This is going on my FaceBook right now! This was always my favorite explanation of Christmas proper! Good bless. If you dont believe in the Salvation of Jesus, DON'T celebrate Christmas! Or else you're a hypocrite and contradicting yourself.
God gives us the "choice" to believe in him here on earth. But we wil ALL believe one day! "EVERY knee shall bow and proclaim Christ is Lord". For some it will be too late, so whether you believe in Heaven or Hell or not, you will that day for sure. Maybe your life has been so awful because of your belief system. You weren't given a choice to be born, because we were all born for a reason. Merry CHRISTmas!
@AthosAmo: Well, the next time a bill passes in which is to muzzle any public display of Christianity, I hope that you are there to speech up for OUR free speech rights. :0)
And a bunch of morons try to make this a lecture on the myth of evolution.
Also Jesus was born in October. Christmas is just in December because that way the Christians could blend in with other festivals and avoid persecution.
@michiyoyoshiku Hi, born during a Special Sabbath? His death was near one, The Passover, but his passing? What is the source of that information? Thanks!
Yep satens poisen. Seen my dad drink himself to death and hated watching a loved one do that to himself. A person that over drinks isnt that bright right. You have your poisen and i'll stay with Jesus because he is the true reason for the Season.God gives us a chiose who to follow its either Saten or God.He wont twist anyones arm . I'll pray for you ok.
tomatodamashi, when you say you are an atheist that means you believe the existence of God can be disproven. So tell me what evidence do you have that disproves God's existence?
@1country203 That's not necessarily what atheist means, generally "atheist" means someone who doesn't believe in God, but you can lack belief without denying something. Furthermore, you can't prove that something doesn't exist, even if it most likely doesn't. You can, however, point out that, in the absence of evidence, there is no reason to conclude that something does exist.
@QuackenInsanity But there is more evidence for God than for anything else. Evidence is just stuff that is interpreted for or against an idea. All nature is evidence for God because it requires an ultimate explanation, which is the case because nature had a heat birth. The only alternative to the supernatural to explain this nature, is accidents, which are always seen to fail to create great order. Not one sandcastle has eroded into existence. So how could DNA have been originally an accident?
@AthosAmo By "accidents" I assume you mean that the universe is random... well, it is random. To start with, we're evolved creatures, that means that the living organisms on this planet were faced with random environments, weather, predators, mutations, etc, and only survived by adapting to their environment. That which couldn't survive was eradicated. The universe works in much the same way, what you describe as accidents are actually just billions of years worth of trial and error.
@QuackenInsanity The universe as we see it now behaves randomly, but that doesn't mean it got to host such great order merely randomly. You know no sandcastle ever can erode into existence. That would be accidents creating great order. So why think so of DNA, when it comes to its origin? Evolution is fact, but not macro-evolution. The "theory" of "evolution" isn't even a theory, because it is unfalsifiable. You can rearrange all connections between species, and still assume common descent.
@AthosAmo Wait, you're admitting that evolution is an example of the universe operating randomly? You do realize that DNA is evolved right? That the first form of life on this planet didn't have DNA? Also, I don't know what you mean by evolution being "unfalsifiable," it isn't. Evolution makes the claim that species as a whole will change based on the dominant genetic qualities of the members of that species, this is a claim that, if proven wrong, would falsify the theory of evolution.
@QuackenInsanity DNA evolves, of course, but the issue is of the origin of all DNA, which can't be accidents, just as not a single sandcastle can ever be formed accidentally. Both DNA and any sandcastle have such great order that mindless accidents are wholly inadequate to account for them; intelligence is needed. I said that the "theory" of "evolution" (i.e., common descent of species) is unfalsifiable. Evolution is fact, but not common descent, which is known as the "theory" of "evolution."
@AthosAmo No, that's not what I said. I said DNA is evolved. DNA itself is a product of evolution, at one point in the earths history you couldn't find DNA in the lifeforms on this planet, it's a mutation. Also, you're wrong, common descent isn't unfalsifiable. common descent is a theory that's supported by evidence and that's why it has scientific weight, something is only unfalsifiable if it's believed despite a lack of evidence, take down the evidence and you take down the theory.
@QuackenInsanity What isn't what you said? What are you referring to exactly? You beg the question that DNA is merely a mutation. "Also, you're wrong, common descent isn't unfalsifiable." Then falsify it with a single scenario. No atheist I've argued with has ever done that. I know none can. Evidence is just stuff that's interpreted for or against an idea. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has more evidence than macro-evolution.
@AthosAmo With evolution, you can observe the species on this planet, and if you find that none of them changed over successive generations, then evolution wouldn't be accepted. That's science, a lack of evidence would, for all intents and purposes, disprove something until evidence could be found. So I say the same of God, I assume that God is a false claim until proven otherwise. What you're doing is arguing from a lack of evidence, you're saying that we don't know so it must be God.
@QuackenInsanity "What you're doing is arguing from a lack of evidence, you're saying that we don't know so it must be God." No. I said: "All nature is evidence for God because it requires an ultimate explanation, which is the case because nature had a heat birth. The only alternative to the supernatural to explain this nature, is accidents, which are always seen to fail to create great order. Not one sandcastle has eroded into existence. So how could DNA have been originally an accident?"
@AthosAmo Just calling the alternative to God an "accident" doesn't explain anything about it. It's an unknown, 500 years ago no one would've conceived that our species exists the way it does today because of evolution, no one would've conceived that we share our earliest ancestors with every other species on the planet, we said "look at our complexity, we must be designed." But we're not, evolution shows that the complexity of our bodies is a product of random chance.
@Quacken Nope. The fact that the only alternative to intelligence ultimately behind nature is accidents means that you believe something more absurd than the notion that a single sandcastle can erode into existence. You can never provide a single example of such a thing, so for you to assert that no intelligence is needed to account for nature is just lying to yourself against empiricism -that being every experience with accidents which shows that they can't do great order from scratch.
@AthosAmo Do you get off on sandcastles or something, why do you use that example so much? Okay, what is a universe that lacks order? What does something like that look like? Is it just massive destruction and chaos? Yes? Well congratulations, you're looking at our universe. Perhaps from your viewpoint from this world where you live amongst a species that provides order for you is skewing your perception of our circumstances but let me try to explain it as best I can.
@AthosAmo We are the lone planet in this solar system that can sustain life as we know it, we are a tiny blue dot being hurled at about 67000 miles per hour around a tiny star in a quiet little corner of our galaxy. On this planet, more than 99% of all species who have ever existed here have died off.
@AthosAmo Earth's gone through about 4.5 billion years shit including, but not limited to, constant asterial bombardment, a handful of worldwide natural disasters, mass extinctions, plague, and the magnetic reversal of the poles. Remember, this is the good planet, this is the planet with order and stability. Listen, we're almost out of time, we've got less than 2 billion years left on our clock before the planet becomes too hot to contain water.
@QuackenInsanity You don't know the age of any fossil. You are using methods that work (carbon, for example), but when the establishment dates a fossil, it is assuming that what they date was never contaminated in millions of years. Since the geosphere is always changing, it is irrational to assume that the decay rate was steady. So your talk of 4.5 is a lie. You are deceived.
@AthosAmo And that's assuming we don't initiate heat death before that by eroding the ozone layer. In short, the universe isn't a fucking sandcastle with detailed windows and a fountain, it's a gang raped, schizophrenic, fucking mess of a universe if you try to look at if it was designed. Do me a favor, look up the wikipedia article on human vestigiality, how does that shit fit into our design, What do I have a useless coccyx for? I don't have a tail. I think your designer's flawed.
@QuackenInsanity My use of a sandcastle as an analogy is in terms of order. Yes, there is much chaos as well as order, but that is irrelevant to my argument. Any claim of something being vestigial is the fallacy called argument from ignorance. Not so long ago, yahoo gave me the news that a formerly-considered "vestigial" organ, actually has a purpose or two. A coccyx seems to be for muscles to attach to it.
@AthosAmo Seems to be? You look at a tailbone, something that, for other mammals, serves the primary function attaching their tails to the rest of their bodies and think what? That God just ran out of spare parts? What about wisdom teeth? They have absolutely no use at all, a lot of people have them removed because they're a dangerous part of our anatomy, do you not see that as vestigial?
@QuackenInsanity Argument from ignorance. Am I supposed to be omniscient? And it's funny you mention wisdom teeth, 'cause I got an appointment soon to take them out. haha. I read that our diets have to do with our jaw size, which determines wisdom tooth problems. Those with bigger jaws, such as Asians and Africans, tend to have far less cases of wisdom tooth problems, than Europeans.
@AthosAmo I get the feeling that humans could have a giant bloody hook sticking out of our asses and you'd say that there could be a reason for it. And I'm sure there could, humans are kind of ingenious like that, we make use of what we have, we adapt the environment to suit our needs, we survive all on our own on a lush planet that gives us everything we need and a pretty star that keeps us alive. I'm set, why do I need a God who can't even fit me with proper teeth design?
