The fact that Libertarians embrace contradictory policies is hardly a strength. Someone inconsistent enough to believe in the sovereignty of individuals yet to favour abortion laws or to ban gay marriage isn't one with an open and active mind - it's a hypocrite.
Intelligent people get so engrossed in their man-made concepts that they neglect to see what really matters... Voting for Ron Paul in the coming election.
Things will get worst under liberatarianism, the word Liberatarianism is a decoy, a trojan horse because it somehow klings to Liberty in order to boost irresponsible capitalism, and I trust if Capitalism was to get a boost under Liberatarianism, then the corporations will have a field day and Liberty will only exists for the few, the few of course being the multinationals and big business bosses, not much different to today only a lot worst.
@TheLyricalGal Well corporations are for the most enabled by state intervention, so without state intervention, .i.e. a free market, they would lose almost all of their advantages. Corporations lobby for favorable regulations, regulations that make it harder for competing firms to enter the market.
The term corporation comes from being incorporated by the state.
Liberatarianism is capitalism on steroid with no cheques and balances. Boosting capitalism and abolishing the state is like trusting the blood bank to count dracula.
@FMAPS1 You know why companies are rich, right? People buy their products. You know why they become monopolies, right? They use violence to get rid of competition. You know what people would do if McDonald's suddenly started a war with Burger King, right? Stop buying McDonald's products. You know what would happen if McDonald's has no money, right? They'd go out of business and lose their military funding.
The current US governmental system is already what you described. Our politicians are in corporate pockets, they have established virtual monopolies, and moreover, they get massive tax breaks while small businesses have to pay their taxes in full. At least in libertarianism, the little guy gets a shot. In our current system, it often doesn't even pay to try.
There are plenty of checks (not cheques) and balances in a free market. If a company sells a bad product, than consumers will not buy from them. If they treat workers poorly, workers will find other jobs. The problem with the term "capitalism" is it includes two very different economic systems: free markets and corporatism. In corporatism, a government helps businesses by giving them stolen money (taxes) and preventing other businesses from competing with them.
I once watched a episode of South park with a leading character they called Mr Hindsight who always comes to the rescue after an event has taking place but never proposing a real solution. I love the Liberatarian views on highlighting everything that is wrong with the world, the state, and everything in between but what they propose is at least suspect, look into it, go to the Von Mises website and listen to them, no sir we have no solutions yet and Liberatarianism is not a solution, yet.
Libertarianism is a bait and switch marketing ploy that seeks to destroy the idea of the public and replace it with this false idea of liberty … wherein all the liberty goes to the rich with no responsibility … it is the new ad campaign for the ownership society and is a lie that if it gets enough dupes to follow it will do nothing that Nazism or Bolshevism did not do for Germany or Russia.
@justgivemethetruth It would be nice to actually have a clue about libertarianism if you're going to critique it.
If libertarianism is rich friendly why are the only super wealthy who indentify with libertarianism the Koch bros? If it's ideology for the rich surely more rich people would be libertarians, yet that's not the case.
Seriously though, this a fairly blatant strawman of libertarianism.
So you're calling me clueless about Libertarianism but trying to prove it by asking me a question about the Koch brothers who manipulate our government in the background? It really does not matter what Libertarianism is, just like it did not matter what Germans thought Socialism was or Russians thought Communism was, it is a false movement with money and people behind it trying to trick people into giving them the power to rip America apart under false pretenses.
The thing that seperates libertarianism from socialism or communism is that it's not about putting the power in the hands of the state. It's about putting it everybodys hands, it's the idea that voluntary exchanges should not be restricted.
Socialism or communism hold the fallacious belief that a the state can organize society better than free individuals. Libertarianism rejects that.
Though to be fair if every single member of a socialist/communist/statist society consented to it, then it wouldn't be slave society. But that's never the case.
Treat others the way you want to be treated ~Siddhārtha Gautama & Jesus of Nazareth.
Do not get into other's lives, this means do not start a fight, a war, & an argument.
We must realise as humans we may disagree with others, but the idea should be kept with TOLERANCE. You do not have to accept the difference, just LEAVE OTHERS ALONE.
Which brings the conclusion: WORLD PEACE. I do not believe libertarianism is one step away from becoming anarchist. SPREAD LOVE!
Great idea if you think you can be crucifed and rise again I guess, but I don't believe in magic or in allowing rich people to take control of everything and delete the idea of public space. All people have a God-given right to part of the Earth, and the basic idea of Libertarianism is that whenever you are born whoever owns your slice of this place has no responsibility to you or anyone but themselves … that's why they hate government. Libertarian is a bait and switch lie.
What it means to be a libertarian is to buy into a fantasy fiction cult! To trade in your humanity for some cold, inhuman BS market system that allowed to run rampant has racked up a massive death toll. It is a belief in an imaginary "pure" capitalism that has never nor could ever exist because capitalists themselves wouldn't allow it as it is more profitable to exploit individuals and the state. It is a delusional belief that business WANTS competition lmao! Time to shed childish things people
In my view beeing libertarian means beeing against the initiation of force against people AND the environment we need to survive,under all circumstances,but you have the right to(and should) defend yourself.Its a way of beeing,it doesnt have anithyng to do with politics.A lot of people are libertarians without knowing it,some believe they are libertarians even if they are not.If your company pours chemical waste in a river you are not really a libertarian and people should stop you with force.
To be a Libertarian you don't have to believe in a free market. There are left libertarians and that ideology can also be classed as full freedom and in my opinion is more consistent to what true freedom is.
I think that based on our current situation, the Libertarian party will get looked at a lot more. I think it may even knock out the Repub party or at least join both current parties.
@crazypants88 In my experience being blocked usually means you're winning, and the other person knows this, and refuses any further embarrassment. Of course you will be accused of deserving the banning, but that, too, is standard. I have never banned anyone from any site I've belonged to, nor would I. If there is anything to my arguments, the more the challenges don't stand up. Hard to know this if the challenges aren't even there. Usually lots of projection taking place, too. You know, they'll
@crazypants88 ...accuse you of doing the very thing they are doing at that very moment. "You only make ad hominem attacks, Dumbass!" and things such as this. Worry not. Being banned is most often a sign that you're winning and on the right track. Doesn't HAVE to be, but often is.
@kropotkinbeard1 The only way an ad hominems would impact my argument negatively is if I said he's wrong because he's stupid, I'm saying he's wrong and he's stupid.
What is it to be a libertarian? Well, firstly it is to know what the word means. This link provides the correct answer, as opposed to a few comics here and there who mistakenly think they're libertarians:
I do not see how one can be a pro-abortion libertarian. If you believe one has a right to self-governance and personal property who on earth could justify one not having a right to life?
You are essentially denying ones indebtedness to another. To be a Libertarian means we cannot do unto others as we please, that would include our own children.
@stitty I'm a libertarian and I wouldn't say I'm "pro-abortion" but I'm certainly not for banning it.
The morality of abortion, to me, is irrelevant. Abortions will be sought out regardless of it's legality, so by making it illegal you are by no means preventing people from having abortions, they'd simply take the much less safer black market route.
Kind of like drugs, making them illegal in no way prevents people from using them, they'll use them and they will be much more dangerous.
@crazypants88 I agree with you, abortions will always be requested. But legalization increases need. There are millions of abortions every year but in nations where abortion is illegal (like Ireland) there is not a huge demand for underground abortions. In the year Roe vs Wade became law 3 women died from backstreet abortions. A similar number have died from abortions in recent years.
But in the same way theft will always happen it does not mean it should be legalized.
@stitty How would you even go about knowing how many people use black market abortion?
That's fair, just because something will happen doesn't mean it should be legalized.
