and you're saying oil isnt a sustainable fuel? its a limited resource it will end someday. then what happens when all the oil is gone? we are left with ethanol.
and you're saying oil isnt a sustainable fuel? its a limited resource it will end someday. then what happens when all the oil is gone? we are left with ethanol.
Agriculture, with gigantic monocultures is the problem. This is the reason for the moving around of crops over long distances. The diameter of the life circles are of a totally insane architecture and based on pumping up more mineral oil. Life's architecture is based on small circles though. And we should go back there. Smaller circles, circles that exclude the stupid idea of waste will take away the need for this vast quantities of fuels. So a clean solution.
If gasoline is such a great product why is it being forced on the American people? I will gladly pay more for ethanol if I have to. Its made here. I support americans not towelheads that kill our children. E30 gets BETTER MPG than unleaded. All I can say to you ethanol detractors is one of you suckers is born everyday. Keep buying from the terrorists you unAmerican fags
Let me explain it like I do to little kiddies. Farmer grows corn, farmer sells corn to ethanol plant, ethanol plant takes starch out of corn to make product. What is left is a concentrated grain called distiller's grain with 3 times the protein and many times the fiber as regular corn. This is sold back to the farmer cheaply and helps prevent acidosis. We are not "burning our corn fields".
This guy doesn't know shit. He's from the oil companies here to try and screw over ever method of transportation that won't earn him a fuck load of cash. AND IT ISN'T BEING "FORCED" ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT WOULD BE OIL.
Facts, where are the facts???? Yes the corn isn't a great source, but grow up ethanol IS the answer, try sugar beets, or waste. The fact that we can MAKE it from almost anything that is fermentable is awesome. I can make it at home for little, if i can why can't big business? Cause big business is paying for junk like this to discourage people from DOING. just like th tobacco companies saying cigarettes don't cause cancer. It is called SPIN!
The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
E-10 soll in Deutschland einen Anteil von 90%, dazu sind rund 3 Mill. t Ethanol erforderlich, dazu werden ca. 10 Mill. t Getreide benötigt .Das sind ca. 25% der Getreideernte , also 2 Mill. ha Ackerfläche (16% Ackerfläche).
Auf 2 Mill. Hektar bieten Nahrungsmittel für ca. 10 Mill Menschen!
Die weltweiten Getreidevorräte nehmen ab, in vielen Ländern herrscht Hunger (z.B. Ägypten). Mit E-10 werden die Probleme verschärft!
w w w. extremnews. com/nachrichten/natur-und-umwelt/b36c135e30aad53
@mskz06 It takes over a gallon of gas to make a gallon of ethanol. ethanol can't travel in pipelines, it has to be driven by gas guzzling trucks. The sheiks still make their money. Open your eyes.
No it doesn't. The Pimentel study was the only one that said there was a negative energy balance out of about 7 studies, although it was cited by the media more often. Distillation process usually involves NG not oil products in US. Its not perfect but better than the status quo.
Ethanol tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
"As one of the largest blenders and marketers of biofuels in the nation, we blended over 1 billion gallons of ethanol with gasoline in 2008 alone," BP boasts on its website. According to the Energy Information Association, BP is the fourth largest ethanol blender in the country.
EWG notes that in 2008 the VEETC was worth 51 cents per gallon, which means BP would have brought in $510 million.
Plus, virtually no impoverished nation will accept our corn, even when it is offered as charity, due to its being genetically modified and therefore unfit for human consumption.
Also, fermenting the corn to alcohol results in more meat than if you fed the corn directly to the cattle. We can actually increase the meat supply by first processing corn into alcohol, which only takes 28% of the starch, leaving all the protein and fat, creating a higher-quality animal feed than the original corn.
Brazil opens world's first ethanol-fired power plant
by Reuters
Brazil on Tuesday opened the world's first ethanol-fueled power plant in an effort by the South American biofuels giant to increase the global use of ethanol and boost its clean power generation.
State-run oil giant Petrobras and General Electric, which helped design the plant, are betting that increased use of ethanol generation by green-conscious countries will boost demand for the product.
ethanol is water based . i made some in my back yard to run my 4 stroke 4 wheeler . and the only way i could get it to not fill my fueltank with settled water was to keep it mixed with a evap carberator . so now i control the air on a clear glass jar vaper carb . and it will also rust out your exaust so get stainless.
But it gets worse: among the major beneficiaries of our country's corn-loving ways is BP. The oil giant stands to gain $600 million through ethanol tax breaks this year alone.
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
The real truth about ethanol and food vs. fuel can be found in The Auto Channel videos and website. Sorry, Hollis' position is wrong. He's not part of the "agriculture family" he's part of the "oil family."
Free energy labeled 'economic terrorism' - The widespread adoption of these new, non-polluting energy and propulsion systems will effectively replace the use of oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, impacting 4.5 trillion dollars a year in world economic activity, replace the current? geo-political order with one based on decentralized abundance. (Examiner; March 21, 2009)
Myth #1: It Takes More Energy to Produce Ethanol than You Get from It!
Most ethanol research over the past 25 years has been on the topic of energy returned on energy invested (EROEI). Public discussion has been dominated by the American Petroleum Institute’s aggressive distribution of the work of Cornell professor David Pimentel and his numerous, deeply flawed studies. Pimentel stands virtually alone in portraying alcohol as having a negative EROEI—
@mikehanoo33 I don't know about Pimentel, but I do know that oil, unlike corn, does not have to be "planted", nor does it require a growing season; it only needs "harvesting" - if the government would just knock off the CO2/global warming nonsense and allow drilling.
@4TIMESAYEAR Well here's a little headline for you Einstein , OIL IS TOXIC , its killing the planet , the air , the water and the soil , and all life that tries to occupy these things , do you understand that ? If not get off the internet and stop posting because your to stupid to have a rational debate with !!!!
@4TIMESAYEAR > Yeah thats why the exxon valdez spill is still being cleaned up and the oil companies still refuse to pay any claims , and we have toxic oil spills and pools all over this planet watch the documentary CRUDE then get back to me !
@mikehanoo33 Uh-huh - and there are always those out to use any disaster to make a bundle.
Oil naturally percolates up from the ocean bottom and nature takes care of it. See "Environment Natural Oil 'Spills': Surprising Amount Seeps into the SeaBy LiveScience Staff posted: 20 May 2009 10:04 am ET"
@4TIMESAYEAR > Its funny that it only seeps where we have dug deep into the ground for it , like off the coast of Santa Barbara , hmm , just a coincidence one of the worst oil spills happened there during the early 70's . Save your oil company propaganda for those unable to discern the truth from lies !!!
"These massive handouts flow to oil companies like BP and only cement our dependence on environmentally damaging sources of energy ... the other issue here, with BP, is that Congress has created this $5 billion-a-year energy program and taxpayers have little idea who's getting the money."
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
"As one of the largest blenders and marketers of biofuels in the nation, we blended over 1 billion gallons of ethanol with gasoline in 2008 alone," According to the EIA , BP is the fourth largest ethanol blender in the country.
Ethanol is a shitty fuel, it takes forever to grow, won't get as good MPG and it take a ton to produce 85 gallons from corn(which is higher then sugercane i must say). but it can and does work. Now i'm all for the other alternatvies but lets not poo poo on ethanol cause it is a sorce of energy
@kenfla2 The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
@mikehanoo33 Your counting the steel for the tractors??So what, that accounts for 1 cent over the useful life of the tractor, if that?
The average cost of an ethanol plant if 1 dollar per gallon produced. And that is everything from field to barrel, wages and all. Now that don't sound to bad to me.
Now we can have a pissing match all day long but it will get us nowhere. Ethanol works even if it is a bad energy source. Let hope the other alteritve will come through so we wont need ethanol.
@kenfla2 In fact, it’s oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. That’s just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it (from the Persian Gulf, a distance of 11,000 miles in tanker travel).
@mikehanoo33 Its also a fact that its getting way expensive and one day will run out. Not to mention there is a slick out in the gulf right now. Now, do we wait till the last drop of oil is pump out of the ground or do we start working on the sources that is already proven to work.
@kenfla2 Did you read my post ? I don't know what you are talking about , I support bio fuels , I don't like big oil companies or using toxic dirty oil , please be more observant in the future or don't post !
@mikehanoo33 What? Maybe you need to go back over your post. To me it reads like your against Ethanol or biofuels in general. If not, then be more CLEAR about it. Remeber, this is youtube.
And what the hell do you mean by "oil that has a negative EROEI"? What does EROEI mean anyway?
@kenfla2 >Sorry to throw all of these things around with these long initials , I can see how it would be confusing ,In physics, energy economics and ecological energetics, EROEI (energy returned on energy invested) its basically what you put into the thing to get a gallon of fuel , and the oil companies have been using flawed old data , or they just make stuff up , the oil companies are EVIL and they need to be brought to justice and shut down , as they destroy are planet , enough is enough !