@QuackenInsanity Nice try, but no cigar, atheist. One thing is the end of our spinal column, which doesn't even protrude -and another thing would be a tail, which is what you wish we had, so you could say we are just another ape. Why couldn't God have created animals similar to us? You rule that out. Wait. You rule God out too, don't you? Nah. You just claim to consider him to seem open-minded, though you deny him when he is proven to you, as I have done. Him being the supernatural.
@QuackenInsanity "a lush planet that gives us everything we need and a pretty star that keeps us alive." And how did they come to be? Not by accidents, as all empirical experience proving accidents to be the mindless failures they are. But by God's will, and Word. Instead of saying that God gives you the good you got, you say that the means he uses are the ones to get the credit. You praise the piano, but not Beethoven, nor the piano's designers.
@QuackenInsanity "...evolution shows that the complexity of our bodies is a product of random chance." Evolution doesn't account for the first body. Evolution doesn't account for how the first DNA came to be. Evolution accounts only for why there are different races and breeds. You are going with the wishful thinking that because we have various breeds from the same type of being, that therefore, all such types came from the same original prototype. That's unfalsifiable. Ergo, not a theory.
If your science fiction were true, then a race would be a step towards a new species, so long as it could be isolated enough from other races so as to diverge. This means that if your unobservable, imaginary, unfalsifiable, unscientific, wishful thinking notion were true, that a neo-nazi group could become greater than Africans if they separate in a space colony, with enough time. Also, bestiality would be little different than interracial sex, since species would be like races.
@AthosAmo Um... what? I didn't say anything about human evolution, nazi's or inter-species erotica, aren't you just extrapolating all of that? And are you suggesting that we can't evolve? The diversity of races is variation which is a part of evolution... You wouldn't happen to be one of those "Hitler was an atheist inspired by Charles Darwin" nuts would you? Damn, I think I found myself on the wrong side of Youtube.
@QuackenInsanity I brought up those things to make the point that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is better than your racist, immorality-justifying mythology. I hate lies, but I don't hate you. I want you to reject bad stuff, to get the good stuff, both here and in the afterlife.
Hitler was a theist who was at some time a Roman Catholic, it seems. He just liked the fact that the strongest tend to survive.
You came here to bug others with what you think is the truth, and I just do that to you. lol
@QuackenInsanity Evolution is fact. I am not against evolution. Evolution is unfalsifiable because it is proven that beings change genetically over generations. What is unfalsifiable is common descent. That is the main idea of the so-called "theory" of "evolution." Since it is unfalsifiable, it isn't even a theory in science. It is equal to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, except that the FSM isn't racist, so the FSM is actually better than macro-evolution.
@AthosAmo You say "Evolution is a fact" as if you've actually sat down and studied it yourself, and perhaps you have, but you clearly haven't read fuck all about common descent. Why argue about this and assert a position if you've never read up on it? Look, I hate to have to keep referring you to wikipedia but that's the bare minimum of research you could do if you wanted to learn about common descent, there's a fucking mountain of evidence. Google that shit.
@QuackenInsanity You are assuming the worst of me, and focusing this argument on me, when the fact of the matter is you should be focusing on the fact of the matter at hand, which is that you have not got a single example of accidents creating order accidentally from scratch. Since you lack even one, empiricism is against your even entertaining that no intelligence is needed. Empiricism tells you accidents can't do it. DNA. And the universe's great order. The only alternative is intelligence.
@AthosAmo You said that common descent is "unfalsifiable," that it is "not even a theory in science." These are grossly ignorant statements and I'm not assuming anything about you when I say that. I am saying that anyone could go to wikipedia and find that common descent is supported by scientific evidence, but fair enough. I assumed that you haven't read about common descent because the alternative is that you have read them and that you're being willfully ignorant of what you read.
@QuackenInsanity The more you ad hominem, the more it is clear that you lack 1. even one example of accidents creating great order from scratch (meaning that atheism is irrational, and you can do nothing to prove otherwise), and 2. even one falsification scenario for A) the so-called "theory" of "evolution" (the main idea of which needs to be falsifiable, but alas ain't), and also for B) the big explosion notion (big bang nonsense). Will you keep committing fallacies to deny being wrong?
@AthosAmo Listen dude, order implies will, it implies intelligence, by expressing it you're begging the question. As I've said again and again, there is not order in this universe, there is nothing coherent about this world, it just exists. If a shit load of sand and water gets thrown into each other and it lands in a pile on the ground, most likely it's not gonna be a sand castle, but it's gonna be something. And that's all this is, one something amongst a billion other possibilities.
@QuackenInsanity So I should use the term "complexity" instead? You're nit-picking. You're doing anything but concede. This is because you don't care about the truth as much as about your ego.
@AthosAmo Oh is that what I'm doing? Weren't you just the one complaining about ad hominem attacks and making the argument all about your opponents being a bad thing and the like? An I'm not nit-picking, evolution shows that life on this planet has gone from simple to complex lifeforms without the use of your God, complexity does not imply creation, nor intelligence. I refer you once again to my coccyx.
@QuackenInsanity You nit-picked by saying that I shouldn't say "order" for that is begging the question in your eyes, even though atheists sometimes use the word "order" to describe stuff in space, or a species' make-up. An ad hominem isn't merely when you criticize someone; it's when you do that instead of refute them. You can't refute that all sandcastles require intelligence. Since they do, what of DNA, which dwarfs the greatest of them in terms of order?
... Your simple-to-complex mythology I have already exposed as a lie when I covered how your dates for fossils are unsubstantiated. Need I repeat myself, Mr. Insanity?
I already covered how your every claim of "vestigial" is an argument from ignorance.
You are rehashing failed points. Anything but admit the truth.
@AthosAmo Okay, let's just get to the tail end of this conversation, because, I admit, I am arguing in circles (though, considering how many time you rehashed the sandcastle metaphor, you surely would admit that you have done the same). So you're saying that everything that is ordered or complex requires a creator to exist, right? Lets say that true. God is surely far more complex than his creations, right? He is complex and ordered, so who created God?
I repeat my sandcastle analogy because it is my pet argument, it works, and you keep denying the logical conclusion. "So you're saying that everything that is ordered or complex requires a creator to exist, right?" Actually, no. Accidents can create a little bit of order, but they suppress it always. For every step forward accidents take, they take a hundred back. Progress is impossible there. God is a proposition of something NOT natural, so he is not subject to natural laws (cause & effect).
@AthosAmo Sorry to butt in but let me give you this theology. Take that sandcastle that you are talking about and imagine something greater. Lets say you imagine a nice house, now take that idea of a house and try to imagine something greater then a house. Lets say city we imagine a city. You take the city and you imagine something greater, which would be a country. In the end though you can imagine what ever you desire but what is the one greatest thing that can be imagined?
@littlevangel No matter what anybody can imagine, the universe or an army or even lord voldemort, God is the greatest thing that we can imagine because his power is infinite. Since this idea or image, that even reside in atheists, are inside our minds who is to say that the idea of God does not exist. You seem to be knowledgeable in science but i must remind you that even science has concepts like antimatter. Since God is a concept to many people just like antimatter who is to say
@littlevangel that religion is a complete false idea. In the end your question about "who created god" is as simply answered as "who created the universe". To add the theology into the equation, why know that a universe exists and it has been proven, so then why do people still believe in the concept of God even though it cant be proven? Because it can explain where the universe came from including us. The greatest thing that can be imagined is God and it explains where the
@littlevangel universe came from because it didn't just pop out of no where and created life as we know it. Though i will always make a strong emphasis on my second idea. The world needs science just as it needs religion. They may be polar opposites but it helps the world both ways. Merry Christmas to All!
@AthosAmo ...you're saying that things can exist without a creator, they just always fail? That's a weird theology, if that's the case then God didn't have to create this world, she just had to make sure that it didn't go down the shitter, which she clearly failed at. Also, if God isn't subject to any natural order then she isn't subject to any logic. Subsequently, we can argue about whether this universe needs a creator or not, but your argument stops at deism.
@Quacken Actually, ULTIMATELY nothing can exist without the Supreme Being, since everything directly or indirectly originates from him. I said that you don't need a creator for some cases of order, but that's true only starting from an already established nature. In other words, we already have nature, and once there is the stage and the elements, we can see accidents create a bit of order occasionally. If we look at the bigger picture, then intelligence is always needed ultimately.
@Quacken ... You are begging the question that logic is merely natural. Logic is spiritual because our minds are of the spirit, if not the spirit itself. If we were merely physical, we would not have the power of choice, because if we were merely physical, we would be totally predetermined by physics. Clearly we are not, as you can see whenever you are aware of the order in which you cut your nails. You are conscious of the fact that YOU -as opposed to nature outside of your mind- decide. Cont.
Here's one of the reasons why I know that Jesus is God. Why would the Divine create a universe full of suffering and chaos (besides beauty and order)? The best explanation for this reality is the Jewish Scriptures' which is that originally, there was no death, suffering nor decay, but that it inevitably came about directly or indirectly because of sin. God has the right to create beings with free will (i.e. ability to choose between good and evil) in order to share life with the few (continued)
... (with the few) who will choose to be with him. To fault God for suffering is to blame him for giving us freedom. Should we be robots who are forced to obey him? No. His only "crime" was to give us the power of choice. That is no crime. Any other explanation fails to rationally account for either: why the divine would let us enjoy so much good, why let us suffer so much, why create us when suffering could have been avoided by not having created us, & how any of us can be saved from ourselves.
