Im not attacking you in any way, and im sorry for the loss of your family, but we both know what im trying to tell you, i too will have you in my thoughts, may jehovah be with you
when a jehovah's witness is doing something wrong it only affects that person, now if you know that someone is doing something wrong and you dont say anything about it to the elders, then its like you are being an accomplice to that person, its the same thing like when you kill someone in the real world and the police finds out you know and you dont say anything, then your going to jail also...but it does not affect the entire congregation only people envolved
@jmjw27101 being an accomplice to a murder is a few orders of magnitude different than simply becoming aware of a friend's petty sin's like smoking a cigarette. However, the Bible gives no no distinction between sins therefore, in the Jehovah's Witness world, being an accomplice to a cigarette smoker, by viewing it take place is equated with being an accomplice to murder. The logic is so absurd and the fact that it actually holds sway in any person is a deep mystery of the universe.
@exjwphilosophy nobody is forced to do anything or tell on anyone as we both know, you can decide to tell on them if you want but you dont have to, but everything has consenquences...I did not get disffelowshiped for smokiing or for any other sin that i got committed because as we both know anyone can be forgivin if they show the right attitude of repentness, I got diciplined for my attitude that I had towards everything I did, I just simply didnt care, but now I accept that
@jmjw27101 if you take a look at my profile picture you will see that I am not in any way miserable. I am grieving the loss of my family, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying life.
@jmjw27101 I was just offered a lead position in the industry that I work in. That is because even though I have been grieving I have been able to continue progressing in my life.
@jmjw27101 I find it sad that you feel you need to attack me personally when I show you the truth about your organization from their own pages. You are in my thoughts, farewell.
@jmjw27101 if I see my friend smoking a cigarette I would ask him why he feels he needed to start. It's his decision to do what he feels is best for him. However in the JW world I would be forced to expose his sin to the elders and force him to stop. This is not how friends treat each other. Friends don't blow things out of proportion like that. Friends stick it out with each other even if there are differences. If that doesn't happen it wasn't a real friendship to begin with.
Great video! I've been out of the religion for about 4 years now and I kinda forgot about some of those ideas they have. Really wacky stuff lol. Glad to see you are thinking outside the cage :) Takes a lot de-programing.
the Watchtower should be challenged legally for its achaic and out of touch reasoning, it promulgates and promotes religious intolerance in such it must be having such a negative effect on U.S foreign policy ,
it is considerd dangerous in Russia and France ,but most of all what bothers me it likes to use the principles of freedom the United States promotes but witholds these rights from others .
Whoever applied the case of Achan to a modern day congregation was making a huge mistake. God was forming a nation and government using Joshua & the 12tribes while it was under threat from enemies. The valuables were considered a resourse to be used in Israel's defense, so Achan was guilty of the equivalent of treason, & the chain of command made Joshua and the elders responsible. So Achan's execution was appropriate. It has no comparisson to some personal infraction by a modern day parishoner
Hey, don't be nervous making videos. Your youtube viewers aren't gonna dress up as smurfs, sneak into your room at night and possess you with a smurf-demon of incontinence... Well we might... But just for fun!
A very good and informative video. I didn't know the witnesses took that attitude regarding blood guilt. Now I know, so thanks. I liked the disclaimer at the front by the way (you're far too considerate).
One question. You've been out of the witnesses for about a year (that's a good thing).
@exjwphilosophy Well ... that's good because post Witnesses, many people give up on God altogether. I hope that you follow through with your belief and investigate the ins and outs of the Creator and why we are here.
@theBIBLETHUMPER83 Oh yes the preaching work.. I almost forgot about thit claim..
At Luke 4:43 Jesus was preaching "the good news of the Kingdom". Matt. 24:14 also speaks of preaching the "good news of the Kingdom". JW believe Matt. 24:14 is specifically refering to the ESTABLISHED Kingdom since 1914.....so what was Jesus preaching when he was preaching "the good news of the Kingdom nearly 2000 yrs ago?"
The preaching work? Oh, I almost forgot about this claim by Jw's. At Luke 4:43 Jesus was preaching "the good news of the Kingdom". Matt. 24:14 also speaks of preaching the "good news of the Kingdom". JW believe Matt. 24:14 is specifically refering to the ESTABLISHED Kingdom since 1914.....so what was Jesus preaching when he was preaching "the good news of the Kingdom nearly 2000 yrs ago?"