The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
You want to no why Ethanol is being (forced on you)? Why don't you study peak oil for a year and ask the same stupid question. and another thing Ethanol is cleaner people would not burn it inside for cooking if it wasn't, Why don't you think about what you are saying before make your self look like an idiot.
Oh- brother! This is a blowhard. He states that ethanol is being forced and the real story is that dirty bi-product from oil is waist product that the oil companies have put on the world and they could not even sell dirty oil crap if the American people where not forced to buy it in the first place.
because it takes 130 gallons of fossil fuel to produce 100 gallons of ethanol. It is a huge scam. Look it up. It takes more energy to produce one gallon of ethanol than the ethanol actualy has in it!
U can grow sugarcane in Florida,Lousiana,Alabama,all Central America,Haiti,Hawaii and all you need is rain water, that's it basically. Also u get up to 7 times the amount of ethanol opposed to corn's ethanol. Must be Texaco,Citgo,Chevron and Exxon paying the lobbbyist in Washington... Look at Brazil with sugarcane, My grandfather 1973 vw runs on 50/50 gas and ethanol wit it's original engine. Thank you...
Just one tank of ethanol uses enough corn or wheat to feed a hungry person for a year. They made you feel like you are doing a good thing putting it in your cars.
@bullant2 The US has enough cornmeal stockpiled to feed the entire country for 4 generations. If it isnt being pumped into your cars for profit you can be sure it isnt going to hungry kids in Africa. Ethanol sucks but you arent taking away from anyone.
I have built 12 Ethanol plants and I work for the Largest green builder and we have built 90% of the plants out there. I can assure you I have never worked for a more honest company and a family owned company at that, that has cared more for the workers and american people than these.
if ethanol is so dirty how is it that cooking stoves can run on ethanol in the house, and i would like you to name one farmer that doesn't like having another place that he can sell his corn. personally it makes Standford university look a bunch of idiots.
@razorgarf The most exhaustive study on ethanols EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
@simontimon2 A better question is why does oil still get tax payers dollars? Oil companies have plenty of cash already, move the susidies to clean and sustainable alternatives.
@simontimon2 Myth #5: Big Corporations Get All Those Ethanol Subsidies, and Taxpayers Get Nothing in Return!
Between 1968 and 2000, oil companies received subsidies of $149.6 billion, compared to ethanol’s paltry $116.6 million. The subsidies alcohol did receive have worked extremely well in bringing maturity to the industry.
@simontimon2 I believe its quite constitutional to grow crops on your land and do what you please with them , many things are grown on land that are not for food , flowers , hemp , cannabis, poppies , trees , ect . Growing corn or sugar cane for fuel would help the local economies and spread the wealth that is now centralized with a few very rich families in this world , millions of new jobs could be created locally .
@simontimon2 >Between 1968 and 2000, oil companies received subsidies of $149.6 billion, compared to ethanol’s paltry $116.6 million. The subsidies alcohol did receive have worked extremely well in bringing maturity to the industry. Farmer-owned cooperatives now produce the majority of alcohol fuel in the U.S. Farmer-owners pay themselves premium prices for their corn and then pay themselves a dividend on the alcohol profit.
Oil's get's big subsidies, not ethanol. Wrong by 54 times!
US General Accounting Office report showed that ethanol had received $11.6 billion in tax incentives since 1968, while the oil industry had received over $150 billion in tax benefit over the same period.
Probably true. But the oil industry produced 1068 times more energy so the subsidy rate per unit energy was 54 times higher for ethanol. That's like ethanol gets 54¢ and oil gets 1¢.
@simontimon2 The New York Times investigated the oil industry’s subsidies and reported Sunday that they totaled $4 billion annually, adding that “an examination of the tax code indicates that oil production is among the most heavily subsidized businesses, with tax breaks available at virtually every stage of the exploration and extraction process.
@4TIMESAYEAR >> They do get some , but most of the subsidies are going to the oil companies , I just showed you proof , can you not read ? I get tired of debating with oil company sell outs that think its ok to destroy the planet so they can have a lot of money and material things , are you aware of this thing called the GULF SPILL ! If that does'ent bother you then you have no right to be here !!!!!! Check out "Who killed the electric car" and "FUEL" then get back to me .
@4TIMESAYEAR > And maybe it would help the bio fuel industry in America to get rid of the subsidies , they did it in Brazil some years ago , and at first it was very hard on the industry , but the farmers fought back with the scientists and others , now they have the highest percentage of bio fuel cars running out of all the big countries , over 85% of there cars run on bio fuel , we could even buy some of there extra fuel if bush hadn't put a 50 cent per gallon tariff on it .
Josh reported yesterday on the National Corn Growers Association's attempt to put a farmer-friendly spin on the Gulf disaster by promoting ethanol as an alternative. Among the major beneficiaries of our country's corn-loving ways is BP. The oil giant stands to gain $600 million through ethanol tax breaks this year alone.
@simontimon2 >The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
As I understand David Blumes's view, he proposes local production of biofuel from a variety of sources (not just corn).
The local micro-production would eliminate the inefficiency of transporting Ethanol, from Iowa and as he says, you can make aclohol fuel from much more than just corn.
He also advocates getting your car coverted to run both alcohol and gasoline thus eliminating the inefficiency and other problems of running alcohol/ethanol in an eningine made for gas.
Did you know you can run more than 10% ethanol in your vehicle now without a conversion kit. I run 20-30% in my truck and there is no loss of fuel efficiency.
I think GM is full of shit,because they want to sell flex fuel vehicles. I have a 2006 kia spectra that I run 50 percent blend of ethanol full time. I have been doing that for 50.000 miles with no problems at all. I don't have a problem with the GM car company but my family worked in the car busyness for many years, no car dealer is going to advise you to do anything that will void warranty they don't want to get blamed for any thing that goes wrong. Hoses in newer cars are ethanol tolerant.
What do you mean the pollution on the production end is mammoth. Farmers farm. They plant corn, soybeans, wheat whatever. Then they harvest it and sell it. That is how they make their living. Would you expect them to not use machinery? Ridiculous! I would agree the farm lobby is powerful, for good reason. But the oil lobby is probably the strongest loobby out there. For every report funded by RFA or ACE there is a report funed by OIL.
Dude, you are not understanding what I wrote. Corn prices are LOW but food prices remain HIGH. Did the rise in food prices come from ethanol? No. Corn is a dirty fuel? I have read many reports on ethanol. The report most skeptics refer to uses ethanol technology from the 70's and 80's. I agree there are better ways to produce ethanol but they are not economically viable.
I have actually used higher blends of ethanol and depending on the vehicle the fuel milage increased or did not change. The best part of it, I paid less than you did. So it does not matter who supported the studies the studies are acurate.
Ignorance comes from Harvard too. Corn ethanol is stupid, but your calculations are preposterous. My neighbor has a Saab that gets identical mpg on e85, so don't believe the McBush propaganda. Ethanol has a higher octane rating which can be utilized for more power from the same displacement. That means that an identical powerplant makes more horsepower at identical rpm ranges. Butanol has the potential to replace both oil and ethanol.
Stop being blinded by the fact that this is a Fox News video. All the liberal entities are speaking out against ethanol. The people who support ethanol include farmers, lobbyists and pandering politicians that need Midwest votes like Obama. If Obama wasn't so good on ANWR and other environmental issues, I wouldn't vote for him. I'm a tree-hugging liberal with a great education, yet you assume, for some extremely odd reason, that I'm an uneducated redneck. You make no sense.
ethanol is a big scam because food pices are going up because of it and you guys blam it on Gorge Bush because global warming and all of that crap is not Gorge Bush fault because he didnt do anything to cause that to happen
30% ethanol + 70% gasoline produces more mpg and few pollutants of all kinds in many vehicles. Don't believe anything from Fox News, Prince Georgie or the Big Oil who pays them all to fuck us over.
30% ethanol will NOT under ANY circumstances come even close to straight gas in milage. Do some simple research regarding BTU's and you'll have your answer. E-10 caused an 18% reduction in milage in my JEEP, and older cars see an even LARGER reduction in milage. On a cross country trip I took in a model T we got 26-28 MPG on gas, yet 18 was the best we could get from E-10. One guy got E-85 at one stop and 10 MPG was what he got, and had no power.
I hate to go all scientific on you, but do a google search for "optimal ethanol blend-level". The "power" comes from two factors BTU's and octane. Of course, not all fuel-vehicles are programmed to take advantage of the higher octane present in ethanol fuels. It's a simple matter of managing ignition timing versus the knock sensor already present in the engine. Very simple stuff that can easily be manipulated. A turbo or supercharger makes it even more efficient.
