Obama stated that the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the Supreme Court didn’t bring about redistributive change. watch?v=Sj4yIE9Dd90 He told Joe the Plumber in 2008, that he wanted to spread the wealth around. watch?v=PUvwKVvp3-o
Obama is a socialist. He took over the automobile, mortgage, banking, and health care industries via legislation and regulation. Govt is expected to own 70% up from 19% in 2008.
Al Sharpton believes that a vote for Obama was a vote for socialism. watch?v=KCpINI5aVy0 Al Sharpton wants to share the wealth. “Al Sharpton: We Won't Have True Social Justice Until Everything is Equal in Everybody's House” watch?v=95bcEb1rV18
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Sharpton should start by giving up his $5 million (from celebrity net worth com) It’s also worth noting Hilter was a socialist that seemed to follow the Communist Manifesto.
He is an absolute bigot, all the way to the bone. Hey Al, what about your crazy sacrificial god religion and its pedophilia harboring puppet master branch?
We have Mitt Romney... the greatest businessman every to run for the presidency. But I'm sure you'd rather have Obama continue to drive our country into the ground with his disasterous policies, huh? Some libs never learn.
If al sharpton didn't have racism to blame, he'd 1) be out of a job, and 2) possibly get stoned to death just out of principle of being a racist asshole. Frankly, in a perfect world.... all the racist skin-heads, kkk, etc. would be locked in an arena with all the al sharptons of the world, and they could just kill each other off. Boom. Racism ends.
What bigot....ignore this a-hole...he knows nothing of God...he knows only hate, hate, hate and any christian knows where hate comes from....now, who's side are you on? Oh no...could I have just commited a hate crime??? God help us all!
Wow, another ignorant and very stupid racist. It's amazing how you racists always seem capable of adopting a superior attitude. What a joke! Superior to what, that's what I'd like to know? Pond slime will fare better than you in this life and the next.
So I guess you must be the stereotypical atheist... biggoted, arrogant, entitled, and prone to making ridiculous assumptions huh? Why do people like you always take the outliers and try to pretend they represent the median? Reverend Al is much more of a politician than he is a pastor anyway. Let his biggoted comments stand on their own merits rather than attributing them to Christ and his followers.
Though it has followers, I doubt that the gospel of yukonblowmie has any substance or future.
Sorry, but your question shows that you're one of those who isn't capable of grasping an answer to this. Perhaps Rev Wright's tirades would appeal to you.
I'm happy to see that you can understand and acknowledge Al's religious bigotry. But, since when did anyone ever consider Shapton politically correct? The only attempt he ever made in this direction was when he attempted to apologize for these statements. It was really a pathetic attempt at best.
no it isnt, but its the same thing. Are you suggesting that race is more significant than say ones religion, or sex, or creed. bigotry does not mean race
One bigoted comment doesn't deserve another guys. Yes Al Sharpton can get away with whatever racist or bigoted remarks he wishes because he's black, but that's just the way it is in America. Turning around and making bigoted comments the other way out of anger just multiplies the ignorance by two in my opinion.
I agree with this completely. I don't like Al's tactics, politics, or bigotted remarks, but the way to respond against them is NOT helped by using racist or bigotted comments ourselves. Using profanity-laced tirades also only brings down one's cause.
who is sharpton to even comment on somebody winning an election, let alone make bigoted comments while doing so. Last time I checked Al Sharpton couldn't even buy himself an election. I'm sick of his hypocritical actions and his persistent strive for attention within the media.
So anyone with a political affiliation is bad? Nah, I don't agree. This is too much of a generalization. Bush is right on some things and wrong on others. There's no reason to personally demean or demonize him. I'm sure even Sharpton has his good points. This video definitely showcased a bad one though.
First of all I think that it is typical of any church to hate the mormons. Part of the reason I have mormons is that they claim that their book of mormon is an equal to the books in the bible just because they have been around for 150 years. They tend to think that they are always right and their religion teaches them that we are all damned to hell regardless of our religion or lifestyle if we are not mormon.
ZSparkman, thanks for letting me know that you HATE mormons, and practice religious bigotry. It's funny that this seems to be a requirement of your religion. It's no wonder you're a Sharpton defender/supporter. LDS Churchmembers don't hate Catholics, Protestants, or people of any faith. We do claim to have a Gospel restored by the Savior that bares his name, but then the Bible does say that there is "one Lord, one faith, and one baptism".
Actually quite the contrary, mormonism is one of the only religions that teaches that everyone will get a chance to have the truth and no one will go to hell for ignorance.
Mormons do not believe that everyone that is not Mormon is going to hell. If they did they wouldn't have the three degrees of glory. Do your research....
The comments on your personal profile decrying your blatant racial and religious bigotry will serve fine here as a rebuke of your overwhelming ignorance.
I also think that Al Sharpton should be treated he same as Don Imus was, because Al Sharpton has been in the civil rights movement and is more than just a talk radio host. Also, you can't end the career of Al Sharpton, he is a preacher. A biggotted remark towards a mormon wont make as much of an impact as one that is racial to another regardless of religion.
ZSparkman, Sharpton is also a political figure who has ran for President. He throws his weight around politically much more than Don Imus ever dreamed of. Because Sharpton is a preacher, he should've known better than to make bigoted statements about Romney's beliefs. Both Catholic and Protestant groups condemned him for this, and he also admitted his error and apologized. So if other Christians and even he himself recognize his comments as wrong, why don't you?
"i am angry about the anger towards him" Zsparkman, the anger was due to his thoughtless condescension in his remark, as well as the way he went on the attack in his efforts to defend himself. Waging more attacks against Mormons when trying to say he didn't mean to attack in the first place only reinforces the belief that he really did mean it.
" don't want to start any arguments or harsh words, but most of the reason I don't want Mitt Romney as president is that he is conservative." Zsparkman, I don't want to argue this either, but this is why I support him. He's strong on national defense, a healthy economy, and family values. These are good things.
right because national defence and family values and a "healthy economy" is what they all want until they get into office and can make the rich richer and the poor poorer. By "they all" I mean all of our politicians that are hard right wingers. You people will never learn...
Romney can hardly be called a "hard rightwinger". He's a middle-of-the-road conservative. Look at his healthcare insurance legislation, and then pretend he simply wants to make "the rich richer and the poor poorer". This is the effect Hillary will have by taxing energy and business to death, but Mitt will strengthen our economy in ways she can't even dream about. He's been called America's greatest businessman by several credible sources.
All mormons make great business people because they are so good at lying and decieving. That is why people like Romney, they are to stupid to see that he lies. America doesnt need any more presidents that will emarass us!
More ignorant generalizations by the self-revealed religious bigot ZSparkman. You're the one embarassing yourself here. What a great representative and defense you make for Al Sharpton. He must be proud.
Let's see, is Sharpton a different race than Romney? Yes. However, we're talking about religious bigotry, not racial bigotry. The Catholic League and the Evangelical National Clergy Council decried his statements as bigoted. Comments can be bigoted in both racial and religious areas.
Thanks for the definition of bigotry wyatt, and the application of this by Sharpton against Romney's religion was clear. He didn't make racist statements, but he did make bigoted ones.
You are indeed welcome and absolutely. Sharpton has come a long way from the Civil Rights movement with comments like this, especially considering it was Romney's father that led a parade of thousands, as Governor of Michigan, against the racism in Alabama. A Mormom in leadership was good enough to march for the rights of African Americans but not to run for President? Uff dah
Now that Al Sharpton has met with leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, done his penance, and fully apologized... perhaps his followers can follow his lead? Way to go Al, you stood up and took this like a man.
i dont exactly approve of mormonism, but the morons in the lower levels of their church, just think its another denomination, they dont know its another religon
"the morons in the lower levels of their church, just think its another denomination" -- of what? Are you saying members of the LDS church think they're Baptists, Catholics, or something else? I can't say I approve of your logic or apparant ignorance.
I have a few friends who r "exMormons" who left for different reasons. One of them said, he realized that "The Book of Mormon" was FAKE. But if u ask me, "What isn't?"
Wow, what an honor HelpMeObiiWan. Your profile says that you joined yesterday and that you have viewed 1 video. Your comment shows that my video is your first ever youtube comment. Tell me, how is it that you have a few friends that are ex-Mormons? Are there so many Mormons in your society that bumping into several ex-Mormons is commonplace? Also, are you merely going to take the word of these ex-Mormons, or do you have the fortitude to look into this for yourself?
ganzaboy, one more thing. I wish you could have had the same experience as I, in discussing the gospel with Maria Herrebrugh. She was a Nun (in Japan) who ran a large hospital. She eventually left the Catholic Church and converted to the LDS faith, and was married to a wonderful LDS man in the Temple. She is one of the most spiritual, happy people that I have ever known, and has felt very blessed and happy with her choice.
