Making videos like this is a sign that the maker is on the sever side of the spectrum for this syndrom. This is in the literature in several countries, in fact.
@loljustice30 Well in Sweden feminists encourage this behavior and every time it happens the celebrate. The standing the non feminist man have in Swedish society is lower then dog shit thanks to the feminists that are allowed to run rampant in media calling men all sort of things like "All men are animals" "All men shot be put down" "All men are talibans". So tell me who should I blame? I support the original feminism but not the modern when women is put on a pedestal above men.
My ex has my 2 little boys right now (after reporting what my son told me he did to him) and I am going through the nightmare myself so I know that it is real. They will have to face God with their lies sooner than they realize so that is what keeps me sane, knowing the "TRUTH" will set us free and what doesn't kill us will just make us stronger, escpecially if we all unite to stop this once and for all. Blessings to everyone that is fighting this horrific crime against our families, we will win
''Mothers for Justice'' is misguided here. MFJ can fight to save children from physical and sexual abuse without trying to negate the reality of parental alienation.
MFJ U R ruining your credibility for real. You may as well make other rediculous claims like 1921 Tulsa, OK was a good time and place for black people ( Google it ), or that Hitler's actions did NOT slaughter & devistate countless Jews. Get real. People please don't be mislead here. Enough survivor / witnesses live to tell.
I hope you never have to deal with PAS - not out of any consideration for you as you are a TOOL, but for the sake of your children (doubtful though if anyone would want to breed with such a bigot)...
SBX 211 corrupt judges go to full disclosure and juditial watch and Dr shirley moore.
We need to show support to bringing these courpt judges to justice. the los angeles superior court judges are stealing 50,000 each. times all 436 of them = 21,000,000.00
per year. if we don't get angry about it they will get away with it. twenty one million per year.
We will never be able to seek justice if the very place that we go to seek justice is dealt by judges that are corrupt. To fight this title wave of corruption in our county we must begin at the very place that we bring our evidence of corruption for justice. We would feel secure in the fact that the decisions made by the court would be made by evidence and truth and integrity and not made in the favor of party that slips them $50,000. CHANGE MUST START WITH THESE COURTS
What a load of complete and utter filth you are propogating. The majority of your quotations are taken completely out of context and those anti-PAS have their own agendas. It is credible to say that there is not enough scientific evidence to label it a syndrome; this does not mean that parental alienation itself does not exist, and insults the millions of children who have been irrevocably damaged by it; not to mention the parents who are unable to regain their relationships with their chidren
Well done! I can't share the selfishness of parents who finds it easier to claim their kids and ex partners are sick rather then to understand and accept their own flaws.
The truth is: most part of marriages ends cause mostly the father betrayed his wife. This is why the kids reject them. Betraying a wife it means betraying the whole family. But NO, they think they can claim absolute love and devotion from their children.
And anyway if a law were good for myself but a real disaster for someone else, I'd ask for a better law good enough for everybody. These human beings are so sadly selfish.
Many boys and girls are now suing courts to get their abuses legitimate cause they were forced to live with abusive fathers and now they're grown and call for justice.
@Versamara Most marriage ends because the husband betrayed the wife? Really? Or is it just that when men cheat people say that 'most men cheat' and when women cheat people say that 'that particular woman is a whore'? Where's the evidence for the fact that 'most marriage ends because the husband betrayed the wife'? I would say it's more likely that both spouses have been unhappy together for a long time and it isn't working.
My mother took me and my siblings from our father over such accusations. I later came to find out from my mother that she was very guilty of PAS. The damage is now done.... But to direct all who read and watch your video in the bizarre direction of pedophelia for a problem that in fact can ruin a child is very one sided and suspect on your motives to say the very least.
PAS is very real and it is happening all over the globe stop believing in feminist bullshit. In Sweden PAS is taking place in about 60-80% of all divorces and that is a fact. In 90% of all child abuse allegations (connected to divorces where Adults was pointed the finger) that was reported it was found that it was just pure bullshit and in cases connected to divorces where the children was pointing the finger about 95% of the cases was found to be bullshit. So PAS IS VERY REAL!
Fathers’ right to be a meaningful part of their childrens’ lives, have been eroded to the point of non-existence. Children who are alienated from their fathers are more likely later in life to have emotional/behavioral problems, suffer from depression, drop out of school, fail in their jobs, and suffer from other social problems. I invite you to visit my site devoted to raising awareness on this growing problem.
I live in a America and I am a mother and a step mother and I deal with my husband's ex on a regular basis trying to brainwash my stepdaughter against. She filed a false physical abuse complaint with social services the day after she received notice that my husband was filing for additional visitation. After daily brainwashing of from her mother, my step daughter is telling us that she doesn't feel safe at our home but she has no idea why. Hostile Aggressive Parenting and PAS are very REAL.
It is when one parent successfully turns a child against the other parent by manipulating the child's feelings with the exercise of control and negative talk. Whether someone does this for a just reason to protect or a child or out of their own selfishness is a different story. But Hostile Aggressive Parenting and Parental Alienation is real. If someone is making false accusations of this in order to maintain custody of an abused child then that is sad but it doesn't mean it is not real.
I too live in America and my husbands ex-wife has completely alienated his daughter from him. She has filed false physical and sexual allegations on both of us and his 15 year old daughter now believes these borrowed scenarios created by this very sick woman. We have screamed PAS for the last 10 years to no avail. It is tragic.
@crystales1 I too live in America and have experienced PAS firsthand as a stepmpther. My step children have been alienated from their father and I for 14 years because of false unprovable accusations of a stage 3 obsessed alienator mother. PAS is very real. Parental Alienation has been submitted to the DSM review committee to considered for the next publication as a very "real" mental illness. Anyone thinking the contary is only "deluding" themselves.
I was sexually abused as a child and can remmeber a lot of it (there was physical evidence too) but when I reconnected with my father at age 20 he claimed I had PAS. I've felt cnfused ever since. Of course I WANT to believe him (who wouldn't?) but I know what he did- I can remember! Yet since I heard about PAS I've felt very uneasy, that MAYBE I have it, which makes my grief worse.
@UKSecretCourts You say PAS is not a 'medical condition'. 'MEDICAL'?? WTF? Alienating a child's affections from the parent is a very real, frequent, epidemic occurance no matter WHAT U call it. IT IS REAL. It is an emotional thing. I know and everyone who is wounded by it knows it's real. The issue of abused kids is another issue all by itself. I really don't think it's appropriate for you to confuse it with the issue of one parent turning the hearts of children against the other parent.
@bipolarlex It is nonsense if there was physical evidence. Physical evidence shouldn't be ignored no matter how much someone tries to convince you otherwise. But do you know for a fact yourself that there was physical evidence or were you told this? How old were you? If you were under the age of 5 it is possible that your memories could be false. (read about false memory creation and child suggestibility)
PAS is not outlawed in the United States ! My girlfriend's parental rights were terminated becaused she exposed the legal abuse and fraud of the court professionals and the sexual abuse of the father to the media and state officials and the fact she says the sexual abuse of her child happened...... EXPOSE Parental Alienation! STOP putting our kids with who abuse them physically and sexually.
@VoicesbeHeard1 You are so correct., The person who posted this video should cut that false statement out of an otherwise great video. PAS is now an industry in the United States. The "fathers rights" folks are very well funded and they attack any anti-PAS media with a venom that tips their hand so to speak. My fiance has had her youngest child ripped from her by her physician ex-husband who did unspeakable things to her and all three children. We fight every day for Alexander's return.
This is completely ridiculous ....obviously someone with an axe to grind....I can tell you from experience THIS IS A PROBLEM I am going threw it right now ...only I recognize it for what it is ...hurt and abuse ...I will light myself on fire if I am deemed unfit in court...mark my words.
you are totally missing the point here, this is about hate and money and the abuse of both genders in the family court. Its anot about a phoney gender war. Barristers and lawyers must be kept 500 metres from the family law courts. The people who know how children react to PAS are the parensts that are suffering. This is not about your desperate attempts to disprove something that millions of people have experienced.
This has a real foundation OK. I am a brilliant dad and have 2 wonderful children. My ex is a good mom but has never gotten over our divorce. My children have rejected me after 10 years of a beautiful loving relationship through false allegations (proved beyond a doubt). I know they love me and are hurting but through manipulation I only have one choice to get access to them again and that is through a terrible court process that would destroy relationships OR back off and wait...
I got that. Whether what Gardener or Baker or Bone speak of in PAS. That situation does exist. For no reason whatsoever my children and I pay for a women's ignorance and bitterness. This has existed forever I know but it is unjust. Real abusers please send them to jail for life! But good dads are in short supply give them some justice
This all really tuff material. Bottom line though is actually real simple. Leave the kids out of it. it causes a tremendous mess to the courts to society and most of all to your children and your own lives when you dont follow this simple dictum. Just leave the kids out of it. that all. Tell them, Hey I know this is really hard and I know mom and dad arent getting along and not together, but you know what, mom loves you and dad loves you and that sall that matters, and it'll be ok. trust that.
And btw I'm not talking about these extreme abuse cases. I'm sorry for all of you that go through that insanity. Im sure my advice does not apply in this way in these cases and it takes great courage and restraint to legitimately combat that in the court system. My heart goes out to those children and their parents.
He helped Evan Chandler lie about Michael Jackson and if he were such an expert on his own coined diagnosis then why did he not see Evan Chandler was brainwashing his son into lying?
Also, this man's own words reflect his own pedophilia nature. His main goal was to give rights to pedophilia fathers and victimize the mother and child by making them seem crazy.
This man was a psychopath and he ended his own life stabbing himself and overdosing.
your being ridiculous, this is not about him! never was , why are you hell bent on proving anything about this man? why are you not more concerned for kids that are in the middle of these types of situations??
In Britain PAS is not even recognised by the courts - you've got to refer to is as "parental aliennation". I think my ex-mother-in-law has been hard at it with my autistic daughter (like taking candy from a baby...)
