizzi92 3 years ago
I don't know what experience you have had with Christianity in the past but something obviously made a bad lasting impression that doesn't reflect what true Christianity is all about. I grew up in a Roman Catholic church and the way it was run left a bad impression on me about Christianity. The church I go to is nothing like a cult. We are all broken people and we come together to draw wisdom from God's word, to pray for eachother and to spend time together.
InTheImageGrl 4 years ago
There is nothing cult-like about it. I just wish you could experience a church like the one I go to now. I know nothing I say can really convince you that God exists and Christianity is good if you aren't ready to see that. But you are more than welcome to send me a message if you want to talk more.
InTheImageGrl 4 years ago
If you had good sound evidence of his/her/its/their existence then I would be convinced but you must realize that saying that the bible said so or other fallacious arguements are unreasonable
khylate 3 years ago
There's no evidence to this (God, God[s]), all Christians do is feed their ideas down your throat until you finally accept Jesus, and then the preachers that converted you get caught in sex scandals.
And all in all they see you as a number.
The reason you can't say anything to prove is because it can't be proven.
WadeLogan 3 years ago
there is evidence everywhere
ThePumaGRAWL 2 years ago
whether you are religious or not, rich or poor, there is no excuse for IGNORACE AND BIGOTRY. Hey! this is the 21st century, the age of information. Use these information to cure the ills or our world and stop blaming God for everything that is bad. WE NUST ALWAYS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS.
archgin74 4 years ago
Hahaha! this clip only shows how irresponsible people are. they want to blame everybody but themselves from the miseries and suffering.
archgin74 4 years ago
This video is complete nonsense.God does hear the cries of those suffering. He doesn't create that suffering though. Everything bad and Evil is from Satan as a result of the fall. As for the blip about Christians saying not to use condoms, that is not true. I know that as a Christian myself. The fact is that if God wants someone to have a child a condom will not get in the way of that. The whole not using a condom is based mostly on Catholic beliefs.
InTheImageGrl 4 years ago
Read C.S. Lewis' A Greif Observed. He wrote it after his wife died, and then read "The Problem of Pain" by him if you want a real Christian answer. If you just want to pout and not actually look for the answer, then I would understand why you wouldn't read those books. That's the problem with athiets, they base so many beliefs on emotions.
lighteclipseca 5 years ago
What is the question you think I want answering?
If I use the word belief, it is in the sense that there is evidence on which to base it. And what is wrong with human emotion as an important aspect of the basis for rational belief?
godfree4me 5 years ago
The PRoblem of evil is the question. I don't think you want answering to it. I'm just offering some scholarly responses like Plantinga or Bahnsen Or Lewis. Sometimes I forget that people don't have the time to do what I do. That is, study till their brains fall out. Emotions are an important aspect when realizing what can cause beliefs. Unfortunately, they change, they conflict with other emotions. They aren't a good thing to build a worldview on. I would think most people would agree with that.
lighteclipseca 4 years ago
This was a powerful statement!
kraisins 5 years ago
You know what the last words that Jon Benet Ramsey heard as her murderer squeezed the life out of her? "I am Jesus. I bring death."
JesusBringsDeath 5 years ago
JesusBringsDeath, whatever happen to make you feel that way?
InTheImageGrl 4 years ago
Look at the evidence my friend, see through the fantasies of those who preach belief in gods to keep people compliant.
godfree4me 4 years ago
you obviously can't comprehend the concept of a higher being.
ThePumaGRAWL 2 years ago
If God were real, he would've been hanged a long time ago for his crimes against humanity.
loverich 5 years ago
First of all, all those countries you pointed out
were not countries religious to the christian god i mean you had some good points
but that was you're only flaw.
HienrichHimmler 5 years ago
Do you think there is more than one god - different ones for the different relgions?
godfree4me 5 years ago
Oh for sure. but thats in the perspective that i believe in god as a set of good morals rather than a being itself, when it comes to that, i am panthiest, i believe the Universe is divine and we all make up a little bit of god. each being our own gods making many.
HienrichHimmler 5 years ago
Why do you want to believe in all this imaginary stuff rather than things for which there is evidence?
godfree4me 5 years ago
Why not when there is no evidence against it other than imaginary theories? i mean think about it, why something instead of nothing? we could never possibly understand what created us, just like a coffee table could not understand what made it. imaginary, possibly, but there is also the possibility of it being true.
