@TheUnshamedMovement I understand how you feel. While I was post trib for 35 years, there came some questions that don't have Biblical answers that allows for a post trib rapture. If you are interested, I will be more then glad to share why I moved from post to pre trib.
It does take a lot of studying, but the most important thing to remember is, no matter when Jesus calls out His Bride, we should be ready for anything.
Christians will always disagree on the rapture. We love Jesus and that's what matters :D We will go to Heaven either way thanks to Gods grace and mercy.
@carpentersdaughter2 No this is incorrect! You must separate yourself from the teaching altogether. It is a doctrine of demons! You can't associate yourself w/it at all and any church teaching it is in error! Matt 24 is being mistaught in the churchs DELIBERATELY. Research John Todd, Bill Schnoebelen, and Fritz Springmeier. The Rapture is a MYSTERY BABYLON teaching. These people believe in terrible things, the end result of the rapture is wailing and gnashing of teeth! Listen or perish!
@misshotyoga The rapture doctrine is such a minor doctrine that is has no bearing on salation. Jesus doesn't say who ever beleive in me and the right timing of the rapture will be saved. This is adding works to salvation, which will cause God's Divine Curse on anyone who believe in a works based gospel.
If anything is doctrine of demons, it's that the gospel has been compromised with a works based gospel. Please Read Galatians, Ephesians to see salvation is by grace alone.
@1117jone It's sad to see anyone who gets so upset over the timing of the rapture. I see the radicalism on all views, and I am sure our Jesus isn't happy over the name calling and nastiness that comes from those that believe in Him.
@1117jone No this is incorrect! You must separate yourself from the teaching altogether. It is a doctrine of demons! You can't associate yourself with it at all and any church teaching it is in error! Matt 24 is being mistaught in the churches DELIBERATELY. The Rapture is a MYSTERY BABYLON teaching. These people believe in terrible things and they DO TERRIBLE THINGS to accomplish their mission; the end result of the rapture is wailing and gnashing of teeth! Please listen to this warning!
Part 4: 1 Thes 4:16 The dead will rise first (resurrection of the righteous) 17 then we who are alive and remain (changed in the twinkling of an eye) shall be caught up (rapture) TOGETHER with them (the resurrected) to meet the Lord in the air.
The rapture involves not only the living but also the dead who are resurrected and it happens on the same day as resurrection of the righteous.
Rapture is actually not an event per se as we make it, it is just a trip to meet the Lord in the air.
Part 3: If you put Matt 24:29-31 & 1 Thes 4:15 together and ask a few questions that we already know and agree on you will find that it has to be post trib.
Q1: Does Jesus come back before or after the tribulation?
Q2: Does the resurrection of the righteous take place before or after the tribulation?
One thing I've never heard anyone preached is that resurrection of the righteous take place before the rapture. We are so "caught up" with rapture that we miss that.
Part 2: 1 Thes 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Part 1: For me Matt 24:29-31 & 1 Thes 4:15 settle the issue of pre, mid, or post trib.
Matt 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened....... 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven......and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. This is a description of the Second Coming not the Rapture. Christ is responding in this passage to a question from the Apostles who at this point know zip about the church. The "they" is the whole world while only believers will experience and see the Rapture. You are missing Paul's clear statements in Ephesians that church truth (including the Rapture) was hidden in God until revealed to Paul.
@carpentersdaughter2 No, but because you are teaching it from the wrong place using scriptures that speak of the Second Coming. How often can I point out to you that Paul, the Apostle of Jesus Christ states that church truth was a mystery hidden in God and now revealed to him by Jesus Christ? So until Paul was instructed in Chruch revelation there simply was no teaching about the Rapture. There simply are no signs for the Rapture as dear as that thought is your theology. Signs are for the Trib.
@companymanPs6811 Jesus speaks previously speaks of signs of what to look out for, not to be drunken or caught up into this world...now, why would Jesus be speaking of the day of his return when there were almost seven years of hell on this earth...it appears this would be a little too late, and not much warning...
the ony Biblical logical conclusion is that Jesus is warning those of that day coming, to watch for the signs, and pray they excape the things that are coming.
