WhiteRa vs Morrow - Game 4 - PvZ - SCRi - StarCraft 2 - Reddit Invitational

[sincoliveapb]

when is morrow gona learn ....

[DominiqueDespoix]

WhiterRa is soooo good, he actually makes Protoss look imba but this build is really hard to pull off... If it fails it is game over but he attacked just before Morrows expo kicked in and also microed perfectly and constantly kept reinforcing his army, also he never over comited himself: AMAZING!

[Wintran]

Damn, that's a good timing attack by WhiteRa. Feels like he's exploiting a weakness in Morrow's build. Probably using the fact that Morrow expanded early, but not early enough to have gotten an advantage from it at the time of the attack. Besides, WhiteRa's unit placement and FF usage in this match was superb.

[umadbrow]

@brainstem46

Why is terran so IMBA?

[AwesomenessVidStudio]

Why does everyone whine about marine/marauder micro vs. Zerg? Just surround them with roaches on the creep and bane rain.

[theshoe124]

Never can you, in SCII or RL, kill rocks.

[bood3e]

Fuck yeah, 600 dollars to charity, thats like sticking it up your ass

[mywereldza]

I do not know if this has been mentioned before, but why not switch to another ISP?

I would never take so much nonsense from an ISP.

[12acharlie]

I love you husky, but its its pronouced 'reek havoc' and 'catch up,' not 'wreck havoc' and 'ketchup.'

[henry161928]

5:20 MOVING SMILEY FACE KEKEKE

[Maxpow33r]

whitera didnt wall in but would u need to wall in as protoss against other toss/zerg in lower level leagues?

[vampuricknight1]

@Maxpow33r if you watch the video again WhiteRa did wall in at first however after playing 3 games against morrow its pretty obvious that morrows style is slow but steady so if WhiteRa is ultra aggro then it forces the Zerg on the defense which then weakens any potential offensive counter attack... when your dealing with a pro like WhiteRA chances are he knows exactly what your about to do before you even do it considering how many 1,000's of hours he's spent on both Starcraft and Starcraft 2.

[vampuricknight1]

@Maxpow33r PS. on this map as a protoss i would wall in early game mid game go for a double expansion and rely on a few fliers to help with map control... against zerg in paticular i would suggest a early/mid game rush unless they go banelings

[taubaibai]

Husky do you participate in the youtube partnerprogramm?

[dadoomed]

LOL." as long as you keep the zealots on the zerglings rather than the stalkers then you should be ok..."

[rattslayer]

New patch notes "All armored units burst Forcefields when playing against players named WhiteRa"

[Oreoclan]

@rattslayer Good thing his name is DuckloadRa then.

[dadoomed]

Lol. "As long as you keep the zealots on the zerglings rather than the stalkers"

[Tekami]

Quackloadraaaaaa

[ankan2k4]

Need moar forcefields! Meh.

[jediknight73]

duckload lolz

[westernbaconburger]

Only reason the 5 gate worked is because WhiteRa knew he could abuse the forcefields on the ramp on this map. It's really one sided that way, he could attack the rocks then forcefield the main ramp once units try to transfer over and kill the xpansion. Just a protoss map.

[Sodar89]

@westernbaconburger Well if it's a standard tournament then Morrows fault for choosing it.

Also 9:30 - THE MOST AWESOME PLACED FF. EVER.

[OnlineGamer645]

@Sodar89 i dont understand how he can place 2 forcefields at the same time

[MustachioMedia]

@OnlineGamer645 A little sleight of hand

[KingOfEcchi]

@OnlineGamer645

Hotkey F~ =P

[KalasReid]

@OnlineGamer645 Just hold shift then push f and click where you want to use the forcefields. instead of f+click f+click

[Taigia527]

Husky, do you still go to school?

[Ofotige]

nothing new here folks, protoss were owning zerg since day1 and trend continues in this superbly "balanced" game.

[TheBurtily]

@Ofotige never heard something more rediculous before, maan.

