WoW -- I don't think I ever realized before that the lower three 3rd class decks were already below-water before the first lifeboats were launched -- AND that the primary access passages were closed with locked-gates. Meaning it was White Star POLICY that condemned hundreds of steerage passengers to death by drowning with NO hope of chance to be saved, or even a chance to save themselves. They were murdered. Class War at its most blatant, barbaric & brutal. R.I.P. the English inqest was a FARCE.
@starmanskye Actually it wasn't White Star policy to deliberately prevent 3rd Class from reaching the Boat Deck, rather it was no policy at all. Some gates were locked; some weren't. Some crewmen helped 3rd class up to the boats, some held them back. Seaman Hart led several groups of steerage women to the boats. Some steerage men didn't even try to go up; they just stayed below waiting for the end; passenger John Lundahl was one of those.
@starmanskye Lundahl told a friend of his who survived: "I'm too tired to fight the North Atlantic" and sat down waiting for the end. International law required isolation of 3rd Class on all passenger ships, not just White Star's, to contain disease, lice, etc. So, yes, there was discrimination, but it was of a kind less indictable to White Star than to the whole of humanity in 1912. It is true that those people were looked down upon--3rd Class was basically neglected to death on Titanic.
There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System. Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the federal reserve plan. These three men were coaxed to board the floating palace. Not only did these three men oppose the Federal Reserve System, they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I. The owner of the Titanic: John Pierpont (JP) Morgan |
It's all supposition anyway. If so many died behind those gates, there'd be some evidence of their presence still there. While steerage (third class) passengers did have berths on the lower decks, it was possible to reach the stern and go up that way. The real issue in why it took so long to allow second and third class to reach the boat deck was the initial unwillingess on the part of first-class passengers to enter the boats.
@turricaned I thought the same, but that is assuming there would be something left. Back then clothing was still made with natural fibers. Any clothing and human remains would have been ingested by sea life, except treated-leather shoes, as shown by some of the images from the wreck. This also assumes that trapped passengers also stayed behind the gates until the end.
Besides, testimony from survivors ( except crew members) from all classes stated that 3rd class was held back.
@g1a1r1y3 I'm not saying they weren't held back at all, I'm saying that it wasn't necessarily the crew's doing. The fact is that the Boat Deck only had so much room on it. In an ideal world, the 1st and 2nd class women and children would have got into the boats in an orderly manner thus giving the crew time to get the third-class women and children up. But people didn't want to go, and the boat crews spent far longer than necessary persuading them to get in.
@turricaned It was not the only, but the main factor. Gracie and others from various parts of the ship stated that after the last boat left, throngs of people came up "from below", containing mostly men, but women and children too. Stewards testified that they escorted women and children through 2nd & 1st class spaces to the Boat deck. This was verified by 3rd class testimony who added that the men were held back. Read the inquiry transcripts & Lord's "The Night Lives On". It's all in there.
@g1a1r1y3 regards GATTI ,S of LONDON all Italian waiters employed by this company were held below in second class rooms until they drowned non survived. as to third class no passengers from 3rd class gave evidence non were asked to give evidence at usa or uk inquires,kind regards
@g1a1r1y3 regards first class children no lost 2 no lost third class 80percent titanic was a very class status ship if you were first class you got a lifeboat third class you got a grave
more british lies exposed, the iron gates still locked, instead of giving surviving relatives compensation, they lied and gave nothing but insults to the living. May they burn in hell
WoW -- I don't think I ever realized before that the lower three 3rd class decks were already below-water before the first lifeboats were launched -- AND that the primary access passages were closed with locked-gates. Meaning it was White Star POLICY that condemned hundreds of steerage passengers to death by drowning with NO hope of chance to be saved, or even a chance to save themselves. They were murdered. Class War at its most blatant, barbaric & brutal. R.I.P. the English inqest was a FARCE.
