yep, there called adams rite trip wires. Pretty spendy set. I have actually got a chance to play with some.. it was pretty cool how they worked. even a medeco mortise has the little hole in the back of the cylinder for the tip of the key to pop out of.. nifty bypass.
Hey,I work as a locksmith enjoy your videos,im curious on your schalage bump keys you cut all the cuts deeper then #9 the deepest cut?Also I cut she shoulder back the thickness of a dime,you can also use a think a 1045 key blank for schlage,they are about 8 bucks but will work in all schlage keey ways E-F,thx
I am working in this building.. not breaking into it.. not need for it to be lock to show that the cylinder can be bumped.. you seen it turn and for a lockpicker..thats enough, no need to break in.. lol..
I was not "trying to get in.. "....just playing with the lock, no need to do no funky shit.. I have the keys to this building on my key ring..
if you took the time to read the comments... you would see i work at this building. my family owns this building.. I was just bumping it for fun.. no need to try to break in I own the keys to the building. I work on everything there including the locks. also this part of the building is empty. no renters. Untill i am done fixing it up.
if you want to sit here and tell me i am a criminal you can take that shit somewhere else. People know who I am, what I am about. dont try to tell me the laws in my area.. becuase i know them. you forget.. I sit around and pick locks with locksmiths weekly... you think i dont know whats going on.. lol. your nuts
I didn't call you a criminal, I said you were in violation of the law, why... well check the statues in your area, I simply said that what you are doing is probobly illegal if you do in fact still live in oregon.
I do still live in oregon and i know the oregon law. I can own lockpicks, as long as theres no intent. I can pick all the locks i want...because i own them or have the owners permission. I do not work as a locksmith.
having the owners permission does not necessarily give you the right to do practice locksmithing legally. Most LLE would probobly consider it a demonstration, or practicing locksmithing... just letting ya know.
Also whoever his landlord or insurer is could use the oppertunity to void his policy or lease.
Actually I have been a certified forensic locksmith (cfl) for just over 20 years, its not difficult to modify a vin if you truly understand things that look normal but scream stolen to a trained eye. Also it is possible to modify a vin's record in the MVRDB if you work at the right place. or at least it used to be much much easier...
Actually bumping does cause damage, particulary on the schlage locks with the spring loaded squeeze pin stack covers. They also mark up the face of the lock with a little rectangular mark. When I say B&E I mean the legal definition of the term (in most locations) "trespassing with intent to commit an indictable offense" burden of proof lies on you to prove you were practicing and not burglarizing.
look man.. people who know me... people who have done business with me.. and most importantly..i know, there nothing criminal going on here. I dont have to give proof for a damn thing.. infact,, your stating to get on my nerves. dont be coming here talking shit man. I tryed to be nice and hold my words back...but you justy wont let up.. I dont give a rats ass if you like bumping.. or if you doubt it works. or what kind of damage you think is causes.. truth be told. it works.
fact is, it causes damage. plain and simple, it is a giant ugly world and you have only explored a tiny city in it. If you took time to learn from someone besides 2600 you might find that there are much better ways to do things.
I am sure there are easier ways of doing things. I completely understand i only know a small part of locksmithing..I am hear to learn more just like everyone else. However i feel i have come a long way in lockpicking.
back to what I am trying to say, bumping is really a dead end, we locksmiths are going around and updating some of the really susceptable locks and there are plenty of people out there that don't know. some people dont have tv or internet... I don't demonstrate how to swap price tags on merchandise do I? or how to undetectably swap vin numbers on vehicles... or remove a cut and shut's salvage record from the MVD do we?
I can attest, "anti-bump pins" are not what they claim. They still do bump when they arent supposed to. one way that works is to have pin holes drilled in the plug can have a hole drilled to accept a pin with a larger top diameter than a small one, such as to prevent it from ever touching the bumps on a bump key.
Yea we all read the same artical about drilling the holes diffrent to not let One pin in the lock low enough to contact the peaks of a bump key.
I never said bump keys will work 100% of the time.
seeing how a bump key can be made out of any used key.. i think the time put in to cut it to a bump key is very much worth the trouble. I dont know about you but i get a success rate with my keys.
if you say "anti bump pins are not what they claim...they still bump"...and then try to tell us bump keys dont work.. your tripping over your own feet. .....how do they not work if they even beat a lock designed for anti bumping.. look.. I hate to sit hear and talk about how great bumping a lock is.. cause really i am not all into it myself. Like i said i am a lockpicker.. not a lock bumper or bypasser.
Bumping takes advantage of a flaw that some locks have ingrained into their construction. The serrated pins/coaxial pins/etc don't work as advertized when it comes to well timed bumping. There are things that locksmiths do when they come across a bumpable lock to make it extremely hard and a lot of the time impossible to bump, but the way of the industry says we don't release all of that information. SOME locks are vulnerable, some arent.
alright man.. how can we make our locks more secure,,, more secure then just adding security pins and pinning the lock hard to pick. what else can be done?
call your local locksmith and ask for him to make your locks pick or bump proof. There are many methods, and some involve more or less complex precision machining. Everyone has their own way to do it and if you want you can try to dissasemble it and figure it out, but no one who works in the highly competitive locksmithing industry (that isnt a fool) will give out their patent secrets online.
So after seeing all the videos of lockpicking and lock bumping, and talk all this about being about to "do something to the lock" to make it pick and bump PROOF. and your not even going to tell us what it is..? I am willing to bet its becuase theres not a hole lot you can do beside the obvious.
if you say your going around replacing locks that can be picked or bumped....lol....lol.lol..you got a long long way to go..lol every front door is the usa need your attention.
