An interesting note to consider Gyunei Guss the Cyber-newtype from Char's Counterattack was originally slated to be Kamille in the initial draft. However Tomino scraped the idea for some reason. It would have been interesting to see Kamille side with Char and fight Amuro.
This provides a clear cut reason as to why Char does what he does in the movie. A shame that they cut the idea of Kamille appearing on Char's Counterattack on Char's side.
Did they ever make a clip where Amuro confronts his issue with returning into space? I know they mentioned his return to space in ZZ, but never really show how he dealt with his inner turmoil. Anyway this was a really good explanation for Char's return he such a great character. What I really would've liked to see in ZZ would be Haman vs Amuro that'd be a badass fight
"Kamille! Mankind, whose soul remains bound by Earth's gravity, will always end up crushing any kind of hope, no matter what it is. It will end up being a tradedy that will never end. Since it's like that... Before, mankind had to endure much stronger G-Forces in order to get in space. But they accepted the price since they had the conviction that space was the promised land. They told themselves that it'd be better than to hate the terran elite that banned them in space. [continues]
And when mankind finally freed itself from gravity, it discovered new senses. Which lead to the next stage of humanity, Newtypes. In other words, [they were right]: their promised land really was amongst the stars.
Kamille: I understand. I too will try to find my promised land."
After this, the Neo Zeon started their invasion of Earth and rushed into war called The First Neo Zeon war (Haman's War) against the AEUG. The AEUG was victorious thanks to the appearance of new Newtypes. Haman Karn killed in action.
The last descendant of the Zabi Dynasty, Mineva Zabi, is replaced by a double and disappeared without leaving a trace. Char Aznable became the supreme commander of Neo Zeon. He suggests an attack against the Earth Federation. Rushing into battle again, this would be known as the "Second Neo Zeon War".
Anyone know exactly what Char was saying about Kamille? I'm sure he was shocked that Kamille had gotten mindraped, but I'm just wondering if he mentioned anything else about him. Makes me wonder though, if Kamille had made it out ok after Z Gundam or decided to fight again after ZZ Gundam, whose side he would have sympathized with? Amuro or Char?
@lemmehaviet He probably could have he was an incredible new type. I have not heard or read anything about kamille becoming a doctor but it would not surprise me he was a smart kid.
@Luigi84289 Kamille's newtype powers didn't go anywhere. If anything his powers got stronger after Scirocco's attack. It's also heavily implied that Kamille recovers fully from it in ZZ Gundam. Also the Moon Crisis side story is where he becomes a doctor but I'm not sure if it's canon because it conflicts with Unicorn.
This is one of the most pivotal and rare Gundam scenes that not many fans have seen. It sheds some light as to Char's whereabouts and his decisions for his future actions.
The voice actor also did a wonderful job here to convey Char's grim determination.
Yeah After killing all of her other family members he doesn't kill minerva since she is a loli and char is a lolicon for 1. He also doesn't kill her since she is a child who really innocent, and killing and innocent child would be pointless.
He could never have a reason to kill her, She wasn't even born when his vendetta against the Zabi's started a he knows Haman was just using her. And don't forget he used tp play with Mineva as a child.
@Duoearth Here's my advice. buy the original PS1 Z gundam game and once you brought the game either online like eBay or God know's where put the Z Gundam PS1 game cd with the Char storyline on your computer and simply play it like an ordinary CD you'll find the track your looking for at the very last track. Once you find it you can rip it off like any other CD. well anyway thats how I got mine as well and since there's no title to it for that matter I just named it Remininces. Well Good luck!
She reappears and plays a major role in Gundam Unicorn... and some of Char rubbed off on her, what with the way she conceals her identity (and not that terribly well, either) :P
Char's world is one in which we all would like to live. A world without war, or sadness.... a world where people are more than just the sum of thier skills.
But Char admits that his reasoning is very flimsy.
In fact, the only solid reasoning that Char wanted to fight Amuro again - and the explanation for that is some serious character regression. They both got over Lalah in Zeta...