[willypataponk]

@Ofotige bullshit

[DamianTheFarmer]

WTF ...so you can chrono boost a gate to make cooldown quicker????

[darkomen1290]

@DamianTheFarmer yah... toss and terran both have way imbalanced things compared to zerg. as a 'random' player, i see the balances firsthand. zerg needs to be buffed a bit IMHO

[electronicrya]

Oh look, it's a 1 base all in against zerg.

[Secturis]

@electronicrya It's a 5 gate against a zerg that is telegraphing a macro heavy build so hard even Samuel Morse knows what he's doing. If MorroW would change up his build and do something more aggressive then he wouldn't get stomped so hard.

[DebianBinaryCD2]

was watching this when suddenly, around 2:00 , everything crashed, probably because of set7.tmp.

I miss Linux :(

ps: Husky you PWN!

[KostadinovAl]

Idra vs Jinro

GomTV or Go to Justin TV its there as well

[BreeanStarcraft]

tired of this fucking 4gate and 5gate shit.

god dommit whote ro

[xPloSiVgT]

love white-ra's heavy gateway builds

[wXlightning]

"whitera makes protoss looks UBER IMBA"

That's because it is, at least compared to zerg.

[MiniDonbeE]

Mc makes prottoss look even more imba....... tbh toss is a really complicated race to play :S.... if u got 2 many stalkers u lose.. 2 many zealots u lose.. 2 m any sentries u lose xD... example... if ur up against another toss and u get a lot of zealots and he goes sentrie /stalkers.. ur sooo screwed xD if u go stalkers vs terran.. and he has mass marauders ur screwed :S ..... it just u only have 3 units u can make at the start.. terran has like 20 -.- and zerg at the start has 2 :S

[Ataro104]

as a zerg player, I can honestly say a well timed 4 gate is the hardest protoss opening for me. its rock/paper/scissors- if I macro just a bit too hard, it overwhelms me by the second wave. if I build plenty of units, protoss just expands and holds it with a bunch of forcefields :(

[umadbrow]

Why is Terran so IMBA?

[FreshSqueezedLoyalty]

@umadbrow

Why are you bringing up Terran in a PvZ video?

[umadbrow]

@FreshSqueezedLoyalty

It's because Terran is so IMBA that even in PVZ matches you can still feel their IMBAness

[brainstem46]

@umadbrow i am so sick of zerg players complaining about a fucking video game. You don't hear this type of shit in other gaming communities. Every time a zerg loses a game, zerg players complain no matter what happened in the match. Tier lists rarely if ever matter. The match ups are between the skill of the players. People who bitch and moan would be laughed at in the fighting, fps, and sports game communities.

[209Beefcake209]

@brainstem46 Yeah, but in different genres of games, there is no balance issue.

Everything is equal, and its just the skill of the players.

[brainstem46]

@209Beefcake209 perhaps not in fps as much but in sports and fighting oh yes there is.

[MasterChief4781]

@brainstem46 That's a bit of a generalization though.

[kaworu1120]

so all these series games are 4 gate rape show =3=

[jecnunez]

Just rename this whole series "Zerg vs. Force field".

[Linkfanoftheyear]

@jecnunez we could rename EVERY zvp that haha :P excellent comment my friend

[iloverikku714]

whitera is so sneaky atk the rock half way and run back forcefield the ramp.

[Nolansan]

whitera has played this entire series like a huge bitch

[Potts132]

@Nolansan Using a strat that worked?

"If it's annoying, it probably works" - Day[9]

[Nolansan]

@Potts132 everyone knows 4-5 gate works but its cheesy and all-inish. know what's not cheesy and all-inish and works? 3 gate expand and FFE or 2 gate stargate fe

[Potts132]

@Nolansan 4-5 gate works well against Zerg, as do shields cause it stops the numerical advantage Zerg depends on. Its just a good idea

[MrMinkala]

I flagged this video for sexual content. Marrow did get raped after all.

[xSteelCatx]

WOW Epic juke from 05:12 to 05:50 !

