20.5.1960 Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) vs Alan Hudson

[NDoraku]

when took this fight place? early 1960?

[Fania54]

Look at that! I'm proud of you. You took my advice. You cleaned up your act just a little bit. See? People can learn. Frankly though, if you think you need to "win", if it's important to you, well then, even though you achieved nothing (other than an English lesson), go ahead. You "win", whatever that means. I really don't need to win, not here. Have a nice day, and keep up the good work! Watch those typos (spelling) and punctuation, though. OK?

[juancho39]

the last lesson cassius clay learned was humility.

[MrKeepnit100]

what peole don't see his that Ali HAD power just not as much so in the Heavyweight division because bigger men can take bigger hits, but as a Light Heavyweight his punch was dominant against other light heavyweights

[lexicuti4eva]

Alan Hudson is my great uncle, and I had no idea he was a boxer. My mom told me last year right before the family reunion. RIP

[Ali3009ify]

he didn't have his dancing style in the olympics, when did he pick it up

[nastylefthook1]

lumpagogo,, most wars have agendas that have nothing to do with self defense,,our entrance into world war 1 was pushed on us by the zionists signers of balfour agrement with england,,ww2 was world zionisisms anger with germanys treatment of jews long before any halocaust knowledge,,the korean and vietnam wars were global positioning to counter soviet expansion,,,,united states could have avoided all these wars without any real threat to usa,,cassius clays situation was unnecessary and a circus

[scouser5555]

haha ali elbowed the reff in the face

[mysteria31]

He refused to kill people so we wouldn't let him beat'em up either

[rawcer]

Hey there, that's George Carlin's line; give credit where credit is due.

[HSJ90]

"failed to serve his country"? I don't think killing innocent Vietnamise people would be serving your country either.

[nastylefthook1]

hsj90 ,,,,,yes the vietnam war historically has been decredited as useless and contrived,,,,,,but at the time 1965 it was perceived by most as a war that had value for american interest,,,,,,cassius clay chose not to serve in that climate,,,if he did so for alledged religious reasons,,i would give him a pass,,,,but if he wants to hide behind religion,,,why was he such a cheater and serial adulterer in defiance of muslim religous teachings,,,,,fucking hypocrit

[sparkz2112]

cause no1 is perfect...i mean that MIGHT be why...just sayin

[lumpagogo]

nasty:

In defence of Cassius X, we must yield that he should not have been drafted in that he was singled out. How many other pro boxers were 'invited' by Uncle Sam? Very, very few.

[bangitslo]

@nastylefthook1 Say that to him in person with his crew around him you worthless fucking prick!

[youssefb1988]

nastylefthook....no-one cares if you still think of him as Cassius Clay, he is known across the world as Muhammad Ali. And for the record, it took alot more guts to stand up for his beliefs than to go to war.

Also, have you heard the stuff Frazier had said about Ali recently? Doesn't sound like a decent man to me.

[ipitythefo0l1]

if he had gone to war he would not have needed to even be in danger. the louisville group would have ensured that, he could of just coasted while fighting the odd exhibition. it took more guts not to go.

[takamurasaoringhawk]

how muhammad ali fights im hoping no one got punch drunk:(

[Ruii123]

You guys don't understand why he changed his name because you's have not simply read or plunged through the history of Muhammad Ali,

He changed it because Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr was the name given to him at birth, following the slaves name, and he did not want to be known after a slavemasters name (who does?) Thus, he respects all black people and he converted into a Muslim.

That's just brief though.

[Kawaneshine1989]

s75115 needs to go to a psychiatrist. Hate only brings hate and do you enjoy that? I know you don't.You just don't wanna admit it. Stubborn old man.

[Sp0rtsFan2008]

you're a moron. that is all

[tommyrock69]

ALI!

[NightRider2222]

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee, cant hit what he cant see.

still like ali more than anyone else.

[54spiritedwill54]

dios nadie sera mas anal q este morenaso!!!

[cjmooney9]

Iconic champ. But plenty of Heavyweights equal to him, to the seasoned fan

[dinglenutzz]

poetry in motion

float like a butterfly...sting like a bee

anyone who flames Cassius Clay is an ignorant moronwho obviously knows jack about boxing. And yes my opinion Cassius wouldve beaten Marciano it wouldve gone the distance, but Clay woudve rope a doped him and plain wore him down...like a sculpture to marble

[NilNiz]

Cassius clay (ali) o verdadeiro fenomeno!

