Friedrich Nietzsche: Prophet of National Socialism

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

As far as how he felt about dictatorships-- you've got to be kidding me! Seriously. Do you think all his talk about "philosophizing with a hammer" was just aesthetics?

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

But Nietzsche vehemently rejects Enlightenment notions. Look at who he spends his time mocking-- Kant, Mill, and most liberal-minded English sensibilities. That's a common strand throughout his thinking. He rejects the basis of liberalism just as elements of German National Socialism did. The whole reason he tears down Christianity is that he wants to erect a new Roman type of imperium in the future. That's hardly some liberal-minded sensibility.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

He praised Caesar as well and condemned democracy and socialism. The vast bulk of his philosophy is about championing the heroic military spirit which one could argue National Socialism embodied. Martial societies are not Enlightenment societies. Does that mean Nietzsche would have approved of National Socialism? I think that's difficult to say given how particular he was about every subject and how little he concerned himself with grounded politics over deep philosophical points.

[mrfilmnoir68]

Another point to remember is that once Nietzsche fell ill, his sister (an early supporter of National Socialism as well as anti-semite) assumed control over all of his works. She and her husband(also a rabid anti-semite) re-published many of his writings and took many of his key points out of context and flat out changed others to make it appear that he was a supporter of the political agenda that they were in favor of. He was not!!!

[mrfilmnoir68]

Friedrich Nietzsche's writings were twisted by nazi "intellectuals" to suit thier own agenda. Nietzsche was in no way,shape or form a supporter of National Socialism. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously has either never read Nietzsche or has no concept/understanding of what he was saying.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@mrfilmnoir68

You don't know whether Nietzsche would have supported National Socialism anymore than the next guy. He didn't have a stomach for anti-Semiticism but he was hardly some modern liberal type who thought all races and cultures should integrate.

[mrfilmnoir68]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo Obviously you have never really read(or dident really understand) Nietzsche. He WOULD NOT in any way, shape or form have supported anything as blindly stupid as National Socialism.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@mrfilmnoir68

What is it that I don't understand about Nietzsche that's so obvious? You talk pretty big, but you really don't offer any substance for your views. You seem to think adding the word "obviously" will make your post seem convincing. So pray tell, how do you know how Nietzsche would have felt about National Socialism? You're making the positive claim, not me. So the burden of proof is on you to explain how you can know such a thing.

[mrfilmnoir68]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo "In individuals, insanity is rare. In groups, partys and DICTATORSHIPS it is the rule".- Friedrich Nietzsche Sound like a supporter of National Socialism to you? That is just one quote and viewpoint of his out of many!

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@mrfilmnoir68

You're seeing what you want to see there like so many other humanoids that hunt and paste. It's particularly telling that you lift a single line out from his work to try to justify your interpretation of what his stance would be on an entire country as it existed for over a decade. It's very difficult to know how Nietzsche would have felt about any specific political regime from his philosophy. He also praised Napoleon, a dictator if there ever was one.

[mrfilmnoir68]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo That was mearly one quote of Nietzsche's out of many. You are correct in saying that i dont know for a fact if he would have supported National Socialism or not(But im willing to bet money that he would not have!). Nietzsche was known for making many statements of a contradictary nature.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@mrfilmnoir68

You still haven't addressed my point about Nietzsche's championing of the martial spirit and many rulers that present democratic plebiscite societies like our own would no doubt find distasteful. But I got what I wanted out of you. An admission that you can't back up your claim.

[mrfilmnoir68]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo Look...we could argue/debate the context of Friedrich Nietzsche's writings for YEARS and still not come to an agreement over his core meaning on certain topics. Ive been reading Nietzsche since 1983 over and over again(all of his works)and have studyed his works on a college level. Its easy and common to take something out of context and twist it to suit one's own agenda. In the case of Nietzsche, its VERY easy to do that based on the contradictary nature of lots of his work.