...but Char still obscesses over her after letting her go in Zeta.
Thing is... he doesn't see his actions as evil... ultimately a matter of prospective... from the OYW (he was only in it to get his revenge on the Zabis) and the AEUG (he didn't like the titans; and yet tried to promote his views) then finally to CCA where he tried to actively acheive them...
Ultimately History (in the UC world) would see him as a villain; having lost. But he tried making things better...in his own way.
And as Amuro mentioned, he had an ego. Char was always thinking that what he, himself was doing is for the greater good, never taking the time to consider things from another point of view. Indeed, this is THE mindset for evil. Afterall, just how many people are those stereotypical psychopaths that actually enjoy watching people suffer?
@ciprianobabula Kamille was supposed to be a leader whom would send humanity to the stars after he went braindead Char hid away waiting for the fighting to cease and a victor to be declared then rose to power and did the only thing he felt would save his people from the Earth's Tyranny. It was like when the US nuked Japan they felt they had to do it.
Char did seem to have some notion of the morality of his actions from a greater perspective. He seemed to actively try to save Mineva Zabi as a measure of making amends for his actions during the war. And in CCA, he openly acknowledges that his intentions are evil and his rationalizations are weak.
Look at Char tho....he's pissed that Kamille has been mind wiped and blames the whole fighting on the pollution of the earth. I feel for Char.....I mean his intentions are noble but sanitywise...he's a loon. At least we know that Mineva is ok....and that Char is becoming who he was born to be....dropping the whole mask act.
@ndalum75 Char was biding his time. He did not care who won after the Titans were defeated. All he cared about was lifting the remaining population of Earth off into space.
Interesting. I wish it was subtitled so I could know what the text says. Also, maybe they'll one day say what happened to Char and Amuro during the ZZ Gundam timeline...
But that was after the ZZ timeline. We know what Amaro was doing though. He was still on earth with Karaba fighting in his own Zeta Gundam with the A marking on it. Green Diver tells us Amaro's storyline. Char is the only one you dont know much about between his apparent death (again) at the end of Zeta Gundam and Char's Counterattack.
An interesting note to consider Gyunei Guss the Cyber-newtype from Char's Counterattack was originally slated to be Kamille in the initial draft. However Tomino scraped the idea for some reason. It would have been interesting to see Kamille side with Char and fight Amuro.
Comangeit 1 week ago
Moon Crisis is not canon.
MazokuJun 3 weeks ago
Great now he goes crazy and tries to drop a rock.
darksword101 3 months ago 2
Is the music playing during Char's initial monologue part of the Zeta Gundam OST?
ZippoKoal 8 months ago
are there any subtitled versions of this video?
Kenta455 10 months ago
I was wondering if Full Frontal from Unicorn is following a plan Char setup for after his death?
bluedeath911 11 months ago
@bluedeath911
Nope. If you want more info/spoilers contact me.
3TimesFaster 11 months ago
someone can give me upload the musik after this scene was credits rool?
that was nice music i want it please i can't search anywhere:(
dikosaken12 1 year ago
Who is this Jion and why are those guys calling him a geek?
I thought this was about Gundam!
RamzaSilverburg 1 year ago
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GetterRay 1 year ago
This provides a clear cut reason as to why Char does what he does in the movie. A shame that they cut the idea of Kamille appearing on Char's Counterattack on Char's side.
nepomusik 1 year ago
how come SRW Z doesnt have any video in it ?
ze000ez 1 year ago
Did they ever make a clip where Amuro confronts his issue with returning into space? I know they mentioned his return to space in ZZ, but never really show how he dealt with his inner turmoil. Anyway this was a really good explanation for Char's return he such a great character. What I really would've liked to see in ZZ would be Haman vs Amuro that'd be a badass fight
hindalo05 1 year ago
"Kamille! Mankind, whose soul remains bound by Earth's gravity, will always end up crushing any kind of hope, no matter what it is. It will end up being a tradedy that will never end. Since it's like that... Before, mankind had to endure much stronger G-Forces in order to get in space. But they accepted the price since they had the conviction that space was the promised land. They told themselves that it'd be better than to hate the terran elite that banned them in space. [continues]
TheOrkutGuy 1 year ago 3
And when mankind finally freed itself from gravity, it discovered new senses. Which lead to the next stage of humanity, Newtypes. In other words, [they were right]: their promised land really was amongst the stars.