HienrichHimmler 5 years ago
youtube is fucking up, anyway....it makes sense to me that God doesn't exist, so of course he she or they could do nothing about starving little children. Life is unfair by design, and that's why those who have a good life should cherish it and help those that don't.
muchachaverdeygris 5 years ago
Life may be 'unfair'and 'unequal' but civilisation is human progress. Humanity is capable of mitigating the worst excesses in their societies, and should IMO prevent the distortions of rights and democracy by greed.
godfree4me 5 years ago
Don't blame the state of this world on God -- it is MANKIND that has done all the damage by DISOBEDIENCE. God NEVER wanted it this way, even though He knew it would happen. He certainly didn't design this world to be like this. Why don't you take a moment to actually try to UNDERSTAND what Christians and Jews believe about God, instead of just pointing the finger at Him and blaming OUR problems on what you think is His ineptitude?
LachlanMacleod 5 years ago
But if god created everything, and all this is part of His plan, we have no freedom whatsoever. Therefore we cannot be held responsible for anything. God is the ONLY person who can be held accountable for anything.
Unless of course he is fictitious .
kurtisthorne 5 years ago
Don't think of God's plan or His will like a chess game. He isn't the one making all the moves for us. We do have free will to choose one thing or the other here on earth. But the ETERNAL plans that God has for us will not be thwarted. Just because God sees what is going to happen one end to the other doesn't mean He has to control every minute detail to bring about his final plans, which by the way happen AFTER our time here on this little blue planet.
LachlanMacleod 5 years ago
Part 1
Interesting. You made me think about a recent article I read about moral disengagement. Moral disengagement happens when we use excuses to make up for deviations in our morals.
muchachaverdeygris 5 years ago
Sounds like an incomplete version of the Epicurean Paradox. The main flaw with this reasoning is that Evil is philosophically not it's own side of a dualistic archetype. It is instead a withdrawal from what is Good (a.k.a. what is Complete). Christians refer to it as sin (or Incompleteness) from the 'fall of man'. To call God a monster in this sense is to claim that you have no free will.
umbraemilitos 5 years ago
Part 1
Interesting. You made me think about a recent article I read about moral disengagement. Moral disengagement happens when we use excuses to make up for deviations in our morals. For example, if you believe that cheating is wrong but you cheat anyway, so you justify it by saying that if the teacher didn't notice it was her fault. The article included a chart of the types of excuses we come up with and then concludes something like
muchachaverdeygris 5 years ago
Many of us live in societies where we <quote>have</quote> to do things, or accept things that we think are wrong, or that people should not be allowed to do.
It is not those who do things knowing that they are wrong and why they are wrong, and do <quote>not</quote> make excuses who are the problem.
It is those who do wrong then try to excuse it, justify it and do nothing to try to address the political & social pressures that are the cause.
godfree4me 5 years ago
I'm just saying that men are solely responsible for their actions because of free will.
umbraemilitos 5 years ago
Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world! Except for the ones he allows to die of disease and hunger, of course.
ElveeKaye 5 years ago
Hey, God loves all children!! He says they taste like chicken...
weeeezzll 5 years ago
Laughable, thanks for the good laugh, you are lost.
TruthTaste 5 years ago
Well what does a religious person expect on an atheist search? Taste Truth it will do you good.
godfree4me 5 years ago
TruthTaste is irishdictator
Apparently kills his account every few months and makes a new one then goes trolling all over again.
weeeezzll 5 years ago
Great!!! I agree!!!
DrRandale 5 years ago
Hey, whoa. There are alot of Christians (including myself) that are okay with condoms and the pill. Again, don't judge any group by it's extremists.
Stephanreyu 5 years ago
God is an extremist -- and for good reason. I can't believe you just said that. I hope you're okay with condoms and the pill INSIDE a marriage. Otherwise you are supporting sinful behavior.
LachlanMacleod 5 years ago
Oh no, absolutely, sex and marriage go together. I certainly wasn't condoning casual sex.
Stephanreyu 5 years ago
What's wrong with casual sex provided that it does not hurt anyone e.g it does not lead to STD or UNWANTED pregnancy or parenthood & all participants freely consent? It is only your religions that teach you this rubbish.
godfree4me 5 years ago
Casual sex is wrong on a secular basis, because it demeans members of both genders. For example, if you a man don't believe that sex is important or morally relavent than you tend to view women as objects of sexual gratification. And women deserve better treatment than to be considered just pieces of meat for ones own pleasure.
I find that religious people tend to respect the other gender much more than non-religious people.
FormerMALiberal 5 years ago
Your view only stands up if either of the partners does not want it. 'Casual' sex as opposed to 'serious' sex assumes that those WHO DO NOT WANT a relationships or committment should not have sex! Why?
