Yeshua & Torah-The Word of YHWH vs Man's Traditions (SHORT VERSION)

[stephenharveymin]

We don't reconcile them. We cast out the bond woman.

[arolallen]

Thank you for this. I hadn't looked at Israel's coming out of Egypt quite that way before. It may even help me get across to others thad G-d does not change.

[2worldsatwar]

Ten Commandments have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection. This is not even the Gospel, your not even reading from the Scriptures, your just making up your own religion. We are saved through faith in Jesus Christ by Grace + nothing. Read Galatians.

[MARIOAnDrEs0]

@2worldsatwar Read deuteronomy 13 :)

[JGVH1988]

@2worldsatwar You seem a little lost. Yeshua fulfilled the Torah because he is the Torah, he followed it to perfection. Yeshua never abolished the law nor told us not to keep them.

James 2:14,James 2:15-17,James 2:18-19,James 2:20-21,Matt 5:18, Mat 5:17-19.

Yeshua didn't abolish the law he actually commanded us to keep G-ds will. i bet you you will not find one verse that says otherwise.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

James was written to the 12 tribes of Israel same as Matthew. Rom 3:28-30, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1, Rom 9:30, (ROM 10:4 Rom 11:6), Gal 2:16, Gal 2:21, Gal 3:5-6, Gal 3:24, Eph 2:8-9, Phil 3:9.

As a Christian I am not bound by the LAW but by FAITH.

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES You seem like you didn't understand my comment. I never said we were under the law. I know we are under G-ds grace that doesn't mean we can continue on sinning just because Yeshua was our atonement. Without the Torah we wouldn't know what sin is. Yeshua himself said that he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill them(Matthew 5:17).Yeshua said if you love him you would keep his commandments (John 14:15) You can't show repentance without following G-ds rules.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

We do continue on sinning and that is the whole point. We as humans living in cursed flesh will continue to sin.

What saves us is the belief that Christ is our Lord and Savior (OUR FAITH). I am not under the law, my covenant is with CHRIST and His promise to save me in spite of myself. Evidently you don't understand Rom 10,4 & Rom 11:6

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES Nobody is saying we won't continue to sin. Nobody can keep the Torah that's one of the reasons why we need a savior. Yeshua himself prove to be prefect because he followed the Torah since he is the TORAH(LAW) therefore he is perfect. What you're suggesting is this i can sin deliberately but since i believe in Yeshua it won't matter since he will save me. That couldn't be furthest from the truth.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

And yet again you miss the point. The POINT IS, you, I, all the world SIN WILLFULLY, every time we sin. The only difference between me and the world is MY FAITH.

Once a person is saved, THEY ARE ALWAYS saved. What you are suggesting is that we can lose salvation.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

Read Rom 9:30 again

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES "Therefore anyone who SETS ASIDE one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and TEACHES these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988 The 'Kingdom of Heaven' is Christs rule on this planet for the 1000 year kingdom.

You do know that the Kingdom of Heaven is not the kingdom of God or should I say At Least not yet?

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES The Point is that whoever teaches others to not follow G-ds commandments will be called LEAST and those that do will be called GREAT. The LAW was never abolished, The LAW is here to let us know what is sin according to G-d. Doesn't mean we're bound by it it just means that without the law we wouldn't know right from wrong. We're not able to keep all of G-d's commandments but we can sure try to follow them to live as godly as possible and imitate our Father in heaven.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988 So then a person does not lose their salvation?

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES What doth it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but have not works? can that faith save him?(James 2:14)

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

James 1:1 to the 12 tribes of Israel.

I am not a JEW!

Now, Read ROMAN 9:30 and read it from my apostle PAUL

I have no righteousness but through Christ.

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES not because we are trying to find salvation by following the Torah but to show obedience and do what's right in G-d's eyes. That was the whole message. Yeshua tried to tell the Jews that salvation it's not based on merits and that you can't get to G-ds kingdom by your works but by G-d alone.that's why he came to earth to offer himself as a sacrifice.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988 Then why does your message come off as sounding like obey or perish ?

