This organ must be made fully functional as soon as possible for the purpose of coastal protection! Sooner or later a tsunami will set course for the Jersey Shore. I'm sure that if this organ was played on full stops, The giant sound would fight and overpower the wave and spare Atlantic City.
The sheer power of this organ and all its registration put it in a category of its own.
Enough bickering this is a symphonic organ meaning it is ment to do the work of a whole orchestra in concert, it is a jack of all trades organ, even if its not like the old baroque organs of europe, the depth and athority of sound it has cannot be matched, true though it depends on the organ player ot make it work like a good conductor of an symphony. however just wait till the organ is finished.
@manga12 It will also speak with more authority and clarity now as the acoustics of the room are much clearer now than they were when this recording was made!
Whether noble or ignoble the intentions of those who built, maintained, allowed to deteriorate or restore are or remain to be seen, this much is so. There is no equal to this great instrument, and it would be an unforgivable, irreconcilable loss to all of Music if this were lost to Time, as so many great instruments of its ilk have!
I have only two pieces I want to hear from it, upon its full restoration, one has already
Imagine Daniel Roth playing thhis unstrument & an american organist playing St Sulpice organ. Now a Questuion, How can we Compare EUROPEAN Organists & AMERICAN ones in their playiong Style ? I think they're different . For Exemple I've never seen american organist playing this piece like the European ones!!
what's a high octane version ,,? Does not this toccata have anmiddle A as first note ? because I can Play the First minute on a Miditzer virtual organ on PC
The organ is well underway to complete repair. 33,000 plus pipes playing in a hall that comfortably seats 44,000 people. It is the largest and loudest musical instrument in the world, bar none.
Can someone please give an update on the state of this organ - it does not appear to be played now, and requiring new magnets, relays reconnecting etc etc.
The achos site does not give much information.
Has it deteriorated since 1998? How many people work on it?
The organ is played during tours. Currently most of the right stage chamber is operational, although there are still dead notes, and it needs a good tuning.
siren the new magnets will allow the right stage chamber to be fully operational again. Work is being done on the blowers for the Left Stage Chamber; with hopes that it will be done by the time the new relay is installed
Notre-Dame may be bigger but it does not in any way mean its better. That organ is just a shell of what it once was.
St. Ouen is rumored to be completely unaltered. Also, the building its in has much greater acoustics. Its 32 contre bombarde is the most powerful one in the world.
That's how Cavaille-Coll designed his organ's as well, the building.
I think this organ is magnificent, I hope it will be fully restored as soon as possible and I'm not claiming to be a great authority on the subject, but I do feel strongly that an organ being large is not necessarily crucial to its integrity. I have played several very big organs and many small ones, some of the small ones were wonderful, particularly a 2 manual Casavant in Ontario which was incredibly versatile.
I wish I could have been in the Auditorium when this was being performed. There could not exist a more perfect dual manifestation of sheer power and magnificence- Bach's crowning work of absolute music- the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, and the only organ divinely fit to interpret such a work with- the King of Kings-
the Midmer-Losh. Argue and debate what you may, your words are eternally wasted into ignorant silence according to me. Even in its
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Just remember: S Ouen, Rouen, France, runs rings round this thing: and with only 64 stops and 4 manuals... (Oh yes - the acoustic's not bad either lolol)
Yes, I've heard the Cavaillè-Coll, but remember that this one must fill with sounds a theater large as a football stadium, and at the time the recording was made it was operative only one of the six sections.
...you, sir, are a moron. The Cavaille-Coll organ in St Ouen is largely outclassed by St Sulpice and even what's left at Notre Dame, but this is meant to do something much different, and indeed it could vibrate any one of the three organs mentioned above off of their respective foundations.
I trust my education can allow me to tell a snob when I see one. All the instruments mentioned are excellent examples of their class, but St Ouen is outclassed by St Sulpice and even the shell of a great instrument at Notre Dame, and trying to compare it to Midmer-Losh's 5550 is like comparing a cavalry sabre to a gatling gun. The only way in which they are similar is their category (weaponry), as is with St Ouen and Midmer-Losh 5550 (organs). Ouen does one thing, 5550 does another.