I guess I can't call it a victimless crime but I can compare it to male masturbation. When a guy jacks off he's killing off innumerable amounts of potential babies. In the end I don't see abortion as something morally wrong.
@crazypants88 We can gauge how many people use black market abortions occur by how often we find people in hospitals from it or how many are arrested.
The difference between a sperm and a human child is infinite. Imagine a child at 22 weeks in womb, you could hardly call it potential for life. It is life itself, and hence ending the life of a defenseless other is morally wrong.
@stitty Well can it live without the support of the mother? Meaning if the mother were to die could it live?
If woman wants to terminate her pregnancy, she should be able to. Yes a fetus will become a child but I think the human being that's already alive and born should come over the potential life she could produce. It's not that I don't understand your position, I just disagree with it.
@crazypants88 That is an extremely rare scenario. Some gynecologists do not believe that there is every such an scenario. From my novice belief I think those occasions happens rarely in the early stages.
It's good to actually know what actual Libertarianism is as opposed to the childish and simpleton crap which is being tried to be passed off nowadays.
@crazypants88 A classic example is human trafficking in Austria. In recent years there have been 8000 reported cases of human trafficking in Austria and 2 convictions. Why? Because prostitution is legal! Hence it is hard to bring a conviction. Proponents claimed legalizing prostitution would remove sinister criminal elements; they were wrong, it empowered it. Legalized abortion led to an explosion of crisis pregnancies, and an industry with less moral then the backstreet fiends.
@stitty I'm not sure I know what relevance this has but whatever.
Let's say that construction workers began to be kidnapped and held against their will, sold into slavery, essentially they are a part of human trafficking. Does that mean we should ban construction work? Would keeping construction work illegal prevent illegal activities such as the human trafficking of construction workers?
Also correlation =/= causation, just because human trafficking increased in Austria and it's legal, doesn't necessarily mean those two are causal, and even if they are making them illegal wouldn't do anything since human trafficking is already illegal.
@crazypants88 Human trafficking has increased in Austria, because we have several groups that work with victims of HT that can gauge the amount of women who are claiming to be trafficked. We see in all countries that legalize prostitution that the amount of claims and police reports of HT goes up, where court convictions go down.
@stitty I still don't see how you plan on eliminating an already illegal activity by making the thing they force people to do illegal. And again I'm not denying it's causal but just saying HT increased after prostitution was legalized doesn't prove that it was due it's legalization. Even if it was, I refer you to my example of construction workers being kidnapped and forced to work at construction sites. Would that mean we should ban construction work?
Same with prostitution, human trafficking in my eyes doesn't warrant the banning of prostitution and again how would that even work, human trafficking is already illegal.
Actually, I would never marry a woman that would believe in killing my baby. And if she was my wife i would not allow it. But you would not be able to understand that. You are a liberal you dont understand what it means to be a man or a woman. You refer to them as "male" and "female". You downgrade human beings to the level of other species. Therefore you are a subhuman. Therefore you wpuld think it is all right to abort a baby becasue you downgrade them as subhuman
Actually, I would never marry a woman that would believe in killing my baby. And if she was my wife i would not allow it. But you would not be able to understand that. You are a liberal you dont understand what it means to be a man or a woman. You refer to them as "male" and "female". You downgrade human beings to the level of other species. Therefore you are a subhuman. Therefore you wpuld think it is all right to abort a baby becasue you downgrade them as subhuman
This is why your country is being taken over. Because of soft weak men like some of you on here. leaving an important choice of protecting the life of your child to someone else. Thats why your woman wears the pants in your relationships because your whipped. And your kids grow up and dont respect you. Wimps. BTW the suggestion that was made about giving up the child is an excellent alternative. But the liberal mind could never think of it because its contaminated.
Of course you would not have a stance on abortion. You date woman that drink alcohol and get drunk and vomit all over you. You watch family guy and listen to green day. Your mentally dead. Your conscience is asleep. Thats why you are not able to discern between good and evil. Your mind is all screwed up. You have a mental disease called liberalism.
Lol. If you do not have a stance on something as immoral as abortion than that is a sign of a weak person. I can understand if you never gave it any thought or do not known anything about it. But you seem to be very educated on the issue because of your questions. I already told you my opinions on it. Also the fact that you melted down in this conversation and lost your composure shows you are a weak person. Grow some balls my friend.
Abortion should not be a goverment issue. The made it an issue during Roe vs wade. People with common sense gave in to Liberal phsycopaths back then. Liberatarians back then probably was against it because like you said its not a government issue. But when you legalize it then you lost right there. You go to a point of no return. Oh, feel free to try as hard as you can, I cant be provoked, I dont have impulses. Nice try though.....
Be careful you dont mistaken having confidence in your belief system with being naive and ignorant. I have thought the whole thing throuigh. I am not torn. Try to find an argumnnt that would make me think otherwise.
@Truth77Absolute So you're saying that a woman who was assaulted and impregnated should be forced to bear this child? And stop acting as if I've taken a firm opinion on this! I said it's where I'm TORN. I don't have a firm view either way, and I'm not trying to provoke you or change your beliefs, rather I'm giving you some different logic. It's hard for me to see why the issue of abortion should be a GOVT. issue anyway. It all comes down to what science tells us is the point cells become humans.
@andydude30 , I will repeat it one more time...The baby has nothing to do with the crime. Period. Abortion became an issue because of liberal lunatics and weak conservatives that gave in too easy. As long as it is legal its is the womens choice. But if you make it illegal for those doctors to have these clincis open and take away their license, then we would have less discussions.
@Truth77Absolute Forgive me if I am incorrect, but I am assuming you're male. If you are, then why do you care if a female has the choice of whether or not to accept forms of contraception? You're not female, so this does not even apply to you in the least. People should have the choice to do what they want with minimal government intervention, especially when it comes to their personal issues such as pregnancy.
@emperorpenguinsrule , I agree. People both men and women should have their freedom of choice that the constitution guarentees. I think you need to go back and read my past comments so you know exactly the case i am making on here. You are a little misinformed my friend.
@emperorpenguinsrule , Actually, I would never marry a woman that would believe in killing my baby. And if she was my wife i would not allow it. But you would not be able to understand that. You are a liberal you dont understand what it means to be a man or a woman. You refer to them as "male" and "female". You downgrade human beings to the level of other species. Therefore you are a subhuman. Therefore you wpuld think it is all right to abort a baby becasue you downgrade them as subhuman.
@emperorpenguinsrule , Liberal education is indoctrination. You exchange the common sense you were born with for upside down thinking. I mean think about what you said to me in the last comment you told me i dont have a say in the abortion issue because i am a "male". How stuoid was that? I have no freedom because of abortion. Listen here you little liberal snob nothing , my son is 12 years old. I have all the say in abortion you sub human troll.
@Truth77Absolute You haven't schooled me whatsoever. I don't have a firm stance on abortion, you ignorant fuck. How many times do I have to say it? I give one person another view on things and trolls like you are what I get in response. Typical internet elitists. You're blocked.
@andydude30 Lol. If you do not have a stance on something as immoral as abortion than that is a sign of a weak person. I can understand if you never gave it any thought or do not known anything about it. But you seem to be very educated on the issue because of your questions. I already told you my opinions on it. Also the fact that you melted down in this conversation and lost your composure shows you are a weak person. Grow some balls my friend.
@Truth77Absolute And now you're just attempting to taunt us with your impetuous insults and inaccurate assumptions. I'm not going to try and debate with you anymore since you cannot tell the difference between an educated response and a childish insult. And before you go and attempt to argue further, you might want to touch up on your grammar and spelling a bit; it'll make you seem at least a little bit intelligent.