Johnny, we are probably not going to make any progress. You can have the last word. I am sure that your beliefs are deeply rooted and have been taught to you all your life. I do not think LDS are going to hell, etc. If we were having a face to face debate on this, I would invite you to mass and agree to listen to your lessons, etc. Goodbye and God Bless.
ganzaboy, you're wrong about me. I converted to the LDS faith after reading and praying about the Book of Mormon when I was 18, just as I had done with the Bible at 15 in becoming a Christian. I believe that we are all children of a loving Father in Heaven who sent his Son Jesus Christ to help us to become like Him. Please see Revelation 3:20, 21.
One more thing Johnny, can you tell me of any Mormons who have received the stigmata. Also, any Fatima like appreances. Remember, Mary prophesized that two of the children would die young and the third would live very long. Foretold of the Assination attempt on JPII. Anything like that ever happpen to a Mormon???
Thanks for the Catholic folklore ganzaboy. You might find it hard to believe, but none of that seems to have made it into the KJV of the Bible. LDS Church members experience the signs that Christ promised, including healing of the sick and all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Thanks for asking, but if you really believed in these things you would look into all that Joseph Smith and subsequent Prophets have received.
Folklore. Padre Pio died in 1969. It was not folklore. If you want to read folklore, open up the Book of Mormon. There is ZERO archeological evidence to support it, despite the best efforts of LDS to do so. Also, the stimatists and Fatima were long after the death and ressurection of Christ you Rhodes Scholar, so of course its not in the bible.
I have a book called Ancient America Speaks (1 of 20 in a Time/Life set) that shows pictures from South American Temples. Some of these stories correspond exactly with those in the Book of Mormon. There is also a "Tree of Life" stone carving that matches Lehi's vision of the Tree of Life in the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith prophesied specifically about the Civil War would, even though he died in 1844. Just because you're ignorant of the evidence, doesn't mean there isn't any.
Joseph Smith prophesied that the war would commence with the secession of South Carolina. Is this what a lot of politicos were thinking 20 years before it happened?
Gee, it seems as if you have trashed just about all of mainstream Christianity in your tirades. How exactly does that differentiate you from your criticism of Al? Oh, yeah, he said LDS God is different in an uneloquent manner. Deny or Affirm this and end the discussion: Does LDS beleive "As god is man may become. As man is , god once was." Do you think you will be a god? Yes or No answer please.
You think I'm "trashing" Christianity by quoting examples of their racial history? Look who's afraid of the truth. Rather than using the ignorant slander that you use, I prefer to site reputable sources for my references. I haven't even brought out the big guns in showing Catholic complicity in genocide yet. I'm afraid that since you don't know your own history, it might be too much for you. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, especially when you seem to be naked.
Before we go there Mountain Meadows Johnny, can you answer my question from the above post. Regarding ignorant slander, I quoted the friggin website you referred me to.
"They came into the world slaves, mentally and physically. Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation. Go into Cincinnati or any city, and find an educated negro, who rides in his carriage, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability." Prophet Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Vol. 5, 217.
The founder of American evangelicalism, George Whitefield, "urged kinder treatment of slaves, but noted that cruelty can have the positive effect of heightening 'the sense of their natural misery,' thereby increasing receptivity to the Christian message." Emerson and Smith, Divided by Faith, 26.
"According to the 1998 National Congregations Study, about 90 percent of American congregations are made up at least 90 percent of people of the same race." Emerson and Smith, Divided by Faith, 136.
"Still in 1964, no more than 10 per cent of the white Protestant congregations had Negroes worshiping with them. Even these 10 per cent had only a few members or occasional attenders, so that throughout the US probably no more than 1 per cent of all Negroes worshiped in integrated congregations on Sunday mornings." J.C. Hough, Black Power and White Protestants: A Christian Response to the New Negro Pluralism (New York: Oxford University Press, 1968), 177.
"The most extensive research on integration was undertaken jointly by the United Lutherans, Congregational Christians, and Presbyterians (U.S.A.). They found that 1,331 out of 13,597 predominantly white churches have nonwhite members or attenders. That is just short of 10 per cent." Robert Root, Progress Against Prejudice: The Church Confronts the Race Problem (New York: Friendship Press, 1957), 59.
"The black Methodist church, created not from a desire to be separate but from a desire to worship without discrimination at the hands of white brethren, was to become the most enduring legacy of Methodism's refusal to accord the black communicant all of the rights and privileges of membership in the body of Christ." Forrest G. Wood. The Arrogance of Faith: Christianity and Race in America from the Colonial Era to the Twentieth Century (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1990), 318.
"By the 1830's most southern evangelicals had thoroughly repudiated a heritage that valued blacks as fellow church members." Nathan O. Hatch, The Democratization of American Christianity (New Haven, Connecticut: Yale University Press, 1989), 107.
"Virtually all Protestant denominations have separate Negro churches, and thus the areas of association for religious purposes have been very small." Thomas F. Gossett, Race: The History of An Idea in America (New York: Oxford University Press, 1963), 447.
"So often Negroes in Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia and other places have been taken to that tree that bears strange fruit. And do you know that the folk lynching them are often big deacons in the Baptist churches and stewards in the Methodist churches feeling that by killing and murdering and lynching another human being they are doing the will of Almighty God? The most vicious oppressors of the Negro today are probably in church."
In response to King's famous "I Have a Dream" speech that his children might one day play together with white children, [Billy] Graham, who had been invited but did not attend the 1963 March on Washington, said: "Only when Christ comes again will little white children of Alabama walk hand in hand with little black children." Richard O. Emerson and Christian Smith, Divided by Faith: Evangelical Religion and the Problem of Race in America (New York: Oxford University Press, 2000), 47.
"he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile." 2 Nephi 26:33 (Book of Mormon, LDS Scriptures)
Even as late as 1985, black bishops in the Roman Catholic Church, constituting only 3 percent of the total American bishops, complained about racial bias in the church, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times, November 14, 1985, I-5.
REcently my pastor who is black and the holiest man I know was made a Bishop. He never complained about ANYTHING. Have you ever talked to a black Catholic priest or bishop? I doubt it.
ganzaboy, I'm not surprised your Bishop hasn't complained to you about racism, but why would he? Are you a Cardinal, or someone with authority over him? If you would like to dispute the LA Times article, feel free to, but please site sources other than yourself.
The LA Times reports news. Did the Catholic Church dispute the Black Bishops that were the source of the 1985 article? If so, you shouldn't have any problem finding their rebuttle.
To try and get back on point. Al S, claimed the LDS god was different becasue of the belief that their god was an exhulted mormon. Christians beleives that God became a man in the form of Jesus Christ, but man never became God. If that is not what LDS beleives, correct me with a difinitive no answer. If it is what LDS beleives, there was some substance in what Al S said, although the delivery could have been better.
ganzaboy, getting back on subject, for Al to claim that Romney and Mormons do not believe in God is simply a provocation and slur. Sharpton's faith also differs from Quakers, Jews, and Catholics, but would he dare say that the differences mean that they don't believe in God? This is ridiculous and offensive, despite your best efforts and arguments against it.
I disagree. The Christian God, the Jewish Yawheh, and the Muslim Allah are all supreme beings. The God in the Old Testatment was "I am." The beginning and the end, the Alpha and the Omega. LDS has a view of their god that beleives he is an exhulted mormon. If that is their view of god, it is different from the I Am.
For your information ganzaboy, you don't seem to understand the scriptures or your own Catholic history. Christ declared himself to be the great "I Am", the God of the Old Testament, or Yawheh. He also declared his Father to be greater than himself, as the scriptures record. Constantine did away with the true belief that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were distinct beings.
The burning bush with Mosses "I am who Am." I understand my religion fine, thank you. I may not be able to quote scripture left and right, but I know my God (I Am, the Alpha and the Omega, Yawheh) is not an exhulted mormon.
In the first place, "Mormons" don't believe the Prophet Mormon was a Mormon. He was a Christian. We certainly don't believe God was "an exaulted (get the spelling right) Mormon". The fact that you know nothing about the true character of God takes nothing away from us. Quit trying to pretend that you know anything about Latter-Day Saints or our doctrine.
My faith differs from Al's, but Al at least knows that God is not an exhulted mormon. I notice you never have a comeback for the LDS beleif that their god is an exhutled mormon. Do you dispute por refuidiate this belief?
"Do you dispute por refuidiate this belief?" Have you dipped into the sacramental wine tonight or something? What do you think you know about the character of God? Do you think you can adequately explain your concept of the Trinity and its origin? If you want to align yourself with Al Sharpton's ignorance, that's fine with me.