@AthosAmo ...and then a wild snorlax will apear and u will use machamp to capture him .... If there is a "god" then he has a bad taste of houmor . If there is a god i ll ask him why ? If he answers u had a choice ... i ll answer NO I DID NOT HAD A CHOICE ! Some man and woman decided to make a kid bring him/her in a world of deceit . U call it a gift i call it a curse . I belive in humanity . A god fails to heal . You can follow the god that failed .I will follow myself .
@badguygr No one said that you had a choice as to being born or not. But you have the choice to reject my arugment for no good reason, and you are exercising it. I didn't say that life is only a gift. I know it involves suffering. You believe in humanity? If by that you mean mankind, then you believe in the reason life can stink.
Amen! it's older, and lacks what films today have by way of CGA and sound, etc, but it wins! Short, sweet and can't be beat! The GOSPEL is always good!
Hey people... for those of you maybe wanting an expanded answer that Linus might give as an adult, why not check out a series of entries within this category/archive?
This applies to you folk who grapple with the larger significance of Christmas and who are probably burned out from the commercial circus it has become. Peace.
As a "non-evangelical atheist" one can at least understand why some people have become upset with the original intent of the message of Christmas becoming obscured by unbridled commercialism. Atheist who freak out and start calling people stupid and fools need to read "How to Win friends and influence people" 'cause acting like an A-hole ain't doin' it, plus there is a time and place for everything. Christ
Linus is my favorite character in the Peanuts gallery. I always thought he seemed like the world's greatest best friend. Someone who would listen to you, someone who would give advice when needed, and someone would stand beside you. In the Peanuts world, Linus was the moral barometer. No where was that better shown than in this scene. Honest, heartfelt, and sincere. Linus is a friend for the ages. Take it easy.---Kirk
joy doesnt come from toys or entertainment. this only fills the void. true joy comes from having the holy spirit in your heart and doing good for others, making someones day a little big brighter. that is joy.
The xmas tree is the same pattern as the pyramid with the eye of Horus in the dollar bill. The satanic pentagram is often used as the star on the tree. Angels, including demons, are represented in the Bible as stars. The xmas tree with a star on top is a Masonic & Satanic symbol for the anti-Christ ruling over the devil-worshippers who rule the world. The Muslims say the anti-Christ/Dajjal is one-eyed. In the land of the blind, the 1-eyed man is king. Most of you are blind, religious or not.
We looked at this the other night when it came on... and My husband and I sat there and were so happy to realized this unadulterated cartoon was still on "putting the real meaning out there". WE just smiled and smiled. Thank you for putting this up!
Strange to see everyone trashing this... some legalist "I'll beat you down with my KJV" people and some unbelieving "all Christians are stupid idiots" folks. Kinda how it went for Jesus when he came the first time. I liked Charlie Brown's Christmas, and liked this segment of it. It is the basic biblical narrative. Since Christmas is what many of us are celebrating, we find joy in that story. I want to be respectful of those who don't believe, and the legalists. But can't apologize for my joy.
I don't care if you consider Christmas Christian or pagan. The fact is that here Linus quokes the Authorized King James Version of the Bible! That is wonderful! You can keep your New International and American Standard conterfeits!
@eagle12687 I don't know who you are responding to, but in case it is me, here is my response. It is not my opinion that xmas is pagan. It is fact that yuletide crap and the xmas tree and the waiting for the birth/resurrection of the sun on the winter solstice are all pagan elements you naive masses I once was a part of sacriligeously perpetuate, mixing the profane with the holy. Intention is never good enough.
But I'll answer your question anyway. The sun is an inanimate object which was created with less care than you and I were. It does more for mankind than you and I, but it still has less inherent worth.
@AthosAmo It was created with less care? What does that mean? It's a giant irradiated burning ball of plasma in the middle of our solar system. The planet that we live on literally revolves around this construction. Furthermore, when did humans become more valuable than the sun? We can't produce as much energy as the sun, in fact we're dependent on it. I'm pretty sure if you had a choice between the life of some random human, and the sun, then you'd choose the latter.
@QuackenInsanity God formed Adam probably with his hands, whereas he made the sun by just speaking it into existence. He was (and is) more concerned with Adam than anything else. We have value by being beings like God. I would choose the sun over a random human because by choosing the sun, I would be choosing the billions of people who need it to survive. If we could live without it, then I would choose the random person.
Xmas is just another way fake christians perpetuate pagan practices from the sun-worshippers during Constantine's time. I am a real Christian who stopped celebrating the winter solstice when the sun starts increasing its daily height in the sky after its lowest point representing death, as if Jesus is a sun god.
Same with Ishtar/Easter, which is a fertility goddess name perversely used for Jesus' resurrection day.
But I don't mind getting presents for Annual Gift-Getting!
@AthosAmo What's wrong with celebrating Magi Visitation Day? The Magi were obviously brought there by God, so can't I celebrate Jesus' birth on the same day they did?
And yes, Magi Visitation Day IS December 25.
BTW, in most countries Easter is called Pascal, which means Passover.
@AthosAmo It's not. It's four days afterward on the 25th.
And I know because we have software that can give us an accurate picture of what the night sky looked like from Babylon and Jerusalem 2,000 years ago. Jupiter, the star the Magi followed, went into retrograde motion in the southern sky as the Magi traveled south from Jerusalem. That's what made it appear to come to a stop over Bethlehem. This happened on 12/25/2 BC.
@AtarahDerek You're joking right ? Bethlehem is 6 miles south from Jerusalem, there was a road, Magi wouldn't have needed a star. Jupiter is a planet not a star. The planets move very slowly across constellations- not enough to make up for rotation of earth, so as to appear stationary. A light would need to be 100 feet above a building to identify a specific one. A star near horizon would only be behind a house that happened to be between you and it. Is star fact or fiction ?
@zytigon Ah, but the star was not intended to guide them at that point. It was merely confirmation. They watched it for nine months before setting off for Jerusalem just to make sure they were right. Then when it stopped over Bethlehem, they knew they were going the right way. The Bible never says the star stopped over a specific house.
And to a naked eye observer, what does Jupiter look like? The word "planet" means "wandering star." Where do you suppose that term comes from?
@AtarahDerek What made Magi think a star could mean birth of Jewish King? Astrology or was it like an etchasketch spelling out words or morse code ? Yes that is probably it- a blinking star. see Youtube wondering if star was conjunction between Jupiter & Saturn in 7BC. But that would only have been a week. Anyway planets get close for a month per year as we near on circuit. You know the stars above my house tonight have rearranged to spell FICTION, is C. Vorderman in control ?
@zytigon "What made a Magi think a star could mean the birth of a Jewish King?"
For that you'll just have to watch the Star of Bethlehem presentation by Rick Larson. It's on YouTube. Just replace the URL tag on this video with this one: TdrLYipYjS0
@AtarahDerek How would you know that the star spoken of is Jupiter? Was it the only one with a then-abnormal movement? I'd have to take your word for what you say. I've heard it said that the ancient shepherds didn't keep watch over their flocks by night during the coldest times of the year, which rules out your beloved Saturnalia date.
@AthosAmo Didn't you watch the presentation? Rick Larson explains everything MUCH better than I ever could here.
Besides, Magi Visitation Day and Jesus' birthday are not the same day. I didn't think anyone believed that it was. I assumed everyone knew the Magi actually showed up later.
@AtarahDerek By the way, the winter solstice isn't always four days away from your beloved 25 of December, and it practically is the same time. The Roman heretic church has always put a semi-Christian veneer over pagan celebrations and idols. The 25th is another one of them.
I'm not a religious person. I'm not sure what I believe, but I think is one of the greatest scenes in ANY Christmas special. Anybody who dislikes this monologue is a bitter atheist who can't see the joy in anything.
@mark224 Nativity scenes should have discreet written warning: "Caution, contains stong elements of fiction. Always consult Doctor Robert M.Price before drinking from the well of fantasy. Symptoms of poisoning include unwarranted anxiety & euphoria, if not they, then those around them may experience nausea. Antidote : ' The reason driven life '. See also John W. Loftus. Matt 7v12 Golden Rule & Matt 5v43-44 & 1 Cor 13v13 are the candle in the darkness of the Bible.
@zytigon That's really good. Do you use that one at dinner parties? Have you ever noticed that when you go on one of your overly-rehearsed atheist diatribes the person who has had the misfortune of being within listening distance to you has a very bored look on their face?
@mark224 What bits of the Christmas story do you think are true and which bits do you think are less than true? What is your interpretation ? Or whose interpretation do you trust? I enjoy the Bible as mostly fiction, like Santa. For an interesting read than me try, ' The portable atheist ' by Hitchens.
@zytigon Atheism is the extremely irrational faith in accidents to do what accidents can never do: create great order from scratch.
An atheist is one who unwittingly buys into a notion EXCEEDINGLY MORE ABSURD than the ridiculous idea of sandcastles eroding into existence. DNA dwarfs any sandcastle, yet you think it can be accidentally formed. That's worse than asserting that a sandcastle...ERODED INTO EXISTENCE. There is not even 1 single example to make that plausible. Atheism is irrational.