@emperorpenguinsrule , You should be ashamed of yourself. You are in the U.S. military and you dont know how to stand up for whats right.I hope you are not a soldier or else we are in trouble. Grow some will ya.
When an individual has the ability to prevent something evil from happening and you choose to do nothing about it its would be a choice. But in Gods eyes you have made the wrong choice. Anytimes a person has the chance to save someones life and does nothing about it you have contributed to the demise of society.
The issue with abortion is if it is right to allow doctors to have a license to perform those operartions for the wrong reason. Just because someone does not want to be a parent is not a good reason. It is not about whether a woman wants to have the abortion. That is her choice. But if the clinics did not exist then she would have no choice but to keep the baby or do something to hamr herself. If you do something to hamr yourself that your fault. No one elses. its your choice.
Liberal pages allow comments, while conservative pages don't allow comments or voting up or down. This defines liberals and conservatives in a nut shell.
Abortion is an institution that assists people in commiting murder against an unborn child. So therefore you are affecting the freedom and liberty of a baby in the womb. If a Liberatarian politician has the chance to abolish this institution and make it against th law to practice this operation for the wrong reasons , would he? Or would a Liberatarian politician just leave it like it is and notshow any action? Its not about taking away rights to have an abortion but the right to perform it.
@Truth77Absolute But there's also the argument that if a woman does not WANT or have any INTENT to bear a child, the fetus is then defined as a parasite, and the woman has every right to remove it.
"If it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, then what matter is it to me if my neighbors worship many gods or none."
Thomas Jefferson
In my opinion as soon as you know your pregnant and don't want the child you should seek to find parents who may want the child and make them pay for the hospital bills. If you can't do that then I want to get a bill passed to be able to abort people who abort children. its only fair... but that's my opinion...
@novedzor I fully respect that. I didn't mean to come across as someone who fully supports that theory, it was just one that I found while researching Libertarian philosophy. Abortion really is a very difficult and touchy subject. And don't forget, there's always the issue of rape/unconsenting sexual abuse as well. Personally, I find it hard to strongly support either side.
@andydude30 I understand your position. and I can only state my opinion on the matter I'm a guy so I don't feel I have the best judgement however if someone wants my opinion have the child and give it up for adoption (if you consented to have sex you should accept responsibility of your actions and seek to fix it the best you can without murdering the child) if your raped or don't consent or its going to kill the mother is the only time I'll support it.
@andydude30 , So someone judges a baby a parasite because they dont want it? I hope you are not serious. Because if you are you should be put in a mental institute. Your sick. Thats not an argument. Abortions should not be performed because someone does not want to be a parent. That is selfish and you take away the liberty of the baby. its freedom. Dont ask me any more ignorant questions. Ill block you.
@andydude30 , You are a parasite. But even though I still think you have your freedom to exist. Only God has the right to judge whether you should be alive or not. Because he created you. You are a waste of the matter that God used to create you. Psycopath, dont send me anymore comments.
Why call him names and accuse him of being psychotic? What you commented is completely immature and unnecessary. Learn to be a little more tolerant of others' opinions, will you?
@Truth77Absolute I've read his opinion and it makes sense. I can see pregnancy being a parasitic disease that can potentially kill the host. And if the host wants to get rid of said parasite, she can go through the procedure to have it removed. This is an extremely cynical way of viewing pregnancy and abortion; and it may not be with what you agree with, but it's not disgusting.
@emperorpenguinsrule Thank you for not being one of the many completely naive and ignorant people on youtube. I don't even fully support that theory, I was just giving him the other side of the story.
@andydude30 , No i didnt make a fool of myself. I dont take back nothing I said.The argument you made regardless of where or who it comes from is disgusting. I dont care what other people think of what I say. I dont care if your agnostic or not. I never asked you.
@Truth77Absolute But you were implying that I actually believe in God punishing people. Look man, I don't see why you're getting so angry. If I came across as angry to you then I apologize, that was not my intent. I was only giving you a very, as novedzor said, cynical opinion towards abortion. I most definitely oppose abortion if it's only because someone does not want to be a parent after having consenting sex. Where I'm torn is when it comes to things like rape/sexual abuse.
@andydude30 , Again, I never made a direct comment to you on religion, you are confused. it is never the babies fault. Let the argument about rape/sexual case drop dead. it wont work with me. It is never the babies fault. I appreciate you bringing it up for sake of argument though. I see you just want to make the conversation interesting. Good job.
@andydude30 , By the way kust to show you i am a step ahead of you, dont bother making comments like "but its not the victim of rapes fault for getting pregnant". No, that has nothing to do with the baby being aborted seperate the 2 cases dont mix them. Think of something else if I just took the words out your mouth.
@Truth77Absolute Too bad I'm agnostic.And plus, I'm only giving you the other side of the story that I found after doing some research. I never said I fully supported it. You just wasted your time and made a fool of yourself nonetheless.
@lookit87 I don't see how one can be an interventionist and pro-abortion while being a Libertarian. Libertarian philosophy holds firm to the idea of non-aggression and pro-life. This of course always opens up the debate to the definition of life and when it begins. My accepted defintion of life is: "an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, and reaction to stimuli." therefore abortion is an act of aggression and is inconsistent with the tenets Libertarianism.
@JRudolph86 "Libertarian philosophy holds firm to the idea of non-aggression and pro-life" It's not necessarily an act of aggression. Even if we were to grant that the fetus/embryo were alive and, more pertinently, a person, the cessation of a woman and the fetus/embryo living inside of her is no different than a person denying the things needed to save another person's life which is a non-aggressive yet death-inducing act. Still stands accordingly with Libertarian philosophy.
@lookit87 Yeah, the quality is good. The content sucks though. If one wishes to "learn liberty" then a good place to start is by studying folks who know something about it (See Chomsky, Zinn, Said, and any other of those who actually understand the subject, and have participated in it)
@lookit87 Not sure about your screen, but one of the vidoes listed on the right is a video by billburns2 entitled 'Why Libertarianism is Wrong'. I suggest dealing with his arguments before diving into the shallow cesspool of "libertarianism" so that you can learn about it and drop it now before the indoctrination gets too advanced. The greater the indoctrination, the longer the deprogramming time.
Humans don't deserve much; they do deserve a coupon for tgi fridays and a $50 gift certificate to wal-mart. You know, a consolation prize that says hey thanks for fuckin playing.
@exra82 Maximum freedom and limited government? Now, that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. Maximum freedom would sanction murder or any other form of aggression, Libertarianism calls for moral restraint where aggressive actions come into play, uncoincidentally this is also where the necessity for limited government comes in- to hold aggressors acountable for their actions and to dissuade individuals from acting on their primal instinct to covet their neighbor's fortunes.
Its funny how some liberals live in a false utopia. That all these entitlements will always be there, there will never be an economic collapse, a world war, a natural disaster? Anything can happen in the future, i don't want to give all my money into a system that commits terror acts on foreign countries, bails out corruptions, uses secrecy and torture's people (Now, U.S. citizens even?). Stop robbing me fascist government.
Libertarianism: A society where everyone fends for themselves so that the strong can dominate the weak until society is eventually ruled entirely by a small group of rich people
Like Al Capone said, it is a thug economy where you take as much as possible and to hell with the consequences
Choose genuine freedom instead: where you have the power to act without political coercion or restraint AND without economic coercion or restraint so long as u dont reasonably violate that same right in others
@uberjim83 he's right on a few things but saying intervention in other countries is libertarian, is just wrong, if the chinese forced their will on us with military bases and such that is an initiation of force and therefore cannot be libertarian...
Oh, another youtube video promoting the free markets, free-trade, and freedom. Those old ideas are not aligned with the progression of the New National Social Democratic Party. Debt and dependency are the new goals.