She has a history of acrimony with her ex-partner which she won't let go of. Now it's been handed on down throught the generations down to my daughter.
This shit does exist, I am sorry womankind, but it does seem to be us ladies screwing eachother on this one.
YES! Just DON'T mention "parental alienation." Its just like denying that bears shit in the woods really isn't it? I agree with the open court system absolutely. What the Hell function does "Madam Cafcass" perform anyway, all they do is put their unqualified "slant" on stuff that is usually based on personal opinion then shove it into a legal setting.
DANGEROUS OR WHAT?
Useless Agency that are further complicating perfectly straight forward cases. The "pimp" of the social services.
Kids don't need to be involved in parents arguments. But what's that got to do with PAS? Nothing. I finished my marriage as quick as I could after my partner was repeatedly unfaithful. I was not. I didn't want my child involved in protracted arguments that were clearly on the cards. My partner was a habitual lier. I tried succesfully not to involve our child in future disagreements but here I am to this day five years on with no contact and a former partner poisoning the mind of my daughter
PAS as a syndrome - some sort of medical category - thats one question. Alienation itself though is not contested as a form of abuse. Kids don't need to be involved in their parents disputes. If you love your children you shield them from your animosity toward one another, speak well or correctly of one another, encourage the children to listen to both parents and respect them and just live your life and leave them out of your disputes. Doing otherwise is wrong, plain and simple.
PAS is not the issue. Gardner is not the issue. By the way people in the industry don't care about PAS. Its outdated and of no current significance. So we agree.
However, no sane person would dispute that when children are needlessly involved in parental disputes, needlessly brought into a fray between parents, it results in collateral damage to the child, Thats all. Its simple. It really is. Just leave the kid out of it because the judges, forensics and therapists act on it!
My wife kept my Sons from me for over 10 years with the Help of Ventura County Courts in California. I have joint custody now and she contimues to prevent us from knowing each other anyway she can. It's all true PAS is for real.
i was accused I got to see my son at a therapist for two one hour visits a month.. He turned 16 he no longer had to see me...i have not seen him in a year and a half..I DID NOTHING lets all thank his dad and hope and pray that my son is ok....
TO ALL EXTREME ALIENATORS: LOOK WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR CHILDREN- there are over 40 life stories of young children devastated this child abuse. Listen to their sad stories as adults- and see what you-yes you ALIENATOR did to them. STOP NOW- PROTECT THE CHILDREN and seek your own counseling by getting them out of the middle- DO IT FOR YOUR KIDS!!!!
Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrome: Breaking the Ties that Bind
UKSecrets.. You analysis and opinions of Gardiners PAS theory are totally twisted and plan wrong. You obviously have an agenda and it seems very apparent from your postings that you don't mind twisting and misrepresenting facts and PAS theory to suit your own agenda. If you are a parent, and you appeared in a court room talking this trash, you'd probable lose custody of you child.
What a load of crap. This whole thread. Your comments attributed to Dr Gardiner are totally false. The problem here arises from parents making false allegations. Parents making false allegations make it harder for genuine abuse allegations to be identified and handled properly. But your video is based on falsehoods and blatantly misleading.
Well that's crap too. Courts operate on evidence. What you are suggesting is a return to the time when children accused women of being witches and they were hanged. EVIDENCE PEOPLE! Thats what courts operate on.
I'm in Sydney. Sorry but you are totally wrong. In the slide above, PAS is not 'the denigration of one parent by the other" NOT TOTALLY FALSE DEFINITION. You are getting PA (Parent Alienation) confused with PAS. If you can't get that right even - what value is your opinion at ALL!
No children should live with sexual abusers. But you obvious don't know the difference between PA(or HAP) and PAS. And this is the problem. People misunderstanding the theory and terminology. Clearly you are on of these people. FYI - 3 months ago I was falsely accused of sexually abusing my 4 yr old daughter. Parents fabricating abuse claims make it difficult for genuine abuse matters to be handled appropriately. Thats the problem here - Parents making false claims.
My son was molested by his half brother at age 4. The mother has a history of drugs and has been to jail. My son came home a few months ago with marks on his legs that he said his mother left on him cause he was talking while she was on the phone. Because of this PAS .....my son is considered to be not telling the truth. Judge appoints lawyer for my son and tells her right off this is a PAS case. Not only is the mother now getting overnights I'm about to have my son taken away. Pray for my son!!
I understood PAS to be the constructive denigration of the abused parent by the abusing parent to their children. The children come to understand that the official line is the accepted 'truth'. It has to be remembered that the abuse may be subtle - "mummy/daddy's ill, you know". This is very common. The problem I had was persuading authorities that PAS was going on. They couldn't see why my ex would indulge in it. My serious reply that he may be personality disordered didn't wash, of course.
UKSecrets...seriously. Your take on matters expressed above is twisted. You need some therapy. Stop spread your ignorance and twisted thinking into other people. Get some help.
"The whole point of a judicial system is to examine a case and determine whether there's any veracity to support it."
The most blatantly recognizable legal failing of PAS is its reliance on the assumption that allegedly abused children are lying. These claims of abuse, if under the umbrella of PAS, go untested or uninvestigated.
To use your own point, this preference of presumption over evidence is incompatible with the justice system.
It's a fact that many women have weaponized the laws against rape. They use an accusation against a man as a weapon to harm him, because of anger over some other matter.
Does that mean rape shouldn't be illegal because the unscrupulous are taking advantage of it? Of course not. PSA is very, very real. Call it whatever you like. The only thing that is even remotely debatable, is just how prominent it is, and the ratio of legitimate or unreported cases.
Reprecussions are now being introduced for PAS!! Which is great. $30,000 fine for a vindicitive women who brainwashed her child to hate her father. This was in Toronto. Overwhelming evidence proved it without a shadow of a doubt and yes they are talking about jail time now. PAS doesn't exist? LOL. Scared?
Expect millions to be paid to kids made to live with Sexual Abusers if Canada has brought PAS into a court room. 97% of sexual abuse claims are valid. So are Canada forcing kids to live with their abusers now?
The day you let PAS enter a court room, Justice has failed the children.
Thanks for making your agenda crystal clear. CUSTODY battles involving sexual claims is 97%? haha Blatant lie. The whole institution of Harvard discredited PAS? Or do you mean the exceptional few cases involving sexual allegations? I'll email her myself. Lie/distortion #2. What do you mean what kids are forced to live with thier abuser? Since when was abuse ever involved? It NEVER was. The children were brainwashed to hate their dad. Your assumption speaks volumes. You don't understand PAS.
Divorce isn't pleasant, but not liking each other isn't a medical conditon.
And I'm not misquoting Garner or Harvard.
If he [the molesting father] doesn't know this already, he has to be helped to appreciate that pedophilia has been considered the norm by the vast majority of individuals in the history of the world
NOW that is all your "hero" the paedophile advocate...
Why are stupid people relentlessly reductive about the purpose of a law? The whole point of a judicial system is to examine a case and determine whether there's any veracity to support it. Parents not liking each other isn't a medical condition. One parenting weaponizing the legal system to deny access and alienate another parent, while actively brainwashing them against them, is, and SHOULD be illegal. If abusers are using PAS to gain access, then obviously that's where judgement prevails.
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Thank-you for putting this out there. There is no such thing as PAS. There is such a thing as brainwashing. This quack ended up committing suicide. My child was sexually abused by good old cop dad and there is evidence with doctors reports and photographs, yet CPS gave him custody.
I'm confused here. Are you saying PAS does not exist??? LOL. If anyone, even for a split second, believes that PAS is not real, you need to seriously have your head examined. I await your response eagerly.
Not in Canada or via the court, child aid's or any other organizations. Your missing the point, whomever this person is, he can be dismissed as he is irrevalant. The syndrome itself it real and I live it, without a shadow of a doubt does it exist and it is used for vindictive reasons.
UKSecretCourts - After reading these posts, it looks clear that you have a personal axe to grind. In my opinion, the video and your responses to the offered comments are narrow minded and significantly distort the facts about parental alienation.
So, I have to ask "why"?
Were subjected to sexual abuse in your past?
This seems to be the most logical explanation for your irrational assertions and your fixation to linking PAS and sex abuse.
It still is accepted that divorcing people don't like each other and youre right, it shouldnt be considered a medical condition. A selfish parent that uses a child as a pawn, teaches a child to hate, brainwashes / manipulates a child in order to SOLELY harm or control the other parent SHOULD have a title. Munchausen by proxy syndrome is a recognized psychiatric disorder, and a parent that uses a child as a pawn should also be a recognized psychiatric disorder. CHILDREN ARE NOT PAWNS.
PAS is real. It was around long before Richard Gardner put a title on it. In the 1800s women got kicked off the farm and the children became property of the father. Children suffered then and they suffer now. PAS is both a danger to a targeted parent and a parent falsely accused of it, but in the end it is the innocent children that pay the highest price. Your video is full of untruths. In most cases of Divorce most allegations of sexual abuse are false.
I agree with this video but at the end it should say parents not mothers! I'm a single father being accused of this PAS and my son's mother is abusing my son while his older half brother has sexually. This judge is getting played by the mother and I look like the bad guy for trying to protect my son.
btw..Im asking you a straight forward question. You are campaigning against something that is very real and tearing families apart and causing a great lot of pain to loving parents. PAS is about alienation and false accusations - not sexual abuse (although it can be an accusation thats made but thats irrelevant) You dont understand Gardner's work because you are not a psychologist, you would if you had any knowledge of the human psyche So dont propagate lies and misconceptions based on ignorance
Gardners own words - "When true parental abuse and/or neglect is present, the childs animosity may be justified and so the parental alienation syndrome explanation for the childs hostility is not applicable." (Gardner 2002)
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NO....this is common sence. A child that is abused will sometimes protect the parent abusing them. It's such a joke when people like Gardner think they know exactly what is going on ina childs head. This PAS is getting out of hand and children that are realy getting abused are ineven more danger!!!
