The Mayans even knew that our solar system spiralled around a galaxy and the figures of the eastern islands all have a distinctive look when you have an open mind. And by the way: Stonehenge is still a mystery in how it has been constructed!
The Galileo affair testifies to the fact that you get into trouble, as the Church did, when you try to look at the Bible as a science manual when it is not. The Church should have heeded Cardinal Beronius who said in 1615 that the Bible teaches us how to go to Heaven, and not how the heavens go.
It was unfortunate that Pope Urban VIII who supported Galileo turned against the latter for what appeared to be a perceived insult. The Pope's gocentric position was placed on the mouth of one of the major characters of the Dialogue who appeared to be a simpleton.
We have to understand the situation at that time when science has not yet proved that the heliocentric theory was true. This is the reason why Cardinal Bellarmine admonished Galileo not to teach it as a proved fact, but only to hold it as a hypothesis and this is what Galileo did in his Dialogue. The whole affair was a personal vendetta by Pope Urban VIII on Galileo.
I had seen this series as a boy,but is gladdens me to be able to watch them all again....this kind of TV never bores, and if it does bore you, you need help!
@gh778jk (Auto-Answer System) Just a note to say thank you for taking the effort to comment. I am so backlogged right now with Comments I can't reply individually but I really appreciate it.
the historical figures' voice-overs are the best i've ever heard in a documentary. This was the best description I've ever seen of Galileo's trial. Thanks for posting.
The Greeks were also not all uniformly ptolemaic, the first person to postulate that the Earth wasn't at the centre of the Earth, and who proposed the heliocentric model was a Greek called Aristarchus of Samos.
One of the drawbacks of this documentary is its playing down of Greco-Roman achievements whilst raising up later "christian" contributions as the "originators" which is clearly not the case.
I have a blog "Jacob Bronowski's "Scientific Humanism"; typing in blogs on youtube doesn't seem to work where ever you type it in. Just type it in at google and the first entry should link to my blog which I'm restarting. See my first entry about "The Gospel of Truth."
In 1931, Godel's theorems about axioms were published. He showed that a finite set of consistent axioms cannot prove an infinity of truths. But, an inconsistent set of finite axioms can! God is that vague concept that can prove everything without explaining any of it. Jacob Bronowski understood this. In "Lower than the Angels", while in the cave paintings scene, he says "magic; what is magic? It is a word that says man has some power but what power."
If you read his much more major works like "Origin of Knowledge and Imagination", you'll see that Jacob Bronowski is no christian; he notes a Dionysius who is forging christian writings. I think you're taking something too seriously. Not only that, but he understands that Plato was a major influence and inspiration for christianity. He know like Carl Sagan who destroyed curiosity and the library of alexandria back then - Plato and Christianity. See my blog . . . ;
@oker59 I know he's not a Christian- he's a Jew. He again plays up pre-enlightenment Jewish "civilization" to a ridiculous extent as well. As for Plato he was one of many schools, his influence only grew during the Christian age and the loss of works by the other schools of thought which flourished during the classical and Hellenistic period of Ancient Greece.
Once again, if you read or even watch this video series; he's constantly noting how if John Von Neuman was born a century earlier, he would have been a rabbinic preacher. Jacob Bronowski is not a religious apologist.
Thank you for taking the time to Comment. I first watched the series while 19 in 1975 at the school library video carels while I was a freshman at a junior college. I consider watching these to be one of my top-10 life-changing experiences. NOTE: I am also in the middle of uploading the Kenneth Clark 1969 BBC TV series "Civilisation". Web: en wikipedia org wiki Civilisation_(TV_series)
@PalerShadeOfWhite Funny, I had that sort of experience when I first watched 'Civilisation'. I'm only just discovering this series, thanks to your posts, for the first time. The two series were produced at roughly the same time, and about the same time as 'The World at War', so the BBC was really on a roll in the early 70s. Thank you so much for posting these, it's very much appreciated.
God & Religion is a Evil creation of man-kind.
PrincessTS01 2 weeks ago
The Mayans even knew that our solar system spiralled around a galaxy and the figures of the eastern islands all have a distinctive look when you have an open mind. And by the way: Stonehenge is still a mystery in how it has been constructed!
Treetalkerable1 1 month ago
Good Deal.
mdgreg 6 months ago
"...and then we come back to the moon-isn't she delicious." ;- )
zappa666ful 8 months ago
The Galileo affair testifies to the fact that you get into trouble, as the Church did, when you try to look at the Bible as a science manual when it is not. The Church should have heeded Cardinal Beronius who said in 1615 that the Bible teaches us how to go to Heaven, and not how the heavens go.
wbarquez 8 months ago 3
@wbarquez I don't think it was exactly the Church who got into trouble at that time : )
distortingjack 8 months ago
@distortingjack I mean, some leaders of the Church.
wbarquez 8 months ago
It was unfortunate that Pope Urban VIII who supported Galileo turned against the latter for what appeared to be a perceived insult. The Pope's gocentric position was placed on the mouth of one of the major characters of the Dialogue who appeared to be a simpleton.
wbarquez 8 months ago
We have to understand the situation at that time when science has not yet proved that the heliocentric theory was true. This is the reason why Cardinal Bellarmine admonished Galileo not to teach it as a proved fact, but only to hold it as a hypothesis and this is what Galileo did in his Dialogue. The whole affair was a personal vendetta by Pope Urban VIII on Galileo.
wbarquez 8 months ago
THIS is what the internet should be all about!