Well, that is meaningless without context and probably meaningless with context. Regardless, the vast majority of science says ethanol is a horrible idea. Just lobbyists and farmers want it.
"Optimal ethanol blend-level" has little relevance because optimal refers to the blending of ethanol and gas. 100% gasoline will always get better mpg than any blend of gas and ethanol. Plus, ethanol production pollutes horribly and is a wasteful, inefficient process.
Just ignore science and the chemistry of ethanol and gasoline. Try not to drink the McBush oil Kook-aid. Do a google search for "optimal ethanol blend-level". Most flex-fuel vehicles get BETTER mpg with a blend of 20% to 30% ethanol. Hopefully you're not just stupid and ignorant, but instead are receiving a McBush Kook-aid paycheck from the oil companies.
McBush Kook-aid??? That just shows your ignorance on the issue. Bush and McCain are completely at odds when it comes to ethanol. Bush ran on an ethanol ticket. He is the one that spurred the current ethanol "boom." McCain on the other hand wants to eliminate Bush's ethanol subsidies. Obama wants to keep them.
Why would I be a McBush man? I hate Bushs ethanol policies. I hate republican farm policies. I voted for Obama yesterday, but I still hate Obamas support for ethanol. Read.
Stop ignoring the science. You're drinking the Big Ethanol kool-aid my friend.
Also, many oil companies advocate for ethanol, so you are wrong with that insult, too.
You might want to actually pay attention to politics and learn who supports what before you start yapping at others. As they stand, your insults make no sense.
I moron, I'm a Obama supporting, Toyota driving, SUV hating, ANWR loving, Treehugger. I hate ethanol because no intelligent economist or environmentalist supports it. My hippie, Harvard educated biology professor preached against ethanol back in 2000.
You have your assumptions wrong. It is redneck and rural folk who want ethanol. The only people that still support ethanol live in the Midwest.
You tree huggers have no f***ing clue. You just sit with your heads up your asses. You think just because you are so called GREEN people that your shit don't stink. Well here is a thought for you. Sell all your belongings and go live in the F***ing woods and see how well you do. Probably only last a week at best.
Well, wouldn't people that selfishly and naively support ethanol be the ones that don't have a clue?? You couldn't be more wrong about meand everything. First, I hate the term "green." Second, being an environmentalist is all about thinking that your "shit" does stink; and, it is about working to be better (i.e. stink less). It is the opposite of being selfish and self-centered.
Actually, I do wonderfully in the woods. I hike, climb, and igloo at 13,000 feet.
Food prices are high for many reasons, one of those reasons is ethanol. But, really, that is small potatoes. Corn is a dirty fuel and it is a horribly inefficient way to produce mobile power. It might burn cleaner, but the pollution on the production end is mammoth. It creates great amounts of air, water, and soil pollutions. The farm industry is one of the dirtiest industries in the country. We don't need to make it dirtier. And, if we use ehtanol, it shouldn't come from corn.
Sorry ethanol did not drive up food prices. where do think the corn goes when it has fermented. it goes to feed live stock, as most corn goes. what drove up food prices is big oil manipulating future prices and transportation. I agree corn is not the best feed stock. we could be using a feed stock that needs to be planted once and harvested year after year.
Go out and read the ethanol science. Read the science from people who aren't part of the farming lobby. No one really supports ethanol anymore. The Midwest (of which I'm from) is just holding onto the pipe dream. The farm lobby is powerful and controls policy like the oil lobby. However, go read the articles by the science professors or by the economists. I've been following it for years. I was told it was a horrible idea back in college in 2001, but politics...
I googled "optimal ethanol blend-level" and read your study. It was conducted by the COALITION FOR ETHANOL!! Please. Plus, it is an older study, which is contrary to more recent studies by nonpartisan groups--or significantly less partisan groups than the COALITION FOR ETHANOL. Please...
Plus, it only produces less pollutants if you ignore the whole production side, which is horribly inefficient.
Two well accepted scientific studies this year indicate that ethanol will double greenhouse gas in 30 years. This is nothing new. My biology professor said corn ethanol is a horrible idea 9 years ago. Hell, my sister was an ag business major and she knows corn ethanol is a horrible idea.
Sure. I was hoping for at least one reason but he only danced around the issue. That's because there isn't. By the way why are they using corn? Use sugar cane, beets, etc. Ethanol makes air dirtier? Prove it.
Figures Faux News would be hosting this crook who obviously is being paid by Big Oil. Ethenol Vs. Big Oil. The little guy vs. the Big Corporations. Another David and Goliath Story. We'll win.
soon we all be able to get ethanol and then big oil will have a competitor oil has never had to compete competition will drop those high gas prices like a box of hot rocks
american sourced oil would cost us less than ethanol AND foreign oil for a host of reasons, the money stays in the USA therefore the economy would flourish , the oil infrastructure is already here, reducing costs, it would allow more SMALL oil companies to form and compete; competition is good for any market, it lowers prices (BASIC ECONOMICS!!!), no need to make food into fuel, the food prices would drop (also, lower oil prices = lower food prices). WE CAN DO IT, JUST LIFT THE DRILLING BAN!!!!
STOP THE ETHANOL SCAM!! the true solution to foreign oil is to drill here in our own huge petroleum reserves, there are an estimated 86 billion barrels of oil in untapped offshore deposits, ALSO the USA has huge deposits of oil shale which has over 1.8 TRILLION barrels of extractable oil , over 5X the saudi oil deposits , MORE THAN MOTOR FUEL COMES FROM OIL , EVERY SINGLE INFRASTRUCTURE USES OIL!!!, CO2 IS NOT THE DANGEROUS GAS THAT THE GREENIES TELL YOU, ITS PLANT FOOD!! GLOBAL WARMING IS FAKE
Ethanol and biodiesel are first generation fuels with significant problems, even acknowledged by some of its makers such as Amyris. However, according to research discussed at BIO 2008 new algal fuels can produce fuels identical to gasoline, with lower production costs than ethanol. Some other research uses natural gas to boost fuels into new hydrocarbons that burn cleaner and with more power.
Where did you get $1200 a barrel from? Petro may soon be up to that some day, but did you even look to see how simple it is to make the fuel sapphyre energy is producing?
"Sapphire Energy has built a revolutionary platform that uses photosynthetic microorganisms to produce a renewable, high-value replacement for fossil fuel petroleum. This domestic crude oil requires only sunlight, CO2 and non-potable water -- and can be produced at massive scale on non-arable land."
Brazil has more then enough if we had to (which we don't have to) we could import it from Brazil. Beats the hell out of importing oil from the Middle East
Most people are slowly learning that diverting food crops to make biofuel for inefficient SUV's is a "Crime Against HHumanity", but few people seem to understand the well-documented science of the deadly cancer-causing atmospheric "aldehydes" that are produced when ethanol from any source (food OR cellulosic) is burned in internal combustion engines. See YouTube video: "Burning Ethanol: DEADLY Aldehydes"
Biodiesel also produces these unhealthy aldehydes (like Formaldehyde and Acetaldehyde).
Ethanol simply means you pay twice. First you get slashed for subsidies, second, you get slashed at the pump. While I do agree that ethanol isn't workable, it is NOT causing food prices to rise. I just saw a video about this.
The price of oil and U.S gov monetary inflation is causing food prices to rise. It's so because of shipping and equipment fuel costs.
Ethanol will not replace oil completely but it will help diversify our fuel supply. Can you imagine going to the grocery store and only having one type of food to choose from? And the price of the food could be raised by a foreign cartel? Only when we have enough alternatives to create competition for oil as a fuel source will we be able to have lower prices, etc.
Corn ethanol takes more energy to produce than it makes, is terrible for the environment, and is causing food prices to rise, thereby hurting poor people more than anyone else. Case closed.
Case closed? Maybe not. Check out the You Tube video -"Increase of ethanol production really raising price of food?" Also remember that what you are hearing here is from the "F word network" and we all know they have an agenda.
ha ha ha its funny cuz its fox news.... check out a company called "the alternative energy center" (AETE) they make whats called cellulosic biofuels. they make a variety of products from bio waste... AND THEIR STOCK IS INSANELY LOW DUE TO A SPAM INCIDENT!!! im in at .45 ha ha ha this company is cutting edge tech
You know what would probably make good biofuels? Illegal drugs like liquidated cocaine, heroin, marijuana, etc. We could turn the largest illegal and renewable industry in the world into a savior for mankind and the environment! If the world governments could convince the drug lords in Afghanistan, Columbia, St. Vincent, etc. to sell all their drugs to biofuel companies instead of people, we could kill two or three birds with one stone! Although we'd need extra security at the pumps for addicts.
Exactly! Thats what happens when you put idiots in charge of things. They only show you the negative side of things. Corn does not produce enough sugars. Sugar beats and sugar cane, the two best things to use for ethanol production.