Cavaille-Coll is Cavaille-Coll, Yes St. Sulpice has the largest and probably the best French organ in the world but lets not forget that even Charles Marie Widor himself appraised the organ of St. Ouen. And now this organ is on its way to being at full functioning condition, that is as long as the ACCHOS have the continuous support needed but for now at least some of the organ is working again.
I agree, But we have to admit that compared to St. Sulpice the St. Ouen 32 reeds are unbelievably poweful and its recit devision is the largest built by Cavaille-coll.
Both true statements. In retrospect I think I've come to appreciate St. Ouen's instrument much more, since hearing the Symphony Gothique on it. Also, it seems that anything with 'Carillon' in its name sounds better played on St. Ouen.
Give the organ a break. With over 400 ranks, all out of tune, it would takes months to get it back. There are over 90 ranks of reeds, 128ranks of Mixtures. The Great, alone, has ten ranks of Diapasons. We only had three days to tune it. The 100 inch Ophicleide was not use on this Toccata.
exactly. AND... it doesn't currently have a working combination action, so can whoever made the rude comment about it playing full blast on one stop combination all the time either put their money where their mouth is and help the poor organist change the stops, or go stand in the corner for a time-out!
If you want to know what works and what doesn't, it's best to read Stephen Smith's book "The Auditorium Organ". And if you want to hear AMERICAN music, you can hear that, too. Our CD (Emerson Richards Masterpiece) has Gershwin, plus others.
34045 and rybapan. Please take your conflict somewhere else. This is not the place for posting rude comments. Anyway, sure this organ is not sounding too hot right now thanks to allot of neglect for most of its existence. But I'm sure it's going to be a glorious wall of sound when its restored to full working order.
I agree. I'm tired of hearing that same old song. We are lucky to be able to hear this organ at all. Would the arguing amateurs prefer we tear out all the organs and devote out musical efforts to rap and hip-hop?
Wouldn't it be nice if the whole Toccata & Fugue was recorded on the emperor of all instruments? Its a shame that people were so careless with the organ!
Look for Robert Elmore's recording: "Bach on the Biggest." There you will find a recording of both the Toccata and the Fugue played sometime in the 1950s when a major portion of the organ was probably still functional. Cheers!
It's all very well trying to be a 'jack of all trades', but organ music is always best on instruments of the type for which the music was written; one cannot compete with Buxtehude or Bach on a Schnitger, or Franck or Vierne on a Cavaille: the results speak for themselves (just listen on YouTube for examples!). The Anglo-American organ can never compete on equal terms with European instruments playing their own repertoire! Regards, Paul :-)
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Good! Then let's play some AMERICAN music on the organ, and not any of that European stuff! (see, I can dish it out too!) by the way, do a little research on this organ... you might discover it has a little something called the "unenclosed choir" division that may interest you...
I do hope that this magnificent, if enormous, instrument gets it much needed refurbishment. It sounds a more than a bit out of tune doesn't it - - almost approaching the old ' mein ' tone of organs from the 1600's.
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This organ sounds awful!! Its loud, but the sound is ugly. Listen to a British Cathedral organ or the Moromon Taberncale organ. You will hear the differnce!
in the state its in, it doesnt sound great, but it will when everything is restored, and properly tuned. It really does need its combination action to make full use of it.
dont get me wrong, im sure it will sound loud when(if) its all rebuilt, but the amount of money involved is huge,even then , even with the size of building its in, it will be very loud, but maybe not a nice sound, nothing will ever beat the tone and warmth of a british built hill organ
Warmth of tone is certainly is a worthy trait, but pure, unadulterated power is quite another thing entirely.
Give a listen to "The Auditorium Organ" in the related list. The last chord features the legendary diaphonic "Grand Opheclide."
It still makes me cackle like a mad hen and I've probably listened to it 50 times by now. 'Course, a reed stop played at 100 inches of wind will tend to do that.
@Karlfalcon I think it wouldn't matter if this organ was only a fifth operational it has so much power. If they get it fully restored it will be one of the most amazing instruments on the planet, No doubt!