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No kidding. It's completely ridiculous! My concern is the whole "false memory" thing where they don't listen to a child's testimony. That is SO dangerous! It's like because they are little they don't have to be listened to and their feelings and experiences do not count. This can lead to further abuse and kids getting killed! A child's testimony should never be discounted because their parents don't like each other. Of course they don't, especially if one parent has harmed the child!
If a child says they're being abused - we listen to the child.
I've heard of so many cases where the children are describing horrific things in detail, and they're being ignored.
Because its a "divorce".
It's the childs voice, not the social workers, not the parents... the child.
Imagine, a young child coming forward to report physical abuse - and being laughed at or ignored. We listen to kids. I totally agree with you Tangocat.
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I don't think that these ladies are talking about or referring to situations in which a parent is being alientated for no good reason. They are trying to find solutions to protect abused children who are suffering. This is a very real problem. Parents who are unjustly alienated are definitely not being treated fairly and this is a crime in itself but not what this is even discussing so no reason to be upset.
Why does uksecretcourts have a video 'psychological warfare lesson 1' as a favourite on their homepage? I wonder? thats not anti-propaganda! just goes to show dont it?
Once again this person has commingled sexual trauma and sex crimes with PAS. PAS is not sexual. Get your facts straight. I am not saying that sex crimes are not valid...they are horrible too and one of the worst crimes committed, but PAS and sex crimes are separate get your facts straight.
Harvard is a feminist controlled institution it is headed by a lesbian. They threw out Lawrence Summers the former chancellor out for questioning the political correct values of this feminist institution and replaced him with this lesbian.
"This Lesbian". lol! There are many men who criticise PAS, are they Lesbians too? When rational answers end, you end up with comments like... "They're all Lesbians".
I'm sure that Harvard is generally not Lesbian, and generally not homosexual. Neither is one's sexual orientation of any consequence, unless your orientation is towards children. Then it matters.
So unless you're claiming she's a paedophile, her sexual orientation is not up for discussion.
Although there is currently a great deal of research on child sexual abuse, Gardner ignores the literature -- relying instead on his own assumptions, opinions and beliefs.
Actually, Gardner 's dogmatic assertion that PAS exists is the only proof Gardner 's offers that such a syndrome is valid. (Dallam, 1999)
Oh look, you're quoting the infallible Dallam again. She's a registered nurse who is employed to testify in custody hearings. She is the furthest thing you can get from an unbiased peer review. She does no research. You're a robot. You just keep posting the same unsupported quotes from unreliable sources. Whether PAS is a "syndrome" is a semantics issue and doesn't mean that programming of a child doesn't exist. The behavior Gardner described has been observed by numerous researchers.
This video is so full of generalization and misstatement that it's laughable. You call Gardener a quack (while completely misrepresenting his work), yet you continuously quote Dallam, who is a registered nurse who hasn't conducted research at any reputable university. In addition you quote Harvard. Harvard is a school, it doesn't conduct research. A researcher at Harvard may have made the comment, but it doesn't mean that it has been approved or endorsed by Harvard in anyway.
Why do you keep referring to sexual abuse? Gardner clearly defined that PAS is only applicable when there is no actual abuse. The denigration is unwarranted.
Also, pretty sure a country can not ban a theory. They may not recognize it in court. Big difference.
Your misunderstanding of basic concepts negates your entire campaign.
His findings were that most cases of sexual abuse claims were true - he claimed 95%. American research found 97% of claims were true.
Everything about PAS is based on Sexual abuse - it's the Heart of the matter.
As what you're essentially arguing is that the sexually abused should be placed in a paedophile's care.
And if the max error rate is only 5% that in no way, excuses society giving the care of 95% of those being abused to a paedophile. Hence the blackhole in the centre of PAS.
You're absolutely ridiculous. It's like having a discussion with an 8-year-old (a dim one at that). Have you actually read Gardner's publications or simply regurgitating something somebody told you? I have no idea what Mothers for Justice is, but they should be embarrassed to be associated with this mess. Gardner's definition doesn't in any way center on sexual abuse. It relates to unwarranted denigration. Bona-fide abuse doesn't fall under PAS. PAS doesn't determine whether abuse is real
Harvard's Dr. Eli Newberger, an assistant professor of pediatrics and an expert on child abuse, said he's been called on by state child protection agencies to evaluate ambiguous disclosures of abuse in divorce cases and believes that PAS deflects any real investigation into such allegations. (Talan, 2003)
You're unbelievable. Somehow you think putting a reference citation reflects research and validation. Not only is that not a researched quote. It's a third party quote, saying that somebody said something. It's the equivalent of saying "Gardner was correct about everything and I love him uncoditionally." (Gardner's mom, 1983).
Judge James Mize, Sacramento Superior Court, representing the California Judicial Council and the California Judges Association, testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee regarding parental alienation syndrome on May 6, 2003: I have told them (the last 120 judges who have been through this training) Parental Alienation Syndrome does not exist, it is not to be considered.
whats not real? yes there can be hostility between parents in a divorce but the direct effect of that leads a child to feel it has to side with one parent (normally the resident parent) in alot of cases thus the child being alienated against one parent. It would'nt happen if the parent didnt allow it.. but most do because it serves some sort of emotional gratification. so by allowing your emotions to manifest via the child is in some way manipulating the child to alienate the other parent.
That makes sense to me and in fact we are all guilty of this type of behaviour in some way or another in the course of healthy human behaviour
Some people have other underlying personality or character disorders which can actually make the alientaion worse and then I would actually consider it a mental disorder.
Rotgers and Barrett (1996) cite PAS theory as anonscientific theory that engages in "reverse logic." This problem was also noted by Benjamin D. Garber, who points out that the presumption that a child's distress during his or her parents' divorce is the result of alienation is often a confusion of cause and effect. Garber (1996, p. 51) notes, "both the physical and social sciences demonstrate that a cause cannot necessarily be inferred from an effect."[13] (Dallam, 1999)
From my personal experience - I dont believe a childs distress during a divorce is not a direct result from alienation but alienation to be contributing factor in some cases where its present. It can make it all the more stressful for a child feeling like they have to pick sides. I know, I've seen it with my own eyes.
in his book Sex Abuse Hysteria: Salem Witch Trials Revisited, Gardner (1991, p. 2) states: "The term scientific proof [italics in original] is not applicable to most of the issues discussed here." Actually, Gardner 's dogmatic assertion that PAS exists is the only proof Gardner 's offers that such a syndrome is valid. (Dallam, 1999)
we are seriously thinking in different boxes here. I can really see the problem clear as day. I dont think you are willing to see the bigger picture on this. I think its just women justifying their actions and down playing the effect it has. Manipulators are good at that...Dont believe everything you read and a judge is definatly not a psychologist. I would never have believed this myself if I didnt see it with my own eyes and I have. Gardner is right in my view, everything he says is dead on.
Gardners versions of PAS, are anti women, and pro paedophilia, hence they are rejected by reputable organisations.
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PAS theory has drawn widespread criticism for its failure to take into account the many alternative causes for the family dynamics observed in divorcing families. Gardner 's theories have also been criticized for their unwavering bias in favor of accused child molesters and against women and children. (Dallam, 1999)
"He [Dr. Richard Gardner] invented a concept and talked as if it were proven science. It's not." (Talan, 2003) * "PAS is not research-based, and it has done a great injustice to the family and the justice system," says Dr. Jon Conte, a psychologist at the University of Washington. He adds, "The criteria that Dr. Gardner has developed are virtually useless. He operates on the premise that if you say a lie often enough, people will believe it." (OMeara, 1999)
lol and who says 'Dr Jon Conte' knows any better than Gardner - you make me laugh so hard its stupid. You dont understand psychology at all, its ignorant people like yourself who dont understand basic concepts. At least I did a year in psychology and understand to a degree what Gardner is actually saying.
I have to come clean and admit it. I'm very sorry to my daughter - I used to alienate my daughter from my exhusband. I did anything to make her hate that man and in the end she resented him as much as I did and it made me feel so much better about myself, knowing my daughter was on MY SIDE. My ex-husband died 5 years ago from alchoholism, he started drinking when my daughter refused to see him and stopped visiting. Now its all my fault - I have taken my childs father from her and her from him.
for my own selfish reasons, I'm afraid I am a text book example of this, I hope others out there learn from my mistake - my daughter is very unhappy now and blames me, I have grandchildren that she has refused me to see..I guess karma is real. Dont down play the power of this mental disorder, its real i know - I wouldnt have admitted it 15 years ago, YOU'RE WRONG poster.
This [PAS theory] is junk science," said Dr. Paul Fink, a professor of psychiatry at Temple University School of Medicine and a past President of the American Psychiatric Association. "He [Dr. Richard Gardner] invented a concept and talked as if it were proven science. It's not." (Talan, 2003)
The thing is this people, parental alienation is very real and very sad. My son is a invitro baby. It took us 3 years to create him and close to $50,000.00.
He was a twin, the twin died when i was 20 weeks pregnant. My son is the love of my life and I would die for him today!!!
And now he hates me because his dad tells him to hate me.
I dont have the money to fight his dad in court. Anyone who says parental alienation isnt real needs to kiss thier children and thank god its not YOU.
The consultation with OFSTED is live now - and closes on 1st December - so please, I beg you fill in this OFSTED questionaire - then email it to OFSTED.
it includes gems such as "should OFSTED reveiw failing CAFCASS regions more regularly".
or should OFSTED publish inspections before CAFCASS can write an action plan, so that OFSTED are not seen to approve the plan.
Are you trying to tell me that my own personal life experience is a lie?
If so, I would have you know that I don't lie to myself nor do I allow others to lie to me.
1. Not all fathers are pedophiles! 2. Not all women are whores! 3. Not all child-custodians are abusers! 4. Mothers are equally capable of abusing the fathers!
When the child is in the middle, he/she becomes the battleground that suffers the most! Remember, the child is half mother and father.