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES It doesn't you just misundertood it. I meant a person can't really show repentance if that person doesn't follow G-d's law. For example let's say you saw one of your kids smoking cannabis and he tells you that he's really sorry but he keeps on doing it do you really think he's sorry? all of the verses you just quoted are misunderstandings, taken out of context to prove you're right. Does it mean you're going to "hell"? No. It just means you're a little confused, G-d understands.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

Those verses are not taken out of context. By the way, are you SDA?

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES A Jew means somebody from the tribe of Judah. We are Israel. Everybody that believes in Yeshua is considered part of Israel.

"If you belong to Mashiach, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."(Galatians3:29)

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

James 1:1 to the TWELVE TRIBES I think that is real clear.

So you are saying that the church has replaced Israel?

Are you Seventh Day Adventist?

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES Do you really believe Yeshua came here to start another religion? to change Abolish the Torah? To change the Sabbath? To claim we can now eat pork? Yeshua came here to bring us all together, all those that believe in Yeshua that were gentiles, pagans, Jews etc are considered part of Israel. I'm not a Christian. I'm a netzari Jew.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988 Then you teach the LAW or Noachide laws? I thought so,,,, CULT

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES WOW!! I Teach other to follow the Law(Matthew 5:17) and you say CULT? Cult is actually teaching that Yeshua came here to create Christianity, that he abolsihed the Law, That we are allowed to eat pork, that we shouldm't keep the sabbath, to teach trinity, rapture etc. Yeshua was a Torah observant jew, He kept Kosher, He never ate pork or told others to do so, He kept the sabbath and told others to keep the law. not to misunderstand it.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

CULT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

EVERYONE READING THIS. This person says HE IS NOT CHRISTIAN. He is a follower of the NOACHIDE CULT.

AVOID these cult members at all cost they are from satan!

Just do a GOOGLE on NOACHIDE CULT or NOACHIDE LAW and start researching this cult!

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES NOACHIDE cult when did i say that. I'm Jewish. That's funny how Christians claim to follow Yeshua yet they're here judging on everybody that doesn't agree with them and accuse everbody that's not christian that they are from Satan. Since you ignore everything Yeshua said about the law you seem to also ignore to love everyone including your enemy and not to judge others so you yourself won't be judge.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

Stop pretending to even understand the NT. You miss quote Matthew just like everyone else does. I have removed the plank from my own eye by believing in Jesus Christ as my Lord (GOD) and Savior. Therefor, I can tell someone else they have a splinter in their eye.

I am telling you without hesitation you are a cult.

Is Jesus Christ The EVERLASTING FATHER, the 'I AM' Is Jesus Christ GOD?

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES By you claiming you have removed the plank in your own eye you're suggesting you're perfect and that you also have the right to judge us. how did i missquote Matthew please explain? a cult would be teaching others things that go against scripture and/or teach things that don't support scriptures for example: trinity, rapture, eating pork, sunday worship.

Yeshua is YHWH, He is the Father not the 2nd person in the Godhead like Christians claim.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988 If you do not believe in trinity then it is MODALISM that you teach. CULT!!!!!

I am not perfect my righteousness was IMPUTED to me BY CHRIST. Without Christ I would be judged by the law.

I am done speaking with a cult who has no understanding of Scripture.

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES Christianity is based on the belief of trinity, and anybody else that doesn't believe in the trinity(eventhough it is nowhere in scriptures) is part of a cult or from Satan accroding to Christians. I believe in a unified G-d. G-d is one. not 3 in 1. You're not a real christians because if i'm not mistaken Christians are supposed to love everybody includuing their enemies. They're supposed to not judge others.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

You must really hate the apostle Paul for being a heretic.

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES I don't hate Shaul, you just take his words out of context. I could say you hate Yeshua just because you teach others that we don't have to follow G-ds commandments or because you claim i'm in a cult because i don't agree with your man-made doctrines like the trinity or because i teach others to keep that commandments. out of all the christians denominations out there you seem to be pretty sure you've got it right.

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES I'm not denying Yeshua is the Messiah or that he is not G-d. I'm saying the trinity is a false teaching made by men who take verses out of context to prove their beliefs right.