Ok spelling bee champ. Do you dispute the belief that the LDS version of god, the creator of earth was an exaulted mormon. Yes or No will be sufficient.
"I doubt you will be able to muster one and will resort to calling me names" ganzaboy, you're right about me having a life, but it seems that before I could respond, you succumbed to name calling. How sad. You've proven to be selective in acknowledging the truth about LDS racial views, and now you've proven to be hypocritical as well. Oh well, I never expected anything else from you anyway. This seems to qualify you for the "wuss" title.
Selective truth?? You are the one promoting black lds . org. PArt of my "selective" issues regarding LDS not giving black who built the Salt Lake temple their endowments come directly from that site. Hyprcritical?? Please elborate or concede that I have throughly whipped your ass in this debate.
Gee, Johnny, I know you, like me, have a life, but I am anxiously awaiting an intelligent respose to my latest posts. Because I have shot down all of your arguments, including info from the site you referred me to, I doubt you will be able to muster one and will resort to calling me names.
To try and get back on point. Al S, claimed the LDS god was different becasue of the belief that their god was an exhulted mormon. Christians beleives that God became a man in the form of Jesus Christ, but man never became God. If that is not what LDS beleives, correct me with a difinitive no answer. If it is what LDS beleives, there was some substance in what Al S said, although the delivery could have been better.
Both ganzaboy and LowKey76 need to check out the link that neuropathic posted below. You're way off base with your comments. Here it is again: blacklds . org . /mormon/history
Johnny, there were early blacks in LDS. Then Brigham Young had a vision that blacks could not enter the temple and denied them access to the Salt Lake temple they worked to build. Blacks were then banned from holding the priesthood until the prophet in 1978 claimed they were no longer unworthy, etc. Dispute me if you can, but this is to the best of my kowledge pretty accurate JohnnyP. If MittR gets the nomination, the Dems will tear him up on this.
There was no Brigham Young revelation on this. You don't know what you're talking about. Check out the link given to help bring you up to speed on this and then we can talk. BTW, show me a Christian religion that didn't grossly discriminate against blacks while your at this, ok? What religion, if any, are you?
BY Speech on dated Feb. 5, 1852 "the Lord told Cain that he should not receive the blessings of the preisthood nor his seed... If there never was a prophet, or apostle of Jesus Christ spoke it before, I tell you, this people that are commonly called negroes are the children of old Cain. I know they are, I know that they cannot bear rule in the preisthood, for the curse on them was to remain upon them, until the resedue of the posterity of Michal and his wife receive the blessings"
Continuing...See the above post Johnny, I do indeed know what I am talking about via real historical records and not the whitwashed LDS version. BTW, I am Catholic. For centuries, we have had black priests, bishops, Cardinals, and Saints.
ganzaboy, Catholics have had black priests, etc, for centuries? But Catholics have been around for a couple of millenia now, right? And what were the Popes' and regular Catholics' thoughts about blacks during slavery? Oh, Al Sharpton would eat you for breakfast over this!
You are the one who claimed I did not know what I am talking abouit regarding Brigham Young. Obviously I do. You asked about my religion and I told you, then you start attacking me for calling you out about being wrong on Brigham Young. How sad.
I reply to Al and You "Sixty years before Columbus discovered the New World, Pope Eugene IV condemned the enslavement of peoples in the newly colonized Canary Islands." Next
And lets not forget the Popes anti-Semitic and pro-Hitler comments during WWII, my Catholic friend. If you suppose that Catholics have any room to attack others over racial bigotry, you're sadly mistaken.
Johnny, Pius XII was silent during the NAzi's killing Jews during WWII. Let's not forget Rome was not liberted by the Allied until June, 1944. I challenge you to find a comment by Pius XII that is Pro Hitler.
"To the Illustrious Herr Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer and Chancellor of the German Reich! Here at the beginning of Our Pontificate We wish to assure you that We remain devoted to the spiritual welfare of the German people entrusted to your leadership.... "
Well, the war did not start until Sept 1939. I am pretty sure that before Hitler revealed his true evil self that many other persons of influence used words to address him. What's so bad about remaining devoted to the welfare of the German people? Had he attacked AH, he might have banned Catholicism. I am sure that would have been ok with you, right?
By this time Pacelli could call on the loyalty and devotion of a half-billion people, of which half the populations of Hitler's new Reich had become Catholics, including a quarter of the SS. At this time bishops, clergy, religious, and faithful had bound themselves to the Pope, and by his own self estimation, served as the supreme arbiter of moral values on earth. [Cornwell, p. 215]
Throughout the war, not only did Catholic priests pay homage to Hitler and contribute to the anti-Semitic feelings, several priests also protected Nazis from criminal charges. For example, Nazi sympathizers such as Bishop Alois Hudal helped Nazi criminals escape to South America by assisting them with false papers and hiding places in Rome.
In 1941 Croat Fascists declared an independent Croatia. Italy and Hungary (also a fascist state) joined forces with Hitler for a share of Yugoslavia. Hitler had issued his plan for a partitioned Yugoslavia, granting "Aryan" status to an independent Croatia under the Catholic Ante Pavelic.
This resulted in a campaign of terror and extermination conducted by the Ustashe of Croatia against two million Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and Communists between 1941 and 1945 (Note that the Croats were Roman Catholics, the Serbs were Orthodox Christians).
ganzaboy, it's too obvious that you've been dipping into the anti-Mormon literature or websites. How small of you. Someone that can't even spell these words has little hope of understanding them, and none if all you do is look from an anti-Mormon perspective. I take it that you have some sort of personal problem with Mormons. Sorry, but I'm not a psychologist.
One last thing before I leave you to yourself, Al Sharpton condemned anyone who is a member of a church that previously participated in bigotry. This covers Catholicism, and ALL the Protestant Churches. I could give you books full of quotes from Catholic and Protestant leaders that would leave no doubt in your mind of the racial bigotry, torture, and wholesale murder condoned by them through the practice of slavery. Mormons endured persecution for their abolutionist sentiments.
So you beleive LDS had NOTHING to do with Mountain Meadows. Regarding AntiMormon material, LDS material is not credible. Case in point, the pics of JS reading the golden plates looking like a scholar, when all of the records mention him looking into the hat. Regarding my spelling, I will polish my peep stone and do better.
Regarding your anti-Mormon bent, I see no reason to discuss Mountain Meadows or any other beat-to-death talking points. Many non-LDS historians have fairly concluded that this was an isolated incident that had everything to do with a few frightened locals and nothing to do with Church policy. The Church never participated in this or condoned it, but tried to prosecute those involved. Look it up for yourself from sources other than anti-Mormons.
I wonder why a Catholic would want to claim that another Christian faith was guilty of atrocities? Can you help me on this? Is there possibly anything in Catholic history that might give you a guilty conscience?
You still haven't answered me as to your awareness of Catholic atrocities. I can certainly understand why you would want to ignore this and shift the focus though.
Of course there were Catholic atrocities. Know why, becasue satan has indeed inflitrated the Catholic Church at times, especially those pedophile priests. Know why satan influenced at Catholic Church, b/c he knows it is the real thing. Satan probably does not give a shit about LDS.
According to the Biblical prophecy, Satan was to be given power to cause a complete apostasy from the Church that Christ established. This happened within the first century after his death. A period of darkness followed. A restoration of Christ's church was necessary, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was the result of this. God loves all of his children, and your saying he "does not give a shit about LDS" is just more proof of your ignorance about His true character.
You must have passed spelling and flunked comprehension. I said "Satan probably does not give a shit about LDS." Also, can you give me a quote (Chapt + verse of this biblical prop) to back up your claim?
You don't see this as the same thing? How illogical of you. If God loves his children then Satan wants to destroy them. The only way Satan won't care is if God doesn't. It's the same, and don't pretend you didn't mean this.
Apostasy of the early Christian church: This people draw near me with their mouth, Isa. 29: 10, 13. The Lord will send a famine of hearing the words of the Lord, Amos 8: 11, 12. Grievous wolves shall enter in among you, Acts 20: 29, 30. There will be a falling away before the Second Coming, 2 Thes. 2: 3. The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, 2 Tim. 4: 3-4.
"During the many years we spent in Germany, We did all in Our power to establish harmonious relations between Church and State. Now that the responsibilities of Our pastoral function have increased Our opportunities, how much more ardently do We pray to reach that goal. May the prosperity of the German people and their progress in every domain come, with God's help, to fruition!"
