To share the Earth in cooperation for all generations to come, A MONEYLESS,CLASSLESS,STATELESS communities of humanity expressing our multitude of creative energies in harmony and wisdom, The current world socio-economic minority imposition is the negation and alienation of our common humanity Capitalism in corporate or state modality is the tyranical rule of RULING ELITE . The awakening is inevitable, the revolution a must
Communism is the perfect state of mankind... if you know the theory of material determinism.. you will see that Marx predicted this era of capitalism (neoliberalism) will be an antecessor for the final era of total human self-knowledge.. the era of communism... long live communism, and salutes for those who try to accelerate the process with no good results (Ussr specificly) .. they maybe did it too earlier and peoplewas not mentally prepared for the final state of society
In all times , in all History , in nature , it's the strongest that rules and exploits the weak .
Sure we can decide to be strong and help others , giving more rights , shelter , wage , less work , .... but you can never privilege someone or a class in a society , whatever this class is . In all ways either this privileged one will become the strongest and do all over again the same stupid ''megalomaniac'' mistakes , or he will remain weak and cannot rule or do any good to his society
@Casper3113 Ok---they're utopians. But what is this "pure" dictatorship you speak of? There were few political freedoms in the USSR, granted, although the difference between Stalin's government and Gorbachev's government was enormous.
...you guys got it all wrong the USSR was not TRUE communism...read more of marx and you will understand that communism is only possible at a global level. No one country can effectively use communism on its own. What happened it the USSR was pure dictatorship at its finest, covered up by false ideals of communism. This is a quite similar concept as the idea that we live in a democratic society. Really think about it, neither has truly existed till this day.
@stamnion Yeah and my boss thinks that killing puppies is wrong just like me :D Nah in reality I think Communism as something that works in a small scale, but we in the end need a little bit of Capitalism to mix with socialism. Well that's more of a compromise. I'm more of a capitalist although I am left wing :P
You guys fail to mention that the modern adaptation (and indeed trial of "communism" was proposed by Lenin) Marx felt that the contradictions in the system would eventually make clear that the system would fall, and a revolution would be created. Marx mentions this revolution as inevitible, Lenin created a revolution he did not wait for it to become obvious and neccessary. And then there is Stalinism which is a completely other story and branch of theory. Maybe one day Mr.Marx will be right
Marx was wrong about the socialism he wanted. It was a Utopia.
But he wasn't wrong about Capitalism; the kind of values it creates, that poison everything and everywhere. 'I consume, therefore I am', the sense of the nonsense.
One might question the supposed virtue of democracy when one considers that most democratic nations are colonial exploiters, while most undemocratic nations are the exploited colonies.
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160 some years later, me, the proletariat, sits in a nice air conditioned house, typing on my computer with cell phone by side, on my confortable chair watching about 90 different channels of TV. Drinking my easily acquired beer and food from the always stocked grociery store, and able to determine my own pay and place in society by choice, wise decision and the ammount of effort I put forth. Ah, the plight of the proletariat makes a kings life look like a hellish existance.
24,000 children die each day due to poverty. Number of children in the world 2.2 billion, number in poverty 1 billion (every second child) In 2005, the wealthiest 20% of the world accounted for 76.6% of total private consumption.
12 percent of the world’s population uses 85 percent of its water, these 12 percent do not live in the Third World. Global priorities in spending in 1998. Cosmetics in the U.S. 8 billion, petfood in us+euro 17, cigarettes in eur 50, military spending in theVworld 780
compare that to what was estimated as additional costs to achieve universal access to basic social services in all developing countries:basic education for all 6 bill, water and sanitation for 9bill, reproductive health for all womyn 12bil, basic health and nutrition 13bil
We have enough resources in the world for all be self sufficient. We do not need to decimate countries through war, debt or other authoritarian intervention. The problem is that huge hierarchical economic structures such as capitalism do not allow for the interest of all humanity to be pursue. This leaves only the desires of the few,whatever that might be, as the trajectory of production and even consumption. Along with that we inhearet the culture that is built around alianated relationships.
you sound like the kind of person who would sell your very soul and the souls of the children to ensure that no child would ever hunger again. spend billions of dollars ensuring that they become dependent on the system. It's time to stop what has not worked and bring in what does: Invest in the parents, let them feed their own children. Teach the adults, let them build their own business in their country. Kiva.org. Competitive Capitalism works where it's tried. Its an evergrowing pie, not limitd
@scrappmutt2 How could an limited amount of resources and labor possibly yeild an evergrowing pie? How do you invest in parents and not children? Do you wait for them to become f*#ked up adults and then invest in them? The vast majority of the world is wallowing in filth and poverty. These are capitalist nations that obey their IMF overlords. Why is capitalism working very well for a tiny portion of the world's population and like shit for everyone else?
@platypusmessiah When I say teach, I mean teach vocational skills. Construction, farming, medicine. This, you can’t teach children. You work on building the domestic economy first. Parents teach their children what they learn, almost all parents want to provide for their children, empower them to. You can work on international relations and exports of resources, allowing imports of res. needed. Then you can build the infrastructure easier and have domestic workforce to do it.
@scrappmutt2 No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
@platypusmessiah Wealth is created by man the rough value of his time and skill You pay a man for his work time and his skill in that job or product he produces. If a person is able to take mud and, with his time and skill, build pottery that is in demand, and trade that pottery, he created wealth essentially out of dirt. Likewise, if I make a database and sell that database to companies needing a data base, I essentially created wealth out of nothing. Edu is key to see that pie grow
@scrappmutt2 No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
@platypusmessiah i suggest we move this discussion to the net created by the glorious socialist societies, not this crap created in capitalist societies.
@Decolinize No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
@Decolinize And you think that they would not of died had there never been capitalism? perhaps they would of never existed, yes. Communism can't keep razors and toilet paper on the shelf, much less food. It is the capitalist in pursuit of a higher standard of living for themselves (or greed) that brought us the standard of living we have. It is the tyrant who keeps those 24k kids in poverty. It is freedom to own and operate competitive business that dragged US out of serfdom; and itl work again
@platypusmessiah@platypusmessiah Maybe I used the wrong word, but my point is that his stronger points are about capitalism; and my opinion is that he didn't made a good enough sistem, I think it can be better; for example and I don't think that when marx said 'Dictadorship of the proletarian' he meant a 'Big Brother'.
@UThinkIamContra No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
@Decolinize No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
@AzyrenIshida ???? All, if you a rich, you pay higher taxes.
But at least, for you it is also clearcommunism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. That Planned economy is the epitome of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
@keithgarry I don't know of any good single source. Google comes to mind, lol, So do the Two Cow examples. Capitalism, listening to Milton Friedman, reading The Wealth of Nations (or audio book), or John Stossel are good, easy to understand sources. A republic, the federalist papers. Fascism, I recomend going straight to the source with a study on Mussolini. Communism: Trotsky, Marx and Cuba. Just think about what they say and how it would apply with real human nature, not just theory
@keithgarry Political ideology has a major split and two general trains of thought. 1, The human species is best suited for a colony type of lifestyle (like ants). There needs to be a "queen" that tells all how to live, a warrior class to enforce, and a worker class. This started with Plato's republic. 2, all people are independent and can live well on their own, but still maintain a society. This started with, well, the dawn of man. Youtube search 'Individualism vs collectivism' watch stickmen.
