What a shame for what it used to be the land of Oportunity. I'm usually conservative in the economics aspects, but there's no way I can relate to the modern American Right Wing, hickjacked by religious fanatics.
In other words: I never left the party, the party left me :C
I would have argued, that when you outsource your industry to other countries, research follows. But then, the UK is still doing well. So yeah, evangelical christians are probably to blame.
Creationism, 9/11 truth, global warming denialism, vaccines causing autism....we might not be doing much scientific research, but we're a world leader in crackpot conspiracy theories!
I expect at least one reply from a true believer in one of the above idiocies to tell me about some "researcher" who has "proof" I haven't seen.
I like your videos but we don't say Eastern or Western Europe any more. we consider both terms offensive, obsolete and if someone uses it, it can only give the impression that the person is an ignorant. Please avoid it.
I agree that science funding has decreased in America, but I wonder if a lot of that growth in non-US publications is due to the explosion in smaller online peer-reviewed journals that have little to no impact. Probably a better measure would be impact factor or $ in R&D.
"Mooorrphhhhhhhhhhhhh|" I just like the way he says that.
I have to say, even though the region I am from shrinks on that map, I'm glad pretty much any area is shown growing, my fear is for everywhere around the world to shrink or stop. Maybe North America doesn't have to be the leader, maybe its okay for Europe or Japan to be, so long as people are hard at work out there.
Can someone point me to the raw data so I can run the numbers based on "per person" instead of on "per acre"? I'm not sure why Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks acreage is more important than people, but I'd like a look that doesn't make less overpopulated countries and continents look like bad in comparison.
@suoq it has nothing to do with acreage really. It's just a visual representation of the trend in total published papers. The change reflects a reduction/growth according to that trend, the countries' initial areas are not important
Proud to be Belgian not visible on map 1 but standing out nicely in map 2 and 3, and it would be the same if you where to use population as base line.
consider the degree of outsourcing over the last couple of decades by technology companies like IBM and then ask why this may be happening. Consider the negative influence by religious zealotry on vital areas of study such as stem cell research. It is no wonder why science is abandoning the US in favor of open investments by emerging economies. Stupid Americans.
@Frederiksen78 I hear ya. I don't mean for people to lose hope or to put America down. It's just that I'm a firm believer in tough love. So this video should serve as a wake up call, a call to arms, a swift kick in the ass.
First: Get the fucking jeezoids out of public office. This won't happen overnight, but they are the biggest obstacle to improving ANY kind of education at all. They have to go.
Second: Create a set of NATIONAL science standards like those of California (which currently has the best science programme of all 50 states).
Third: Get creationist "science" teachers out of the classroom and replace them with teachers who actually know their subject.
But in all seriousness, the US seems to be losing its role as the technological, scientific, economic, and political powerhouse of the world. We're just a military empire now. Kudos to Western Europe and Japan! Hopefully, I can contribute to these statistics, though I'm most likely to move to Europe for a few years, so I guess I won't be contributing much to my fellow Americans, unfortunately.
Okey, I may be Swedish and drunk, but I repeat myself... But what if you guys in the USA scrapped one aircraft carrier and used that money for science stuff instead?
@CBMaster2 you're stupid, science is key to development whether it'd be technological or medical or what not. Don't matter how big a population is if they are getting out done in all those aspects of science because I say again, science is key to development. Think about what you write before you say something CBMaster2 or shall I say CockBlockingMaster2
@GoldenChokohate Dude, you are stupid. All I said is if a country is really big (like Canada, Autralia, etc.) with only 3000 people and every person has multiple PHDs in science fields, the country will still appear small on neil's map, simply because his map compares the size of the country vs people in the country that does science. It should be number of people in the country vs people in the country that does science...
@RejechtedGaming Those are unrelated to what I'm talking about, but wars, yes. Barack Obama's healthcare plan. Oh look at all of our free health-care in America.
The US dropped from 26% to 21% in terms of total scientific published output in the last 10 years. Proof: Look up "Knowledge, Network, and Nations" by the Royal Society.
Neil Tyson is useless for everything but basic science and being fascinated with everything.
@oldenough1993 I don't want to defend, but the US actually *increased* its scientific publications during that period (modestly), and *increased* its funding (modestly). The story here isn't of a faltering US as much as it of a developing world that is now engaging in scientific research to a much greater extent.
Don't get me wrong. I think the US should continue to invest in science, and increase funding etc. But it isn't a horse race. We should be happy to be joined in the endeavor.
@halavais its nice to have an upbeat outlook, but advances in science also mean patents and commercialization of scientific findings... we'll likely end up needing/forced to buy from whoever does the most (useful) science.