Kamille: I understand. I too will try to find my promised land."
TheOrkutGuy 1 year ago 3
After this, the Neo Zeon started their invasion of Earth and rushed into war called The First Neo Zeon war (Haman's War) against the AEUG. The AEUG was victorious thanks to the appearance of new Newtypes. Haman Karn killed in action.
TheOrkutGuy 1 year ago
The last descendant of the Zabi Dynasty, Mineva Zabi, is replaced by a double and disappeared without leaving a trace. Char Aznable became the supreme commander of Neo Zeon. He suggests an attack against the Earth Federation. Rushing into battle again, this would be known as the "Second Neo Zeon War".
(Axis War, Char's Counterattack)
TheOrkutGuy 1 year ago
I don't suppose there's a translated version of this anywhere?
starschwar 1 year ago
I wish we could get gundam games with nice animated cutscenes like this here.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
1:22
Knowing Char's taste in women, this will not end well.
Mongler37 2 years ago
@Mongler37: LOL!
Knyte77 11 months ago
Anyone know exactly what Char was saying about Kamille? I'm sure he was shocked that Kamille had gotten mindraped, but I'm just wondering if he mentioned anything else about him. Makes me wonder though, if Kamille had made it out ok after Z Gundam or decided to fight again after ZZ Gundam, whose side he would have sympathized with? Amuro or Char?
SolidThugKnuckles 2 years ago
Kamille's mind recoverd in ZZ Gundam but he did not pilot anything.
lemmehaviet 1 year ago
@lemmehaviet Scirocco permanently damaged his consciousness. His new type abilities were gone forever otherwise he would be fighting in 0092.
Luigi84289 2 months ago
@Luigi84289 He was a doctor in 0092 I believe. Can scirocco damage Amuro or Chars concious mind?
lemmehaviet 2 months ago
@lemmehaviet He probably could have he was an incredible new type. I have not heard or read anything about kamille becoming a doctor but it would not surprise me he was a smart kid.
Luigi84289 2 months ago
@Luigi84289 Kamille's newtype powers didn't go anywhere. If anything his powers got stronger after Scirocco's attack. It's also heavily implied that Kamille recovers fully from it in ZZ Gundam. Also the Moon Crisis side story is where he becomes a doctor but I'm not sure if it's canon because it conflicts with Unicorn.
VSX0021OmegaGundam 2 months ago
This is one of the most pivotal and rare Gundam scenes that not many fans have seen. It sheds some light as to Char's whereabouts and his decisions for his future actions.
The voice actor also did a wonderful job here to convey Char's grim determination.
Thanks for sharing this video.
xirality 2 years ago 2
@xirality yeah I really wish they're release somemore zeta gundam games stateside, fill in the holes.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
hawt!!
XturntodustX 2 years ago
@rippingtons60:
1. Mineva is about 12 during CCA. She's 7 when she first shows up in 0087, and CCA is roughly 5 years later.
2. Zena Zabi, Mineva's mother, died shortly after reaching Axis in 0081 or so. Can't remember of what though. Sorry
MarionetteSaviour 2 years ago
actually, minevea is 13, cause cca takes place in u.c. 0093
turdpop 2 years ago
Someone need to sub this ending!!!! PLEASE!