How much freedom should people be allowed? That's for our dictators to decide?
Libertarianism is the most heavily subsidized idea since the catholic church. It would never survive the free market of ideas without massive corporate patronage. The same people that become libertarians also become Marxist. They are wishful thinking Utopians that think they are pragmatists since they are cynical about one aspect of human nature. Their system works beautifully in their imaginations because no one breaks the rules ones their magic system is in place.
@quote55 Ayn Rand was an objectivist, not a Libertarian.
Pure libertarianism takes too much power away from the government. A government with no power serves no useful purpose. In libertarianism, there is no public policy, due to the fact that it infringes upon an individual's liberties. This means that you do not have anything protecting a person's liberties from other people and businesses.
I do realise, though, that not all libertarians believe in pure libertarianism.
You're either: a) A spoiled rich kid conservative who wants to smoke weed legally, or b) a "liberal" who failed the shit out of economics and history courses.
@Fruscianteistheman I am an atheist who favors limited government, and in this there is NO contradiction.
Would you call me a "confused conservative?"
You see, abortion and gay rights have absolutely NOTHING to do with the economy. NOTHING. Why the republicans tend to have placed their economic position and (in general) their "christian" position under the same wing... I have no idea. Republicans are confused.
For example, anyone who makes fun of people for not believing in their points of view, and then goes on to arrogantly insult them with such sly remarks as "get a brain" are assholes that should be wiped with toilet paper (Beaten with steel bats)
There are so many ideological philosophies in this world, but humanity forgets that there are only 2 types of people who really matter in this world. Not Republicans and Democrats, not liberals and conservatives, not Justin Bieber haters or lovers.
Its basically whether or not your an asshole or an non-asshole, thats what really matters.
@l33thaxor33 Muahahahah! Cant handle the eye of scrutiny, huh? Thought you guys WANTED people to hear the the good word, or whatever it is you people call it?
The telephone poles are erected mostly by government contracts, and all types of wire and lines runs through it which the private business use to provide services such as electricity, phone, internet, etc.
If the government is too limited, then we will have private companies fighting and monopolizing the poles for business.
So the government in fact provides a strong foundation for businesses to thrive, anyone that deny it need to get a brain.
@Neosaigo If the wires were privately owned, businesses would be competing for the usage of those wires, and the ones who will end up using those wires are the businesses that give the most amount of people the services they want, which is why they had the money to begin with. They would also be better maintained because the business responsible for the poles would have a greater vested interest in the efficient maintenance of the poles.
that's fine. the The bottom line with Libertarianism is ALTERNATIVES . no matter what it is, if the person concerned can make a better choice then freedom is working. that's how quality is assured through choice. if public contracts bring the best possible outcomes than so be it. but it should be said that one good outcome makes ALL public outcomes necessarily good.skepticism of central powers in both the private and public sectors must be at an all time high. it's what people AGREE to.
@Neosaigo As opposed to gov't monopolizing various industries and give contracts to companies that can afford the best/most lobbyists? Free market competition will sort this out and deliver the most cost efficient and highest quality product to meet market demands. Think outside the box will develop your brain. :)
The fact that Libertarians embrace contradictory policies is hardly a strength. Someone inconsistent enough to believe in the sovereignty of individuals yet to favour abortion laws or to ban gay marriage isn't one with an open and active mind - it's a hypocrite.
WalterLiddy 1 day ago
Intelligent people get so engrossed in their man-made concepts that they neglect to see what really matters... Voting for Ron Paul in the coming election.
HeedAndSucceed 4 days ago 3
Things will get worst under liberatarianism, the word Liberatarianism is a decoy, a trojan horse because it somehow klings to Liberty in order to boost irresponsible capitalism, and I trust if Capitalism was to get a boost under Liberatarianism, then the corporations will have a field day and Liberty will only exists for the few, the few of course being the multinationals and big business bosses, not much different to today only a lot worst.
TheLyricalGal 2 weeks ago
@TheLyricalGal Well corporations are for the most enabled by state intervention, so without state intervention, .i.e. a free market, they would lose almost all of their advantages. Corporations lobby for favorable regulations, regulations that make it harder for competing firms to enter the market.
The term corporation comes from being incorporated by the state.
crazypants88 2 weeks ago
@TheLyricalGal Then you don't understand what 'liberty' means.
WalterLiddy 1 day ago
Liberatarianism is capitalism on steroid with no cheques and balances. Boosting capitalism and abolishing the state is like trusting the blood bank to count dracula.
FMAPS1 1 month ago
@FMAPS1 You know why companies are rich, right? People buy their products. You know why they become monopolies, right? They use violence to get rid of competition. You know what people would do if McDonald's suddenly started a war with Burger King, right? Stop buying McDonald's products. You know what would happen if McDonald's has no money, right? They'd go out of business and lose their military funding.
slaughtz 1 month ago
@FMAPS1 Ignorant idiot.
TWSceptic 1 month ago
@FMAPS1
The current US governmental system is already what you described. Our politicians are in corporate pockets, they have established virtual monopolies, and moreover, they get massive tax breaks while small businesses have to pay their taxes in full. At least in libertarianism, the little guy gets a shot. In our current system, it often doesn't even pay to try.
IIDASHII 2 weeks ago
There are plenty of checks (not cheques) and balances in a free market. If a company sells a bad product, than consumers will not buy from them. If they treat workers poorly, workers will find other jobs. The problem with the term "capitalism" is it includes two very different economic systems: free markets and corporatism. In corporatism, a government helps businesses by giving them stolen money (taxes) and preventing other businesses from competing with them.
theJMBgamer 1 week ago
I once watched a episode of South park with a leading character they called Mr Hindsight who always comes to the rescue after an event has taking place but never proposing a real solution. I love the Liberatarian views on highlighting everything that is wrong with the world, the state, and everything in between but what they propose is at least suspect, look into it, go to the Von Mises website and listen to them, no sir we have no solutions yet and Liberatarianism is not a solution, yet.
FMAPS1 1 month ago
@FMAPS1
Libertarianism is a bait and switch marketing ploy that seeks to destroy the idea of the public and replace it with this false idea of liberty … wherein all the liberty goes to the rich with no responsibility … it is the new ad campaign for the ownership society and is a lie that if it gets enough dupes to follow it will do nothing that Nazism or Bolshevism did not do for Germany or Russia.
justgivemethetruth 1 month ago
@justgivemethetruth It would be nice to actually have a clue about libertarianism if you're going to critique it.
If libertarianism is rich friendly why are the only super wealthy who indentify with libertarianism the Koch bros? If it's ideology for the rich surely more rich people would be libertarians, yet that's not the case.
Seriously though, this a fairly blatant strawman of libertarianism.
crazypants88 1 month ago
@crazypants88
So you're calling me clueless about Libertarianism but trying to prove it by asking me a question about the Koch brothers who manipulate our government in the background? It really does not matter what Libertarianism is, just like it did not matter what Germans thought Socialism was or Russians thought Communism was, it is a false movement with money and people behind it trying to trick people into giving them the power to rip America apart under false pretenses.
justgivemethetruth 1 month ago
@justgivemethetruth No, your comment is evidence enough of your ignorance.
The thing that seperates libertarianism from socialism or communism is that it's not about putting the power in the hands of the state. It's about putting it everybodys hands, it's the idea that voluntary exchanges should not be restricted.
Socialism or communism hold the fallacious belief that a the state can organize society better than free individuals. Libertarianism rejects that.
crazypants88 1 month ago
@crazypants88
In a nutshell, one is a free society, and the other is a slave society.
IIDASHII 2 weeks ago
@IIDASHII Pretty much.