@WereTiggy It's not a great situation but it''s not as bad as it seems for Canada. Our population is very small compared to our land area so the relative size of the maps are a little skewed. The amount of science we're doing isn't very high, but the quality of science research is very high. Many landmark studies and programs take place in Canada.
As much as I love Tyson, this comparison is just stupid. He's comparing in surface area, when he should be comparing per capita. Countries like Canda don't stand a chance like this, with their low population.
Countries like The Netherlands are freaking huge, not only because they do a lot of science work (they do) but also because it's one of the most densily populated countries in the entire world.
Compare per capita, then we talk. And I'm Dutch, so I'm playing the devil's advocate here.
@YouJelly21 It's research output, total, not by surface area or per capita or what have you. Otherwise Australia is doing absolutely insane amounts of research, considering our population density is even lower than Canada's
That's right, but since we generally think of maps as depicting physical space (and Tyson is highlighting this by showing the difference from the "regular" map) it creates a false comparison. Australia "shrinks" despite the fact that it has tremendous science production per capita. Japan "grows" in large part because of its population density.
Had he started with a map that represented POPULATION and not LAND MASS, it would at least be closer to sensible.
@Ashitaka255 Funding in the US: $312,535 million. China: $93,992 . Funding and publication are not the same thing. (Yes, we should fund more, but we currently fund more than any other country...)
This is a really strange way to present this data: scientific publication per acre? At the very least, do it per person. Japan blows up because they have a population of nearly half that of the US, in a country that is roughly the size of California. OF COURSE they will have a scientific output disproportionate to their land mass.
It doesn't disprove the point, but it certainly makes it far less compelling, and makes me wonder if he thinks we are idiots.
@SlothsILike absolutely... even if it were based on e.g. per capita, the netherlands would come out a head of densly populated nigeria, mexico, etc (maybe even india). one should wonder though is "why" europe/east asia is bigger than say s. america, africa.... racism? poverty?.. iq??...
@halavais It's not per acre, it's total scientifcic pubs per country. The countries are then "resized" relative to the total number of pubs worldwide.
@pvtodorov Tyson is showing the delta between (in the first map) land mass and (in the second map) published output. That's why Japan and SK grow so much. He then HIGHLIGHTS how big Japan is. It only seems that way in comparison to its land mass.
Yes, they also publish a lot of research, but it's conflated with their population density. That's why a map is a poor way of representing these data--and I would go so far as to say a misleading way.
We in the west ahve a lot of money compared to the likes of China, we really need to make science more financially rewarding. Once I become supreme dictator of the world I will make sure scientists are given a fair share of the pie.
I love Neil, but who cares about where the most science is done? I would have liked to hear from him that the overall practice of science has increased throughout the world, because that's what matters the most.
@vincentpol Because there isn't one body governing the whole world is there? Over the years, our government has become more fiscally conservative. That's not to say we've stayed the same. We've just progressed in the wrong direction. Borders keep us locked in this black hole of science. Sure, it's great to have a broad world-view, but the facts are, we live in these borders, and we need to be great. America has become too anti-science, and it's looking pretty bleak.
@ANONONTHEJEWTUBE If you want a better future for you and your children you need to first shake off the idea that your country is so great, just because you were born between those borders. I'm sorry, but that's just a left over dark age mentality. If we all did 1/10 of the science today, those charts would remain the same now wouldn't it? Distribution is pointless. I understand Neil's intentions though. US should open more resources for science, because it has them.
@ANONONTHEJEWTUBE More fiscally conservative. So the trillions we've spent on the wars in the middle east and Obamacare qualify as conservative in your opinion?
@RejechtedGaming i don't really see how those are comparable... i mean one is for the good of the people and one is clearly not... one keeps the workforce healthy and one sends them to die...
@rallpwrfull My point is that fiscal conservatism usually equates to less government intervention and less spending overall, which we are currently failing pretty hard at
NZ gets bigger, Australia gets smaller. I guess it's true then, when New Zealanders move to Australia it really does raise the average IQ of both countries.
peymaania your comment hit's the nail on the head, EXCEPT those people are not lazy. A lot of them work their asses off on wall street. The problem is that science in the U.S. is not as incentivized as it should be.
A closely related problem is that the U.S. needs to pay grad school teachers more money IN ADDITION TO increasing the standard for hiring grade school teachers.
Come on son, get your act together yo. We all look up to you, stop dragging yo feet and start kicking ass. You could do so much if you got your shit together, but it's a sad truth that the most outspoken American's are, for the vast majority, complete ignorant retards.
for your average man, i'd rather be concentrated on making a comfortable living. I am pro science of course, but doesn't necessarily mean i want to do science.