The only problem is Karl Marx didn't invent modern communism. Todays Communism is simply an adaptation of Marx's ideas. Unfortunately because of human nature Karl Marxs' ideas and ideals are utterly unacheiveable and sadly not even remotely feasable.
I like this idea. Production issues aside, it's very clever.
The only thing that really bothers me is the unemotional reading of Marx & Engels. They wrote with such passion that a bland, monotoned reading of The Communist Manifest is so....wanting...really does leave a lot to be desired.
I'd like to mention one a really big and basic contradiction of communis, The easiest way to say it is to quote George Orwells "Animal Farm".
"Everyone is equal, but the pigs are more equal!" Mr. Cool Voice, you seem to be a pig, as you are supporting communism. But no one wants to be supressed by you as the many people were in the USSR under Stalin. Workers of all Countries, unite! Against the pigs of communism! Good night!
@1776braveheart - As a result, under American capitalism, the standard of living for the poorest among us has risen dramatically over the last 30 years.
- Communism's sales pitch plays on the envious nature of man.
- It's ironic that the majority of communism's protagonists never lived in a communist society, whereas the majority of people who lived under a communist reign are it's antagonists.
- Communism makes the state the highest good, whereas, in free societies, the state exists only to serve the people. As a result, over 100 million people died in the 20th century in order to advance the greater good of the communist state. Nothing was mentioned here in this video by Mr Cool Voice. If you are going to discuss oppression, this seems pretty intellectually dishonest!
- Mr Cool Voice probably wrote this after driving to his $50K a year liberal arts school in the BMW with a $3 latte in his hand, all paid for by his capitalist parents! My question to Mr Cool Voice is "Did Mommy and Daddy not give you enough attention when you were growing up!?!"
- Lesson for all - you can go through life blaming others for your problems, and you will never succeed. Or, you are free to leave. It's a free country.
DO NO OF YOU COMMUNISTS HAVE ANY REBUTTAL TO MY SHORTY THESIS REFUTING YOUR BEOVED ISM??? THE IRONIC THING HERE IS THAT YOU CAN PROMOTE COMMUNISM ALL YOU WANT IN A FREE SOCIETY, AND ONLY FACE THE WRATH OF LOGIC, BUT I REALIZE THAT I WILL END UP IN A CAMP FOR WRITING THIS IF YOU EVER TAKE CONTROL.
@mistarcraw I hope you live in a Commie country like Cuba you fool. Then you may have room to talk. But you're probably the product of a spoiled rich envirnment. Loads of over education, no experience, no common sense. Never worked for a living, never got taxed to death like common working folk. You are a clueless prick and your kind is the worst plague in human history
@pigletized haha hey man, it's stick together or hang separately, it's you and me against them, or it'll be me today and you tomorrow. anyway, i used to be basically a libertarian and hold just about the same beliefs as you, studyin alot of freemarket economics. but then i accidentally read some history on what the free market "shock therapy" did to Chile and Russia, and Iraq now, and i studied what i wanted to do (finance) closer and looked at its history, and eventually i realized the truth
@pigletized well its okay man, for now there is some time bought because most of the stuff americans use is being made abroad, all the manufacturing went away to third world places where life have gotten worse and worse [but i guess at least now they have more factories]. hopefully those places will rise up, manufacturing will come back here, & then we wouldnt be bribed away by cheap [poisonous] plastic consumer goods, and we can achieve Paine/Smith/Jefferson/Franklin's idea of justice for all
@pigletized yeah, me too. i was actually born in the soviet union but i dont remember it, I moved to the US and grew up in a really conservative area in Texas and bought into it completely. I'm glad I got out of that mindset eventually, though it was really hard for a while, but now comes the long task of learning for myself what to believe and what's true, in a world with layers and layers of lies and distortion. but nothing worthy comes easy, good luck my friend!
@pigletized and it's hard man, its really hard to finally understand you're on the wrong side. If you want to learn why, you can go directly to the source, Adam Smith:
"government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all. " The same Smith that wrote in defence of workers organizing themselves against greedy owners. Smith is now censored.
control the money supply and you control all else that matters... its really that simple .. communism was created and funded by the western financial institutions..
communism s true purpose is control of the people and elimination of competition..
control the money supply and you control all else that matters... its really that simple .. communism was created and funded by the western financial institutions..
communism s true purpose is control of the people and elimination of competition..
@pigletized "Stalin was responsible for torturing and butchering over 30 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS!!! We need to destroy every single Communist on the planet." AHHAHA
CHINA IS A STATE-CAPITALIST, ALL OWEND BY THE STAT+ENORMAL CRAPITALISM. ISRAEL ARE FASCIST/ZIONIST-IMPERIALIST SUPPORTERS,.
BTW: Oppostional-Dmocracy=Oppostional-Dictator The term 'Democracy' dosen't really excist anymore, period. Allso nobody said dicator couldn't work whith opinional-dictatorb for the ppls.
Conservative-lerbatariab-Liberals, STOP YOUR BRAINWASHING!
It actually has lengthy empirical evidence to prove it is correct even for todays standards. GO BACK AND LEARN HISTORY BEFORE YOU POKE YOUR CHEST OUT AND MAKE IT THE UGLY STEPMOTHER. F*&K the bourgeoisie! Rise to the Proletariat
dr cruel queer is a Bourgeoisie. People like u need 2 b castrated. Marxism is not a party. It is actually a philosophical idea. It was a statement of what is to come. It is about Capitalism, socialism and communism. It put into context what was the logical out comes with these 3 new ways a state could use its governance. (Remember the European 19th century; it has all the answers ((kings and queens fool)).
BOTH capitalist and socialist primitive accumulation has been characterized by necessary but brutal applications of force in order to produce surpluses beyond the technology of the day IN ORDER TO build (rather, push ahead) the material basis for ANOTHER, more progressive, technology---a material basis in which to provide greater abundance.
This process owes itself, and its brutality, not to ideology, or even the application of ideology (be it capitalist or socialist) but instead to its TECHNICAL basis---namely industrialization. Primitive accumulation is a predicate for industrialization.
The capital-rich industrially-developed nations, and the resource-rich industrially underdeveloped nations, form a productive whole. The underdevelopment of the latter is no coincidence; indeed, it is a GOAL of the developed nations to SUSTAIN the industrial backwardness of the colonies and neocolonies.
The technology and capital that is used to plunder these satellites is almost invariably held by the creditors, the exporters of capital, while the plundered nations barter in only the rawest of materials---perpetually.
Not like capitalism, that has two thirds the world starving in the rain, so you can eat strawberry milkshake Oreo's, in the first world. At least the Soviet Union providied some check on the insatiable war lust of the United States.
That was yesterday's scam. Our benevolent weasel comrades are speaking of a new scam, which they promise will turn out much better this time.
Plus, if you don't agree to be enslaved, they threaten to kill you. "Trembling", all that.
Marxists are basically dishonest Nazis. They do exactly what Nazis do, are certainly as power hungry, violent and racist, but are much less likely to admit to it - even when caught "red-handed", as it were.
Communist are the only reason Nazis don't rule the world at the moment. Fascism is the tool resorted to when the ruling class becomes terrified enough of communist revolution.
Marxism does not kill you if you don't want to play by the rules of "Each according to ability/need." It kindly asks you to leave first and not leech on society.