@AthosAmo do not get angry. this is true, but showing anger is simply godless and makes you in an even less position to judge him, a right which we do not even have in the first place. you are acting in anger, and though he does not believe he was not acting to try and take away our beliefs and enforce his upon us. he was being peaceful about his actions. anger will only push people away from Christ. show them true joy, show them what it means to have the holy spirit in your heart.
@d3ltadrive I do come off angry, but it's not against zytigon; it's against the lie he believes. I just am being blunt in saying that atheism is irrational, explaining how. My capital letters are for emphasis. I don't know how to use italics here, or if it can be done. Also, there is no way to make clear that atheism is irrational without potentially hurting an atheist's feelings. I did not call him irrational. What I targeted was the -ism, not the -ist. I can never be a politician. Too blunt.
@mark224 I'm now glad that I heard all the various songs at church. You need to know the original in order to make & get jokes about it. There are so many ideas from the Bible spread throughout culture that it helps to get the big picture by reading Price's books. Bible is valueable early culture, a fascinating relic.I think the supernatural realm it talks of is a failed hypothesis.I kinda like to think that Jesus might return through the clouds on his sleigh to take us all to heaven.
@zytigon I'm not going to read the boring books that you seemed to be obsessed with. I'd rather stab myself in the neck with a pencil. You atheists are worse than Bible thumpers.
I'm an atheist, but hardly bitter. I can see the joy in many things, however, because I don't believe in this, it is hard to get through all the "Lords" "angels" and whatever else to see any real message.
Why do we celebrate Christmas? It was originally a roman holiday Saturnalia. The idea of being kind, celebrating with loved ones and partying came from there. It is hardly the actual birthday of Jesus. December is the rainy season in Jerusalem, so no shepherd would be outside
What do you mean? I've never seen this special before, I didn't realize Charlie Brown was so religious. Anyway, I was curious what they were going to say.
I'm an atheist because I have not been given any proof that a god or gods exist. The reason why I don't believe in your god(s) is the same reason why I don't believe in Zeus or Thor. I have an open mind, I think more so than most Christians, at least I am willing to question my beliefs. Can you say the same?
haha there is accually a church right down the road from my house and it says on the sign where u can find this in the bible and then it says thats what christmas is all about charlie brown
Those who get technical about the actual birthdate of the promised Messiah are people who don't understand what Linus was talking about. Only kids thinks a year is absolute 365 days a year.
Christian or not, this good man named Jesus Christ the Savior of the world brought the true meaning of why we are here on this earth to the world-that we can live again together in the next life as brothers and sisters. If you don't believe that, well someday I will tell you "I told you so".
EastNorthFire-- practicing Wiccan who wants to celebrate Christmas on the Winter Solstice, the so-called original Christmas. If you're so organic, maybe you should live in a cave like your ancestors originally did you freaking cultist!
The people below me are more concerned about debating what Christmas is and trying to be right or make a statement, they totally miss, through all their seriousness, the Spirit of this Holiday. Relax y'all, enjoy your Family and Friends. Who really gives a crap about the rest.
I am a practicing Wiccan and I celebrate YULE on the winter solstice.......the original Christmas! Do you wonder where your Christmas tree or Yule Log (cake) comes from? Ask us Pagans. Winter solstice is not something to be feared.....it is the celebration of the returning of the SUN........if you notice, on Dec 22nd the day is longer than it was on Dec 21st. I love this season.....for the wheel of life turns yet again.......we know spring is coming........and the Universe takes care of us all.
I think this is really cute and on the topic of Christmas well let's just say personally I don't know what to think anymore, it's just so much confusion & so much past, present & future information running around.. I think you really have to dig deep if it means that much to you, then make your choice to believe in what you think is right.
@Anondante If you are correct, then it should be called Solmas. Since it is known throughout the world as CHRISTmas, I'll just go on celebrating it as it is intended, the birth of Jesus Christ.
@Anondante umm Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. I'm sure you are commenting about a roman mythological "fact" or idea but it IS called mythology for a reason.
@Anondante You are referring to "Dies Natalis Solis Invicti" which translates as "the birthday of the unconquered sun".
CHRISTmas, as the name implies, celebrating the birth of Christ, has been celebrated since the first century.Dies Natalis Solis Invinci, celebrates nothing and has only been around since the fourth century.
No matter how hard any of you left-wing, politically correct, gotta please everyone kooks try, you'll NEVER take CHRIST out of CHRISTMAS.
Christmas was originally called Saturnalia which was a pagan festival. The reason it came to Christianity was because Pope Julius I wanted to convert the pagan Romans, who were the majority at the time, so he adopted the holiday and slapped on a new name and declared that December 25 is Jesus Christs birthday. Thats right this whole Christmas thing was created to convert a bunch of pagans.
If you don't believe me Google "Origins of Christmas".
@Anondante um no. Saturnalia lasted a week before Christmas (from Dec 17-23), not even the traditions were similar(unless you count giving gifts and having a good time). Also, weird how Pope Julius made Christmas the 25th in 337 when both Julius Africanus and Hippolytus mention the birth of Christ as the 25th in 225, a hundred years earlier.
If you are saying Jesus was born on the 25th of December then your whole argument goes out of the window because everyone knows that he wasn't even born close to that date.
If you don't believe me just Google Origins of Christmas and read what professionals have to say.
Btw Pope Julius ALTERED the original to make is Christian-friendly.
haha again you claim Pope Julius altered the original when I clearly stated that December 25th was the accepted date for the birth of Christ for over a hundred years prior to Julius becoming pope. Google "Julius Africianus" or "Hippolytus", they both stated the birth of Christ was on the 25th. saying "every knows he wasn't born then" is stupid when clearly the early Christian church DID believe that.
AMEN
PuffJiggleh 1 month ago
@athosamo is that a hug, sir?
Sporkzeranza 1 month ago
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zeke2410 1 month ago
@zeke2410 Promblem?
DiscoverThisTalent 1 month ago
@zeke2410 Problem? No.
DiscoverThisTalent 1 month ago
This is going on my FaceBook right now! This was always my favorite explanation of Christmas proper! Good bless. If you dont believe in the Salvation of Jesus, DON'T celebrate Christmas! Or else you're a hypocrite and contradicting yourself.
Dwikkles 1 month ago 5
God gives us the "choice" to believe in him here on earth. But we wil ALL believe one day! "EVERY knee shall bow and proclaim Christ is Lord". For some it will be too late, so whether you believe in Heaven or Hell or not, you will that day for sure. Maybe your life has been so awful because of your belief system. You weren't given a choice to be born, because we were all born for a reason. Merry CHRISTmas!
paris61795 1 month ago
merry CHRISTmas everyone. God Bless
SBeller92 1 month ago
Classic and beautiful.
InGratiaDei 1 month ago
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Yes, Linus does say it best!! Merry Christmas!
kaytubes 1 month ago
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kaytubes 1 month ago
It is a tremendous disservice to this video to all comments. Just turn them off.
D2Kprime 1 month ago
@D2Kprime You're right. Who needs free speech?
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo: Well, the next time a bill passes in which is to muzzle any public display of Christianity, I hope that you are there to speech up for OUR free speech rights. :0)
D2Kprime 1 month ago
@D2Kprime As long as the Muslims can build a mosque where the U.S. govt. allowed planes to crash according to plan.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo: So....you aren't for free speech? Are you are aren't you?
D2Kprime 1 month ago
@D2Kprime I am for free speech. It's like the best thing about the United States.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo: Okay.
D2Kprime 1 month ago
@D2Kprime Merry day to you, sir.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo : Merry Christmas to you too, and Happy New Year!
D2Kprime 1 month ago
@D2Kprime I don't celebrate xmas, but thanks. Much appreciated.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
And a bunch of morons try to make this a lecture on the myth of evolution.
Also Jesus was born in October. Christmas is just in December because that way the Christians could blend in with other festivals and avoid persecution.
michiyoyoshiku 1 month ago
@michiyoyoshiku How do you know he was born in October? I know he was not born in or near xmas day, though.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
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You have to know your jewish holidays he was born during a Special sabbath
michiyoyoshiku 1 month ago
@michiyoyoshiku Hi, born during a Special Sabbath? His death was near one, The Passover, but his passing? What is the source of that information? Thanks!
sadsongsishere 1 month ago
Yep satens poisen. Seen my dad drink himself to death and hated watching a loved one do that to himself. A person that over drinks isnt that bright right. You have your poisen and i'll stay with Jesus because he is the true reason for the Season.God gives us a chiose who to follow its either Saten or God.He wont twist anyones arm . I'll pray for you ok.
modave55 1 month ago
Merry Christmas Charlie Brown!!
kathleenmdillon 1 month ago
tomatodamashi, when you say you are an atheist that means you believe the existence of God can be disproven. So tell me what evidence do you have that disproves God's existence?