[BenderUnit22x]

Until zerg units get some abilities, I don't think there's much you can do other than trying to win fast and keep the other races' economy down with harass. The most basic units get useful abilities like charge, blink, stim, concussive shells etc - zerg units get to move faster.

Also, it would be interesting to make warp in more expensive or take longer, if the matrix of the pylons is not connected to a nexus. In order to avoid a penalty, you'd have to build a line of pylons to the enemy base.

[Matteasy7]

Force field is imba.

[GoldenZealot21]

@Matteasy7

Buff Stalkers and Zealots to be half-decent, and you can nerf FF. Deal noob? :)

[Matteasy7]

@GoldenZealot21 FF should just be taken out all together. It wouldnt matter if i was maxed out all you need is a few good force fields and you split my army in half and im done.

[GoldenZealot21]

@Matteasy7

Oh, you want to cry about it that much? Okay, give Stalkers 20 damage vs. Armored, no attack animation delay before firing so they can actually kite, revert Zealots to 60 shields, and give them base 2.6 speed, and you can remove FF. Happy? :D

[Sosodeflol]

Nice stuff

[activ04]

So fckng gosu o_o bait zerg to go inside main base. . .don't completely destroy rocks. . .trap zerg inside base with ff. . .take out expo without defense:D

[EdiciusMai]

@activ04 I've never seen that tactic to be used before, but it worked great!

[activ04]

Yezzir:)) hmmm. . .i'm wondering which other maps you can do a similar tactic on. . .sadly this is the only one i can think about.:(

[BIGRICHARD69]

you know reddit is all about karma

[BAXTSPRCHRGD]

WhiteRa vs Huk = Ultimate Battle?

[dkzmoeffe]

1. Go into Google translate

2. Set the translate to german to german

3. Insert this: zk pv pv zk pv zk kz zk pv pv pv zk pv zk zk pzk pzk pvzkpkzvpvzk kkkkkk bsch

4. Listen to google translate BEATBOX! :D

[Sathyru7]

@treblez88 best comment evah xD

[TheDavidAntoni]

@treblez88 Or just don't scroll down..

[compri]

@treblez88 haha south park

[reformCopyright]

@treblez88 I think you can strike step 3 there. Instant profit!

[Haggi]

@treblez88 Or you can just read the comments after the game!

[bugshirt4]

@treblez88 oooor get some self control and don't read comments if you don't wanna know who wins XD you're being to soft on em!

[legendin2]

@treblez88 fail meme is fail

[hesitation24]

@treblez88 I accidentally created a black hole in my room when I tried to follow step 3. Seriously, wtf??!

[Baleur]

@treblez88 Homosexuals usually cry about spoilers ? I did not know that, the more you know.. thank you :)

[fullmetalgridlock]

whitera makes protoss looks UBER IMBA

[megamindstorm101]

@fullmetalgridlock force fields are the most imba thing when done right

they literally let you do NOTHING when you fight its a solid wall that can be placed where ou want...aka imba.

[MaxFlared]

@megamindstorm101 thats why you back off lol its a counter to ffs

[megamindstorm101]

@MaxFlared idk still then they steal your army a little bit at a time the only true counter to ffs are ultras or any other giant unit. burrowed roaches can be alright if done correctly. I dont know thatsjust my weakness is FFs i never handle it right.

[MaxFlared]

@megamindstorm101 come on ffs arent op there are so much strategies the first one is never to engage protoss with sentrys on a choke.second you can use infestors to fungle growth on toss to prevent surround to your units.if those dont work than mix a few mutas with burrowed roaches.the thing is if your positioning is dominant no number of force fields can change that. if you're in a narrow position ffs seem op.in fact i think ffs is really underused in ladders. calling them op is a overstatement

[megamindstorm101]

@MaxFlared I was joking when i said it was OP but it is true that for some reason no matter what I do FFs kill me every time. Well almost.

[BeyondHumanLimits]

fuck your spoiler thumb DOWN

[TheTbgb]

Ok, dont thumbs up the spoilers ffs

[SilverHandGaming]

The Only Thing OP is Ra

[EdiciusMai]

@SilverHandGaming Well probably. Ra means God, so that's kinda OP.