Though to be fair if every single member of a socialist/communist/statist society consented to it, then it wouldn't be slave society. But that's never the case.
crazypants88 2 weeks ago
This is my idea of a libertarian:
Treat others the way you want to be treated ~Siddhārtha Gautama & Jesus of Nazareth.
Do not get into other's lives, this means do not start a fight, a war, & an argument.
We must realise as humans we may disagree with others, but the idea should be kept with TOLERANCE. You do not have to accept the difference, just LEAVE OTHERS ALONE.
Which brings the conclusion: WORLD PEACE. I do not believe libertarianism is one step away from becoming anarchist. SPREAD LOVE!
JyonasanVolkov 1 month ago
@JyonasanVolkov
Great idea if you think you can be crucifed and rise again I guess, but I don't believe in magic or in allowing rich people to take control of everything and delete the idea of public space. All people have a God-given right to part of the Earth, and the basic idea of Libertarianism is that whenever you are born whoever owns your slice of this place has no responsibility to you or anyone but themselves … that's why they hate government. Libertarian is a bait and switch lie.
justgivemethetruth 1 month ago
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What it means to be a libertarian is to buy into a fantasy fiction cult! To trade in your humanity for some cold, inhuman BS market system that allowed to run rampant has racked up a massive death toll. It is a belief in an imaginary "pure" capitalism that has never nor could ever exist because capitalists themselves wouldn't allow it as it is more profitable to exploit individuals and the state. It is a delusional belief that business WANTS competition lmao! Time to shed childish things people
Navywxman 1 month ago
does any one have any videos of this with subtitles in chinese or vietnamese ? i need to show this to my parents
frozenwalkway 1 month ago
Libertarianism = Fiscally conservative and more of less socially liberal.
ALLDAYERRYDAYLEGIT 1 month ago
He makes it sound as if libertarians could easily be confused with humanists.
elrynx2 1 month ago
In my view beeing libertarian means beeing against the initiation of force against people AND the environment we need to survive,under all circumstances,but you have the right to(and should) defend yourself.Its a way of beeing,it doesnt have anithyng to do with politics.A lot of people are libertarians without knowing it,some believe they are libertarians even if they are not.If your company pours chemical waste in a river you are not really a libertarian and people should stop you with force.
affilinet 1 month ago
@affilinet its just a facade. Please read into exactly what they are sayin, I use to fall for it many years ago.
TheLyricalGal 1 month ago
To be a Libertarian you don't have to believe in a free market. There are left libertarians and that ideology can also be classed as full freedom and in my opinion is more consistent to what true freedom is.
23lFrench 2 months ago
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For anyone interested in Libertarianism, I have comedic video series that I am starting which is on my channel. Ron Paul 2012
CommonSenseLako 2 months ago
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The Money That Is Sold Abroad Is You!
It is not dollars, treasuries, bonds and debt that is being sold by your government.
It is you.
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ThePeopleForRonPaul 2 months ago
I think that based on our current situation, the Libertarian party will get looked at a lot more. I think it may even knock out the Repub party or at least join both current parties.
branrules101 2 months ago
Rational response to the comments made here, including dealing with certain aspects not commented on by the gentleman here:
See: 'Why Libertarianism Is Wrong' .....billburns2
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 He's an idiot, he just now blocked me because he's unable to argue.
Also the video you reference shows all of his tell-tale signs of intellectual cowardice.
He's disabled ratings and comments because he's "answered all the counter arguments"
crazypants88 2 months ago
@crazypants88 In my experience being blocked usually means you're winning, and the other person knows this, and refuses any further embarrassment. Of course you will be accused of deserving the banning, but that, too, is standard. I have never banned anyone from any site I've belonged to, nor would I. If there is anything to my arguments, the more the challenges don't stand up. Hard to know this if the challenges aren't even there. Usually lots of projection taking place, too. You know, they'll
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
@crazypants88 ...accuse you of doing the very thing they are doing at that very moment. "You only make ad hominem attacks, Dumbass!" and things such as this. Worry not. Being banned is most often a sign that you're winning and on the right track. Doesn't HAVE to be, but often is.
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 I'm calling him stupid because of his views, I'm not saying he's wrong because he's stupid.
crazypants88 2 months ago
@crazypants88 Uhhh....Huh?
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 The only way an ad hominems would impact my argument negatively is if I said he's wrong because he's stupid, I'm saying he's wrong and he's stupid.
crazypants88 2 months ago
What is it to be a libertarian? Well, firstly it is to know what the word means. This link provides the correct answer, as opposed to a few comics here and there who mistakenly think they're libertarians:
REAL libertarian here:
youtube.com/watch?v=RxPUvQZ3rcQ
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 Your link doesn't seem to work
crazypants88 2 months ago
I do not see how one can be a pro-abortion libertarian. If you believe one has a right to self-governance and personal property who on earth could justify one not having a right to life?
You are essentially denying ones indebtedness to another. To be a Libertarian means we cannot do unto others as we please, that would include our own children.
But I do agree, it's a damn good video.
stitty 2 months ago
@stitty I'm a libertarian and I wouldn't say I'm "pro-abortion" but I'm certainly not for banning it.
The morality of abortion, to me, is irrelevant. Abortions will be sought out regardless of it's legality, so by making it illegal you are by no means preventing people from having abortions, they'd simply take the much less safer black market route.
Kind of like drugs, making them illegal in no way prevents people from using them, they'll use them and they will be much more dangerous.
crazypants88 2 months ago
@crazypants88 I agree with you, abortions will always be requested. But legalization increases need. There are millions of abortions every year but in nations where abortion is illegal (like Ireland) there is not a huge demand for underground abortions. In the year Roe vs Wade became law 3 women died from backstreet abortions. A similar number have died from abortions in recent years.
But in the same way theft will always happen it does not mean it should be legalized.
stitty 2 months ago
@stitty How would you even go about knowing how many people use black market abortion?
That's fair, just because something will happen doesn't mean it should be legalized.
I guess I can't call it a victimless crime but I can compare it to male masturbation. When a guy jacks off he's killing off innumerable amounts of potential babies. In the end I don't see abortion as something morally wrong.
crazypants88 2 months ago
@crazypants88 We can gauge how many people use black market abortions occur by how often we find people in hospitals from it or how many are arrested.
The difference between a sperm and a human child is infinite. Imagine a child at 22 weeks in womb, you could hardly call it potential for life. It is life itself, and hence ending the life of a defenseless other is morally wrong.
stitty 2 months ago
@stitty Well can it live without the support of the mother? Meaning if the mother were to die could it live?
If woman wants to terminate her pregnancy, she should be able to. Yes a fetus will become a child but I think the human being that's already alive and born should come over the potential life she could produce. It's not that I don't understand your position, I just disagree with it.
crazypants88 2 months ago
@crazypants88 That is an extremely rare scenario. Some gynecologists do not believe that there is every such an scenario. From my novice belief I think those occasions happens rarely in the early stages.
stitty 2 months ago
@stitty Try looking at: Chomsky refutes "libertarian" "anarcho"- capitalism
It's good to actually know what actual Libertarianism is as opposed to the childish and simpleton crap which is being tried to be passed off nowadays.
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 Nice to see the respect tone dominates the debate.
stitty 2 months ago
@stitty What does this refer to?
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
@crazypants88 A classic example is human trafficking in Austria. In recent years there have been 8000 reported cases of human trafficking in Austria and 2 convictions. Why? Because prostitution is legal! Hence it is hard to bring a conviction. Proponents claimed legalizing prostitution would remove sinister criminal elements; they were wrong, it empowered it. Legalized abortion led to an explosion of crisis pregnancies, and an industry with less moral then the backstreet fiends.
stitty 2 months ago
@stitty I'm not sure I know what relevance this has but whatever.