1country203 1 month ago
@1country203 That's not necessarily what atheist means, generally "atheist" means someone who doesn't believe in God, but you can lack belief without denying something. Furthermore, you can't prove that something doesn't exist, even if it most likely doesn't. You can, however, point out that, in the absence of evidence, there is no reason to conclude that something does exist.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity But there is more evidence for God than for anything else. Evidence is just stuff that is interpreted for or against an idea. All nature is evidence for God because it requires an ultimate explanation, which is the case because nature had a heat birth. The only alternative to the supernatural to explain this nature, is accidents, which are always seen to fail to create great order. Not one sandcastle has eroded into existence. So how could DNA have been originally an accident?
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo By "accidents" I assume you mean that the universe is random... well, it is random. To start with, we're evolved creatures, that means that the living organisms on this planet were faced with random environments, weather, predators, mutations, etc, and only survived by adapting to their environment. That which couldn't survive was eradicated. The universe works in much the same way, what you describe as accidents are actually just billions of years worth of trial and error.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity The universe as we see it now behaves randomly, but that doesn't mean it got to host such great order merely randomly. You know no sandcastle ever can erode into existence. That would be accidents creating great order. So why think so of DNA, when it comes to its origin? Evolution is fact, but not macro-evolution. The "theory" of "evolution" isn't even a theory, because it is unfalsifiable. You can rearrange all connections between species, and still assume common descent.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Wait, you're admitting that evolution is an example of the universe operating randomly? You do realize that DNA is evolved right? That the first form of life on this planet didn't have DNA? Also, I don't know what you mean by evolution being "unfalsifiable," it isn't. Evolution makes the claim that species as a whole will change based on the dominant genetic qualities of the members of that species, this is a claim that, if proven wrong, would falsify the theory of evolution.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity DNA evolves, of course, but the issue is of the origin of all DNA, which can't be accidents, just as not a single sandcastle can ever be formed accidentally. Both DNA and any sandcastle have such great order that mindless accidents are wholly inadequate to account for them; intelligence is needed. I said that the "theory" of "evolution" (i.e., common descent of species) is unfalsifiable. Evolution is fact, but not common descent, which is known as the "theory" of "evolution."
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo No, that's not what I said. I said DNA is evolved. DNA itself is a product of evolution, at one point in the earths history you couldn't find DNA in the lifeforms on this planet, it's a mutation. Also, you're wrong, common descent isn't unfalsifiable. common descent is a theory that's supported by evidence and that's why it has scientific weight, something is only unfalsifiable if it's believed despite a lack of evidence, take down the evidence and you take down the theory.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity What isn't what you said? What are you referring to exactly? You beg the question that DNA is merely a mutation. "Also, you're wrong, common descent isn't unfalsifiable." Then falsify it with a single scenario. No atheist I've argued with has ever done that. I know none can. Evidence is just stuff that's interpreted for or against an idea. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has more evidence than macro-evolution.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo With evolution, you can observe the species on this planet, and if you find that none of them changed over successive generations, then evolution wouldn't be accepted. That's science, a lack of evidence would, for all intents and purposes, disprove something until evidence could be found. So I say the same of God, I assume that God is a false claim until proven otherwise. What you're doing is arguing from a lack of evidence, you're saying that we don't know so it must be God.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
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@QuackenInsanity "What you're doing is arguing from a lack of evidence, you're saying that we don't know so it must be God." No. I said: "All nature is evidence for God because it requires an ultimate explanation, which is the case because nature had a heat birth. The only alternative to the supernatural to explain this nature, is accidents, which are always seen to fail to create great order. Not one sandcastle has eroded into existence. So how could DNA have been originally an accident?"
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Just calling the alternative to God an "accident" doesn't explain anything about it. It's an unknown, 500 years ago no one would've conceived that our species exists the way it does today because of evolution, no one would've conceived that we share our earliest ancestors with every other species on the planet, we said "look at our complexity, we must be designed." But we're not, evolution shows that the complexity of our bodies is a product of random chance.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@Quacken Nope. The fact that the only alternative to intelligence ultimately behind nature is accidents means that you believe something more absurd than the notion that a single sandcastle can erode into existence. You can never provide a single example of such a thing, so for you to assert that no intelligence is needed to account for nature is just lying to yourself against empiricism -that being every experience with accidents which shows that they can't do great order from scratch.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Do you get off on sandcastles or something, why do you use that example so much? Okay, what is a universe that lacks order? What does something like that look like? Is it just massive destruction and chaos? Yes? Well congratulations, you're looking at our universe. Perhaps from your viewpoint from this world where you live amongst a species that provides order for you is skewing your perception of our circumstances but let me try to explain it as best I can.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@AthosAmo We are the lone planet in this solar system that can sustain life as we know it, we are a tiny blue dot being hurled at about 67000 miles per hour around a tiny star in a quiet little corner of our galaxy. On this planet, more than 99% of all species who have ever existed here have died off.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity Your point?
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Earth's gone through about 4.5 billion years shit including, but not limited to, constant asterial bombardment, a handful of worldwide natural disasters, mass extinctions, plague, and the magnetic reversal of the poles. Remember, this is the good planet, this is the planet with order and stability. Listen, we're almost out of time, we've got less than 2 billion years left on our clock before the planet becomes too hot to contain water.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity You don't know the age of any fossil. You are using methods that work (carbon, for example), but when the establishment dates a fossil, it is assuming that what they date was never contaminated in millions of years. Since the geosphere is always changing, it is irrational to assume that the decay rate was steady. So your talk of 4.5 is a lie. You are deceived.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo And that's assuming we don't initiate heat death before that by eroding the ozone layer. In short, the universe isn't a fucking sandcastle with detailed windows and a fountain, it's a gang raped, schizophrenic, fucking mess of a universe if you try to look at if it was designed. Do me a favor, look up the wikipedia article on human vestigiality, how does that shit fit into our design, What do I have a useless coccyx for? I don't have a tail. I think your designer's flawed.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity My use of a sandcastle as an analogy is in terms of order. Yes, there is much chaos as well as order, but that is irrelevant to my argument. Any claim of something being vestigial is the fallacy called argument from ignorance. Not so long ago, yahoo gave me the news that a formerly-considered "vestigial" organ, actually has a purpose or two. A coccyx seems to be for muscles to attach to it.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Seems to be? You look at a tailbone, something that, for other mammals, serves the primary function attaching their tails to the rest of their bodies and think what? That God just ran out of spare parts? What about wisdom teeth? They have absolutely no use at all, a lot of people have them removed because they're a dangerous part of our anatomy, do you not see that as vestigial?
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity Argument from ignorance. Am I supposed to be omniscient? And it's funny you mention wisdom teeth, 'cause I got an appointment soon to take them out. haha. I read that our diets have to do with our jaw size, which determines wisdom tooth problems. Those with bigger jaws, such as Asians and Africans, tend to have far less cases of wisdom tooth problems, than Europeans.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo I get the feeling that humans could have a giant bloody hook sticking out of our asses and you'd say that there could be a reason for it. And I'm sure there could, humans are kind of ingenious like that, we make use of what we have, we adapt the environment to suit our needs, we survive all on our own on a lush planet that gives us everything we need and a pretty star that keeps us alive. I'm set, why do I need a God who can't even fit me with proper teeth design?
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity Nice try, but no cigar, atheist. One thing is the end of our spinal column, which doesn't even protrude -and another thing would be a tail, which is what you wish we had, so you could say we are just another ape. Why couldn't God have created animals similar to us? You rule that out. Wait. You rule God out too, don't you? Nah. You just claim to consider him to seem open-minded, though you deny him when he is proven to you, as I have done. Him being the supernatural.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity "a lush planet that gives us everything we need and a pretty star that keeps us alive." And how did they come to be? Not by accidents, as all empirical experience proving accidents to be the mindless failures they are. But by God's will, and Word. Instead of saying that God gives you the good you got, you say that the means he uses are the ones to get the credit. You praise the piano, but not Beethoven, nor the piano's designers.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity And I mean our diets generationally. What I eat now I do not think will determine my jaw size. Too late for that.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity "...evolution shows that the complexity of our bodies is a product of random chance." Evolution doesn't account for the first body. Evolution doesn't account for how the first DNA came to be. Evolution accounts only for why there are different races and breeds. You are going with the wishful thinking that because we have various breeds from the same type of being, that therefore, all such types came from the same original prototype. That's unfalsifiable. Ergo, not a theory.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
If your science fiction were true, then a race would be a step towards a new species, so long as it could be isolated enough from other races so as to diverge. This means that if your unobservable, imaginary, unfalsifiable, unscientific, wishful thinking notion were true, that a neo-nazi group could become greater than Africans if they separate in a space colony, with enough time. Also, bestiality would be little different than interracial sex, since species would be like races.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Um... what? I didn't say anything about human evolution, nazi's or inter-species erotica, aren't you just extrapolating all of that? And are you suggesting that we can't evolve? The diversity of races is variation which is a part of evolution... You wouldn't happen to be one of those "Hitler was an atheist inspired by Charles Darwin" nuts would you? Damn, I think I found myself on the wrong side of Youtube.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity I brought up those things to make the point that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is better than your racist, immorality-justifying mythology. I hate lies, but I don't hate you. I want you to reject bad stuff, to get the good stuff, both here and in the afterlife.