I don't see why Marxists would be racist. And why would they resemble Nazis at all when Marxists do not believe in boundaries of country or nation? They are considered granfalloons of modern times.
Power hungry, maybe, but rather disillusioned; this is why they resort to violence.
I'm not sure if you know what a Nazi or a Marxist is.
Not true. For decades Marxists in a number of countries claimed ownership rights of their citizens, and refused to allow them to leave their "communist utopias".
Marxists are racist for the same reason Nazis were racist - it acts as a useful reason for killing people and taking their stuff. See Bolshevik treatment of the Ukranians, Maoist treatement of Tibetians, Vietnamese communists treatment of Hmong, etc.
Marxists are pirates. It's an international gang of co-operating criminals.
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This whole business becomes a lot easier to understand, once one realizes that Marxism isn't an actual political movement, but rather a very nasty transnational corporation, in the process of attempting to form a monopoly on labour and access to raw materials.
DrCruel you rascal. Hanging around fighting the cold war on the You Tube. Marxism is a science and with your doctorate I would think you'd look more deeply into it then just a glance at a John Bircher rag.
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Alchemy is a science too. So is astrology. When I think of Marxist economic theory, I'm reminded of Ptolemy's epicycles. The difference being, that at least alchemy and astrology contributed something of lasting worth to their modern incarnations. Marxism is more like a secular justification for a modern version of feudalism.
As for John Birch, I haven't seen any of their stuff. My problem with Marxism is its uncanny resemblance to German fascism. They simply substitute capitalists for Jews.
Certainly they aren't very socialist - at least not in any authentic sense. But a robotniki in the Soviet Union would recognize a great deal in the PRC, especially the laogais.
But China is more like a Left fascist hybrid than a true Marxist state. For one, instead of mindlessly killing business entrepreneurs, they simply retain ownership rights and extort them to the limit. They also seem to have given up on communal farms. This is more in line with the Nazis more efficient management model.
@platypusmessiah-And the fact that it's more of a Authoritarian Oligarchy that anything else. They call themselves Communist like they call themselves a "People's REPUBLIC".
More like hard to swallow the same old Leftist crap. Especially after over a century of Marxist mass murder, misery, socialist slavery and totalitarian disasters.
The real problem with capitalist societies is that, by generating vast wealth, it attracts the most ruthless thieves. The worst, most ruthless and murderous amongst these thieves are Marxists.
Since a simple "no" will not do for such people, it behooves people who deal with them to arm themselves. Then let the Marxists tremble.
No need for the warning - the mass killings following the end of the Vietnam War were reason enough to be prepared against your kind.
As for "winning", that seems to only happen in countries where the nation is already near collapse - and the people are ignorant of your true nature. No country ever allowed the Marxist Left fascists into power twice.
And incidentally - the war between the former Nazi and Bolshevik allies was between two competing, similar factions of Left socialists.
The Nazis and fascism in general, are a capitalist response to the threat of workers revolution. Hitler had the full backing of the capitalist in Germany. He crushed the unions, and nationalized nothing. I don't know were you heard that no one has let Marxist into power twice, but a large portion of the Eastern bloc still elect Communist and socialist. See Venezuala, Nicaragua, Nepal, Bolivia and so forth.
Yeah, I heard that one before. This after the Nazis took control of industry in Germany and made a sweetheart deal with the Bolsheviks to split Eastern Europe between them.
Down the list:
Venezuela - Elections there are a joke. The place is run by Chavez and his goons.
Nicaragua - got into power in 2006 only after pretending to drop Marxist ideology. Once back in readopted ideology. 2008 election was a farce.
Nepal - Glad you admit these are Marxists; took power through terrorism.
The only leftist in the National Socialist party of Germany belonged to branch headed by Strasser, they were alarmed to find that Hitler was a staunch capitalist. The entire branch was wiped out in the night of the long knives, by their own comrades. Can you name one independent group in the world that claims the elections in Venezuela or Nicaragua were anything but democratic? The Maoist in Nepal were elected, the masses are generally upset they gave up the armed struggle.
In the WSJ article I read on Ortega, the faulting NGO was WOLA. As for Venezuela, Transparency International rates the government under Chavez as one of the most corrupt in the world.
No doubt neither will be presumed to be "independant". As for Nepal, whoever these "masses" might be they apparently are not representative of the common people (as usual), who are terrified of the Maobadi and simply want the random killings and forced recruitment of children to stop.
Yes they want the killing to stop so they can go back to lives of hopeless poverty and despair like the vast majority of the capitalist world. The elephant in the room is the fact that under capitalism twenty percent of the world's population controls eighty percent of the world's wealth, this leads to contradictions, and ensures that us commies will be around for a long time to come. Socialism or extinction.
Yes they want the Maobadi to stop killing them and kidnapping their kids, so they can get back to their lives. They are apparently insufficiently "politically conscious", so they don't see how killing them and their kids advances social justice in what had, prior to Chinese communist involvement, been one ot the most peaceful and stable nations in the region since pre-conquest Tibet.
What ensures that Marxism will persist is that stealing and murder is profitable. That's why Marxists do it.
The 2nd poorest nation on earth, mostly illeterate. Sorry the Marxist ruined another hot vacation spot for rich white imperialist. How dare the Maoist disturb such a Shangra-li? Those people were happy under fuedal slavery, in their repective Caste systems, I suppose. Just because China managed to save Tibet, doesn't mean Nepal should languish.
I'm sure the Maobadi use their Chinese-supplied arms and munitions to kidnap and kill Nepalese peasants for their own economic good. No doubt using enslaved children as bullet porters is only one small step on the road to Nepalese prosperity.
Not finished with that one though. Let's also claim that the depopulation of Tibet, in favor of resettled Han Chinese, is a form of "salvation". Or perhaps a Manifest Destiny?
And you lot have the nerve to claim you aren't fascists. There's a laugh.
Ha! The Dalai Lama owned 20,000 slaves, how many slaves to the Han Chinese have? The average life expextancy before liberation was forty, now it's 65. Schools, hospitals, roads, the end of a stupifiying superstitous feudal religious system, how terrible! If the people of Nepal hate the Maoist so much, why do they win all these elections? How many women and lower caste people have tasted freedom for the first time thaks to the maoist?
one more thing. The word 'fascist' has a set definition. You can't just throw it around at anyone with a uniform and a gun. Communists are by definiton not fascist.
I have never in my life seen the word socialist used in a definition of Fascism, I think this may be an innovation of yours. Fascism, did adopt some of the tactics of the street fighting Communist youth groups of Europe, but they employed them to oppisite goals. In America even Karl Rove tells Republican strategist to read Lenin. That doesn't make Marxism neo-conservative.
Nazism was socialist, actually. Other fascist movements were less so. Portuguese and particularly Spanish fascism were actually truly "right-wing", in the classical sense - they were pro-Catholic, and Franco was a monarchist.
As for Marxists, who use socialism as an excuse for mass robbery and mass murder, I see litlle to distinguish the two. So let the workers of the world unite - against the socialist thieves, as I have. Once we're strong enough, perhaps the cowards will leave us be.
The communists that backed the Soviet Union, and that back (still today) North Korea and Cuba apparently thought (and think) otherwise.