Except that the "whiny environmentalists" are actually against ethanol. Ethanol is a scam perpetrated by those who make money off of the subsidies. REAL environmentalists consider it a huge waste of money--a scam that takes money away from real research into alternatives.
Its called nuclear waste. Where is it stored? The uranium tubes are only good to use until half of their "life" has been used. Thats why they are still able to make nuclear bombs out of used uranium. By the way, America will never agree on anything until both sides come to a conclusion. The far right wing and far left wing idiots are the ones affecting this country the most. Lets start making both sides happy. The only way to do that is to stop bowing to Limbaugh and O'Reily and do whats right.
nuclear power plants are stupid, they should also be shut down, think of the danger from them! What if they go into nuclear meltdown? ..or get bombed? Nuclear plants threaten the lives of thousands, plus there's tens of thousands of tons of nuclear waste just stored in the Yucca Mountains because of it! Those tubes have a half life of up to 240,000 years! It's foolish to use something so powerful and dangerous to make power, when we can use wind and solar power plants.
I you owned a business you would not want somebody telling you who to sell your product to. People just want food cheap. and want to pop out a few more kids. Aside from government handouts. Who cares how a farmer markets their product (corn). corn cant feed everyone anyway. People all over the world need to reevaluate their own situations.
this about it guys oil companies are rich and they can pay anyone to get what they want like lets say false knowledge of how ethanol is bad for the environment
The government makes roughly ten times more profit off of the sale of gasoline than the oil companies. Blaming companies like Chevron or Exxon Mobile for the price of gasoline today is a red herring, their profit margines are actually pretty thin.
How I wish ethanol were only a scam. Unless you live in corn country as I do, you probably feel delightfully green about ethanol. We have been outraged with reports of what has been happenening to the rain forrests of the world. What corporate farmers and politicians are doing to our land here is much the same. Our once beautiful landscape is today reduced to burning piles of timber, fencelines, and old farmhouses. It is remindful of the burning oil fields of Iraq after the 1stIraqi war.
What the Heck was that! LOL. so you are saying that we should continue paying farmers not to grow corn with Federal subsidies, because the price of corn went up so high?... Huh? and did you also say that there are subsidies needed for ethanol? Hmm... maybe we should keep giving the oil industry billions with a (B) and not invest in our future. E85 is not a new fuel,the first car in America ran on ethanol. 1908 Model T Ford. Google it. E85 flex fuel kits work, click my user name and subscribe.
We know it works, but what is the advantage? Ethanol pollutes just as much CO2, if not more than oil due to increased deforestation. Nobody died of starvation when we turned oil into gas.
Food prices have increased 87% in the past three years. The third world is struggling to keep up, the World Food Bank is in a state of emergency and food riots have broken out in at least a dozen countries since January.
Ethanol is the worst idea since Mao's great leap forward.
Socilists will once again have blood on their hands because of this. Governments shouldn't meddle so much in the economy...how many times do we have to learn this lesson?
Even Time magazine, a controlled corporate media company, admitted in their latest issue that biofuels are terrible environmentally as large areas of tropical forest are being cut down for biofuels, and food prices are soaring as we use food for fuel.
Studies made by FOX.
gcmatador 3 months ago
Ethanol is a huge scam!!!!
MrCes1966 4 months ago
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and you're saying oil isnt a sustainable fuel? its a limited resource it will end someday. then what happens when all the oil is gone? we are left with ethanol.
kelseyfitz1750 4 months ago
and you're saying oil isnt a sustainable fuel? its a limited resource it will end someday. then what happens when all the oil is gone? we are left with ethanol.
kelseyfitz1750 4 months ago
Agriculture, with gigantic monocultures is the problem. This is the reason for the moving around of crops over long distances. The diameter of the life circles are of a totally insane architecture and based on pumping up more mineral oil. Life's architecture is based on small circles though. And we should go back there. Smaller circles, circles that exclude the stupid idea of waste will take away the need for this vast quantities of fuels. So a clean solution.
TerrierBram 5 months ago
Ethanol, is a mistake. Ethanol subsidies need to be switched to Butanol immediately. Google: Butanol.
StinkFingerr 7 months ago
If gasoline is such a great product why is it being forced on the American people? I will gladly pay more for ethanol if I have to. Its made here. I support americans not towelheads that kill our children. E30 gets BETTER MPG than unleaded. All I can say to you ethanol detractors is one of you suckers is born everyday. Keep buying from the terrorists you unAmerican fags
monsterrain1000 7 months ago
I wonder why Fox news are the only opponents of Ethanol..... Maybe because they're in bed with the Koch brothers!!
bertdiaz35 8 months ago
Let me explain it like I do to little kiddies. Farmer grows corn, farmer sells corn to ethanol plant, ethanol plant takes starch out of corn to make product. What is left is a concentrated grain called distiller's grain with 3 times the protein and many times the fiber as regular corn. This is sold back to the farmer cheaply and helps prevent acidosis. We are not "burning our corn fields".
cchanderson 9 months ago
This guy doesn't know shit. He's from the oil companies here to try and screw over ever method of transportation that won't earn him a fuck load of cash. AND IT ISN'T BEING "FORCED" ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT WOULD BE OIL.
MusicTewns 9 months ago
Facts, where are the facts???? Yes the corn isn't a great source, but grow up ethanol IS the answer, try sugar beets, or waste. The fact that we can MAKE it from almost anything that is fermentable is awesome. I can make it at home for little, if i can why can't big business? Cause big business is paying for junk like this to discourage people from DOING. just like th tobacco companies saying cigarettes don't cause cancer. It is called SPIN!
MrGordonSean 9 months ago
The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
this guy dont know what hes talking lol
yanikivanov 10 months ago
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E-10 soll in Deutschland einen Anteil von 90%, dazu sind rund 3 Mill. t Ethanol erforderlich, dazu werden ca. 10 Mill. t Getreide benötigt .Das sind ca. 25% der Getreideernte , also 2 Mill. ha Ackerfläche (16% Ackerfläche).
Auf 2 Mill. Hektar bieten Nahrungsmittel für ca. 10 Mill Menschen!
Die weltweiten Getreidevorräte nehmen ab, in vielen Ländern herrscht Hunger (z.B. Ägypten). Mit E-10 werden die Probleme verschärft!
w w w. extremnews. com/nachrichten/natur-und-umwelt/b36c135e30aad53
harrymde 10 months ago
Fox news owned partially by oil sheiks thinks ethanol is bad, wonder why.
mskz06 11 months ago
@mskz06 It takes over a gallon of gas to make a gallon of ethanol. ethanol can't travel in pipelines, it has to be driven by gas guzzling trucks. The sheiks still make their money. Open your eyes.
woodjj 11 months ago 3
No it doesn't. The Pimentel study was the only one that said there was a negative energy balance out of about 7 studies, although it was cited by the media more often. Distillation process usually involves NG not oil products in US. Its not perfect but better than the status quo.
mskz06 11 months ago
Ethanol tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
"As one of the largest blenders and marketers of biofuels in the nation, we blended over 1 billion gallons of ethanol with gasoline in 2008 alone," BP boasts on its website. According to the Energy Information Association, BP is the fourth largest ethanol blender in the country.
EWG notes that in 2008 the VEETC was worth 51 cents per gallon, which means BP would have brought in $510 million.
mikehanoo33 11 months ago
Plus, virtually no impoverished nation will accept our corn, even when it is offered as charity, due to its being genetically modified and therefore unfit for human consumption.
Also, fermenting the corn to alcohol results in more meat than if you fed the corn directly to the cattle. We can actually increase the meat supply by first processing corn into alcohol, which only takes 28% of the starch, leaving all the protein and fat, creating a higher-quality animal feed than the original corn.
mikehanoo33 11 months ago
a 19 Billion dollar vote buying scam !
coldfusion1111 11 months ago
Corn is for eating and drinking. Water powered cars are here. Fuck ethanol. I need corn for my taco, and soda.
ExacavatoroftheWest 11 months ago
Never use the stuff........out here in the country I still can get regular unleaded with out corn!
AL Gore is a joke.
MrTwinsrule 1 year ago
January 19, 2010 2:28 PM PST
Brazil opens world's first ethanol-fired power plant
by Reuters
Brazil on Tuesday opened the world's first ethanol-fueled power plant in an effort by the South American biofuels giant to increase the global use of ethanol and boost its clean power generation.
State-run oil giant Petrobras and General Electric, which helped design the plant, are betting that increased use of ethanol generation by green-conscious countries will boost demand for the product.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
ethanol is water based . i made some in my back yard to run my 4 stroke 4 wheeler . and the only way i could get it to not fill my fueltank with settled water was to keep it mixed with a evap carberator . so now i control the air on a clear glass jar vaper carb . and it will also rust out your exaust so get stainless.
theonethatgoofs 1 year ago
Why isn't force because oil giant would go out of business.How much did they pay you to give that statement?