@1992bfitz That's a good point, Japan would be much smaller and New Zealand would be taking the world by storm. Only 5 million people and they're enlarging the country in both maps anyway.
@tezropunkel I'm Australian and I give many fucks about this. Go back to your anti intellectual, commodore driving, techno blaring, cheap beer drinking lifestyle of ignorance.
@SupermarketsRevil Wait mate, I meant the level of OZ science is pretty huge, and there is positive dynamics in growth. Of course EU, Japan and China science growth is huge, but since 2000 there is no drop off, comparing to US. So I didn't mean to insult Australia by any mean. Btw, I'm an engineer and moving to Adelaide in February.
@tezropunkel Glad to hear you actually value science. Nevertheless, a dangerously large portion of the Australian population are scientifically illiterate and still hold harmful and baseless beliefs like denial of the facts of global warming and evolution, and many still believe that our universe was 'created' by a magical sky-daddy and they think that morality comes from an old fairy tale.
@tezropunkel Sounds like Russians have more in common with Americans than they thought. On the bright side, I hear there are a respectable proportion of Russians who are not happy with a current leadership, which is in stark contrast to the largely apathetic American (and on that note, Australian) population.
@SupermarketsRevil Nowadays almost half of the population wants current leaders to be hung on the ropes and divided into several pieces. Latest protests spoke for themselves. If Putin is the next president — there will be bloody revolution. And by bloody, I mean bloody.
@yurianne07 Denial of facts and high levels of religiosity go hand in hand. To hold religious beliefs you need to either be A) unintelligent B) uneducated C) highly compartmentalised in your understanding of the world around you and the application of logic and the scientific process.
@Ryantron9000 In the US, the National Academy of Sciences has ~7% of members that believe in some kind of 'god'. In the Royal Society of fellows that figure is 3.3%.
One example that illustrates how cognitive style (i.e. hurr durr i have faith vs critical thinking) affects religiosity is:
@SupermarketsRevil In addition to empirical evidence demonstrating an inverse relationship between religiosity and intelligence, it is entirely possible to draw conclusions about the mindset of religious people simply from a philosophical perspective.
Q. Are theists rational? Well, what do they believe? That something exists outside of the natural universe? AND they claim to know very specific details of that thing WITHOUT evidence? haha oh wow.
@SupermarketsRevil hahahahahaha why do you have to use so many filler words to get your point across. you are not convincing anyone you are smart. btw you just replied to yourself
And there's Brazil with its aerospace industry, kicking in there...
=')
pedrohissa3 6 days ago
It's not how big you are, it's how you use it. Asia 1 - Africa 0
medevor007 2 weeks ago
России тут почти ж то нету, спасибо Путину за это :\
noobyfromhell 2 weeks ago
Proud to American with a science-based Ph.D. Working hard at science advocacy for the benefit of all humanity.
chrisirwindavis 3 weeks ago
Even Mexico is growing! They're not a science powerhouse tough, but c'mon! Mexico? Mexico is growing and America is shrinking?
TheAnthonygalt 3 weeks ago
What a shame for what it used to be the land of Oportunity. I'm usually conservative in the economics aspects, but there's no way I can relate to the modern American Right Wing, hickjacked by religious fanatics.
In other words: I never left the party, the party left me :C
TheAnthonygalt 3 weeks ago
Proud to be Swiss :D
ThreeLions89 4 weeks ago
What does America know about? Television, business and war LOL
Franktheman149 4 weeks ago
And there you go... thank you for posting this... I've screaming this at everyone who will listen for years now.
drnekodr 4 weeks ago
I would have argued, that when you outsource your industry to other countries, research follows. But then, the UK is still doing well. So yeah, evangelical christians are probably to blame.
EquinoxIV 1 month ago
Creationism, 9/11 truth, global warming denialism, vaccines causing autism....we might not be doing much scientific research, but we're a world leader in crackpot conspiracy theories!
I expect at least one reply from a true believer in one of the above idiocies to tell me about some "researcher" who has "proof" I haven't seen.
ianat841 1 month ago
this is what happens when the people we elect only need to have a background in law or theology
thing188 1 month ago 3
we slowly fade.
DjDedan 1 month ago
The US is being overrun by religious neanderthals.
nonsuchfabio 1 month ago 6
@nonsuchfabio whooooo Teabaggers
vaporcobra 1 month ago
@nonsuchfabio
Jeezoids are no better than the crazy muslims who blow things up and kill people. Abrahamic religions are truly the fruits of a poison tree.
FionnMcCumhail 2 weeks ago
Notice how everything went to hell after Pluto was stripped of its status.
Coincidence? I think not.
SgtHydra 1 month ago 2
Whoa, Spain increased rather well in the ten years.