starmanskye 3 days ago
@starmanskye Actually it wasn't White Star policy to deliberately prevent 3rd Class from reaching the Boat Deck, rather it was no policy at all. Some gates were locked; some weren't. Some crewmen helped 3rd class up to the boats, some held them back. Seaman Hart led several groups of steerage women to the boats. Some steerage men didn't even try to go up; they just stayed below waiting for the end; passenger John Lundahl was one of those.
galoon 2 days ago
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galoon 2 days ago
@starmanskye Lundahl told a friend of his who survived: "I'm too tired to fight the North Atlantic" and sat down waiting for the end. International law required isolation of 3rd Class on all passenger ships, not just White Star's, to contain disease, lice, etc. So, yes, there was discrimination, but it was of a kind less indictable to White Star than to the whole of humanity in 1912. It is true that those people were looked down upon--3rd Class was basically neglected to death on Titanic.
galoon 2 days ago
grave robbing disgusts me
KoochyWoochy 3 weeks ago
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There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System. Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the federal reserve plan. These three men were coaxed to board the floating palace. Not only did these three men oppose the Federal Reserve System, they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I. The owner of the Titanic: John Pierpont (JP) Morgan |
Djecho1109 1 month ago
The Titanic wreck is a mass grave, it should be treated as such, not looted.
cityno9 5 months ago 12
actually they could have taken Titanic's propeller and put on Olympic to replace her damaged one
davinp 7 months ago
It's all supposition anyway. If so many died behind those gates, there'd be some evidence of their presence still there. While steerage (third class) passengers did have berths on the lower decks, it was possible to reach the stern and go up that way. The real issue in why it took so long to allow second and third class to reach the boat deck was the initial unwillingess on the part of first-class passengers to enter the boats.
turricaned 11 months ago
@turricaned I thought the same, but that is assuming there would be something left. Back then clothing was still made with natural fibers. Any clothing and human remains would have been ingested by sea life, except treated-leather shoes, as shown by some of the images from the wreck. This also assumes that trapped passengers also stayed behind the gates until the end.
Besides, testimony from survivors ( except crew members) from all classes stated that 3rd class was held back.
g1a1r1y3 8 months ago
@g1a1r1y3 I'm not saying they weren't held back at all, I'm saying that it wasn't necessarily the crew's doing. The fact is that the Boat Deck only had so much room on it. In an ideal world, the 1st and 2nd class women and children would have got into the boats in an orderly manner thus giving the crew time to get the third-class women and children up. But people didn't want to go, and the boat crews spent far longer than necessary persuading them to get in.
turricaned 8 months ago
@turricaned It was not the only, but the main factor. Gracie and others from various parts of the ship stated that after the last boat left, throngs of people came up "from below", containing mostly men, but women and children too. Stewards testified that they escorted women and children through 2nd & 1st class spaces to the Boat deck. This was verified by 3rd class testimony who added that the men were held back. Read the inquiry transcripts & Lord's "The Night Lives On". It's all in there.
g1a1r1y3 8 months ago
@g1a1r1y3 regards GATTI ,S of LONDON all Italian waiters employed by this company were held below in second class rooms until they drowned non survived. as to third class no passengers from 3rd class gave evidence non were asked to give evidence at usa or uk inquires,kind regards
motorguzzi100 6 days ago
@g1a1r1y3 regards first class children no lost 2 no lost third class 80percent titanic was a very class status ship if you were first class you got a lifeboat third class you got a grave
motorguzzi100 6 days ago
more british lies exposed, the iron gates still locked, instead of giving surviving relatives compensation, they lied and gave nothing but insults to the living. May they burn in hell
germaniajim 1 year ago
@germaniajim Ha Ha @ more british lies exposed, Looked at your site and your denying the bloody holocaust !
LambrettaGirlUK 1 year ago 2
The hole was well above the water line, so it could have played no part in the sinking.
Sammyy46 2 years ago
@Sammyy46
you sir are retarted
tickster72 5 months ago
@tickster72 Not the iceberg hole, the one that they found.
Sammyy46 5 months ago