I judge Marxist movements not by what they claim to champion, but on what they do in practice. From what I've seen, they kill off anyone who opposes them, then use the workers as slaves. That's what Marxism means to me.
Fascism, by contrast, was something of a reform. And indeed, all successful Marxist states invariably evolve into a fascist collectivism.
So then, I postulate that Marx was wrong, and that Marxists know this. I claim that the despotic societies that follow Marxist revolutions are not "abberations" or "errors", but instead the purpose of said revolutions from the Party's vantage. And indeed Marxists, and precious few else, prosper after a successful Marxist revolution. Most workers end up enslaved.
This kind of opportunistic thuggery is what is behind most fascist revolutions as well. So I feel quite justified in equating them.
The USSR of the mid-1980s was a MUCH more progressive culture than it was in, say, 1936; I posit that given the SAME period of development that America has enjoyed---i.e., CENTURIES---it would have SURPASSED America's level of abundance and, in its trail, multitudinous freedoms and rights.
Already read the leaflet - the Red Cross gave them out to US soldiers in Bosnia.
It's a crock. Marx either claims already existing movements as his own (ie, universal education) or advocates kleptocratic "reforms" that are proven social disasters.
Read it again for yourself, preferably with a description of feudalist society close at hand. If you're at all intellectually honest, you'll clearly see the parallels.
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So, ostentatiously, did the Catholic church (indeed implying that the "end times" would herald such an ultimate development). Similarly, the practical manifestation of this theoretical system invariably turns into a form of feudalism.
It's also why feudal societies (Tsarist Russia, China, the Latin American states, etc) are so much more susceptible to Marxist-style governments than modern, developed "capitalist" countries.
The 'beacon of world democracy,' America, has in ITS history nothing less shameful. America's history is characterized by slave labor (Africans), ethnic genocide (Native Americans), rampant imperialism (Mexico, Philippines, Cuba, etc.,) and the restriction of individual freedom
(indentured servitude, lack of political representation for women, etc., etc.).
I find this quite disturbing.
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To share the Earth in cooperation for all generations to come, A MONEYLESS,CLASSLESS,STATELESS communities of humanity expressing our multitude of creative energies in harmony and wisdom, The current world socio-economic minority imposition is the negation and alienation of our common humanity Capitalism in corporate or state modality is the tyranical rule of RULING ELITE . The awakening is inevitable, the revolution a must
arzoyan 3 months ago
Communism is the perfect state of mankind... if you know the theory of material determinism.. you will see that Marx predicted this era of capitalism (neoliberalism) will be an antecessor for the final era of total human self-knowledge.. the era of communism... long live communism, and salutes for those who try to accelerate the process with no good results (Ussr specificly) .. they maybe did it too earlier and peoplewas not mentally prepared for the final state of society
sicoticosandro 5 months ago 6
Y'all know that the left wing really is the wrong path while those who claim to be right wing don't really follow the right path.
randomlaughable 7 months ago
In all times , in all History , in nature , it's the strongest that rules and exploits the weak .
Sure we can decide to be strong and help others , giving more rights , shelter , wage , less work , .... but you can never privilege someone or a class in a society , whatever this class is . In all ways either this privileged one will become the strongest and do all over again the same stupid ''megalomaniac'' mistakes , or he will remain weak and cannot rule or do any good to his society
Mirrorswitchillusion 9 months ago
@Mirrorswitchillusion
the class contradictions disappear, if capital is taken away from the hands of the few
pinkkang 7 months ago
I saw this years ago on Free Speech TV and absolutely loved it. Thank you so much for putting it up here so I could see it again.
OgreVI 10 months ago
@Keepsu lol this isnt directed at you, look at what others posted
Casper3113 1 year ago
@Casper3113 Ok---they're utopians. But what is this "pure" dictatorship you speak of? There were few political freedoms in the USSR, granted, although the difference between Stalin's government and Gorbachev's government was enormous.
Keepsu 1 year ago
...you guys got it all wrong the USSR was not TRUE communism...read more of marx and you will understand that communism is only possible at a global level. No one country can effectively use communism on its own. What happened it the USSR was pure dictatorship at its finest, covered up by false ideals of communism. This is a quite similar concept as the idea that we live in a democratic society. Really think about it, neither has truly existed till this day.
Casper3113 1 year ago 2
@Casper3113 No shit Sherlock---the Soviet Union was state-socialist; that's why it was called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Keepsu 1 year ago
i am not a communist but good video
though i would have to say that communism does not work.
its a good idea but it just wont work
LogicalThinker667 1 year ago
@LogicalThinker667 How cliched can you get??
Schniddo 9 months ago
@LogicalThinker667 does not work? LOL!! That's your boss's idea too! think about that!
stamnion 7 months ago
@stamnion Yeah and my boss thinks that killing puppies is wrong just like me :D Nah in reality I think Communism as something that works in a small scale, but we in the end need a little bit of Capitalism to mix with socialism. Well that's more of a compromise. I'm more of a capitalist although I am left wing :P
LogicalThinker667 7 months ago
Where are the ten planks?
pylgrym 1 year ago
y'all should be interested to see what went wrong with communism in the USSR:
Human Resoures - Social engineering in the 20th century
metanoia-films org / humanresources php
rspawn 1 year ago
only time will tell.
Duder871 1 year ago
You guys fail to mention that the modern adaptation (and indeed trial of "communism" was proposed by Lenin) Marx felt that the contradictions in the system would eventually make clear that the system would fall, and a revolution would be created. Marx mentions this revolution as inevitible, Lenin created a revolution he did not wait for it to become obvious and neccessary. And then there is Stalinism which is a completely other story and branch of theory. Maybe one day Mr.Marx will be right
Duder871 1 year ago
Marx was wrong about the socialism he wanted. It was a Utopia.
But he wasn't wrong about Capitalism; the kind of values it creates, that poison everything and everywhere. 'I consume, therefore I am', the sense of the nonsense.
UThinkIamContra 1 year ago
@UThinkIamContra Have you ever read anything by Marx? The manifesto is directly followed by his critique of utopian socialism, it's in the same book.
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UThinkIamContra 1 year ago
One might question the supposed virtue of democracy when one considers that most democratic nations are colonial exploiters, while most undemocratic nations are the exploited colonies.
Keepsu 1 year ago
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160 some years later, me, the proletariat, sits in a nice air conditioned house, typing on my computer with cell phone by side, on my confortable chair watching about 90 different channels of TV. Drinking my easily acquired beer and food from the always stocked grociery store, and able to determine my own pay and place in society by choice, wise decision and the ammount of effort I put forth. Ah, the plight of the proletariat makes a kings life look like a hellish existance.
scrappmutt2 1 year ago
24,000 children die each day due to poverty. Number of children in the world 2.2 billion, number in poverty 1 billion (every second child) In 2005, the wealthiest 20% of the world accounted for 76.6% of total private consumption.
12 percent of the world’s population uses 85 percent of its water, these 12 percent do not live in the Third World. Global priorities in spending in 1998. Cosmetics in the U.S. 8 billion, petfood in us+euro 17, cigarettes in eur 50, military spending in theVworld 780
Decolinize 1 year ago 47
compare that to what was estimated as additional costs to achieve universal access to basic social services in all developing countries:basic education for all 6 bill, water and sanitation for 9bill, reproductive health for all womyn 12bil, basic health and nutrition 13bil
Decolinize 1 year ago 15
We have enough resources in the world for all be self sufficient. We do not need to decimate countries through war, debt or other authoritarian intervention. The problem is that huge hierarchical economic structures such as capitalism do not allow for the interest of all humanity to be pursue. This leaves only the desires of the few,whatever that might be, as the trajectory of production and even consumption. Along with that we inhearet the culture that is built around alianated relationships.
