What's the meaning of Freewill? www.rameshbalsekar.com

[KrfNYC2]

@trakomako Oh.

[KrfNYC2]

@trakomako Sounds like Daosim (Taoism). Are you familiar?

[KrfNYC2]

@trakomako I meant no offense. I think that discussing the mysteries of the universe can be very interesting and stimulated...but I have come to a point where I've grown weary of the round about arguments. I try to be simple minded (not meaning ignorant but instead at peace).

[KrfNYC2]

@trakomako I think that some of these very intricate philisophical questins are not to be bothered with. I just try to be happy. Mainyl by saying, "fuck it."

[KrfNYC2]

@trakomako Interesting.

[jwklbm326]

As the nature of the doer is revealed or perceived in the person, such ideas as killing wouldn't arise. The nature is Love. The more one opens up to become as the creator, the more one becomes like the creator. Such conflict wouldn't arise.

[KrfNYC2]

I don't think that we have free will. I don't think that we control anything. But I ask...who, or what, ...does?

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 I don't believe in free will because I think that our actions are molded by our neurology and experiences...two things which we cannot control. For this reason I also don't believe in morally right or wrong...because how can you condemn or paraise someone for something which they cannot control?I came to this conclussion while wondering why people are different? Why do some people act one way, while others act another? But this forces me to wonder...who is in control.?

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 I still don't quite get it but maybe the following question will help me understand. You speak of finding out who one really is as if you have done it. So tell me...how have you done so?

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 I still don't quite get it but maybe the following question will help me understand. You speak of finding out who one really is as if you have done it. So tell me...how have you done so?

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 None of your comments make any sense to me. I'm not saying that your are speaking gibberish, but it's all starting to seound like self-righteous babble. What is your definition of self? let's start there.

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 I still don't quite understand. You speak of finding oneself as if you have done so. So tell me, how have you done so?

[Cheffy58]

where can I find the URL ? Anybody?

[calvin3005]

@Cheffy58 which URL?

[utubex03]

What he is saying is that all actions are spontaneous. The reason why 2 people react differently to the same situation is because of your conditioning and genes. Everything just happens.

[KrfNYC2]

@utubex03 Really? That is exactly how I feel. I thaught I was the only one. This is why I don't believe in right or worng. Only fortunate and unfortunate.

[prajna8]

There is absolutey no free will. If the supposed person in the body was actually real, then there would be free will. But there ain't such a person at all. The only solution is to find out who this supposed (presumed to be true or real without conclusive evidence)

person in the body is and if he/she really exists. Otherwise one will always be deluded into thinking that one has a separate individual existence as the body and is actually doing things.First find out who U really R.

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 I don't understand what you're saying.

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 I understand what you are saying about only being present in the waking an dream states, but I still don't get what you mean by "...and imagine you are actually the doer which is an illusion". If you are saying that we are not in control of our actions then I agree with you. I don't believe in free will, which is why I don't believe in ethics. So I understand why I think we don't control our actions, but I don't get why YOU do.

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 Oh, I think I udnerstand. Basically you are saying that since we do not control anything in our waking states, than who(or what)ever is in control is our true selves...is that correct? And I don't believe in ethically right or worng, but I do believe in fortunate and unfortunate. If someone murders an entire innocent family, I won't say that the murderer has done somethinig immoral, but I will say that an unfortunate action has took place and it saddens me.

[prajna8]

@KrfNYC2 Yes. Your mind/ego/body is not your true Self. Your being is your true Self. First U have to BE present for the body/mind to arise. That awareness/ being is what UR. Being is ignored because of the body/mind in the waking and dream states. But in deep sleep even though U R not aware of Being you enjoy its bliss which is not enjoyed during awake/dreaming. When you say I and me that refers to the ego/thought/body and not your Being. Being is pure awareness without the mind/ thoughts.

[prajna8]

@KrfNYC2 Your Being/Self is not separate from the pure Being/SELF of the murderer or a Sage. Only the mind divides and separates or imagines duality when there is actually none. The waking state is no different from the dream state while asleep. Both these states are in the mind and are mental creations and have no reality. They owe their existence to non enquiry. Enquiry puts an end to their imagined reality. Mind turned inward is pure Being, turned ouward makes the world appear to the mind.

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 That makes sense. I often struggle with the ego and cannot bring myself to believe that it is all there is. The ego seems to be the source of all sadness. But who knows for sure?

[KrfNYC2]

@prajna8 You lost me again. Are you saying as I am sitting here typing this comment, I am not really my true self?

[undefinedego]

can't understand what this retard is saying.

[shamash007]

which bit or the whole thing?