If it is the day Jesus arrives as you state, those in this period have already experienced hell like no other time on this earth, and there's nothing to escape.
What things are they to escape from if it's the day Jesus comes back?
I see Luke as being real clear here that Jesus is warning us of what is coming on the whole earth and to all, and to pray to escape the things that are going to happen.
I just see it differently. Nothing to get upset about.
@carpentersdaughter2 The Rapture will take place without the world even knowing it until after it happens. Paul was rightly expecting it in his day as there are no signs associated with it. Again, there was no Rapture teaching by Jesus only bt Paul. Context in both Luke and Matthew show Christ was responding to the question regarding the restoration of Israel Note that at this point, Peter doesn't even know the Gentiles are to be saved.Full revelation re the church only came with Paul.
@companymanPs6811 I agree with you that the world won't know what is happening. That's because it's so fast that even we can't image how fast it is. The church wasn't formed yet when Jesus went around teaching and preaching but yet He said the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church.
I don't think you are giving Jesus enough credit by saying that no one knew about the rapture until Paul. Of course Jesus knew about it, and warned us to pray to escape.
@carpentersdaughter2 Let's agree rather that the Scripture is always correct and if we find ourselves incorrect lets change our views. 1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: From Ephesians 2 Rapture and Church teaching come from Paul
@companymanPs6811 I was happy when I read the first line of your comment, but then you go go to use Paul's writings to prove me wrong and you right....Tell me, how does this make any sense in light of your first sentence?
@carpentersdaughter2 Please consider;Paul's "writings" are as much the Word of God as if Christ had spoken them. They are a continuance of Christ's teaching ministry on the earth. As a study of Ephesians will show, Paul is Christ's appointed "church expert". 1 +2 Thess. draw the clearest distinction between the 2nd Coming and the Rapture. In Luke and Matt. Christ was responding to a question re Israel's restoration and His return ... the 2nd Coming. Full church teaching came later via Paul.
@companymanPs6811 We agree on this that Pauls writing are a continuance of Jesus's teachings. I just disagree with you as to the timing of the rapture, and because I was once a post trib rapture believer, I can see now the huge holes it has, and that's about it. I can't go back to a teaching that has so many problems to it.
@carpentersdaughter2 Thanks for the blessing and I pray the same for you. I hope you understand that I am pre-trib but I believe that teaching is confined to Paul's teaching based on further (church teachings) he received from Christ. So I think teachings from the Gospels about the Second Coming do not include the Rapture revelation. GB, DEnnis
@carpentersdaughter2 Thanks for the blessing and I pray the same for you. I hope you understand that I am pre-trib but I believe that teaching is confined to Paul's teaching based on further (church teachings) he received from Christ. So I think teachings from the Gospels about the Second Coming do not include the Rapture revelation. GB, Dennis
@companymanPs6811 Let me share with you that my heart is always open, and while I may think this, I am also asking the Lord to let me see the truth and not be swayed by my own opinions.
Hello, I was wondering if you could tell me what editing software you use for your videos? I really love them, and would like to do something like this as well. i have started making religious videos, but I only have the windows live movie maker. Thanks!!
@tammy1114 Hi Tammy, With this particular video, the first opening frame was done in Pinnacle with Vitascene plug-in. The rest of the video was done in a program called prosho, with plug-ins I got for that program. What I do is what ever effect I want for a scene, I will go to a particular program that I have and make one of two scenes, then I take it and put it into Windows Movie Maker for my final edit. I know that's a lot to do, but windows does a few things these other...
...programs don't do..isn't that funny? Anyway, here's a list of the programs I use...Pinnacle 14 studio....ProSho Producer...Power Director Producer...Magix Studio...Vue 7..which is an animation software, I have Adobe After Effects CS3..but I can't find a good tutorial for a dummie like me.
Anyway, all these programs have free trials for at least 30 days, I would recommend doing one at a time so your trials can last several months. Just be sure your computer has power to do them.
CD2, thanks for your honesty. If you care to discuss in detail, please message me, and I'd be happy to give you the FB link for the rapture group. God bless you.
