she's right, that it is humiliating, though I disagree with the whole "We chose to make less money" stuff but, it is humiliating. It's saying that we, or any minorities are some how less then and in need of special protections
@BodhisattvaBlooming I would agree, except historically they have needed protections. There are still discrepancies between how different groups are treated.
@BodhisattvaBlooming I'm not talking about the issue in the video in particular, and I'm not saying I know what would be the best way to handle the issue.
The only words I see in the amendment are the terms 'persons' and 'citizens'. Meaning, if you are a human being and a citizen of the United States of America, no law shall be made by the State to deny you life, liberty, property, due process, and equal protection of the laws. It makes no distinction between man, woman, black, or white. The only criteria is being a person and an American citizen. And you know what? That's good enough for me.
@AriSparkfist yeah, its fine to murder 100s of thousands of innocent civilians and deny them their right to live - as long as they aren't American ...
14th Amendment: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Actually, responding to her wouldn't be too hard. The 14th Amendment technically protected African Americans' rights in the pre-1960s Jim Crow South. How well did that one work out?
I swear to God it amazes me that all people can think about is characters on the show "hooking up"...do you *really* need to live vicariously through unreal people?
Of course, the counter to the 'it's redundant' argument is, "If it merely reinforces existing legal precedent, what possible harm is there in passing it?" :D
@PeterFormaini forward to 2:50; in gist, she said cuz she is a Republican and she thinks that every time the feds pass a new law it leaves the people with a bit less freedom...
What she says about being humiliated over the perceived need for the ERA demonstrates how each generation subsumes the benefits of past arguments and fights without putting enough effort into respecting the context. When the ERA came out, it was sadly much more necessary than if one were passed today. If Ainsley had been coming into her own as an adult then, she'd have a better understanding as to why the ERA was not an act or tool of humiliation.. That's what Sam should have said.
@amandawiss I agree with you but the fact that it would be considered redundant today works for her argument. It might have been needed years ago but it isn't needed now, laws and society have moved forward so that the ERA doesn't work as it was written.Today's issues are that current laws that deal with sex and gender need to be upheld and that we need to prevent certain laws from being undermined by congress. I think Ainsley understands the historical context.
hilariously, Ainsley forgot to check with the eminent conservatives on this issue, as they would tell her the 14th amendment does no such thing and protects nobody but George Bush voters and white kids applying to the University of Michigan.
I am an unabashed liberal, but this argument makes a great deal of sense. I had never looked at the issue from that point of view. Oh, I'm still a liberal and the Republican record on extending human respect to anyone outside their cabal of rich, privileged, in-bred, white men is remarkably weak, Ms Rice notwithstanding. I rest my case with Sarah Palin.
Ainsley Hayes's argument makes no sense.
Quixote99 2 months ago
@Quixote99 Sexism doesn't make sense. Unnecessary laws don't make sense. Ms. Hayes here, made perfect sense.
streetcrazykenny 2 weeks ago
Ainsley is such a food moche
oceanus881 2 months ago
she's right, that it is humiliating, though I disagree with the whole "We chose to make less money" stuff but, it is humiliating. It's saying that we, or any minorities are some how less then and in need of special protections
BodhisattvaBlooming 2 months ago
@BodhisattvaBlooming I would agree, except historically they have needed protections. There are still discrepancies between how different groups are treated.
DarkEmergence 2 months ago
@BodhisattvaBlooming I'm not talking about the issue in the video in particular, and I'm not saying I know what would be the best way to handle the issue.
DarkEmergence 2 months ago
I want to marry Ainsley now...
anonymous1trgb 6 months ago
Well yes that's all well and good, but the equal rights emendment simply did not work.
BrionyMae 7 months ago
I don't have a tv. Did these two have a romance?
Songsmirth 7 months ago
@Songsmirth Unfortunately not, but I sincerely wish they had.
TokyoSpike 5 months ago
I <3 when he says he is going to be a republican....freakin hilarious!!
sammiespy85 7 months ago
The only words I see in the amendment are the terms 'persons' and 'citizens'. Meaning, if you are a human being and a citizen of the United States of America, no law shall be made by the State to deny you life, liberty, property, due process, and equal protection of the laws. It makes no distinction between man, woman, black, or white. The only criteria is being a person and an American citizen. And you know what? That's good enough for me.
AriSparkfist 7 months ago 7
@AriSparkfist yeah, its fine to murder 100s of thousands of innocent civilians and deny them their right to live - as long as they aren't American ...
pubuman 5 months ago
14th Amendment: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
AriSparkfist 7 months ago
Actually, responding to her wouldn't be too hard. The 14th Amendment technically protected African Americans' rights in the pre-1960s Jim Crow South. How well did that one work out?
cunfuzzed 8 months ago
Awesome! This is a not so often seen take on these kinds of arguments in hollywood or in the media. Goo West Wing!
ty2 8 months ago
She is sexy.
billionaireby16 9 months ago
"IF men were biologically responsible for procreation"? Last time I checked, WE WERE.