Decolinize 1 year ago 19
you sound like the kind of person who would sell your very soul and the souls of the children to ensure that no child would ever hunger again. spend billions of dollars ensuring that they become dependent on the system. It's time to stop what has not worked and bring in what does: Invest in the parents, let them feed their own children. Teach the adults, let them build their own business in their country. Kiva.org. Competitive Capitalism works where it's tried. Its an evergrowing pie, not limitd
scrappmutt2 1 year ago
@scrappmutt2 How could an limited amount of resources and labor possibly yeild an evergrowing pie? How do you invest in parents and not children? Do you wait for them to become f*#ked up adults and then invest in them? The vast majority of the world is wallowing in filth and poverty. These are capitalist nations that obey their IMF overlords. Why is capitalism working very well for a tiny portion of the world's population and like shit for everyone else?
platypusmessiah 1 year ago 2
@platypusmessiah When I say teach, I mean teach vocational skills. Construction, farming, medicine. This, you can’t teach children. You work on building the domestic economy first. Parents teach their children what they learn, almost all parents want to provide for their children, empower them to. You can work on international relations and exports of resources, allowing imports of res. needed. Then you can build the infrastructure easier and have domestic workforce to do it.
scrappmutt2 1 year ago
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@scrappmutt2 No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@platypusmessiah Wealth is created by man the rough value of his time and skill You pay a man for his work time and his skill in that job or product he produces. If a person is able to take mud and, with his time and skill, build pottery that is in demand, and trade that pottery, he created wealth essentially out of dirt. Likewise, if I make a database and sell that database to companies needing a data base, I essentially created wealth out of nothing. Edu is key to see that pie grow
scrappmutt2 1 year ago
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@scrappmutt2 No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@platypusmessiah i suggest we move this discussion to the net created by the glorious socialist societies, not this crap created in capitalist societies.
WTheB 1 year ago
@Decolinize Send them your income and pay for them and save the world!
pigletized 1 year ago
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@Decolinize No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@Decolinize And you think that they would not of died had there never been capitalism? perhaps they would of never existed, yes. Communism can't keep razors and toilet paper on the shelf, much less food. It is the capitalist in pursuit of a higher standard of living for themselves (or greed) that brought us the standard of living we have. It is the tyrant who keeps those 24k kids in poverty. It is freedom to own and operate competitive business that dragged US out of serfdom; and itl work again
scrappmutt2 1 year ago
@scrappmutt2 It is outright theft by violence that gives the first world its living standard.
platypusmessiah 1 year ago 3
@platypusmessiah @platypusmessiah Maybe I used the wrong word, but my point is that his stronger points are about capitalism; and my opinion is that he didn't made a good enough sistem, I think it can be better; for example and I don't think that when marx said 'Dictadorship of the proletarian' he meant a 'Big Brother'.
UThinkIamContra 1 year ago
@UThinkIamContra No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@Decolinize Let us all flee to North-Korea!
WTheB 1 year ago
@Decolinize So send them your paycheck and pay for them!
pigletized 1 year ago
@Decolinize No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron Name one country in which capitalism doesn't favor the rich.
AzyrenIshida 1 year ago 3
@AzyrenIshida ???? All, if you a rich, you pay higher taxes.
But at least, for you it is also clearcommunism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. That Planned economy is the epitome of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron Communism solved the unfairness problem, broke down the barrier between classes, and limited power of greedy corporations
AzyrenIshida 1 year ago 3
@AzyrenIshida Kid, get a dick your pants before talking to adults. Then read, learn, and then we can talk, fool.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron Unlike you, I can actually answer questions.
AzyrenIshida 1 year ago
@AzyrenIshida Fuckhead, who wants to answer non-thought through comments and questions of stupid little kids???
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron You are trying to prove your knowledge by cussing off a child? I pity your life
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@Decolinize
watch?v=OE1nJJBoxvk&feature=related
Nothing more need to be said.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@scrappmutt2
well said. Would you happen to know where I can find more information on political systems and history?
keithgarry 1 year ago
@keithgarry I don't know of any good single source. Google comes to mind, lol, So do the Two Cow examples. Capitalism, listening to Milton Friedman, reading The Wealth of Nations (or audio book), or John Stossel are good, easy to understand sources. A republic, the federalist papers. Fascism, I recomend going straight to the source with a study on Mussolini. Communism: Trotsky, Marx and Cuba. Just think about what they say and how it would apply with real human nature, not just theory
scrappmutt2 1 year ago
@keithgarry Political ideology has a major split and two general trains of thought. 1, The human species is best suited for a colony type of lifestyle (like ants). There needs to be a "queen" that tells all how to live, a warrior class to enforce, and a worker class. This started with Plato's republic. 2, all people are independent and can live well on their own, but still maintain a society. This started with, well, the dawn of man. Youtube search 'Individualism vs collectivism' watch stickmen.
scrappmutt2 1 year ago
20th century and capitalism have brought the middle class idiot.
CelticKraut 1 year ago
The only problem is Karl Marx didn't invent modern communism. Todays Communism is simply an adaptation of Marx's ideas. Unfortunately because of human nature Karl Marxs' ideas and ideals are utterly unacheiveable and sadly not even remotely feasable.
Garethaxz 1 year ago
@Garethaxz I Agree.
UThinkIamContra 1 year ago
This was just copied pasted from the communist manifesto, and some added bits.
leftistmarx 1 year ago
This would have been as revolutionary in Soviet Russia as it was in post-industrial Europe. Just replace "Bourgeoisie" with "Party Members".
Great ideas, one day we shall execute them properly!
chazmeistro 1 year ago
I like this idea. Production issues aside, it's very clever.
The only thing that really bothers me is the unemotional reading of Marx & Engels. They wrote with such passion that a bland, monotoned reading of The Communist Manifest is so....wanting...really does leave a lot to be desired.
Good work!
budash2 1 year ago
I'd like to mention one a really big and basic contradiction of communis, The easiest way to say it is to quote George Orwells "Animal Farm".
"Everyone is equal, but the pigs are more equal!" Mr. Cool Voice, you seem to be a pig, as you are supporting communism. But no one wants to be supressed by you as the many people were in the USSR under Stalin. Workers of all Countries, unite! Against the pigs of communism! Good night!
TreCool412 1 year ago
This is an excellent cartoon and covers the main points of the theory beautifully.
skepticaltuber 1 year ago
Fatal flaws of Communism I'd like to point out to Mr. Cool Voice:
- Assumes the nature of man is good, and not self centered. Assumes that imposing a new system will change man's nature.
- Bread and Circus are the true opiates of society, not religion.
- Real wages in capitalist societies increase rather than decrease.
1776braveheart 1 year ago
@1776braveheart - As a result, under American capitalism, the standard of living for the poorest among us has risen dramatically over the last 30 years.
- Communism's sales pitch plays on the envious nature of man.
- It's ironic that the majority of communism's protagonists never lived in a communist society, whereas the majority of people who lived under a communist reign are it's antagonists.