The following month on April 20, 1939, at Pope Pius's express wish, Archbishop Orsenigo, the nuncio in Berlin, opened a gala reception for Hitler's fiftieth birthday. The birthday greetings thus initiated by Pacelli immediately became a tradition; each April 20 during the few years left to Hitler and his Reich, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin would send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany,"
In 1917, Eugenio Pacelli, later to become Pope Pius XII, showed his first inkling of his unsympathetic feelings toward the Jews when he refused to come to the assistance of Jews and calling them a "Jewish cult." [Cornwell, p.70]. In a typewritten letter, he described "a gang of young women, of dubious appearance, Jews as like all the rest of them, hanging around in the offices with lecherous demeanor and suggestive smiles." [Cornwell, p.75]
In the 1920s Pacelli presented his credentials to the Weimer government where he stated, "For my part, I will devote my entire strength to cultivating and strengthening the relations between the Holy See and Germany."
In the 1930s, Pacelli negotiated with the Nazis to form a contract which got signed in 1933 as the Reich Concordat with the approval of the Pope. Note that the Catholic hierarchy believes in the infallibility of Popes in matters of faith and morals. This Concordat with its Papal infallible authority had arguably neutralized the potential of 23 million Catholics to protest and resist and which helped Hitler into legal dictatorship. [Cornwell, p. 4]
After the agreement, Hitler, mimicking Pacelli fourteen years earlier stated, "I will devote my entire strength to cultivating and strengthening the relations between the Holy See and Germany." [Cornwell, p. 136] According to John Cornwell, this papal endorsement of Nazism helped seal the fate of Europe which makes it plausible that these Catholic prejudices bolstered aspects of Nazi anti-Semitism. [Cornwell, p. 28]
Based on the timing of your responses, you must have been googling like hell. Continued to do so, as I am a shareholder. What you did stumble onto is bogus, as the Holy Father has only invoked infaliability once, in declaring the Assumption of Mary as an Article of Faith.
Gee, Johnny, based on the timing of your replies, you must have been googling like hell. Fine with me, I am a GOOG shareholder. What you stubled onto was likely biased, as the Holy Father has only invoked infaliability ONCE, in stating that the Assumption of Mary was an article of faith!
Continuing, the LDS, Prophet , Seer, Revalator, whatever is also beleived to be infalliable and uses it much more, including the revalating in 1978 that blacks were no longer a cursed race.
Show me the revelation that ever said that Blacks were cursed? The revelation that the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball received simply stated that God had now that "all worthy males" could now be ordained to the Priesthood and receive ordinances of the Temple. Blacks being denied this began because of the persecution that the Church was receiving from nonmembers on this point.
The idea that Blacks were a cursed race came from classical Christianity, of which many LDS members had previously been members of. There are several biased LDS comments and teachings that you could find that propagate this, but you will not see any Prophet claiming this to be a revelation. We do not claim the Prophet to be infalible, only that he will not be allowed to lead the Church away from the basic principles of the gospel of Christ.
Classical Christianity??? Never heard of that. Also, spin it anyway you want to, "not being allowed to lead your cult astray" = infalliable. Also, are not the words "seer" "revalator" in the title of your esteemed leader???? What does he see? From whom does he "reveal?"
From BY speech (again) ... If there never was a prophet, or apostle of Jesus Christ spoke it before, I tell you, this people that are commonly called negroes are the children of old Cain." So if this was not a "revalation," what was it?
You've never heard of classical Christianity? Wow, I guess this is where I get to advise the google stockholder to google it. Don't know what a seer is? It's in the Bible, and yes, you're allowed to read that now. Also, the word is revelator, meaning one who receives revelation.
The Prophet Joseph Smith himself is quoted in Documentary History of the Church as admonishing us that prophets are mortal men with mortal frailties, so that "a prophet (is) a prophet only when he (is) acting as such" [History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Period I, History of Joseph Smith, the Prophet, by Himself, edited by B.H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1902-1912), 5:26] So much for your "infallibility" argument.
ganzaboy, I only looked into this yesterday for about 15 minutes, and I used MSN's livesearch. The articles I've quoted from here are referenced by credible sources. You're welcome to google them for yourself.
Never would I think I would agree with Al and disagree with Hannity. Tell me if i am wrong, but doesn't LDS beleive that their god was an exhalted mormon who lives near a star/planet named Kolob? Therefore, the LDS god was once a "regular guy" like us. That is FUNDAMENTALLY different from all major religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Muslim). If I am wrong, say so. if this is correct, Al is not far off base.
ganzaboy, when Christ was being criticized for claiming to be divine, he quoted a scriptural verse that said that claimed that all people are of God and that called them gods. Check out Psalms 82:6, and John 10:34 for yourself and lets discuss this.
Johnny, re John 10:34 Jesus in this passage is not speaking to pantheists (who believe that God is everything and everything is God) or polytheists (who believe in many gods). Rather, He is addressing strict Jewish monotheists who believe that only the Creator of the universe is God. So, His statement should not be wrenched out of this monotheistic context and given a pantheistic or polytheistic twist.
Lastly, in John 10:30, Jesus says that He and the Father are One. LDS thinks there are two beings, God and Jesus. The Mormon idea that man can become a god and god was once a regular guy/exhulted mormon is different, and IMHO, Al should have stuck to his guns on this. It would have made for an interesing debate
IMHO, Stephen saw two beings while he was being martyred... Jesus standing on the right hand of God. Your version makes Christ out to be delusional when he says, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", or when he prays to the Father to "remove this cup, nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt", etc, etc. Constantine chose the Trinity version at the Nicean council even though half of those their still held to the belief that the Father and Son were separate beings.
In a verse very near that of John 10, he also said "The Father and I are One." I do not have an issue with people who say they are two beings, etc. Hopefully we will all find out one day/ The issue is that the LDS version of god is that he was once a mortal.
ganzaboy, on the issue of Jesus saying "the Father and I are one", He also asked the Father to bless his disciples "that they may be one as we are one". Did the disciples suddenly turn into Paul? Ridiculous. The concept of the Trinity was invented after the death of Christ. It is also one of the reasons that only 50% of Christians today believe in a literal resurrection. How can Christ take his body, if he is really the being described in the doctrine of the Trinity?
Bloated bigot
earthking12 1 month ago
Racist Democrats support Al Sharpton.
StoogeWatcher 10 months ago 2
Obama stated that the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the Supreme Court didn’t bring about redistributive change. watch?v=Sj4yIE9Dd90 He told Joe the Plumber in 2008, that he wanted to spread the wealth around. watch?v=PUvwKVvp3-o
Obama is a socialist. He took over the automobile, mortgage, banking, and health care industries via legislation and regulation. Govt is expected to own 70% up from 19% in 2008.
TheModelification 1 year ago
Al Sharpton believes that a vote for Obama was a vote for socialism. watch?v=KCpINI5aVy0 Al Sharpton wants to share the wealth. “Al Sharpton: We Won't Have True Social Justice Until Everything is Equal in Everybody's House” watch?v=95bcEb1rV18
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Sharpton should start by giving up his $5 million (from celebrity net worth com) It’s also worth noting Hilter was a socialist that seemed to follow the Communist Manifesto.
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Allen West 2012
TheModelification 1 year ago
He is an absolute bigot, all the way to the bone. Hey Al, what about your crazy sacrificial god religion and its pedophilia harboring puppet master branch?
PtAltmVansanTarr 1 year ago 2
@Roshea1956 What great leaders do whites have?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
We have Mitt Romney... the greatest businessman every to run for the presidency. But I'm sure you'd rather have Obama continue to drive our country into the ground with his disasterous policies, huh? Some libs never learn.
JohnnyPolitico 1 year ago
If al sharpton didn't have racism to blame, he'd 1) be out of a job, and 2) possibly get stoned to death just out of principle of being a racist asshole. Frankly, in a perfect world.... all the racist skin-heads, kkk, etc. would be locked in an arena with all the al sharptons of the world, and they could just kill each other off. Boom. Racism ends.
jjrants 1 year ago 2
What bigot....ignore this a-hole...he knows nothing of God...he knows only hate, hate, hate and any christian knows where hate comes from....now, who's side are you on? Oh no...could I have just commited a hate crime??? God help us all!
royalsummit 1 year ago 2
I prefer to think of that buffoon as The Irrelevent Al Sharpton.
Jeff98177 2 years ago
"THE RACIST AL SHARPTON"
THEPRAUN 2 years ago
another stupid NIGGER
elpotopeludo 2 years ago
Wow, another ignorant and very stupid racist. It's amazing how you racists always seem capable of adopting a superior attitude. What a joke! Superior to what, that's what I'd like to know? Pond slime will fare better than you in this life and the next.