Let's say that construction workers began to be kidnapped and held against their will, sold into slavery, essentially they are a part of human trafficking. Does that mean we should ban construction work? Would keeping construction work illegal prevent illegal activities such as the human trafficking of construction workers?
contd.
crazypants88 2 months ago
@stitty contd.
Also correlation =/= causation, just because human trafficking increased in Austria and it's legal, doesn't necessarily mean those two are causal, and even if they are making them illegal wouldn't do anything since human trafficking is already illegal.
crazypants88 2 months ago
@crazypants88 Human trafficking has increased in Austria, because we have several groups that work with victims of HT that can gauge the amount of women who are claiming to be trafficked. We see in all countries that legalize prostitution that the amount of claims and police reports of HT goes up, where court convictions go down.
stitty 2 months ago
@stitty I still don't see how you plan on eliminating an already illegal activity by making the thing they force people to do illegal. And again I'm not denying it's causal but just saying HT increased after prostitution was legalized doesn't prove that it was due it's legalization. Even if it was, I refer you to my example of construction workers being kidnapped and forced to work at construction sites. Would that mean we should ban construction work?
contd.
crazypants88 2 months ago
@stitty contd.
Same with prostitution, human trafficking in my eyes doesn't warrant the banning of prostitution and again how would that even work, human trafficking is already illegal.
crazypants88 2 months ago
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Actually, I would never marry a woman that would believe in killing my baby. And if she was my wife i would not allow it. But you would not be able to understand that. You are a liberal you dont understand what it means to be a man or a woman. You refer to them as "male" and "female". You downgrade human beings to the level of other species. Therefore you are a subhuman. Therefore you wpuld think it is all right to abort a baby becasue you downgrade them as subhuman
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Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
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Actually, I would never marry a woman that would believe in killing my baby. And if she was my wife i would not allow it. But you would not be able to understand that. You are a liberal you dont understand what it means to be a man or a woman. You refer to them as "male" and "female". You downgrade human beings to the level of other species. Therefore you are a subhuman. Therefore you wpuld think it is all right to abort a baby becasue you downgrade them as subhuman
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Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
This is why your country is being taken over. Because of soft weak men like some of you on here. leaving an important choice of protecting the life of your child to someone else. Thats why your woman wears the pants in your relationships because your whipped. And your kids grow up and dont respect you. Wimps. BTW the suggestion that was made about giving up the child is an excellent alternative. But the liberal mind could never think of it because its contaminated.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
Of course you would not have a stance on abortion. You date woman that drink alcohol and get drunk and vomit all over you. You watch family guy and listen to green day. Your mentally dead. Your conscience is asleep. Thats why you are not able to discern between good and evil. Your mind is all screwed up. You have a mental disease called liberalism.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute you sound like a misogynist looney
thefaketahare 2 months ago
Lol. If you do not have a stance on something as immoral as abortion than that is a sign of a weak person. I can understand if you never gave it any thought or do not known anything about it. But you seem to be very educated on the issue because of your questions. I already told you my opinions on it. Also the fact that you melted down in this conversation and lost your composure shows you are a weak person. Grow some balls my friend.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
Abortion should not be a goverment issue. The made it an issue during Roe vs wade. People with common sense gave in to Liberal phsycopaths back then. Liberatarians back then probably was against it because like you said its not a government issue. But when you legalize it then you lost right there. You go to a point of no return. Oh, feel free to try as hard as you can, I cant be provoked, I dont have impulses. Nice try though.....
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
Be careful you dont mistaken having confidence in your belief system with being naive and ignorant. I have thought the whole thing throuigh. I am not torn. Try to find an argumnnt that would make me think otherwise.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute So you're saying that a woman who was assaulted and impregnated should be forced to bear this child? And stop acting as if I've taken a firm opinion on this! I said it's where I'm TORN. I don't have a firm view either way, and I'm not trying to provoke you or change your beliefs, rather I'm giving you some different logic. It's hard for me to see why the issue of abortion should be a GOVT. issue anyway. It all comes down to what science tells us is the point cells become humans.
andydude30 2 months ago
@andydude30 , I will repeat it one more time...The baby has nothing to do with the crime. Period. Abortion became an issue because of liberal lunatics and weak conservatives that gave in too easy. As long as it is legal its is the womens choice. But if you make it illegal for those doctors to have these clincis open and take away their license, then we would have less discussions.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@andydude30 , Force to bear child? lol. Nice try. Its in hman sinful nature to put the blame on the most innocent.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@andydude30 , feel free to ask more question. its been my pleasure schooling you.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute Forgive me if I am incorrect, but I am assuming you're male. If you are, then why do you care if a female has the choice of whether or not to accept forms of contraception? You're not female, so this does not even apply to you in the least. People should have the choice to do what they want with minimal government intervention, especially when it comes to their personal issues such as pregnancy.
emperorpenguinsrule 2 months ago
@emperorpenguinsrule , I agree. People both men and women should have their freedom of choice that the constitution guarentees. I think you need to go back and read my past comments so you know exactly the case i am making on here. You are a little misinformed my friend.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@emperorpenguinsrule , Actually, I would never marry a woman that would believe in killing my baby. And if she was my wife i would not allow it. But you would not be able to understand that. You are a liberal you dont understand what it means to be a man or a woman. You refer to them as "male" and "female". You downgrade human beings to the level of other species. Therefore you are a subhuman. Therefore you wpuld think it is all right to abort a baby becasue you downgrade them as subhuman.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@emperorpenguinsrule , Liberal education is indoctrination. You exchange the common sense you were born with for upside down thinking. I mean think about what you said to me in the last comment you told me i dont have a say in the abortion issue because i am a "male". How stuoid was that? I have no freedom because of abortion. Listen here you little liberal snob nothing , my son is 12 years old. I have all the say in abortion you sub human troll.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute You haven't schooled me whatsoever. I don't have a firm stance on abortion, you ignorant fuck. How many times do I have to say it? I give one person another view on things and trolls like you are what I get in response. Typical internet elitists. You're blocked.
andydude30 2 months ago
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@andydude30 Lol. If you do not have a stance on something as immoral as abortion than that is a sign of a weak person. I can understand if you never gave it any thought or do not known anything about it. But you seem to be very educated on the issue because of your questions. I already told you my opinions on it. Also the fact that you melted down in this conversation and lost your composure shows you are a weak person. Grow some balls my friend.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@andydude30 , Make surenext time you send me a comment you have made up your mind on this issue. You weak soft wimp.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute And now you're just attempting to taunt us with your impetuous insults and inaccurate assumptions. I'm not going to try and debate with you anymore since you cannot tell the difference between an educated response and a childish insult. And before you go and attempt to argue further, you might want to touch up on your grammar and spelling a bit; it'll make you seem at least a little bit intelligent.
emperorpenguinsrule 2 months ago
@emperorpenguinsrule , You should be ashamed of yourself. You are in the U.S. military and you dont know how to stand up for whats right.I hope you are not a soldier or else we are in trouble. Grow some will ya.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
When an individual has the ability to prevent something evil from happening and you choose to do nothing about it its would be a choice. But in Gods eyes you have made the wrong choice. Anytimes a person has the chance to save someones life and does nothing about it you have contributed to the demise of society.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
The issue with abortion is if it is right to allow doctors to have a license to perform those operartions for the wrong reason. Just because someone does not want to be a parent is not a good reason. It is not about whether a woman wants to have the abortion. That is her choice. But if the clinics did not exist then she would have no choice but to keep the baby or do something to hamr herself. If you do something to hamr yourself that your fault. No one elses. its your choice.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
Liberal pages allow comments, while conservative pages don't allow comments or voting up or down. This defines liberals and conservatives in a nut shell.
heth6 2 months ago
Abortion is an institution that assists people in commiting murder against an unborn child. So therefore you are affecting the freedom and liberty of a baby in the womb. If a Liberatarian politician has the chance to abolish this institution and make it against th law to practice this operation for the wrong reasons , would he? Or would a Liberatarian politician just leave it like it is and notshow any action? Its not about taking away rights to have an abortion but the right to perform it.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute But there's also the argument that if a woman does not WANT or have any INTENT to bear a child, the fetus is then defined as a parasite, and the woman has every right to remove it.
andydude30 2 months ago
@andydude30
"If it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, then what matter is it to me if my neighbors worship many gods or none."