Thats right he was, and he trained his disciples to carry on his preaching work when he was gone, also he told us pray for the God kingdom, becaue clearly its not he here yet. Then he intstitued the lords evening meal 2000 years ago too, but we are instructed to continue doing this.
@theBIBLETHUMPER83 Oh yes, The Lords evening meal. Jehovahs Witnesses say every year at their memorial, that Jesus Christ expelled Judas before the passing of the bread and wine (New Covenant). Well let's look at what Luke says.. Luke 22:14-21.. did you notice what the BIBLE says at 21? To make this point more clearly, continue on and read 22;22-24
Did you notice the Apostles did not know of who Jesus was speaking about?
If Jesus had "REALLY" expelled Judas then Luke 22:23 makes no sense.
Thanks for sharing. You really hit the nail on the head with your points about how JWs are so consumed with holyness. They miss the whole point of the old Law. The old Law stressed holyness to make us aware of our sin and the need for a redeemer. Now that Christ has come we are finally able to be Holy, but it is not thru our works its only thru His blood. The old has passed away so that what is complete may bring us peace. I never had peace as a JW. Great job, looking forward to more!
Welcome! Your video reminded me of a talk our Circuit Overseer gave last year. He used the Achen account to show that if anyone in a household is an apsotate and the other members don't report him, then they too will be held accountable with disfellowshipping. He's the same wicked S.O.B. that constantly say's that disfellowshipping is merciful because those who are DFed really should be stoned. So Jehovah' is merciful.
@exjwphilosophy When I first read 1John 4:18 it opened my eyes up. I thought to myself "thats a relief". I was in constant fear of everyone. I feared the other members or reproof because I wasn't doing my best. I feared man more than I feared god. The organization is set up in such a manner that like you said breeds paranoia, gossip and just general dogmatic organizational proceeding.
@donaldsodav290 You're response is a nonsequitor. I am not arguing theism vs. atheism. I was talking about a subject I love with enthusiasm. If you are looking for others to agree on things for you you are not taking an independent route. How did you decide how an all powerful god would do things? Contradictions, they are everywhere in reality. Adults cope with them. ("Have angel greet me..") Im not in charge of angels yet, but your choices are your own responsibility. Twasn't
@LovingScrubbies Have angel greet me or a burning bush that talks or a sea that parts and I will believe and follow for the rest of my life. However a book is not enough evidence for a thinking person to accept blindly that all these things are real. The bible reads like a great novel, doesnt mean its real though. I think people do whatever they can to avoid the fact they are going to die. Death is what motivates religion, because it provides a veil that presents itself as an escape to reality.
Im not attacking you in any way, and im sorry for the loss of your family, but we both know what im trying to tell you, i too will have you in my thoughts, may jehovah be with you
jmjw27101 1 week ago
when a jehovah's witness is doing something wrong it only affects that person, now if you know that someone is doing something wrong and you dont say anything about it to the elders, then its like you are being an accomplice to that person, its the same thing like when you kill someone in the real world and the police finds out you know and you dont say anything, then your going to jail also...but it does not affect the entire congregation only people envolved
jmjw27101 1 week ago
@jmjw27101 being an accomplice to a murder is a few orders of magnitude different than simply becoming aware of a friend's petty sin's like smoking a cigarette. However, the Bible gives no no distinction between sins therefore, in the Jehovah's Witness world, being an accomplice to a cigarette smoker, by viewing it take place is equated with being an accomplice to murder. The logic is so absurd and the fact that it actually holds sway in any person is a deep mystery of the universe.
exjwphilosophy 1 week ago
@exjwphilosophy nobody is forced to do anything or tell on anyone as we both know, you can decide to tell on them if you want but you dont have to, but everything has consenquences...I did not get disffelowshiped for smokiing or for any other sin that i got committed because as we both know anyone can be forgivin if they show the right attitude of repentness, I got diciplined for my attitude that I had towards everything I did, I just simply didnt care, but now I accept that
jmjw27101 1 week ago
@exjwphilosophy continued: and i want to serve jehovah and be happy as I once was and not miserable all my life like you seem to be
jmjw27101 1 week ago
@jmjw27101 if you take a look at my profile picture you will see that I am not in any way miserable. I am grieving the loss of my family, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying life.
exjwphilosophy 1 week ago
@jmjw27101 I was just offered a lead position in the industry that I work in. That is because even though I have been grieving I have been able to continue progressing in my life.
exjwphilosophy 1 week ago
@jmjw27101 I find it sad that you feel you need to attack me personally when I show you the truth about your organization from their own pages. You are in my thoughts, farewell.