1776braveheart 1 year ago
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- Communism makes the state the highest good, whereas, in free societies, the state exists only to serve the people. As a result, over 100 million people died in the 20th century in order to advance the greater good of the communist state. Nothing was mentioned here in this video by Mr Cool Voice. If you are going to discuss oppression, this seems pretty intellectually dishonest!
1776braveheart 1 year ago
@1776braveheart
- Mr Cool Voice probably wrote this after driving to his $50K a year liberal arts school in the BMW with a $3 latte in his hand, all paid for by his capitalist parents! My question to Mr Cool Voice is "Did Mommy and Daddy not give you enough attention when you were growing up!?!"
- Lesson for all - you can go through life blaming others for your problems, and you will never succeed. Or, you are free to leave. It's a free country.
1776braveheart 1 year ago
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DO NO OF YOU COMMUNISTS HAVE ANY REBUTTAL TO MY SHORTY THESIS REFUTING YOUR BEOVED ISM??? THE IRONIC THING HERE IS THAT YOU CAN PROMOTE COMMUNISM ALL YOU WANT IN A FREE SOCIETY, AND ONLY FACE THE WRATH OF LOGIC, BUT I REALIZE THAT I WILL END UP IN A CAMP FOR WRITING THIS IF YOU EVER TAKE CONTROL.
1776braveheart 1 year ago
@1776braveheart Kewl story, bro. Under communism you will get a new keyboard that doesn't have a stuck caps lock key.
marcelthemaoist 1 year ago
@marcelthemaoist under socialism everyone in possession of a caps lock key are to be shot
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pigletized 1 year ago
@mistarcraw I hope you live in a Commie country like Cuba you fool. Then you may have room to talk. But you're probably the product of a spoiled rich envirnment. Loads of over education, no experience, no common sense. Never worked for a living, never got taxed to death like common working folk. You are a clueless prick and your kind is the worst plague in human history
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pigletized 1 year ago
@pigletized haha hey man, it's stick together or hang separately, it's you and me against them, or it'll be me today and you tomorrow. anyway, i used to be basically a libertarian and hold just about the same beliefs as you, studyin alot of freemarket economics. but then i accidentally read some history on what the free market "shock therapy" did to Chile and Russia, and Iraq now, and i studied what i wanted to do (finance) closer and looked at its history, and eventually i realized the truth
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pigletized 1 year ago
@pigletized well its okay man, for now there is some time bought because most of the stuff americans use is being made abroad, all the manufacturing went away to third world places where life have gotten worse and worse [but i guess at least now they have more factories]. hopefully those places will rise up, manufacturing will come back here, & then we wouldnt be bribed away by cheap [poisonous] plastic consumer goods, and we can achieve Paine/Smith/Jefferson/Franklin's idea of justice for all
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pigletized 1 year ago
@mistarcraw My father came from a Communist country and taught me to hate it. Today is a new day. I don't have to hate.
pigletized 1 year ago
@pigletized yeah, me too. i was actually born in the soviet union but i dont remember it, I moved to the US and grew up in a really conservative area in Texas and bought into it completely. I'm glad I got out of that mindset eventually, though it was really hard for a while, but now comes the long task of learning for myself what to believe and what's true, in a world with layers and layers of lies and distortion. but nothing worthy comes easy, good luck my friend!
mistarcraw 1 year ago
@mistarcraw Thank You.
pigletized 1 year ago
@pigletized and it's hard man, its really hard to finally understand you're on the wrong side. If you want to learn why, you can go directly to the source, Adam Smith:
"government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all. " The same Smith that wrote in defence of workers organizing themselves against greedy owners. Smith is now censored.
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control the money supply and you control all else that matters... its really that simple .. communism was created and funded by the western financial institutions..
communism s true purpose is control of the people and elimination of competition..
its really just a monopoly
finefilth 1 year ago
control the money supply and you control all else that matters... its really that simple .. communism was created and funded by the western financial institutions..
communism s true purpose is control of the people and elimination of competition..
its really just a monopoly
finefilth 1 year ago
This was awesome - smart, funny, creative. A terrific video
nwchap 1 year ago
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pigletized 1 year ago
@pigletized "Stalin was responsible for torturing and butchering over 30 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS!!! We need to destroy every single Communist on the planet." AHHAHA
mistarcraw 1 year ago
Communists PARASITE of the history.
mptrax 1 year ago
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pigletized 1 year ago
North Korea ARE A A CAPITALIST DICATORSHIP
CHINA IS A STATE-CAPITALIST, ALL OWEND BY THE STAT+ENORMAL CRAPITALISM. ISRAEL ARE FASCIST/ZIONIST-IMPERIALIST SUPPORTERS,.
BTW: Oppostional-Dmocracy=Oppostional-Dictator The term 'Democracy' dosen't really excist anymore, period. Allso nobody said dicator couldn't work whith opinional-dictatorb for the ppls.
Conservative-lerbatariab-Liberals, STOP YOUR BRAINWASHING!
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
@MagnitudePerson What was the punchline?
nilbud 1 year ago
where do get people those lies like:
"Communism is like fascism..."
WTF?????
iownage4youi 1 year ago
Too bad communist wouldn't work... however, anti-statism or anarchy if you would like, would.
l1xx3r 1 year ago
@l1xx3r Never did, never will, stop being a child.
nilbud 1 year ago
i am being censored
finefilth 1 year ago
strawman strawman sockpuppet sockpuppet trolling trolls trolling troll trolls.
ah! youtube never changes :)
StruhDaehYm 1 year ago
It actually has lengthy empirical evidence to prove it is correct even for todays standards. GO BACK AND LEARN HISTORY BEFORE YOU POKE YOUR CHEST OUT AND MAKE IT THE UGLY STEPMOTHER. F*&K the bourgeoisie! Rise to the Proletariat
presidentbrutus 1 year ago 5
@presidentbrutus
comparison?
WTheB 1 year ago
dr cruel queer is a Bourgeoisie. People like u need 2 b castrated. Marxism is not a party. It is actually a philosophical idea. It was a statement of what is to come. It is about Capitalism, socialism and communism. It put into context what was the logical out comes with these 3 new ways a state could use its governance. (Remember the European 19th century; it has all the answers ((kings and queens fool)).
presidentbrutus 1 year ago
Wonderful! he is right you know "Workers of the world unite!"
"If waking a Tiger use a long stick" Mao Zedong
cultofmao 1 year ago
BOTH capitalist and socialist primitive accumulation has been characterized by necessary but brutal applications of force in order to produce surpluses beyond the technology of the day IN ORDER TO build (rather, push ahead) the material basis for ANOTHER, more progressive, technology---a material basis in which to provide greater abundance.
Keepsu 2 years ago
@Keepsu
This process owes itself, and its brutality, not to ideology, or even the application of ideology (be it capitalist or socialist) but instead to its TECHNICAL basis---namely industrialization. Primitive accumulation is a predicate for industrialization.
Keepsu 2 years ago
The capital-rich industrially-developed nations, and the resource-rich industrially underdeveloped nations, form a productive whole. The underdevelopment of the latter is no coincidence; indeed, it is a GOAL of the developed nations to SUSTAIN the industrial backwardness of the colonies and neocolonies.