This organ must be made fully functional as soon as possible for the purpose of coastal protection! Sooner or later a tsunami will set course for the Jersey Shore. I'm sure that if this organ was played on full stops, The giant sound would fight and overpower the wave and spare Atlantic City.
jimamia77 3 weeks ago in playlist Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ
Why isn´t it complete? Want the full version please!
osmoon 3 months ago in playlist Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ
@osmoon Or just tell me where to buy the CD. I was hoping this was on itunes, but as expected it isn't.
osmoon 3 months ago in playlist Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ
pretty sloppy
opfa85 4 months ago
Daniel Roth would be so much fun, on this organ.
bfs1888 5 months ago
Organ>Guitar :)
synthwomanP5 8 months ago
The sheer power of this organ and all its registration put it in a category of its own.
Enough bickering this is a symphonic organ meaning it is ment to do the work of a whole orchestra in concert, it is a jack of all trades organ, even if its not like the old baroque organs of europe, the depth and athority of sound it has cannot be matched, true though it depends on the organ player ot make it work like a good conductor of an symphony. however just wait till the organ is finished.
manga12 1 year ago
@manga12 It will also speak with more authority and clarity now as the acoustics of the room are much clearer now than they were when this recording was made!
3dwurli 1 year ago
COLLISION SPEED
dynagravitomagnetic 1 year ago
This voices of this magnificent organ forces you to bow to it, the King of Kings.
TheCurtthehurt 1 year ago
Whether noble or ignoble the intentions of those who built, maintained, allowed to deteriorate or restore are or remain to be seen, this much is so. There is no equal to this great instrument, and it would be an unforgivable, irreconcilable loss to all of Music if this were lost to Time, as so many great instruments of its ilk have!
I have only two pieces I want to hear from it, upon its full restoration, one has already
been performed:
"Abide With Me"
Boellmann's "Gothic Suite"
DZL<3
dieselheart001 1 year ago
good god, that is one hell of an organ!
poopingeneral 1 year ago 2
Imagine Daniel Roth playing thhis unstrument & an american organist playing St Sulpice organ. Now a Questuion, How can we Compare EUROPEAN Organists & AMERICAN ones in their playiong Style ? I think they're different . For Exemple I've never seen american organist playing this piece like the European ones!!
nizaru100 1 year ago
I've often dreamed of playing Handle's Largo on the instrument. Perhaps in my next life.
itswagon 2 years ago
An impressive sound.
silverstartrucker 2 years ago 3
what's a high octane version ,,? Does not this toccata have anmiddle A as first note ? because I can Play the First minute on a Miditzer virtual organ on PC
nizaru100 2 years ago
means its fast
LeftiusMaximus 2 years ago
The organ is well underway to complete repair. 33,000 plus pipes playing in a hall that comfortably seats 44,000 people. It is the largest and loudest musical instrument in the world, bar none.
itswagon 2 years ago 6
If I could play the organ, I may fall off the stool reaching for some of the stops!
Matthewfawr 2 years ago
What a Godly instrument!!!
poopingeneral 2 years ago
I don't what is what, and which is which, but St. Ouen's has an insane Pipe Organ worthy of the Gods themselves.
poopingeneral 2 years ago
Can someone please give an update on the state of this organ - it does not appear to be played now, and requiring new magnets, relays reconnecting etc etc.
The achos site does not give much information.
Has it deteriorated since 1998? How many people work on it?
Hope to hear some good news.
sirenbleu 2 years ago
The organ is played during tours. Currently most of the right stage chamber is operational, although there are still dead notes, and it needs a good tuning.
449GO 2 years ago
siren the new magnets will allow the right stage chamber to be fully operational again. Work is being done on the blowers for the Left Stage Chamber; with hopes that it will be done by the time the new relay is installed
LeftiusMaximus 2 years ago
Correction on my last sentence *for the building*
advisorC101 2 years ago
Notre-Dame may be bigger but it does not in any way mean its better. That organ is just a shell of what it once was.
St. Ouen is rumored to be completely unaltered. Also, the building its in has much greater acoustics. Its 32 contre bombarde is the most powerful one in the world.
