@hilikus540 - oh, here we go. There is not one single respectable source to suggest that this was true. Gay, maybe - bisexual, most probably. Child molester/killer, most certainly not.
@TomTresh3 - sure, she was pretty bad, but she's got some pretty undistinguished colleagues for company... Wilson, Callaghan, even Heath (nice and very talented bloke, useless PM) - not to mention Brown and Blair.
"There are no Grapefruit at this time of year in our house" "Those who claim that there are show that they do not understand the real nature of the problem"
Good old Teddy. I'm all nostalgic now. Unemployment. Inflation. Industrial unrest. Blackouts. The three-day week. Phase III. Sniff. Come back Ted - all is forgiven!
Cameron has similar vowel sounds, except he's doing things in reverse - Heath was not posh but trying to speak posh, Cameron's posh trying to speak Estuary.
What if he was ? Many colleagues in Government have written about his 'cottaging' habits for which he was warned about by his party in the '50s at a time when being gay in itself was illegal.Futhermore Michael Palin has been quoted as saying Heath had a fling with his gay 'Python' friend Graham Chapman
So? I bet they said that after he died. Plus Palin said that in jest. There was never any specific evidence or admission by Heath that he was Homosexual. Not that it matters either way. Plus being Gay in itself was never illegal anyway. Not that those laws were rational or sane anyway.
Yes it WAS !! How old are you then ? Being gay WAS a criminial offence IN ITSELF until 1967.Why do you think so many feared prosecution ? & blackmail was rife in the U.K. up till then.I didnt agree with it but thats the Law ; look it up if you dont believe it and well,you bet what you want but 1: its NOT the thing you say in 'jest' about just ANYONE randomly if its not true & 2: Heath was hardly gonna shout it out & ruin his political career was he ?
No-It wasnt. Having sexual relations and getting caught, having a witness to it or admitting such things was! Having homosexual feelings was not illegal at all. Although it was taboo and brought prejudice so many avioded doing so.
Most Gay people feared arrest and blackmail because there was reason to worry--aka they were having sex and it was a real possibility they could be targeted.
Whether or not someone 'admits' to it,as today is irrelevant as of course one doesnt know people are gay UNLESS they provide at least some VERBAL evidence ; if they do NOTHING or say nothing NO ONE would know would they ? No ones a mind reader. So SAYING you were, as you concede was illegal as it equalled a 'confession' as in the days of witchcraft & made you vulnerable to prosecution
For a case to hold up there needed to be direct evidence and proof the law was broken by a man having anal sex with another or engaging in some other sexual behaviour on a lesser charge. There had to be direct personal confession to that, witnesses or reliable proof. To say I like men by itself was not illegal. Thats my point. Whether it was socially acceptable or could hinder opinion is another issue totally.
continued. anyone prepared to take that risk was NOT ignored,they were LUCKY,as many, including highly public figures the actor Sir Alec Guinness , Steptoe actor Wilfrid Bramble & Actor & t.v. presenter of the 'Good old days' Leonard Sachs were all prosecuted for those offences.The fact is that by the early to mid '60s people, unless persistent 'offenders' were less likely to do 'time' for the offence because of changing opinion.Nevertheless like today they were usually fined & disgraced
Well its true Coleman could say such a thing without any challenge once Health died. Indeed, he did it that year and not before. How does he know for example? The reality is Heath never got caught doing anything and there is no evidence he had any sexual relationship whether he was Gay or not. He choose not to say either way and its noone elses business anyway. It still doesnt distract from the point that sexual inclination was never illegal in itself when you said it was.
Sir Peter Tapsell and Derek Conway both said Heath was not Homosexual. John Campell who did a biography of Heath said there was no evidence apart from gossip because Heath never married. Campell said that Heath at most was sexually repressed whether he was homosexual or not. The reality is we cannot know for sure or assume he was.
Although your the one calling him a Queer so I guess your still concerned to focus on any chance he was to use in a negative way.
I accept what you read about those good friends of Heath of whom i at present know little about,because i read the same.Conversely, i read that in a 1972 biography by one Andrew Roth when Heath was P.M., that there was "a disturbing incident at the start of the war" & that the Conservative London assembly member Brian Coleman wrote in 'New Statesman' that "Heath was advised to cease his cottaging activities in the '50s when he became Privy Councilor.Why risk to libel someone without authority ?
Brian Coleman said that after Heath had died or the same year when his Heath was in decline. There was no chance of there therefore being a libel. The reality is there was always low numbers of homosexuals charged with anything that occured in a private house even when people had ideas those living there were Gay. Many knew Kenneth Williams, Charles Hawtrey, Joe Orton, Quentin Crisp and many others were homosexual and it was largely ignored.