'Respect' is knowing when this is the case and ensuring that it is protected and there will be no unpleasant repercussions.
godfree4me 5 years ago
I can just as easily say you're deluded or gullible for NOT believing in God's word. I happen to be a Christian, a fundamentalist one at that. I don't believe all that "religions" tell me. I believe what the Bible tells me and then I found the DENOMINATION that I felt best lined up with God's word. It happens to be Assembly of God.
Kindycane 5 years ago
Oh my god, you're brainwashed. Your religon is a cult.
You think that a book fell from the sky written by a god that doesn't exist? That piece of shit book was written by a bunch of hateful Roman bigots. And NO, abstinence does not work. You're living in a fantasy world. Or you're blind. Teenage pregnancy... ever heard of it?
u4ikreign 5 years ago
That figures. EOS.
godfree4me 5 years ago
Abstinance is not ridiculous. The bible says fornication is a sin. For a Christian to tell someone it's perfectly fine to go out and fornicate is also a sin. I don't think birth control is sinful, but I'm not Catholic either and I don't believe a lot of things Catholics believe. I think Jesus Camp is a little over the top, but I don't believe it can be compared to the Taliban. If people raised their children in the ways of God and the way the Bible said, these problems would not exist.
Kindycane 5 years ago
You are deluded or gullible if you believe all that religions tell you see Promises,Promises
godfree4me 5 years ago
Yes if everybody was the same and everybody lived by one doctrine "these problems would not exist." But in the real world that could/will never happen due to the fact that all people have the ability to think for themselves. Thus the solution is not world wide indotrination but world wide TOLERANCE. And yes I realize that "world peace" is almost as immpossible as all us believing in one religion, but the key world is almost.
huhwhatrightuhhh 5 years ago
How ridiculous. Christians do not prevent birth control.
Kindycane 5 years ago
Africa. Millions dying - for the love of god...
vega32 5 years ago
Yes, see reply to Kindycane. Muslims in Nigeria also prevented polio immunistion that has re-introduced that disease across Africa and the Middle East.
And have you heard of 'The Lord's Resistance Army' and the child soldiers they recruit, the limbs the sever, and the hacking to death that was Ruanda and is now in Sudan?
Mothers die of septic abortions & populations are killed by sectarian conflict & destitution.
godfree4me 5 years ago
Have you never heard of the Roman Catholic Church and the way it blackmails the UN & WHO over funding for health and population programmes? Their missionaries 'on the ground' also attempt to prevent contraception and abortion and condom use.
godfree4me 5 years ago
Catholic policy does though. And most Christians are against telling teens to use condoms. What's ridiculous is the idea that they think the idea of abstinence works.
u4ikreign 5 years ago
That above reply was to Kindycane's comment. I hate the way these comments get out of order sometimes.
u4ikreign 5 years ago
actually a load of them do!
OWRBtheo 5 years ago
Yes... they do!
Grymyrk 5 years ago
You appear not to know what your churches preach.
godfree4me 5 years ago
Short but effective
JaniceBaker 5 years ago
Hi. I seen in my e-mail that you've replied to my last comment, but for some reason the old video has been removed. :( I wasn't able to read it.
u4ikreign 5 years ago
The video disappeared, so I had to go through the motions and remove it and re-upload it thus losing the comments.
I think what I wrote was in relpy to you saying you wanted to have a soul to experience emotion, memory etc. My point was that these and other experiences e.g. perception etc. are what certain parts of your brain do. But when you die, so does your brain, there is no evidence for an independent entity called a soul.
godfree4me 5 years ago
I know what you're saying. And you could be absolutely right. But being a person that is currently on Prozac and Xanax for depression/anxiety, I guess I just need to believe in a spiritual world besides the realism of this one.
u4ikreign 5 years ago
My "kids" are mutts adopted from animal shelters, and the lifespan of a dog is only about 14 years. My oldest is 13, and I don't know how I'd cope if she died and I thought that there was nothing else.
I couldn't really say if there is a spirit world, but I have to keep believing for my own sake, even if it is just a fantasy.
u4ikreign 5 years ago
I completely agree with you on the whole religon thing though. Being raised Christian I was so afraid of going to hell that I was afraid to be myself. Some of my relatives are religous, and thought that if I sat down and really tried to understand the Bible I would find comfort. What I found was a hatred for God.
Then I decided that Christianity was a load of shit.
u4ikreign 5 years ago
u4.
You know that your beloved pets must die, and you must help to prepare yourself by facing it. I can only assure you that you are a human being and human beings have 'coping mechanisms' that will come into play when the time comes. Look around you and see what people manage to cope with. Of course you will be distressed, but it will gradually lessen and you will come out the other side.
And if you have given them a good home and a good life, let that be your consolation.
godfree4me 5 years ago