Bedinsis 1 month ago
@rejedef: Actually, we don't consider it offensive. Nor is it an obsolete distinction. It is daily used all over Europe.
jcstrabo 1 month ago
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I like your videos but we don't say Eastern or Western Europe any more. we consider both terms offensive, obsolete and if someone uses it, it can only give the impression that the person is an ignorant. Please avoid it.
rejedef 1 month ago
This video is great, but I think he says morph in a strange way.
munchie64 1 month ago
I agree that science funding has decreased in America, but I wonder if a lot of that growth in non-US publications is due to the explosion in smaller online peer-reviewed journals that have little to no impact. Probably a better measure would be impact factor or $ in R&D.
microtubules 1 month ago
"Mooorrphhhhhhhhhhhhh|" I just like the way he says that.
I have to say, even though the region I am from shrinks on that map, I'm glad pretty much any area is shown growing, my fear is for everywhere around the world to shrink or stop. Maybe North America doesn't have to be the leader, maybe its okay for Europe or Japan to be, so long as people are hard at work out there.
ZolRing 1 month ago
hahah
Tyson - What country is that?
Audience - "Spaaii......."
Tyson - "JAPAN!"
laxsta627 1 month ago 2
@laxsta627 They (and I) were looking at Europe. The purple thing there was actually France.
piderman 1 month ago
mexico is growing :)
Odyssey00 1 month ago
Heres a little run down of my google researching:
Published Science Paper per 1000 people:
US: 9
England: 14
France: 8
Germany: 8
Japan: 9
Canada: 11
Something like that, I dont know how accurate these sources are, but Tyson is stupid for not measuring per capita
gillpatrick 1 month ago
stop making weapons
elpagna 1 month ago
Can someone point me to the raw data so I can run the numbers based on "per person" instead of on "per acre"? I'm not sure why Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks acreage is more important than people, but I'd like a look that doesn't make less overpopulated countries and continents look like bad in comparison.
suoq 1 month ago
@suoq it has nothing to do with acreage really. It's just a visual representation of the trend in total published papers. The change reflects a reduction/growth according to that trend, the countries' initial areas are not important
BR1NSOP 1 month ago
Proud to be Belgian not visible on map 1 but standing out nicely in map 2 and 3, and it would be the same if you where to use population as base line.
lawfuIneutral 1 month ago
wooo go england!
Nemostor 1 month ago 4
Fuck yeah Australia
STEIN89 1 month ago
This never would have happened if Mr. Wizard was still alive.
sc456a 1 month ago
consider the degree of outsourcing over the last couple of decades by technology companies like IBM and then ask why this may be happening. Consider the negative influence by religious zealotry on vital areas of study such as stem cell research. It is no wonder why science is abandoning the US in favor of open investments by emerging economies. Stupid Americans.
perfectbark 1 month ago
It was with mingled feelings that I clicked "Like" on this video, because I don't like it at all :-(
Frederiksen78 1 month ago 11
@Frederiksen78 I hear ya. I don't mean for people to lose hope or to put America down. It's just that I'm a firm believer in tough love. So this video should serve as a wake up call, a call to arms, a swift kick in the ass.
aroblesCG 1 month ago 8
@aroblesCG
First: Get the fucking jeezoids out of public office. This won't happen overnight, but they are the biggest obstacle to improving ANY kind of education at all. They have to go.
Second: Create a set of NATIONAL science standards like those of California (which currently has the best science programme of all 50 states).
Third: Get creationist "science" teachers out of the classroom and replace them with teachers who actually know their subject.
FionnMcCumhail 2 weeks ago
Yeah, this was posted on my birthday!!!
But in all seriousness, the US seems to be losing its role as the technological, scientific, economic, and political powerhouse of the world. We're just a military empire now. Kudos to Western Europe and Japan! Hopefully, I can contribute to these statistics, though I'm most likely to move to Europe for a few years, so I guess I won't be contributing much to my fellow Americans, unfortunately.
rhinnawi95 1 month ago
of course Tyson feels for Africa
DERFVEDA 1 month ago
Who knew... Africa could do even worse as it did before.
I feel so sorry about those guys
marvincontendo 1 month ago
His voice reminds me of Seth Rogen haha
Salger12 2 months ago
Proud to be swedish as always.
RatatoskSkandinavien 2 months ago 28
@RatatoskSkandinavien oh yeahhh!
MicroHive 1 month ago
@RatatoskSkandinavien Proud to be Finnish. :D
MrDrummer95 2 weeks ago
Poor Africa.
ErichoTTA 2 months ago
@ErichoTTA agreed, poor africa!
munherpes 2 months ago
Today, 22% of all American children are considered poor. Just saying...
