@The0rangePanda You're an atheist too stupid! I’m an engineer and an engineer are 3 million in the U.S. and everyone in my country, Brazil, and throughout the world that a college degree and is not sick, Communist and Nazi. Least in Muslim countries, Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, Nicaragua and the Putin government that rules the RT. And his person.
The World Trade Center never existed, it was a mass illusion projected by projectors. For thirty years, people thought that there were two large buildings down in lower Manhattan. Look at the evidence! There is no proof that the those buildings ever existed!
The minions of A&E. No university, research centers, technical journals, scientists, associations of engineers, pilots, architects, firefighters and medical believe the lies and the demolition of the A&E. The same in Asia, Oceania, Canada, Europe and South America. The list below is today. I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet. There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0,0001% of U.S. engineers are in A&E. Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S.
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering,
University of Perdue, School of Civil Engineering,
University of Texas at El Paso, Department of Computer, Department of Civil Engineering, Science & Department of Public Administration,
University of Notre Dame, Department of Civil Engineering and Geological Sciences and the Student Chapter of the Earthquake Engineering Research Institute
People need to keep in mind that THE OFFICIAL story of what happend on 911 ( how the towers fell) was issued by your government.
The original explanation of the science behind the towers falling ( the metal burning etc) all those fantasy explanations-- ALL made official by your government.
A government that declaired WAR by using 911 as propaganda
@fast2ghl owz about you get your narrow minded head outa your arse,okay first time a jet hit a sky scraper loaded with fuel blah de blah..... 3 buildings colapsed into their own footprint at freefall speed with explosives going off,theres so much more witch you need to look ur lazy arse into before commenting on shit u clearly no fuckall about....stop beliving your tv an find out for youself.
Your whole world is filled up with the demonic scum all around you. You absorb it all in your sub conscience then it's implemented into your slave world by you consenting to conformity. You will make no difference just complain about what people are smoking.
This guy is so full of BS... Everything he says can be explained logically. YES conspiracy theories are great to read, but for the most part they don't hold true in any way, hence they are theories. GIVE IT UP PEOPLE these buildings were hit by 767's, larger planes then they were ever intended to withstand an impact from. He's right no buildings have ever fallen from plane impact because no buildings in history before 911 had ever been hit by fully fueled 767's traveling at 500mph!
@fast2ghl then what about WTC 7, no planes hit this building.What about the witness testomonies, the witnesses who died, or just vanished, and so much more that you have chosen to ignore because you are comfortable blaming who you are predisposed and conditioned to hate. I pity you.
@fast2ghl It does not matter what hit them. Those buildings are steel frame which means they are the strongest in the world. All the floors below the impact areas are undamaged and the buildings goes down in free fall speed as if those floor offered zero resistance. Sorry mate, but as much as it sucks, i just cannot happen.
I bet 90% of the people on youtube dont even know that WCT7 (the 3rd building) was NOT hit by a plane but just happend to fall ( at the rate of gravity) at 5pm.
A building which had a command center inside it.
Tell me how a 40 story building NOT hit by a plane or jet fuel can fall at the rate of gravity?
WC7 IS THE KEY TO EVERYTHING.
Those 3 buildings fell due to controlled demolition. PERIOD.
"Tell me how a 40 story building NOT hit by a plane or jet fuel can fall at the rate of gravity?"
It was heavily damaged by falling debris from the tower collapses. It caught fire, and burned for hours. It was fed, in part, by pressurized diesel lines that fed the bldg's generators. The sprinklers didn't work, and the fire burned uncontrolled. The firemen knew if was going to fail. It did.
@klrdotorg Only problem is that the official NIST report said the collapse wasnt due to fire. So who is right? You or the NIST? Id say you as well as NIST are full of it.
"The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building."
~ "Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation (9/17/2010, ARCHIVE, incorporated into 9/19/2011 update) NIST Public and Business Affairs website.
@klrdotorg Updated in 2011?????? I need something from the investgation done within the first two years. Not some notes added 10 years later lol. See my point
The NIST report on WTC 7 wasn't complete in the first couple of years. So no, I don't see your point. You asked for a quote (in fact you dared me) -- I gave you one ... from NIST.
@klrdotorg First couple years no but it was complete well before 2010/2011 which is when that quote you provided was added. So a new investigation was done in 2010? I dont think so
@klrdotorg No one is looking for an out I have been to Iraq 5 times and have seen with my own eyes this whole thing is BS. There is no change of subject this is all connected. Molten metal was found
@klrdotorg I joined the Army in 2002 after 9/11 and was blind as well I love my country but I know that there is an evil force controling it and will never be stopped as long as people like you exist
@masonTganes Yes it was controled but typical go boom explosives werent the only thing used if used at all. Search for "Ther Great Thermate Debate" that should explain everything.
@masonTganes I think this is much much bigger than just oil. Its about taking away the rights of every person globally We Kill Lybian president and next day we leave Iraq. We have people in Africa now
Thanks for your service. I'm sorry I don't agree with you. I've looked at both sides of the debate. Your side has no evidence, only anomolies and theories.
The real "tell" in the "truther" arguments. Is their repeated ignoring of important evidence that shoots their theories to hell. They pretend it doesn't exist, but it does.
@klrdotorg Ok well this is two sides of the same coin. I hope we all wan the truth. The "truther" movement as you call it used simple physics in thier arguments while the "official" story literally
@klrdotorg made up ther theorys required to justify what happened. Thats my problem. I frankly dont car who what when why. I just know I was lied too and would die defending that. Fema and Nist didnt
@klrdotorg even agree what happend because noe of thier therys were based off of the evidence. #1 most was moved out #2 they used a computer program to similate what happened fact
Knock yourselves out guys. I'm going to bed. Just remember - your argument is supported by less than 1% of the experts. Do you really believe you r the only smart people? Ur not.
It would take me 20 posts to list all the professional organizations & major universities that have studied 9/11. They all support the official story ... except A&E for 911 Truth.
@klrdotorg Thats simple our country is full of pussies who care more about keeping thier job than telling the truth. And hear we go with "thats stupid" why does it alway go there?
So Barry Jennings isnt important Why because the govt didnt label him an "expert" thats the problem with this country You dont need to be an expert to see, hear and smell a rat Just follow the cheese
@klrdotorg If all the evidence wasnt shipped off to China before an investigation could be done. There would be no need to debate what happened. Yet It was I guess planes fit in 5M holes too, Pentagon
The Pentagon was hit by Flight 77. The evidence to support this is undeniable ... unless you get your info from truther sites. I notice you like to change topics.
@klrdotorg So you know about the magic 5M hole huh One with the almost perfect circle exit hole huh. The most watched building in the world releases a 2 Frame per sec vid and says theres the plane lol
@klrdotorg You have to laugh to keep from beting so upset. Your use of "" is just as good as an lol. lol I cant be serious with a person who refuses to see the thruth. The govt has lied before fact
Yes. The govt has lied before. So? You guys make that stupid leap. It's dumb. Look at the real evidence - not just truther bullshit - and you'll get a handle on what happened.
@klrdotorg When you have answers to conspiracy theories given to you by the government---- um DUH they will twist the truth because they have the power to do so.
Do you think Bush is going to say there was controled demo involved?
The proof cant be released officially on FOX NEWS.