JohnnyPolitico 2 years ago
@JohnnyPolitico i dont feel any supperior to anyone but i feel that the human race sucks.
hardkoregamer999 1 year ago
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YukonBloamie 3 years ago
So I guess you must be the stereotypical atheist... biggoted, arrogant, entitled, and prone to making ridiculous assumptions huh? Why do people like you always take the outliers and try to pretend they represent the median? Reverend Al is much more of a politician than he is a pastor anyway. Let his biggoted comments stand on their own merits rather than attributing them to Christ and his followers.
Though it has followers, I doubt that the gospel of yukonblowmie has any substance or future.
JohnnyPolitico 3 years ago
Al is a race card playing media whore!
MontanaCombatMedic 3 years ago
What exactly is bigoted about his comments?!!
bkh72 3 years ago
Sorry, but your question shows that you're one of those who isn't capable of grasping an answer to this. Perhaps Rev Wright's tirades would appeal to you.
JohnnyPolitico 3 years ago
An attack on a religion isn't an attack on a race. Im sorry Sharpton stepped outside of the politically correct box.
VoiceOfModeration 3 years ago
I'm happy to see that you can understand and acknowledge Al's religious bigotry. But, since when did anyone ever consider Shapton politically correct? The only attempt he ever made in this direction was when he attempted to apologize for these statements. It was really a pathetic attempt at best.
JohnnyPolitico 3 years ago
no it isnt, but its the same thing. Are you suggesting that race is more significant than say ones religion, or sex, or creed. bigotry does not mean race
bl4h1 3 years ago
One bigoted comment doesn't deserve another guys. Yes Al Sharpton can get away with whatever racist or bigoted remarks he wishes because he's black, but that's just the way it is in America. Turning around and making bigoted comments the other way out of anger just multiplies the ignorance by two in my opinion.
BiggyBollocks 3 years ago
I agree with this completely. I don't like Al's tactics, politics, or bigotted remarks, but the way to respond against them is NOT helped by using racist or bigotted comments ourselves. Using profanity-laced tirades also only brings down one's cause.
JohnnyPolitico 3 years ago
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what a worthless piece of shit....god wasted a perfectly good dog turd to make this sooooooooo called rev.
slusher67 3 years ago
Is this man supposed to be educated?? He seems to be a victim who perpetuates a cycle that he is professing to try and stop.
imnvrgvnup 4 years ago 5
who is sharpton to even comment on somebody winning an election, let alone make bigoted comments while doing so. Last time I checked Al Sharpton couldn't even buy himself an election. I'm sick of his hypocritical actions and his persistent strive for attention within the media.
taharris2987 4 years ago
This comment is for Mr. Alfred Charles Sharpton Jr.,
King James Bible, Proverbs 18:6-7,
6 A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.
7 A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.
thbjr25 4 years ago 2
People like Bush/Cheney and Sharpton make it embarrassing to live in the USA!!! They just make us look bad!
blackturtleus 4 years ago
Well who are the "us" you're talking about? You've just lumped moderate conservatives (Bush & Cheney) and hard liberals (Sharpton) into one group.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Because they are all dickheads
ZSparkman 4 years ago
So anyone with a political affiliation is bad? Nah, I don't agree. This is too much of a generalization. Bush is right on some things and wrong on others. There's no reason to personally demean or demonize him. I'm sure even Sharpton has his good points. This video definitely showcased a bad one though.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
This video showcased the first amendment in action. And I have to say I would argue that Sharpton is right.
ZSparkman 4 years ago
This video showcased Sharpton's general condescending attitude, and his religious bigotry of Mormons specifically.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
First of all I think that it is typical of any church to hate the mormons. Part of the reason I have mormons is that they claim that their book of mormon is an equal to the books in the bible just because they have been around for 150 years. They tend to think that they are always right and their religion teaches them that we are all damned to hell regardless of our religion or lifestyle if we are not mormon.
ZSparkman 4 years ago
ZSparkman, thanks for letting me know that you HATE mormons, and practice religious bigotry. It's funny that this seems to be a requirement of your religion. It's no wonder you're a Sharpton defender/supporter. LDS Churchmembers don't hate Catholics, Protestants, or people of any faith. We do claim to have a Gospel restored by the Savior that bares his name, but then the Bible does say that there is "one Lord, one faith, and one baptism".
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Actually quite the contrary, mormonism is one of the only religions that teaches that everyone will get a chance to have the truth and no one will go to hell for ignorance.
heavyliftin 4 years ago 2
Mormons do not believe that everyone that is not Mormon is going to hell. If they did they wouldn't have the three degrees of glory. Do your research....
catsofsaturn 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
kinda like the catholics and jews who they hate so much. i can't blame them for that to much though.
i say they're all full of it. the jews the catholics and the mormons.
Bigjuicybuck 4 years ago
The comments on your personal profile decrying your blatant racial and religious bigotry will serve fine here as a rebuke of your overwhelming ignorance.
Ouch, you've just branded yourself as a loser.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
@JohnnyPolitico AND HIS PEOPLE LAUGH. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. THEIR ENTIRE GROUP ARE HYPOCRITES.
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jjones1987 4 years ago
I also think that Al Sharpton should be treated he same as Don Imus was, because Al Sharpton has been in the civil rights movement and is more than just a talk radio host. Also, you can't end the career of Al Sharpton, he is a preacher. A biggotted remark towards a mormon wont make as much of an impact as one that is racial to another regardless of religion.
ZSparkman 4 years ago
Oops i mean he should NOT NOT NOT be treated the same way
ZSparkman 4 years ago
ZSparkman, Sharpton is also a political figure who has ran for President. He throws his weight around politically much more than Don Imus ever dreamed of. Because Sharpton is a preacher, he should've known better than to make bigoted statements about Romney's beliefs. Both Catholic and Protestant groups condemned him for this, and he also admitted his error and apologized. So if other Christians and even he himself recognize his comments as wrong, why don't you?
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
I can admit he made a mistake, but i am angry about the anger towards him
ZSparkman 4 years ago
"i am angry about the anger towards him" Zsparkman, the anger was due to his thoughtless condescension in his remark, as well as the way he went on the attack in his efforts to defend himself. Waging more attacks against Mormons when trying to say he didn't mean to attack in the first place only reinforces the belief that he really did mean it.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
In my opinion the things said were out of context. I also think that there is way to much strife over this indifferent matter.
ZSparkman 4 years ago
I don't want to start any arguments or harsh words, but most of the reason I don't want Mitt Romney as president is that he is conservative.
ZSparkman 4 years ago
" don't want to start any arguments or harsh words, but most of the reason I don't want Mitt Romney as president is that he is conservative." Zsparkman, I don't want to argue this either, but this is why I support him. He's strong on national defense, a healthy economy, and family values. These are good things.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
right because national defence and family values and a "healthy economy" is what they all want until they get into office and can make the rich richer and the poor poorer. By "they all" I mean all of our politicians that are hard right wingers. You people will never learn...
ZSparkman 4 years ago
Romney can hardly be called a "hard rightwinger". He's a middle-of-the-road conservative. Look at his healthcare insurance legislation, and then pretend he simply wants to make "the rich richer and the poor poorer". This is the effect Hillary will have by taxing energy and business to death, but Mitt will strengthen our economy in ways she can't even dream about. He's been called America's greatest businessman by several credible sources.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
All mormons make great business people because they are so good at lying and decieving. That is why people like Romney, they are to stupid to see that he lies. America doesnt need any more presidents that will emarass us!
ZSparkman 4 years ago
More ignorant generalizations by the self-revealed religious bigot ZSparkman. You're the one embarassing yourself here. What a great representative and defense you make for Al Sharpton. He must be proud.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
biggotry can only be committed against those of another race, not religious beliefs
hollandmin 4 years ago
Let's see, is Sharpton a different race than Romney? Yes. However, we're talking about religious bigotry, not racial bigotry. The Catholic League and the Evangelical National Clergy Council decried his statements as bigoted. Comments can be bigoted in both racial and religious areas.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Bigotry - stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
You're thinking of racism
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
Thanks for the definition of bigotry wyatt, and the application of this by Sharpton against Romney's religion was clear. He didn't make racist statements, but he did make bigoted ones.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
You are indeed welcome and absolutely. Sharpton has come a long way from the Civil Rights movement with comments like this, especially considering it was Romney's father that led a parade of thousands, as Governor of Michigan, against the racism in Alabama. A Mormom in leadership was good enough to march for the rights of African Americans but not to run for President? Uff dah
wyattmcintyre 4 years ago
Now that Al Sharpton has met with leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, done his penance, and fully apologized... perhaps his followers can follow his lead? Way to go Al, you stood up and took this like a man.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
al sharpton needs to be put in his place
kirrabeachbum 4 years ago
i dont exactly approve of mormonism, but the morons in the lower levels of their church, just think its another denomination, they dont know its another religon
theFlamingPacman 4 years ago
"the morons in the lower levels of their church, just think its another denomination" -- of what? Are you saying members of the LDS church think they're Baptists, Catholics, or something else? I can't say I approve of your logic or apparant ignorance.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
I have a few friends who r "exMormons" who left for different reasons. One of them said, he realized that "The Book of Mormon" was FAKE. But if u ask me, "What isn't?"