Actually there are quite a few ways to do it. Most involve a little bit of work and modifying all of your base residential key stock, ie modifying the keyblanks en masse. I use a vertical mill and a 3 post block for holding the key (kw1) in position to be modified. and a trapazoidal post block for my sc1's. In a pinch they can still be used to duplicate normal customer keys, but can be used in my modified locks. coincidentally it means customers have to return to us to get a key duped.
if you know exactly what you are doing yes it is theoretically possible. easy... far far from it. Almost every time you try anything besides a functional key you will almost certainly irreversibly jam the lock. My new design is not fail secure, but equally more difficult to pick and does not need any "slop" cut into the cylinder. I am doing field trials while my lawyer does the patent research for me.
I believe black and decker/kwikset/whoever currently holds a patent on an optical pin tumbler key reader with no moving parts and internally generated power supply that can read any normally cut key with beams of light. When that technology comes to market you can expect those locks to not only be pick proof, but able to set off an alarm as well as having an audit trail.
well cant say much for beans of light being about to read or decode anything.. becuse i know nothing about that. Thats some serious technology. when can we expect to se something like this? so..the patent is already there.. tools must be already desinged...tested? have you sen one personally. ?
I have seen a prototype. All it is is a plug with a slot in it. as the key is inserted and removed it reads the relative depths of the cuts ( they are quantifiable) and effectively reads the key's cuts off one by one, later models may read all of them at once.
a simple microcontroller says does this code (4 5 6 7 3)
(continued) match gmk mk? hkk? ck? if not, is it another key in our system? is it a key not in our system if so sound alarm. as there are no manipulatable parts then you must know the combination to use it.
I have to be honest, the idea is there. it sounds like it would make locks harder to pick and bump, however the lock would have to many things able to go wrong. say you pick it...jam up the wafer... {lock is screwed} ....{people wont like that}..and wouldnt there still be a chance of opening it with force,,,like a flat head screw driver.. after its been jammed. ?
well man.. I hope you get it all taken care of.. I'd like to pick one...lol
If it is done correctly you will have anywhere between 4 and 10 ball bearings and .003 wafers jammed between the 45 degree side millings on the plug. You could probobly force it but that would take quite some time and would be very difficult. The only reasonable solution is to drill the plug and let the crap fall out, then replace if you "explode" it from the inside.
I guess that could be an idea. sure would let you know if someone was messing with your locks.. get a mean ass keyway patent,,make the lock, your brand.. make some bucks... the average guy's might not buy becuase it cant be fixed.. only replaces..
so after time.. and ware on the key....will it jam up the lock one day?
its public locksmith knowledge. they do it or they dont. My design is totally diffrent but offers the same security, and yes, if you use keys alot in a system like that then you will have major "clicking" but if the ball bearing rolls over the outside of the plug it will be ok. If detecting tampering is your thing, do a search on "chubb detector locks" the very best kind of levers imo
I think I might hace seen that.. is that going to be the 3 key chubb lever lock..? I have seen it. crazy how you can re-set the levers and have a diffrent working key.
there is a dated method that isn't used much anymore but it involves shaving off the top of a cylinder, much as handymen do with files, but gently doing it to the sides as well at 45deg or so down to leave a .005 gap between plug and cylinder and having a both ball bearings and .003 wafers in the stack.
(continued) Have you ever gotten a small master pin jammed between the plug and housing? see my point? locksmiths are usually very experienced in engineering and no two do the same thing. however my new system (witch I wont describe in detail is much more secure than this and doesn't "fail deadly"
bump keys do work on occasion. They are not 100% reliable though. Its like someone who goes up and down streets trying car handles to see if one will open, surely with enough tries they may find one that will open, only the ratio of success is higher with bump keys.
I think of it as something like... teaching people to do something like swapping price tags at stores, its important to know how it is done; for a retailer, but for most other people it is the simplest way to commit a crime.
I get requests in my shop and I know they go to the hardware store and make 1000 copies and sell them to who knows who, thus I make them non functional and they sell copies that don't work. I make my keys distinguishable to me so that I can tell where they appear online and have seen them at some of the larger "bump key stores" online.
Find me 5 professional locksmiths who only use bump keys on all their residential and commercial lockouts and I will mail a check if they can prove they have a > than 90$ non destructive opening opening rate.
I said nothing about ONLY using bump keys.. dont be putting words in my mouth. I said i know a few locksmith who use bump key on call's.. as in use bump keys professionally.
bump keys are a good none destuctive tool. I have never heared of anyone breaking a lock with bump keys.. unless they for some stupid reason tryed to bump a wafer lock.
if cut right....{the way i cut them} then a bump key will work 90+ % of the time.
I don't have to advertize online. I get plenty of traffic in my shops. Lock bump keys have been around since 1925 or so... still, I get several requests per day to make a bump key, but I always make them less than functional. I wont reveal witch corporation I own, however check out the july issue of locksmith ledger for accurate info, btw, the latch mechanism doesnt matter, almost all mortise cylinders are build alike except for length and tailpiece design.
Lock bump keys have been around since 1925 or so... (thats the 1st correct thing i have heard or seen you type. Get down to ukbumpkeys dot com we'll show you all what its about! 8^)
First correct thing? how about everything else, the keys are not reliable enough for professional use... they dont work when the spacing is off in cousin lock systems, they work poorly on oversized plug pin holes with stiff upper springs. Those bump hammers are a waste of money. You yourself in your videos use a simple wooden mallet.
I know it. the wwod mallet does work.. a lot of things work.. but my 1st choice would be my "special bump hammer" dude..yyou have to have one to judge this.. seriously.
they are reliable, you talk like there is only one way to open a lock. your right cousin locks will be diffrent. same keyway diffrent space and depth spec's thats why a full nice set of bump keys are needed. just like a full nice set of lockpicksis needed or try outs...or jigglers...the more the better.
In my own personal experience bump keys have been very effective. with or with out the special hammer.. bump keys work 90% of the time if cut right
Actually most experienced locksmiths know better than to use jigglers, thus they don't use them. After you have been doing this for a few years you will find those full sets of lockpicks are really a joke to sell lots of inexpensive things for one big price. Same thing with tryouts keys (except for ford 10 cut when you use impressioning and you know the overlapping cuts. Mechanics and tow truck drivers use tryout keys and jigglers, they simply replace broken parts without regard to your expense
If you took the time, and threw out all the other tools except a tension wrench, and a short and long hook pick. You might realize you can pick a lock, then read it in the picked position and cut a key with a file that will be acceptable as a permanent working key without any dissasembly.