DrGregoryHouseIT 9 months ago
"I could have countered that, but I'd already moved on to other things in my head." LOL
YouFyrst 9 months ago 2
I swear to God it amazes me that all people can think about is characters on the show "hooking up"...do you *really* need to live vicariously through unreal people?
svrhodes77 9 months ago
Am I the only one who wanted to see Sam and Ainsley pause in their argument and start making out in the middle of the White House mess.
FedralBI 10 months ago
@FedralBI -- You're absolutely not the only one -- I was just about to post what a shame it was that these two never hooked up on the show.
gabrielladusult 10 months ago
Because Article 14 wasn't handed down to her by a bunch of old white men?
Derp.
ChortortleC 10 months ago
Of course, the counter to the 'it's redundant' argument is, "If it merely reinforces existing legal precedent, what possible harm is there in passing it?" :D
PeterFormaini 11 months ago
@PeterFormaini he already used that down at the kitchen/pantry
ThePizzadawg 11 months ago
@ThePizzadawg Ah - I missed that. What was her response?
PeterFormaini 11 months ago
@PeterFormaini forward to 2:50; in gist, she said cuz she is a Republican and she thinks that every time the feds pass a new law it leaves the people with a bit less freedom...
ThePizzadawg 11 months ago
@ThePizzadawg Ah - thanks. (I should have watched it against first. :D :D)
PeterFormaini 11 months ago
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amandawiss 1 year ago
What she says about being humiliated over the perceived need for the ERA demonstrates how each generation subsumes the benefits of past arguments and fights without putting enough effort into respecting the context. When the ERA came out, it was sadly much more necessary than if one were passed today. If Ainsley had been coming into her own as an adult then, she'd have a better understanding as to why the ERA was not an act or tool of humiliation.. That's what Sam should have said.
amandawiss 1 year ago 4
@amandawiss I agree with you but the fact that it would be considered redundant today works for her argument. It might have been needed years ago but it isn't needed now, laws and society have moved forward so that the ERA doesn't work as it was written.Today's issues are that current laws that deal with sex and gender need to be upheld and that we need to prevent certain laws from being undermined by congress. I think Ainsley understands the historical context.
alcuingaurd 1 year ago
'I thought I may have seen down there, a peach' XD
AvalaDemson 1 year ago
hilariously, Ainsley forgot to check with the eminent conservatives on this issue, as they would tell her the 14th amendment does no such thing and protects nobody but George Bush voters and white kids applying to the University of Michigan.
tommygun514 1 year ago 2
oooooo tat's low!!!! bribing with chinese food
ipekatomang 1 year ago
I am an unabashed liberal, but this argument makes a great deal of sense. I had never looked at the issue from that point of view. Oh, I'm still a liberal and the Republican record on extending human respect to anyone outside their cabal of rich, privileged, in-bred, white men is remarkably weak, Ms Rice notwithstanding. I rest my case with Sarah Palin.
Kaalec 1 year ago 2
She did own it... but it's actually the 14th Amendment not Article 14 (which doesn't even exist)
bdrexler 1 year ago
@bdrexler It's short for "Article of Amendment" in that context.
rhodes234523 1 year ago
Oh how I miss the West Wing and its brilliance!
BetaArtemis 1 year ago
"the same article 14 that protects you, protects me. And I went to law school, just to make sure." OWN IT.
taloolamay 1 year ago 38
@taloolamay Sadly, according to Scalia, this isn't trie.
Kristenb615 1 year ago
@taloolamay Sadly, according to Scalia, this isn't true.
Kristenb615 1 year ago 2
@taloolamay Twas inspiring. The only problem I have is that the 14th Amendment never got in the way of radical Christians and their "gender roles."
MrJournalist91 4 months ago
@taloolamay I love her, but it's not "Article 14." It's the "Fourteenth Amendment." The writer's screwed it up.
JCGrantatAC 3 months ago
@JCGrantatAC writers*
JCGrantatAC 3 months ago
She owned Sam on that one :-)
AirbusA380Rocks 1 year ago
"We also like beef."
:-)
cshubs 1 year ago 15
Thank you, sanjuktam. I was hoping I'd find this today. You posted it just in time. *smiles*
PaperbackWizard 1 year ago
@PaperbackWizard Hey, you're welcome! I might post a better quality one, I think this is the iPod quality vid.
sanjuktam 1 year ago