[D33veeoss]

"I wouldn't do that if I were you!"

If you were me, you'd be me and think like me and talk like me and DEFINITELY act like me.

If you were me you'd be here right now being told that if someone else were you, you wouldn't be doing that.

[D33veeoss]

'physical self' is simply the mud on a pane of glass. (bias, evironmental condition ie genetics, external output=your internal input. etc

Belief, opinion, preference etc.

Some are a mixture of blue green, red yellow, green yellow, every color etc

Once you wipe that off the window you know longer know where the window is. It's transparent.

So the difference between everyone become none.

It is not "you" who does anything.

Without our fickle differences, all are identical.

[gundabalf]

i can't understand what he is saying

[D33veeoss]

I wonder if that girl in the front row would sit like that without having seen someone do it first.

OR.

Can she list on her own merits the practical mechanics behind the reason?

And don't think I'm talking about her either you dumb fucks....

[SamuelSkelter]

This DVD is amazing.

[thepouchon]

therefore what is and what is not

trying to cleanse eternal dust

the lust might be just a part of us

I & I seen with like rastafari

For I is the bowss

within DA BOWSS

Don't get me wrong but in this sypher

I'm a still bust it like I was a bowss

potentiality of one's life exempt from any remorse

[thepouchon]

Some say that life is a stage

and we are just mere puppets

to be conscious of the strings,

would be nice for a puppet

annihilating his will in the sea of infinite masterdom

residing in the greater freedom

[swingtrade2]

if there is no seperation, there is no free will - just another idea. there is no causation becoause that would vioatle the spacetime. ask, WAHT AM I? and never a response. never a response becasue I AM prior to conceptualization. therefore I am not object . I AM the powerless witnessing of the manifestation. in reality all verbs are nouns.

if no seperation, then there is no individual and therefore no one has ever written a book, nor done any deed.

[Cootabux]

This was interesting but it still doesn't answer the question of whether we have free will or not. Do we have total free will?

Genes & conditioning. Are there other factors involved in a choice of picking up a gin or not? I think so.

Much to think about.

[prajna8]

Just knowing one has no free will or one is not the doer is not enough. Will that knowledge make you worry free or happy? One has to realize one's own Self like Ramana Maharshi did, which Ramesh himself was unable to do. So how can Ramesh set you free? It is just the case of the blind (Ramesh) leading the blind (his disciples) into a ditch. Without Self Realization all this Ramesh's talks are just entertainment.

[jpandyaraja]

does Ramesh still sexually molest women ?

[s2cardinal]

Who is doing the questioning of "does this philosophy make murder, violence, disease, hatred, any less painful?"

Answer that question and you'll know whether its right or not.

Is it not the ego that is questioning? What you are cannot be hurt nor anyone else ever be hurt when they truly know what and who they REALLY are. Being cannot be hurt. Ego can feel trampled on and it can trample others. Being does not play such games.

[guruscomeinallraces]

Pardon me, God is forcing me to write this right now; or rather, God is writing right now. TAKE HEED, GOD IS SPEAKING. Just kidding. But so goes the argument. I don't have a problem with it. Honestly, I think it is compelling, not to mention grounded pretty deeply in traditional philosophy. But, still, we have barely looked at the implications of it. My question is this: does this philosophy make murder, violence, disease, hatred, any less painful? God's will or none, Job still hurts.

[calvin3005]

in my experience, this teaching doesn't necessarily make these things less painful.....

but what may lessen is the SUFFERING that comes with the pains of life, and the sense that these things SHOULDN'T be happening...as they're increasingly felt to be part of a larger functioning.

just my experience

[SamuelSkelter]

But who's the sufferer? There's no sufferer cos everything that happens is due to karma. Nothing will happen if not to happen. Whatever happens is justice. The fault is of the sufferer. Whilst identifying himself as a victim, i.e., not aware of his past accounts, he suffers. If he understand this simple point - the fault is of the sufferer -, liberation will be at his hands. God & Nature's Law are perfect, the 'problem' lies in such misinterpretation of the events. Best free will = acceptance.

[D33veeoss]

@SamuelSkelter

That's a fucking horrible thing to say to a kid who got hurt you.

And if you're going to tell me "it's a past life" then I'll ask proof. If you're not clear on the proof, then you should be happy to lend me 250 000. I'l pay it back. I promise.

(If you want to postulate that even 3 yr olds have a vested share in the attributes of the world because we are all linked...and we are all one THAT might be someone science can actually endorse on a level. ]

[SamuelSkelter]

@D33veeoss

You have already the proof if you have faith, if you're sure that God is Love, all merciful, all compassionate, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, with absolute control of all, with a perfect law of cause and effect, the perfection beyond imagination, who would never let anything undeserved happen to someone.