exjwphilosophy 1 week ago
@jmjw27101 if I see my friend smoking a cigarette I would ask him why he feels he needed to start. It's his decision to do what he feels is best for him. However in the JW world I would be forced to expose his sin to the elders and force him to stop. This is not how friends treat each other. Friends don't blow things out of proportion like that. Friends stick it out with each other even if there are differences. If that doesn't happen it wasn't a real friendship to begin with.
exjwphilosophy 1 week ago
Great video! I've been out of the religion for about 4 years now and I kinda forgot about some of those ideas they have. Really wacky stuff lol. Glad to see you are thinking outside the cage :) Takes a lot de-programing.
xoxDiamante 11 months ago
lol, ninja skills :p
therosewebbb 1 year ago
the Watchtower should be challenged legally for its achaic and out of touch reasoning, it promulgates and promotes religious intolerance in such it must be having such a negative effect on U.S foreign policy ,
it is considerd dangerous in Russia and France ,but most of all what bothers me it likes to use the principles of freedom the United States promotes but witholds these rights from others .
annointedEliakim 1 year ago
Welcome! Nice to see yet another face ready to speak out against the WT Society. Looking forward to future vids.
jbharla 1 year ago
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Philinspaces 1 year ago
Whoever applied the case of Achan to a modern day congregation was making a huge mistake. God was forming a nation and government using Joshua & the 12tribes while it was under threat from enemies. The valuables were considered a resourse to be used in Israel's defense, so Achan was guilty of the equivalent of treason, & the chain of command made Joshua and the elders responsible. So Achan's execution was appropriate. It has no comparisson to some personal infraction by a modern day parishoner
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
@LovingScrubbies
I don't see why the thing about the priests is an issue either for
the JW, OR for you here. Non-priests were no less "saved", so-to-speak,
than other Jews and israeiites. They had particular requirements and
functions. The point of the Law was that it is God who decides how to
approach him and not you nor I.
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
Hey, don't be nervous making videos. Your youtube viewers aren't gonna dress up as smurfs, sneak into your room at night and possess you with a smurf-demon of incontinence... Well we might... But just for fun!
Welcome to ex JW youtube
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
A very good and informative video. I didn't know the witnesses took that attitude regarding blood guilt. Now I know, so thanks. I liked the disclaimer at the front by the way (you're far too considerate).
One question. You've been out of the witnesses for about a year (that's a good thing).
But ... Do you still believe in God ?
Are you a practising Christian ?.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@ServiceProcess I believe in a Creator, and that Creator had a purpose when creating us. Other than that I have no firm spiritual beliefs.
exjwphilosophy 1 year ago
@exjwphilosophy Well ... that's good because post Witnesses, many people give up on God altogether. I hope that you follow through with your belief and investigate the ins and outs of the Creator and why we are here.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@ServiceProcess
JWs are the only practicing christians, because their only ones practicing the work that Jesus did.
theBIBLETHUMPER83 1 year ago
@theBIBLETHUMPER83 are you sure that Jw's are doing the "same" preaching work as Jesus?
1914watcher 1 year ago
@1914watcher
Their the only ones doing a preaching work PERIOD
theBIBLETHUMPER83 1 year ago
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@theBIBLETHUMPER83 Oh yes the preaching work.. I almost forgot about thit claim..
At Luke 4:43 Jesus was preaching "the good news of the Kingdom". Matt. 24:14 also speaks of preaching the "good news of the Kingdom". JW believe Matt. 24:14 is specifically refering to the ESTABLISHED Kingdom since 1914.....so what was Jesus preaching when he was preaching "the good news of the Kingdom nearly 2000 yrs ago?"
1914watcher 1 year ago
@theBIBLETHUMPER83
The preaching work? Oh, I almost forgot about this claim by Jw's. At Luke 4:43 Jesus was preaching "the good news of the Kingdom". Matt. 24:14 also speaks of preaching the "good news of the Kingdom". JW believe Matt. 24:14 is specifically refering to the ESTABLISHED Kingdom since 1914.....so what was Jesus preaching when he was preaching "the good news of the Kingdom nearly 2000 yrs ago?"
1914watcher 1 year ago
@1914watcher
Thats right he was, and he trained his disciples to carry on his preaching work when he was gone, also he told us pray for the God kingdom, becaue clearly its not he here yet. Then he intstitued the lords evening meal 2000 years ago too, but we are instructed to continue doing this.