TripleX2go 1 year ago
Hemp would take to much money away from the Illuminati scum and put it in the hands of the American Farmers !!!!
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
complain about cost and they still ban industrial hemp.
vendictiveabortion 1 year ago 4
But it gets worse: among the major beneficiaries of our country's corn-loving ways is BP. The oil giant stands to gain $600 million through ethanol tax breaks this year alone.
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Ethanol producers are welfare cases.
Vunhopper 1 year ago
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The real truth about ethanol and food vs. fuel can be found in The Auto Channel videos and website. Sorry, Hollis' position is wrong. He's not part of the "agriculture family" he's part of the "oil family."
TheAutoChannel 1 year ago
Here in Brazil, ethanol is cheaper than gasoline.
daltonagre 1 year ago
@daltonagre THAT"S BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDY
Vunhopper 1 year ago
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Free energy labeled 'economic terrorism' - The widespread adoption of these new, non-polluting energy and propulsion systems will effectively replace the use of oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, impacting 4.5 trillion dollars a year in world economic activity, replace the current? geo-political order with one based on decentralized abundance. (Examiner; March 21, 2009)
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Myth #1: It Takes More Energy to Produce Ethanol than You Get from It!
Most ethanol research over the past 25 years has been on the topic of energy returned on energy invested (EROEI). Public discussion has been dominated by the American Petroleum Institute’s aggressive distribution of the work of Cornell professor David Pimentel and his numerous, deeply flawed studies. Pimentel stands virtually alone in portraying alcohol as having a negative EROEI—
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 I don't know about Pimentel, but I do know that oil, unlike corn, does not have to be "planted", nor does it require a growing season; it only needs "harvesting" - if the government would just knock off the CO2/global warming nonsense and allow drilling.
4TIMESAYEAR 1 year ago
@4TIMESAYEAR Well here's a little headline for you Einstein , OIL IS TOXIC , its killing the planet , the air , the water and the soil , and all life that tries to occupy these things , do you understand that ? If not get off the internet and stop posting because your to stupid to have a rational debate with !!!!
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 Oil is killing the planet? Where do you think all the fertilizers and pesticides they put on corn come from?
4TIMESAYEAR 1 year ago
@4TIMESAYEAR > Only on the non organic stuff , but yeah petroleum companies have got there evil mits on everything .
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 One thing the BP oil spill revealed: there are organisms that eat the stuff. Oil is definitely NOT killing the planet:)
4TIMESAYEAR 1 year ago
@4TIMESAYEAR > Yeah thats why the exxon valdez spill is still being cleaned up and the oil companies still refuse to pay any claims , and we have toxic oil spills and pools all over this planet watch the documentary CRUDE then get back to me !
mikehanoo33 1 year ago 4
@mikehanoo33 Uh-huh - and there are always those out to use any disaster to make a bundle.
Oil naturally percolates up from the ocean bottom and nature takes care of it. See "Environment Natural Oil 'Spills': Surprising Amount Seeps into the SeaBy LiveScience Staff posted: 20 May 2009 10:04 am ET"
4TIMESAYEAR 1 year ago
@4TIMESAYEAR > Its funny that it only seeps where we have dug deep into the ground for it , like off the coast of Santa Barbara , hmm , just a coincidence one of the worst oil spills happened there during the early 70's . Save your oil company propaganda for those unable to discern the truth from lies !!!
mikehanoo33 1 year ago 5
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@mikehanoo33 "it only seeps where we have dug deep into the ground for it "
Hardly. (Would you like to explain the La Brea Tar Pits?)
4TIMESAYEAR 1 year ago
"These massive handouts flow to oil companies like BP and only cement our dependence on environmentally damaging sources of energy ... the other issue here, with BP, is that Congress has created this $5 billion-a-year energy program and taxpayers have little idea who's getting the money."
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
"As one of the largest blenders and marketers of biofuels in the nation, we blended over 1 billion gallons of ethanol with gasoline in 2008 alone," According to the EIA , BP is the fourth largest ethanol blender in the country.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Ethanol is a shitty fuel, it takes forever to grow, won't get as good MPG and it take a ton to produce 85 gallons from corn(which is higher then sugercane i must say). but it can and does work. Now i'm all for the other alternatvies but lets not poo poo on ethanol cause it is a sorce of energy
kenfla2 1 year ago
@kenfla2 The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 Your counting the steel for the tractors??So what, that accounts for 1 cent over the useful life of the tractor, if that?
The average cost of an ethanol plant if 1 dollar per gallon produced. And that is everything from field to barrel, wages and all. Now that don't sound to bad to me.
Now we can have a pissing match all day long but it will get us nowhere. Ethanol works even if it is a bad energy source. Let hope the other alteritve will come through so we wont need ethanol.
kenfla2 1 year ago
@kenfla2 In fact, it’s oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. That’s just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it (from the Persian Gulf, a distance of 11,000 miles in tanker travel).
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 Its also a fact that its getting way expensive and one day will run out. Not to mention there is a slick out in the gulf right now. Now, do we wait till the last drop of oil is pump out of the ground or do we start working on the sources that is already proven to work.
kenfla2 1 year ago
@kenfla2 Did you read my post ? I don't know what you are talking about , I support bio fuels , I don't like big oil companies or using toxic dirty oil , please be more observant in the future or don't post !
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 What? Maybe you need to go back over your post. To me it reads like your against Ethanol or biofuels in general. If not, then be more CLEAR about it. Remeber, this is youtube.
And what the hell do you mean by "oil that has a negative EROEI"? What does EROEI mean anyway?
kenfla2 1 year ago
@kenfla2 >Sorry to throw all of these things around with these long initials , I can see how it would be confusing ,In physics, energy economics and ecological energetics, EROEI (energy returned on energy invested) its basically what you put into the thing to get a gallon of fuel , and the oil companies have been using flawed old data , or they just make stuff up , the oil companies are EVIL and they need to be brought to justice and shut down , as they destroy are planet , enough is enough !
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
He didnt say one reason on how it is bad.
neilb96 1 year ago
You want to no why Ethanol is being (forced on you)? Why don't you study peak oil for a year and ask the same stupid question. and another thing Ethanol is cleaner people would not burn it inside for cooking if it wasn't, Why don't you think about what you are saying before make your self look like an idiot.
switchgrassfuel 1 year ago
idiot.
switchgrassfuel 1 year ago
Oh- brother! This is a blowhard. He states that ethanol is being forced and the real story is that dirty bi-product from oil is waist product that the oil companies have put on the world and they could not even sell dirty oil crap if the American people where not forced to buy it in the first place.
From one of the last real people! R. young
youngsinfo 1 year ago
This is fox news right? It stated that ethanol is a lot more dirty than regular fuel but it didn't mention how or why.
StoneBoneAndFire 2 years ago
because it takes 130 gallons of fossil fuel to produce 100 gallons of ethanol. It is a huge scam. Look it up. It takes more energy to produce one gallon of ethanol than the ethanol actualy has in it!
halohadel 1 year ago
U can grow sugarcane in Florida,Lousiana,Alabama,all Central America,Haiti,Hawaii and all you need is rain water, that's it basically. Also u get up to 7 times the amount of ethanol opposed to corn's ethanol. Must be Texaco,Citgo,Chevron and Exxon paying the lobbbyist in Washington... Look at Brazil with sugarcane, My grandfather 1973 vw runs on 50/50 gas and ethanol wit it's original engine. Thank you...
pontepreta1965 2 years ago
4 generations! that is a massive amount. My cars on lpg.
bullant2 2 years ago
Just one tank of ethanol uses enough corn or wheat to feed a hungry person for a year. They made you feel like you are doing a good thing putting it in your cars.
bullant2 2 years ago
Why are w still using corn to make ethanol?! Don't they realize we can make ethanol out f thers things?!
IndyFan53 2 years ago
@bullant2 The US has enough cornmeal stockpiled to feed the entire country for 4 generations. If it isnt being pumped into your cars for profit you can be sure it isnt going to hungry kids in Africa. Ethanol sucks but you arent taking away from anyone.
FreeStyleLyfe 2 years ago
I have built 12 Ethanol plants and I work for the Largest green builder and we have built 90% of the plants out there. I can assure you I have never worked for a more honest company and a family owned company at that, that has cared more for the workers and american people than these.
AFewGoodPuppets 2 years ago
if ethanol is so dirty how is it that cooking stoves can run on ethanol in the house, and i would like you to name one farmer that doesn't like having another place that he can sell his corn. personally it makes Standford university look a bunch of idiots.
switchgrassfuel 2 years ago
Just wait for second generation ethanol which is made from waste and residues, and is more efficient. Should arrive later this year.
razorgarf 2 years ago 13
@razorgarf The most exhaustive study on ethanols EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
If it's so profitable then why does it need tax payer dallors?