I have no money cos I'm a renouncer, but If I had that amount I would send a little to you if you were a needy person, of course, and you wouldn't have to pay it back.

[SamuelSkelter]

But I would have many priorities to do with it before, of course. And you can work, can't you?

And I didn't understand what you meant by that about a kid hurting me (?) and a 3 years old one (?), but, although we're one in essence, each one is responsible for his own actions. And Advaita (Non-Duality) is not to be taught to children. To them we should foster that faith in God and a willingness to live according to His Will. "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it."

[D33veeoss]

I'll just deal with your last sentence as that's the one I'm most clear on. Faith. love, "God". 5 year old sufferers getting hurt , God's wilingness, Gods ______, your unwillingness to sort me 250 000 but then your glad acceptance of a past life, (where the 5 year old "suffererd" earned his/her current state of uncomfortable pain.)

I disagree with most and have proven the rest unclear. At best.

[D33veeoss]

So let me address youlast sentence.

"Milk you can handle, food you would have choked upon."

If there is a difference in information between milk and food, then milk is not information, the food is.

What is not information is mis-information and does not, cannot exist. It is literal 'unreality'.

Lying to children is a bad idea, to my way of thinking.

Do you tell your wife or husband that your son/daugher has died today over the course of 10 years?

Solid only.

Not both please.

[PurePower025]

Free will is the power of living out a

choice(s) that the material world does not offer.

Jesus Christ walking on water was his free will to do so. The physics of this world does not allow that, but JChrist has free will to do it, his will is greater than the will of physics of this world.

Free Will therefore is power to inact your decision without outside influences destroying it.

[meriprem]

of course, koanflyer, unless we are enlightened ourselves, we see others through our own conditioning of mind.

[benjaminbrame]

Ramesh is answer

God is the cause

[NarMeOrMore]

I am familiar with wei wu and non-doership though I am not sure if I get Ramesh's point. First of all he says that we are not responsible for our actions, therefore we should not feel guilt or shame arising from them, but at the same time we should live our lives as though we have free will. This sounds contradictory and a paradox. Can anyone please clarify it further without resorting to an intellectual tautology or speaking in new age spiritual mumbo jumbo, cheers from a sincere seeker.

[Valerian1]

We do the best we can with what is available to us. As we develop and learn, we try harder and do better. Guilt and shame are illogical and unproductive. Why dwell on past errors or identify ourselves with them? We move on and take responsibility for the present moment, without credit for being more than we are, or blame for being less; we are simply what we are, and are responsible only to that. I hope this is not too New Age for you. I dont know how else to say it. Love

[adiklaus]

Ramesh is approaching free will from two angles, the relative which is governed by cause and effect and the absolute which has no cause and no effect. From the latter point of view nothing can be done because the block of creation is complete, the movie just unrolls and you are the actor following the script, from the relative point you think as a person that you can influence a future outcome by choice. Asking who is the the doer will move the angle from the relative to the absolute.

[hvncb]

like art where the ugly is the beautiful, contradictory, no?..look, the mind is no good for philosophy, cannot figure anything out EXCEPT unliess you take it as a BS game, then it's great!

[charlesdavidhayes]

Ramesh is spot on. Dont confuse the pointer with That which the pointer is pointing TO ... your True Nature of Timeless being-Awareness. Simplicity Itself.

[MGMonasterio]

You can be "at the feet" of a master, like a dog. That does not transform you neccesarily into a Master yourself, Isn't it? Completeness is complete.There is no need to talk to these foreigners but to nourish your ego. A lot of bobine excreta, better to go to Silence.

[koanflyer]

I believe that this man has much ego

[11889music]

im not sure if he has ego, but i dont understand his view on fate and destiny.

[pixiepoxie]

Fantastic.

[jesuisravi]

Wouldn't your action subsequent to accepting or seeing that things just happen and there is no doer--any action--be dependent --not on genes and conditioning--but on whether it happens or not?

[Kannan000]

There is intellectual acceptance after which the genes and conditoning are still in charge, but the social conditioning of effort, guilt, and shame are no longer influencing you. Slowly your spirit starts flowing through you and eventually it is the spontaneous expression of the spirit. Neither the genes and conditioning nor the spirit would "take a machine gun and kill 20 people." A person relaxed in to these layers is less capable of conflict and aggression? More capable of harmony?

[jodesai]

Thanks a lot for sharing the Truth with us on the net

[nil0124]

Thank you so much for posting this video. I love Ramesh's teachings. It's so nice to hear them from his voice and his cute Hindu accent! :)