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against hobby locksmithing, but I only help those who have interests that appear to be more than how to b&e
so now I am a criminal?. I know how to pick and decode a lock.. I am impression a lock I know how to hand file a key .Or machine cut a key, I do have the equipment to do that. I already said i perfer to pick rather then jiggle anything. seem the only thing we dont agree on is that bump keys do work and are worth putting on the "thing to try list",
The law might very well define you as a criminal, many states forbid lockpicking outside of licensed or bonded professionals Oregon I believe is one of them.
So witch code cutting machines do you own? the PCH-1200, framon? Make a video, impression a ford 10 cut door, then impression the rest from the sidebar ignition (it is possible, they do leave impression marks when done correctly, I used to do this 4 times every day I worked)
well that explanes it. you think there no need for other tools. ..... thats why I believe hobby lockpickers are better at picking locks, you walk up on a lock... cant pick it and drill the damn thing out.. we dont.. we use other ways... we use our nice full pick set. or bump keys or snap pick or something. we dont touch a drill...
I do know many locksmiths tend to drill anything or everything, but to get good rates with the company that bonds and insures us we MUST have individual rates of non destructive opening somewhere greater than 80%. I do drill malfunctioning locks on occasion, I do not drill any residential lock that are functioning correctly except for high security locks that are impractical to rekey (dom ix, 120 parts, give me a break) when it would cost far less to replace the lock at 65 an hour.
So, pick a GM 10 cut ignition without a hole for sidebar tension. I will give you 500$ if you can do that on camera and prove it has all 9 wafers intact and matching the keycode. Actually scratch that, do 2 in GM 10 cut in coloum ignitions still in the vehicle's steering coloum I will give you 1250$. You should jump at this, that will buy alot of locksmithing tools.
MOST EXPERIENCED locksmiths only use a hook pick and a tension wrench. I do have a long reach hook pick for when I pick certain locks with a high MACS but I dont use it that often. Ball picks, especially double half ball picks are something that create sloppy habits. Raking and scrubbing locks over and over not only makes them easier to pick, it damages them, particularly wafer locks.
I use the other "funny looking picks" as tools to depress retainer pins or pull spring clips, the only lock a locksmith NEEDS (still can be done with a hook) to rake on a daily basis is the GM 10 cut once he has access to the sidebar. Point is that anything more than an HPC "novice" pickset is overkill. as a matter of fact, give me a situation where my hook pick (short or long) and a tension wrench wont work
trust me man.. some locks need diffrent tools. with a standord tool you would over set pins all day long.. you need slim lines...you need ofset picks...you need a selection!
USED TO USE they are old video's i will be creating more soon, just havent had the time to create any more... As for the keys, UKBUMPKEYS produce the best quality bump keys around for UK locks and if you read the forum you will see we have a very high success rate -cont
I would go as far as to say i have had a 98% success rate, A wide keyway (profile) is not an issue with our keys at UKBK as the UK profile is narrow anyway, so it's really only down to the depth of the cuts, this is where we excel in the UK...
I know they have always been around. I didnt mean to emply they are new. I am sure you know your shit. I dont doubt you one little bit. I am only a hobby guy myself. I take it pretty seriously.. but still only do it for hobby.
I cant say you seeling bump keys non-fuctionable for a price is to cool. but we all got our "things",
honeslty I dont know what a Y1 paracentric with 2 underdrilled plug holes is.. I assume your talking yale. but not sure aboutt the rest.
He was like "holy shit"! I tryed to tell him not to worry.. most people dont no how to do this.. ..he said.."most?".... I said.. yea most.. end of conversation.
this lock is not a deadlatch. if you watch the video you can see nothing in the space the latch would be. On the top and very bottom of the door is the locking mech. yes.. standord schlage mortise, with a couple security pins. this is thr type of lock you will see on many many small stores.
bump keys and "special bump hammers" work great. everyone knows it.
If you want to get technical its a flushbolt, most people don't know what a flushbolt is but it serves the same purpose of a dead latch. Those SC1 mortise cylinders almost never come with any security pins, and they are not intended to make bumping harder. Try bumping a Y1 paracentric with 2 underdrilled plug holes though.
Whenever I get requests to make "999 keys" , "bump keys" a schlage with all 9 depths, a kwikset with all 7 depths, or otherwise I always do it, for a price though. I figure a couple of them are work maybe 50-60 a piece, I always get my asking price, however I dont see too well so I might sell you a kwikset bump key with the depth and spacing of a schlage or vice versa. :-p
well if you are trying to get 50-60 a peace off a bump key your nuts. No one would buy that... no one i know. because.. if you stick around here..chances are you will end up with a set for free. lol.. we are hobby lockpicker..and help each other out.. so dont leave no advertisment commet on my videos. no one want you to cut nothing for them.. especially if your talking a 50-60 a key. get real. we all know how to make these keys
That is a standard mortise cylinder, usually with an adams rite deadlatch that it screws into. I see the tool user has bought into using one of those "special" bump hammers.... waste of money, also waste of money on bump keys... they are not as reliable as some other methods.
your wrong. a bump hammer is not a wast of money, I know from experience. I have used many things as a bump hammer and i know this works the best. ..and bump keys are not a wast of time and effort ether. I find them very effective if cut right. I make my own. and they work great. {machined}
I do perfer to pick. as i am a lockpicker.. not a lock bypasser.. but bump key for work. I know many locksmith who use then on locked out calls.