Thomas Jefferson
In my opinion as soon as you know your pregnant and don't want the child you should seek to find parents who may want the child and make them pay for the hospital bills. If you can't do that then I want to get a bill passed to be able to abort people who abort children. its only fair... but that's my opinion...
novedzor 2 months ago
@novedzor I fully respect that. I didn't mean to come across as someone who fully supports that theory, it was just one that I found while researching Libertarian philosophy. Abortion really is a very difficult and touchy subject. And don't forget, there's always the issue of rape/unconsenting sexual abuse as well. Personally, I find it hard to strongly support either side.
andydude30 2 months ago
@andydude30 I understand your position. and I can only state my opinion on the matter I'm a guy so I don't feel I have the best judgement however if someone wants my opinion have the child and give it up for adoption (if you consented to have sex you should accept responsibility of your actions and seek to fix it the best you can without murdering the child) if your raped or don't consent or its going to kill the mother is the only time I'll support it.
novedzor 2 months ago
@andydude30 , So someone judges a baby a parasite because they dont want it? I hope you are not serious. Because if you are you should be put in a mental institute. Your sick. Thats not an argument. Abortions should not be performed because someone does not want to be a parent. That is selfish and you take away the liberty of the baby. its freedom. Dont ask me any more ignorant questions. Ill block you.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@andydude30 , You are a parasite. But even though I still think you have your freedom to exist. Only God has the right to judge whether you should be alive or not. Because he created you. You are a waste of the matter that God used to create you. Psycopath, dont send me anymore comments.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
Why call him names and accuse him of being psychotic? What you commented is completely immature and unnecessary. Learn to be a little more tolerant of others' opinions, will you?
emperorpenguinsrule 2 months ago
@emperorpenguinsrule , His opinion was disgusting. Go back and read it.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute I've read his opinion and it makes sense. I can see pregnancy being a parasitic disease that can potentially kill the host. And if the host wants to get rid of said parasite, she can go through the procedure to have it removed. This is an extremely cynical way of viewing pregnancy and abortion; and it may not be with what you agree with, but it's not disgusting.
emperorpenguinsrule 2 months ago
@emperorpenguinsrule Thank you for not being one of the many completely naive and ignorant people on youtube. I don't even fully support that theory, I was just giving him the other side of the story.
andydude30 2 months ago
@andydude30 , No i didnt make a fool of myself. I dont take back nothing I said.The argument you made regardless of where or who it comes from is disgusting. I dont care what other people think of what I say. I dont care if your agnostic or not. I never asked you.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute But you were implying that I actually believe in God punishing people. Look man, I don't see why you're getting so angry. If I came across as angry to you then I apologize, that was not my intent. I was only giving you a very, as novedzor said, cynical opinion towards abortion. I most definitely oppose abortion if it's only because someone does not want to be a parent after having consenting sex. Where I'm torn is when it comes to things like rape/sexual abuse.
andydude30 2 months ago
@andydude30 , Again, I never made a direct comment to you on religion, you are confused. it is never the babies fault. Let the argument about rape/sexual case drop dead. it wont work with me. It is never the babies fault. I appreciate you bringing it up for sake of argument though. I see you just want to make the conversation interesting. Good job.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@andydude30 , By the way kust to show you i am a step ahead of you, dont bother making comments like "but its not the victim of rapes fault for getting pregnant". No, that has nothing to do with the baby being aborted seperate the 2 cases dont mix them. Think of something else if I just took the words out your mouth.
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute Too bad I'm agnostic.And plus, I'm only giving you the other side of the story that I found after doing some research. I never said I fully supported it. You just wasted your time and made a fool of yourself nonetheless.
andydude30 2 months ago
Fuck your free trade
BROCKOLEE2617 2 months ago
I don't see how one can be an interventionist and anti-abortion whilst being a libertarian. Still, it's a damn good video.
lookit87 2 months ago 7
@lookit87 I don't see how one can be an interventionist and pro-abortion while being a Libertarian. Libertarian philosophy holds firm to the idea of non-aggression and pro-life. This of course always opens up the debate to the definition of life and when it begins. My accepted defintion of life is: "an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, and reaction to stimuli." therefore abortion is an act of aggression and is inconsistent with the tenets Libertarianism.
JRudolph86 2 months ago
@JRudolph86 "Libertarian philosophy holds firm to the idea of non-aggression and pro-life" It's not necessarily an act of aggression. Even if we were to grant that the fetus/embryo were alive and, more pertinently, a person, the cessation of a woman and the fetus/embryo living inside of her is no different than a person denying the things needed to save another person's life which is a non-aggressive yet death-inducing act. Still stands accordingly with Libertarian philosophy.
lookit87 2 months ago
@lookit87 Yeah, the quality is good. The content sucks though. If one wishes to "learn liberty" then a good place to start is by studying folks who know something about it (See Chomsky, Zinn, Said, and any other of those who actually understand the subject, and have participated in it)
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
@kropotkinbeard1 That's cool, I'll check them out. Thanks.
lookit87 2 months ago
@lookit87 Not sure about your screen, but one of the vidoes listed on the right is a video by billburns2 entitled 'Why Libertarianism is Wrong'. I suggest dealing with his arguments before diving into the shallow cesspool of "libertarianism" so that you can learn about it and drop it now before the indoctrination gets too advanced. The greater the indoctrination, the longer the deprogramming time.
kropotkinbeard1 2 months ago
Libertarian Totalitarian?
TreachMarkets 2 months ago in playlist More videos from LearnLiberty
Libertarian Interventionist: oxymoron. You can't just call yourself something and advocate an opposing view, and slap it onto the end.
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Humans don't deserve much; they do deserve a coupon for tgi fridays and a $50 gift certificate to wal-mart. You know, a consolation prize that says hey thanks for fuckin playing.
paradoxparody 2 months ago
What does it mean to be a libertarian? It means you're a douche bag!
TestedBR 2 months ago
@TestedBR it means maximum freedom limited government
exra82 2 months ago
@exra82 Maximum freedom and limited government? Now, that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. Maximum freedom would sanction murder or any other form of aggression, Libertarianism calls for moral restraint where aggressive actions come into play, uncoincidentally this is also where the necessity for limited government comes in- to hold aggressors acountable for their actions and to dissuade individuals from acting on their primal instinct to covet their neighbor's fortunes.
JRudolph86 2 months ago
@JRudolph86 how that an oxymoron? you think Libertarians want everything legal? Including murder? Name one
exra82 2 months ago
@exra82 To the contrary, read my comment again.
JRudolph86 2 months ago
@JRudolph86 Ron Paul was an example of a Libertarian and he didn't believe that
exra82 2 months ago
@TestedBR how so?
subscribefori 2 months ago
Libertarian political events are really fun. It's always great to meet ten new dudes and the chick who's sleeping with them.
generalbullmoose 2 months ago
I like libertarians. I think everyone should own one.
generalbullmoose 2 months ago
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A libertarian is another fool who thinks they know how everyone else should think.
getzuha 2 months ago
I used to a libertarian but then I took an arrow to the knee.