Keepsu 2 years ago 4
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The technology and capital that is used to plunder these satellites is almost invariably held by the creditors, the exporters of capital, while the plundered nations barter in only the rawest of materials---perpetually.
Keepsu 2 years ago
IT'S TIME FOR A REVOLUTION. NOW!
ThePaintermanful 2 years ago 2
communism is perfect, its man that screws it up into an oppressive and totalitarian government
KHfan9100 2 years ago 4
Workers of all countries UNITE!
sanyikamtl 2 years ago 4
Congratulations. This video is outstanding. Thanks for spread up the word.
guilhermemere 2 years ago
If Communism is so great how come the USSR and ALL their friends can now only found is a history book. Communism was 70 year road to nowhere lol. :P
ohmitered408 2 years ago
Not like capitalism, that has two thirds the world starving in the rain, so you can eat strawberry milkshake Oreo's, in the first world. At least the Soviet Union providied some check on the insatiable war lust of the United States.
blueplaydoh3 2 years ago
That was yesterday's scam. Our benevolent weasel comrades are speaking of a new scam, which they promise will turn out much better this time.
Plus, if you don't agree to be enslaved, they threaten to kill you. "Trembling", all that.
Marxists are basically dishonest Nazis. They do exactly what Nazis do, are certainly as power hungry, violent and racist, but are much less likely to admit to it - even when caught "red-handed", as it were.
DrCruel 2 years ago
Communist are the only reason Nazis don't rule the world at the moment. Fascism is the tool resorted to when the ruling class becomes terrified enough of communist revolution.
blueplaydoh3 2 years ago 2
Sadly nominally communist leaders were particularily fond of using it ;)
StruhDaehYm 1 year ago
Marxism does not kill you if you don't want to play by the rules of "Each according to ability/need." It kindly asks you to leave first and not leech on society.
I don't see why Marxists would be racist. And why would they resemble Nazis at all when Marxists do not believe in boundaries of country or nation? They are considered granfalloons of modern times.
Power hungry, maybe, but rather disillusioned; this is why they resort to violence.
I'm not sure if you know what a Nazi or a Marxist is.
DamazViccar 2 years ago
Not true. For decades Marxists in a number of countries claimed ownership rights of their citizens, and refused to allow them to leave their "communist utopias".
Marxists are racist for the same reason Nazis were racist - it acts as a useful reason for killing people and taking their stuff. See Bolshevik treatment of the Ukranians, Maoist treatement of Tibetians, Vietnamese communists treatment of Hmong, etc.
Marxists are pirates. It's an international gang of co-operating criminals.
DrCruel 2 years ago
Hitler achieved presidency in a fair election. Does that make him democratic?
Bush won in an "incorruptible" election. He claims to be a representative of democracy.
My country's scum bathe in their self-indulgence of being democratic. Their thievery is the cause the country's deficits.
Only because a fascist claims to be a Marxist, it doesn't make him/her one. Same for a demagogue who claims to be a democratic leader.
Marxism can't end up as a dictatorship in the first place.
DamazViccar 2 years ago
"Rome wasn't built in a day" "It comes to he who waits"
"Don't count your Chickens until they are hatched"
:)
cultofmao 1 year ago
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This whole business becomes a lot easier to understand, once one realizes that Marxism isn't an actual political movement, but rather a very nasty transnational corporation, in the process of attempting to form a monopoly on labour and access to raw materials.
DrCruel 1 year ago
DrCruel you rascal. Hanging around fighting the cold war on the You Tube. Marxism is a science and with your doctorate I would think you'd look more deeply into it then just a glance at a John Bircher rag.
platypusmessiah 1 year ago 6
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Alchemy is a science too. So is astrology. When I think of Marxist economic theory, I'm reminded of Ptolemy's epicycles. The difference being, that at least alchemy and astrology contributed something of lasting worth to their modern incarnations. Marxism is more like a secular justification for a modern version of feudalism.
As for John Birch, I haven't seen any of their stuff. My problem with Marxism is its uncanny resemblance to German fascism. They simply substitute capitalists for Jews.
DrCruel 1 year ago
Tell that to the Chinese Communists they just about run the worlds economy now and they do it under a RED FLAG!
cultofmao 1 year ago
The only thing Marxist about China is the flag.
platypusmessiah 1 year ago 11
Certainly they aren't very socialist - at least not in any authentic sense. But a robotniki in the Soviet Union would recognize a great deal in the PRC, especially the laogais.
But China is more like a Left fascist hybrid than a true Marxist state. For one, instead of mindlessly killing business entrepreneurs, they simply retain ownership rights and extort them to the limit. They also seem to have given up on communal farms. This is more in line with the Nazis more efficient management model.
DrCruel 1 year ago
They have a shitton of philosopher to explain why you are wrong. China and USSR were and are as Marxist as the Spanish Inquisition was Christian.
Would there be a Christendom without the inquisition, the missionaries and conquistadores?
StruhDaehYm 1 year ago
@platypusmessiah-And the fact that it's more of a Authoritarian Oligarchy that anything else. They call themselves Communist like they call themselves a "People's REPUBLIC".
I've never seen a Communist country.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
Communism, and Socialism sucks
ohmitered408 2 years ago
jew oligarchy sucks
sarah38e 2 years ago
hard to argue with those well thought out arguments.
blueplaydoh3 2 years ago
More like hard to swallow the same old Leftist crap. Especially after over a century of Marxist mass murder, misery, socialist slavery and totalitarian disasters.
The real problem with capitalist societies is that, by generating vast wealth, it attracts the most ruthless thieves. The worst, most ruthless and murderous amongst these thieves are Marxists.
Since a simple "no" will not do for such people, it behooves people who deal with them to arm themselves. Then let the Marxists tremble.
DrCruel 2 years ago
Arm yourself to the teeth buddy, as you've noted us commies don't play nice. We aren't hippies, we'd be happy to fight, we usually win.
blueplaydoh3 2 years ago
No need for the warning - the mass killings following the end of the Vietnam War were reason enough to be prepared against your kind.
As for "winning", that seems to only happen in countries where the nation is already near collapse - and the people are ignorant of your true nature. No country ever allowed the Marxist Left fascists into power twice.
And incidentally - the war between the former Nazi and Bolshevik allies was between two competing, similar factions of Left socialists.
DrCruel 2 years ago
Did you really just call Nazism left socialist?
Just for the record, Marxism is a system of philosophies, not a system of governance. Marx wrote very little about how a government should work.
Please read the Communist Manifesto; you might see the difference between Marxism and McCarthyism.
DamazViccar 2 years ago
The Nazis and fascism in general, are a capitalist response to the threat of workers revolution. Hitler had the full backing of the capitalist in Germany. He crushed the unions, and nationalized nothing. I don't know were you heard that no one has let Marxist into power twice, but a large portion of the Eastern bloc still elect Communist and socialist. See Venezuala, Nicaragua, Nepal, Bolivia and so forth.
platypusmessiah 2 years ago
Yeah, I heard that one before. This after the Nazis took control of industry in Germany and made a sweetheart deal with the Bolsheviks to split Eastern Europe between them.
Down the list:
Venezuela - Elections there are a joke. The place is run by Chavez and his goons.
Nicaragua - got into power in 2006 only after pretending to drop Marxist ideology. Once back in readopted ideology. 2008 election was a farce.
Nepal - Glad you admit these are Marxists; took power through terrorism.