Allright, name 5 of them. They are professionals and they have nothing to hide, if they want to use bump keys and they work, they are within the limits of the law. Find me 5 locksmiths that only use bump keys and have a greater than 90% NDO (non destructive opening) ability. I will personally mail you a check for hmm what should I set the prize for? 50$ if your story checks out and I will post it here.
well... if i seen someone doing it I would no what they were doing.. so would a lot of people I know.. the cops in my area know what bumpkeys are. A ring a burglers were busted not to far from my area.... they were using bump keys. has not hit my new's yet.. but all in time.
also was wondering 'bout them BI-LOCK dual combos, or them ABLOY high security locks, do you know about them or know how to attack these suckers, some m8s use to make keys for bi-locks out of copper pipe and then file until all tumblers were flush, whammo a key
I am not sure about it. I have a few abloy cylinders...nothing special.. I have not picked them personally.. I lockpicker buddie of mine had picked them.. I am just now getting around to them.. once i got it down.. I will show you guys..
I would love to hear more about this making a key from a peace of copper pipe.. I could see that working.. know anything alse about it?
Very cool vid. Hey I have been meaning to ask you, if I go to a key making place would they make a bump key for me? maybe if I tell them it's for a foreign lock... well I don't know respond!! thanlcs
its kinda tricky. If you ask the guy at fred myers or a hardware store to make one, mostly likely he cant. to make one from scrach you need to file it of make it on a key machine able to cut to code. and if you ask a locksmith to cut you a key by code...then you tell him the code is 99999 or 77777 then he's going to do a double take a you... he's not stupid... he has bump keys to.
but if you take a pre-cut bump key to fred myers or bi mart or were ever they make keys {not a locksmith}
and ask the geek working to make you a copy they wont even no or care what the keys is all about....you might have to help him find the blank..but he should be able to copy with no problems.
dont had the locksmith a key and tell him its foreign. remember a loclsmith whoi's a lot more about keys then you.. he knows what you are trying to accomplish.. getting a bump key. you can try.. but i am telling you.. your going to get kicked out of the shop.. lol.. its happen to me when i was younger.. I have been kicked out of many locksmith shops for saying the wrong thing..
I thought it was a little crazy myself. I looked at it like this.. I had the building owner with me... we could do anything to the locks we wanted to. ballsy...hell ya.. lol
Me, just like everyone else dont want to heat from the fuzz, but I felt alright becuase i had the owner there. I still tryed to do it away from traffic. lol
those guys at lp101 just delelte me stuff. people ask about a lock...i show a video.../tell them how to open it.. and lp101 get's pissed and deletes my post. I am to advanced for general public...but yet not advanced enough for the advanced forum...
those guys even moved some of my post to the advanced forums...were i cant even see them...
lp101 will not let me show my videos... they say they are to advanced for the eneral public....yet i have been a member a long long time.. met all the requirement....made tons of good post...yet they still will not let me into the advanced forums. all becuase of my videos. they say i will just show everyone what i learned... thats site pisses me off like no other!
Yes i am on LP101 from time to time. but not a lot cause i get a lot of shit from a lot of folks on there..lol they dont like my videos. but i dont care.. i keep making them.
does it break the lock in the process?
SeeGabeGo 3 months ago
nice vid...all those bitchy kg4boj comments make me sick!
pinsetter1991 4 years ago
You know what, kg4boj is an asshole, huh? Don't listen to him slim, this video is awesome.
shiznit62 4 years ago
They make a kewl took that will go down the key way and flip the inside cam on most adams rite locks,kewl video though
Norticpunk 4 years ago
yep, there called adams rite trip wires. Pretty spendy set. I have actually got a chance to play with some.. it was pretty cool how they worked. even a medeco mortise has the little hole in the back of the cylinder for the tip of the key to pop out of.. nifty bypass.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Hey,I work as a locksmith enjoy your videos,im curious on your schalage bump keys you cut all the cuts deeper then #9 the deepest cut?Also I cut she shoulder back the thickness of a dime,you can also use a think a 1045 key blank for schlage,they are about 8 bucks but will work in all schlage keey ways E-F,thx
Norticpunk 4 years ago
called a mortise cylinder and its nothing more special than any other lock
VerdexNyctophage 4 years ago
Your right, Thanks for pointing out what we can all see for our selfs.. lol..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
nice vid
shitpickle1128 4 years ago
So you broke and entered a building which was already open to begin with. Brilliant.
+1 for bumping a lock
-5 for not trying the door first
algrant33 4 years ago
I am working in this building.. not breaking into it.. not need for it to be lock to show that the cylinder can be bumped.. you seen it turn and for a lockpicker..thats enough, no need to break in.. lol..
I was not "trying to get in.. "....just playing with the lock, no need to do no funky shit.. I have the keys to this building on my key ring..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
i'm suprised you didn't kill that kg4boi, jesus christ he done my eadin just reading his bullshit, anyway great vid slim
Lockylew 4 years ago
man you're so lucky you didn't get caught. you steal anything?
thesecondvice 4 years ago
hell freaking no I didnt steal anything.. I lockpick for fun, I am not a criminal and do not support any criminal activities.. this is a hobby.
The owner of the building was standing there with me.. watching me.. I was showing him..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
did he phone the police after?
thesecondvice 4 years ago
nope... I believe holy shit was his words..
then that was that.. we went on with the long day of work..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
You just broke into a store you felon!
RayAir1 4 years ago
if you took the time to read the comments... you would see i work at this building. my family owns this building.. I was just bumping it for fun.. no need to try to break in I own the keys to the building. I work on everything there including the locks. also this part of the building is empty. no renters. Untill i am done fixing it up.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Tell it to the judge.
RayAir1 4 years ago
I am telling you!
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
if you want to sit here and tell me i am a criminal you can take that shit somewhere else. People know who I am, what I am about. dont try to tell me the laws in my area.. becuase i know them. you forget.. I sit around and pick locks with locksmiths weekly... you think i dont know whats going on.. lol. your nuts
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
I didn't call you a criminal, I said you were in violation of the law, why... well check the statues in your area, I simply said that what you are doing is probobly illegal if you do in fact still live in oregon.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I do still live in oregon and i know the oregon law. I can own lockpicks, as long as theres no intent. I can pick all the locks i want...because i own them or have the owners permission. I do not work as a locksmith.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
having the owners permission does not necessarily give you the right to do practice locksmithing legally. Most LLE would probobly consider it a demonstration, or practicing locksmithing... just letting ya know.