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 A better question is why does oil still get tax payers dollars? Oil companies have plenty of cash already, move the susidies to clean and sustainable alternatives.
(remove the empty space before the dot)
reuters. com/article/idUSTRE6103RM20100201
cleantech. com/news/node/554
razorgarf 1 year ago
It's not the role of government to take money from one group to give it to an other just because it thinks it knows better.
What the point the country gona go bankruped any year now.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 Myth #5: Big Corporations Get All Those Ethanol Subsidies, and Taxpayers Get Nothing in Return!
Between 1968 and 2000, oil companies received subsidies of $149.6 billion, compared to ethanol’s paltry $116.6 million. The subsidies alcohol did receive have worked extremely well in bringing maturity to the industry.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
It is unconstitutional, and it's bad for the economy.
The main reason that were in a recession, is do to with governments Malinvestment.
simontimon2 1 year ago 2
@simontimon2 I believe its quite constitutional to grow crops on your land and do what you please with them , many things are grown on land that are not for food , flowers , hemp , cannabis, poppies , trees , ect . Growing corn or sugar cane for fuel would help the local economies and spread the wealth that is now centralized with a few very rich families in this world , millions of new jobs could be created locally .
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
It is unconstitutional, and it's bad for the economy.
Because it needs subsidies from government.
Most of the money goes to large corporate farm.
Your only making the rich richer and the poor poorer.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 >Between 1968 and 2000, oil companies received subsidies of $149.6 billion, compared to ethanol’s paltry $116.6 million. The subsidies alcohol did receive have worked extremely well in bringing maturity to the industry. Farmer-owned cooperatives now produce the majority of alcohol fuel in the U.S. Farmer-owners pay themselves premium prices for their corn and then pay themselves a dividend on the alcohol profit.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Oil's get's big subsidies, not ethanol. Wrong by 54 times!
US General Accounting Office report showed that ethanol had received $11.6 billion in tax incentives since 1968, while the oil industry had received over $150 billion in tax benefit over the same period.
Probably true. But the oil industry produced 1068 times more energy so the subsidy rate per unit energy was 54 times higher for ethanol. That's like ethanol gets 54¢ and oil gets 1¢.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 The New York Times investigated the oil industry’s subsidies and reported Sunday that they totaled $4 billion annually, adding that “an examination of the tax code indicates that oil production is among the most heavily subsidized businesses, with tax breaks available at virtually every stage of the exploration and extraction process.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@simontimon2 Wrong - the plants that produce ethanol also get subsidies (ever hear of Archer Daniels Midland?), as do the farmers.
4TIMESAYEAR 1 year ago
@4TIMESAYEAR >> They do get some , but most of the subsidies are going to the oil companies , I just showed you proof , can you not read ? I get tired of debating with oil company sell outs that think its ok to destroy the planet so they can have a lot of money and material things , are you aware of this thing called the GULF SPILL ! If that does'ent bother you then you have no right to be here !!!!!! Check out "Who killed the electric car" and "FUEL" then get back to me .
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 I'm not an "oil company sell out". News for you: I'm against all subsidies.
4TIMESAYEAR 1 year ago
@4TIMESAYEAR > And maybe it would help the bio fuel industry in America to get rid of the subsidies , they did it in Brazil some years ago , and at first it was very hard on the industry , but the farmers fought back with the scientists and others , now they have the highest percentage of bio fuel cars running out of all the big countries , over 85% of there cars run on bio fuel , we could even buy some of there extra fuel if bush hadn't put a 50 cent per gallon tariff on it .
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
That's not true Corn ethanol subsidies totaled $7.0 billion in 2006
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2
Ethanol Subsidies: Good for BP
— By Kate Sheppard
| Wed Jul. 7, 2010 7:54 AM PDT
Josh reported yesterday on the National Corn Growers Association's attempt to put a farmer-friendly spin on the Gulf disaster by promoting ethanol as an alternative. Among the major beneficiaries of our country's corn-loving ways is BP. The oil giant stands to gain $600 million through ethanol tax breaks this year alone.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
It takes more energy to make corn ethanol, then corn ethanol produces.
That is why ethanol will never work!
simontimon2 1 year ago
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@simontimon2 >The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
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Read David Blumes book, Alcohol Can Be A Gas.
This is just propaganda. Cargill ran the price of corn up in the commodity markets. Ethanol is not being forced on anyone. This is all crap!
magprob 3 years ago
As I understand David Blumes's view, he proposes local production of biofuel from a variety of sources (not just corn).
The local micro-production would eliminate the inefficiency of transporting Ethanol, from Iowa and as he says, you can make aclohol fuel from much more than just corn.
He also advocates getting your car coverted to run both alcohol and gasoline thus eliminating the inefficiency and other problems of running alcohol/ethanol in an eningine made for gas.
nedworked 3 years ago 2
Did you know you can run more than 10% ethanol in your vehicle now without a conversion kit. I run 20-30% in my truck and there is no loss of fuel efficiency.
germandeerslayer 2 years ago
Bull shit i called GM and they told me no more thin 10% and that is pushing it and i have 2006 truck!
killergames187 2 years ago
I think GM is full of shit,because they want to sell flex fuel vehicles. I have a 2006 kia spectra that I run 50 percent blend of ethanol full time. I have been doing that for 50.000 miles with no problems at all. I don't have a problem with the GM car company but my family worked in the car busyness for many years, no car dealer is going to advise you to do anything that will void warranty they don't want to get blamed for any thing that goes wrong. Hoses in newer cars are ethanol tolerant.
switchgrassfuel 2 years ago
Sure ethanol is being forced on us---via the Congressional mandates passed in order to pander to the Midwest.
blur880 3 years ago 2
What do you mean the pollution on the production end is mammoth. Farmers farm. They plant corn, soybeans, wheat whatever. Then they harvest it and sell it. That is how they make their living. Would you expect them to not use machinery? Ridiculous! I would agree the farm lobby is powerful, for good reason. But the oil lobby is probably the strongest loobby out there. For every report funded by RFA or ACE there is a report funed by OIL.
brianninneman 3 years ago 12
Dude, you are not understanding what I wrote. Corn prices are LOW but food prices remain HIGH. Did the rise in food prices come from ethanol? No. Corn is a dirty fuel? I have read many reports on ethanol. The report most skeptics refer to uses ethanol technology from the 70's and 80's. I agree there are better ways to produce ethanol but they are not economically viable.
brianninneman 3 years ago
I have actually used higher blends of ethanol and depending on the vehicle the fuel milage increased or did not change. The best part of it, I paid less than you did. So it does not matter who supported the studies the studies are acurate.
brianninneman 3 years ago
Ignorance comes from Harvard too. Corn ethanol is stupid, but your calculations are preposterous. My neighbor has a Saab that gets identical mpg on e85, so don't believe the McBush propaganda. Ethanol has a higher octane rating which can be utilized for more power from the same displacement. That means that an identical powerplant makes more horsepower at identical rpm ranges. Butanol has the potential to replace both oil and ethanol.
dayglowgreendoor 3 years ago
Well, you can belittle my knowledge without knowing anything about me. And you can belittle everyone else.
Why do you keep talking about McBush. I hate McBush. You are the one that supports McBush's ethanol plan, not me. Get your facts straight.
Please, show me a modern report that supports your figures that isn't funded or conducted by the Big Ethanol industry.
Even if we assumed your data, ethanol is still a horrible idea because of the massive pollution during production!
blur880 3 years ago
Stop being blinded by the fact that this is a Fox News video. All the liberal entities are speaking out against ethanol. The people who support ethanol include farmers, lobbyists and pandering politicians that need Midwest votes like Obama. If Obama wasn't so good on ANWR and other environmental issues, I wouldn't vote for him. I'm a tree-hugging liberal with a great education, yet you assume, for some extremely odd reason, that I'm an uneducated redneck. You make no sense.
blur880 3 years ago
Really?....Really?....lets get our information from fox news...really?
AKO89 3 years ago
Stop eating animals and use the land for crops instead - same argument.
tjamassey 3 years ago
ethanol is a big scam because food pices are going up because of it and you guys blam it on Gorge Bush because global warming and all of that crap is not Gorge Bush fault because he didnt do anything to cause that to happen
ChrisBennett18 3 years ago
30% ethanol + 70% gasoline produces more mpg and few pollutants of all kinds in many vehicles. Don't believe anything from Fox News, Prince Georgie or the Big Oil who pays them all to fuck us over.
dayglowgreendoor 3 years ago
30% ethanol will NOT under ANY circumstances come even close to straight gas in milage. Do some simple research regarding BTU's and you'll have your answer. E-10 caused an 18% reduction in milage in my JEEP, and older cars see an even LARGER reduction in milage. On a cross country trip I took in a model T we got 26-28 MPG on gas, yet 18 was the best we could get from E-10. One guy got E-85 at one stop and 10 MPG was what he got, and had no power.