You MUST beleive in the THOUSANDS of scientists from across the planet that are trying to tell this country its impossible "freefall at the rate of gravity"
How many "THOUSANDS" are you talking about? The two or three thousand "scientists" - some of whom are tree doctors? The overwhelming majority of experts support the official story.
@klrdotorg Can you get me a copy of NIST's computer model for the collapse of WTC7? Oh, wait, no you can't because they refuse to release the model or any of the parameters used. What sort of corrupt science doesn't allow anyone else to examine the findings?
"aczjbr" just posted several lists of groups that have studied 9/11. Look at the long list of professional and media organizations, and universties that have studied the events of 9/11 - and accept the "official story".
Look at the list of prestigious schools. Did all those universities and engineering organizations miss school the day they taught physics and metalurgy? That's what you would have us believe. I don't think so. It's not just the govt.
All of the organizations in that list have published studies confirming that the World Trade Center did not fall from the use of explosives? List 5
NO ONE tested for explosives! Despite the debris meeting every characteristic of High Order Damage, despite terrorists using bombs at the WTC before and this was allegedly terrorists, despite it being common practice to perform chemical tests for explosive residues, and this was the largest building failure investigation EVER!
@smitty121981You miss!Of the 3 million engineers Yankees against their demolition and the false science of A&E,has experts in demolition.In my country,only Nazis, Communists and religious fanatics with fucking the iluminatti agree with you and A&E.I did military service and know to plant explosive without anybody and without holes,only by magic.The A&E mind as explosion noises.Were the floors of caving 2400T.No
@smitty121981 building collapses in silence. I've seen it in 15-storey buildings in earthquakes in Peru. Was in infernal noise. On 5 continents, engineer and scientists reject its demolition the Jet and from top to bottom with magic dirt and sand. The normal is unlike to controls where will fall with interdiction of building for months. In the towers would be 12 months for each one. Sending a video of an expert in demolition Yankee and Europe.
I had a horrible time trying to read your broken english, but the best thing you did to state your case was to post an opinion paper written by only ONE person! Compare that to the THOUSANDS of architects and engineers that say the exact opposite - that the WTC was demolished with explosives!
@smitty121981 The TRUTH of A&E, FRAUD, URGENT, FRANCE
Effondrement des tours Jumelles
The analysis of the explosives expert Jowenko was used by conspiracy theorists to show that WTC7 was deliberately destroyed. In the same interview, he explains that the controlled demolition of the twin towers is impossible. Dynamite exploded immediately, and it would take a year to put everything in place. In English.
w w w . dailymotion . com / video / x2l5k9_effondrement-des-tours-jumelles_news
Norwegian guy. I have to agree with you. My cat in the hat book by Dr. Zeus dose say when a Jet liner hits a building it falls over, especially a building with 10,000 X more mass than the jet. Bldg 7. So therefor it should start folding in on itself at the top and then leave a irregular pattern of failure. 20 feet sticking up on the north side, 30 feet up on the south side, 6 feet on the west side, and 4 inches on the east. No it was designed to pancake if a jet hit it. RIGHT! Smart thinking.
@txguynnh When the plane hit, the inside of the building caught fire along with the jet fuel. Steel might not burn but it will expand and weaken when exposed to high temperatures. The framework is like everything else only as strong as the weakest link. When one part of the framework began to bend, the other parts had to take over, and began to bend, and so its continues until things snaps. The top part of the building falls down on the floor below the impact, which...
@txguynnh ...gives in and smash down on the floor below, which falls down on the floor below, which falls down on the floor below and so on always with greater and greater power, until the collapse reaches the ground and spread outward. Its very similar to the way they demolish buildings. They take out the key points holding the building up and let gravity do the rest. The only difference is that they begin at the bottom, not the top
Classic conspiracy theory data mining and cherry picking -- Find a few minor anomalies that superficially support your hypothesis while completely disregarding mountains of evidence that contradict it. Truthers have joined an exclusive club that includes Moon Hoaxers, JFK Cover-uppers, Birthers and Holocaust Deniers.
No, explosives will not turn buildings to dust. Explosives, the kind used in demolition, cause a building to collapse on itself which then breaks into smaller chunks. Demolitions also leave seismic evidence (P and S waves). All the buildings in WTC left no P and S waves. This is because the buildings literally turned into dust before they hit the ground. Demolition cannot do this - and certainly not fire.
@Mercenarie558 Look at this guy---> r2mferro he wants to see our engineering degree... On YouTube!!! I dont know what he's thinking but asking for something like that on YouTube gotta get you qualified as a moron. Im laughing so hard.
@Mercenarie558 Explosion after explosion in the lower levels? Firefighters that were on the scene confirmed it. Nano thermite found in the dust of WTC. Melted steel and concrete captured in videos and confirmed by firefighters. Free fall of building 7. Calling people dumb asses? You sound like an uneducated fool.
@Mercenarie558 They arrested a bunch of Israeli Mossad agents with bombs during the attacks and let them go weeks later. You didn't see that on the news.
Also jet fuel near the top of a building isn't going to cause a huge explosion in the basement. Get your facts right.
They didn't have bombs. And you don't think fuel can fall down shafts in the buildings? Get a clue dude. Things in those building could explode. Electrical transformers, gas lines.
Those were bad reports. Read subsequent investigative reporting on the "dancing Israelis". They were spies for Israel. Spying on Muslim activities in the U.S. The business they worked for was a front for ongoing Israeli spy operations. There were no explosives in the van. Reportedly, bomb sniffing dogs reacted to the van, that's it. There was a lot of bad reporting during 9/11 and the days that followed. Stop relying on truther videos for your info. It's bad for ya.
@Mercenarie558 Because that's where all the evidence is that the bombs went off at. Ill take a group of firefighters witness statements over what you think you know.
You are such a dipshit. The official story doesn't claim that the "steel" supporting the towers "melted". The steel was significantly weakened by the extreme heat ... and failed.
@klrdotorg Name calling when you have no argument? How old are you?
Videos and eye witness accounts say that there was molten steel. Steel melts at 1600C. Office fires will top out at 900C. Does office fire fuse concrete and steel? Come back when you're going to have something intelligent to say.
@klrdotorg There was molten steel still burning a month later at THE BOTTOM of the wreckage. Explain how if the heart of all the damage happend at the top of a 90 story highrise?
You couldn't prep any of those buildings for demo - without everyone knowing about it. Why would you blow up a building - when it was already heavily damaged by catastrophic, intentional plane crashes?
@klrdotorg The buildings were white elephants and Silverstein wanted to destroy them anyway. This way he could demolish them without pissing off the entire city. Why do you think they didn't rebuild the twin towers? You keep asking questions but you don't really want answers.
I'd like intelligent, reasonable answers. That's not what you're giving. Why did the insurance companies payoff Billions if it was obviously demolition? Answer = there is zero evidence of demolition, zero evidence of an inside job, zero evidence that it was anything other than the official story.
With the exception of A&E for Truth, every university, every construction, engineering, archetectural professional organization that has investigated - supports the official story
@klrdotorg And what percentage of those have studied 9/11 in depth? Very few. Also, there's the immense fear and psychological effects of 9/11 that cloud the judgement of people like yourself and even people capable of getting to grips with the scientific impossibilities of the official theory. Heck, most people are scared shitless by the peer pressure of being labeled a "conspiracy theorist" for even questioning 9/11.