HelpMeObiiWAN 4 years ago
Wow, what an honor HelpMeObiiWan. Your profile says that you joined yesterday and that you have viewed 1 video. Your comment shows that my video is your first ever youtube comment. Tell me, how is it that you have a few friends that are ex-Mormons? Are there so many Mormons in your society that bumping into several ex-Mormons is commonplace? Also, are you merely going to take the word of these ex-Mormons, or do you have the fortitude to look into this for yourself?
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
ganzaboy, one more thing. I wish you could have had the same experience as I, in discussing the gospel with Maria Herrebrugh. She was a Nun (in Japan) who ran a large hospital. She eventually left the Catholic Church and converted to the LDS faith, and was married to a wonderful LDS man in the Temple. She is one of the most spiritual, happy people that I have ever known, and has felt very blessed and happy with her choice.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Johnny, we are probably not going to make any progress. You can have the last word. I am sure that your beliefs are deeply rooted and have been taught to you all your life. I do not think LDS are going to hell, etc. If we were having a face to face debate on this, I would invite you to mass and agree to listen to your lessons, etc. Goodbye and God Bless.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
ganzaboy, you're wrong about me. I converted to the LDS faith after reading and praying about the Book of Mormon when I was 18, just as I had done with the Bible at 15 in becoming a Christian. I believe that we are all children of a loving Father in Heaven who sent his Son Jesus Christ to help us to become like Him. Please see Revelation 3:20, 21.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
One more thing Johnny, can you tell me of any Mormons who have received the stigmata. Also, any Fatima like appreances. Remember, Mary prophesized that two of the children would die young and the third would live very long. Foretold of the Assination attempt on JPII. Anything like that ever happpen to a Mormon???
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Thanks for the Catholic folklore ganzaboy. You might find it hard to believe, but none of that seems to have made it into the KJV of the Bible. LDS Church members experience the signs that Christ promised, including healing of the sick and all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Thanks for asking, but if you really believed in these things you would look into all that Joseph Smith and subsequent Prophets have received.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Folklore. Padre Pio died in 1969. It was not folklore. If you want to read folklore, open up the Book of Mormon. There is ZERO archeological evidence to support it, despite the best efforts of LDS to do so. Also, the stimatists and Fatima were long after the death and ressurection of Christ you Rhodes Scholar, so of course its not in the bible.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
I have a book called Ancient America Speaks (1 of 20 in a Time/Life set) that shows pictures from South American Temples. Some of these stories correspond exactly with those in the Book of Mormon. There is also a "Tree of Life" stone carving that matches Lehi's vision of the Tree of Life in the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith prophesied specifically about the Civil War would, even though he died in 1844. Just because you're ignorant of the evidence, doesn't mean there isn't any.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Gee, a lot of politicos were thinking there was going to be a war between the states at that time. IS that all you have??
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Joseph Smith prophesied that the war would commence with the secession of South Carolina. Is this what a lot of politicos were thinking 20 years before it happened?
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Gee, it seems as if you have trashed just about all of mainstream Christianity in your tirades. How exactly does that differentiate you from your criticism of Al? Oh, yeah, he said LDS God is different in an uneloquent manner. Deny or Affirm this and end the discussion: Does LDS beleive "As god is man may become. As man is , god once was." Do you think you will be a god? Yes or No answer please.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
You think I'm "trashing" Christianity by quoting examples of their racial history? Look who's afraid of the truth. Rather than using the ignorant slander that you use, I prefer to site reputable sources for my references. I haven't even brought out the big guns in showing Catholic complicity in genocide yet. I'm afraid that since you don't know your own history, it might be too much for you. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, especially when you seem to be naked.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Before we go there Mountain Meadows Johnny, can you answer my question from the above post. Regarding ignorant slander, I quoted the friggin website you referred me to.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
"They came into the world slaves, mentally and physically. Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation. Go into Cincinnati or any city, and find an educated negro, who rides in his carriage, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability." Prophet Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Vol. 5, 217.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
The founder of American evangelicalism, George Whitefield, "urged kinder treatment of slaves, but noted that cruelty can have the positive effect of heightening 'the sense of their natural misery,' thereby increasing receptivity to the Christian message." Emerson and Smith, Divided by Faith, 26.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
"According to the 1998 National Congregations Study, about 90 percent of American congregations are made up at least 90 percent of people of the same race." Emerson and Smith, Divided by Faith, 136.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
"Still in 1964, no more than 10 per cent of the white Protestant congregations had Negroes worshiping with them. Even these 10 per cent had only a few members or occasional attenders, so that throughout the US probably no more than 1 per cent of all Negroes worshiped in integrated congregations on Sunday mornings." J.C. Hough, Black Power and White Protestants: A Christian Response to the New Negro Pluralism (New York: Oxford University Press, 1968), 177.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
"The most extensive research on integration was undertaken jointly by the United Lutherans, Congregational Christians, and Presbyterians (U.S.A.). They found that 1,331 out of 13,597 predominantly white churches have nonwhite members or attenders. That is just short of 10 per cent." Robert Root, Progress Against Prejudice: The Church Confronts the Race Problem (New York: Friendship Press, 1957), 59.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
"The black Methodist church, created not from a desire to be separate but from a desire to worship without discrimination at the hands of white brethren, was to become the most enduring legacy of Methodism's refusal to accord the black communicant all of the rights and privileges of membership in the body of Christ." Forrest G. Wood. The Arrogance of Faith: Christianity and Race in America from the Colonial Era to the Twentieth Century (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1990), 318.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
"By the 1830's most southern evangelicals had thoroughly repudiated a heritage that valued blacks as fellow church members." Nathan O. Hatch, The Democratization of American Christianity (New Haven, Connecticut: Yale University Press, 1989), 107.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
"Virtually all Protestant denominations have separate Negro churches, and thus the areas of association for religious purposes have been very small." Thomas F. Gossett, Race: The History of An Idea in America (New York: Oxford University Press, 1963), 447.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
October 9, 1966, Martin Luther King said:
"So often Negroes in Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia and other places have been taken to that tree that bears strange fruit. And do you know that the folk lynching them are often big deacons in the Baptist churches and stewards in the Methodist churches feeling that by killing and murdering and lynching another human being they are doing the will of Almighty God? The most vicious oppressors of the Negro today are probably in church."
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
In response to King's famous "I Have a Dream" speech that his children might one day play together with white children, [Billy] Graham, who had been invited but did not attend the 1963 March on Washington, said: "Only when Christ comes again will little white children of Alabama walk hand in hand with little black children." Richard O. Emerson and Christian Smith, Divided by Faith: Evangelical Religion and the Problem of Race in America (New York: Oxford University Press, 2000), 47.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
"he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile." 2 Nephi 26:33 (Book of Mormon, LDS Scriptures)
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Perhaps, but the BOM is open to be amended right. It looks like Brigham thought otherwise.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Even as late as 1985, black bishops in the Roman Catholic Church, constituting only 3 percent of the total American bishops, complained about racial bias in the church, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times, November 14, 1985, I-5.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
We do not have a quota system. The holy are called. Many think Arinzie of Africa would be a great pope. It may happen in a few years.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Tell it to your Black Bishops ganzaboy. They are the ones complaining about Catholic racism.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
REcently my pastor who is black and the holiest man I know was made a Bishop. He never complained about ANYTHING. Have you ever talked to a black Catholic priest or bishop? I doubt it.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
ganzaboy, I'm not surprised your Bishop hasn't complained to you about racism, but why would he? Are you a Cardinal, or someone with authority over him? If you would like to dispute the LA Times article, feel free to, but please site sources other than yourself.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Yep, the LA Times is a great source of unbiased info on Church happenings. As I mentioned, we rever many black Saints and have for centuries.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
The LA Times reports news. Did the Catholic Church dispute the Black Bishops that were the source of the 1985 article? If so, you shouldn't have any problem finding their rebuttle.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
To try and get back on point. Al S, claimed the LDS god was different becasue of the belief that their god was an exhulted mormon. Christians beleives that God became a man in the form of Jesus Christ, but man never became God. If that is not what LDS beleives, correct me with a difinitive no answer. If it is what LDS beleives, there was some substance in what Al S said, although the delivery could have been better.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
ganzaboy, getting back on subject, for Al to claim that Romney and Mormons do not believe in God is simply a provocation and slur. Sharpton's faith also differs from Quakers, Jews, and Catholics, but would he dare say that the differences mean that they don't believe in God? This is ridiculous and offensive, despite your best efforts and arguments against it.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
I disagree. The Christian God, the Jewish Yawheh, and the Muslim Allah are all supreme beings. The God in the Old Testatment was "I am." The beginning and the end, the Alpha and the Omega. LDS has a view of their god that beleives he is an exhulted mormon. If that is their view of god, it is different from the I Am.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
For your information ganzaboy, you don't seem to understand the scriptures or your own Catholic history. Christ declared himself to be the great "I Am", the God of the Old Testament, or Yawheh. He also declared his Father to be greater than himself, as the scriptures record. Constantine did away with the true belief that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were distinct beings.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
The burning bush with Mosses "I am who Am." I understand my religion fine, thank you. I may not be able to quote scripture left and right, but I know my God (I Am, the Alpha and the Omega, Yawheh) is not an exhulted mormon.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
In the first place, "Mormons" don't believe the Prophet Mormon was a Mormon. He was a Christian. We certainly don't believe God was "an exaulted (get the spelling right) Mormon". The fact that you know nothing about the true character of God takes nothing away from us. Quit trying to pretend that you know anything about Latter-Day Saints or our doctrine.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
My faith differs from Al's, but Al at least knows that God is not an exhulted mormon. I notice you never have a comeback for the LDS beleif that their god is an exhutled mormon. Do you dispute por refuidiate this belief?