Also whoever his landlord or insurer is could use the oppertunity to void his policy or lease.
kg4boj 4 years ago
well the landlord/owner of the building is my grandfather.. who I work for. so I dont think we have a problem there.
your talkig about switching vin's..tampering with salvage records...I think you might be doing a little to much as a locksmith.. ..pointer for ya..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Actually I have been a certified forensic locksmith (cfl) for just over 20 years, its not difficult to modify a vin if you truly understand things that look normal but scream stolen to a trained eye. Also it is possible to modify a vin's record in the MVRDB if you work at the right place. or at least it used to be much much easier...
kg4boj 4 years ago
you obviously know your stuff. Good thinking adding the bearing and .003 wafer, wouldnt that jam up the lock. ?
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
bumping is to picking as to someone breaking a piece of glass, vs someone who removes the pane for replacement.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I think that might be a little off. bumping is still a none destuctive entry.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Actually bumping does cause damage, particulary on the schlage locks with the spring loaded squeeze pin stack covers. They also mark up the face of the lock with a little rectangular mark. When I say B&E I mean the legal definition of the term (in most locations) "trespassing with intent to commit an indictable offense" burden of proof lies on you to prove you were practicing and not burglarizing.
kg4boj 4 years ago
look man.. people who know me... people who have done business with me.. and most importantly..i know, there nothing criminal going on here. I dont have to give proof for a damn thing.. infact,, your stating to get on my nerves. dont be coming here talking shit man. I tryed to be nice and hold my words back...but you justy wont let up.. I dont give a rats ass if you like bumping.. or if you doubt it works. or what kind of damage you think is causes.. truth be told. it works.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
fact is, it causes damage. plain and simple, it is a giant ugly world and you have only explored a tiny city in it. If you took time to learn from someone besides 2600 you might find that there are much better ways to do things.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I am sure there are easier ways of doing things. I completely understand i only know a small part of locksmithing..I am hear to learn more just like everyone else. However i feel i have come a long way in lockpicking.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
back to what I am trying to say, bumping is really a dead end, we locksmiths are going around and updating some of the really susceptable locks and there are plenty of people out there that don't know. some people dont have tv or internet... I don't demonstrate how to swap price tags on merchandise do I? or how to undetectably swap vin numbers on vehicles... or remove a cut and shut's salvage record from the MVD do we?
kg4boj 4 years ago
I can attest, "anti-bump pins" are not what they claim. They still do bump when they arent supposed to. one way that works is to have pin holes drilled in the plug can have a hole drilled to accept a pin with a larger top diameter than a small one, such as to prevent it from ever touching the bumps on a bump key.
kg4boj 4 years ago
Yea we all read the same artical about drilling the holes diffrent to not let One pin in the lock low enough to contact the peaks of a bump key.
I never said bump keys will work 100% of the time.
seeing how a bump key can be made out of any used key.. i think the time put in to cut it to a bump key is very much worth the trouble. I dont know about you but i get a success rate with my keys.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
if you say "anti bump pins are not what they claim...they still bump"...and then try to tell us bump keys dont work.. your tripping over your own feet. .....how do they not work if they even beat a lock designed for anti bumping.. look.. I hate to sit hear and talk about how great bumping a lock is.. cause really i am not all into it myself. Like i said i am a lockpicker.. not a lock bumper or bypasser.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Bumping takes advantage of a flaw that some locks have ingrained into their construction. The serrated pins/coaxial pins/etc don't work as advertized when it comes to well timed bumping. There are things that locksmiths do when they come across a bumpable lock to make it extremely hard and a lot of the time impossible to bump, but the way of the industry says we don't release all of that information. SOME locks are vulnerable, some arent.
kg4boj 4 years ago
yea we all know how to pin locks. no big deal... We all know how to make them harder to open...pining high and low.
what are you trying to say anyway.. ?
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
There is much more to making them pick-proof than pinning them.
kg4boj 4 years ago
alright man.. how can we make our locks more secure,,, more secure then just adding security pins and pinning the lock hard to pick. what else can be done?
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
call your local locksmith and ask for him to make your locks pick or bump proof. There are many methods, and some involve more or less complex precision machining. Everyone has their own way to do it and if you want you can try to dissasemble it and figure it out, but no one who works in the highly competitive locksmithing industry (that isnt a fool) will give out their patent secrets online.
kg4boj 4 years ago
So after seeing all the videos of lockpicking and lock bumping, and talk all this about being about to "do something to the lock" to make it pick and bump PROOF. and your not even going to tell us what it is..? I am willing to bet its becuase theres not a hole lot you can do beside the obvious.
if you say your going around replacing locks that can be picked or bumped....lol....lol.lol..you got a long long way to go..lol every front door is the usa need your attention.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Actually there are quite a few ways to do it. Most involve a little bit of work and modifying all of your base residential key stock, ie modifying the keyblanks en masse. I use a vertical mill and a 3 post block for holding the key (kw1) in position to be modified. and a trapazoidal post block for my sc1's. In a pinch they can still be used to duplicate normal customer keys, but can be used in my modified locks. coincidentally it means customers have to return to us to get a key duped.
kg4boj 4 years ago
you got tricky on us. ..however the lock could still be picked as normal. {?}
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
if you know exactly what you are doing yes it is theoretically possible. easy... far far from it. Almost every time you try anything besides a functional key you will almost certainly irreversibly jam the lock. My new design is not fail secure, but equally more difficult to pick and does not need any "slop" cut into the cylinder. I am doing field trials while my lawyer does the patent research for me.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I believe black and decker/kwikset/whoever currently holds a patent on an optical pin tumbler key reader with no moving parts and internally generated power supply that can read any normally cut key with beams of light. When that technology comes to market you can expect those locks to not only be pick proof, but able to set off an alarm as well as having an audit trail.
kg4boj 4 years ago
well cant say much for beans of light being about to read or decode anything.. becuse i know nothing about that. Thats some serious technology. when can we expect to se something like this? so..the patent is already there.. tools must be already desinged...tested? have you sen one personally. ?