[mrfilmnoir68]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo But i personally never found or saw anything in his work that i interperted as an endorsement for something like National Socialism. The martial spirit was spoken about MANY times by him in MANY different ways. Again, with Nietzsche, the context was always debatable.

[mrfilmnoir68]

@Icecreamforcrowtoo When it comes to taking Nietzsche out of context, the nazis PERFECTED that to a tee!!!

[SweeneyAgonistes]

@mrfilmnoir68 The quote which you're referencing in the original is: "Der Irrsinn ist bei Einzelnen etwas Seltenes, — aber bei Gruppen, Parteien, Völkern, Zeiten die Regel."

None of those words translate as "dictatorship." 

[mrfilmnoir68]

@SweeneyAgonistes Take that up with Walter Kaufmann. He translated most of Nietzsche's works into English. Again, as with most of Nietzsche's writings, everything is open to individual interpertation. But what free thinker(which Nietzsche was)would have supported ANY form of dictatorship???

[SweeneyAgonistes]

@mrfilmnoir68 Actually, Anthony Ludovici and Oscar Levy translated Nietzsche into English before Kaufmann. The fact that you continue to cite the hack Kaufmann as a reliable Nietzsche scholar speaks volumes about your competence in this field. More recent scholarship has demonstrated that Kaufmann did indeed whitewash many aspects of Nietzsche's thought, especially his politics, in order to make him more palatable to a post-WW2 audience.

[SweeneyAgonistes]

@mrfilmnoir68 And Nietzsche supported the dictatorship of an elite, an aristocracy, over the masses. He supported free thought *only* for that elite, not for everybody. That's what idiots like you who don't read him carefully miss.

[mrfilmnoir68]

@SweeneyAgonistes Only white trailer trash skinhead types straight out of prison seem to think that Nietzsche supported racism or a dictatorship. NO HE DID NOT!!!

[Zonnewende88]

@mrfilmnoir68 You are an utter idiot to state Nietzsche didn t believe in the principle of the "Ubermensch". He was at the cradle of it, along with some of the leading eugenic scientist that came after him.

Nietzsche laid out a path for eugenics (early 1900's) to come in from a racial point of view. The fact is, since 1994 and the progress on genetics this "taboo" on racial differences has become an area of interest for science.

Genetics will prove Nietzches theory eventually.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@mrfilmnoir68

"Racism"?! That word didn't even exist in Nietzsche's day because it was taken as a given that everyone was "racist." Even his screeds against "anti-semiticism" are taken out of context. He didn't like Germans beating up on Jews like petty little haters. But today, his very philosophy would be considered anti-semitic. Have you not read The Genealogy of Morals? Because in Nietzsche's day, an "anti-semite" was someone who didn't like Jews; now it means someone the Jews don't like.

[SmippeHyrst]

@mrfilmnoir68 "In individuals, insanity is rare. In groups, partys and DICTATORSHIPS it is the rule" I don't think that was necessarily an endorsement of democracy. I think Nietzsche's understanding was that society needs dictatorship over the masses, but greater freedom for its higher men. In his eyes democracy was not suited to breeding the 'ubermensch', since it allows a proliferation of mediocrity in all spheres of human endeavour, especially art and philosophy.

[mrfilmnoir68]

@SmippeHyrst But he also made referrence to who exactly the "higher man" is and who is qualified to declare themselves "higher men".

[adrenacrumb]

Was a good visual video but you are full of shit, maybe read Ecce Homo where he directly criticizes German nationalism and anti-semitism.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@adrenacrumb

Doe he criticize those ideas on the same grounds as you would, though? No, he doesn't. He was not a modern liberal type as you no doubt are like the rest of the world outside that "goes with the flow." Can your mind discern so much that there is a such thing as being on the same "side" for differing reasons?