We all suffer hostility, both men and women, that why the nature of divorce.
however PAS is very different to divorce. PAS is based on sexual abuse, but Gardner played a sleight of hand. If he could get courts to say the hosility should end in the transfer of residence to the other parent, then he could get every child who comes forward for abuse, silenced.
And, the victim transferred. Gardner said 95% of abuse claims were true, so why would you transfer residence if the abuse is true?
I'm afraid that I am not getting through to you that my definition of PAS is much broader than your limited attention to sexual abuse.
Parental Alienation Syndrome occurs when the custodial parent psycologically manipulates a child into disliking to ultimately hating the other parent without just cause. The custodial parent's objective is to completely erase the other parent's existance, thinking that doing so will make life easier for themselves. The #1 reason for divorce is selfishness.
Excuse me, but I am not the one citing Gardner. I never mentioned his name. That is a name you're hung up on. You are being very narrowminded in your needless argument.
This is your sandbox, play by yourself as you wish, but I am not interested in the bitter feminist agenda of father-hatred you are pushing. Intelligent people who have honestly been there will side with me - all they have to do is search the web for the unbiased info and make up their own minds.
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ONCE UPON A TIME AGO THEY SAID
WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO MY DAD
WAS IN MY BEST INTEREST. . .THEY FUCKING LIED.
We know what you have been doing to our fathers
in your corrupt family courts you sick mother fuckers.
classaction666 2 months ago
You're an idiot !!!!!
menzel290563 3 months ago
Making videos like this is a sign that the maker is on the sever side of the spectrum for this syndrom. This is in the literature in several countries, in fact.
jbearden 5 months ago
@loljustice30 Well in Sweden feminists encourage this behavior and every time it happens the celebrate. The standing the non feminist man have in Swedish society is lower then dog shit thanks to the feminists that are allowed to run rampant in media calling men all sort of things like "All men are animals" "All men shot be put down" "All men are talibans". So tell me who should I blame? I support the original feminism but not the modern when women is put on a pedestal above men.
Deji1987 6 months ago
My ex has my 2 little boys right now (after reporting what my son told me he did to him) and I am going through the nightmare myself so I know that it is real. They will have to face God with their lies sooner than they realize so that is what keeps me sane, knowing the "TRUTH" will set us free and what doesn't kill us will just make us stronger, escpecially if we all unite to stop this once and for all. Blessings to everyone that is fighting this horrific crime against our families, we will win
rltcmt 11 months ago
''Mothers for Justice'' is misguided here. MFJ can fight to save children from physical and sexual abuse without trying to negate the reality of parental alienation.
MFJ U R ruining your credibility for real. You may as well make other rediculous claims like 1921 Tulsa, OK was a good time and place for black people ( Google it ), or that Hitler's actions did NOT slaughter & devistate countless Jews. Get real. People please don't be mislead here. Enough survivor / witnesses live to tell.
jhvenus2004 11 months ago
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adamdoc80 1 year ago
I hope you never have to deal with PAS - not out of any consideration for you as you are a TOOL, but for the sake of your children (doubtful though if anyone would want to breed with such a bigot)...
adamdoc80 1 year ago
SBX 211 corrupt judges go to full disclosure and juditial watch and Dr shirley moore.
We need to show support to bringing these courpt judges to justice. the los angeles superior court judges are stealing 50,000 each. times all 436 of them = 21,000,000.00
per year. if we don't get angry about it they will get away with it. twenty one million per year.
danielcooper1000 1 year ago
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We will never be able to seek justice if the very place that we go to seek justice is dealt by judges that are corrupt. To fight this title wave of corruption in our county we must begin at the very place that we bring our evidence of corruption for justice. We would feel secure in the fact that the decisions made by the court would be made by evidence and truth and integrity and not made in the favor of party that slips them $50,000. CHANGE MUST START WITH THESE COURTS
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danielcooper1000 1 year ago
What a load of complete and utter filth you are propogating. The majority of your quotations are taken completely out of context and those anti-PAS have their own agendas. It is credible to say that there is not enough scientific evidence to label it a syndrome; this does not mean that parental alienation itself does not exist, and insults the millions of children who have been irrevocably damaged by it; not to mention the parents who are unable to regain their relationships with their chidren
Adbreak 1 year ago
Well done! I can't share the selfishness of parents who finds it easier to claim their kids and ex partners are sick rather then to understand and accept their own flaws.
The truth is: most part of marriages ends cause mostly the father betrayed his wife. This is why the kids reject them. Betraying a wife it means betraying the whole family. But NO, they think they can claim absolute love and devotion from their children.
Versamara 1 year ago
And anyway if a law were good for myself but a real disaster for someone else, I'd ask for a better law good enough for everybody. These human beings are so sadly selfish.
Many boys and girls are now suing courts to get their abuses legitimate cause they were forced to live with abusive fathers and now they're grown and call for justice.
Versamara 1 year ago
I care for them. Parental fights are true but to create a PSYCHIATRIC SYNDROME it's completely different.
How can't they recognize the huge difference?
And feminism has nothing to do with it. Go get some real information!
Versamara 1 year ago
@Versamara Most marriage ends because the husband betrayed the wife? Really? Or is it just that when men cheat people say that 'most men cheat' and when women cheat people say that 'that particular woman is a whore'? Where's the evidence for the fact that 'most marriage ends because the husband betrayed the wife'? I would say it's more likely that both spouses have been unhappy together for a long time and it isn't working.
loljustice30 6 months ago
My mother took me and my siblings from our father over such accusations. I later came to find out from my mother that she was very guilty of PAS. The damage is now done.... But to direct all who read and watch your video in the bizarre direction of pedophelia for a problem that in fact can ruin a child is very one sided and suspect on your motives to say the very least.
Mr666slayer666 1 year ago
PAS is very real and it is happening all over the globe stop believing in feminist bullshit. In Sweden PAS is taking place in about 60-80% of all divorces and that is a fact. In 90% of all child abuse allegations (connected to divorces where Adults was pointed the finger) that was reported it was found that it was just pure bullshit and in cases connected to divorces where the children was pointing the finger about 95% of the cases was found to be bullshit. So PAS IS VERY REAL!
Deji1987 1 year ago
@Deji1987 Can you please not blame feminism for this? It's exactly misconceptions like this that give feminism a bad name.
loljustice30 6 months ago
Fathers’ right to be a meaningful part of their childrens’ lives, have been eroded to the point of non-existence. Children who are alienated from their fathers are more likely later in life to have emotional/behavioral problems, suffer from depression, drop out of school, fail in their jobs, and suffer from other social problems. I invite you to visit my site devoted to raising awareness on this growing problem.
scottdavene 1 year ago 2
thank you for wasting my time with your pure bullshit
seanth014 1 year ago 2
I live in a America and I am a mother and a step mother and I deal with my husband's ex on a regular basis trying to brainwash my stepdaughter against. She filed a false physical abuse complaint with social services the day after she received notice that my husband was filing for additional visitation. After daily brainwashing of from her mother, my step daughter is telling us that she doesn't feel safe at our home but she has no idea why. Hostile Aggressive Parenting and PAS are very REAL.
crystales1 1 year ago 2
@crystales1
It's a divorce and things do get hostile.
But be careful of PAS - it's not what you think it is. The research was made up... and it's about gaining acceptance for paedophiles.
It's based on SALS (sexual abuse scale).
It's not about divorce - but was sold as a "panacea" to the divorce courts. until children hung themselves it was a favourite.
children were being made to live with their sexual abusers... which can never be supported.
UKSecretCourts 1 year ago
It is when one parent successfully turns a child against the other parent by manipulating the child's feelings with the exercise of control and negative talk. Whether someone does this for a just reason to protect or a child or out of their own selfishness is a different story. But Hostile Aggressive Parenting and Parental Alienation is real. If someone is making false accusations of this in order to maintain custody of an abused child then that is sad but it doesn't mean it is not real.
crystales1 1 year ago
I too live in America and my husbands ex-wife has completely alienated his daughter from him. She has filed false physical and sexual allegations on both of us and his 15 year old daughter now believes these borrowed scenarios created by this very sick woman. We have screamed PAS for the last 10 years to no avail. It is tragic.
debrajo1967 1 year ago
'inventore della Pas, il dottor Gardner
PAS SEGRETAMENTE ADOTTATA dai servizi sociali
...
Allora, cos'è, la Pas in Inghilterra?
“la denigrazione di un genitore svolta dall'altro”.
Mmmh.... ci sono pochi divorziati che hanno qualcosa di positivo da dire sull'ex coniuge... Allora, dove vuoi arrivare?”
IDRAname 1 year ago
@crystales1 I too live in America and have experienced PAS firsthand as a stepmpther. My step children have been alienated from their father and I for 14 years because of false unprovable accusations of a stage 3 obsessed alienator mother. PAS is very real. Parental Alienation has been submitted to the DSM review committee to considered for the next publication as a very "real" mental illness. Anyone thinking the contary is only "deluding" themselves.
SusanArendsee 8 months ago
I was sexually abused as a child and can remmeber a lot of it (there was physical evidence too) but when I reconnected with my father at age 20 he claimed I had PAS. I've felt cnfused ever since. Of course I WANT to believe him (who wouldn't?) but I know what he did- I can remember! Yet since I heard about PAS I've felt very uneasy, that MAYBE I have it, which makes my grief worse.
bipolarlex 1 year ago
@bipolarlex
It's nonsense to say you had PAS. It's a false made up syndrome. It's been rejected as a medical condition by Harvard.
Study the mental ways of the paedophile, and you'll realise how crafty they are.
MANIPULATION comes as standard!!
You're being manipulated. It's not a medical condition, so how can you suffer from something that doesn't exist?
The doctor who invented it, printed his books from his living room.
It's all "fake". As is what you're being told.