ganzaboy 4 years ago
"Do you dispute por refuidiate this belief?" Have you dipped into the sacramental wine tonight or something? What do you think you know about the character of God? Do you think you can adequately explain your concept of the Trinity and its origin? If you want to align yourself with Al Sharpton's ignorance, that's fine with me.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Ok spelling bee champ. Do you dispute the belief that the LDS version of god, the creator of earth was an exaulted mormon. Yes or No will be sufficient.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
I already answered you with more than a yes or no, but you seem to like to speak before reading.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Johnny, you are a wus!!
ganzaboy 4 years ago
"I doubt you will be able to muster one and will resort to calling me names" ganzaboy, you're right about me having a life, but it seems that before I could respond, you succumbed to name calling. How sad. You've proven to be selective in acknowledging the truth about LDS racial views, and now you've proven to be hypocritical as well. Oh well, I never expected anything else from you anyway. This seems to qualify you for the "wuss" title.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Selective truth?? You are the one promoting black lds . org. PArt of my "selective" issues regarding LDS not giving black who built the Salt Lake temple their endowments come directly from that site. Hyprcritical?? Please elborate or concede that I have throughly whipped your ass in this debate.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Gee, Johnny, I know you, like me, have a life, but I am anxiously awaiting an intelligent respose to my latest posts. Because I have shot down all of your arguments, including info from the site you referred me to, I doubt you will be able to muster one and will resort to calling me names.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
To try and get back on point. Al S, claimed the LDS god was different becasue of the belief that their god was an exhulted mormon. Christians beleives that God became a man in the form of Jesus Christ, but man never became God. If that is not what LDS beleives, correct me with a difinitive no answer. If it is what LDS beleives, there was some substance in what Al S said, although the delivery could have been better.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Both ganzaboy and LowKey76 need to check out the link that neuropathic posted below. You're way off base with your comments. Here it is again: blacklds . org . /mormon/history
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Johnny, there were early blacks in LDS. Then Brigham Young had a vision that blacks could not enter the temple and denied them access to the Salt Lake temple they worked to build. Blacks were then banned from holding the priesthood until the prophet in 1978 claimed they were no longer unworthy, etc. Dispute me if you can, but this is to the best of my kowledge pretty accurate JohnnyP. If MittR gets the nomination, the Dems will tear him up on this.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
There was no Brigham Young revelation on this. You don't know what you're talking about. Check out the link given to help bring you up to speed on this and then we can talk. BTW, show me a Christian religion that didn't grossly discriminate against blacks while your at this, ok? What religion, if any, are you?
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
BY Speech on dated Feb. 5, 1852 "the Lord told Cain that he should not receive the blessings of the preisthood nor his seed... If there never was a prophet, or apostle of Jesus Christ spoke it before, I tell you, this people that are commonly called negroes are the children of old Cain. I know they are, I know that they cannot bear rule in the preisthood, for the curse on them was to remain upon them, until the resedue of the posterity of Michal and his wife receive the blessings"
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Continuing...See the above post Johnny, I do indeed know what I am talking about via real historical records and not the whitwashed LDS version. BTW, I am Catholic. For centuries, we have had black priests, bishops, Cardinals, and Saints.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
ganzaboy, Catholics have had black priests, etc, for centuries? But Catholics have been around for a couple of millenia now, right? And what were the Popes' and regular Catholics' thoughts about blacks during slavery? Oh, Al Sharpton would eat you for breakfast over this!
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
You are the one who claimed I did not know what I am talking abouit regarding Brigham Young. Obviously I do. You asked about my religion and I told you, then you start attacking me for calling you out about being wrong on Brigham Young. How sad.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
I reply to Al and You "Sixty years before Columbus discovered the New World, Pope Eugene IV condemned the enslavement of peoples in the newly colonized Canary Islands." Next
ganzaboy 4 years ago
And lets not forget the Popes anti-Semitic and pro-Hitler comments during WWII, my Catholic friend. If you suppose that Catholics have any room to attack others over racial bigotry, you're sadly mistaken.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Johnny, Pius XII was silent during the NAzi's killing Jews during WWII. Let's not forget Rome was not liberted by the Allied until June, 1944. I challenge you to find a comment by Pius XII that is Pro Hitler.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
March 1939 Pope Pius XII:
"To the Illustrious Herr Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer and Chancellor of the German Reich! Here at the beginning of Our Pontificate We wish to assure you that We remain devoted to the spiritual welfare of the German people entrusted to your leadership.... "
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Well, the war did not start until Sept 1939. I am pretty sure that before Hitler revealed his true evil self that many other persons of influence used words to address him. What's so bad about remaining devoted to the welfare of the German people? Had he attacked AH, he might have banned Catholicism. I am sure that would have been ok with you, right?
ganzaboy 4 years ago
By this time Pacelli could call on the loyalty and devotion of a half-billion people, of which half the populations of Hitler's new Reich had become Catholics, including a quarter of the SS. At this time bishops, clergy, religious, and faithful had bound themselves to the Pope, and by his own self estimation, served as the supreme arbiter of moral values on earth. [Cornwell, p. 215]
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Throughout the war, not only did Catholic priests pay homage to Hitler and contribute to the anti-Semitic feelings, several priests also protected Nazis from criminal charges. For example, Nazi sympathizers such as Bishop Alois Hudal helped Nazi criminals escape to South America by assisting them with false papers and hiding places in Rome.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
In 1941 Croat Fascists declared an independent Croatia. Italy and Hungary (also a fascist state) joined forces with Hitler for a share of Yugoslavia. Hitler had issued his plan for a partitioned Yugoslavia, granting "Aryan" status to an independent Croatia under the Catholic Ante Pavelic.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
This resulted in a campaign of terror and extermination conducted by the Ustashe of Croatia against two million Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and Communists between 1941 and 1945 (Note that the Croats were Roman Catholics, the Serbs were Orthodox Christians).
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
OK, I was not going to mention it, but I say "Mountain Meadows MASSACARE."
ganzaboy 4 years ago
ganzaboy, it's too obvious that you've been dipping into the anti-Mormon literature or websites. How small of you. Someone that can't even spell these words has little hope of understanding them, and none if all you do is look from an anti-Mormon perspective. I take it that you have some sort of personal problem with Mormons. Sorry, but I'm not a psychologist.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
One last thing before I leave you to yourself, Al Sharpton condemned anyone who is a member of a church that previously participated in bigotry. This covers Catholicism, and ALL the Protestant Churches. I could give you books full of quotes from Catholic and Protestant leaders that would leave no doubt in your mind of the racial bigotry, torture, and wholesale murder condoned by them through the practice of slavery. Mormons endured persecution for their abolutionist sentiments.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
So you beleive LDS had NOTHING to do with Mountain Meadows. Regarding AntiMormon material, LDS material is not credible. Case in point, the pics of JS reading the golden plates looking like a scholar, when all of the records mention him looking into the hat. Regarding my spelling, I will polish my peep stone and do better.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Regarding your anti-Mormon bent, I see no reason to discuss Mountain Meadows or any other beat-to-death talking points. Many non-LDS historians have fairly concluded that this was an isolated incident that had everything to do with a few frightened locals and nothing to do with Church policy. The Church never participated in this or condoned it, but tried to prosecute those involved. Look it up for yourself from sources other than anti-Mormons.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
I wonder why a Catholic would want to claim that another Christian faith was guilty of atrocities? Can you help me on this? Is there possibly anything in Catholic history that might give you a guilty conscience?