Thanks for the upload.
I had seen this series as a boy,but is gladdens me to be able to watch them all again....this kind of TV never bores, and if it does bore you, you need help!
Paddy
gh778jk 9 months ago 7
@gh778jk (Auto-Answer System) Just a note to say thank you for taking the effort to comment. I am so backlogged right now with Comments I can't reply individually but I really appreciate it.
PalerShadeOfWhite 8 months ago
the historical figures' voice-overs are the best i've ever heard in a documentary. This was the best description I've ever seen of Galileo's trial. Thanks for posting.
cdsoder345432 10 months ago
@cdsoder345432 I'll have to go check that out specifically. Thanks for commenting!.
PalerShadeOfWhite 9 months ago
The Greeks were also not all uniformly ptolemaic, the first person to postulate that the Earth wasn't at the centre of the Earth, and who proposed the heliocentric model was a Greek called Aristarchus of Samos.
One of the drawbacks of this documentary is its playing down of Greco-Roman achievements whilst raising up later "christian" contributions as the "originators" which is clearly not the case.
ImaginedWriter 10 months ago
@ImaginedWriter
How do you figure? His stuff about architecture?
oker59 9 months ago
@oker59 On mathematics and astronomy he plays down Greco-Roman achievements.
ImaginedWriter 9 months ago
@ImaginedWriter
I have a blog "Jacob Bronowski's "Scientific Humanism"; typing in blogs on youtube doesn't seem to work where ever you type it in. Just type it in at google and the first entry should link to my blog which I'm restarting. See my first entry about "The Gospel of Truth."
oker59 9 months ago
@ImaginedWriter
In 1931, Godel's theorems about axioms were published. He showed that a finite set of consistent axioms cannot prove an infinity of truths. But, an inconsistent set of finite axioms can! God is that vague concept that can prove everything without explaining any of it. Jacob Bronowski understood this. In "Lower than the Angels", while in the cave paintings scene, he says "magic; what is magic? It is a word that says man has some power but what power."
oker59 9 months ago
@oker59 Non sequitur.
ImaginedWriter 9 months ago
@ImaginedWriter
If you read his much more major works like "Origin of Knowledge and Imagination", you'll see that Jacob Bronowski is no christian; he notes a Dionysius who is forging christian writings. I think you're taking something too seriously. Not only that, but he understands that Plato was a major influence and inspiration for christianity. He know like Carl Sagan who destroyed curiosity and the library of alexandria back then - Plato and Christianity. See my blog . . . ;
oker59 9 months ago
@oker59 I know he's not a Christian- he's a Jew. He again plays up pre-enlightenment Jewish "civilization" to a ridiculous extent as well. As for Plato he was one of many schools, his influence only grew during the Christian age and the loss of works by the other schools of thought which flourished during the classical and Hellenistic period of Ancient Greece.
ImaginedWriter 9 months ago
@ImaginedWriter
Once again, if you read or even watch this video series; he's constantly noting how if John Von Neuman was born a century earlier, he would have been a rabbinic preacher. Jacob Bronowski is not a religious apologist.
oker59 9 months ago
@ImaginedWriter that IS discouraging, because I am not a humanities-background person, I would never know.
PalerShadeOfWhite 9 months ago
@PalerShadeOfWhite Just wanted to send a note of thanks.
I am enjoying these "Acent of Man" up loads.
Do not feel the need to answer.
Just give yourself a pat on the back. LOL
TrickShot1100 2 months ago in playlist The Ascent Of Man - BBC TV Series 1973
@TrickShot1100 So glad that you're liking these. Take care.
PalerShadeOfWhite 2 months ago
great stuff. knowledge makes you happy.
cdeccles 10 months ago
@cdeccles Thank you for commenting. You're right---knowledge does make me happy. I'll remember that.
PalerShadeOfWhite 10 months ago
Thanks for commenting. Yeah, I know what you mean---this had a real impact on me when I first saw it. Glad you liked it.
PalerShadeOfWhite 11 months ago
Amazing
pkaplan781 11 months ago
I saw these when they first aired and they were stunning then, and still are.
pkaplan781 11 months ago
Thank you for taking the time to Comment. I first watched the series while 19 in 1975 at the school library video carels while I was a freshman at a junior college. I consider watching these to be one of my top-10 life-changing experiences. NOTE: I am also in the middle of uploading the Kenneth Clark 1969 BBC TV series "Civilisation". Web: en wikipedia org wiki Civilisation_(TV_series)
PalerShadeOfWhite 11 months ago
@PalerShadeOfWhite Funny, I had that sort of experience when I first watched 'Civilisation'. I'm only just discovering this series, thanks to your posts, for the first time. The two series were produced at roughly the same time, and about the same time as 'The World at War', so the BBC was really on a roll in the early 70s. Thank you so much for posting these, it's very much appreciated.
mgo26 10 months ago
@mgo26 Thanks for commenting!
PalerShadeOfWhite 9 months ago
Thanks for this, the series is absolutely amazing!
Unintended911 11 months ago