AsianMeatBunBoy 2 years ago
I second this opinion. For those of us who don't understand Japanese, the "definitive answers" aren't helping much at all! :(
GreatWagersOfAnime 2 years ago
Two questions: 1 If Mineva was born very first series then how old would by the time of Char's counter attack?, 2 How did her mother die?
rippingtons60 2 years ago
Yeah After killing all of her other family members he doesn't kill minerva since she is a loli and char is a lolicon for 1. He also doesn't kill her since she is a child who really innocent, and killing and innocent child would be pointless.
darksword101 3 years ago
He could never have a reason to kill her, She wasn't even born when his vendetta against the Zabi's started a he knows Haman was just using her. And don't forget he used tp play with Mineva as a child.
rippingtons60 2 years ago
Do anybody know where to find the
soundtrack of the ending credit roll after this clip?
It took me halflifetime looking for it.
The song is the same with Minerva'scene in this clip.
It is very hear-touching song.
Duoearth 3 years ago 9
@Duoearth Here's my advice. buy the original PS1 Z gundam game and once you brought the game either online like eBay or God know's where put the Z Gundam PS1 game cd with the Char storyline on your computer and simply play it like an ordinary CD you'll find the track your looking for at the very last track. Once you find it you can rip it off like any other CD. well anyway thats how I got mine as well and since there's no title to it for that matter I just named it Remininces. Well Good luck!
mekanda1 1 year ago
watch?v=RWK198CHGcE
XXXdArkr3dsilVerXXX 3 years ago
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This sieg zeon thing is already old butnot only that It's getting worn too.FEDERATION FOREVER!
methenium 3 years ago
Sieg Zeon!!
ciprianobabula 4 years ago
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SIEG E.F.S.F!!!
ssfiore 4 years ago
So the real Mineva ended up with Char. But then what happened to her? Or is the answer lost to history?
HUOGoofballs 4 years ago
She reappears in Gundam Unicorn, just like virtually every other major concept in the first century UC.
KMoroboshi 3 years ago
She reappears and plays a major role in Gundam Unicorn... and some of Char rubbed off on her, what with the way she conceals her identity (and not that terribly well, either) :P
KMoroboshi 3 years ago
Char does seem to like 'em young. Considering Haman's age in Zeta, it made me wonder how old she was when she and Char were an item.
MrSwipes 3 years ago
Haman fell in love with Char when she was 14...14
JClazlo 3 years ago
note that the colony he brought meneva to was the one she went to in Z gundam
kbhalacy 4 years ago
I love Char
twok 4 years ago
No, Amuro's enjoying life with Beltorchika
FrozenSlime 4 years ago
SIEG ZETA!lol
animefan388 4 years ago
Char's world is one in which we all would like to live. A world without war, or sadness.... a world where people are more than just the sum of thier skills.
Sieg Zeon Char.... Sieg Zeon.
Anakatsu 5 years ago 3
Is that why he wanted to slam the asteroid Axis on earth later on?
ciprianobabula 5 years ago
Erm..i thought it was that he wanted people to leave earth by droping that rock so all earthlings will come to space so that all can become NewTypes
haro8 4 years ago
But Char admits that his reasoning is very flimsy.
In fact, the only solid reasoning that Char wanted to fight Amuro again - and the explanation for that is some serious character regression. They both got over Lalah in Zeta...
...but Char still obscesses over her after letting her go in Zeta.
GamingTeacher 4 years ago
SIEG ZEON!!!!
RotaryChild 5 years ago
SIEG ZEON !! for ever
MSGundam0079 5 years ago
I may jus be another sheep in saying this, but SIEG ZEON!!
UltraMegaSquirrel 5 years ago
sya ha ZZnokoro naniwositeitanodarouka amuroha
hoseii 5 years ago
SIEG ZEON
balmungofsword 5 years ago
SIEG ZEON!!!!
ShinnxDestiny 5 years ago 2
SIEG ZEON! lol
tonework 5 years ago 2
SIEG ZEON!
haruhiko 5 years ago 2
SIEG ZEON! ;D
Amurpo 5 years ago 2
SIEG ZEON!
redcomet 5 years ago 2
hey can someone tell me y did char be bad again?
animefan388 5 years ago
Thing is... he doesn't see his actions as evil... ultimately a matter of prospective... from the OYW (he was only in it to get his revenge on the Zabis) and the AEUG (he didn't like the titans; and yet tried to promote his views) then finally to CCA where he tried to actively acheive them...