@klrdotorg Put yourself in the shoes of the average insurance company assessor. They not going to put their balls on the line by making earth-shatteringly bold accusations when they can simply pay the money and pass the costs onto their customers. Although the demolition is obvious to critical thinkers with some knowledge of physics and materials, I wouldn't say that it's "obvious" to the average person.
@klrdotorg Molten iron can be observed pouring from the building in many videos. There are also numerous eyewitness accounts of molten metal running like "lava".
Please enlighten us - what caused this molten metal? (Hint: jet fuel and office fires do not burn anywhere near hot enough to produce molten metal)
Oh ... Bush did it. As if Muslims hijacking planes, and using them as weapons - wasn't enough to go to war. He was such an incredibly smart guy -- he pulled off the biggest, most evil conspiracy in modern history, no leaks for ten years, but he didn't think of planting WMDs in Iraq. Makes a lot of sense.
You were born with a bad brain. What else do you want to know?
@masonTganes Young grasshopper you are on the right track but this is bigger than Bush and Cheney even though they did make alot of money with KBR AKA Halliburton AKA Cheney/Bush inc. This is a world effort to keep us uninformed and fearful.
Yes. Oswald was the lone gunman. I used to believe there was a conspiracy. But then I looked at the facts. Just like 9/11. What else do you want to know?
@masonTganes the official version doesn't say the steel was molten. it was weakened by the fire that was caused by the thousands of gallons of jet fuel.
@bellijklh But it was. Look at video footage, listen to firefighters. Steel was molten. You need a temperature of 1600C to melt steel. Official story claims that there was no molten steel but video, pictures and eye witness stories say that there were pools of steel even after few weeks of debris removal. One explosive can cause that : Nano Thermite, which was found all around WTC. Get your facts right.
@klrdotorg Which metal? The debunking sites claimed that the liqid metal was aluminium despite the fact that aluminium is silvery when heated and doesn't glow, no matter how much office material is added to it as shown in many experiements.
For some reason though the debunkers never admit when they're wrong.
@bellijklh The official version of what happened on 911 was "official" according to whom? The US government? we are supposed to beleive what they are telling us is the truth?
Not the people who were involved with the cleanup? Not scientists from across the planet? Not people who studied the site wreckage? Not the people who were threatend not to say what they say durring the cleanup?
Your government cant tell you there was a conspiracy. DUH.
@masonTganes architects are not scientists and even the number 1 conspiracy architect richard gage hasn't come up with a model of a structural failure which contradicts the way the towers collapsed.
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@bellijklh NIST has a model but they refuse to let anyone examine it. That is NOT science. During the original investigation, Kevin Ryan proved that fire couldn't cause a global collapse and he got sacked.
There are PLENTY of scientists that have disproved the official fairy tale. Watch Experts Speak Out.
@ComicPenius i don't believe any of the conspiracy theories and there's no chance i ever will. i respect your opinions although i think you're awfully wrong. if you want to believe the government plotted 9/11, that's fine with me (though i think it's just stupid), but it really takes a child's mind to believe that no airplanes crashed into the towers, and that all witnesses were government related and all phone calls made by the victims were faked. no offence.
And why don't you unable to believe in these conspiracy? is it because its a "conspiracy"? Don't limit your mind. Take time to do research and understand what truly happened. PLEASE. There are undeniable evidence and lies exposed. From engineers, scientists, and scholars. More and more and MORE Americans are realizing the truth And what makes it so hard to believe the government didn't plot 9/11? Do you believe the most powerful people on EARTH always tell the truth?
@ytSouljah i've watched hundreds of youtube truth videos (i'm not exaggerating). as to now, there is no plausible explanation for how they aired a fake plane hitting live. the explosion was obviously real, and the picture was live while and before the explosion occurred, so the plane also must have been real. some people claim that the news channels received fake tapes of the plane crashing on tower 2, but such tapes could not have included the explosion and the smoke that we saw (live).
@ytSouljah i saw the interview. it's going to take more than an alex jones dvd to make me believe in 9/11 conspiracy. aaron russo... do you really think he's reliable? there is no information about nick rockefeller on the net (except for the information that comes from russo himself ). russo is blaming him for treason and you'd think that five years after this story was exposed the truth movement would investigate or at least get this guy's comment and verify that he does exist.
@bellijklh "Conspiracy theories" is now a loaded term. It's been used to divert casual observers like yourself away from geopolitics. The moment you hear "conspiracy theory" you immediately stop looking since you're scared of the stigma of being labeled a "conspiracy theorist". You're not talking to a child's mind here, you're talking to someone that adheres strictly to the scientific method and has done more research into the history of geopolitic than you could even imagine.
@ComicPenius@ytSouljah i'll be honest with you, from my experience, this stigma is not that baseless. i know personally only two people who believe in this theory and they are, to say the least... a bit wackos. but put that aside, i've been watching many of the youtube truth videos looking for these evidence and proofs you're talking about but i couldn't find a clear cut evidence (that meets my standards) that would make me doubt.
@ComicPenius every argument made by truthers (better word?) can be explained in other ways and i don't see a reason to prefer the conspiracy theory over the official. terrorists (freedom fighters in some places) attacked many times before, they even tried to knock down the wtc in 93, than what makes it different this time?
@ComicPenius did the government gain from 9/11? hell yeah. do i think they knew and let it happen? not likely but you have the right to think otherwise. do i think they rigged the buildings with explosives, faked phone calls and aired images of planes hitting the wtc live with the help of major news channels and actors pretending to be witnesses? you know the answer.
@bellijklh Yeah these people are retarded losers. Simple as that. Some say the planes were remote controlled too and then a missile hit the Pentagon -passengers on board the flights were whisked away and executed to never be seen again. Fake phone calls were made to family members. People just get enjoyment thinking everything's the governments fault. There's no evidence for any of the conspiracies it's all lies even the chief of police of NY said it wasn't an inside job.
@bellijklh , the plan/attack was real, planes did hit the WTC, calls were real, I'm only discussing that it was not the plan of some towel heads in caves with box cutters took over two planes full of American's and hit 2 towers and.. 3 fell??(building 7)
it's just the type of things our Gov does / Gulf of tonkin/Pearl harbor/ and so on and so on to enter Wars. I'm Used to being lied to by my Government.
He just talked about some photos of wtc 7 that looked like it was demolished. Everybody has already seen that. It did look like a demolition, because it collapsed from the lower supports failing. The building was damaged and a fire burned all day.
It's just like if I went on tv and said "Hey. You can't seed the Apollo moon landing sites. Therefore it was a conspiracy." But there's an explaination for that. Probed that have orbited the moon do see it.
Helloooooo..... when a plane hits a skyscraper its gonna fall down. When it falls it either tips over or, as in this case, falls the way it was designed to do if it should ever fall. and you wonder why the world thinks you are the stupidest and ignorant people on the planet...
Yes, there are many stupid people here. But as a percentage of the populations, other countries, including yours, have higher rates that believe the conspiracy crap.
None of the buildings fell at "free-fall". Nearly every post you've made is complete bullshit. I'd think you might question your sources. But you don't.