LessChess 2 months ago
Okey, I may be Swedish and drunk, but I repeat myself... But what if you guys in the USA scrapped one aircraft carrier and used that money for science stuff instead?
Apeshaft 2 months ago
Those charts are ridiculously flawed as everyone here has pointed out. But people dig colourful bullshit like this so they're not gonna question it
abxyg 2 months ago
this video doesn't slowly fade. It finishes abruptly.
Kadda67 2 months ago 2
This is stupid... countries with a low population will be small no matter how much percentage of the population does science...
CBMaster2 2 months ago
@CBMaster2 you're stupid, science is key to development whether it'd be technological or medical or what not. Don't matter how big a population is if they are getting out done in all those aspects of science because I say again, science is key to development. Think about what you write before you say something CBMaster2 or shall I say CockBlockingMaster2
GoldenChokohate 1 month ago
@GoldenChokohate Dude, you are stupid. All I said is if a country is really big (like Canada, Autralia, etc.) with only 3000 people and every person has multiple PHDs in science fields, the country will still appear small on neil's map, simply because his map compares the size of the country vs people in the country that does science. It should be number of people in the country vs people in the country that does science...
CBMaster2 1 month ago
@CBMaster2
Neill himself pointed out that the distortions were based on how much the countries scientific output CHANGED, not the population doing science.
FionnMcCumhail 2 weeks ago
Where did Africa go?
BastardMan91 2 months ago
@BastardMan91
Africa hardly does science at all.
FionnMcCumhail 2 weeks ago
@RejechtedGaming Those are unrelated to what I'm talking about, but wars, yes. Barack Obama's healthcare plan. Oh look at all of our free health-care in America.
ANONONTHEJEWTUBE 2 months ago
I'm from Africa, and I'll just go cry myself till I shrink in the corner.
san9afis 2 months ago
@san9afis dont worry africa has "natural resources"... bfd. i think this tyson guy meant "human capital"...
yurianne07 2 months ago
@san9afis its okay, you guys still have really cool wildlife.
mattrR678 1 month ago
JB's penis is the size of the Africa in the video.
Shotgunnerhell 2 months ago
It's nice to see the Falkland Islands punching above their weight
nh3000 2 months ago
0:20 Neil says, "MOARFFFF"
stebbi94 2 months ago
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Chaowdur 2 months ago
@Chaowdur wrong
alexyoshi 2 months ago
@Chaowdur Troll or bad at geography?
utsuro72ajmb 2 months ago
@Chaowdur Big purple thing is Japan, it's just that South Korea and China are the same colour with North Korea shrinking to nothing between them.
Quantemic 2 months ago
The US dropped from 26% to 21% in terms of total scientific published output in the last 10 years. Proof: Look up "Knowledge, Network, and Nations" by the Royal Society.
Neil Tyson is useless for everything but basic science and being fascinated with everything.
oldenough1993 2 months ago
@oldenough1993 I don't want to defend, but the US actually *increased* its scientific publications during that period (modestly), and *increased* its funding (modestly). The story here isn't of a faltering US as much as it of a developing world that is now engaging in scientific research to a much greater extent.
Don't get me wrong. I think the US should continue to invest in science, and increase funding etc. But it isn't a horse race. We should be happy to be joined in the endeavor.
halavais 2 months ago
@halavais Agreed, this is incredibly misleading.
altectechy 2 months ago
@halavais its nice to have an upbeat outlook, but advances in science also mean patents and commercialization of scientific findings... we'll likely end up needing/forced to buy from whoever does the most (useful) science.
yurianne07 2 months ago
WTF Canada? I swear we just developed means of preventing HIV so I'm cool with that.
kmo89 2 months ago 4
Well guess that's what greed gives you USA. Well at least some of you got a shit load of money and Jesus.
Pellepluttskrutt 2 months ago
@Pellepluttskrutt
Fuck jesus. Money is nice, though.
FionnMcCumhail 2 weeks ago
Yeahhhh Holland one of the biggest countries in the world!
N4ll1fy 2 months ago 2
This makes me embarassed to be Canadian.
WereTiggy 2 months ago 45
@WereTiggy We were about the size of Africa :( I mean, come on!
PatricktheDoody 2 months ago
@WereTiggy It's not a great situation but it''s not as bad as it seems for Canada. Our population is very small compared to our land area so the relative size of the maps are a little skewed. The amount of science we're doing isn't very high, but the quality of science research is very high. Many landmark studies and programs take place in Canada.
vicksoma 2 months ago
@WereTiggy I'm mexican... I want to cry...
amaurycanales 2 months ago
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omgitsfreakenrobert 2 months ago
@WereTiggy Moral of the story, this is load.
omgitsfreakenrobert 2 months ago
@WereTiggy To be fair, we're a big country with not too many people.