[Allritemat]

If a man wants to be known by another name then fairdos and you have to respect his wishes. Anyone here like those Marion Morrison westerns? I mean John Wayne westerns?

[sf75115]

Cassius Clay had parents who gave him his name, Cassius Clay is a loser for disrespecting his parents. What a low IQ stupid loser, and a selfish coward.

[HSJ90]

Fania54 He changed his name to Muhammad Ali (although not officially) after he beat Sonny Liston in 1964, so in this video he's Cassius Clay. So is it disrespectful to call him with his birth name?

[Fania54]

I really don't want to split hairs here, but since you know a bit about Ali, you also know he he was particularly cruel in the ring to any fighter who refused to call him by his chosen name. You can play with the time frame any way you want. Referring to Ali as Cassius Clay today, is just clueless in my opinion.

[HSJ90]

But that cruelness (or whatever the correct word is) came along only after he "changed" his name.

Ali taunted Ernie Terrell in 1967 saying "What's my name?" and beat him to the punch all night long.

And as you know he WAS known as Cassius Clay even during the first Liston fight in 1964 and after that fight he announced that he shall be called Muhammad X, and later he changed it to Muhammad Ali.

So during this video he is Cassius Clay.

[HSJ90]

But I know what you mean. If a man wants to be recognized by other than his birth name, so be it. But he should've changed his name legally so that today there wouldn't be any wiseasses (like myself) referring to him as Cassius Clay.

[JcLeopard]

@HSJ90 I myself refer to Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay in all of his fights before the 2nd Liston Fight. Mainly because it was at that point that it changed but also because he seemed to become a different person at that point. Ali said that he was afraid of Liston and bragged not only to psyke Liston out but to psyke himself out as well. He said that after that fight he never feared another man in the ring.

[Fania54]

@HSJ90 Can't argue with that.

[tommyrock69]

I teach at his Alma Mater- Louisville Central. We refer to him as Muhammad Ali.

[superhuther]

@Fania54 nah man ur pretty stupid to not call Ali -- ALI before 1965. There is no Muhammad Ali golden glove fight. Only a Cassius Clay in this one. He is later reborn as Ali and this then becomes his new name..

Stop arguing semantics and acting you like know your ass from your face seriously.

[Fania54]

@superhuther OK genius, read my post (from 2 years ago) again carefully this time. Nice and slow so you can maybe understand it. Show me where I said Ali should not be referred to as anything but Ali. Now, read my quote, read it slowly, read it a few times, maybe you'll get it. I said " Referring to Ali as Cassius Clay today, is just clueless in my opinion". Your post is rambling and makes little sense. You need to work on that, lose the ebonics, and the hostility. It only makes you look foolish

[superhuther]

@Fania54 wow you really ramble and seem to be arguing with 2-3 people who arent me. Ill keep this short since this seems to be the height of your intellectual peak (youtube arguments). You said referring to Ali as Clay is cluessless EVEN THOUGH IT HIGHLIGHTS A TIME-LINE OF HIS AMATEUR CAREER, makes you sound stupid.. thats all I was trying to say.

Good game I win again..

NEXT

[copperpotbaby]

@Fania54 The top man in the nation of islam, Elijah Mohammed, gave Clay his new name! He was a man with no morals who had numerous children from affairs and preached hatred towards whites! Their sole purpose was to take the land and kill or whites! Terrell and Patterson wouldn't call him by that name for these reasons only! After his death in 1975, I think, Elijah's son took over and changed the group's views; Today, they are aligned to modern beliefs of Islam! He's Clay man!

[Fania54]

@copperpotbaby I'm not trying to piss you off, but you have some pretty strong views, and speak early in your post as if you know quite a bit about the Muslims. Then you sau you "think" Elijah's son took over. If you don't know a key point like that, for sure, your credibility on everything else is shaky at best.

[copperpotbaby]

@Fania54 I must apologise if u have such a high I.Q. , that u never forget facts so think that just because I used the word, "Think", that I'm unsure of everything else that I wrote! I never once claimed that I knew anything about Muslims and I don't want to either; I'd prefer to have my eyes taken out than to learn about such a faith! This page is for boxing fans to discuss and my comment was made because it refers to Ali's life, but it has nothing to do with any interest in Muslims!