@tumordoctor Yeah, I did. Not to be rude but since the timing of the rapture is such a minor doctrine, I am just tired of contuing on with it. I have around three other people that I am having discussions with, and this one is taking away too much time.
I apprecate your comments and the time you spend talking with me on these things. I honestly do think about them, so your time is not wasted.
CD2, I know how you feel also. I was there too. In addition to everything else, Paul said that our "gathering together" unto the Lord wouldn't happen until after the son of perdition is revealed (2 Thess 2:1-3). He goes on to describe just how he will be revealed (verse 4). He even warns us not to let any charlatans deceive us into an opposite chronology as to what he gave. Had he said "rapture first, son of perdition second", they would have been fooled by the very next charlatan who came alon
@tumordoctor When you see the word whom, in Thessalonians, there is a space in time there. The AC will be revealed the second he confirms the covenant. Believers will not be in the dark when he does this whom the Lord will slay/destroy with his mouth.
One thing to consider is if Paul is telling us that we are going to go through the TP, why would he even say that the man of sin would be revealed first, that's obvious, and makes no sense for him to say that..
I rest my case. You're trying to build doctrine around one verse which could mean a few different things. But when presented with Scripture that would refute your interpretation, you threaten blocking me? So be it. Scripture says to "reason together". That it's profitable for correction, reproof, and teaching. You would rather pretend that the other passages don't exist. Well, they do.
@tumordoctor no, I have many other verses, but it doesn't do any good to go on and discuss these other verses if we can't come upon an agreement on one. I have many verses, and there are many holes to the PTR theory, and when I did my studies and prayers, which took four to five years, I concluded that the only biblical logical rapture was just at the time the TP started, give or take a little bit of time.
Not "one group of believers 7 years prior to another group of believers." There is NEVER any division of believers into "church saints" and "tribulation saints". Nowhere.
@tumordoctor Then why does John call them the saints who came out of the tribulation? The word trinity isn't in the Bible either, nor the word rapture, so your point is mute.
Please, I don't want to have to resort to other means to stop this. I just don't want to continue on with this discussion. You refuse to stay with Luke 21, and I find that disrespectful on your part, so I am asking for the very last time not to respond back and just leave it. Please.
Prove that the Lord was speaking about a pretrib rapture, CD2. He said "every" one who believes on Him will be raised at the last day. Not just "church saints". That's a misnomer in and of itself. Saints are saints. "Tribulation saints" are saints. So they're also raised at "the last day". That effectively rules out a pretrib "last day". Again, Paul agreed, as He said "all" who are "in Christ" are resurrected "at His coming. Then the end..." (1 Cor 15:22-24). Not "one group of believers 7 years
Also, the Lord only describes one resurrection of believers "at the last day" (Jn 6:40), which Paul reiterates (1 Cor 15:22-24). The church is never divided Scripturally into "church saints" and "tribulation saints". We're all one in Christ, and all "Abraham's seed" (Galatians 3:28,29).
So hermeneutically, Luke 21:36 cannot mean what you purport it to mean. The Lord never described a gathering together prior to the trib; only after (Mt 24:29). He never described taking us to Heaven after He receives us (Jn 14:3). Neither did Paul (1 Thess 4:17). He only describes coming back with His angels at His 2nd coming (Mt 25:31). A fact which Paul reiterates in 2 Thess 1:7-10.
What do you mean "jumping around"? I'm very much "on topic". You create a video trying to assert a pretrib rapture. I'm showing you why you're incorrect. Not the least of which is when the Lord says that He comes like a "thief". He also never describes coming back with anyone other than His angels (Matthew 25:31); something pretri ers prefer to ignore altogether. By the way, I'm not Mormon.
So the Lord tells us after the 6th vial that He's coming like a "thief". The DOTL (according to the Lord and Peter in Mt 24:29 and Acts 2:20, respectively) comes "after the tribulation". So that's the "wrath" we're not "appointed to". So if the heavenly signs come "after the tribulation" (Mt 24:29), and we see these after the 6th seal (see Rev 6), then the judgments aren't even chronological.