That's how Cavaille-Coll designed his organ's as well, the building.
advisorC101 2 years ago
I must say, the diapasons sound extraordinary
y11971alex 2 years ago 2
henry willis said the same thing! lol
449GO 2 years ago 2
Moron is the Welsh word for carrot.
and3583 3 years ago
And "sir" is russian word for "cheese" :)
Termonuclear111 3 years ago
I think this organ is magnificent, I hope it will be fully restored as soon as possible and I'm not claiming to be a great authority on the subject, but I do feel strongly that an organ being large is not necessarily crucial to its integrity. I have played several very big organs and many small ones, some of the small ones were wonderful, particularly a 2 manual Casavant in Ontario which was incredibly versatile.
and3583 3 years ago
I wish I could have been in the Auditorium when this was being performed. There could not exist a more perfect dual manifestation of sheer power and magnificence- Bach's crowning work of absolute music- the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, and the only organ divinely fit to interpret such a work with- the King of Kings-
the Midmer-Losh. Argue and debate what you may, your words are eternally wasted into ignorant silence according to me. Even in its
present state it speaks the Authority of God.
dieselheart001 3 years ago 7
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Just remember: S Ouen, Rouen, France, runs rings round this thing: and with only 64 stops and 4 manuals... (Oh yes - the acoustic's not bad either lolol)
marsvltor2 3 years ago
Yes, I've heard the Cavaillè-Coll, but remember that this one must fill with sounds a theater large as a football stadium, and at the time the recording was made it was operative only one of the six sections.
Renatodonadio 3 years ago
...you, sir, are a moron. The Cavaille-Coll organ in St Ouen is largely outclassed by St Sulpice and even what's left at Notre Dame, but this is meant to do something much different, and indeed it could vibrate any one of the three organs mentioned above off of their respective foundations.
willowthebored 3 years ago 3
When all else fails, revert to insults... have very educated (!)...
marsvltor2 3 years ago
I trust my education can allow me to tell a snob when I see one. All the instruments mentioned are excellent examples of their class, but St Ouen is outclassed by St Sulpice and even the shell of a great instrument at Notre Dame, and trying to compare it to Midmer-Losh's 5550 is like comparing a cavalry sabre to a gatling gun. The only way in which they are similar is their category (weaponry), as is with St Ouen and Midmer-Losh 5550 (organs). Ouen does one thing, 5550 does another.
willowthebored 3 years ago
And on that note, St Sulpice does its job better. :)
willowthebored 3 years ago
Cavaille-Coll is Cavaille-Coll, Yes St. Sulpice has the largest and probably the best French organ in the world but lets not forget that even Charles Marie Widor himself appraised the organ of St. Ouen. And now this organ is on its way to being at full functioning condition, that is as long as the ACCHOS have the continuous support needed but for now at least some of the organ is working again.
advisorC101 3 years ago
I agree, But we have to admit that compared to St. Sulpice the St. Ouen 32 reeds are unbelievably poweful and its recit devision is the largest built by Cavaille-coll.
advisorC101 2 years ago
Both true statements. In retrospect I think I've come to appreciate St. Ouen's instrument much more, since hearing the Symphony Gothique on it. Also, it seems that anything with 'Carillon' in its name sounds better played on St. Ouen.
willowthebored 2 years ago
Think Ben van Oosten. ;p
advisorC101 2 years ago
Exactly XD
willowthebored 2 years ago
Give the organ a break. With over 400 ranks, all out of tune, it would takes months to get it back. There are over 90 ranks of reeds, 128ranks of Mixtures. The Great, alone, has ten ranks of Diapasons. We only had three days to tune it. The 100 inch Ophicleide was not use on this Toccata.
tubamaxima 3 years ago 6
exactly. AND... it doesn't currently have a working combination action, so can whoever made the rude comment about it playing full blast on one stop combination all the time either put their money where their mouth is and help the poor organist change the stops, or go stand in the corner for a time-out!