Hitler was a theist who was at some time a Roman Catholic, it seems. He just liked the fact that the strongest tend to survive.
You came here to bug others with what you think is the truth, and I just do that to you. lol
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity Evolution is fact. I am not against evolution. Evolution is unfalsifiable because it is proven that beings change genetically over generations. What is unfalsifiable is common descent. That is the main idea of the so-called "theory" of "evolution." Since it is unfalsifiable, it isn't even a theory in science. It is equal to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, except that the FSM isn't racist, so the FSM is actually better than macro-evolution.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo You say "Evolution is a fact" as if you've actually sat down and studied it yourself, and perhaps you have, but you clearly haven't read fuck all about common descent. Why argue about this and assert a position if you've never read up on it? Look, I hate to have to keep referring you to wikipedia but that's the bare minimum of research you could do if you wanted to learn about common descent, there's a fucking mountain of evidence. Google that shit.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity You are assuming the worst of me, and focusing this argument on me, when the fact of the matter is you should be focusing on the fact of the matter at hand, which is that you have not got a single example of accidents creating order accidentally from scratch. Since you lack even one, empiricism is against your even entertaining that no intelligence is needed. Empiricism tells you accidents can't do it. DNA. And the universe's great order. The only alternative is intelligence.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo You said that common descent is "unfalsifiable," that it is "not even a theory in science." These are grossly ignorant statements and I'm not assuming anything about you when I say that. I am saying that anyone could go to wikipedia and find that common descent is supported by scientific evidence, but fair enough. I assumed that you haven't read about common descent because the alternative is that you have read them and that you're being willfully ignorant of what you read.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity The more you ad hominem, the more it is clear that you lack 1. even one example of accidents creating great order from scratch (meaning that atheism is irrational, and you can do nothing to prove otherwise), and 2. even one falsification scenario for A) the so-called "theory" of "evolution" (the main idea of which needs to be falsifiable, but alas ain't), and also for B) the big explosion notion (big bang nonsense). Will you keep committing fallacies to deny being wrong?
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Listen dude, order implies will, it implies intelligence, by expressing it you're begging the question. As I've said again and again, there is not order in this universe, there is nothing coherent about this world, it just exists. If a shit load of sand and water gets thrown into each other and it lands in a pile on the ground, most likely it's not gonna be a sand castle, but it's gonna be something. And that's all this is, one something amongst a billion other possibilities.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity So I should use the term "complexity" instead? You're nit-picking. You're doing anything but concede. This is because you don't care about the truth as much as about your ego.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Oh is that what I'm doing? Weren't you just the one complaining about ad hominem attacks and making the argument all about your opponents being a bad thing and the like? An I'm not nit-picking, evolution shows that life on this planet has gone from simple to complex lifeforms without the use of your God, complexity does not imply creation, nor intelligence. I refer you once again to my coccyx.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity You nit-picked by saying that I shouldn't say "order" for that is begging the question in your eyes, even though atheists sometimes use the word "order" to describe stuff in space, or a species' make-up. An ad hominem isn't merely when you criticize someone; it's when you do that instead of refute them. You can't refute that all sandcastles require intelligence. Since they do, what of DNA, which dwarfs the greatest of them in terms of order?
Continued.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
... Your simple-to-complex mythology I have already exposed as a lie when I covered how your dates for fossils are unsubstantiated. Need I repeat myself, Mr. Insanity?
I already covered how your every claim of "vestigial" is an argument from ignorance.
You are rehashing failed points. Anything but admit the truth.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Okay, let's just get to the tail end of this conversation, because, I admit, I am arguing in circles (though, considering how many time you rehashed the sandcastle metaphor, you surely would admit that you have done the same). So you're saying that everything that is ordered or complex requires a creator to exist, right? Lets say that true. God is surely far more complex than his creations, right? He is complex and ordered, so who created God?
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
I repeat my sandcastle analogy because it is my pet argument, it works, and you keep denying the logical conclusion. "So you're saying that everything that is ordered or complex requires a creator to exist, right?" Actually, no. Accidents can create a little bit of order, but they suppress it always. For every step forward accidents take, they take a hundred back. Progress is impossible there. God is a proposition of something NOT natural, so he is not subject to natural laws (cause & effect).
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo AND LO.... ;3
Sporkzeranza 1 month ago
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AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Sorry to butt in but let me give you this theology. Take that sandcastle that you are talking about and imagine something greater. Lets say you imagine a nice house, now take that idea of a house and try to imagine something greater then a house. Lets say city we imagine a city. You take the city and you imagine something greater, which would be a country. In the end though you can imagine what ever you desire but what is the one greatest thing that can be imagined?
littlevangel 1 month ago
@littlevangel No matter what anybody can imagine, the universe or an army or even lord voldemort, God is the greatest thing that we can imagine because his power is infinite. Since this idea or image, that even reside in atheists, are inside our minds who is to say that the idea of God does not exist. You seem to be knowledgeable in science but i must remind you that even science has concepts like antimatter. Since God is a concept to many people just like antimatter who is to say
littlevangel 1 month ago
@littlevangel that religion is a complete false idea. In the end your question about "who created god" is as simply answered as "who created the universe". To add the theology into the equation, why know that a universe exists and it has been proven, so then why do people still believe in the concept of God even though it cant be proven? Because it can explain where the universe came from including us. The greatest thing that can be imagined is God and it explains where the
littlevangel 1 month ago
@littlevangel universe came from because it didn't just pop out of no where and created life as we know it. Though i will always make a strong emphasis on my second idea. The world needs science just as it needs religion. They may be polar opposites but it helps the world both ways. Merry Christmas to All!
littlevangel 1 month ago
@AthosAmo ...you're saying that things can exist without a creator, they just always fail? That's a weird theology, if that's the case then God didn't have to create this world, she just had to make sure that it didn't go down the shitter, which she clearly failed at. Also, if God isn't subject to any natural order then she isn't subject to any logic. Subsequently, we can argue about whether this universe needs a creator or not, but your argument stops at deism.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@Quacken Actually, ULTIMATELY nothing can exist without the Supreme Being, since everything directly or indirectly originates from him. I said that you don't need a creator for some cases of order, but that's true only starting from an already established nature. In other words, we already have nature, and once there is the stage and the elements, we can see accidents create a bit of order occasionally. If we look at the bigger picture, then intelligence is always needed ultimately.
Continued.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@Quacken ... You are begging the question that logic is merely natural. Logic is spiritual because our minds are of the spirit, if not the spirit itself. If we were merely physical, we would not have the power of choice, because if we were merely physical, we would be totally predetermined by physics. Clearly we are not, as you can see whenever you are aware of the order in which you cut your nails. You are conscious of the fact that YOU -as opposed to nature outside of your mind- decide. Cont.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
Here's one of the reasons why I know that Jesus is God. Why would the Divine create a universe full of suffering and chaos (besides beauty and order)? The best explanation for this reality is the Jewish Scriptures' which is that originally, there was no death, suffering nor decay, but that it inevitably came about directly or indirectly because of sin. God has the right to create beings with free will (i.e. ability to choose between good and evil) in order to share life with the few (continued)
AthosAmo 1 month ago
... (with the few) who will choose to be with him. To fault God for suffering is to blame him for giving us freedom. Should we be robots who are forced to obey him? No. His only "crime" was to give us the power of choice. That is no crime. Any other explanation fails to rationally account for either: why the divine would let us enjoy so much good, why let us suffer so much, why create us when suffering could have been avoided by not having created us, & how any of us can be saved from ourselves.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo ...and then a wild snorlax will apear and u will use machamp to capture him .... If there is a "god" then he has a bad taste of houmor . If there is a god i ll ask him why ? If he answers u had a choice ... i ll answer NO I DID NOT HAD A CHOICE ! Some man and woman decided to make a kid bring him/her in a world of deceit . U call it a gift i call it a curse . I belive in humanity . A god fails to heal . You can follow the god that failed .I will follow myself .
badguygr 1 month ago
@badguygr No one said that you had a choice as to being born or not. But you have the choice to reject my arugment for no good reason, and you are exercising it. I didn't say that life is only a gift. I know it involves suffering. You believe in humanity? If by that you mean mankind, then you believe in the reason life can stink.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity ..we did
wanderliscious 1 month ago
@wanderliscious And that's the true meaning of Christmas.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
I'm atheist but I find this being the most relatable special ever c:
BANGDBOARDS 1 month ago
God Bless You Linus.
buckeyebaptist43719 1 month ago
linus, you get a gold star! well said! :D
TheCarolStreamKid 1 month ago
Amen! it's older, and lacks what films today have by way of CGA and sound, etc, but it wins! Short, sweet and can't be beat! The GOSPEL is always good!