To further that point, if the church was raptured at a pretrib, then every nominal believer "left behind", as well as every nonbeliever could know EXACTLY when the Lord comes back. So that argument cuts both ways. In either scenario, people would know when the Lord comes back. Unless, of course, those days truly are "cut short". Do you see the point?
@tumordoctor I ttell you what, let's stay on topic of the video which is Luke 21....please try to justify that Jesus isn't speaking of the things that are coming on the earth, and justify why He said to pray to be worthy to escape...I hate this jumping around. this happens when I speak to Mormons, they want to go all over the place without resolving the first issue...so let's either continue on with that, or lets just stop, please...
CD2, frankly, I believe that pre, mid, post, and prewrathers may be misunderstanding some pieces of prophecy. For instance, the Lord said that those days will be "cut short". I don't think anyone has a really good explanation for that, except the possibility that the 70th week literally will be abbreviated.
@tumordoctor When one goes into the trib. period after the rapture, they aren't concerned about when Jesus will come back, so they don't care. It's not until the 144,000 get the gospel out, and the two witnesses and the everlasting angel. Just because the rapture happens before doesn't even come close that this is a second chance. That's the very first I heard this from anyone in over fifty years of being a christian.
CD2, pretrib says that Matthew 24:43,44 is speaking about a pretrib rapture (even though chronologically, the Lord describes it as an elaboration of verses 29-31. Also, in those parables, He never gives any indication that those "left behind" are given a second chance. They are "cast into outer darkness" and "cut asunder". This is contrary to the pretrib notion that after a pretrib rapture, people can get saved. It goes along with a post-trib rapture, in which those "left behind" truly get "cut
@tumordoctor There's no second chance in the tribulation period..what gave you that idea? The second chance teachings come from a post trib view, because many quote Zachariah 14, and if one takes that to mean the lost, then it gives everyone a second chance in the millenium..
But please, please answer my question....please...otherwise, just stop.
By the way, there is no wedding or marriage supper described as taking place in Heaven. Only the wedding announcement of Revelation 19:6-10, followed immediately by a description of the Lord's return in verses 11-21. Not one verse describing a wedding. That is also why the Lord NEVER described coming back with anyone other than His angels at His second coming.
@tumordoctor I do have to apologize, you are right, there is no mention of the ceremony mentioned, only the announcement in 19...
But, even PTR believe that when raptured at the end of the tribulation period, the body of Christ goes up, meets Jesus in the air and comes back down with him, or have they changed that too?
CD2, I've pointed out when the Lord and Peter described the DOTL as beginning. That much is irrefutable. So the "wrath" we're not "appointed to" is not the tribulation. I've also pointed out when the Lord describes coming like a "thief" (after the 6th vial). That is also irrefutable. Notice also that the Lord says those not prepared will be "cut asunder" (in the parables of Mt 24/25). That leaves no room for a "2nd chance".
@tumordoctor I'm sorry but what you are saying makes no sense....so the wrath wer not apointed to is not the tribulation?
I don't understand this second chance thing you are saying...maybe this should stop for a while because you are not making any sense now, plus you don't answer what I've repsonded to already, which makes for going in circles and making no sense.
I said that if we are to to through the TB. then we will know exactly what day He will come...please answer that.
Also, with regard to the Lord telling us that He is going to come like a "thief" (Matthew 24:43,44), which Paul reiterates in 1 Thess 5:2), the Lord tells us exactly when He's going to be coming like a "thief":
Revelation 16:15- "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
Notice that this is after the 6th vial (which any pretribber would agree is just before His second coming). This agree with when I've alread
@tumordoctor He can't come like a thief once we go into the TP, because Daniel speaks of how many days it will be, and from the signing of the covenant, we can countdown to the exact day that Jesus comes back. That's another problem with PTR.
So, anyone can wait till the last day to put their faith in Him to play it safe and not have to die for the Lord.
If you are going to take Revelation as a time line, then the Church is having the Marriage supper of the lamb in chapter 11.
we are enjoying the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, we are going through the Judgement Seat of the Lamb, so these events are spoken of before chapter 19 when He returns to the earth.