KawhackitaRag 3 years ago
If you want to know what works and what doesn't, it's best to read Stephen Smith's book "The Auditorium Organ". And if you want to hear AMERICAN music, you can hear that, too. Our CD (Emerson Richards Masterpiece) has Gershwin, plus others.
wildfire4277 3 years ago
34045 and rybapan. Please take your conflict somewhere else. This is not the place for posting rude comments. Anyway, sure this organ is not sounding too hot right now thanks to allot of neglect for most of its existence. But I'm sure it's going to be a glorious wall of sound when its restored to full working order.
theblackhand2 3 years ago 14
I agree. I'm tired of hearing that same old song. We are lucky to be able to hear this organ at all. Would the arguing amateurs prefer we tear out all the organs and devote out musical efforts to rap and hip-hop?
caliopterix 3 years ago 4
I would like to know what i can do to help restore the organ so that I can one day play the entire toccata on it.
mortson978 3 years ago 2
Google search "Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society" and head to their website. They will have information on how to contribute.
theblackhand2 3 years ago
Wouldn't it be nice if the whole Toccata & Fugue was recorded on the emperor of all instruments? Its a shame that people were so careless with the organ!
advisorC101 3 years ago
absolutely. It is a travesty that an instrument of such grandeur should be reduced to a state of disrepair for so long.
mortson978 3 years ago 7
Look for Robert Elmore's recording: "Bach on the Biggest." There you will find a recording of both the Toccata and the Fugue played sometime in the 1950s when a major portion of the organ was probably still functional. Cheers!
tomtolibi 2 years ago
I have seen it but I have no money. Sadly.
advisorC101 2 years ago
having heard some of the recordings from the 50's this does sound hollow
LeftiusMaximus 2 years ago
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34045 you are stupid bitch. British can suck dick for this organ. It's very beatfull sound.
And you must now this organ must have a reconstruction or renovation then sound will be the best.
rybapan 3 years ago
It's all very well trying to be a 'jack of all trades', but organ music is always best on instruments of the type for which the music was written; one cannot compete with Buxtehude or Bach on a Schnitger, or Franck or Vierne on a Cavaille: the results speak for themselves (just listen on YouTube for examples!). The Anglo-American organ can never compete on equal terms with European instruments playing their own repertoire! Regards, Paul :-)
marsvltor2 3 years ago
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Good! Then let's play some AMERICAN music on the organ, and not any of that European stuff! (see, I can dish it out too!) by the way, do a little research on this organ... you might discover it has a little something called the "unenclosed choir" division that may interest you...
KawhackitaRag 3 years ago
I do hope that this magnificent, if enormous, instrument gets it much needed refurbishment. It sounds a more than a bit out of tune doesn't it - - almost approaching the old ' mein ' tone of organs from the 1600's.
skyler6290 3 years ago
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This organ sounds awful!! Its loud, but the sound is ugly. Listen to a British Cathedral organ or the Moromon Taberncale organ. You will hear the differnce!
34045 3 years ago
in the state its in, it doesnt sound great, but it will when everything is restored, and properly tuned. It really does need its combination action to make full use of it.
acchos 3 years ago
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i agree totally, a lovely willis or aven better a hill pipe organ sounds much better than this, it just doesnt sound right
iamthegaffa 3 years ago
Give it some slack, the poor thing is only a quarter-operational.
Karlfalcon 3 years ago 12
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dont get me wrong, im sure it will sound loud when(if) its all rebuilt, but the amount of money involved is huge,even then , even with the size of building its in, it will be very loud, but maybe not a nice sound, nothing will ever beat the tone and warmth of a british built hill organ
iamthegaffa 3 years ago
Warmth of tone is certainly is a worthy trait, but pure, unadulterated power is quite another thing entirely.
Give a listen to "The Auditorium Organ" in the related list. The last chord features the legendary diaphonic "Grand Opheclide."
It still makes me cackle like a mad hen and I've probably listened to it 50 times by now. 'Course, a reed stop played at 100 inches of wind will tend to do that.
Karlfalcon 3 years ago 6
@Karlfalcon I think it wouldn't matter if this organ was only a fifth operational it has so much power. If they get it fully restored it will be one of the most amazing instruments on the planet, No doubt!
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y11971alex 2 years ago
This is the high octane version too! Excellent!
Patriot1776 3 years ago
Awesome! I hope the organ gets fully restored.
accousticdecay 3 years ago
Is this Robert Elmore's "Bach on the Biggest"?
Branchporter 3 years ago
Antoni Scott
kicha15fizis 3 years ago
Robert Elmores version is like thunder compared to this!!!
acchos 3 years ago
@Branchporter No.
rrhynes 1 year ago