Whanhee 1 month ago
As much as I love Tyson, this comparison is just stupid. He's comparing in surface area, when he should be comparing per capita. Countries like Canda don't stand a chance like this, with their low population.
Countries like The Netherlands are freaking huge, not only because they do a lot of science work (they do) but also because it's one of the most densily populated countries in the entire world.
Compare per capita, then we talk. And I'm Dutch, so I'm playing the devil's advocate here.
YouJelly21 2 months ago
@YouJelly21 There are other countries on the map besides yours buddy, that are a lot smaller.
nazi8per 2 months ago
@YouJelly21 It's research output, total, not by surface area or per capita or what have you. Otherwise Australia is doing absolutely insane amounts of research, considering our population density is even lower than Canada's
JoanuMostrafta 2 months ago
lol@the netherlands... tiny fuking country, major science research.
TTMProductionsZ 2 months ago
neh...Photoshoped
LOL
mahirjd 2 months ago
@SlothsILike
That's right, but since we generally think of maps as depicting physical space (and Tyson is highlighting this by showing the difference from the "regular" map) it creates a false comparison. Australia "shrinks" despite the fact that it has tremendous science production per capita. Japan "grows" in large part because of its population density.
Had he started with a map that represented POPULATION and not LAND MASS, it would at least be closer to sensible.
halavais 2 months ago
cure hipster faggotry: MANHOOD101. COM
thenfm 2 months ago
ha.. I love how our tiny country The Netherlands IS CLEARLY VISIBLE in both maps.
coz752 2 months ago
fucking love this guy
ducktapedude 2 months ago
@Ashitaka255 Funding in the US: $312,535 million. China: $93,992 . Funding and publication are not the same thing. (Yes, we should fund more, but we currently fund more than any other country...)
halavais 2 months ago
@peymaania And the research that is done currently is only done to support monetary objectives.
There are many cures and treatments not being pursued or developed because there is little money to be made.
Many discoveries on the precipice, but no resources to continue.
This is about pushing the limits of human knowledge. All society comes from human knowledge. Greater knowledge=Greater Society.
We have failed.
Humanity Fail 2012
nornerator 2 months ago
This is a really strange way to present this data: scientific publication per acre? At the very least, do it per person. Japan blows up because they have a population of nearly half that of the US, in a country that is roughly the size of California. OF COURSE they will have a scientific output disproportionate to their land mass.
It doesn't disprove the point, but it certainly makes it far less compelling, and makes me wonder if he thinks we are idiots.
halavais 2 months ago 3
@halavais
You misunderstand this graph. This is not about science/head or science/acre but how much science a country overall does.
SlothsILike 2 months ago
@SlothsILike absolutely... even if it were based on e.g. per capita, the netherlands would come out a head of densly populated nigeria, mexico, etc (maybe even india). one should wonder though is "why" europe/east asia is bigger than say s. america, africa.... racism? poverty?.. iq??...
yurianne07 2 months ago
@halavais It's not per acre, it's total scientifcic pubs per country. The countries are then "resized" relative to the total number of pubs worldwide.
pvtodorov 2 months ago
@pvtodorov Tyson is showing the delta between (in the first map) land mass and (in the second map) published output. That's why Japan and SK grow so much. He then HIGHLIGHTS how big Japan is. It only seems that way in comparison to its land mass.
Yes, they also publish a lot of research, but it's conflated with their population density. That's why a map is a poor way of representing these data--and I would go so far as to say a misleading way.
halavais 2 months ago
fuck yeah netherlands!!
MARAin3rror 2 months ago
thats cuz most americans are anti-science and pro-god... its so fucking sad.
AnonymousKdub 2 months ago 3
We in the west ahve a lot of money compared to the likes of China, we really need to make science more financially rewarding. Once I become supreme dictator of the world I will make sure scientists are given a fair share of the pie.
Ashitaka255 2 months ago
Maybe a more developed country does not need to do its own science anymore? Perhaps the money makers on Wall Street are the next step?
Broden124 2 months ago
Proud to be English. One fifth the population of the USA, and just half of the size in science research.