You have to differenciate between the second coming which Jesus describes, and the rapture which Jesus says to pray that we be worthy to escape.
Like I say, escape what? The things that are coming on the whole earth as Jesus says...we have to look at the things that are coming on this earth.
CD2, what is the "wrath" we're not "appointed to" (1 Thess 5:9)? He tells is in 1 Thess 5:2. It's the DOTL (which comes like a "thief"). When did the Lord and Peter tell us that the DOTL begins? After the trib. In Matthew 24:29, the Lord describes the heavenly signs coming AFTER the trib. In Acts 2:20, Peter describes the heavenly signs as preceding the DOTL. So the "wrath" we're not "appointed to" is not the tribulation. It's the wrath which occurs at His literal second coming (see 2 Thess 1:7
@tumordoctor You are taking two events into one and that is where the problem lies with PTR. Which DOTL do you want to talk about? The one that's been taught over the last fifteen years or so, or the one before that? Cause, like I said, it was never taught that the DOTL was the day that Jesus came to this earth. The day of the Lord was the beginning of the TP. The wrath on that day He comes is Him speaking out and they are all destroyed. That's why the PTR Believers had to move the DOTL
at the day of His coming. There were too many holes to leave it at the seven years of Judgements, starting with the seals.
This is another reason why I moved from post trib. to move the DOTL to the day He comes is new, and when something is new like this, it means red flags for sure. At least to me.
So, what DOTL do you want to talk about...I don't even want to discuss the new addition of the DOTL.
CD2, I don't mind texting from my phone. It's just that I'm not able to keep the line of posting on any particular thread like I'm able to do from my desktop or laptop, so I know it's inconvenient for you to follow. What did you mean that Paul had written as such in his letters? CD2, do you have FB?
@tumordoctor What I mean is Paul has said that we won't obtain His wrath, and then we see Jesus telling the church at Pha. that they will not have to go through the hour of testing that was coming upon the whole earth.
This same theme has been consistent with these writers.
@tumordoctor No, what I said was your trying to make the two chapters mean the same, and for the most part they do, but you don't want to accept what Luke is saying in verse 21, that's all. You have put words in other then what the author has indended and I've been pointing that out.
Now, why not just drop this? Jesus said PRAY that we be worthy to ESCAPE...why can't you just accept what Jesus has said? Paul confirms this in his letters too, and so does John.
CD2, the fact remains that in Matthew 24, the Lord says that we will need to flee, so Luke 21:36 cannot mean what you purport it to mean. The other option is that He's saying that we should pray to be counted worthy to stay alive until His second coming.
@tumordoctor You are trying to put two chapters from two different books to mean the same and no one is allowed to do that.
Pray that we may be worthy to escape....escape what?????? ALL the things that are coming upon the WHOLE EARTH....
Do a word study here, look at what Jesus is saying.Stop trying to make it mean something different. It's plain and easy to see, just as John 1:1 is easy to see that Jesus is God.
Jesus is not saying to stay alive, but to ESCAPE....look up the word
@tumordoctor When I was post trib, up until about fifteen years ago is was believed that the Day of the Lord was the Time of Jacobs Troubles....but now, it's been moved to the day Jesus comes.
Study Isaiah 25: 19-21...see that the ressurections happens first, then the Judgements of God on this earth.
CD2, it is ridiculous for you to make a dogmatic assertion ("believe me") about a prophetic verse. If you don't want to believe it, that's your prerogative, but Paul was clear that he would rather depart. So praying that one doesn't have to live to see that period of time starts is not negated by what you insist others believe. And again, it's the parallel chapter to Matthew 24, in which the Lord clearly instructs us to flee.
@tumordoctor Isn't that what you are doing to me by your comment? You are trying to tell me and others that Jesus is telling us to pray that we may DIE in order not to be in the Time He is speaking of. Jesus would never tell us to pray that we should die so we don't have to endure that period of time. Do you think that being eaten by Lions was any easier then someone getting their head cut off? No, the later is easier and He never warned themm or told them to pray to die.