THEFERMANATOR 3 years ago
I hate to go all scientific on you, but do a google search for "optimal ethanol blend-level". The "power" comes from two factors BTU's and octane. Of course, not all fuel-vehicles are programmed to take advantage of the higher octane present in ethanol fuels. It's a simple matter of managing ignition timing versus the knock sensor already present in the engine. Very simple stuff that can easily be manipulated. A turbo or supercharger makes it even more efficient.
dayglowgreendoor 3 years ago
If it is so simple why are you completely wrong, dayglowgreendoor? I don't know anyone with a PhD that agrees with you.
blur880 3 years ago
I made a professor almost cry once. Being wrong can be so truthy.
dayglowgreendoor 3 years ago
Well, that is meaningless without context and probably meaningless with context. Regardless, the vast majority of science says ethanol is a horrible idea. Just lobbyists and farmers want it.
"Optimal ethanol blend-level" has little relevance because optimal refers to the blending of ethanol and gas. 100% gasoline will always get better mpg than any blend of gas and ethanol. Plus, ethanol production pollutes horribly and is a wasteful, inefficient process.
blur880 3 years ago
Just ignore science and the chemistry of ethanol and gasoline. Try not to drink the McBush oil Kook-aid. Do a google search for "optimal ethanol blend-level". Most flex-fuel vehicles get BETTER mpg with a blend of 20% to 30% ethanol. Hopefully you're not just stupid and ignorant, but instead are receiving a McBush Kook-aid paycheck from the oil companies.
dayglowgreendoor 3 years ago
McBush Kook-aid??? That just shows your ignorance on the issue. Bush and McCain are completely at odds when it comes to ethanol. Bush ran on an ethanol ticket. He is the one that spurred the current ethanol "boom." McCain on the other hand wants to eliminate Bush's ethanol subsidies. Obama wants to keep them.
Why would I be a McBush man? I hate Bushs ethanol policies. I hate republican farm policies. I voted for Obama yesterday, but I still hate Obamas support for ethanol. Read.
blur880 3 years ago
Go chant racist crap at a Sarah Qualin rally. Ignorant white trash.
dayglowgreendoor 3 years ago
Stop ignoring the science. You're drinking the Big Ethanol kool-aid my friend.
Also, many oil companies advocate for ethanol, so you are wrong with that insult, too.
You might want to actually pay attention to politics and learn who supports what before you start yapping at others. As they stand, your insults make no sense.
blur880 3 years ago
McBush/Qualin....you're just a stupid redneck. Drill, baby, drill....what a bunch of stupid, uneducated, unethical, ignorant rednecks.
dayglowgreendoor 3 years ago
I moron, I'm a Obama supporting, Toyota driving, SUV hating, ANWR loving, Treehugger. I hate ethanol because no intelligent economist or environmentalist supports it. My hippie, Harvard educated biology professor preached against ethanol back in 2000.
You have your assumptions wrong. It is redneck and rural folk who want ethanol. The only people that still support ethanol live in the Midwest.
I hate oil, but corn ethanol is worse.
blur880 3 years ago
You tree huggers have no f***ing clue. You just sit with your heads up your asses. You think just because you are so called GREEN people that your shit don't stink. Well here is a thought for you. Sell all your belongings and go live in the F***ing woods and see how well you do. Probably only last a week at best.
pjturchen 3 years ago
Well, wouldn't people that selfishly and naively support ethanol be the ones that don't have a clue?? You couldn't be more wrong about meand everything. First, I hate the term "green." Second, being an environmentalist is all about thinking that your "shit" does stink; and, it is about working to be better (i.e. stink less). It is the opposite of being selfish and self-centered.
Actually, I do wonderfully in the woods. I hike, climb, and igloo at 13,000 feet.
Ethanol is just wrong.
blur880 3 years ago 2
Why is ethanol wrong? Corn prices are low but yet food prices remain high. Less BTU's are required to deliver ethanol to the pump than gasoline.
brianninneman 3 years ago
Food prices are high for many reasons, one of those reasons is ethanol. But, really, that is small potatoes. Corn is a dirty fuel and it is a horribly inefficient way to produce mobile power. It might burn cleaner, but the pollution on the production end is mammoth. It creates great amounts of air, water, and soil pollutions. The farm industry is one of the dirtiest industries in the country. We don't need to make it dirtier. And, if we use ehtanol, it shouldn't come from corn.
blur880 3 years ago 2
Sorry ethanol did not drive up food prices. where do think the corn goes when it has fermented. it goes to feed live stock, as most corn goes. what drove up food prices is big oil manipulating future prices and transportation. I agree corn is not the best feed stock. we could be using a feed stock that needs to be planted once and harvested year after year.
61hounddog 2 years ago 2
Go out and read the ethanol science. Read the science from people who aren't part of the farming lobby. No one really supports ethanol anymore. The Midwest (of which I'm from) is just holding onto the pipe dream. The farm lobby is powerful and controls policy like the oil lobby. However, go read the articles by the science professors or by the economists. I've been following it for years. I was told it was a horrible idea back in college in 2001, but politics...
blur880 3 years ago
I googled "optimal ethanol blend-level" and read your study. It was conducted by the COALITION FOR ETHANOL!! Please. Plus, it is an older study, which is contrary to more recent studies by nonpartisan groups--or significantly less partisan groups than the COALITION FOR ETHANOL. Please...
blur880 3 years ago
Ethanol always produces fewer mpg.
Plus, it only produces less pollutants if you ignore the whole production side, which is horribly inefficient.
Two well accepted scientific studies this year indicate that ethanol will double greenhouse gas in 30 years. This is nothing new. My biology professor said corn ethanol is a horrible idea 9 years ago. Hell, my sister was an ag business major and she knows corn ethanol is a horrible idea.
blur880 3 years ago
makes gas mileage worse so fuel burns faster
jayguy173 3 years ago
Big Oil is just bad news for America.
marksky57 3 years ago
Sure. I was hoping for at least one reason but he only danced around the issue. That's because there isn't. By the way why are they using corn? Use sugar cane, beets, etc. Ethanol makes air dirtier? Prove it.
compgrad1 3 years ago
Figures Faux News would be hosting this crook who obviously is being paid by Big Oil. Ethenol Vs. Big Oil. The little guy vs. the Big Corporations. Another David and Goliath Story. We'll win.
marksky57 3 years ago
soon we all be able to get ethanol and then big oil will have a competitor oil has never had to compete competition will drop those high gas prices like a box of hot rocks
lets face it america hates the oil companies
Hellaciousoutlaw 3 years ago
he's being paid off by the gas companys to say this
xXAidenxGoesxrawRxX 3 years ago
"he's being paid off by the gas companys to say this"
Proof? Links to back up your claims? Thanks.
framecut 3 years ago
american sourced oil would cost us less than ethanol AND foreign oil for a host of reasons, the money stays in the USA therefore the economy would flourish , the oil infrastructure is already here, reducing costs, it would allow more SMALL oil companies to form and compete; competition is good for any market, it lowers prices (BASIC ECONOMICS!!!), no need to make food into fuel, the food prices would drop (also, lower oil prices = lower food prices). WE CAN DO IT, JUST LIFT THE DRILLING BAN!!!!
KougsMotors454 3 years ago
STOP THE ETHANOL SCAM!! the true solution to foreign oil is to drill here in our own huge petroleum reserves, there are an estimated 86 billion barrels of oil in untapped offshore deposits, ALSO the USA has huge deposits of oil shale which has over 1.8 TRILLION barrels of extractable oil , over 5X the saudi oil deposits , MORE THAN MOTOR FUEL COMES FROM OIL , EVERY SINGLE INFRASTRUCTURE USES OIL!!!, CO2 IS NOT THE DANGEROUS GAS THAT THE GREENIES TELL YOU, ITS PLANT FOOD!! GLOBAL WARMING IS FAKE
KougsMotors454 3 years ago
Ethanol and biodiesel are first generation fuels with significant problems, even acknowledged by some of its makers such as Amyris. However, according to research discussed at BIO 2008 new algal fuels can produce fuels identical to gasoline, with lower production costs than ethanol. Some other research uses natural gas to boost fuels into new hydrocarbons that burn cleaner and with more power.
2007realitycheck 3 years ago
==according to research discussed at BIO 2008 new algal fuels can produce fuels identical to gasoline, with lower production costs than ethanol==
Now that'd be something to see.