Wow do people still believe terrorists did this? Lmfao that's almost as funny as the belief in God
The0rangePanda 2 hours ago
@The0rangePanda You're an atheist too stupid! I’m an engineer and an engineer are 3 million in the U.S. and everyone in my country, Brazil, and throughout the world that a college degree and is not sick, Communist and Nazi. Least in Muslim countries, Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, Nicaragua and the Putin government that rules the RT. And his person.
aczjbr 13 minutes ago
The World Trade Center never existed, it was a mass illusion projected by projectors. For thirty years, people thought that there were two large buildings down in lower Manhattan. Look at the evidence! There is no proof that the those buildings ever existed!
TheJoeyD27 11 hours ago
Congress to reopen anything to clear Al-Qaida. The A&E already been born defeated. As well as its false science.
aczjbr 20 hours ago
The minions of A&E. No university, research centers, technical journals, scientists, associations of engineers, pilots, architects, firefighters and medical believe the lies and the demolition of the A&E. The same in Asia, Oceania, Canada, Europe and South America. The list below is today. I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet. There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0,0001% of U.S. engineers are in A&E. Without the universities the A&E will never convince the U.S.
aczjbr 20 hours ago
New York City Fire Department
Fort Myer Fire Department.
International Association of Fire Chiefs
International Association of Fire Fighters
Arlington Professional Fire Fighters Association, IAFF; Arlington.
Fairfax County Fire and Rescue,
New York City Department of Environmental Protection.
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Kappler Safety Group
InterAgency Board for Equipment Standardization and InterOperability
Emergency Medical Services, Oklahoma City Fire Department.
Science & Technology Policy Institute Rand
North Carolina State University, Center for Research Textile Protection & Comfort
Washington State Urban Search and Rescue
Occupational Health & Environmental Safety, 3M Company.
New York City Department of Environmental Protection.
New York City Office of Emergency Management.
Kappler Safety Group
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Bechtel Group, Inc.
Oklahoma City National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism
Department of Emergency Medicine, University of Massachusetts Memorial Medical Center;
American College of Medical Toxicology;
ArchitectureWeek . com
Fire Protection Engineering . com
McGraw-Hill Construction Online
NFPA . ORG . FOR
Scientific American . com
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Enr.com - Engeneerin news
PDHengineer . com
Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE
Popular Mechanics
Skeptic . com
Applied Research Associates, Inc.
Century Dynamics, Inc.Concord,CA,
Cagley & Associates, Consulting Structural Engineers, Rockville, Montgomery, Maryland,
Thornton-Tomasetti Engineers, NY, NY
DeStefano Associates, and is a Partner in the firm of Coastal Engineering Partners.
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Simpson Gumpertz & Heger, Inc., San Francisco, CA
Myers, Houghton & Partners, Inc. Structural Engineers, Long Beach CA
Teng & Associates, Inc. in Chicago.
American Institute of Steel Construction Inc, Chicago(AISC),
American Society of Civil Engineers(ASCE),123,000 members,
American Institute of Architects(AIA),80,000 members
American Concrete Institute(ACI),20,000 members spanning 108 countries.
American Council Of Engineering Companies(ACEC),6,000 independent engineering companies
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American Society of Mechanical Engineers(ASME),120,000 members
American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics(AIAA),35,000 members
American Institute of Chemical Engineers(AIChE),40,000 members
American Standards Institute(ANSI),125 mil empresas e 3.500 mil members,
Association of de Wall & Ceiling Industry,2.000 members that are primarily wall and ceiling contractors
Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH),
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Department of Design and Construction(DDC) in NY,1,200 members
International Union of Operating Engineers, Canada & USA, Training Center,
Geneva College is a comprehensive Christian college of the arts, sciences and professional studies. Beaver Falls, PA.
International Metallographic Society,
Institute of Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY),
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), 370,000 members
Minerals, Metals & Materials Society,15,000 members
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National Council of Structural Engineers Associations (NCSEA),12 mil members,
National Fire Protection Association (NFPA),70,000 individuals around the world,
Structural Engineering Institute (SEI),
Society for Fire Protection Engineering (SFPE),
Atlantic International University, Civil Engineering Department, Miami
Columbia University, Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science
California Polytechnic State University, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
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Cornell University, School Civil and Environmental Engineering & Department of Crop Soil Sciencies
Florida International University, School Civil and Environmental Engineering
Lehigh University, Department Civil Engineering
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Engineering Department,
Michigan State University, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
Northwestern University, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering & Research Experiences for Teachers Program
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National Academy of Engineering,
Princeton University, Department of Civil & Environmental Engineering
Pennsylvania State University, Protective technology center & College of Engineering,
State University of New York at Albany, Doctor of Arts & architecture
Stanford University, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering,
Syracuse University, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering,
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Ohio State University. Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Geodetic
University of Akron, Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Arizona, Engineering Civil Department,
University of Colorado, Engineering Civil Department,
University of Chicago, NORC at the Department of Security, Energy, and Environment
University of Delaware, Department of Sociology, Criminal Justice, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
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University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering,
University of Perdue, School of Civil Engineering,
University of Texas at El Paso, Department of Computer, Department of Civil Engineering, Science & Department of Public Administration,
University of Notre Dame, Department of Civil Engineering and Geological Sciences and the Student Chapter of the Earthquake Engineering Research Institute
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Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University,
Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Department of Civil Engineering
Washington State University; Department of Political Science, Criminal Justice, School of Electrical Engineering & Computer Science.
Youngstown State University, Banco de Dados de Pesquisas Tecnológicas (TRD) & Copper Data Center (CDC)
aczjbr 21 hours ago
thanks, i'll watch it and i'll let you know what i think.
bellijklh 23 hours ago
Rhetoric Fail
hkasko 1 day ago
If you don't know 9/11 was an inside job by now you are officially retarded
TruthHurts9111111 2 days ago
we all know it was an inside job. at least I hope we do. ILLUMINATI SATANIC MAGICK RITUAL SACRIFICE!!!!
ihatecon 2 days ago
This is about the plane that hit the Empire State Building: watch?v=MzCygjiLMfw
xander7ful 3 days ago
People need to keep in mind that THE OFFICIAL story of what happend on 911 ( how the towers fell) was issued by your government.
The original explanation of the science behind the towers falling ( the metal burning etc) all those fantasy explanations-- ALL made official by your government.
A government that declaired WAR by using 911 as propaganda
masonTganes 3 days ago 2
@fast2ghl owz about you get your narrow minded head outa your arse,okay first time a jet hit a sky scraper loaded with fuel blah de blah..... 3 buildings colapsed into their own footprint at freefall speed with explosives going off,theres so much more witch you need to look ur lazy arse into before commenting on shit u clearly no fuckall about....stop beliving your tv an find out for youself.
Stukenny46 3 days ago
Your whole world is filled up with the demonic scum all around you. You absorb it all in your sub conscience then it's implemented into your slave world by you consenting to conformity. You will make no difference just complain about what people are smoking.
anakinsolojedi 3 days ago
LMAO @ this video. Whatever you guys are somoking, I want some !
47927411D 4 days ago
This guy is so full of BS... Everything he says can be explained logically. YES conspiracy theories are great to read, but for the most part they don't hold true in any way, hence they are theories. GIVE IT UP PEOPLE these buildings were hit by 767's, larger planes then they were ever intended to withstand an impact from. He's right no buildings have ever fallen from plane impact because no buildings in history before 911 had ever been hit by fully fueled 767's traveling at 500mph!
fast2ghl 4 days ago
@fast2ghl criminal thinking.