UKSecretCourts 1 year ago
@UKSecretCourts You say PAS is not a 'medical condition'. 'MEDICAL'?? WTF? Alienating a child's affections from the parent is a very real, frequent, epidemic occurance no matter WHAT U call it. IT IS REAL. It is an emotional thing. I know and everyone who is wounded by it knows it's real. The issue of abused kids is another issue all by itself. I really don't think it's appropriate for you to confuse it with the issue of one parent turning the hearts of children against the other parent.
jhvenus2004 11 months ago
@bipolarlex It is nonsense if there was physical evidence. Physical evidence shouldn't be ignored no matter how much someone tries to convince you otherwise. But do you know for a fact yourself that there was physical evidence or were you told this? How old were you? If you were under the age of 5 it is possible that your memories could be false. (read about false memory creation and child suggestibility)
crystales1 1 year ago
PAS is not outlawed in the United States ! My girlfriend's parental rights were terminated becaused she exposed the legal abuse and fraud of the court professionals and the sexual abuse of the father to the media and state officials and the fact she says the sexual abuse of her child happened...... EXPOSE Parental Alienation! STOP putting our kids with who abuse them physically and sexually.
VoicesbeHeard1 1 year ago
@VoicesbeHeard1
CPS is utterly corrupt.
The corruption and tyranny is on a scale that the public would never beleive, unless you've been on the receiving end of it.
They targetted and penalise those who expose corruption, so I've no doubt that she's been made to suffer in the most cruel ways they could imagine.
Social workers are utterly evil.
Google for John Hemming MP and Camilla Cavendish of The Times. Both are Oxford University - and have been on the receiving end of CPS.
UKSecretCourts 1 year ago
@VoicesbeHeard1 You are so correct., The person who posted this video should cut that false statement out of an otherwise great video. PAS is now an industry in the United States. The "fathers rights" folks are very well funded and they attack any anti-PAS media with a venom that tips their hand so to speak. My fiance has had her youngest child ripped from her by her physician ex-husband who did unspeakable things to her and all three children. We fight every day for Alexander's return.
joegarage7 8 months ago
This is completely ridiculous ....obviously someone with an axe to grind....I can tell you from experience THIS IS A PROBLEM I am going threw it right now ...only I recognize it for what it is ...hurt and abuse ...I will light myself on fire if I am deemed unfit in court...mark my words.
timcashman69 1 year ago
I'll buy the matches for you.
You're so arrogance that you will get a shock when you get in that court.
Do you think that everyone else is "unfit" and only you are "fit".
98% of them are "fit". But the court is structured in a system to fail you.
But you're not listening to what we're sayiing.
so good luck. The matches are in the post.
UKSecretCourts 1 year ago
you are totally missing the point here, this is about hate and money and the abuse of both genders in the family court. Its anot about a phoney gender war. Barristers and lawyers must be kept 500 metres from the family law courts. The people who know how children react to PAS are the parensts that are suffering. This is not about your desperate attempts to disprove something that millions of people have experienced.
CounsellingQld 2 years ago 2
This has a real foundation OK. I am a brilliant dad and have 2 wonderful children. My ex is a good mom but has never gotten over our divorce. My children have rejected me after 10 years of a beautiful loving relationship through false allegations (proved beyond a doubt). I know they love me and are hurting but through manipulation I only have one choice to get access to them again and that is through a terrible court process that would destroy relationships OR back off and wait...
garryfromentin 2 years ago 2
Yes, you can push for contact. the kids probably want to escape the "divorce" more than anything.
What we've picked up on is that Gardner and et al are using this to earn themselves money from divorcing parents whilst hiding another agenda.
They actively want sexual abusers to get custody. they give interviews to paedophilia magazines, and that's how one of his sidekicks got fired.
Be careful of the agenda's of Gardner and his friends. They're psycho's if truth be known.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
I got that. Whether what Gardener or Baker or Bone speak of in PAS. That situation does exist. For no reason whatsoever my children and I pay for a women's ignorance and bitterness. This has existed forever I know but it is unjust. Real abusers please send them to jail for life! But good dads are in short supply give them some justice
garryfromentin 2 years ago 4
This all really tuff material. Bottom line though is actually real simple. Leave the kids out of it. it causes a tremendous mess to the courts to society and most of all to your children and your own lives when you dont follow this simple dictum. Just leave the kids out of it. that all. Tell them, Hey I know this is really hard and I know mom and dad arent getting along and not together, but you know what, mom loves you and dad loves you and that sall that matters, and it'll be ok. trust that.
linnaeusTUBE 2 years ago
And btw I'm not talking about these extreme abuse cases. I'm sorry for all of you that go through that insanity. Im sure my advice does not apply in this way in these cases and it takes great courage and restraint to legitimately combat that in the court system. My heart goes out to those children and their parents.
linnaeusTUBE 2 years ago
Did you guys even research this Gardner guy?
He helped Evan Chandler lie about Michael Jackson and if he were such an expert on his own coined diagnosis then why did he not see Evan Chandler was brainwashing his son into lying?
Also, this man's own words reflect his own pedophilia nature. His main goal was to give rights to pedophilia fathers and victimize the mother and child by making them seem crazy.
This man was a psychopath and he ended his own life stabbing himself and overdosing.
HroseG 2 years ago
Hi
Nar, they're too far up their own backsides to research into Gardner.
Gardner is one of the sickest puppies on the planet - or was until he was found out.
They're using PAS cos they want to - and stuff the kids that will be raped and sexually abused, as long as it follows their agenda.
To come out with the sick stuff he did - a psychopath is putting it mildly.
Stabbing himself, cos he knew he'd been rumbled.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
your being ridiculous, this is not about him! never was , why are you hell bent on proving anything about this man? why are you not more concerned for kids that are in the middle of these types of situations??
timcashman69 1 year ago 2
In Britain PAS is not even recognised by the courts - you've got to refer to is as "parental aliennation". I think my ex-mother-in-law has been hard at it with my autistic daughter (like taking candy from a baby...)
She has a history of acrimony with her ex-partner which she won't let go of. Now it's been handed on down throught the generations down to my daughter.
This shit does exist, I am sorry womankind, but it does seem to be us ladies screwing eachother on this one.
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charlesoctavius 2 years ago 5
Don't bring up parental alienation either in court or you'll get shot down.
Divorce means you don't like one another. and that is not a medical condition.
Research into Gardner - you're supporting a paedophile.
And there is no way womankind would support the paedophile factories out there.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
YES! Just DON'T mention "parental alienation." Its just like denying that bears shit in the woods really isn't it? I agree with the open court system absolutely. What the Hell function does "Madam Cafcass" perform anyway, all they do is put their unqualified "slant" on stuff that is usually based on personal opinion then shove it into a legal setting.
DANGEROUS OR WHAT?
Useless Agency that are further complicating perfectly straight forward cases. The "pimp" of the social services.
charlesoctavius 2 years ago
We all agree that open court systems are the way to bring in the reform thats needed
But a strict adherence to PAS is not the way to go.
PAS was the brainchild of a paedophile - who thought rape was the price to be paid for receiving sperm.
Not a nice bloke.
His mate was disgraced after giving interviews to paedophile magazines.
There isn't a cats chance in hell of getting PAS accepted, as it's a charter FOR SEXUAL predators to isolate children.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
oh for christs sake wake up to yourselves you are so out of touch its criminal
CounsellingQld 2 years ago
Kids don't need to be involved in parents arguments. But what's that got to do with PAS? Nothing. I finished my marriage as quick as I could after my partner was repeatedly unfaithful. I was not. I didn't want my child involved in protracted arguments that were clearly on the cards. My partner was a habitual lier. I tried succesfully not to involve our child in future disagreements but here I am to this day five years on with no contact and a former partner poisoning the mind of my daughter
deano3433 2 years ago
PAS as a syndrome - some sort of medical category - thats one question. Alienation itself though is not contested as a form of abuse. Kids don't need to be involved in their parents disputes. If you love your children you shield them from your animosity toward one another, speak well or correctly of one another, encourage the children to listen to both parents and respect them and just live your life and leave them out of your disputes. Doing otherwise is wrong, plain and simple.
linnaeusTUBE 2 years ago 7
Rubbish!
Utter total rubbish.
PAS was a made up fantasy by one sick nobody by the name of Gardner.
He had to self publish his works cos no one else would.
He made up his own scale of sexual abuse - its not peer reviewed.
If you had 2 braincells you'd be pregnant!!
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
PAS is not the issue. Gardner is not the issue. By the way people in the industry don't care about PAS. Its outdated and of no current significance. So we agree.
However, no sane person would dispute that when children are needlessly involved in parental disputes, needlessly brought into a fray between parents, it results in collateral damage to the child, Thats all. Its simple. It really is. Just leave the kid out of it because the judges, forensics and therapists act on it!
linnaeusTUBE 2 years ago
My wife kept my Sons from me for over 10 years with the Help of Ventura County Courts in California. I have joint custody now and she contimues to prevent us from knowing each other anyway she can. It's all true PAS is for real.
MGkings 2 years ago 11
That's cos it's a DIVORCE. Divorced parents don't tend to LIKE one another.
It's not a medical syndrome to dislike the person you're divorcing.
That's the reason you're getting D.i.v.o.r.c.e.d. in the first place.
Start reading up on Gardner and find out what a sicko you're supporting!!
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
i was accused I got to see my son at a therapist for two one hour visits a month.. He turned 16 he no longer had to see me...i have not seen him in a year and a half..I DID NOTHING lets all thank his dad and hope and pray that my son is ok....
gippersue 2 years ago 9
This is the thing about PAS. It's usually used on woman.
When Gardner said men were as big as abusers!
So I expect that your ex has said horrible things to poison your kids mind.
in a couple of years, he will come back. Keep the paperwork ready.
When he's older he'll hate his father for breaking contact with you.
Most parents who are NRP (non resident) go on to have wonderful relationships with their kids. Who turn on those who STOPPED contact.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
TO ALL EXTREME ALIENATORS: LOOK WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR CHILDREN- there are over 40 life stories of young children devastated this child abuse. Listen to their sad stories as adults- and see what you-yes you ALIENATOR did to them. STOP NOW- PROTECT THE CHILDREN and seek your own counseling by getting them out of the middle- DO IT FOR YOUR KIDS!!!!
Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrome: Breaking the Ties that Bind
Amy J. L. Baker
Italiangent1 2 years ago 11
God is on our side, the devil with its Parental Alienation agenda is no match.
And when God passes judgement, He will do a real clean job I can assure you.
ykmsp 2 years ago 5
UKSecrets.. You analysis and opinions of Gardiners PAS theory are totally twisted and plan wrong. You obviously have an agenda and it seems very apparent from your postings that you don't mind twisting and misrepresenting facts and PAS theory to suit your own agenda. If you are a parent, and you appeared in a court room talking this trash, you'd probable lose custody of you child.
jordanscott007 2 years ago 12
What a load of crap. This whole thread. Your comments attributed to Dr Gardiner are totally false. The problem here arises from parents making false allegations. Parents making false allegations make it harder for genuine abuse allegations to be identified and handled properly. But your video is based on falsehoods and blatantly misleading.
jordanscott007 2 years ago 8
The comments are direct publications.
A child should be believed inside a court room. Those being hurt or abused are being disbelieved. This cannot be tolerated.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
Well that's crap too. Courts operate on evidence. What you are suggesting is a return to the time when children accused women of being witches and they were hanged. EVIDENCE PEOPLE! Thats what courts operate on.
jordanscott007 2 years ago 7
PAS is based on sexual abuse.
What Gardner was asking for, was that the voice of the child be ignored, and that looks to be your stance too.
So if a child comes forward, and says it's abused, that should be ignored?
PAS has everything to do with sexual abuse - google for the SALs scale created by Gardner.
If you knew anything about the courts you'd know that the Times is campaign against secret courts. for it's lack of credible evidence.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
I'm in Sydney. Sorry but you are totally wrong. In the slide above, PAS is not 'the denigration of one parent by the other" NOT TOTALLY FALSE DEFINITION. You are getting PA (Parent Alienation) confused with PAS. If you can't get that right even - what value is your opinion at ALL!
jordanscott007 2 years ago
If the courts accepted Parental Alienation, then every child that came forward with a valid reason to not see aparent would be FORCED to.
So if a child said I'm being hurted... the judge would transfer residence, as this is clearly parental alientation or PAS.
However, what if that child was telling the truth?
One child HUNG himself after being forced to live with his abuser.
Is this what you're advocating? Put children to live with their abusers??
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
No children should live with sexual abusers. But you obvious don't know the difference between PA(or HAP) and PAS. And this is the problem. People misunderstanding the theory and terminology. Clearly you are on of these people. FYI - 3 months ago I was falsely accused of sexually abusing my 4 yr old daughter. Parents fabricating abuse claims make it difficult for genuine abuse matters to be handled appropriately. Thats the problem here - Parents making false claims.
jordanscott007 2 years ago 6
And what percentage of claims are false??
This is critical.
The research by gardner was that only 5% of abuse claims are false.
USA research said only 3% of claims are false.
So using your argument, 97% of children should be forced to live with their sexual abusers.
Nar mate. I'm not buying that.
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emreraldthistle 2 years ago
My son was molested by his half brother at age 4. The mother has a history of drugs and has been to jail. My son came home a few months ago with marks on his legs that he said his mother left on him cause he was talking while she was on the phone. Because of this PAS .....my son is considered to be not telling the truth. Judge appoints lawyer for my son and tells her right off this is a PAS case. Not only is the mother now getting overnights I'm about to have my son taken away. Pray for my son!!
sailshane 2 years ago
PAS is evil, because it puts the child at the mercy of the abuser.
i'm so so sorry. Gardner mis sold his unpeer viewed "research" to divorce laywers.
Basically PAS makes out the children to be liars, when they tell the truth. They are punished for telling the truth.
I'm so so sorry.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
I wish you were in the UK. You could contact VOICE (free child lawyers, who only take instruction directly from children).
In the UK the age of a child hiring their own lawyer is 12 years. I feel so powerless to help you.
PAS is an abuse in itself. Thank you for your comment. I wish you peace and serenity.
You will need to gather forensic evidence.
Photograph the bruises.
Video tape the children telling you how xyz hurt them.
Day by day amass "forensic" evidence against the courts.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
I understood PAS to be the constructive denigration of the abused parent by the abusing parent to their children. The children come to understand that the official line is the accepted 'truth'. It has to be remembered that the abuse may be subtle - "mummy/daddy's ill, you know". This is very common. The problem I had was persuading authorities that PAS was going on. They couldn't see why my ex would indulge in it. My serious reply that he may be personality disordered didn't wash, of course.
annbretagne 2 years ago 3
That's how Gardner sold his books to the divorce courts.
However, he's put at risk the 97% of abused children.
PAS is not actually about saying bad things about a parent at all.
It's based on sexual abuse. And saying that if a man abuses his child, well, that's the mother fault.
Oh, and don't forget he told rape victims that "Rape was the price of receiving the sperm".
A real chestnut that one.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
UKSecrets...seriously. Your take on matters expressed above is twisted. You need some therapy. Stop spread your ignorance and twisted thinking into other people. Get some help.
PAS has got ZERO to do with sexual abuse.
jordanscott007 2 years ago 7
In response to Hzqi, you raise a good point:
"The whole point of a judicial system is to examine a case and determine whether there's any veracity to support it."
The most blatantly recognizable legal failing of PAS is its reliance on the assumption that allegedly abused children are lying. These claims of abuse, if under the umbrella of PAS, go untested or uninvestigated.
To use your own point, this preference of presumption over evidence is incompatible with the justice system.
je3456tt 2 years ago
It's the same for ANY law.
It's a fact that many women have weaponized the laws against rape. They use an accusation against a man as a weapon to harm him, because of anger over some other matter.
Does that mean rape shouldn't be illegal because the unscrupulous are taking advantage of it? Of course not. PSA is very, very real. Call it whatever you like. The only thing that is even remotely debatable, is just how prominent it is, and the ratio of legitimate or unreported cases.
Hzqi 2 years ago
**PAS [typo]
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nakkeost2 2 years ago
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Fantastic Video - Very Truthful
psychlawundone 2 years ago
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Parents are fighting back for their rights
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parentsagainstthemcf 2 years ago
Reprecussions are now being introduced for PAS!! Which is great. $30,000 fine for a vindicitive women who brainwashed her child to hate her father. This was in Toronto. Overwhelming evidence proved it without a shadow of a doubt and yes they are talking about jail time now. PAS doesn't exist? LOL. Scared?
booooboooo2010 2 years ago
PAS is discredited by Harvard etc.
Expect millions to be paid to kids made to live with Sexual Abusers if Canada has brought PAS into a court room. 97% of sexual abuse claims are valid. So are Canada forcing kids to live with their abusers now?
The day you let PAS enter a court room, Justice has failed the children.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
Thanks for making your agenda crystal clear. CUSTODY battles involving sexual claims is 97%? haha Blatant lie. The whole institution of Harvard discredited PAS? Or do you mean the exceptional few cases involving sexual allegations? I'll email her myself. Lie/distortion #2. What do you mean what kids are forced to live with thier abuser? Since when was abuse ever involved? It NEVER was. The children were brainwashed to hate their dad. Your assumption speaks volumes. You don't understand PAS.
booooboooo2010 2 years ago 2
Sorry no other way to explain it. Mothers are also victims of PAS from the fathers in many cases.
booooboooo2010 2 years ago
Divorce isn't pleasant, but not liking each other isn't a medical conditon.
And I'm not misquoting Garner or Harvard.
If he [the molesting father] doesn't know this already, he has to be helped to appreciate that pedophilia has been considered the norm by the vast majority of individuals in the history of the world
NOW that is all your "hero" the paedophile advocate...
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
Why are stupid people relentlessly reductive about the purpose of a law? The whole point of a judicial system is to examine a case and determine whether there's any veracity to support it. Parents not liking each other isn't a medical condition. One parenting weaponizing the legal system to deny access and alienate another parent, while actively brainwashing them against them, is, and SHOULD be illegal. If abusers are using PAS to gain access, then obviously that's where judgement prevails.
Hzqi 2 years ago
You will never know the truth til you see your own kids being brainwashed by your ex.!!!
lonewolf1264 2 years ago 10
Just as many mothers have spiteful ex's full of hatred.
But they don't support PAS, because it's just two ex's who don't like each other, it's not a medical condition.
So you would put 97% of sexually abused kids at risk would you?
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
Oh ya,mothers for justice,go screw yourselves!!You are the liars who screw the children out of their fathers!!
lonewolf1264 2 years ago 9
Undeniably the truth, simply read through their website for complete clarity on the matter.
booooboooo2010 2 years ago
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lonewolf1264 2 years ago 8
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Thank-you for putting this out there. There is no such thing as PAS. There is such a thing as brainwashing. This quack ended up committing suicide. My child was sexually abused by good old cop dad and there is evidence with doctors reports and photographs, yet CPS gave him custody.
dyandriaanddyandria 2 years ago
dyandria, No Problem.
I was mortified when I was shown the what underpins PAS.
It's pure self published rubbish, designed to earn Gardner money in "court fees". Stuff the children who are abused.
I'm sorry that your child got caught in the midst of this. As the abuser is given power under PAS. it's literally unforgivable.
I often wonder what prompted Gardner to commit suicide... and I think it's cos he knew that he'd been exposed as a fraud, who supported paedophiles.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
I'm confused here. Are you saying PAS does not exist??? LOL. If anyone, even for a split second, believes that PAS is not real, you need to seriously have your head examined. I await your response eagerly.
booooboooo2010 2 years ago
PAS has been rejected by every organisation that's investigated it.
Check out Harvard et al.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
Not in Canada or via the court, child aid's or any other organizations. Your missing the point, whomever this person is, he can be dismissed as he is irrevalant. The syndrome itself it real and I live it, without a shadow of a doubt does it exist and it is used for vindictive reasons.
booooboooo2010 2 years ago
Divorcing parents don't like each other, years ago the courts just accepted that fact.