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
I have seen a prototype. All it is is a plug with a slot in it. as the key is inserted and removed it reads the relative depths of the cuts ( they are quantifiable) and effectively reads the key's cuts off one by one, later models may read all of them at once.
a simple microcontroller says does this code (4 5 6 7 3)
kg4boj 4 years ago
(continued) match gmk mk? hkk? ck? if not, is it another key in our system? is it a key not in our system if so sound alarm. as there are no manipulatable parts then you must know the combination to use it.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I have to be honest, the idea is there. it sounds like it would make locks harder to pick and bump, however the lock would have to many things able to go wrong. say you pick it...jam up the wafer... {lock is screwed} ....{people wont like that}..and wouldnt there still be a chance of opening it with force,,,like a flat head screw driver.. after its been jammed. ?
well man.. I hope you get it all taken care of.. I'd like to pick one...lol
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
If it is done correctly you will have anywhere between 4 and 10 ball bearings and .003 wafers jammed between the 45 degree side millings on the plug. You could probobly force it but that would take quite some time and would be very difficult. The only reasonable solution is to drill the plug and let the crap fall out, then replace if you "explode" it from the inside.
they wont bump without making a mess of stuff.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I guess that could be an idea. sure would let you know if someone was messing with your locks.. get a mean ass keyway patent,,make the lock, your brand.. make some bucks... the average guy's might not buy becuase it cant be fixed.. only replaces..
so after time.. and ware on the key....will it jam up the lock one day?
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
its public locksmith knowledge. they do it or they dont. My design is totally diffrent but offers the same security, and yes, if you use keys alot in a system like that then you will have major "clicking" but if the ball bearing rolls over the outside of the plug it will be ok. If detecting tampering is your thing, do a search on "chubb detector locks" the very best kind of levers imo
kg4boj 4 years ago
I think I might hace seen that.. is that going to be the 3 key chubb lever lock..? I have seen it. crazy how you can re-set the levers and have a diffrent working key.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
there is a dated method that isn't used much anymore but it involves shaving off the top of a cylinder, much as handymen do with files, but gently doing it to the sides as well at 45deg or so down to leave a .005 gap between plug and cylinder and having a both ball bearings and .003 wafers in the stack.
kg4boj 4 years ago
(continued) Have you ever gotten a small master pin jammed between the plug and housing? see my point? locksmiths are usually very experienced in engineering and no two do the same thing. however my new system (witch I wont describe in detail is much more secure than this and doesn't "fail deadly"
kg4boj 4 years ago
bump keys do work on occasion. They are not 100% reliable though. Its like someone who goes up and down streets trying car handles to see if one will open, surely with enough tries they may find one that will open, only the ratio of success is higher with bump keys.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I think of it as something like... teaching people to do something like swapping price tags at stores, its important to know how it is done; for a retailer, but for most other people it is the simplest way to commit a crime.
kg4boj 4 years ago
If bump keys are not effective.. tell me why lock companys are now trying to make bump proof locks. ? why did master lock make a anti bump pin?
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
I get requests in my shop and I know they go to the hardware store and make 1000 copies and sell them to who knows who, thus I make them non functional and they sell copies that don't work. I make my keys distinguishable to me so that I can tell where they appear online and have seen them at some of the larger "bump key stores" online.
kg4boj 4 years ago
Find me 5 professional locksmiths who only use bump keys on all their residential and commercial lockouts and I will mail a check if they can prove they have a > than 90$ non destructive opening opening rate.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I said nothing about ONLY using bump keys.. dont be putting words in my mouth. I said i know a few locksmith who use bump key on call's.. as in use bump keys professionally.
bump keys are a good none destuctive tool. I have never heared of anyone breaking a lock with bump keys.. unless they for some stupid reason tryed to bump a wafer lock.
if cut right....{the way i cut them} then a bump key will work 90+ % of the time.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
nice im still trying to figure out the brinks lock with two paper clips.
alphabooger 4 years ago
I don't have to advertize online. I get plenty of traffic in my shops. Lock bump keys have been around since 1925 or so... still, I get several requests per day to make a bump key, but I always make them less than functional. I wont reveal witch corporation I own, however check out the july issue of locksmith ledger for accurate info, btw, the latch mechanism doesnt matter, almost all mortise cylinders are build alike except for length and tailpiece design.
kg4boj 4 years ago
Lock bump keys have been around since 1925 or so... (thats the 1st correct thing i have heard or seen you type. Get down to ukbumpkeys dot com we'll show you all what its about! 8^)
noodles70 4 years ago
First correct thing? how about everything else, the keys are not reliable enough for professional use... they dont work when the spacing is off in cousin lock systems, they work poorly on oversized plug pin holes with stiff upper springs. Those bump hammers are a waste of money. You yourself in your videos use a simple wooden mallet.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I know it. the wwod mallet does work.. a lot of things work.. but my 1st choice would be my "special bump hammer" dude..yyou have to have one to judge this.. seriously.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
they are reliable, you talk like there is only one way to open a lock. your right cousin locks will be diffrent. same keyway diffrent space and depth spec's thats why a full nice set of bump keys are needed. just like a full nice set of lockpicksis needed or try outs...or jigglers...the more the better.