[360funny]

since when did the comment section become a place for people to just bitch and whine about a game and not actually talk about the video.

[Ashitaka255]

Gaddamnit Husky! Your voice so high pitched at the start.

[CptCarnivorous]

forcefields are not OP. WhiteRa is OP.

[MrYousafBajwa]

@Enots5987 who the hell actually does that

[vcspider001]

@Enots5987 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Good one!

[Manuel31211]

@Enots5987 How did you find this out?

[EdiciusMai]

@Manuel31211 Someone had a lot of spare time, and then millions of people copy paste it on youtube to get thumbs up.

[mrtmat]

Does he ever do anything but 4 gate?

[operations1000]

@mrtmat Yes, 5 gate :P

[severus10003]

@tuestresfat would have loved to see the IdrA rages lol

[iCantSay]

@tuestresfat that is a great idea i would love to see this, i hope husky sees your comment

[alahad]

@tuestresfat thanks for the spoiler!! i hate you!!!! XD

[CreepyKillerNL]

@tuestresfat You know our brains automatically read stuff right? That spoiler alert you put there is useless so close to the score....

[iamtheasianjamesbond]

@tuestresfat nice spoiler faggot

[Flandersir]

@tuestresfat Where can i find it?

[4000marco]

@tuestresfat thanks for spoiling it..

[allaricdeschain]

@tuestresfat where can we find that?

[TheNewDemoman]

@tuestresfat Spoiler ass



[Bravenite4]

@tuestresfat

sigh. Good job retard.

[fire44it]

@tuestresfat As long is idra loses i'm watching it.

[tuestresfat]

Ok sorry Husky I love you and everything but you freaken failed at commentating this game >_>

[aclock2]

After watching this match, I decided: Terran is OP.

[SJDVeteran]

SPOILER---------SPOILER-------­-----SPOILER------------------­------------------------------

shoulda gone one base muta ling, I would have lost even more miserably and I also would have gone fatchery (fast hatch=fatch) ,if morrow would have successfully gone one base muta ling he might have taken that win.

[tuestresfat]

@SJDVeteran wow what league are you in there is no such thing as one base muta ling.

[ZestyLimez]

Is Morrow retarded? He's lost so much to the same build.

[aclock2]

@ZestyLimez It's not about the build. If you go against an opponent who has much better skills, you are likely going to lose no matter which build you choose.

[MrHuruk]

WhiteRa actually tricking Morrow into defending the back entrance, and then force fielding the ramp to have some calm time taking care of the expansion. That was brilliant.

[rhinowalsh]

"four gate not usually effective"

- four gate Fs me every time.

[ElvenNoble]

@rhinowalsh LOL, yeah. I almost feel sorry for Morrow, getting roflstomped this badly.

[axboy11]

-_- Zerg reminds me of idra

[bta1987]

how many probes is enough for a 5-gate rush?

[diejudensindbose]

@bta1987 18+ probes is necessary.

[diejudensindbose]

@bta1987 18+ probes is necessary w/ an xpan

[tuestresfat]

@diejudensindbose lmao 18 probes doesn't even saturate one base to pump 4gate and you think it can support a 5gate? oh and nice, an expand while you're going an all in build and not getting enough probes to saturate either base. genius.

[Jrim615]

lol in the begining i wasnt really paying attention so when he threw down the gateway at the front i was like BWAH that was like a 27 gate way

[nitoncogi]

dont understand y Morrow moves his overlord away from the backdoor rocks and leaves his whole army at the main cO, if he would have had the view with the overlord, this situation wouldn't have happened :( ... bad trade 100 minerals 4 an Overlord (in case of killed) for an expansion ... vision third resource in Starcraft ...

[etiendre]

FORCEFIELD IS OP!

[cael87]

@etiendre yeah, pretty much is. I know it's 'hard to do' but on these pro-level games you see it start to make Protoss basically the strongest race by a long shot due to being able to deny troop movement at will.