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tapkae 1 month ago
Luke 2:8. Now official one of my favorite scriptures.
loadedjogger 1 month ago
Love how he requests the spotlight before quoting Luke. Linus knows how to sell the message, baby, just like Vince Guaraldi and Charles M. Schulz.
goback3spaces 1 month ago
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Benstudio13 1 month ago
THEIRS ONLY ONE MEANING FOR CHRISTMAS THE BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST . IF ANY OTHER CELEBRATION WOULD BE MEANINGLESS.
modave55 1 month ago
@modave55 Thankfully I don't need meaning to get drunk off my ass and hang out with my family, so I can still enjoy Christmas.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
As a "non-evangelical atheist" one can at least understand why some people have become upset with the original intent of the message of Christmas becoming obscured by unbridled commercialism. Atheist who freak out and start calling people stupid and fools need to read "How to Win friends and influence people" 'cause acting like an A-hole ain't doin' it, plus there is a time and place for everything. Christ
Badwsky 1 month ago
Linus is my favorite character in the Peanuts gallery. I always thought he seemed like the world's greatest best friend. Someone who would listen to you, someone who would give advice when needed, and someone would stand beside you. In the Peanuts world, Linus was the moral barometer. No where was that better shown than in this scene. Honest, heartfelt, and sincere. Linus is a friend for the ages. Take it easy.---Kirk
raybradhausen 1 month ago 5
The Bible is fiction based on the worship of the Sun, probably why the holy day is called Sunday.
Truthforfreedom1 1 month ago
joy doesnt come from toys or entertainment. this only fills the void. true joy comes from having the holy spirit in your heart and doing good for others, making someones day a little big brighter. that is joy.
d3ltadrive 1 month ago
We need Charlie brown again, not these new cartoons that teach kids that Christmas is about getting presents. I want to be that modest tree.
d3ltadrive 1 month ago
The xmas tree is the same pattern as the pyramid with the eye of Horus in the dollar bill. The satanic pentagram is often used as the star on the tree. Angels, including demons, are represented in the Bible as stars. The xmas tree with a star on top is a Masonic & Satanic symbol for the anti-Christ ruling over the devil-worshippers who rule the world. The Muslims say the anti-Christ/Dajjal is one-eyed. In the land of the blind, the 1-eyed man is king. Most of you are blind, religious or not.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
We looked at this the other night when it came on... and My husband and I sat there and were so happy to realized this unadulterated cartoon was still on "putting the real meaning out there". WE just smiled and smiled. Thank you for putting this up!
StopDropnRollon 1 month ago 2
Linus is my favorite, he's smart, cultivated, unassuming, and yet he carries around a blanket.
berg3929 1 month ago
Lots of people these days only celebrate Christmas to get time off work and get free gifts.
imagineerboi 1 month ago
Strange to see everyone trashing this... some legalist "I'll beat you down with my KJV" people and some unbelieving "all Christians are stupid idiots" folks. Kinda how it went for Jesus when he came the first time. I liked Charlie Brown's Christmas, and liked this segment of it. It is the basic biblical narrative. Since Christmas is what many of us are celebrating, we find joy in that story. I want to be respectful of those who don't believe, and the legalists. But can't apologize for my joy.
shonkin57 1 month ago 4
I don't care if you consider Christmas Christian or pagan. The fact is that here Linus quokes the Authorized King James Version of the Bible! That is wonderful! You can keep your New International and American Standard conterfeits!
eagle12687 1 month ago
@eagle12687 ...As a Believer...I am alarmed...and would urge you to examine your soul, and repent.
eelnomtih 1 month ago
@eelnomti I would urge you to masturbate vigorously for several hours, that doesn't mean it's good for you.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@eagle12687 I don't know who you are responding to, but in case it is me, here is my response. It is not my opinion that xmas is pagan. It is fact that yuletide crap and the xmas tree and the waiting for the birth/resurrection of the sun on the winter solstice are all pagan elements you naive masses I once was a part of sacriligeously perpetuate, mixing the profane with the holy. Intention is never good enough.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo What do you have against worshiping the sun? We couldn't exist without the sun.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity Obvious troll is obvious.
But I'll answer your question anyway. The sun is an inanimate object which was created with less care than you and I were. It does more for mankind than you and I, but it still has less inherent worth.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo It was created with less care? What does that mean? It's a giant irradiated burning ball of plasma in the middle of our solar system. The planet that we live on literally revolves around this construction. Furthermore, when did humans become more valuable than the sun? We can't produce as much energy as the sun, in fact we're dependent on it. I'm pretty sure if you had a choice between the life of some random human, and the sun, then you'd choose the latter.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@QuackenInsanity God formed Adam probably with his hands, whereas he made the sun by just speaking it into existence. He was (and is) more concerned with Adam than anything else. We have value by being beings like God. I would choose the sun over a random human because by choosing the sun, I would be choosing the billions of people who need it to survive. If we could live without it, then I would choose the random person.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
9 people have no souls.
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MusicMAAD 2 months ago
Xmas is just another way fake christians perpetuate pagan practices from the sun-worshippers during Constantine's time. I am a real Christian who stopped celebrating the winter solstice when the sun starts increasing its daily height in the sky after its lowest point representing death, as if Jesus is a sun god.
Same with Ishtar/Easter, which is a fertility goddess name perversely used for Jesus' resurrection day.
But I don't mind getting presents for Annual Gift-Getting!
AthosAmo 2 months ago
@AthosAmo What's wrong with celebrating Magi Visitation Day? The Magi were obviously brought there by God, so can't I celebrate Jesus' birth on the same day they did?
And yes, Magi Visitation Day IS December 25.
BTW, in most countries Easter is called Pascal, which means Passover.
AtarahDerek 1 month ago
@AtarahDerek How would you know if "Magi Visitation Day" is the winter solstice?
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo It's not. It's four days afterward on the 25th.
And I know because we have software that can give us an accurate picture of what the night sky looked like from Babylon and Jerusalem 2,000 years ago. Jupiter, the star the Magi followed, went into retrograde motion in the southern sky as the Magi traveled south from Jerusalem. That's what made it appear to come to a stop over Bethlehem. This happened on 12/25/2 BC.
AtarahDerek 1 month ago
@AtarahDerek You're joking right ? Bethlehem is 6 miles south from Jerusalem, there was a road, Magi wouldn't have needed a star. Jupiter is a planet not a star. The planets move very slowly across constellations- not enough to make up for rotation of earth, so as to appear stationary. A light would need to be 100 feet above a building to identify a specific one. A star near horizon would only be behind a house that happened to be between you and it. Is star fact or fiction ?
zytigon 1 month ago
@zytigon Ah, but the star was not intended to guide them at that point. It was merely confirmation. They watched it for nine months before setting off for Jerusalem just to make sure they were right. Then when it stopped over Bethlehem, they knew they were going the right way. The Bible never says the star stopped over a specific house.
And to a naked eye observer, what does Jupiter look like? The word "planet" means "wandering star." Where do you suppose that term comes from?
AtarahDerek 1 month ago
@AtarahDerek What made Magi think a star could mean birth of Jewish King? Astrology or was it like an etchasketch spelling out words or morse code ? Yes that is probably it- a blinking star. see Youtube wondering if star was conjunction between Jupiter & Saturn in 7BC. But that would only have been a week. Anyway planets get close for a month per year as we near on circuit. You know the stars above my house tonight have rearranged to spell FICTION, is C. Vorderman in control ?
zytigon 1 month ago
@zytigon "What made a Magi think a star could mean the birth of a Jewish King?"
For that you'll just have to watch the Star of Bethlehem presentation by Rick Larson. It's on YouTube. Just replace the URL tag on this video with this one: TdrLYipYjS0
That's part one of three. Enjoy!
AtarahDerek 1 month ago
@AtarahDerek How would you know that the star spoken of is Jupiter? Was it the only one with a then-abnormal movement? I'd have to take your word for what you say. I've heard it said that the ancient shepherds didn't keep watch over their flocks by night during the coldest times of the year, which rules out your beloved Saturnalia date.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo Didn't you watch the presentation? Rick Larson explains everything MUCH better than I ever could here.
Besides, Magi Visitation Day and Jesus' birthday are not the same day. I didn't think anyone believed that it was. I assumed everyone knew the Magi actually showed up later.
AtarahDerek 1 month ago
@AtarahDerek By the way, the winter solstice isn't always four days away from your beloved 25 of December, and it practically is the same time. The Roman heretic church has always put a semi-Christian veneer over pagan celebrations and idols. The 25th is another one of them.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
Notice that this is the only time that Linus ever drops his blanket.
upsman53 1 year ago
@hopelesslyderanged
i welcome you to pessimism :P
IzzyBunneh 1 year ago
I'm not a religious person. I'm not sure what I believe, but I think is one of the greatest scenes in ANY Christmas special. Anybody who dislikes this monologue is a bitter atheist who can't see the joy in anything.
mark224 1 year ago 36
@mark224 Nativity scenes should have discreet written warning: "Caution, contains stong elements of fiction. Always consult Doctor Robert M.Price before drinking from the well of fantasy. Symptoms of poisoning include unwarranted anxiety & euphoria, if not they, then those around them may experience nausea. Antidote : ' The reason driven life '. See also John W. Loftus. Matt 7v12 Golden Rule & Matt 5v43-44 & 1 Cor 13v13 are the candle in the darkness of the Bible.
zytigon 1 month ago
@zytigon That's really good. Do you use that one at dinner parties? Have you ever noticed that when you go on one of your overly-rehearsed atheist diatribes the person who has had the misfortune of being within listening distance to you has a very bored look on their face?
mark224 1 month ago
@mark224 What bits of the Christmas story do you think are true and which bits do you think are less than true? What is your interpretation ? Or whose interpretation do you trust? I enjoy the Bible as mostly fiction, like Santa. For an interesting read than me try, ' The portable atheist ' by Hitchens.
zytigon 1 month ago
@zytigon Atheism is the extremely irrational faith in accidents to do what accidents can never do: create great order from scratch.