In my own personal experience bump keys have been very effective. with or with out the special hammer.. bump keys work 90% of the time if cut right
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Actually most experienced locksmiths know better than to use jigglers, thus they don't use them. After you have been doing this for a few years you will find those full sets of lockpicks are really a joke to sell lots of inexpensive things for one big price. Same thing with tryouts keys (except for ford 10 cut when you use impressioning and you know the overlapping cuts. Mechanics and tow truck drivers use tryout keys and jigglers, they simply replace broken parts without regard to your expense
kg4boj 4 years ago
If you took the time, and threw out all the other tools except a tension wrench, and a short and long hook pick. You might realize you can pick a lock, then read it in the picked position and cut a key with a file that will be acceptable as a permanent working key without any dissasembly.
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against hobby locksmithing, but I only help those who have interests that appear to be more than how to b&e
kg4boj 4 years ago
so now I am a criminal?. I know how to pick and decode a lock.. I am impression a lock I know how to hand file a key .Or machine cut a key, I do have the equipment to do that. I already said i perfer to pick rather then jiggle anything. seem the only thing we dont agree on is that bump keys do work and are worth putting on the "thing to try list",
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
The law might very well define you as a criminal, many states forbid lockpicking outside of licensed or bonded professionals Oregon I believe is one of them.
So witch code cutting machines do you own? the PCH-1200, framon? Make a video, impression a ford 10 cut door, then impression the rest from the sidebar ignition (it is possible, they do leave impression marks when done correctly, I used to do this 4 times every day I worked)
kg4boj 4 years ago
well that explanes it. you think there no need for other tools. ..... thats why I believe hobby lockpickers are better at picking locks, you walk up on a lock... cant pick it and drill the damn thing out.. we dont.. we use other ways... we use our nice full pick set. or bump keys or snap pick or something. we dont touch a drill...
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
I do know many locksmiths tend to drill anything or everything, but to get good rates with the company that bonds and insures us we MUST have individual rates of non destructive opening somewhere greater than 80%. I do drill malfunctioning locks on occasion, I do not drill any residential lock that are functioning correctly except for high security locks that are impractical to rekey (dom ix, 120 parts, give me a break) when it would cost far less to replace the lock at 65 an hour.
kg4boj 4 years ago
yea.. exaclty... you drill.. we dont.. we are only none destructive entry..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
So, pick a GM 10 cut ignition without a hole for sidebar tension. I will give you 500$ if you can do that on camera and prove it has all 9 wafers intact and matching the keycode. Actually scratch that, do 2 in GM 10 cut in coloum ignitions still in the vehicle's steering coloum I will give you 1250$. You should jump at this, that will buy alot of locksmithing tools.
kg4boj 4 years ago
for 1, I have already been doing this for years, I do no that a locksmith dont jiggle everything. full lockpisk set are not a wast of money.
try outs are a wast of time.. unless you have narrowed down the code by checking out the other locks or using a decoding tool.
...so your a locksmith who does everything with a tension tool and hook pick.. really. I highly doubt that.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
MOST EXPERIENCED locksmiths only use a hook pick and a tension wrench. I do have a long reach hook pick for when I pick certain locks with a high MACS but I dont use it that often. Ball picks, especially double half ball picks are something that create sloppy habits. Raking and scrubbing locks over and over not only makes them easier to pick, it damages them, particularly wafer locks.
kg4boj 4 years ago
I use the other "funny looking picks" as tools to depress retainer pins or pull spring clips, the only lock a locksmith NEEDS (still can be done with a hook) to rake on a daily basis is the GM 10 cut once he has access to the sidebar. Point is that anything more than an HPC "novice" pickset is overkill. as a matter of fact, give me a situation where my hook pick (short or long) and a tension wrench wont work
kg4boj 4 years ago
trust me man.. some locks need diffrent tools. with a standord tool you would over set pins all day long.. you need slim lines...you need ofset picks...you need a selection!
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
USED TO USE they are old video's i will be creating more soon, just havent had the time to create any more... As for the keys, UKBUMPKEYS produce the best quality bump keys around for UK locks and if you read the forum you will see we have a very high success rate -cont
noodles70 4 years ago
I would go as far as to say i have had a 98% success rate, A wide keyway (profile) is not an issue with our keys at UKBK as the UK profile is narrow anyway, so it's really only down to the depth of the cuts, this is where we excel in the UK...
noodles70 4 years ago
I know they have always been around. I didnt mean to emply they are new. I am sure you know your shit. I dont doubt you one little bit. I am only a hobby guy myself. I take it pretty seriously.. but still only do it for hobby.
I cant say you seeling bump keys non-fuctionable for a price is to cool. but we all got our "things",
honeslty I dont know what a Y1 paracentric with 2 underdrilled plug holes is.. I assume your talking yale. but not sure aboutt the rest.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
you get request online or in your shop?
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
What did the owner think of it when he saw how seemingly easy it was to open the lock?
jkebxjunke 4 years ago
He was like "holy shit"! I tryed to tell him not to worry.. most people dont no how to do this.. ..he said.."most?".... I said.. yea most.. end of conversation.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
another thing.. I was given this bump hammer by a friend. its simle and very effective.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
this lock is not a deadlatch. if you watch the video you can see nothing in the space the latch would be. On the top and very bottom of the door is the locking mech. yes.. standord schlage mortise, with a couple security pins. this is thr type of lock you will see on many many small stores.
bump keys and "special bump hammers" work great. everyone knows it.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
If you want to get technical its a flushbolt, most people don't know what a flushbolt is but it serves the same purpose of a dead latch. Those SC1 mortise cylinders almost never come with any security pins, and they are not intended to make bumping harder. Try bumping a Y1 paracentric with 2 underdrilled plug holes though.