Ochibason 4 days ago
@fast2ghl then what about WTC 7, no planes hit this building.What about the witness testomonies, the witnesses who died, or just vanished, and so much more that you have chosen to ignore because you are comfortable blaming who you are predisposed and conditioned to hate. I pity you.
preciousmetalz 4 days ago
@fast2ghl It does not matter what hit them. Those buildings are steel frame which means they are the strongest in the world. All the floors below the impact areas are undamaged and the buildings goes down in free fall speed as if those floor offered zero resistance. Sorry mate, but as much as it sucks, i just cannot happen.
wealthmaster71 3 days ago
@fast2ghl most important is not how big was the plane, but what it was made of... if u was smarter u would check that out before embarassing urself.
Kpac21c 3 days ago
these pictures show nothing new, we've all already seen the clouds of dust.
she is asking him questions as if he is some kind of authority or as if he has a clue of what he's talking about.
bellijklh 4 days ago 2
The US government can never acknowledge that scientists are right about the controlled demolition. No matter how many facts are proven.
IF they did imagine the fallout?
People who are sheep beleive in everything their government tells them.
IF you beleive JFK was killed by Oswald. then there is no point talking about 911.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes Amen
theoneb22000 5 days ago
I bet 90% of the people on youtube dont even know that WCT7 (the 3rd building) was NOT hit by a plane but just happend to fall ( at the rate of gravity) at 5pm.
A building which had a command center inside it.
Tell me how a 40 story building NOT hit by a plane or jet fuel can fall at the rate of gravity?
WC7 IS THE KEY TO EVERYTHING.
Those 3 buildings fell due to controlled demolition. PERIOD.
Yes the planes hit. duh. But that was deflection.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes
"Tell me how a 40 story building NOT hit by a plane or jet fuel can fall at the rate of gravity?"
It was heavily damaged by falling debris from the tower collapses. It caught fire, and burned for hours. It was fed, in part, by pressurized diesel lines that fed the bldg's generators. The sprinklers didn't work, and the fire burned uncontrolled. The firemen knew if was going to fail. It did.
What else do you want to know?
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg Only problem is that the official NIST report said the collapse wasnt due to fire. So who is right? You or the NIST? Id say you as well as NIST are full of it.
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
That's not what NIST said. NIST said the main reason for the failure of Building 7 was - uncontrolled fire.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg I think google can solve this argument. Please quote that for me in thier exact words please. I dare you
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
"The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building."
~ "Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation (9/17/2010, ARCHIVE, incorporated into 9/19/2011 update) NIST Public and Business Affairs website.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg Updated in 2011?????? I need something from the investgation done within the first two years. Not some notes added 10 years later lol. See my point
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
The NIST report on WTC 7 wasn't complete in the first couple of years. So no, I don't see your point. You asked for a quote (in fact you dared me) -- I gave you one ... from NIST.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg First couple years no but it was complete well before 2010/2011 which is when that quote you provided was added. So a new investigation was done in 2010? I dont think so
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
No. A new investigation was not done in 2010. You're looking for an out.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg No one is looking for an out I have been to Iraq 5 times and have seen with my own eyes this whole thing is BS. There is no change of subject this is all connected. Molten metal was found
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@klrdotorg "Experts" didnt find evidence because they didnt look. Figure out who Barry Jennings is yet?
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@klrdotorg I joined the Army in 2002 after 9/11 and was blind as well I love my country but I know that there is an evil force controling it and will never be stopped as long as people like you exist
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000 I thank you for serving our country.
But as a vet do you think A) there was controlled demo? and B) this war is about OIL & using 911 as an excuse to go to war?
There are lots of countries in the world that are worse off than iraq
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes Yes it was controled but typical go boom explosives werent the only thing used if used at all. Search for "Ther Great Thermate Debate" that should explain everything.
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@masonTganes I think this is much much bigger than just oil. Its about taking away the rights of every person globally We Kill Lybian president and next day we leave Iraq. We have people in Africa now
theoneb22000 5 days ago 2
@theoneb22000
Thanks for your service. I'm sorry I don't agree with you. I've looked at both sides of the debate. Your side has no evidence, only anomolies and theories.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
The real "tell" in the "truther" arguments. Is their repeated ignoring of important evidence that shoots their theories to hell. They pretend it doesn't exist, but it does.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg Ok well this is two sides of the same coin. I hope we all wan the truth. The "truther" movement as you call it used simple physics in thier arguments while the "official" story literally
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@klrdotorg made up ther theorys required to justify what happened. Thats my problem. I frankly dont car who what when why. I just know I was lied too and would die defending that. Fema and Nist didnt
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@klrdotorg even agree what happend because noe of thier therys were based off of the evidence. #1 most was moved out #2 they used a computer program to similate what happened fact
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
Knock yourselves out guys. I'm going to bed. Just remember - your argument is supported by less than 1% of the experts. Do you really believe you r the only smart people? Ur not.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
It would take me 20 posts to list all the professional organizations & major universities that have studied 9/11. They all support the official story ... except A&E for 911 Truth.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg Thats simple our country is full of pussies who care more about keeping thier job than telling the truth. And hear we go with "thats stupid" why does it alway go there?
theoneb22000 5 days ago
So Barry Jennings isnt important Why because the govt didnt label him an "expert" thats the problem with this country You dont need to be an expert to see, hear and smell a rat Just follow the cheese
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@klrdotorg Please google Barry Jennings and tell me why he is dead
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@klrdotorg If all the evidence wasnt shipped off to China before an investigation could be done. There would be no need to debate what happened. Yet It was I guess planes fit in 5M holes too, Pentagon
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
The Pentagon was hit by Flight 77. The evidence to support this is undeniable ... unless you get your info from truther sites. I notice you like to change topics.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg So you know about the magic 5M hole huh One with the almost perfect circle exit hole huh. The most watched building in the world releases a 2 Frame per sec vid and says theres the plane lol
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
Your "lol"s make you seem like such a serious person.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg You have to laugh to keep from beting so upset. Your use of "" is just as good as an lol. lol I cant be serious with a person who refuses to see the thruth. The govt has lied before fact
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
Yes. The govt has lied before. So? You guys make that stupid leap. It's dumb. Look at the real evidence - not just truther bullshit - and you'll get a handle on what happened.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg When you have answers to conspiracy theories given to you by the government---- um DUH they will twist the truth because they have the power to do so.
Do you think Bush is going to say there was controled demo involved?
The proof cant be released officially on FOX NEWS.
You MUST beleive in the THOUSANDS of scientists from across the planet that are trying to tell this country its impossible "freefall at the rate of gravity"
masonTganes 5 days ago
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theoneb22000 5 days ago
@masonTganes Either they are a plant or blind. I hope they wake up and soon
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@masonTganes
How many "THOUSANDS" are you talking about? The two or three thousand "scientists" - some of whom are tree doctors? The overwhelming majority of experts support the official story.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg Im still waiting for you to figure out who Barry Jennings is
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@theoneb22000
I've been down the "Barry Jennings" road before. You're sold on weak shit like that. I'm not. Why is Alex Jones still breathing?
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg You beleive in OSWALD kiling the president... you are not in reality
We cant talk about 911 if you beleive OSWALD killed JFK.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes
We've already covered this. Oswald shot JFK. It's a done deal. You want to call me nuts for believing what the evidence clearly points to. Go ahead.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg Evidence has proven OSWALD could NOT have shot FJK.