An atheist is one who unwittingly buys into a notion EXCEEDINGLY MORE ABSURD than the ridiculous idea of sandcastles eroding into existence. DNA dwarfs any sandcastle, yet you think it can be accidentally formed. That's worse than asserting that a sandcastle...ERODED INTO EXISTENCE. There is not even 1 single example to make that plausible. Atheism is irrational.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@AthosAmo do not get angry. this is true, but showing anger is simply godless and makes you in an even less position to judge him, a right which we do not even have in the first place. you are acting in anger, and though he does not believe he was not acting to try and take away our beliefs and enforce his upon us. he was being peaceful about his actions. anger will only push people away from Christ. show them true joy, show them what it means to have the holy spirit in your heart.
d3ltadrive 1 month ago
@d3ltadrive I do come off angry, but it's not against zytigon; it's against the lie he believes. I just am being blunt in saying that atheism is irrational, explaining how. My capital letters are for emphasis. I don't know how to use italics here, or if it can be done. Also, there is no way to make clear that atheism is irrational without potentially hurting an atheist's feelings. I did not call him irrational. What I targeted was the -ism, not the -ist. I can never be a politician. Too blunt.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
@mark224 I'm now glad that I heard all the various songs at church. You need to know the original in order to make & get jokes about it. There are so many ideas from the Bible spread throughout culture that it helps to get the big picture by reading Price's books. Bible is valueable early culture, a fascinating relic.I think the supernatural realm it talks of is a failed hypothesis.I kinda like to think that Jesus might return through the clouds on his sleigh to take us all to heaven.
zytigon 1 month ago
@zytigon I'm not going to read the boring books that you seemed to be obsessed with. I'd rather stab myself in the neck with a pencil. You atheists are worse than Bible thumpers.
mark224 1 month ago
@mark224
I'm an atheist, but hardly bitter. I can see the joy in many things, however, because I don't believe in this, it is hard to get through all the "Lords" "angels" and whatever else to see any real message.
Why do we celebrate Christmas? It was originally a roman holiday Saturnalia. The idea of being kind, celebrating with loved ones and partying came from there. It is hardly the actual birthday of Jesus. December is the rainy season in Jerusalem, so no shepherd would be outside
tomatodamashi 1 month ago
@tomatodamashi If you're atheist, why are you here? The same reason you're an atheist. Think about it.
leirbagpeter 1 month ago
@leirbagpeter
What do you mean? I've never seen this special before, I didn't realize Charlie Brown was so religious. Anyway, I was curious what they were going to say.
I'm an atheist because I have not been given any proof that a god or gods exist. The reason why I don't believe in your god(s) is the same reason why I don't believe in Zeus or Thor. I have an open mind, I think more so than most Christians, at least I am willing to question my beliefs. Can you say the same?
tomatodamashi 1 month ago
This is why Linus is my favourite :)
roosterheadedchicken 1 year ago
haha there is accually a church right down the road from my house and it says on the sign where u can find this in the bible and then it says thats what christmas is all about charlie brown
14newham 1 year ago
Those who get technical about the actual birthdate of the promised Messiah are people who don't understand what Linus was talking about. Only kids thinks a year is absolute 365 days a year.
PrintOfLife 1 year ago
christmas doesnt come from the store, it comes from your hearts and the warmth of knowing Jesus came to earth as a child to save us :)
x3SimplyEmily 1 year ago 18
@x3SimplyEmily What do you mean he, "come to earth as a child." Isn't everyone born as a child?
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
I love this one...
Erniethecatisawesom 1 year ago
in all its simplicity....yes....that IS what is all about.....
ldythang 1 year ago
@hopelesslyderanged
are you kidding? more than half the christains i talk to on youtube don't know that, you really overestimate people x.x
IzzyBunneh 1 year ago
Christian or not, this good man named Jesus Christ the Savior of the world brought the true meaning of why we are here on this earth to the world-that we can live again together in the next life as brothers and sisters. If you don't believe that, well someday I will tell you "I told you so".
johnmillecam 1 year ago
@johnmillecam Forsooth, someday you will be able to go nah nah nah to the damned souls burning eternally, what a pleasant thought.
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
@hopelesslyderanged I'm not Christian. ._.
ThatRhythmGuitarist 1 year ago
Is the network still showing Charlie Brown Christmas? We need a reminder everyday.
Christ is the center of this Season we call Christmas.
God bless
ArnoldsCreations 1 year ago
@ArnoldsCreations Christmas isn't a season... That would be winter. -_-
QuackenInsanity 1 month ago
lights please!!
TheWolverine00 1 year ago
What would be your response to alternate views on Christ that exist on other parts of the world?
ShahzadaKashif 1 year ago
I agree with Linus. Linus is so cute!
twin2ahwoo 1 year ago
EastNorthFire-- practicing Wiccan who wants to celebrate Christmas on the Winter Solstice, the so-called original Christmas. If you're so organic, maybe you should live in a cave like your ancestors originally did you freaking cultist!
bananamansouth 1 year ago
The people below me are more concerned about debating what Christmas is and trying to be right or make a statement, they totally miss, through all their seriousness, the Spirit of this Holiday. Relax y'all, enjoy your Family and Friends. Who really gives a crap about the rest.
bananamansouth 1 year ago
I am a practicing Wiccan and I celebrate YULE on the winter solstice.......the original Christmas! Do you wonder where your Christmas tree or Yule Log (cake) comes from? Ask us Pagans. Winter solstice is not something to be feared.....it is the celebration of the returning of the SUN........if you notice, on Dec 22nd the day is longer than it was on Dec 21st. I love this season.....for the wheel of life turns yet again.......we know spring is coming........and the Universe takes care of us all.
EastNorthFire 1 year ago
I think this is really cute and on the topic of Christmas well let's just say personally I don't know what to think anymore, it's just so much confusion & so much past, present & future information running around.. I think you really have to dig deep if it means that much to you, then make your choice to believe in what you think is right.
Peace, Love & Happiness :)
JCyN08 1 year ago
@Anondante If you are correct, then it should be called Solmas. Since it is known throughout the world as CHRISTmas, I'll just go on celebrating it as it is intended, the birth of Jesus Christ.
stanhilton58 1 year ago
@stanhilton58
Its called Christmas because when people first were becoming Christian they wanted to keep the holiday so they simply renamed it...
Its common sense.
Just google "Origins of Christmas".
Anondante 1 year ago
Linus says it best because it's directly from the Bible... AMEN!
momof2er 1 year ago
@Anondante umm Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. I'm sure you are commenting about a roman mythological "fact" or idea but it IS called mythology for a reason.
kornsux10 1 year ago
@kornsux10
Just google "Origins of christmas" you fool.
Anondante 1 year ago
@Anondante You are referring to "Dies Natalis Solis Invicti" which translates as "the birthday of the unconquered sun".
CHRISTmas, as the name implies, celebrating the birth of Christ, has been celebrated since the first century.Dies Natalis Solis Invinci, celebrates nothing and has only been around since the fourth century.
No matter how hard any of you left-wing, politically correct, gotta please everyone kooks try, you'll NEVER take CHRIST out of CHRISTMAS.
Nice try.
BuckWilliams17 1 year ago 3
@BuckWilliams17
Christmas was originally called Saturnalia which was a pagan festival. The reason it came to Christianity was because Pope Julius I wanted to convert the pagan Romans, who were the majority at the time, so he adopted the holiday and slapped on a new name and declared that December 25 is Jesus Christs birthday. Thats right this whole Christmas thing was created to convert a bunch of pagans.
If you don't believe me Google "Origins of Christmas".
Yes! Fear the truth!
Anondante 1 year ago
@Anondante um no. Saturnalia lasted a week before Christmas (from Dec 17-23), not even the traditions were similar(unless you count giving gifts and having a good time). Also, weird how Pope Julius made Christmas the 25th in 337 when both Julius Africanus and Hippolytus mention the birth of Christ as the 25th in 225, a hundred years earlier.
guido823 1 year ago
@guido823
If you are saying Jesus was born on the 25th of December then your whole argument goes out of the window because everyone knows that he wasn't even born close to that date.
If you don't believe me just Google Origins of Christmas and read what professionals have to say.
Btw Pope Julius ALTERED the original to make is Christian-friendly.
Point of Christmas = Convert a bunch of pagans.
Anondante 1 year ago
@Anondante
haha again you claim Pope Julius altered the original when I clearly stated that December 25th was the accepted date for the birth of Christ for over a hundred years prior to Julius becoming pope. Google "Julius Africianus" or "Hippolytus", they both stated the birth of Christ was on the 25th. saying "every knows he wasn't born then" is stupid when clearly the early Christian church DID believe that.
guido823 1 year ago