kg4boj 4 years ago
Whenever I get requests to make "999 keys" , "bump keys" a schlage with all 9 depths, a kwikset with all 7 depths, or otherwise I always do it, for a price though. I figure a couple of them are work maybe 50-60 a piece, I always get my asking price, however I dont see too well so I might sell you a kwikset bump key with the depth and spacing of a schlage or vice versa. :-p
kg4boj 4 years ago
well if you are trying to get 50-60 a peace off a bump key your nuts. No one would buy that... no one i know. because.. if you stick around here..chances are you will end up with a set for free. lol.. we are hobby lockpicker..and help each other out.. so dont leave no advertisment commet on my videos. no one want you to cut nothing for them.. especially if your talking a 50-60 a key. get real. we all know how to make these keys
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
That is a standard mortise cylinder, usually with an adams rite deadlatch that it screws into. I see the tool user has bought into using one of those "special" bump hammers.... waste of money, also waste of money on bump keys... they are not as reliable as some other methods.
kg4boj 4 years ago
your wrong. a bump hammer is not a wast of money, I know from experience. I have used many things as a bump hammer and i know this works the best. ..and bump keys are not a wast of time and effort ether. I find them very effective if cut right. I make my own. and they work great. {machined}
I do perfer to pick. as i am a lockpicker.. not a lock bypasser.. but bump key for work. I know many locksmith who use then on locked out calls.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Allright, name 5 of them. They are professionals and they have nothing to hide, if they want to use bump keys and they work, they are within the limits of the law. Find me 5 locksmiths that only use bump keys and have a greater than 90% NDO (non destructive opening) ability. I will personally mail you a check for hmm what should I set the prize for? 50$ if your story checks out and I will post it here.
kg4boj 4 years ago
never said a word about ONLY using bump keys on calls. only that they are used professionally
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
you could do that any where and people wouldnt have the slightest idea what you be doin,,,,,,,,,,,
aminalone 4 years ago
well... if i seen someone doing it I would no what they were doing.. so would a lot of people I know.. the cops in my area know what bumpkeys are. A ring a burglers were busted not to far from my area.... they were using bump keys. has not hit my new's yet.. but all in time.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
hhmmm yes experienced peeps would know but the general public wouldnt have a clue, especially if you dressed up in appropriate work wear,
i use to walk in restricted access buildings all the time impersonating the other workers.
aminalone 4 years ago
also was wondering 'bout them BI-LOCK dual combos, or them ABLOY high security locks, do you know about them or know how to attack these suckers, some m8s use to make keys for bi-locks out of copper pipe and then file until all tumblers were flush, whammo a key
aminalone 4 years ago
I am not sure about it. I have a few abloy cylinders...nothing special.. I have not picked them personally.. I lockpicker buddie of mine had picked them.. I am just now getting around to them.. once i got it down.. I will show you guys..
I would love to hear more about this making a key from a peace of copper pipe.. I could see that working.. know anything alse about it?
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
yes ,ill get back at you soon, cheers
aminalone 4 years ago
Very cool vid. Hey I have been meaning to ask you, if I go to a key making place would they make a bump key for me? maybe if I tell them it's for a foreign lock... well I don't know respond!! thanlcs
swweeetttt 4 years ago
its kinda tricky. If you ask the guy at fred myers or a hardware store to make one, mostly likely he cant. to make one from scrach you need to file it of make it on a key machine able to cut to code. and if you ask a locksmith to cut you a key by code...then you tell him the code is 99999 or 77777 then he's going to do a double take a you... he's not stupid... he has bump keys to.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
but if you take a pre-cut bump key to fred myers or bi mart or were ever they make keys {not a locksmith}
and ask the geek working to make you a copy they wont even no or care what the keys is all about....you might have to help him find the blank..but he should be able to copy with no problems.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
dont had the locksmith a key and tell him its foreign. remember a loclsmith whoi's a lot more about keys then you.. he knows what you are trying to accomplish.. getting a bump key. you can try.. but i am telling you.. your going to get kicked out of the shop.. lol.. its happen to me when i was younger.. I have been kicked out of many locksmith shops for saying the wrong thing..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Had to laugh when you locked yourself out! That was great.
Awlsome vid though! Kinda ballsy, lucky the man diden't cruise by.
bruno2260 4 years ago
I thought it was a little crazy myself. I looked at it like this.. I had the building owner with me... we could do anything to the locks we wanted to. ballsy...hell ya.. lol
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Nice job. I would've been scared even if I had the owner's consent.
slickrick1608 4 years ago
Me, just like everyone else dont want to heat from the fuzz, but I felt alright becuase i had the owner there. I still tryed to do it away from traffic. lol
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
thanks for the good ratings. always appreciate it.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
those guys at lp101 just delelte me stuff. people ask about a lock...i show a video.../tell them how to open it.. and lp101 get's pissed and deletes my post. I am to advanced for general public...but yet not advanced enough for the advanced forum...
those guys even moved some of my post to the advanced forums...were i cant even see them...
like i said they piss me off like no other..!
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
lp101 will not let me show my videos... they say they are to advanced for the eneral public....yet i have been a member a long long time.. met all the requirement....made tons of good post...yet they still will not let me into the advanced forums. all becuase of my videos. they say i will just show everyone what i learned... thats site pisses me off like no other!
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
I was wondering that same thing.. even though i was with the owner of the building....I still tryed to do it discreetly..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Hey slimpicking, thanks for commenting on my ABUS video. Are you about on LP101?
MAMMOONEEY 4 years ago
hey that was a cool video.
Yes i am on LP101 from time to time. but not a lot cause i get a lot of shit from a lot of folks on there..lol they dont like my videos. but i dont care.. i keep making them.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
What your user name on LP101
tmaxx258 4 years ago
I need a bump hammer. Where can I get one?
th55 4 years ago
what type of keyway was that on that mortise?
justinlterrell24 4 years ago
the keyway is a sc1 schalge keyway. ...if a business dont have something like a best or medeco...chances are they have a schlage.
a bump key for a schlage deadbolt would have done the job.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
awesome
hbk101274 4 years ago
No its not a hardware store. its an old sears building. real old. I work there remodeling on the weekends.
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago
Awesome.
th55 4 years ago
lol awsome is it hardware store or just a random one?
xXFaizeXx 4 years ago
I was with the owner of the building. I asked if I could play with the locks..
Slimpickingsooooo 4 years ago