DrCruel 2 years ago
The only leftist in the National Socialist party of Germany belonged to branch headed by Strasser, they were alarmed to find that Hitler was a staunch capitalist. The entire branch was wiped out in the night of the long knives, by their own comrades. Can you name one independent group in the world that claims the elections in Venezuela or Nicaragua were anything but democratic? The Maoist in Nepal were elected, the masses are generally upset they gave up the armed struggle.
platypusmessiah 2 years ago
In the WSJ article I read on Ortega, the faulting NGO was WOLA. As for Venezuela, Transparency International rates the government under Chavez as one of the most corrupt in the world.
No doubt neither will be presumed to be "independant". As for Nepal, whoever these "masses" might be they apparently are not representative of the common people (as usual), who are terrified of the Maobadi and simply want the random killings and forced recruitment of children to stop.
Marxists really are scum
DrCruel 2 years ago
Yes they want the killing to stop so they can go back to lives of hopeless poverty and despair like the vast majority of the capitalist world. The elephant in the room is the fact that under capitalism twenty percent of the world's population controls eighty percent of the world's wealth, this leads to contradictions, and ensures that us commies will be around for a long time to come. Socialism or extinction.
platypusmessiah 2 years ago
Yes they want the Maobadi to stop killing them and kidnapping their kids, so they can get back to their lives. They are apparently insufficiently "politically conscious", so they don't see how killing them and their kids advances social justice in what had, prior to Chinese communist involvement, been one ot the most peaceful and stable nations in the region since pre-conquest Tibet.
What ensures that Marxism will persist is that stealing and murder is profitable. That's why Marxists do it.
DrCruel 2 years ago
The 2nd poorest nation on earth, mostly illeterate. Sorry the Marxist ruined another hot vacation spot for rich white imperialist. How dare the Maoist disturb such a Shangra-li? Those people were happy under fuedal slavery, in their repective Caste systems, I suppose. Just because China managed to save Tibet, doesn't mean Nepal should languish.
platypusmessiah 2 years ago
I'm sure the Maobadi use their Chinese-supplied arms and munitions to kidnap and kill Nepalese peasants for their own economic good. No doubt using enslaved children as bullet porters is only one small step on the road to Nepalese prosperity.
Not finished with that one though. Let's also claim that the depopulation of Tibet, in favor of resettled Han Chinese, is a form of "salvation". Or perhaps a Manifest Destiny?
And you lot have the nerve to claim you aren't fascists. There's a laugh.
DrCruel 2 years ago
Ha! The Dalai Lama owned 20,000 slaves, how many slaves to the Han Chinese have? The average life expextancy before liberation was forty, now it's 65. Schools, hospitals, roads, the end of a stupifiying superstitous feudal religious system, how terrible! If the people of Nepal hate the Maoist so much, why do they win all these elections? How many women and lower caste people have tasted freedom for the first time thaks to the maoist?
platypusmessiah 2 years ago
one more thing. The word 'fascist' has a set definition. You can't just throw it around at anyone with a uniform and a gun. Communists are by definiton not fascist.
platypusmessiah 2 years ago
And fascism is violent, totalitarian, despotic and socialist. Communists are, by definition, Left fascists.
DrCruel 2 years ago
I have never in my life seen the word socialist used in a definition of Fascism, I think this may be an innovation of yours. Fascism, did adopt some of the tactics of the street fighting Communist youth groups of Europe, but they employed them to oppisite goals. In America even Karl Rove tells Republican strategist to read Lenin. That doesn't make Marxism neo-conservative.
platypusmessiah 2 years ago
@DrCruel
No we are not. Fascism is not socialist, as socialism is a transition to communism, something fascists are against.
Fascists see a "third way". They support a corporatocracy. A society ruled by corporations.
CapitalistOverlord 2 years ago
Nazism was socialist, actually. Other fascist movements were less so. Portuguese and particularly Spanish fascism were actually truly "right-wing", in the classical sense - they were pro-Catholic, and Franco was a monarchist.
As for Marxists, who use socialism as an excuse for mass robbery and mass murder, I see litlle to distinguish the two. So let the workers of the world unite - against the socialist thieves, as I have. Once we're strong enough, perhaps the cowards will leave us be.
DrCruel 2 years ago
@DrCruel
We weren't talking about Nazism, we were talking about fascism. Don't equate the two, they aren't the same.
Just because something has one aspect of something else, it doesn't make it bad.
I'd suggest reading about communism and socialism from a non-biased source.
North Korea, Cuba and other totalitarian states ran around calling themselves communist, while they weren't.
CapitalistOverlord 2 years ago
The communists that backed the Soviet Union, and that back (still today) North Korea and Cuba apparently thought (and think) otherwise.
I judge Marxist movements not by what they claim to champion, but on what they do in practice. From what I've seen, they kill off anyone who opposes them, then use the workers as slaves. That's what Marxism means to me.
Fascism, by contrast, was something of a reform. And indeed, all successful Marxist states invariably evolve into a fascist collectivism.
DrCruel 2 years ago
So then, I postulate that Marx was wrong, and that Marxists know this. I claim that the despotic societies that follow Marxist revolutions are not "abberations" or "errors", but instead the purpose of said revolutions from the Party's vantage. And indeed Marxists, and precious few else, prosper after a successful Marxist revolution. Most workers end up enslaved.
This kind of opportunistic thuggery is what is behind most fascist revolutions as well. So I feel quite justified in equating them.
DrCruel 2 years ago
@DrCruel
The USSR of the mid-1980s was a MUCH more progressive culture than it was in, say, 1936; I posit that given the SAME period of development that America has enjoyed---i.e., CENTURIES---it would have SURPASSED America's level of abundance and, in its trail, multitudinous freedoms and rights.
Keepsu 2 years ago
@DrCruel
If you use the totalitarians as your mold for communists, you're not getting the best view possible.
CapitalistOverlord 2 years ago 2
I call 'em like I see 'em, bub.
DrCruel 2 years ago
@DrCruel Alright. I'd suggest you read the communist manifesto if you have yet to.
CapitalistOverlord 2 years ago
Already read the leaflet - the Red Cross gave them out to US soldiers in Bosnia.
It's a crock. Marx either claims already existing movements as his own (ie, universal education) or advocates kleptocratic "reforms" that are proven social disasters.
Read it again for yourself, preferably with a description of feudalist society close at hand. If you're at all intellectually honest, you'll clearly see the parallels.
DrCruel 2 years ago
@DrCruel
A feudalist society has a class system. Marx wanted a classless society.
CapitalistOverlord 2 years ago 4
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So, ostentatiously, did the Catholic church (indeed implying that the "end times" would herald such an ultimate development). Similarly, the practical manifestation of this theoretical system invariably turns into a form of feudalism.
It's also why feudal societies (Tsarist Russia, China, the Latin American states, etc) are so much more susceptible to Marxist-style governments than modern, developed "capitalist" countries.
DrCruel 2 years ago
@DrCruel
The 'beacon of world democracy,' America, has in ITS history nothing less shameful. America's history is characterized by slave labor (Africans), ethnic genocide (Native Americans), rampant imperialism (Mexico, Philippines, Cuba, etc.,) and the restriction of individual freedom
(indentured servitude, lack of political representation for women, etc., etc.).
Keepsu 2 years ago 3