Offical statements by our government.. admitting our goverment killed JFK will never happen.
Official statements by our government - admitting there was controled demo on 911 CANT happen even if its proven to be true.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@klrdotorg Can you get me a copy of NIST's computer model for the collapse of WTC7? Oh, wait, no you can't because they refuse to release the model or any of the parameters used. What sort of corrupt science doesn't allow anyone else to examine the findings?
ComicPenius 1 day ago
@ComicPenius
"aczjbr" just posted several lists of groups that have studied 9/11. Look at the long list of professional and media organizations, and universties that have studied the events of 9/11 - and accept the "official story".
Look at the list of prestigious schools. Did all those universities and engineering organizations miss school the day they taught physics and metalurgy? That's what you would have us believe. I don't think so. It's not just the govt.
klrdotorg 20 hours ago
@klrdotorg
All of the organizations in that list have published studies confirming that the World Trade Center did not fall from the use of explosives? List 5
NO ONE tested for explosives! Despite the debris meeting every characteristic of High Order Damage, despite terrorists using bombs at the WTC before and this was allegedly terrorists, despite it being common practice to perform chemical tests for explosive residues, and this was the largest building failure investigation EVER!
smitty121981 13 hours ago
@smitty121981You miss!Of the 3 million engineers Yankees against their demolition and the false science of A&E,has experts in demolition.In my country,only Nazis, Communists and religious fanatics with fucking the iluminatti agree with you and A&E.I did military service and know to plant explosive without anybody and without holes,only by magic.The A&E mind as explosion noises.Were the floors of caving 2400T.No
aczjbr 3 hours ago
@smitty121981 building collapses in silence. I've seen it in 15-storey buildings in earthquakes in Peru. Was in infernal noise. On 5 continents, engineer and scientists reject its demolition the Jet and from top to bottom with magic dirt and sand. The normal is unlike to controls where will fall with interdiction of building for months. In the towers would be 12 months for each one. Sending a video of an expert in demolition Yankee and Europe.
aczjbr 3 hours ago
@smitty121981 ImplosionworldCom
CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF DE COLLAPSE OF THE WTC TOWERS 1,2 & 7 FROM AND CONVENTIONAL DEMOLITION INDUSTRY VIEWPOINT
BY BRENT BLANCHARD, AUGUST 8, 2006
Senior Editor for Implosionworldcom and Director of Field Operations at Protec Documentation .
w w w . jod911 . com /WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf
CRT Twin Towers Brent Blanchard: /watch?v=972ETepp4GI
aczjbr 3 hours ago
@aczjbr
I had a horrible time trying to read your broken english, but the best thing you did to state your case was to post an opinion paper written by only ONE person! Compare that to the THOUSANDS of architects and engineers that say the exact opposite - that the WTC was demolished with explosives!
smitty121981 4 minutes ago
@smitty121981 The TRUTH of A&E, FRAUD, URGENT, FRANCE
Effondrement des tours Jumelles
The analysis of the explosives expert Jowenko was used by conspiracy theorists to show that WTC7 was deliberately destroyed. In the same interview, he explains that the controlled demolition of the twin towers is impossible. Dynamite exploded immediately, and it would take a year to put everything in place. In English.
w w w . dailymotion . com / video / x2l5k9_effondrement-des-tours-jumelles_news
aczjbr 2 hours ago
@klrdotorg all your responses are incorrect. No building can fall perfectly at the rate of gravity without controled demolition.
NOT WT7.
and the twin towers were built to NOT pankack when a plane hits the top of it.
They were built to endure such a thing. Its scientificly PROVEN to be impossible for any building to fall at the rate of gravity.
GOOGLE IT. how many ways can it be proven to people.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@klrdotorg i meant pancacake.
masonTganes 5 days ago
Norwegian guy. I have to agree with you. My cat in the hat book by Dr. Zeus dose say when a Jet liner hits a building it falls over, especially a building with 10,000 X more mass than the jet. Bldg 7. So therefor it should start folding in on itself at the top and then leave a irregular pattern of failure. 20 feet sticking up on the north side, 30 feet up on the south side, 6 feet on the west side, and 4 inches on the east. No it was designed to pancake if a jet hit it. RIGHT! Smart thinking.
txguynnh 5 days ago
@txguynnh When the plane hit, the inside of the building caught fire along with the jet fuel. Steel might not burn but it will expand and weaken when exposed to high temperatures. The framework is like everything else only as strong as the weakest link. When one part of the framework began to bend, the other parts had to take over, and began to bend, and so its continues until things snaps. The top part of the building falls down on the floor below the impact, which...
TheLordofNorwegians 5 days ago 2
@txguynnh ...gives in and smash down on the floor below, which falls down on the floor below, which falls down on the floor below and so on always with greater and greater power, until the collapse reaches the ground and spread outward. Its very similar to the way they demolish buildings. They take out the key points holding the building up and let gravity do the rest. The only difference is that they begin at the bottom, not the top
TheLordofNorwegians 5 days ago 2
Classic conspiracy theory data mining and cherry picking -- Find a few minor anomalies that superficially support your hypothesis while completely disregarding mountains of evidence that contradict it. Truthers have joined an exclusive club that includes Moon Hoaxers, JFK Cover-uppers, Birthers and Holocaust Deniers.
mhansl 6 days ago 3
@mhansl
Well said!! And you're right ... they are special, and their club is exclusive.
:)
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@mhansl JFK was killed by his own government. if you beleive Oswald had a magic bulllet then theres no point in trying to talk about 911.
Beleive EVERYTHNG your government tells you and you are the sheep following the herd.
masonTganes 5 days ago
No, explosives will not turn buildings to dust. Explosives, the kind used in demolition, cause a building to collapse on itself which then breaks into smaller chunks. Demolitions also leave seismic evidence (P and S waves). All the buildings in WTC left no P and S waves. This is because the buildings literally turned into dust before they hit the ground. Demolition cannot do this - and certainly not fire.
mujaku 6 days ago 2
TheLordofNorwegians,do us all a favour.speak for your self.the world does not think he is stupid.I hate when ppl say those things.
cain534 6 days ago
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". . . and even victims that day that said they heard explosions. . ."
Yes idiot. When jet fuel ignites, it causes an explosion. Do you dumbasses realize that?
Mercenarie558 6 days ago
@Mercenarie558 Look at this guy---> r2mferro he wants to see our engineering degree... On YouTube!!! I dont know what he's thinking but asking for something like that on YouTube gotta get you qualified as a moron. Im laughing so hard.
TheLordofNorwegians 5 days ago 2
@TheLordofNorwegians Dumy the jet fuel burned out 15 minutes after impact.
The planes did not explode an hour later.
CONTROLED DEMOLITON - PERIOD
masonTganes 5 days ago
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@masonTganes
Jet fuel just ignited the fires moron. Do all you arguments come from Loose Change edition one?
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911 TRUTH = 911 LIES
ctcole77 5 days ago
". . . and even victims that day that said they heard explosions. . ."
Yes idiot. When jet fuel ignites, it causes an explosion. Do you dumbasses realize that?