[sledgeij]

So what's the fuss about? National Socialism is/was natural Nietzschean hierarchy as any other type of political system - altough philosophically speaking it did try to eradicate slave morality (which is impossible). His grudge against anti-semites is the reason that anti-semites usually just tend to whine about Jews instead of simply killing them and driving them out - as they should be doing.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@sledgeij

Uh, the Nazis did try to drive them out. They had to contend with "the Allies," though. But I agree with the sentiments you express.

[SmippeHyrst]

Could anyone who understands German tell me what that German narrator is talking about?

[2daewoo4u]

Probably beating a dead horse here, but you DO know that Nietzsche abhorred national socialism and antisemitism, right?

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@tylerbugh1

Well, yes. That is all true. Your use of the word "racist" raised a red flag in my mind. But I don't dispute your last response at all.

[tylerbugh1]

he realized that different races and peoples had found their own moralities which had allowed them to survive and strive for power through the ages, and he felt that it was foolishness for any religion or state to try to centralize the moralities of humanity into one all-inclusive morality, so he definitely saw and respected the complete differences between cultures and races, so in this respect you could say he was racist, but he never put one race as the highest race above all others.

[tylerbugh1]

im definitely not saying he was 'color blind' in any way, or that he believed in one unified race, but he was definitely not a white supremacist, he spoke dearly of the arabs who fought the caucasians in the crusades, and he also spoke dearly of japanese warriors and other races as ive mentioned. no white supremacist or even what we, today, call racist would ever say these things....one of the last things he ever wrote before going completely insane was 'i shall have every anti-semite shot!'

[ScornMalcontent666]

hey where did u get the pictures

[tylerbugh1]

He was also not rascist, though he did think geneaology and heredity played an integral part in who ppl are. he talked about not only the old germanic tribes of blonde beasts but in other works he talks about the tribes and armies of "blonde beasts" in arabia, scandinavia, africa, and even japan....he is obviously refering to the lion as the supreme predator and master of impulse.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@tylerbugh1

Oh, well thank God he wasn't a "racist." The ridiculous Trotskyite term didn't even exist during his life. If you asked any great thinker that existed before the 20th century if they were "racist," they'd give you a blank incredulous stare. "Racism" in Nietzsche's day was taken as a given. It was a given that people preferred their own. There was no shaming Europeans in order to shake them down in his day. There was no feeling of "there is only one race, the human race."

[tylerbugh1]

nietszche was an anarchist in todays sense of the word. he was for the utter abolition of the state. when he opposed anarchists he meant social anarchists who were the prominent anarchists of that time (with stirner as an exception) and who , in his opinion, repressed the natural hierarchy of peoples. Anybody who reads the new idol chapter of thus spoke zarathustra knows this is true.

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@tylerbugh1

In fact, that sentiment comes from the very morality he devotes his life to denouncing--Christianity. He's not just against Christianity for shock value like the New Atheists of today. So keep telling yourself he wasn't "racist," if that makes you feel better. But his writings obviously imply that he'd be at odds with today's conception of race (doesn't exist/social construct/doesn't matter) just like any other sane person. We live in an insane age.

[Haasenpad]

Nietsche's insight into nature and man.... It was phenominal! But nazis stole his message... A true uebermensch should be an inspiration to all men because of his gnosis, his experience, his SHARING! to: all men, and women, whatever race! It is the true ARIAN that Michael Tsarion also talks about!

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@Haasenpad

It is completely disingenuous on your part to put a humanist spin on Nietzsche's concepts. Nietzsche's philosophy is inherently hierarchical and yes, that has implications concerning race that would make someone of your sensibilities probably wet themselves with terror even if the exact parameters of his thoughts on race in a political sense are not too clear. He embodied none of the modernist sentimentality present within your post. He fought against it and for good reason!

[camelorwell]

hitler wasn't worthy to even suck Nietzsche's dick...

[LederhosenJohnny80]

Und ich dachte immer Hitler hat sich an Machiavelli ergötzt !

[Bleakunending]

I second Dreamer00Jk's question. I like your taste in music, I must admit. I never bothered with what I heard as being 'Martial Industrial/Neofolk' after listening to a Polish band called Krepulec...I think that's what they are called..what a mistake I made.