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
You still haven't answered me as to your awareness of Catholic atrocities. I can certainly understand why you would want to ignore this and shift the focus though.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Of course there were Catholic atrocities. Know why, becasue satan has indeed inflitrated the Catholic Church at times, especially those pedophile priests. Know why satan influenced at Catholic Church, b/c he knows it is the real thing. Satan probably does not give a shit about LDS.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
According to the Biblical prophecy, Satan was to be given power to cause a complete apostasy from the Church that Christ established. This happened within the first century after his death. A period of darkness followed. A restoration of Christ's church was necessary, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was the result of this. God loves all of his children, and your saying he "does not give a shit about LDS" is just more proof of your ignorance about His true character.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
You must have passed spelling and flunked comprehension. I said "Satan probably does not give a shit about LDS." Also, can you give me a quote (Chapt + verse of this biblical prop) to back up your claim?
ganzaboy 4 years ago
You don't see this as the same thing? How illogical of you. If God loves his children then Satan wants to destroy them. The only way Satan won't care is if God doesn't. It's the same, and don't pretend you didn't mean this.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Apostasy of the early Christian church: This people draw near me with their mouth, Isa. 29: 10, 13. The Lord will send a famine of hearing the words of the Lord, Amos 8: 11, 12. Grievous wolves shall enter in among you, Acts 20: 29, 30. There will be a falling away before the Second Coming, 2 Thes. 2: 3. The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, 2 Tim. 4: 3-4.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
March 1939 Pope Pius XII (continued):
"During the many years we spent in Germany, We did all in Our power to establish harmonious relations between Church and State. Now that the responsibilities of Our pastoral function have increased Our opportunities, how much more ardently do We pray to reach that goal. May the prosperity of the German people and their progress in every domain come, with God's help, to fruition!"
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
And this priases Hitler how?????
ganzaboy 4 years ago
The following month on April 20, 1939, at Pope Pius's express wish, Archbishop Orsenigo, the nuncio in Berlin, opened a gala reception for Hitler's fiftieth birthday. The birthday greetings thus initiated by Pacelli immediately became a tradition; each April 20 during the few years left to Hitler and his Reich, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin would send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany,"
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
to which he added "fervent prayers which the Catholics in Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
In 1917, Eugenio Pacelli, later to become Pope Pius XII, showed his first inkling of his unsympathetic feelings toward the Jews when he refused to come to the assistance of Jews and calling them a "Jewish cult." [Cornwell, p.70]. In a typewritten letter, he described "a gang of young women, of dubious appearance, Jews as like all the rest of them, hanging around in the offices with lecherous demeanor and suggestive smiles." [Cornwell, p.75]
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
In the 1920s Pacelli presented his credentials to the Weimer government where he stated, "For my part, I will devote my entire strength to cultivating and strengthening the relations between the Holy See and Germany."
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
In the 1930s, Pacelli negotiated with the Nazis to form a contract which got signed in 1933 as the Reich Concordat with the approval of the Pope. Note that the Catholic hierarchy believes in the infallibility of Popes in matters of faith and morals. This Concordat with its Papal infallible authority had arguably neutralized the potential of 23 million Catholics to protest and resist and which helped Hitler into legal dictatorship. [Cornwell, p. 4]
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
After the agreement, Hitler, mimicking Pacelli fourteen years earlier stated, "I will devote my entire strength to cultivating and strengthening the relations between the Holy See and Germany." [Cornwell, p. 136] According to John Cornwell, this papal endorsement of Nazism helped seal the fate of Europe which makes it plausible that these Catholic prejudices bolstered aspects of Nazi anti-Semitism. [Cornwell, p. 28]
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Based on the timing of your responses, you must have been googling like hell. Continued to do so, as I am a shareholder. What you did stumble onto is bogus, as the Holy Father has only invoked infaliability once, in declaring the Assumption of Mary as an Article of Faith.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Gee, Johnny, based on the timing of your replies, you must have been googling like hell. Fine with me, I am a GOOG shareholder. What you stubled onto was likely biased, as the Holy Father has only invoked infaliability ONCE, in stating that the Assumption of Mary was an article of faith!
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Continuing, the LDS, Prophet , Seer, Revalator, whatever is also beleived to be infalliable and uses it much more, including the revalating in 1978 that blacks were no longer a cursed race.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Show me the revelation that ever said that Blacks were cursed? The revelation that the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball received simply stated that God had now that "all worthy males" could now be ordained to the Priesthood and receive ordinances of the Temple. Blacks being denied this began because of the persecution that the Church was receiving from nonmembers on this point.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
The idea that Blacks were a cursed race came from classical Christianity, of which many LDS members had previously been members of. There are several biased LDS comments and teachings that you could find that propagate this, but you will not see any Prophet claiming this to be a revelation. We do not claim the Prophet to be infalible, only that he will not be allowed to lead the Church away from the basic principles of the gospel of Christ.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Classical Christianity??? Never heard of that. Also, spin it anyway you want to, "not being allowed to lead your cult astray" = infalliable. Also, are not the words "seer" "revalator" in the title of your esteemed leader???? What does he see? From whom does he "reveal?"
ganzaboy 4 years ago
From BY speech (again) ... If there never was a prophet, or apostle of Jesus Christ spoke it before, I tell you, this people that are commonly called negroes are the children of old Cain." So if this was not a "revalation," what was it?
ganzaboy 4 years ago
You've never heard of classical Christianity? Wow, I guess this is where I get to advise the google stockholder to google it. Don't know what a seer is? It's in the Bible, and yes, you're allowed to read that now. Also, the word is revelator, meaning one who receives revelation.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
The Prophet Joseph Smith himself is quoted in Documentary History of the Church as admonishing us that prophets are mortal men with mortal frailties, so that "a prophet (is) a prophet only when he (is) acting as such" [History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Period I, History of Joseph Smith, the Prophet, by Himself, edited by B.H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1902-1912), 5:26] So much for your "infallibility" argument.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
ganzaboy, I only looked into this yesterday for about 15 minutes, and I used MSN's livesearch. The articles I've quoted from here are referenced by credible sources. You're welcome to google them for yourself.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
The Weimar govt was not part of National Socialism / Nazis. Sounds like you are a Germanophobe.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
JohnnyP, perhaps you should read blacklds org better, for it sayss" 1853: Elijah Abel Requests Permission to Receive Endowments
Brigham Young denies the reqeust."
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Never would I think I would agree with Al and disagree with Hannity. Tell me if i am wrong, but doesn't LDS beleive that their god was an exhalted mormon who lives near a star/planet named Kolob? Therefore, the LDS god was once a "regular guy" like us. That is FUNDAMENTALLY different from all major religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Muslim). If I am wrong, say so. if this is correct, Al is not far off base.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
ganzaboy, when Christ was being criticized for claiming to be divine, he quoted a scriptural verse that said that claimed that all people are of God and that called them gods. Check out Psalms 82:6, and John 10:34 for yourself and lets discuss this.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
Johnny, re John 10:34 Jesus in this passage is not speaking to pantheists (who believe that God is everything and everything is God) or polytheists (who believe in many gods). Rather, He is addressing strict Jewish monotheists who believe that only the Creator of the universe is God. So, His statement should not be wrenched out of this monotheistic context and given a pantheistic or polytheistic twist.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
Lastly, in John 10:30, Jesus says that He and the Father are One. LDS thinks there are two beings, God and Jesus. The Mormon idea that man can become a god and god was once a regular guy/exhulted mormon is different, and IMHO, Al should have stuck to his guns on this. It would have made for an interesing debate
ganzaboy 4 years ago
IMHO, Stephen saw two beings while he was being martyred... Jesus standing on the right hand of God. Your version makes Christ out to be delusional when he says, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", or when he prays to the Father to "remove this cup, nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt", etc, etc. Constantine chose the Trinity version at the Nicean council even though half of those their still held to the belief that the Father and Son were separate beings.
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago
In a verse very near that of John 10, he also said "The Father and I are One." I do not have an issue with people who say they are two beings, etc. Hopefully we will all find out one day/ The issue is that the LDS version of god is that he was once a mortal.
ganzaboy 4 years ago
ganzaboy, on the issue of Jesus saying "the Father and I are one", He also asked the Father to bless his disciples "that they may be one as we are one". Did the disciples suddenly turn into Paul? Ridiculous. The concept of the Trinity was invented after the death of Christ. It is also one of the reasons that only 50% of Christians today believe in a literal resurrection. How can Christ take his body, if he is really the being described in the doctrine of the Trinity?
JohnnyPolitico 4 years ago