That's one of the biggest cop out's that I've ever heard and I was post trib for 35 years. When Jesus said Pray that ye be worthy to escape....escape what? ALL these things that are coming on the WHOLE EARTH...simple logical deduction...period!
Sorry you don't like it, no one is forcing you to believe it.
One should make the distinction between pre-wrath and per-tribulation. The wrath of God is poured out on the wicked, the righteous shall escape. However, the righteous have endured tribulation for centuries from Pagan Rome, and Papal Rome. Tribulation still occurs today, in parts of the world.
In the parable of the wheat and tares, the angels separate the wicked and righteous at the end of the age. Also, there is the seal of God and the mark of the beast. My point is, there is a distinction
Absolutely taught to this person that produced this video by the Holy Spirit. Very very well done! I give 2 thumbs up and will pass on and favorite this teaching. All the Praise, Honor and Glory be to the Lord.
Luke 21 is the parallel chapter to Matthew 24. In Matthew 24, He says to flee. As the audience is the same for both Luke 21 and Matthew 24 (His apostles), it is unlikely that Luke 21:36 is referring to a rapture. A very real possibility is that He's saying pray that we're not here for the start of it (by death; not be rapture). We would then also be standing before the Son of Man. For those who can't imagine that to be the case, "to die is gain".
@tumordoctor So, you're trying to say that Jesus is saying pray that you die before all this starts so you can escape it? I'm sorry, but that's really reading into this verse that the author did not intend. Jesus isn't going to say, pray that you are worthy to die so you can escape all these things. That makes no sense at all.
This verse in Luke 21 is so clear on what Jesus is saying. But those who don';t want to accept it, interpolate this scripture, which is wrong.
First Jesus tells us the signs and what to look for. Then he goes on to say, pray that you are worthy to escape ALL the things that will happen on the WHOLE EARTH.
Believe me, Jesus is not saying pray that we be worthy to die before these things happen.
"Wow very well said indeed own pre-trib Lk 21:36....there is something also interesting on why the dead rise first at the rapture, Ck out thedeadrisefirstcom
@yomamapoops They're trying desperately to get into Christian churches. I've been getting e mails from them too. I don't know how they got mine, but I'm getting them all the time. Could be they got it from my website. Did you see my video on Chrislam?
@yomamapoops Yeah, it sure is. They should read Ezekiel 38 & 39 then they will find out just exactly what's going to happen to Islam..it's going to be desimated. 5 out of 6 will die, and there will be a lot of blood because of it too. I pray Jesus shows Himself to more of them.
The key to understanding Luke 21:36 is the word “about”. Jesus said these things in 32 AD. The rapture wasn’t about to happen, but the destruction of Jerusalem, of which He had just spoken, was (Luke 21:12-24). That’s what He was warning them about. There was no promise that they would be removed from harm’s way before the Roman armies came as there is for us at the end of the age.
@JoeCoolRoxYou If that's the only thing Jesus said, then I would agree with you. But he went on to warn those and what to look for what was going to happen on the whole Earth. Now we both know that Jerusalem wasn't the whole earth. Jesus made it plain that we must be worthy to escape...escape what? ALL the things that were coming on the earth, not just Jerusalem. To say it's just Jerusalem is avoiding everything other thing that Jesus spoke about.
If you look up the tribulation rapture on Rapture Ready it gives really good information about the pretribulation and why it is going to be a pretribulation rapture and not a post tribulation rapture :)
@Dmozar When I was post trib, I never found one person who could give a good sound answer as to why the rapture was before or just at the Tribulation Period. It wasn't until I did a deep study on Revelation that I realized that the post trib view had some real problems to it. I will check out his site to see what he has to say.
@cane03 Yeah, I know it's mentioned only once. That's how most people recogonize him as, rather then the Lawless one and the others names that are given to him.