Personally i will NEVER be inclined to take the view that anyone hoping to preserve their integrity would use as their sole motivation for writing something they felt was true the fact that someone was now dead.Coleman wasnt some silly immature 13 year old ; he was a distinguished & informed public figure.The public activity of cottaging,'soliciting' or 'importuning for immoral purposes' which were variations on the same offence of being caught engaged in or trying to engage in gay intimacy,
continued. was ALWAYS open to prosecution & therefore involved considerable risk which, the likes of Orton frequently took according to his many friends & is well depicted in the movie 'prick up your ears' by Alan Bennett.Of course smoking dope is still an offence even if smoked at home but it is not easy to prove this.Accordingly one saying they are PLANNING a robbery to someone wont get them prosecuted unless the PLAN goes ahead & they are busted at the scene.Anyway,
Edward Heath commited an act of treason by taking the British nation into the EEC. Its also recently come to light that Mr Heath was working for German intelligence (DVD) during WW2.
Because they were told it involved "no loss of essential national sovereignty", the people did not know what they were truely voting for, they were deceived.
Watch my video "a case for treason" if your still don't believe me.
What he signed up for is one thing but the relationship changed after that with ministers signing and agreeing new treaties and agreements. That was the issue for later giovernments and alot since the 1990s which had nothing to do with Heath. Euro sceptics only grow ground because of Thatcher although they were always happy with a free market with europe. heath signed for free market and economic trading. Thats not the same as the EU.
In 1971 the foreign office sent the Heath government a set of papers, listed as FCO 30/1048, warning Heath that if he signed us up to the EEC, within three decades we would lose our constitution and cease to be an independant sovereign nation and merely be a region of Europe.
So Heath knew full well that by signing us up, the constitutiion would be subverted and bring about the end of Britain. Thats two crimes at common law of Sedition and Treason. Heath knew and he deceived the public.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, liberal? I'm a socialist and proud, meaning I don't fear or hate others because of their race, religion, gender, sexuality or disability, or politcal view, except yours of course, but every one of your kind who ever stole a country from its people fell before the right and might of democratic socialism.
So every political leader is no more than their sexuality? you xenophobic cretin. it is nice to see aswell that you are anti EU, I suppose you want the empire back?
Thatcher, seriously, Thatcher. Heath wanted to compromise with the unions, Thatcher wanted to break their back, oh and cubansixteen, your words betray all who fought and died fighting facism in ww2
Yeah, Thatcher is way worse. Her policy was basically "More money for bastards."
Heath, wasn't that good though.
Also, if you look on Wikipedia, until Blair came, every Conservative leader was prime minister. That's a very good reason to like Blair. First prime minister to force a conservative to resign before they fuck up the country.
Blair was basically a Conservative anyway, hence his dad being a member of the Conservative party, and Blair being a former member of the young tories. So no real change in leadership anyway.
And by that you mean, he joined a Socialist party to appeal to voters?
I don't think so, what Blair did was to bring Socialism into the modern world, and by that he means the free market society. Basically, it was social justice and economic prosperity side by side, a kind of centrist view to the spectrum. That's why he won so many votes. In terms of British politics, he's centre left, but I guess in the truest sense, he's probably conservative. Oh well, still better than the Tories.
Socialism is a difference from the injustice of a free market society. You're not very intelligent and just spill out whatever the media tells you. Learn to find your own opinions and do not be indoctrinated so easily. Your narrow mindedness is what winds me up with the society I have to live in.
Once the housing market got out of hand, Blair's 'socialism' became more tricky. I don't know whom to blame, but it resulted in the same old socio-economic issues keeping people down. How much housing was the govt. resposiblity and how much was simply the market is tricky. The banking situation was obvious - mortgage at 5x rather than 3x was an accident waiting to happen. Economically, the growth curve is followed by a similar shape curve in downturn, so Brown should have known that! Etc etc!
The 'accident waiting to happen' was caused by excessively low coerced base rates of interest especially in the US, and the Central Banking cartel trying to profit from investing where their own inflation pushes up returns (thereby distorting investment, intersectoral prices and production so that the housing glut was as hidden from bankers until the 11th hour as the state of the loan funds market was to everyone) so there was no 'growth curve' but an illusion from increased inflation.