Along came the "pro sex with children" gang and dubious interviews with pro paedophile magazines.
Not liking your ex goes with the territory...
But it is NOT a medical condition.
Paedophiles can gain access to children using PAS, hence it's unsafe.
Remember 97% of all sexual abuse claims are true.
Children hung themselves due to PAS - to escape the court order to live with their abuser.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
UKSecretCourts - After reading these posts, it looks clear that you have a personal axe to grind. In my opinion, the video and your responses to the offered comments are narrow minded and significantly distort the facts about parental alienation.
So, I have to ask "why"?
Were subjected to sexual abuse in your past?
This seems to be the most logical explanation for your irrational assertions and your fixation to linking PAS and sex abuse.
johnjohnson98606 2 years ago 16
Dear John,
Gardners entire work and theory is based on Sexual abuse.
EVERYTHING about PAS is based on sexual abuse.
Gardner was trying to turn a fast buck, by becoming a hired gun in court, and putting the sexually abused at risk.
It doesn't need to be a sufferer, to recognise that putting abused children with their abuser, isn't a bright idea.
Some of Gardners sidekicks were "disgraced" for giving pro paedophile interviews... to paedophile magazines...
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
How can you put faith in Gardners statistics if you have no faith in his theories?
justsomefellow2 2 years ago
Other researchers in America said 97% of abuse claims were true.
I believe that Australian research said 99% of abuse was true.
Which makes PAS even more incomprehensible, as it's putting 99% of children with their sexual abuser...
Which ain't on guys...
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
If you dont believe PAS is real, what would you call a parent that uses their child as a pawn to get back at an ex?
Richard Gardner DID NOT invent PAS, he just coined the phrase. PAS has been around since the first vindictive ex, it just didnt have a title.
justsomefellow2 2 years ago 7
Have you learnt to read?
If yes, then read the side bar - of all the books written by Gardner, who "invented" PAS. He also "invented" SALS, the sexual abuse scale.
So get reading!!
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
Apparently you cant read, you never answered my question. What would you call a parent that uses their child as a pawn to get back at an ex?
justsomefellow2 2 years ago 7
Divorce means that you don't like each other. Twenty years ago, courts accepted that divorcing parents didnt' like each other.
They didn't try to turn that into a "medical condition".
Accept that divorcing people don't like each other, and that that is not a medical condition.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
It still is accepted that divorcing people don't like each other and youre right, it shouldnt be considered a medical condition. A selfish parent that uses a child as a pawn, teaches a child to hate, brainwashes / manipulates a child in order to SOLELY harm or control the other parent SHOULD have a title. Munchausen by proxy syndrome is a recognized psychiatric disorder, and a parent that uses a child as a pawn should also be a recognized psychiatric disorder. CHILDREN ARE NOT PAWNS.
justsomefellow2 2 years ago 8
MSBP has been discredited.
It's now longer allowed in the criminal courts.
It's "inventor" when challenged to present his evidence to be peer reviewed, admitted in court that he'd destroyed it.
The barristers laughed the good doctor out of court.
The GMC disbarred him as a doctor, for giving evidence to convict mothers, but not having any evidence to prove his research.
No doctor should convict mothers for double murder, on junk science. As the Judge told him...
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
PAS is real. It was around long before Richard Gardner put a title on it. In the 1800s women got kicked off the farm and the children became property of the father. Children suffered then and they suffer now. PAS is both a danger to a targeted parent and a parent falsely accused of it, but in the end it is the innocent children that pay the highest price. Your video is full of untruths. In most cases of Divorce most allegations of sexual abuse are false.
justsomefellow2 2 years ago 7
Wrong.
Most cases of sexual abuse are valid and true, and that percentage is static and unaffected by a divorce.
Gardner = 95% true.
USA Research = 97% true.
The American research is backed by Australian research, which also states the overwhelming majority of abuse claims are true.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
I agree with this video but at the end it should say parents not mothers! I'm a single father being accused of this PAS and my son's mother is abusing my son while his older half brother has sexually. This judge is getting played by the mother and I look like the bad guy for trying to protect my son.
sailshane 2 years ago
Whichever parent is defending the child should be protected.
Sexual abuse can be by either parent - you must not be penalised for standing up to protect the child.
Likewise, those being abused, must not be handed over to the abuser.
97% of abuse cases are true, this is what even Gardner said.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
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chopsticksue 2 years ago
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btw..Im asking you a straight forward question. You are campaigning against something that is very real and tearing families apart and causing a great lot of pain to loving parents. PAS is about alienation and false accusations - not sexual abuse (although it can be an accusation thats made but thats irrelevant) You dont understand Gardner's work because you are not a psychologist, you would if you had any knowledge of the human psyche So dont propagate lies and misconceptions based on ignorance
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chopsticksue 3 years ago
Gardners own words - "When true parental abuse and/or neglect is present, the childs animosity may be justified and so the parental alienation syndrome explanation for the childs hostility is not applicable." (Gardner 2002)
chopsticksteve 3 years ago 13
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NO....this is common sence. A child that is abused will sometimes protect the parent abusing them. It's such a joke when people like Gardner think they know exactly what is going on ina childs head. This PAS is getting out of hand and children that are realy getting abused are ineven more danger!!!
sailshane 2 years ago
If 95% of all claims are true, why would you risk putting any child with a sexual abuser?
Lots of children were placed with their sexual abusers under PAS - that's why it has such a STINKING reputation.
PAS destroyed their lives - forever!!
They told the truth about being abused, and under the despicable GARDNERS PAS - the paedophile got residency.
These kids HUNG THEMSELVES DUE TO PAS.
Anyone who supports PAS and paedophiles getting residency is SICK!!
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
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No kidding. It's completely ridiculous! My concern is the whole "false memory" thing where they don't listen to a child's testimony. That is SO dangerous! It's like because they are little they don't have to be listened to and their feelings and experiences do not count. This can lead to further abuse and kids getting killed! A child's testimony should never be discounted because their parents don't like each other. Of course they don't, especially if one parent has harmed the child!
Tangocat 3 years ago
^^Totally Agree^^
If a child says they're being abused - we listen to the child.
I've heard of so many cases where the children are describing horrific things in detail, and they're being ignored.
Because its a "divorce".
It's the childs voice, not the social workers, not the parents... the child.
Imagine, a young child coming forward to report physical abuse - and being laughed at or ignored. We listen to kids. I totally agree with you Tangocat.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
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I don't think that these ladies are talking about or referring to situations in which a parent is being alientated for no good reason. They are trying to find solutions to protect abused children who are suffering. This is a very real problem. Parents who are unjustly alienated are definitely not being treated fairly and this is a crime in itself but not what this is even discussing so no reason to be upset.
Tangocat 3 years ago
PAS is based on an invented "SALS" scale of sexual abuse. It's not peer reviewed, or accepted by peers.
It's fake, pseduo science.
Years ago, judges accepted you didn't like each other if you got divorced.
Today, they're trying to make not liking each other into a medical condition.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Why does uksecretcourts have a video 'psychological warfare lesson 1' as a favourite on their homepage? I wonder? thats not anti-propaganda! just goes to show dont it?
jenhow69 3 years ago
Once again this person has commingled sexual trauma and sex crimes with PAS. PAS is not sexual. Get your facts straight. I am not saying that sex crimes are not valid...they are horrible too and one of the worst crimes committed, but PAS and sex crimes are separate get your facts straight.
usmcoth 3 years ago 7
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True story - mum on the run
Let's bring this mum home safely - by mass publicity.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Harvard is a feminist controlled institution it is headed by a lesbian. They threw out Lawrence Summers the former chancellor out for questioning the political correct values of this feminist institution and replaced him with this lesbian.
THEMAN62084 3 years ago 4
"This Lesbian". lol! There are many men who criticise PAS, are they Lesbians too? When rational answers end, you end up with comments like... "They're all Lesbians".
I'm sure that Harvard is generally not Lesbian, and generally not homosexual. Neither is one's sexual orientation of any consequence, unless your orientation is towards children. Then it matters.
So unless you're claiming she's a paedophile, her sexual orientation is not up for discussion.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Although there is currently a great deal of research on child sexual abuse, Gardner ignores the literature -- relying instead on his own assumptions, opinions and beliefs.
Actually, Gardner 's dogmatic assertion that PAS exists is the only proof Gardner 's offers that such a syndrome is valid. (Dallam, 1999)
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Oh look, you're quoting the infallible Dallam again. She's a registered nurse who is employed to testify in custody hearings. She is the furthest thing you can get from an unbiased peer review. She does no research. You're a robot. You just keep posting the same unsupported quotes from unreliable sources. Whether PAS is a "syndrome" is a semantics issue and doesn't mean that programming of a child doesn't exist. The behavior Gardner described has been observed by numerous researchers.
laughable1900 3 years ago 5
This video is so full of generalization and misstatement that it's laughable. You call Gardener a quack (while completely misrepresenting his work), yet you continuously quote Dallam, who is a registered nurse who hasn't conducted research at any reputable university. In addition you quote Harvard. Harvard is a school, it doesn't conduct research. A researcher at Harvard may have made the comment, but it doesn't mean that it has been approved or endorsed by Harvard in anyway.
laughable1900 3 years ago 2
Gardner is a quack. He "made up" his definitions of sexual abuse, rather than using accepted standards.
He self published his own books.
Australia has banned PAS.
His words are his words, Gardner is a madman.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Why do you keep referring to sexual abuse? Gardner clearly defined that PAS is only applicable when there is no actual abuse. The denigration is unwarranted.
Also, pretty sure a country can not ban a theory. They may not recognize it in court. Big difference.
Your misunderstanding of basic concepts negates your entire campaign.
laughable1900 3 years ago
His findings were that most cases of sexual abuse claims were true - he claimed 95%. American research found 97% of claims were true.
Everything about PAS is based on Sexual abuse - it's the Heart of the matter.
As what you're essentially arguing is that the sexually abused should be placed in a paedophile's care.
