Evangelism in Israel (www.oneforisrael.org)

[knightsofstjoan2004]

The faith of the Messianic Jews is the Judaism of the Bible (Biblical Judaism) and is centered on the Messiah and the salvation He brings, and they don't have to go through the Sages or the Rabbis to know God. They have access to God because of the great atoning work of Yeshua HaMashiach, Israel's Chief Rabbi, who has fulfilled them as Jewish Believers and fulfilled Judaism itself.

[szewz]

Messianic Jews are not Christians for the simple fact that both Yeshua, as the talmidim and all the writings of the New Testament were Jews.

We expected a Messiah not Christians, and the Messiah is Yeshua

[israelmedia1]

amazing video!

[trinket01]

This video made me so happy! I'm a Sefardi Messianic Jew and sometimes it feels so lonely.... so glad to see my Jewish family is growing in believers of Yeshua. Shalom!!! :)

[szewz]

The problem are those who say that we "become" another religion, Christianity, and that's not true because we know Yeshua completed as Jews.

Being Messianic Jew is not the same as being Baptist or evangelical, we have a responsibility to our people Israel, and telling us "Christians" do not help at all.

1 Corinthians 9:20

[szewz]

I suggest changing the title "Israeli evangelim christians" by Israeli followers of Yeshua, as we really are Messianic Jews, so we can give better testimony to our people here in Israel.

We do not become Christians we become the Lord, we complete ourselves as Jews through YESHUA

[eitanb3]

True, but "Messianic Jews" in Israel means something else than it is in the world.

In any case, not everyone in the video is Jewish, and "Christian" comes from the word "follower of Christ", just like משיחיים.

So yes, we are Messianic Jews, but not what people from "outside" might think...

[LoraSinger]

@szewz Messianic Christians are Christians who were born into a Jewish family, still part of the family - just not the same religon any more.

[szewz]

@LoraSinger Messianic Jews are not Christians for the simple fact that both Yeshua, as the talmidim and all the writings of the New Testament were Jews.

We expected a Messiah not Christians, and the Messiah is Yeshua

[LoraSinger]

@szewz - If "messianic Jews" believe in a divine Jesus or that Jesus was God, they are Christians. Christians who are messian Jews, are still Christians. Jews who convert to become "messianic Jews" are simply those who were born into a Jewish family and have converted to Christianity. A belief in Jesus is not Jewish. You can be born a Jew and then become a Jewish Catholic, a Jewish mormon, or anything else, but you are no longer a follower of Judaism.

[szewz]

@LoraSinger Not so, a Jew who believes in Yeshua, it still becomes a Jew, but complete in Yeshua.

Being Jewish does not mean being religious

There are Jews, Marxists, socialists, atheists, liberals and they are still Jews.

Messianic Jews do not cease to be Jews, (here in Israel) live as Jews, as the vast majority of the Jews of Israel.

[LoraSinger]

@szewz -, a Jew who believes in Yeshua, it still becomes a Jew, but complete in Yeshua."

A Jew who believes in the god-man Jesus becomes a Christian of Jewish (noun) extraction. He is not practicing Judaism. They may live as Jews but their belief separates them from Judaism and makes them Christians, probably converted by stealth Christian missionaries sponsored by the Southern Baptist Christians in the USA.

[LoraSinger]

@LoraSinger 2) You could say that that person was born into a Jewish family but has converted to Christianity. The bottom line is what you believe. If you believe the Christian story, you are a Christian. If you believe in one indivisible God who is without form, with a totally human messiah, a leader/ king - yet to come, and you practice the religion of your Jewish forefathers, you are a Jew.

[szewz]

@LoraSinger A Jew who believes in Yeshua as their Messiah is not converted, is completed as a Jew because Yeshua is Jewish.

Who want to practice Judaism? that of religious Jews who burn flags of Israel, or who prefer to fight for graves of dead Philistines, instead of fighting for the Jews living? who do not accept other Jews and to the reformist or conservative. My one I became Yeshua, I just read the Tanach come to the conclusion that Yeshua is the Messiah

[LoraSinger]

@szewz - A Jew who believes in Jesus as a God is a Christian who happens to have been born into a Jewish family. He is no longer practicing Judaism. You must also remember that Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew. He was not preaching a new religion, that of Christianity. Paul invented that.