(in response to someone joking that Blair, in apparently being conservative as opposed to socialist, was as socialist as Hitler was as if Hitler was individualist or conservative in any sense)
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Ted Heath was a Bum Boy really ; a right queer by all accounts AND he used to watch 'Rainbow' & 'Inigo Pipkin' every lunchtime - nothing wrong with THAT !
the queen a lizard
WomenWantMore 2 months ago
Massive, Massive child molester Ted Heath. Burn in hell.
hilikus540 5 months ago
@hilikus540 I'm sorry - *where* are you getting this accusation from?
fishhead06 3 months ago
@fishhead06 It's allover the internet. just google. ted heath, child killer
hilikus540 3 months ago
@hilikus540 - oh, here we go. There is not one single respectable source to suggest that this was true. Gay, maybe - bisexual, most probably. Child molester/killer, most certainly not.
EccentricRichard 2 months ago
Monty Python went downhill after 1970.
quirpco 8 months ago
Just wondering why there's no 'Monty Python' in the tags or the title...?
shashwati 11 months ago 2
... was it Heath that set the world on fire with ´Argy-Bargy´ ... is this a unique Heathism ?
MusicPredominates 1 year ago
Could give Gordon Brown a run for his money in terms of being the worst PM since the end of the war
gangstamillion 1 year ago
@gangstamillion Not really. Maggie Thatcher holds the honour of worst PM since the end of the war, without doubt!
TomTresh3 1 year ago
@TomTresh3 Here here
nathanbridle 1 year ago
@TomTresh3 - sure, she was pretty bad, but she's got some pretty undistinguished colleagues for company... Wilson, Callaghan, even Heath (nice and very talented bloke, useless PM) - not to mention Brown and Blair.
EccentricRichard 2 months ago
traitor heath
FKTHPOPE 1 year ago
"There are no Grapefruit at this time of year in our house" "Those who claim that there are show that they do not understand the real nature of the problem"
GetBentley 1 year ago
heath was a great man :) heath got his cool accent from oxford
fericitchannel 1 year ago 3
Emergency! Flopped photograph!
naizret 1 year ago
The photo is a negative; Heath never waved with the left hand.
OrodesIII 1 year ago
@OrodesIII yeah, you can tell by looking at the buttons on his jacket.
GayGuyinTucson 1 year ago
Good old Teddy. I'm all nostalgic now. Unemployment. Inflation. Industrial unrest. Blackouts. The three-day week. Phase III. Sniff. Come back Ted - all is forgiven!
scott72able 1 year ago
Cameron has similar vowel sounds, except he's doing things in reverse - Heath was not posh but trying to speak posh, Cameron's posh trying to speak Estuary.
SeventiesMania 1 year ago
il n'y a pas de gateaux dans mon placard
- does anyone remember Ted speaking French? LOL!
peddytheviking 2 years ago
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Ted heath was black magic abusing, child molesting, fag.
CrushJehovah 2 years ago
Crush--your insane lol
BungleZippie 2 years ago
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I'm not hating on gays but gays who rape children and cater to war profitiering power hungry thugs should be roasted with sticks(a faggot).
CrushJehovah 2 years ago
It has never been proven, although his dislike of Margaret Thatcher could be a sign of a misogynistic gay.
Glenn1967ful 2 years ago
well she did stab him in the back and there policy was very different. she got back stabbed in the end as well though
BungleZippie 2 years ago
Ted Heath was a Queer really
kenfig 2 years ago
So what if he was? Plus how would you know?
BungleZippie 2 years ago
What if he was ? Many colleagues in Government have written about his 'cottaging' habits for which he was warned about by his party in the '50s at a time when being gay in itself was illegal.Futhermore Michael Palin has been quoted as saying Heath had a fling with his gay 'Python' friend Graham Chapman
kenfig 2 years ago
So? I bet they said that after he died. Plus Palin said that in jest. There was never any specific evidence or admission by Heath that he was Homosexual. Not that it matters either way. Plus being Gay in itself was never illegal anyway. Not that those laws were rational or sane anyway.
BungleZippie 2 years ago
Yes it WAS !! How old are you then ? Being gay WAS a criminial offence IN ITSELF until 1967.Why do you think so many feared prosecution ? & blackmail was rife in the U.K. up till then.I didnt agree with it but thats the Law ; look it up if you dont believe it and well,you bet what you want but 1: its NOT the thing you say in 'jest' about just ANYONE randomly if its not true & 2: Heath was hardly gonna shout it out & ruin his political career was he ?
kenfig 2 years ago
No-It wasnt. Having sexual relations and getting caught, having a witness to it or admitting such things was! Having homosexual feelings was not illegal at all. Although it was taboo and brought prejudice so many avioded doing so.
Most Gay people feared arrest and blackmail because there was reason to worry--aka they were having sex and it was a real possibility they could be targeted.