[HourOfDecision777]

@Bleakunending "Der Gott der Eisen wachsen ließ III" by Der Blutharsch (featured on the album ('The Moment Of Truth")

[Dreamer00JK]

What is the name of the song?

[HourOfDecision777]

@Dreamer00JK "Der Gott der Eisen wachsen ließ III" by Der Blutharsch (featured on the album ('The Moment Of Truth")

[greenghost2008]

@HourOfDecision777 Its so hard to find their music.

[Cyclonus21]

@DanielLane1000 Idk about the Nazi party being Socialist. Maybe in the beginning most defiantly, but after Night of the Long Knives all Socialist aspects were lost as Hitler went in favor for big business. The SA were nicknamed "beef steaks" for being brown on the outside and red on the inside. They were mostly former soldiers and lower working class while the SS were upper middle class and businessmen. In fact the Nazi party split with "Strasserism" which focused more on the socialist aspect.

[Cyclonus21]

@DanielLane1000 Bro either you're trolling or just really misinformed. Jesus was a socialist if anything and he preached of loving all walks of life. As far as Nazism stemming from the Thule society? It did Anton Drexler was a member of it and he was also the founder of the Nazi Party.

[LittleSn00py]

Who is talking in the video?

[LaneDeath]

I see a lot of people here saying that Nietzche did not influence National Socialism. Clearly Nietzche did have some influence on National Socialism or else Hitler would have not bothered to praise Nietzche. The thing people need to understand is that Nietzche was one of many people who influenced National Socialism. Nietzche does not make the whole of National Socialist ideology, his ideas were MIXED with the ideas of others, and that is how you get National Socialism.

[Zalmoxis1000]

No, the insane Nietzche did not influence National Socialism. I agree with that. That's because National Socialism was a Holy Christian and Spiritual movement. ;)

[Cyclonus21]

@Zalmoxis1000 Really? I thought it was apart of the occult Thule Society.

[RakanManson]

Anyone who thinks Nietzsche inspired National Socialism DOES NOT understand Nietzsche's philosophy at all. Simple as that.

[pulsatingremedy]

Nietzsche was against antisemitism. Nietzsche would hate the Nazis because of their group-mentality (they are considered untermenschen by Nietzsche).

[Boromir26]

@pulsatingremedy if you believe this then you know little about nietzsche! he has explicit antisemitic thoughts and quotes!!! he considered jews to have one of the most clearly distinguishable slave mentalities! and nazis, meaning nazi leaders didn't have a a group mentality at all, on the contrary if you get to know their characters you'd see that each one of them tried to outdo and out smart the other one and they all had plans of their own, the boldest of which was himmler, with the black sun

[pulsatingremedy]

@Boromir26

You do NOT understand Nietzsche. Some out of context quotes do not make someone an antisemite. What does make someone an antisemite is long term anti-semitic actions. But Nietzsche broke his relations with several people because they were antisemitic, this includes Wagner and his own editor.

Nazi's did have a group mentality. It was all basically shut up and listen to the person above you in the hierarchy. Nietzsche expressed his thoughts on such group mentality: untermenschen.

[fsufan850]

The only thing you can blame Nietzsche for is saying the same thing many Europeans said before him. That is that they romanticized a Unified Europe. Hitler was only trying to do the same thing that Napoleon tried before him. Napoleon only trying to emulate Romans before him.

That is to say if you disagree with these ideas, and is to say that you disagree with most modern Europeans who have Unified peacefully. As for holocaust, well Hitler was a politician and Jews were politically solvent then.

[grisflyt]

Hitler and Nazism were Nietzsche's nightmares, not ideals. N told Gersdorff that we must live, but we must not live for our own sake. N served as a medic in the Franco-Prussian War.