Giftoftruth 2 months ago
THE PARTY OF THE FUTURE!!!
chitownsuperfan 2 months ago
FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - William Wallace
JIMBOND27 2 months ago
It means to be ignorant.
Commanderf6 2 months ago
Its funny how some liberals live in a false utopia. That all these entitlements will always be there, there will never be an economic collapse, a world war, a natural disaster? Anything can happen in the future, i don't want to give all my money into a system that commits terror acts on foreign countries, bails out corruptions, uses secrecy and torture's people (Now, U.S. citizens even?). Stop robbing me fascist government.
baydood510 2 months ago
Libertarianism: A society where everyone fends for themselves so that the strong can dominate the weak until society is eventually ruled entirely by a small group of rich people
Like Al Capone said, it is a thug economy where you take as much as possible and to hell with the consequences
Choose genuine freedom instead: where you have the power to act without political coercion or restraint AND without economic coercion or restraint so long as u dont reasonably violate that same right in others
kajmobile 2 months ago
@kajmobile haha good one
baydood510 2 months ago
Libertarians are a bunch of dogmatic loons
TheOkham 2 months ago
This guy's definition of Libertarian doesn't describe any self-identified Libertarians I've ever met/heard of.
uberjim83 2 months ago
@uberjim83 he's right on a few things but saying intervention in other countries is libertarian, is just wrong, if the chinese forced their will on us with military bases and such that is an initiation of force and therefore cannot be libertarian...
dualberettas 2 months ago
Oh, another youtube video promoting the free markets, free-trade, and freedom. Those old ideas are not aligned with the progression of the New National Social Democratic Party. Debt and dependency are the new goals.
How much freedom should people be allowed? That's for our dictators to decide?
Solverwiz 2 months ago
Libertarianism is the most heavily subsidized idea since the catholic church. It would never survive the free market of ideas without massive corporate patronage. The same people that become libertarians also become Marxist. They are wishful thinking Utopians that think they are pragmatists since they are cynical about one aspect of human nature. Their system works beautifully in their imaginations because no one breaks the rules ones their magic system is in place.
michalchik 2 months ago
Ayn Rand sucks cock!
quote55 2 months ago
@quote55 Ayn Rand was an objectivist, not a Libertarian.
Pure libertarianism takes too much power away from the government. A government with no power serves no useful purpose. In libertarianism, there is no public policy, due to the fact that it infringes upon an individual's liberties. This means that you do not have anything protecting a person's liberties from other people and businesses.
I do realise, though, that not all libertarians believe in pure libertarianism.
UnoriginalUsername06 2 months ago
@UnoriginalUsername06 Hey! Guess what? Fuck Ayn Rand!
quote55 2 months ago
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, why do these videos keep coming up the PROMOTED section of every god damn video!!!!
leftwingersunited 2 months ago
@leftwingersunited Because they're awesome!!!
FreakyKing2 2 months ago
What does it mean to be a Libertarian?
You're either: a) A spoiled rich kid conservative who wants to smoke weed legally, or b) a "liberal" who failed the shit out of economics and history courses.
whatisahumans 2 months ago
@whatisahumans Hmmm I'm a Libertarian and I'm neither of those.
MoonbatKiller 2 months ago
To be a Libertarian is to live in La La land.
RichardsBrosFilms 2 months ago
What does it mean to be a libertarian? To be a retard
MammalAnonymous 3 months ago
@MammalAnonymous - Better than being a liberal.
sxehitman007 2 months ago
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Goat121390 3 months ago
Americans supported free trade until the Japanese made better products like cars, then they are against it. LOL.
lysol5555 3 months ago
Libertarianism=Anarchists who worship property rights, contracts, and Ayn Rand
wangsta25 3 months ago
@wangsta25 anarchists...eh that depends. I certainly feel that some basic government is needed to maintain an ordered society.
Rithal101 3 months ago
Libertarians, democrats, republicans... all just distractions.
AnotherAgnostic 3 months ago
Is there an informed argument against libertarianism, or are they all just unfounded insults?
bdparks191 3 months ago
What is it like to be a libertarian: a confused conservative, lol,
Fruscianteistheman 3 months ago
@Fruscianteistheman I am an atheist who favors limited government, and in this there is NO contradiction.
Would you call me a "confused conservative?"
You see, abortion and gay rights have absolutely NOTHING to do with the economy. NOTHING. Why the republicans tend to have placed their economic position and (in general) their "christian" position under the same wing... I have no idea. Republicans are confused.
pburto 3 months ago
@Fruscianteistheman No.
JJAB91 3 months ago
For example, anyone who makes fun of people for not believing in their points of view, and then goes on to arrogantly insult them with such sly remarks as "get a brain" are assholes that should be wiped with toilet paper (Beaten with steel bats)
antisadism 3 months ago
There are so many ideological philosophies in this world, but humanity forgets that there are only 2 types of people who really matter in this world. Not Republicans and Democrats, not liberals and conservatives, not Justin Bieber haters or lovers.
Its basically whether or not your an asshole or an non-asshole, thats what really matters.
antisadism 3 months ago
@antisadism libertarianism is simple.
anybody who is happy to see
you die under the bridge due to others greed or sadism
is a libertarian.
MrViTopol 3 months ago
is this jeopardy?
WVWVWVWWVVW 3 months ago
This is a very accurate video
RYDERkN 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
it means you're a dumbshit
RonbowDosh 3 months ago
i love being a libertarian but DO NOT PUT THIS UNDER PROMOTED VIDEOS,you will get the same wrap that the Mormon promoted video
l33thaxor33 3 months ago
@l33thaxor33 Muahahahah! Cant handle the eye of scrutiny, huh? Thought you guys WANTED people to hear the the good word, or whatever it is you people call it?
MUAHAHHAHAHAA PREPARE THE THOUGHTFUL CRITICISM!
grendelee 3 months ago
A libertarian. What is NOT my competition in 2012 but wants to think they are
RickPerryVEVO 3 months ago
Isn't it just the philosophy of liberty?
CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
Ron Paul 2012 !!!
SuperMeatsause 3 months ago 22
Take telephone poles in the city for example.
The telephone poles are erected mostly by government contracts, and all types of wire and lines runs through it which the private business use to provide services such as electricity, phone, internet, etc.
If the government is too limited, then we will have private companies fighting and monopolizing the poles for business.
So the government in fact provides a strong foundation for businesses to thrive, anyone that deny it need to get a brain.
Neosaigo 3 months ago 18
@Neosaigo How the hell does a private industry become a monopoly without government privileges?
superlucci 3 months ago
@Neosaigo If the wires were privately owned, businesses would be competing for the usage of those wires, and the ones who will end up using those wires are the businesses that give the most amount of people the services they want, which is why they had the money to begin with. They would also be better maintained because the business responsible for the poles would have a greater vested interest in the efficient maintenance of the poles.
krakatoa0mikel 3 months ago
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Ravengaurd6 3 months ago
that's fine. the The bottom line with Libertarianism is ALTERNATIVES . no matter what it is, if the person concerned can make a better choice then freedom is working. that's how quality is assured through choice. if public contracts bring the best possible outcomes than so be it. but it should be said that one good outcome makes ALL public outcomes necessarily good.skepticism of central powers in both the private and public sectors must be at an all time high. it's what people AGREE to.
Ravengaurd6 3 months ago
@Neosaigo As opposed to gov't monopolizing various industries and give contracts to companies that can afford the best/most lobbyists? Free market competition will sort this out and deliver the most cost efficient and highest quality product to meet market demands. Think outside the box will develop your brain. :)
sga86 3 months ago
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ronpaulOisOtigger 3 months ago