Ultimately History (in the UC world) would see him as a villain; having lost. But he tried making things better...in his own way.
ReiKusanagi 5 years ago
And as Amuro mentioned, he had an ego. Char was always thinking that what he, himself was doing is for the greater good, never taking the time to consider things from another point of view. Indeed, this is THE mindset for evil. Afterall, just how many people are those stereotypical psychopaths that actually enjoy watching people suffer?
FoieGras 5 years ago 5
OH! SO thats why he tried to slam a huge rock on earth.
ciprianobabula 5 years ago
@ciprianobabula Kamille was supposed to be a leader whom would send humanity to the stars after he went braindead Char hid away waiting for the fighting to cease and a victor to be declared then rose to power and did the only thing he felt would save his people from the Earth's Tyranny. It was like when the US nuked Japan they felt they had to do it.
Luigi84289 2 months ago
Char was never "bad", just not on the side they focused on. From Zeon's point of view, Char was close to a hero in the original Gundam.
TheCon 5 years ago
Char did seem to have some notion of the morality of his actions from a greater perspective. He seemed to actively try to save Mineva Zabi as a measure of making amends for his actions during the war. And in CCA, he openly acknowledges that his intentions are evil and his rationalizations are weak.
CaptainJoystick 5 years ago
Pretty much. I think the only solid reason he ever gives at any time is 'I hate you Amuro!' because Amuro 'took away Lalah.'
Char is just a very petty man, period.
GamingTeacher 4 years ago
we earthnoids who are weighed down by gravity will never understand sublime newtype reasoning. so don't even try.^^
sieg zeon!
juancho39 3 years ago
Char is a greatest character they ever created.
Thanny418 5 years ago
Awesome!
zeonchar 5 years ago
SIEG ZEON
kinggodzilla87 5 years ago
LOL
SIEG ZEON {shoots you guys and steals MS}
SagaraSouske 5 years ago
SIEG ZEON
KassieDee 5 years ago
Look at Char tho....he's pissed that Kamille has been mind wiped and blames the whole fighting on the pollution of the earth. I feel for Char.....I mean his intentions are noble but sanitywise...he's a loon. At least we know that Mineva is ok....and that Char is becoming who he was born to be....dropping the whole mask act.
kbhalacy 5 years ago 16
He may be a loon, but he's still badass!! He's still my favorite anime character after all these years.
jahmal99 5 years ago
Same here!
zeonchar 5 years ago
@kbhalacy The way I see it, this moment is canon, and what pushed Char into doing what he did in Char's Counterattack.
ndalum75 9 months ago
@ndalum75 Char was biding his time. He did not care who won after the Titans were defeated. All he cared about was lifting the remaining population of Earth off into space.
Luigi84289 9 months ago
Ya.. You should really say "It's only a spoiler if you speak Japanese!". =B
Karozoa 5 years ago
I love this
kinggodzilla87 5 years ago
Yeah they did die
Z30ng 5 years ago
Interesting. I wish it was subtitled so I could know what the text says. Also, maybe they'll one day say what happened to Char and Amuro during the ZZ Gundam timeline...
godaiking 6 years ago
didn't they die at the end of char's counterattack?
kwinseeeee 5 years ago
But that was after the ZZ timeline. We know what Amaro was doing though. He was still on earth with Karaba fighting in his own Zeta Gundam with the A marking on it. Green Diver tells us Amaro's storyline. Char is the only one you dont know much about between his apparent death (again) at the end of Zeta Gundam and Char's Counterattack.
Falcon5768 4 years ago
kwinseeee, yup that's why unfortunately they're not in any of the series that take place after UC 0093.
Luigi84289 3 years ago