BungleZippie 2 years ago
Whether or not someone 'admits' to it,as today is irrelevant as of course one doesnt know people are gay UNLESS they provide at least some VERBAL evidence ; if they do NOTHING or say nothing NO ONE would know would they ? No ones a mind reader. So SAYING you were, as you concede was illegal as it equalled a 'confession' as in the days of witchcraft & made you vulnerable to prosecution
kenfig 2 years ago
For a case to hold up there needed to be direct evidence and proof the law was broken by a man having anal sex with another or engaging in some other sexual behaviour on a lesser charge. There had to be direct personal confession to that, witnesses or reliable proof. To say I like men by itself was not illegal. Thats my point. Whether it was socially acceptable or could hinder opinion is another issue totally.
BungleZippie 2 years ago
continued. anyone prepared to take that risk was NOT ignored,they were LUCKY,as many, including highly public figures the actor Sir Alec Guinness , Steptoe actor Wilfrid Bramble & Actor & t.v. presenter of the 'Good old days' Leonard Sachs were all prosecuted for those offences.The fact is that by the early to mid '60s people, unless persistent 'offenders' were less likely to do 'time' for the offence because of changing opinion.Nevertheless like today they were usually fined & disgraced
kenfig 2 years ago
Well its true Coleman could say such a thing without any challenge once Health died. Indeed, he did it that year and not before. How does he know for example? The reality is Heath never got caught doing anything and there is no evidence he had any sexual relationship whether he was Gay or not. He choose not to say either way and its noone elses business anyway. It still doesnt distract from the point that sexual inclination was never illegal in itself when you said it was.
BungleZippie 2 years ago
Sir Peter Tapsell and Derek Conway both said Heath was not Homosexual. John Campell who did a biography of Heath said there was no evidence apart from gossip because Heath never married. Campell said that Heath at most was sexually repressed whether he was homosexual or not. The reality is we cannot know for sure or assume he was.
Although your the one calling him a Queer so I guess your still concerned to focus on any chance he was to use in a negative way.
BungleZippie 2 years ago
I accept what you read about those good friends of Heath of whom i at present know little about,because i read the same.Conversely, i read that in a 1972 biography by one Andrew Roth when Heath was P.M., that there was "a disturbing incident at the start of the war" & that the Conservative London assembly member Brian Coleman wrote in 'New Statesman' that "Heath was advised to cease his cottaging activities in the '50s when he became Privy Councilor.Why risk to libel someone without authority ?
kenfig 2 years ago
Brian Coleman said that after Heath had died or the same year when his Heath was in decline. There was no chance of there therefore being a libel. The reality is there was always low numbers of homosexuals charged with anything that occured in a private house even when people had ideas those living there were Gay. Many knew Kenneth Williams, Charles Hawtrey, Joe Orton, Quentin Crisp and many others were homosexual and it was largely ignored.
BungleZippie 2 years ago
Personally i will NEVER be inclined to take the view that anyone hoping to preserve their integrity would use as their sole motivation for writing something they felt was true the fact that someone was now dead.Coleman wasnt some silly immature 13 year old ; he was a distinguished & informed public figure.The public activity of cottaging,'soliciting' or 'importuning for immoral purposes' which were variations on the same offence of being caught engaged in or trying to engage in gay intimacy,
kenfig 2 years ago
continued. was ALWAYS open to prosecution & therefore involved considerable risk which, the likes of Orton frequently took according to his many friends & is well depicted in the movie 'prick up your ears' by Alan Bennett.Of course smoking dope is still an offence even if smoked at home but it is not easy to prove this.Accordingly one saying they are PLANNING a robbery to someone wont get them prosecuted unless the PLAN goes ahead & they are busted at the scene.Anyway,
kenfig 2 years ago
Edward Heath commited an act of treason by taking the British nation into the EEC. Its also recently come to light that Mr Heath was working for German intelligence (DVD) during WW2.
MI6 found out in 2005.
JustProud1 2 years ago
David icke says that ted heath was a rapist.
sploggon 2 years ago
So why did the public vote to enter?
BungleZippie 2 years ago
Because they were told it involved "no loss of essential national sovereignty", the people did not know what they were truely voting for, they were deceived.
Watch my video "a case for treason" if your still don't believe me.
JustProud1 2 years ago
What he signed up for is one thing but the relationship changed after that with ministers signing and agreeing new treaties and agreements. That was the issue for later giovernments and alot since the 1990s which had nothing to do with Heath. Euro sceptics only grow ground because of Thatcher although they were always happy with a free market with europe. heath signed for free market and economic trading. Thats not the same as the EU.
BungleZippie 2 years ago
In 1971 the foreign office sent the Heath government a set of papers, listed as FCO 30/1048, warning Heath that if he signed us up to the EEC, within three decades we would lose our constitution and cease to be an independant sovereign nation and merely be a region of Europe.