Who would want to practice Judaism? The Jews would like to, very much - without Christian interference or prosyletizing in stealthy attempts to convert them to Christianity.

[LoraSinger]

@LoraSinger Reading the Tanakh alone isn't going to do it for you. You must also be familiar with the accompaning books which are ages old that were written to explain those same scriptures, just as Christians have a concordance to explain theirs. There were certain tasks, according to their prophecies, that the FULLY HUMAN messiah was to have carried out IN HIS LIFETIME. Jesus failed to do so and was dismissed from being the awaited messiah.

[szewz]

@LoraSinger That's the difference that I read the Tanach with an open heart without influence from anyone, without any support from anyone's book.

And Adonai reveals to you that Yeshua is our Messiah.

[szewz]

@LoraSinger Precisely for that Yeshua was born and died as a Jew is that those who follow him among the Jews are not ceased, their religion was Jewish, like mine.

I, nor those who live here, "convert" anyone, we are Jews and we speak of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

[LoraSinger]

@szewz - , nor those who live here, "convert" anyone, we are Jews and we speak of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

At best, Jesus may have been a teacher or a zealot, but there is no support even for his existance from writers of his time. If you "speak" of the MESSIAH JESUS, then you are "speaking" of Christianity.

[szewz]

@LoraSinger On the contrary, Flavius Josephus speak of it, now no one denies the existence of it, and its Jewish life, that "Christians" gentleness his image, does not mean that was not Jewish and that his message was not for his people Israel.

Yeshua is Jewish, in his message and his disciples, to the day today

[Matthew1944]

@szewz The two mentions by Josephus of a man called Jesus have already been established as being either partly or wholly interpolations. They were unknown and never used by apologists until after the time of Eusabius, a church father, interpreter, who was also known to bend facts or withhold them altogether. Of course, Jesus was Jewish, from birth to death, and he himself stated that he had been sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel (the diaspora).

[szewz]

@Matthew1944 When it comes to the lost sheep of Israel not referring to the diaspora but in regard to our people that was lost to a poor religious leadership. Ever read the New Testament?

[Matthew1944]

@szewz Yes, but better than that, I've read the history behind it, including the political atmosphere, the development of Gentile Christianity under Paul, the compilation of the bible. Reading the bible alone won't do it. "Your people" didn't exist at the time of Jesus and wouldn't for over two generations after his death. Jesus was railing against the high priesthood who had been placed there by the Romans. The role of the priesthood at that time was to keep peace and....

[Matthew1944]

@Matthew1944 2) to quell any rebellion. Paul was sent to help quell those rebellions as well. Now if Jesus was the fully human messiah that the Jews were expecting, they would rally around him and there would be a very good possibility that the Romans would be driven out. This was what the Jews were expecting him to do during his lifetime. The Romans only became involved in cases of sedition or treason - crucifixion was the punishment.

[szewz]

@Matthew1944 What do you mean when you say my people did not exist?

[Matthew1944]

@szewz By saying your people, I meant Christians. Jesus followers, later called Ebionites practiced full Judaism but thought that Jesus was the FULLY HUMAN messiah who was predicted. Under Pauline Gentile Christianity, after about 57AD, the beginnings of the Catholic Church were beginning, made legal under Constantine a couple of hundred years later and in 385AD became the state religion in Rome under Theodosius. The Ebionites only lasted until about the 4th century before they were gone.

[Matthew1944]

@szewz 3) By dying before accomplishing any of the required tasks, he was deemed to be a false messiah.

[Matthew1944]

@szewz How did you come to convert from the religion of your forefathers to this brand of belief?

[Matthew1944]

@szewz "Neither I, nor those who live here, "convert" anyone, we are Jews and we speak of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

I find that difficult to believe. Your little group is back by Evangelical Christians in the USA, specifically Southern Baptists who preach endlessly and try to convert everone in sight. In fact, many of them have the purpose of taking dominion over the entire world. Your so-called "Messianic Jews" most certainly have picked up the same tricks



[maggie4znsake]

Beautiful testimonies!