[copperpotbaby]

@Fania54 Referring to Ali as being cruel is completely the wrong way to describe such a genius, one who brought both races together at a time of intolerant racial issues! All those who incite racial hatred and encourage others to plant bombs, on trains in the U.K., are both cruel murderers who have no courage! All those who abuse our laws to scream abuse at dead soldiers, all while using our benefit system, r pathetic and WORTHLESS! Our laws r changing here for the better! Ali is an icon!

[copperpotbaby]

@Fania54 It's plain obvious that haven't even heard of the nation of islam because their views had nothing to do with other muslims! They were black muslims, so before u criticise my knowledge I suggest u had better look up these differences yourself!

[copperpotbaby]

@copperpotbaby If u have such an interest in the Nation of Islam and its association with Ali, then I suggest that u look all that I have written up on the internet! You've also claimed that Ali was "Cruel" in the ring, but boxing is a violent sport and do u think that Henry Cooper was any less crueller when he hit him with his "Hammer?" In fact, Ali and both Frazier were the greatest and bravest fighters of modern times; Adored by crowds, but sadly suffer from the effects today!

[suffern63]

@Fania54 Perhaps,but it it any more "clueless" than Ali referring to a fellow black man as a gorilla?Ali was merciless with his opponents out of the ring and frankly many of his views when seen today are embarrassing. I wonder what weight he was in this fight.

[Fania54]

@suffern63 I agree with you.Hey I never said Ali was a saint,and I disliked the way he treated a nice guy like Joe Frazier.I think the way he treated his opponents,was Ali feeding the media what they expected from him,a unique and funny personality,not to mention,no one could hype a fight and sell tickets like Ali. Ali's skill as a boxer would have made him a legend,but his amazing persona elevated him even more to the status of unbelievable fame and glory he has enjoyed for most of his life.

[Fania54]

"Cassius Clay"? You guys don't even have enough respect to refer to him by his chosen name? Shameful...

[captaintanuki]

I respect Muhammed Ali. He is the greatest. But I personally would never change my name. I believe to change my name would be to disrespect my parents and my family and to deny who I really am. So I don't honestly understand why he changed his name. But he's still the greatest !

[bigpotato8]

Go watch the movie"Ali".you might understand.He Converted to islam ,and he wanted people to realize that and respect it,He chose to live a free life

[sf75115]

Cassius Clay would like to give him a hand job. He already shakes well, just needs something to grab on to, something we all know he would enjoy.

[BooBooLane]

Clay did catch Hudson with an overhand right which could possibly have also been called a right hook. Hudson was coming in and took the full weight of the punch.

Never again did Cassius throw such a perfect shot.

[sf75115]

Cassius Clay is over rated. A loser in and out of the ring.

[svenson03]

There is another video (Muhammad Ali- amateur clip) with 3 different fights. In the first one Clay is definetly younger than 18, in all of the fights he is apparently stripped to the waist, so I think fighting barechested was usual for amateurs in internal bouts in the US in those times, and they wore vests only in international bouts like the Olympics. Can anybody confirm?

[HSJ90]

And svenson03 Ali's first professional fight (according to BoxRec) is recorded in October the 29th 1960 against some journeyman Tunney Hunsaker and this video is dated May 1960.

By the way does anybody know which year the amateurs started to wear wests? Or have they wore them from the beginning of the amateur league?

[HSJ90]

He's probably Sonny Liston in 00:43, correct me if I'm wrong.

[HSJ90]

That's a good point but Ali clearly says in this video that this is a United States national golden gloves light heavyweight championship bout.

I'm not sure though.

[svenson03]

Are you sure that this is a golden gloves fight? This looks more like an early pro fight of Cassius clay after the Olympic games 1960. In amateur bouts the fighters wear vests and here they are apparently shirtless which indicates it is a professional bout.

[marianal22]

dios nadie sera mas anal q este morenaso!!!

[88guilly88]

sf is a faaaaaaaaagoooooooooooot!

[sf75115]

Cassius looks like he wants to give the other figher a hand job!

[mrbumpandgrind]

aint thath ving rhames in 00:43.. i could swear that he is..