@OFADK consider the Feasts that Israel celebrates, Jesus fulfilled the first four when He came the first time. In the Feast of Trumpets/Rosh Hashanah, the shofar is blown many times and the Jews called the final blowing "the last trumpet". It's an amazing study to study the feasts with the guiding of the Holy Spirit. If you're more interested, try going to endtimepilgrams.ords
Linda, great video and beautiful visuals. The message is even more beautiful and full of truth. Bless you for the work you do to glorify our Lord and Savior.
You must study Revelation. We are told that God will not begin His wrath until all the elect are marked and sealed. The mark and the seal may only be seen by the angels.It is a sign so that the angels shall not harm the elect.Have you not read were Jesus says" ten thousand shall fall on your right side and one hundred on your other side, but you shall stand." It amazes me that so many try to figure out satans mark but have no clue about Gods mark and seal on His elect.
@vasiliosrigos In Revelation it doesn't say until all the elect are sealed, it says the 144,000 to read anything more into this part of Revelation is to interpolate scripture, which means to put something other then what the author had intended.
The wrath of the Lamb opens up with the seals, and yes, there is a Rapture whether you like it or not.
I have mixed feelings about the pre trib rapture. This verse clearly states that God will give us an escape if we are worthy of it, so that's comforting. Some say that the body of believers will be the two witnesses. If I can breathe fire out my mouth then that's pretty cool too lol. So either way. Praise God! Blessed be your name forever and ever!
@MrSteebin I was post trib for over 35 years, and hard core too, meaning I wasn't about to budge in my thinking. But the Holy Spirit brought some questions to mind when I was studying the book of Revelation. I sat on that for several years, until I finally realized that I had to dig in deeper. what I found was so obvious that Jesus will call His Church out when the Ac comes on the scene. I do believe we will see and go through some hard things before that though, and we need to be right with God
I'm a big believer in Act 2:16 (hence the Axe216 vids) - that being, the spirit of prophecy poured out on all flesh. Thus, pre, mid & post-Trib Rapturists are all right to a certain degree. 1) Main body of believers to be taken BEFORE the Trib. 2) Mid-Trib' would be the 2 Witnesses, & 3) The Martyrs being renewed in time for the Great Banquet. A Trans'trib belief - for lack of a more suitable term. "Rapture" being a word to describe the regenerated body similar to that of Jesus' resurrection.
@downyourtube Amen and Amen...there will be many who say they know Jesus, but Jesus doesn't know them. Why, because they never put their faith in Him, just relied on their works.
They will make a vaccine out of the True Bloodline of Jesus. They will give it to all people on this planet at the same time. "MANY" will live. "FEW" will die. It is the "FEW", that is the true body of Jesus, filled with the Holy Spirit of God. This vaccine will act like a double positive to Our systems. We were already changed once. The second time will kill us. Listen to me- read the words of Jesus and do them, while you still can. Jesus keep you all.
@carpentersdaughter2 I wish it was that easy. Read on my Channel what I wrote there. It kinda explains all of it. There is much hidden in our world, that no one ever noticed. I found it. It's like information hidden in watermarks in everything.
You do know that Luke was a disciple of the false apostle Paul yes a follower of Paul, so i would not take what he says to be of truth. he was not a true witness of our messiah. Matthew & John where his two witnesses, just bare this in mind, he likely has some truth mixed with lies just like Pauls letters!! beware!!
@murrayoflight Oh,, so you're one of those...I don't talke too well to those who have swollowed up this lie like candy. Don't bring it to my home anymore. You want to believe that nonsense, that's your choice, but don't ever bring it to videos ever again.
@carpentersdaughter2 Great attitude just what our father is looking for!! keep spreading your lies!! dont worry i shake the dust from my feet and move on!!
@murrayoflight Wow, that's kind of harsh for a minor doctrine, don't you think? It's not a doctrine to get all upset about, yet I meet radicals like you all the time. When I was post trib, there were the not so nice radicals on the other side. so, you're just another one of those who likes to belittle someone just because they differ in the timing of the rapture...boy, you're a sad case for sure.
@carpentersdaughter2 Its your mouth thats running not mine sister read your comments again, but this is the attitude that most tares come back with, you dont like being corrected, i was not accusing you just trying to correct you from error, why not follow as Christ taught instead you follow the false doctrines of men! you likely dont even no this is a sabbath day!! You confess with your lips you love him, but you certainly aint following him.