Any other questions ?
theBIBLETHUMPER83 1 year ago
@theBIBLETHUMPER83 Oh yes, The Lords evening meal. Jehovahs Witnesses say every year at their memorial, that Jesus Christ expelled Judas before the passing of the bread and wine (New Covenant). Well let's look at what Luke says.. Luke 22:14-21.. did you notice what the BIBLE says at 21? To make this point more clearly, continue on and read 22;22-24
Did you notice the Apostles did not know of who Jesus was speaking about?
If Jesus had "REALLY" expelled Judas then Luke 22:23 makes no sense.
1914watcher 1 year ago
You are a welcome addition to the YT exjw community!
exjw44288 1 year ago
Welcome :) nice to meetcha
AirbrushMercenary 1 year ago
Great video! Looking forward to more!
Pookaliscious 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing. You really hit the nail on the head with your points about how JWs are so consumed with holyness. They miss the whole point of the old Law. The old Law stressed holyness to make us aware of our sin and the need for a redeemer. Now that Christ has come we are finally able to be Holy, but it is not thru our works its only thru His blood. The old has passed away so that what is complete may bring us peace. I never had peace as a JW. Great job, looking forward to more!
peaceintruth 1 year ago
Recall the reminders:
"You must be Holy because I am Holy, Jehovah your God has said."
"Do not become a sharer in the sins of others"
"Remember to keep your highlight pen ready for study!" Bible Study conductor!
Truthbookblues 1 year ago
awesome video... very sound reasoning. very valid points, and it's obvious you have experience being a jw. i'm looking forward to more vids.
4thefaithful 1 year ago
Welcome! Your video reminded me of a talk our Circuit Overseer gave last year. He used the Achen account to show that if anyone in a household is an apsotate and the other members don't report him, then they too will be held accountable with disfellowshipping. He's the same wicked S.O.B. that constantly say's that disfellowshipping is merciful because those who are DFed really should be stoned. So Jehovah' is merciful.
PrintedTruth 1 year ago
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donaldsodav290 1 year ago
@donaldsodav290 Wow, that is a very pertinent scripture, thank you for pointing it out.
exjwphilosophy 1 year ago
@exjwphilosophy When I first read 1John 4:18 it opened my eyes up. I thought to myself "thats a relief". I was in constant fear of everyone. I feared the other members or reproof because I wasn't doing my best. I feared man more than I feared god. The organization is set up in such a manner that like you said breeds paranoia, gossip and just general dogmatic organizational proceeding.
donaldsodav290 1 year ago
@exjwphilosophy Are you an ex-jw yourself?
donaldsodav290 1 year ago
@donaldsodav290 Yes, been out for a little over a year.
exjwphilosophy 1 year ago
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donaldsodav290 1 year ago
@donaldsodav290
And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God want of you? Only to FEAR the Lord your God, to go in all His ways and to LOVE Him - Deut10
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
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donaldsodav290 1 year ago
@donaldsodav290
Do not despair. Contradiction is not the same thing as
incompatibility. You just need to stduy the Bible more seriously.
Life has contradictions but we deal with them without throwing
away our life. It would be irrational to dismiss the Bible for it.
Interestingly you are supposed to wrestle. Israel means he who
wrestles with God.
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
@donaldsodav290
Incidentally, consider Proverbs where it says(paraphrasing)
Let anger alone and leave rage--Don't get angry right?
Then next it says Be angry but do not sin.
That's a contradiction too isn't it? But if you understand it
it makes good sense.
Grasp that the Bible is an oriental book by an oriental culture
conveyed principlely in an oriental language.
The poets are similar to sen koans sometimes which are
full of contradiction. That is to train us to think outside the box
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
@donaldsodav290
---and if you look at it with a pagan (western greco-roman) mindset you will muck it all up.
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
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donaldsodav290 1 year ago
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
@LovingScrubbies
Twasn't I who quoted John, it was u and I responded.
I didn't come to fight. Your demanding attitude takes
me aback. It impresses me as ironic ppl who are most
resistent to knowing something about the bible are the most
demanding for others to do the proof work for them.
Have a nice day.
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
@LovingScrubbies Have angel greet me or a burning bush that talks or a sea that parts and I will believe and follow for the rest of my life. However a book is not enough evidence for a thinking person to accept blindly that all these things are real. The bible reads like a great novel, doesnt mean its real though. I think people do whatever they can to avoid the fact they are going to die. Death is what motivates religion, because it provides a veil that presents itself as an escape to reality.
donaldsodav290 1 year ago