TheDimmerster 2 months ago 21
Watch out we have a badass here
y1617 2 months ago
We as in the empire we. We as in the collapsing empire. We as in the empire that prints money to expands but only dies from within. We.
kurtu5 2 months ago
sad and choking, I feel disgusted america...
gloomyowl1 2 months ago
I'd rather see this in a chart or the actual numbers these morphing blobs are based on
llikwidsound 2 months ago
US is becoming the new China! :D
sweYoda2 2 months ago
I love Neil, but who cares about where the most science is done? I would have liked to hear from him that the overall practice of science has increased throughout the world, because that's what matters the most.
vincentpol 2 months ago
@vincentpol Because there isn't one body governing the whole world is there? Over the years, our government has become more fiscally conservative. That's not to say we've stayed the same. We've just progressed in the wrong direction. Borders keep us locked in this black hole of science. Sure, it's great to have a broad world-view, but the facts are, we live in these borders, and we need to be great. America has become too anti-science, and it's looking pretty bleak.
ANONONTHEJEWTUBE 2 months ago
@ANONONTHEJEWTUBE If you want a better future for you and your children you need to first shake off the idea that your country is so great, just because you were born between those borders. I'm sorry, but that's just a left over dark age mentality. If we all did 1/10 of the science today, those charts would remain the same now wouldn't it? Distribution is pointless. I understand Neil's intentions though. US should open more resources for science, because it has them.
vincentpol 2 months ago
@ANONONTHEJEWTUBE More fiscally conservative. So the trillions we've spent on the wars in the middle east and Obamacare qualify as conservative in your opinion?
RejechtedGaming 2 months ago
@RejechtedGaming i don't really see how those are comparable... i mean one is for the good of the people and one is clearly not... one keeps the workforce healthy and one sends them to die...
rallpwrfull 2 months ago
@rallpwrfull My point is that fiscal conservatism usually equates to less government intervention and less spending overall, which we are currently failing pretty hard at
RejechtedGaming 2 months ago
@RejechtedGaming then you didn't do a great job at making your point.
rallpwrfull 2 months ago
@vincentpol The point is that less science is being done in the US when the resources are there and going to other things.
pvtodorov 2 months ago
@pvtodorov Can't argue with you there.
vincentpol 2 months ago
@pvtodorov
Like running an empire and that long running failure called the "war on drugs"?
FionnMcCumhail 2 weeks ago
NZ gets bigger, Australia gets smaller. I guess it's true then, when New Zealanders move to Australia it really does raise the average IQ of both countries.
acynicalgentleman 2 months ago
@acynicalgentleman
So you are saying that only dumb New Zealanders move to Australia?
FionnMcCumhail 2 weeks ago
@FionnMcCumhail It's a quote from Robert Muldoon. It just happens to be correct.
acynicalgentleman 2 weeks ago
Praise Jesus
Nancysissypants 2 months ago
@Nancysissypants
Fuck jesus. He's the reason we're in this mess.
FionnMcCumhail 2 weeks ago
sorry, that should read grade school teachers
jddicapua 2 months ago
peymaania your comment hit's the nail on the head, EXCEPT those people are not lazy. A lot of them work their asses off on wall street. The problem is that science in the U.S. is not as incentivized as it should be.
A closely related problem is that the U.S. needs to pay grad school teachers more money IN ADDITION TO increasing the standard for hiring grade school teachers.
jddicapua 2 months ago
Why do they laugh at Africa at the second map?
NoNaMe59424 2 months ago
The UK is frikkin huge
SXPandaPwnage 2 months ago
America
Come on son, get your act together yo. We all look up to you, stop dragging yo feet and start kicking ass. You could do so much if you got your shit together, but it's a sad truth that the most outspoken American's are, for the vast majority, complete ignorant retards.
lankygit101 2 months ago
Thanks for mentioning Australia and New Zealand
strangnesium 2 months ago
@strangnesium Australia's kind of lagging behind while NZ doubles in size. Didn't we already know that was going to happen?
acynicalgentleman 2 months ago
retards dont need science
Forehando 2 months ago
@peymaania
for your average man, i'd rather be concentrated on making a comfortable living. I am pro science of course, but doesn't necessarily mean i want to do science.
danielyeh 2 months ago
For being such a small country, the Netherlands is pretty huge on this map!
Jaedysomn 2 months ago 2
you mad US? :)
artemeeb 2 months ago
Source
worldmapper
izaccy 2 months ago
Wow you can see the Netherlands on this map, it's huge in comparison to how big it is in reality. I'm happy to live in Europe.
omglucky 2 months ago
Can't really fight a national war on intellectualism and expect to do well in science.
MiloDaemon 2 months ago
@MiloDaemon Well, if we stopped fucking having wars, that wouldn't be a problem, would it?
bleachzeldakid 2 months ago
@bleachzeldakid That'd be good.
MiloDaemon 2 months ago
Yeah, little Australia down there, keep publishing moar papers :)
thedubstep0 2 months ago
Id like to see the map done by population rather than area. Probably would end up a similar map but still.
barisaxman2 2 months ago
@barisaxman2 the UK would be twice the size of Canada ;)
xMunchers 2 months ago
3, 4 and 9 for the different maps.