And if the max error rate is only 5% that in no way, excuses society giving the care of 95% of those being abused to a paedophile. Hence the blackhole in the centre of PAS.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
You're absolutely ridiculous. It's like having a discussion with an 8-year-old (a dim one at that). Have you actually read Gardner's publications or simply regurgitating something somebody told you? I have no idea what Mothers for Justice is, but they should be embarrassed to be associated with this mess. Gardner's definition doesn't in any way center on sexual abuse. It relates to unwarranted denigration. Bona-fide abuse doesn't fall under PAS. PAS doesn't determine whether abuse is real
laughable1900 3 years ago 5
Harvard's Dr. Eli Newberger, an assistant professor of pediatrics and an expert on child abuse, said he's been called on by state child protection agencies to evaluate ambiguous disclosures of abuse in divorce cases and believes that PAS deflects any real investigation into such allegations. (Talan, 2003)
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
You're unbelievable. Somehow you think putting a reference citation reflects research and validation. Not only is that not a researched quote. It's a third party quote, saying that somebody said something. It's the equivalent of saying "Gardner was correct about everything and I love him uncoditionally." (Gardner's mom, 1983).
laughable1900 3 years ago 5
Judge James Mize, Sacramento Superior Court, representing the California Judicial Council and the California Judges Association, testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee regarding parental alienation syndrome on May 6, 2003: I have told them (the last 120 judges who have been through this training) Parental Alienation Syndrome does not exist, it is not to be considered.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Parental Alienation SYNDROME, does not exist but Parental Alienation does. ITS ONLY A DEBATE ON WEATHER ITS CLASSIFIED AS A SYNDROME MORON.
jenhow69 3 years ago
It's not real, what about that don't you get??
there's hostility, but that's par for the course in a divorce. What did you expect would happen? Love letters and flowers?
That doesn't make it a medical or clinic condition.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
whats not real? yes there can be hostility between parents in a divorce but the direct effect of that leads a child to feel it has to side with one parent (normally the resident parent) in alot of cases thus the child being alienated against one parent. It would'nt happen if the parent didnt allow it.. but most do because it serves some sort of emotional gratification. so by allowing your emotions to manifest via the child is in some way manipulating the child to alienate the other parent.
jenhow69 3 years ago 3
That makes sense to me and in fact we are all guilty of this type of behaviour in some way or another in the course of healthy human behaviour
Some people have other underlying personality or character disorders which can actually make the alientaion worse and then I would actually consider it a mental disorder.
jenhow69 3 years ago 2
Rotgers and Barrett (1996) cite PAS theory as anonscientific theory that engages in "reverse logic." This problem was also noted by Benjamin D. Garber, who points out that the presumption that a child's distress during his or her parents' divorce is the result of alienation is often a confusion of cause and effect. Garber (1996, p. 51) notes, "both the physical and social sciences demonstrate that a cause cannot necessarily be inferred from an effect."[13] (Dallam, 1999)
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
From my personal experience - I dont believe a childs distress during a divorce is not a direct result from alienation but alienation to be contributing factor in some cases where its present. It can make it all the more stressful for a child feeling like they have to pick sides. I know, I've seen it with my own eyes.
jenhow69 3 years ago
in his book Sex Abuse Hysteria: Salem Witch Trials Revisited, Gardner (1991, p. 2) states: "The term scientific proof [italics in original] is not applicable to most of the issues discussed here." Actually, Gardner 's dogmatic assertion that PAS exists is the only proof Gardner 's offers that such a syndrome is valid. (Dallam, 1999)
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
we are seriously thinking in different boxes here. I can really see the problem clear as day. I dont think you are willing to see the bigger picture on this. I think its just women justifying their actions and down playing the effect it has. Manipulators are good at that...Dont believe everything you read and a judge is definatly not a psychologist. I would never have believed this myself if I didnt see it with my own eyes and I have. Gardner is right in my view, everything he says is dead on.
jenhow69 3 years ago 3
Gardners versions of PAS, are anti women, and pro paedophilia, hence they are rejected by reputable organisations.
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PAS theory has drawn widespread criticism for its failure to take into account the many alternative causes for the family dynamics observed in divorcing families. Gardner 's theories have also been criticized for their unwavering bias in favor of accused child molesters and against women and children. (Dallam, 1999)
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
ANYONE WHO WANTS THE TRUTH ABOUT DR GARDNER WHAT HE HAS ACTUALLY SAID GOTO
children4justice CHANNEL
jenhow69 3 years ago
"He [Dr. Richard Gardner] invented a concept and talked as if it were proven science. It's not." (Talan, 2003) * "PAS is not research-based, and it has done a great injustice to the family and the justice system," says Dr. Jon Conte, a psychologist at the University of Washington. He adds, "The criteria that Dr. Gardner has developed are virtually useless. He operates on the premise that if you say a lie often enough, people will believe it." (OMeara, 1999)
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
lol and who says 'Dr Jon Conte' knows any better than Gardner - you make me laugh so hard its stupid. You dont understand psychology at all, its ignorant people like yourself who dont understand basic concepts. At least I did a year in psychology and understand to a degree what Gardner is actually saying.
jenhow69 3 years ago
I have to come clean and admit it. I'm very sorry to my daughter - I used to alienate my daughter from my exhusband. I did anything to make her hate that man and in the end she resented him as much as I did and it made me feel so much better about myself, knowing my daughter was on MY SIDE. My ex-husband died 5 years ago from alchoholism, he started drinking when my daughter refused to see him and stopped visiting. Now its all my fault - I have taken my childs father from her and her from him.
chopsticksue 3 years ago 2
for my own selfish reasons, I'm afraid I am a text book example of this, I hope others out there learn from my mistake - my daughter is very unhappy now and blames me, I have grandchildren that she has refused me to see..I guess karma is real. Dont down play the power of this mental disorder, its real i know - I wouldnt have admitted it 15 years ago, YOU'RE WRONG poster.
chopsticksue 3 years ago 2
This [PAS theory] is junk science," said Dr. Paul Fink, a professor of psychiatry at Temple University School of Medicine and a past President of the American Psychiatric Association. "He [Dr. Richard Gardner] invented a concept and talked as if it were proven science. It's not." (Talan, 2003)
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
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The thing is this people, parental alienation is very real and very sad. My son is a invitro baby. It took us 3 years to create him and close to $50,000.00.
He was a twin, the twin died when i was 20 weeks pregnant. My son is the love of my life and I would die for him today!!!
And now he hates me because his dad tells him to hate me.
I dont have the money to fight his dad in court. Anyone who says parental alienation isnt real needs to kiss thier children and thank god its not YOU.
JJZeune 3 years ago
JJ,
I can understand what you're going through.
When your own child is hateful to you, you sometimes feel as though it would have been better had you never been born.
If you'd like please feel free to pm me.
Twinhit 3 years ago
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UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Twin hit, lets hope they find that PAS is outlawed.
Lets hope they find the harvard research - against it.
No one reputable, Supports abusers being given power over children.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
It's very real!
In the US the mother more often than not gets custody of the child.
The child then is subjected to the mother's opinions which can turn from basic non-serious facts to outlandish fantasies.
Remember women are emotional creatures and their emotions "can" get the best of them.
Whenever the custody dispute evolves into integration into a new family it's severity can get much worse. I know - I LIVED IT!
Twinhit 3 years ago
Just as many women suffer hostility from ex parents, and their children get told their mums are whores.
PAS is about sexual abuse - silencing the victims coming forward. Gardner deliberately misled you.
It's a pro paedophile charter to say to victims
1. We don't believe you. 2. you're a liar, 3. We're forcing you to live with your abuser.
This can't ever be justified. PAS punishes the children who come forward to report sexual abuse, and that's why PAS has been discredited by Harvard.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
First of all, I just have to ask:
Are you trying to tell me that my own personal life experience is a lie?
If so, I would have you know that I don't lie to myself nor do I allow others to lie to me.
1. Not all fathers are pedophiles! 2. Not all women are whores! 3. Not all child-custodians are abusers! 4. Mothers are equally capable of abusing the fathers!
When the child is in the middle, he/she becomes the battleground that suffers the most! Remember, the child is half mother and father.
Twinhit 3 years ago
We all suffer hostility, both men and women, that why the nature of divorce.
however PAS is very different to divorce. PAS is based on sexual abuse, but Gardner played a sleight of hand. If he could get courts to say the hosility should end in the transfer of residence to the other parent, then he could get every child who comes forward for abuse, silenced.
And, the victim transferred. Gardner said 95% of abuse claims were true, so why would you transfer residence if the abuse is true?
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
I'm afraid that I am not getting through to you that my definition of PAS is much broader than your limited attention to sexual abuse.
Parental Alienation Syndrome occurs when the custodial parent psycologically manipulates a child into disliking to ultimately hating the other parent without just cause. The custodial parent's objective is to completely erase the other parent's existance, thinking that doing so will make life easier for themselves. The #1 reason for divorce is selfishness.
Twinhit 3 years ago 6
Gardner has manipulated you.
PAS is not this "broad" definition.
Either way the solution is to FORCE a child to live with a parent that it dislikes.
This is THREAT therapy, that causes children to self harm and commit suicide.
For the sake of an error margin of at most 5%, 95% of children who are abused, are put at risk.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Excuse me, but I am not the one citing Gardner. I never mentioned his name. That is a name you're hung up on. You are being very narrowminded in your needless argument.
This is your sandbox, play by yourself as you wish, but I am not interested in the bitter feminist agenda of father-hatred you are pushing. Intelligent people who have honestly been there will side with me - all they have to do is search the web for the unbiased info and make up their own minds.
Twinhit 3 years ago 6
Gardner is the inventor of PAS, it's all based on his works.
So it's like quoting the bible, and saying don't mention God... Gardner is the "God" of PAS.
Intelligent people will find the reviews of Harvard - and why PAS is pseudo science.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
you obviously have never been victimised by PAS, or watched as your own child succumbs to the passive abuse and brainwashing. your fa