So Heath knew full well that by signing us up, the constitutiion would be subverted and bring about the end of Britain. Thats two crimes at common law of Sedition and Treason. Heath knew and he deceived the public.
JustProud1 2 years ago
Eeawh.. mmm heavens, what a sound!
hippojuice23 2 years ago
thanks! i love it!
weaverbc 3 years ago
Is Eric Idle the voice over?
KevvyT89 3 years ago
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heynow50000 3 years ago 2
Yes it was a Monty Python floppy disc. I think it came free with one of the original albums.
I used to have it.
egapnala65 2 years ago
this recording is hilarious.
I don't see why the comment sections here always must devolve into people screaming at each other about argy-bargy.
dereklpiper 3 years ago
He sounds somewhat similar to Gordon Brown.
DiametricOpposite 3 years ago
Enoch Powell
dealingwith2 3 years ago
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, liberal? I'm a socialist and proud, meaning I don't fear or hate others because of their race, religion, gender, sexuality or disability, or politcal view, except yours of course, but every one of your kind who ever stole a country from its people fell before the right and might of democratic socialism.
Matpat112 3 years ago
lol @ political fossils.
Seraphmodel02 3 years ago
So every political leader is no more than their sexuality? you xenophobic cretin. it is nice to see aswell that you are anti EU, I suppose you want the empire back?
matpat113 3 years ago 2
Empire=GOOD.
theredraven 3 years ago
I am so so so glad you have not made an over simplistic statement
Matpat112 3 years ago
Absolutely!
mickyh234 3 years ago
I wonder who people hated more, Heath or Thatcher.
ManlySlut 3 years ago
Thatcher, seriously, Thatcher. Heath wanted to compromise with the unions, Thatcher wanted to break their back, oh and cubansixteen, your words betray all who fought and died fighting facism in ww2
matpat113 3 years ago 5
Yeah, Thatcher is way worse. Her policy was basically "More money for bastards."
Heath, wasn't that good though.
Also, if you look on Wikipedia, until Blair came, every Conservative leader was prime minister. That's a very good reason to like Blair. First prime minister to force a conservative to resign before they fuck up the country.
ManlySlut 3 years ago
Blair was basically a Conservative anyway, hence his dad being a member of the Conservative party, and Blair being a former member of the young tories. So no real change in leadership anyway.
His as much socialist as Hitler was.
everyoneluvsheath 3 years ago
And by that you mean, he joined a Socialist party to appeal to voters?
I don't think so, what Blair did was to bring Socialism into the modern world, and by that he means the free market society. Basically, it was social justice and economic prosperity side by side, a kind of centrist view to the spectrum. That's why he won so many votes. In terms of British politics, he's centre left, but I guess in the truest sense, he's probably conservative. Oh well, still better than the Tories.
ManlySlut 3 years ago
Socialism is a difference from the injustice of a free market society. You're not very intelligent and just spill out whatever the media tells you. Learn to find your own opinions and do not be indoctrinated so easily. Your narrow mindedness is what winds me up with the society I have to live in.
everyoneluvsheath 3 years ago
Once the housing market got out of hand, Blair's 'socialism' became more tricky. I don't know whom to blame, but it resulted in the same old socio-economic issues keeping people down. How much housing was the govt. resposiblity and how much was simply the market is tricky. The banking situation was obvious - mortgage at 5x rather than 3x was an accident waiting to happen. Economically, the growth curve is followed by a similar shape curve in downturn, so Brown should have known that! Etc etc!
curlyceltic 2 years ago
The 'accident waiting to happen' was caused by excessively low coerced base rates of interest especially in the US, and the Central Banking cartel trying to profit from investing where their own inflation pushes up returns (thereby distorting investment, intersectoral prices and production so that the housing glut was as hidden from bankers until the 11th hour as the state of the loan funds market was to everyone) so there was no 'growth curve' but an illusion from increased inflation.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@everyoneluvsheath
That would be extremely socialist then.
(in response to someone joking that Blair, in apparently being conservative as opposed to socialist, was as socialist as Hitler was as if Hitler was individualist or conservative in any sense)
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@matpat113 Bollocks she killed the commies
Dalek1230 10 months ago
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Ted Heath was a Bum Boy really ; a right queer by all accounts AND he used to watch 'Rainbow' & 'Inigo Pipkin' every lunchtime - nothing wrong with THAT !
kenfig 4 years ago
Ha. lol.
dereklpiper 4 years ago
I know who you are Mr Heath, the devils boy, belials under study.
bigassballsyes 4 years ago