But I'd bet it's just hype when it comes to the economics.
greyfalcon. net/ algae4
greyfalcon. net/ sugarsolar
greyflcn 3 years ago
Not hype. Look up a company called sapphyre energy.
kpasa01 3 years ago
==Not hype. Look up a company called sapphyre energy.==
As I said,
I don't doubt thats it's "possible".
What I highly doubt is that it's economically feasible.
$1200 a barrel isn't economically feasible.
greyflcn 3 years ago
Where did you get $1200 a barrel from? Petro may soon be up to that some day, but did you even look to see how simple it is to make the fuel sapphyre energy is producing?
"Sapphire Energy has built a revolutionary platform that uses photosynthetic microorganisms to produce a renewable, high-value replacement for fossil fuel petroleum. This domestic crude oil requires only sunlight, CO2 and non-potable water -- and can be produced at massive scale on non-arable land."
kpasa01 3 years ago
This is bull**** Fox News is a joke.
WinkelHoof 3 years ago
Brazil has more then enough if we had to (which we don't have to) we could import it from Brazil. Beats the hell out of importing oil from the Middle East
assoonas1 3 years ago
Most people are slowly learning that diverting food crops to make biofuel for inefficient SUV's is a "Crime Against HHumanity", but few people seem to understand the well-documented science of the deadly cancer-causing atmospheric "aldehydes" that are produced when ethanol from any source (food OR cellulosic) is burned in internal combustion engines. See YouTube video: "Burning Ethanol: DEADLY Aldehydes"
Biodiesel also produces these unhealthy aldehydes (like Formaldehyde and Acetaldehyde).
IQ174 3 years ago
And just think about all that good stuff coming out of your exhaust today....
Nitrogen Oxides, Carbon Monoxide, Sulphur Dioxide, and Ozone.
assoonas1 3 years ago
BRAZIL imports ZERO oil. They use sugarcane ethanol. 7 times better then corn
assoonas1 3 years ago
It's still being subsidized though, just not as much as in the past. Take away those subsidies and I don't think it would make it on the free market.
jackson32 3 years ago
i've been running on cornflakes for years.
xinkor 3 years ago
Ethanol simply means you pay twice. First you get slashed for subsidies, second, you get slashed at the pump. While I do agree that ethanol isn't workable, it is NOT causing food prices to rise. I just saw a video about this.
The price of oil and U.S gov monetary inflation is causing food prices to rise. It's so because of shipping and equipment fuel costs.
torres585 3 years ago
Ethanol will not replace oil completely but it will help diversify our fuel supply. Can you imagine going to the grocery store and only having one type of food to choose from? And the price of the food could be raised by a foreign cartel? Only when we have enough alternatives to create competition for oil as a fuel source will we be able to have lower prices, etc.
vmp777777 3 years ago
Corn ethanol takes more energy to produce than it makes, is terrible for the environment, and is causing food prices to rise, thereby hurting poor people more than anyone else. Case closed.
jackson32 3 years ago 3
Case closed? Maybe not. Check out the You Tube video -"Increase of ethanol production really raising price of food?" Also remember that what you are hearing here is from the "F word network" and we all know they have an agenda.
urparanoia 3 years ago
ha ha ha its funny cuz its fox news.... check out a company called "the alternative energy center" (AETE) they make whats called cellulosic biofuels. they make a variety of products from bio waste... AND THEIR STOCK IS INSANELY LOW DUE TO A SPAM INCIDENT!!! im in at .45 ha ha ha this company is cutting edge tech
BuyUSAsEthanolKilOil 3 years ago
they should make it illegal
Conservativesaregood 3 years ago
You know what would probably make good biofuels? Illegal drugs like liquidated cocaine, heroin, marijuana, etc. We could turn the largest illegal and renewable industry in the world into a savior for mankind and the environment! If the world governments could convince the drug lords in Afghanistan, Columbia, St. Vincent, etc. to sell all their drugs to biofuel companies instead of people, we could kill two or three birds with one stone! Although we'd need extra security at the pumps for addicts.
bjnboy 3 years ago
Corn ethanol is a scam not all ethanol.
Not many people seem to know how to make ethanol work and thats a shame.
If we let the corn growers take over bio-fuels to get subsidies we miss out on cheap fuel and the money they get.
sirhcskoorb 3 years ago
Exactly! Thats what happens when you put idiots in charge of things. They only show you the negative side of things. Corn does not produce enough sugars. Sugar beats and sugar cane, the two best things to use for ethanol production.
kpasa01 3 years ago
Thats right,suger cane is by far the best.
There are parts of Florida that have been strip mined where you could grow millions of acres of cane.
Nevermind Haiti,Mexico,PR,south America,ect,ect.
And you get a lot more from cane fuel than you put in to making it,unlike corn.
Just like when car makers changed and tuned their cars to run well on unleaded,low octane fuel they be running well on bio-fuel in no time.
sirhcskoorb 3 years ago
Unfortunately, ethanol is not low octane. The octane rating is about 104. So you need a bigger spark or higher compression to ignite it.
kpasa01 3 years ago
This whole fucking ethanol scam is EXACTLY what happens when everyone panders to the whiny environmentalists
greene825 3 years ago
Except that the "whiny environmentalists" are actually against ethanol. Ethanol is a scam perpetrated by those who make money off of the subsidies. REAL environmentalists consider it a huge waste of money--a scam that takes money away from real research into alternatives.
negativedialectic 3 years ago
Well if you're an environmentalist then explain to me why most environmentalists are against nuclear power, which produces no greenhouse gases?
greene825 3 years ago 2
Its called nuclear waste. Where is it stored? The uranium tubes are only good to use until half of their "life" has been used. Thats why they are still able to make nuclear bombs out of used uranium. By the way, America will never agree on anything until both sides come to a conclusion. The far right wing and far left wing idiots are the ones affecting this country the most. Lets start making both sides happy. The only way to do that is to stop bowing to Limbaugh and O'Reily and do whats right.
kpasa01 3 years ago
nuclear power plants are stupid, they should also be shut down, think of the danger from them! What if they go into nuclear meltdown? ..or get bombed? Nuclear plants threaten the lives of thousands, plus there's tens of thousands of tons of nuclear waste just stored in the Yucca Mountains because of it! Those tubes have a half life of up to 240,000 years! It's foolish to use something so powerful and dangerous to make power, when we can use wind and solar power plants.
Shane1163 3 years ago
I you owned a business you would not want somebody telling you who to sell your product to. People just want food cheap. and want to pop out a few more kids. Aside from government handouts. Who cares how a farmer markets their product (corn). corn cant feed everyone anyway. People all over the world need to reevaluate their own situations.
braneden 3 years ago
this about it guys oil companies are rich and they can pay anyone to get what they want like lets say false knowledge of how ethanol is bad for the environment
flipside408 3 years ago
The government makes roughly ten times more profit off of the sale of gasoline than the oil companies. Blaming companies like Chevron or Exxon Mobile for the price of gasoline today is a red herring, their profit margines are actually pretty thin.
Antiworld23 3 years ago
Since when is CO2 a pollutant?
Antiworld23 3 years ago
Since your mom.
urabigfatqueer 3 years ago
Read the Time Magazine article. Amazon deforestation rates have doubled because of Ethanol.
JMD0429 3 years ago
How I wish ethanol were only a scam. Unless you live in corn country as I do, you probably feel delightfully green about ethanol. We have been outraged with reports of what has been happenening to the rain forrests of the world. What corporate farmers and politicians are doing to our land here is much the same. Our once beautiful landscape is today reduced to burning piles of timber, fencelines, and old farmhouses. It is remindful of the burning oil fields of Iraq after the 1stIraqi war.
redbaron1943 3 years ago
What the Heck was that! LOL. so you are saying that we should continue paying farmers not to grow corn with Federal subsidies, because the price of corn went up so high?... Huh? and did you also say that there are subsidies needed for ethanol? Hmm... maybe we should keep giving the oil industry billions with a (B) and not invest in our future. E85 is not a new fuel,the first car in America ran on ethanol. 1908 Model T Ford. Google it. E85 flex fuel kits work, click my user name and subscribe.
xpertech333 3 years ago
We know it works, but what is the advantage? Ethanol pollutes just as much CO2, if not more than oil due to increased deforestation. Nobody died of starvation when we turned oil into gas.
Food prices have increased 87% in the past three years. The third world is struggling to keep up, the World Food Bank is in a state of emergency and food riots have broken out in at least a dozen countries since January.
Ethanol is the worst idea since Mao's great leap forward.
JMD0429 3 years ago
Socilists will once again have blood on their hands because of this. Governments shouldn't meddle so much in the economy...how many times do we have to learn this lesson?
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Mgirl11 3 years ago
Even Time magazine, a controlled corporate media company, admitted in their latest issue that biofuels are terrible environmentally as large areas of tropical forest are being cut down for biofuels, and food prices are soaring as we use food for fuel.
jackson32 3 years ago