[tuestresfat]

@cael87 keep crying, it won't change.  just learn to deal with it.

[cael87]

@tuestresfat Oh I don't give a care about it really, since it doesn't effect PvP all that much, but when a mechanic is broken at Pro-level it only shows what will happen down the road for everyone else, and although it takes some skill to knock em off quick in open area FFs in chokes and on ramps is child's play.

[youtheshoe]

@etiendre I was just going to type that, thank you

[LlLstevie]

@youtheshoe

but dont u love the noobs who dont use the sentry abilities properly? :D

[gklimo]

@etiendre noob the only thing OP is me!

[DarkStarter1]

@etiendre but it takes skills to use them

[heraxella]

@etiendre lol no shit. reminds me of smoke bomb/ring of frost in wow.

[vglcat]

@Mr.Marson123456 that's a gross exaggeration imo >.<

[llama3aterr]

he loses to 4-gate almost every single time, if he just put up 2 spine crawlers at the front of his base he'd be fine with some lings and even a couple roaches...........i know hes pro and all but whitera has been 4-gating every single game and he just doesnt learn.........

[TheFavorite95]

its so frusturating to see amazing zerg players lose to forcefield

[tuestresfat]

@TheFavorite95 so you don't mind seeing terran dominate every match with one unit?

[4n7H0r]

Husky's fav phrase: "it's not a good situation to be in" nearly every game at least once :)

[blueranger614]

@songbowtim I think the frustrating thing is that Terran's successful strategies rarely require the same game sense, alertness, and micro because of the versatility of their basic units. Terran players always tell me to place better force fields, which requires quickness and care and can lead to a costly mistake, while they just attack move their ball. While the GSL winners are three non-terrans, 8 of the 12 medalists are terrans.

[MatthiasYoung]

I think if I was a unit in this replay he would have won.

[HypnotiKSykotiK]

@Billiards4Ever actually, i was sticking up for those that were impatient. i repeatedly pressed F5 until 720p became available.

[xxkrismagus777xx]

PLEASE THUMBS UP THIS VIDEO. IT PAYS HUSKY.

[blazingops]

911 likes

[goombatroop]

what ever happened to doing casts with hd?

[aronAramirez]

single muslims... comming from husky...

[TheWinterNights]

Good game. That's how you PvZ, pressure before you get macro-rolled. All those people shi* talking and suggesting WhiteRa is winning because of an race advantage, rather than skill, go try doing what he does against a good zerg. This game is pretty much balanced.

[Gizmodio92]

Fucking OP force fields -.-

[MrMarson123456]

@Gizmodio92 have you tried to use force feilds. its not easy

[cwbera]

or juego numero cuatro... u husky fuck

[TheToastyToastt]

If you want forcefields nerfed, then let us attack your large units with AA... Sound good?

[iSwimmer]

@TheToastyToastt Alright, give us some useful large units then!

[tuestresfat]

@iSwimmer this is why blizzard doesn't pay attention to bronze players when trying to balance the game.

[iSwimmer]

@tuestresfat too bad i'm in plat...check "Nerdles" but I beg to differ anyhow, there are definitely bronze players out there that know what they're talking about

[tuestresfat]

@iSwimmer there definitely aren't. besides you missed my point if you think you know what you're doing because you're in plat >_> to be a little more direct, plat is pretty bad.

[xxzhoutaixx]

@iSwimmer lol plat you're so good oh man

[mostevilSC]

without forcefields protoss would die every time against all but the very worst players.

[Kniga07]

@mostevilSC That's like saying that without zerglings zerg would die every time against all but the very worst players.

[tuestresfat]

@Kniga07 i think you completely missed his point.

[iceakon]

force fields are overpowered, they need to make somthing which lets you counter them in the early game like actually making them attackable. would be much more fair

[AtomicBlizzard12]

@iceakon the attackable has been a thing on the forums for a while

[TheToastyToastt]

@iceakon Forcefields can be countered with clever macro and and are only useful in the early game really... If theyre giving you so much trouble, you really need to l2p.