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting FATHER, Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6)Nowhere does it say into us the the second person of the Godhead is given. Nowhere did Yeshua....

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES Yeshua was a torah observant Jew, Kept the Sabbath, Went to synagogues not Christian Churches, Ate kosher(never ate pork or any non-kosher foods). Paul never taught others to not keep the Torah on the contrary he himself was a torah observant Jew. The only difference was that he taught others that salvation is not obtained by circumcision or by works but by G-ds love and grace. Why do you think the Jews were trying to set him up and couldn't find nothing to charge him with?

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

I gave you very clear verses. If you teach the law and the keeping of the law then you do not teach the truth.

Anyone reading this go back and read the list of verses I gave for confirmation that Paul is teaching freedom from the law.

1 John 5:7 Three in heaven that bear record. Genesis 1:26 Let US make man in OUR Image. TRINITY!

Who resurrected Christ?

God raised Christ Acts 2:32

Holy Spirit raised Christ Romans 8:11

Jesus raised Jesus John 2:19-22

TRINITY.

You Deny Christ

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES Yeshua said keep his commandments and anybody that teaches other not to keep the law will be called LEAST and those that teach other to keep the LAW will be called great. The verse you gave me are taken out of context nowhere does it say not to keep the law it says that salvation doesn't come from keeping the law. the "US" used in genesis does nowhere imply a trinity. G-d talked from a bush to Mosheh does it mean the Bush is part of the Godhead?.

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES He's the second person in the Godhead. Yeshua is YHWH in the flesh. IUf you want to believe polytheism that is up to you but please don't try to make the trinity the base for Christianity. No Prophet nor apostle believed or talked about the trinity, Nowhere in scripture will you find it and as for 1 John 5:7 check the origins of it in the real scriptures. You won't find it because it was added later on.

[THERAPTURECOMES]

@JGVH1988

Oh by all means tell me WHEN 1 John 5:7 was added. This should be very interesting.

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES I said do your own research because I'm not trying to convince you or judge you for what you believe. If you would like to believe in the trinity, abolishment of the law, not keeping the sabbath ,Christmas you're more then free to do so and you have every right. I won't judge you nor will i say you're from Satan(since that's what you called me for not believing in the trinity) you can also believe the Yeshua's followers were Christians but doesn't mean it's true.

[JGVH1988]

@THERAPTURECOMES I'm not hoping to convince you or anything my only advice to you is to stop being so judgmental and intolerant towards those that don't agree with you specially since you claim to represent and follow the Mashiach. I believe in the Mashiach just like you do. I believe His YHWH but i don't believe in the man made doctrines that came later on. May G-d bless you.

[matthewwp56]

I am Eliajh sent to announce YeShua's return. Please pray for me. I was born 12-21-1956 and I will be 56 on 12-21-2012. 56 is 7 x 2(squared) or 7 x 4-square representing God's kingdom (7 God perfection maturity 4 New Jerusalem, God's govt.)

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[Fashionshades]

Stop corrupting Jews! Jews can't be for Jesus!

[4Romans8]

@Fashionshades ~ I agree. Any discerning Yehudim could not accept a Torah breaking, false messiah, greek named "he-A-Zeus".

The TRUE Messiah, YaHUshuaH comes in His Father's Name of YaHUaH (Yochanan 5:43)and guards ALL His Father's commands (Yochanan 15:10).

HalleluYaH !!!

P.S. yeshua is just the Hebrew word for "salvation". A feminine passive particple. The TRUE Messiah's Name is YaH's yeshua or YaH's salvation, YaHUshuaH.

NehemiYaH, ObadiYaH, ZephaniYaH etc. so YaHUshua for sure!

[paulgem123]

@Fashionshades For a Jew or the remnant to embrace Y'shua is as Jewish as it gets. Moses' testimony lines up with it. Not Christianity, but a Jewish Messiah, preaching Jewish things to Obey Torah.

[Fashionshades]

Paulgem are you Jewish?

[paulgem123]

@Fashionshades I would consider myself a Hebrew, yes.

[torahislife]

excellent teaching. I hope you come out with more lessons on YouTune

[validdiscreption]

yes may the overseer of the universe exist israel