FBIPacker 2 months ago
Nice to see Australia and New Zealand make a significant showing in both maps.
alexpnz 2 months ago 22
@alexpnz Well, Australia making a significant shrinkage.
acynicalgentleman 2 months ago
He should have done one based on per capita peer reviewed science. Australia I hope would have no doubt been larger.
1992bfitz 2 months ago
@1992bfitz That's a good point, Japan would be much smaller and New Zealand would be taking the world by storm. Only 5 million people and they're enlarging the country in both maps anyway.
acynicalgentleman 2 months ago
@1992bfitz And the Netherlands would have eclipsed all.
pvtodorov 2 months ago
European here. FUCK YEAH!
Well done, Asian people, well done.
megahypersuperhero 2 months ago
Sheesh, I know Canada has a much smaller population, but we pretty much disappeared from that last graph. sad.
DrSaxxy 2 months ago
@DrSaxxy I know right? I don't think I get to make fun of America as much anymore...
qwertishly 2 months ago
@qwertishly time to move on
mypetridish 2 months ago
@DrSaxxy
Turns out humping moose isn't science any more ;(
fr0nage 2 months ago
@peymaania
how is making "lots of money" and "lazy" related?
apastrat 2 months ago
Fuck yeah México is better than the USA in one thing! (crime rate non-withstanding)
DINGOlord 2 months ago
Number of fucks were given by Australia — 0.
tezropunkel 2 months ago
@tezropunkel I'm Australian and I give many fucks about this. Go back to your anti intellectual, commodore driving, techno blaring, cheap beer drinking lifestyle of ignorance.
SupermarketsRevil 2 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil Wait mate, I meant the level of OZ science is pretty huge, and there is positive dynamics in growth. Of course EU, Japan and China science growth is huge, but since 2000 there is no drop off, comparing to US. So I didn't mean to insult Australia by any mean. Btw, I'm an engineer and moving to Adelaide in February.
tezropunkel 2 months ago
@tezropunkel Glad to hear you actually value science. Nevertheless, a dangerously large portion of the Australian population are scientifically illiterate and still hold harmful and baseless beliefs like denial of the facts of global warming and evolution, and many still believe that our universe was 'created' by a magical sky-daddy and they think that morality comes from an old fairy tale.
SupermarketsRevil 2 months ago 3
@SupermarketsRevil Jesus. You've just described 97% of Russia...
tezropunkel 2 months ago
@tezropunkel Sounds like Russians have more in common with Americans than they thought. On the bright side, I hear there are a respectable proportion of Russians who are not happy with a current leadership, which is in stark contrast to the largely apathetic American (and on that note, Australian) population.
SupermarketsRevil 2 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil Nowadays almost half of the population wants current leaders to be hung on the ropes and divided into several pieces. Latest protests spoke for themselves. If Putin is the next president — there will be bloody revolution. And by bloody, I mean bloody.
tezropunkel 2 months ago
@tezropunkel meaningless and merciless, as usual.
smartello87 2 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil is it really "denial of facts"/science illiteracy or maybe high underlying religiousness?
yurianne07 2 months ago
@yurianne07 Denial of facts and high levels of religiosity go hand in hand. To hold religious beliefs you need to either be A) unintelligent B) uneducated C) highly compartmentalised in your understanding of the world around you and the application of logic and the scientific process.
SupermarketsRevil 2 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil
Please cite a source for that statement.
Ryantron9000 2 months ago
@Ryantron9000 In the US, the National Academy of Sciences has ~7% of members that believe in some kind of 'god'. In the Royal Society of fellows that figure is 3.3%.
One example that illustrates how cognitive style (i.e. hurr durr i have faith vs critical thinking) affects religiosity is:
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SupermarketsRevil 2 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil In addition to empirical evidence demonstrating an inverse relationship between religiosity and intelligence, it is entirely possible to draw conclusions about the mindset of religious people simply from a philosophical perspective.
Q. Are theists rational? Well, what do they believe? That something exists outside of the natural universe? AND they claim to know very specific details of that thing WITHOUT evidence? haha oh wow.
A. Theists are highly irrational.
SupermarketsRevil 2 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil hahahahahaha why do you have to use so many filler words to get your point across. you are not convincing anyone you are smart. btw you just replied to yourself
lnclincoln 1 month ago
@lnclincoln yar gota hate dem dar smarty paents ppl dat use too many words thikn dey so smat
Clearly you are not familiar with the logical fallacy 'ad hominem', not to mention the fact that you failed to address the body of my argument.
Very impressive.Now go back to your NASCAR
SupermarketsRevil 1 month ago