Mercenarie558 6 days ago 2
@Mercenarie558 Explosion after explosion in the lower levels? Firefighters that were on the scene confirmed it. Nano thermite found in the dust of WTC. Melted steel and concrete captured in videos and confirmed by firefighters. Free fall of building 7. Calling people dumb asses? You sound like an uneducated fool.
MrHoojaszczyk 6 days ago
@Mercenarie558 They arrested a bunch of Israeli Mossad agents with bombs during the attacks and let them go weeks later. You didn't see that on the news.
Also jet fuel near the top of a building isn't going to cause a huge explosion in the basement. Get your facts right.
rsx123 6 days ago
@rsx123
They didn't have bombs. And you don't think fuel can fall down shafts in the buildings? Get a clue dude. Things in those building could explode. Electrical transformers, gas lines.
klrdotorg 6 days ago
@klrdotorg Yes they did have bombs. One of the vans even blew up.
rsx123 5 days ago
@rsx123
Give me the link or source.
klrdotorg 4 days ago
@klrdotororg Finally the right question.
watch?v=qkhMwID-IYQ
rsx123 4 days ago
@rsx123
Those were bad reports. Read subsequent investigative reporting on the "dancing Israelis". They were spies for Israel. Spying on Muslim activities in the U.S. The business they worked for was a front for ongoing Israeli spy operations. There were no explosives in the van. Reportedly, bomb sniffing dogs reacted to the van, that's it. There was a lot of bad reporting during 9/11 and the days that followed. Stop relying on truther videos for your info. It's bad for ya.
klrdotorg 4 days ago
@klrdotorg Never mind.
So you actually think that it was really Osama?
rsx123 4 days ago
@rsx123 Who said I was talking about the basement?
Mercenarie558 6 days ago
@Mercenarie558 Because that's where all the evidence is that the bombs went off at. Ill take a group of firefighters witness statements over what you think you know.
rsx123 4 days ago
@rsx123 You'll take maybe twenty people over an entire nation, our military, and our government? Good luck with that. :D
Mercenarie558 4 days ago 2
Its been scientificly PROVEN without a shadow of a doubt that steel could not have been melted at the temps given.
Do you people still beleive JFK was killd by oswald too??
masonTganes 6 days ago
@masonTganes
You are such a dipshit. The official story doesn't claim that the "steel" supporting the towers "melted". The steel was significantly weakened by the extreme heat ... and failed.
klrdotorg 6 days ago
@klrdotorg Name calling when you have no argument? How old are you?
Videos and eye witness accounts say that there was molten steel. Steel melts at 1600C. Office fires will top out at 900C. Does office fire fuse concrete and steel? Come back when you're going to have something intelligent to say.
MrHoojaszczyk 6 days ago
@MrHoojaszczyk
Those witnesses are experts of the distinction between molten metal & steel? Doubt it. But you keep believing those truther fantasies. Fine with me.
klrdotorg 6 days ago
@klrdotorg There was molten steel still burning a month later at THE BOTTOM of the wreckage. Explain how if the heart of all the damage happend at the top of a 90 story highrise?
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes
There was molten "metal" evidently. So?
You couldn't prep any of those buildings for demo - without everyone knowing about it. Why would you blow up a building - when it was already heavily damaged by catastrophic, intentional plane crashes?
What else do you want to know?
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg The buildings were white elephants and Silverstein wanted to destroy them anyway. This way he could demolish them without pissing off the entire city. Why do you think they didn't rebuild the twin towers? You keep asking questions but you don't really want answers.
ComicPenius 1 day ago
@ComicPenius
I'd like intelligent, reasonable answers. That's not what you're giving. Why did the insurance companies payoff Billions if it was obviously demolition? Answer = there is zero evidence of demolition, zero evidence of an inside job, zero evidence that it was anything other than the official story.
With the exception of A&E for Truth, every university, every construction, engineering, archetectural professional organization that has investigated - supports the official story
klrdotorg 1 day ago
@klrdotorg And what percentage of those have studied 9/11 in depth? Very few. Also, there's the immense fear and psychological effects of 9/11 that cloud the judgement of people like yourself and even people capable of getting to grips with the scientific impossibilities of the official theory. Heck, most people are scared shitless by the peer pressure of being labeled a "conspiracy theorist" for even questioning 9/11.
ComicPenius 1 day ago
@klrdotorg Put yourself in the shoes of the average insurance company assessor. They not going to put their balls on the line by making earth-shatteringly bold accusations when they can simply pay the money and pass the costs onto their customers. Although the demolition is obvious to critical thinkers with some knowledge of physics and materials, I wouldn't say that it's "obvious" to the average person.
ComicPenius 1 day ago
@klrdotorg Molten iron can be observed pouring from the building in many videos. There are also numerous eyewitness accounts of molten metal running like "lava".
Please enlighten us - what caused this molten metal? (Hint: jet fuel and office fires do not burn anywhere near hot enough to produce molten metal)
ComicPenius 1 day ago
@masonTganes
Yes. Oswald killed JFK. What else do you want to know?
klrdotorg 6 days ago
@klrdotorg Maybe, but who was behind it?
MrHoojaszczyk 6 days ago
@MrHoojaszczyk
al Qaeda was behind it ... all by themselves.
klrdotorg 6 days ago
@klrdotorg right our government had nothing to gain by going to war for 10 yrs later.
It didnt gaurentee bush a 2nd term after he stole the first election in 2000.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes
Oh ... Bush did it. As if Muslims hijacking planes, and using them as weapons - wasn't enough to go to war. He was such an incredibly smart guy -- he pulled off the biggest, most evil conspiracy in modern history, no leaks for ten years, but he didn't think of planting WMDs in Iraq. Makes a lot of sense.
You were born with a bad brain. What else do you want to know?
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@masonTganes Young grasshopper you are on the right track but this is bigger than Bush and Cheney even though they did make alot of money with KBR AKA Halliburton AKA Cheney/Bush inc. This is a world effort to keep us uninformed and fearful.
theoneb22000 5 days ago
@klrdotorg If you think Oswald was the lone gunman... then you loose all credibility and cannot have a rational converstion here.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes
Yes. Oswald was the lone gunman. I used to believe there was a conspiracy. But then I looked at the facts. Just like 9/11. What else do you want to know?
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@masonTganes the official version doesn't say the steel was molten. it was weakened by the fire that was caused by the thousands of gallons of jet fuel.
bellijklh 6 days ago
@bellijklh But it was. Look at video footage, listen to firefighters. Steel was molten. You need a temperature of 1600C to melt steel. Official story claims that there was no molten steel but video, pictures and eye witness stories say that there were pools of steel even after few weeks of debris removal. One explosive can cause that : Nano Thermite, which was found all around WTC. Get your facts right.
MrHoojaszczyk 6 days ago
@MrHoojaszczyk
Metal was "molten" ... not steel. Big difference. Why don't you idiots ever venture out of your truther sites - to find out the facts?
klrdotorg 6 days ago
@klrdotorg Which metal? The debunking sites claimed that the liqid metal was aluminium despite the fact that aluminium is silvery when heated and doesn't glow, no matter how much office material is added to it as shown in many experiements.
For some reason though the debunkers never admit when they're wrong.
ComicPenius 1 day ago
@MrHoojaszczyk pictures and eye witness also say planes hit the wtc. do you believe that?
bellijklh 5 days ago 3
@bellijklh The official version of what happened on 911 was "official" according to whom? The US government? we are supposed to beleive what they are telling us is the truth?