Lots of dictators were influenced by Machiavelli. But the relation between N and Hitler is between N's sister and Hitler. Hitler preferred Bruckner to Wagner. While Wagner was something of the soundtrack of the Nazis, Wagner's operas were about the end of traditions and morality, the Nazis were for those things.

[o0oKilluminatio0o]

02:13..That is a masonic gesture ! What the hell. Puts me right off !

[NeonSwastika]

Where did you get the picture 0:33 ?

[HourOfDecision777]

@NeonSwastika Made the video years ago, so I can't remember where online I found the drawing.

I can give you some info on it however. The artist is "Anonymous" and was a bookplate for Georg Lapper (ca. 1900).

I got the info on the drawing from the excellent book "The Nietzsche Legacy in Germany 1890-1990" by Steven E. Aschheim.

[NeonSwastika]

@HourOfDecision777

Thanks for the help, friend.

[djoh1186]

@HourOfDecision777 Nietzche was utterly opposed to socialism. To paraphrase, Nietzche was adamant that socialism kills human energy and creativity.

As for influencing The Third Reich, I'll think you'll find that was Adolf Hitler. He was a fan of Nietzche's works but nowhere in Nietzche's writings did he encourage the slaughtering of 6 million Jews.

Saying Nietzche was responsible for The Third Reich is like saying Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is responsible for gang violence in Los Angeles

[Icecreamforcrowtoo]

@djoh1186

You're being silly. I don't know whether or not Nietzsche would have approved of German National Socialism, but for you to act as though that brand of socialism is the same as say...Bolshevik socialism (which Nietzsche did criticize) is ridiculous. One is obsessed with creating the "perfect state" while German national socialism was simply based on using the government to strengthen German culture irrespective of egalitarian considerations (which Hitler opposed as did Nietzsche).

[ForImperium]

Without God man is nothing.

Nietzsche sentiments in declaring the death of God was not one of celebration, quite the opposite, it was he lamented the shift of the West. Secularism, Atheism rather has brought to mankind, the entire slate of awareness to be swept away. To replace it with what? One must ask.

Today, our God is nothing, we believe in everything yet nothing. We have no culture, we have no identity, no history. Hence I reiterate, without God we are nothing.

[thespacialone]

@ForImperium God the Father was patriarchy. It was, I suspect, His (italics) passing which Nietzsche lamented, knowingly or otherwise.

Acceptance of secularism and atheism, both unsound and destructive narratives, are symptoms of biological degeneration, not its drivers. The only thing which can arrest and reverse this trend, re-establishing our grand course of history which is evolution toward the higher man, is the rebirth of nobility.

Without the Patriarch we are nothing. Honour Him.

[ForImperium]

True, they are symptoms perhaps of an overall moral collapse but one could argue man turning his back on God was the catalyst for the lack of morality.

I understand the sentiment that perhaps the rebirth of nobility would restore society, but one would reason that a grassroots, bottom up approach would be better, view my video on my channel regarding the 'The Restoration of France'. Basically a disciplined Nationalist approach, a volk united and advancing towards a greater will.

[thespacialone]

@ForImperium Man (Aryan man) turning from God and being expelled from paradise was brought about by his racial adultery. God, as Patriarch, can only nurture those who submit to His divine will, which is lived through the blood of the Aryan people. Here the German Fuhrer explains. As all our great sages have known, the real greatest threat to our hegemony is posed from within.

/watch?v=m4trUdPUO_8&feature=r­elated

Thanks, I will watch your video and let you know what I think

[ForImperium]

I touch on this point briefly in my videos, in the concise sentiment "make war by making love". Having as many indigenous European children encourages the preservation of our respective heritage and culture, although we belong to different peoples we share the same interests, ie a united European people.

You're quite right, the people of today have lost their way, only by restoring our people can we begin to walk the path so to speak. I shall publish some more videos soon addressing key points.

[Bleakunending]

@ForImperium Aleksandr Dugin talks about this, you can find the video in a Youtube search 'absolute Satanism'. It seems the goal of our current paradigm is...nothingness. total destruction.