Not the people who were involved with the cleanup? Not scientists from across the planet? Not people who studied the site wreckage? Not the people who were threatend not to say what they say durring the cleanup?
Your government cant tell you there was a conspiracy. DUH.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes none of the people you mentioned had stated that they have a direct evidence for a conspiracy or that they were involved in such plot.
bellijklh 5 days ago
@masonTganes there aren't even documents supporting that though i believe you think there are.
bellijklh 5 days ago
@masonTganes architects are not scientists and even the number 1 conspiracy architect richard gage hasn't come up with a model of a structural failure which contradicts the way the towers collapsed.
bellijklh 5 days ago
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@bellijklh NIST has a model but they refuse to let anyone examine it. That is NOT science. During the original investigation, Kevin Ryan proved that fire couldn't cause a global collapse and he got sacked.
There are PLENTY of scientists that have disproved the official fairy tale. Watch Experts Speak Out.
ComicPenius 2 days ago
@ComicPenius i don't believe any of the conspiracy theories and there's no chance i ever will. i respect your opinions although i think you're awfully wrong. if you want to believe the government plotted 9/11, that's fine with me (though i think it's just stupid), but it really takes a child's mind to believe that no airplanes crashed into the towers, and that all witnesses were government related and all phone calls made by the victims were faked. no offence.
bellijklh 2 days ago 8
@bellijklh
And why don't you unable to believe in these conspiracy? is it because its a "conspiracy"? Don't limit your mind. Take time to do research and understand what truly happened. PLEASE. There are undeniable evidence and lies exposed. From engineers, scientists, and scholars. More and more and MORE Americans are realizing the truth And what makes it so hard to believe the government didn't plot 9/11? Do you believe the most powerful people on EARTH always tell the truth?
ytSouljah 1 day ago
@ytSouljah i've watched hundreds of youtube truth videos (i'm not exaggerating). as to now, there is no plausible explanation for how they aired a fake plane hitting live. the explosion was obviously real, and the picture was live while and before the explosion occurred, so the plane also must have been real. some people claim that the news channels received fake tapes of the plane crashing on tower 2, but such tapes could not have included the explosion and the smoke that we saw (live).
bellijklh 1 day ago 9
@bellijklh
Hmm. Have you watched Aaron Russo interview then?
ytSouljah 23 hours ago
@ytSouljah i saw the interview. it's going to take more than an alex jones dvd to make me believe in 9/11 conspiracy. aaron russo... do you really think he's reliable? there is no information about nick rockefeller on the net (except for the information that comes from russo himself ). russo is blaming him for treason and you'd think that five years after this story was exposed the truth movement would investigate or at least get this guy's comment and verify that he does exist.
bellijklh 21 hours ago
@bellijklh "Conspiracy theories" is now a loaded term. It's been used to divert casual observers like yourself away from geopolitics. The moment you hear "conspiracy theory" you immediately stop looking since you're scared of the stigma of being labeled a "conspiracy theorist". You're not talking to a child's mind here, you're talking to someone that adheres strictly to the scientific method and has done more research into the history of geopolitic than you could even imagine.
ComicPenius 1 day ago
@ComicPenius @ytSouljah i'll be honest with you, from my experience, this stigma is not that baseless. i know personally only two people who believe in this theory and they are, to say the least... a bit wackos. but put that aside, i've been watching many of the youtube truth videos looking for these evidence and proofs you're talking about but i couldn't find a clear cut evidence (that meets my standards) that would make me doubt.
bellijklh 1 day ago 2
@ComicPenius every argument made by truthers (better word?) can be explained in other ways and i don't see a reason to prefer the conspiracy theory over the official. terrorists (freedom fighters in some places) attacked many times before, they even tried to knock down the wtc in 93, than what makes it different this time?
bellijklh 1 day ago 2
@ComicPenius did the government gain from 9/11? hell yeah. do i think they knew and let it happen? not likely but you have the right to think otherwise. do i think they rigged the buildings with explosives, faked phone calls and aired images of planes hitting the wtc live with the help of major news channels and actors pretending to be witnesses? you know the answer.
bellijklh 1 day ago
@bellijklh Yeah these people are retarded losers. Simple as that. Some say the planes were remote controlled too and then a missile hit the Pentagon -passengers on board the flights were whisked away and executed to never be seen again. Fake phone calls were made to family members. People just get enjoyment thinking everything's the governments fault. There's no evidence for any of the conspiracies it's all lies even the chief of police of NY said it wasn't an inside job.
longhairsRcool 1 day ago
@bellijklh , the plan/attack was real, planes did hit the WTC, calls were real, I'm only discussing that it was not the plan of some towel heads in caves with box cutters took over two planes full of American's and hit 2 towers and.. 3 fell??(building 7)
it's just the type of things our Gov does / Gulf of tonkin/Pearl harbor/ and so on and so on to enter Wars. I'm Used to being lied to by my Government.
Hate my Government! love my country! USA\\\<3
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lifedeath08 15 hours ago
@bellijklh
RT is weird.
He just talked about some photos of wtc 7 that looked like it was demolished. Everybody has already seen that. It did look like a demolition, because it collapsed from the lower supports failing. The building was damaged and a fire burned all day.
It's just like if I went on tv and said "Hey. You can't seed the Apollo moon landing sites. Therefore it was a conspiracy." But there's an explaination for that. Probed that have orbited the moon do see it.
charlesvan13 12 hours ago
Some one want to explain how survivors of the impact were standing outside the windows on THE SAME FLOOR of the plane?
If there was flames coming out of the plane ( which had burned out after 20 min)
The 3 THREE 3 THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE buildings fell because of controlled demolition
masonTganes 6 days ago
Helloooooo..... when a plane hits a skyscraper its gonna fall down. When it falls it either tips over or, as in this case, falls the way it was designed to do if it should ever fall. and you wonder why the world thinks you are the stupidest and ignorant people on the planet...
TheLordofNorwegians 1 week ago 4
@TheLordofNorwegians
Yes, there are many stupid people here. But as a percentage of the populations, other countries, including yours, have higher rates that believe the conspiracy crap.
klrdotorg 6 days ago
@klrdotorg The twin towers wre built to withstand the impact of a 747. FACT.
The jet fule burnt out 15 minutes after impact. FACT
A building cannot fall PERFECTLY at the rate of gravity without controlled demo. FACT.
WT7 was not hit by a plane. HOW can it ALSO fall at the rate of gravity? Wouldnt THAT building have fallen slower or more sloppy?
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes
WTC was built to withstand a 707. It didn't fall when a bigger plane hit it. It fell after fires burned uncontrolled.
The buildings didn't fall PERFECTLY or at "free fall" FACT
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg the buildings fell perfectly at the rate of gravity. as did building 7.
Scientists say this is impossible wthout controled demo.
masonTganes 5 days ago
@masonTganes
None of the buildings fell at "free-fall". Nearly every post you've made is complete bullshit. I'd think you might question your sources. But you don't.
klrdotorg 5 days ago
@klrdotorg you're and idiot 9/11 was an inside job, take a look at history.
TheMoo1231 5 days ago
@TheMoo1231
Moooooo!! That was a strong argument!!
klrdotorg 4 days ago
@TheLordofNorwegians proof of your engeneering degree or STFU.
r2mferro 5 days ago