Sister. You need to compare Lik 21 with Matthew 24. They are told to flee into the mountains (petra). This is not referring to the church, it is referring to Jews, who will be taken by surprise when the anti-Christ breaks his covenant of peace and sits in the temple (Mat.24:15). To stand before the Son of Man ( A reference to Christ as the Messiah,Christ is never referred to the Son of Man in the Pauline Epistles) is to endure to the end and go into the Millennium (Mt.25)
@edwardpf123 When Jesus tells them to flee to the Mountains, He is refering to the desolation of Jerusalem and the dispersal of the Jews. This was already fulfilled. When He later speaks, He is telling them to to get caught up in the cares of this life, and to be ready. He is speaking here about the time, just before the tribulation period. Matthew 24 goes into the AC going into the Temple,, and the destruction of Jerusalem which has been fulfilled.
@carpentersdaughter2 -Yes in Lk.21:20-24 he is speaking of 1st century Jews and the coming destruction of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 AD. Many Christians escaped from Jerusalem heeding this.
The destruction of Jerusalem in the Trib. is future since no abomination of desolation was set up.
Beginning with vs.25-36 it is speaking of the tribulation period and the 2nd Advent.
Thanks Linda! I believe it will take place, not when there is no real need for it, but when there is a real need for it to happen; that we will escape - be caught up!
As I was thinking about when will it happen, Jesus said to me: "at the outbreak of world war 3". Could that be at the time described in Revelation 9:15 "So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind." ?
@OFADK I think it's hard to take a Revelation verse and apply it to the rapture. At least it is for me right now. Maybe more stuides of this will show me.
I just purchased (10usd),downloaded and watched the "The 7 Trumpets" by Irwin Baxter at endtimeministries ( w w w . endtime.com ) and I think it was very good, and I recommend it. He has really good explanations for all the 7 trumps!
In fact amazing. But there is a question about trump 7 and the trump of God 1 Thess.4:17 and 1.cor.15:52, J.D. Farag is teaching about it :
w w w . youtube.com/watch?v=bFGrzxO9Dgw&feature=feedu
Thanks Linda nice video.. It brings to my mine Revelation 3:10. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, therefore I will deliver thee from the hour of tentation, which will come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come shortly: hold that which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh, will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God. (Geneva bible) There's a big difference between Tentation and Temptation. Blessings Den
@yankobutt Revelation 3:10 "And I will keep thee from the hour of testing"... FROM = ek = OUT OF. hour= specific time appointed to judge and test. If Jesus tells us we will escape the cares of this life... what does that mean in light of all those believers who are beheaded for their testimony in Christ during the tribulation? How does this "comfort" believers? Is that the Blessed Hope? That we are to escape the cares of this world but still go through? just curious what your thoughts are. :)
@jvsm1971 ive had people say that there is a rapture, but then some people come to christ after the rapture. they are the ones who are beheaded and who fight the beast
@labartic Im one of those believers. :) I believe His Bride (church) is removed before the Tribulation (Jacobs Trouble) BUT the biggest harvest will happen during the tribulation....Millions of Jews & Gentiles will call upon His name and be saved - a number uncountable.... - but they will have to go through the trib and many will be beheaded. But Praise God... out of HIS Judgements comes salvation! God bless you.
@MyFriendLeonard1 I don't blame you at all. To take a side means being abused by some radicals. It doesn't matter what view of the rapture someone has, there will always be someone who will disagree and do it nasty too. I like the guy who just told me that he will wipe the dust from his feet because I have moved from post trib to pre-trib...lol...some people just can't be nice.
@carpentersdaughter2 I am shocked when at times I read some abuse directed toward you. If you ain't good enough, then I give up. : )
I think all Christians need to get grounded in Jesus' two great commands - neither of which have anything to do with scholarship. That then puts all doctrinal issues into proper perspective - as puzzling matters that serve to prompt us to more prayer, individually and communally, rather than salvational issues on which to hang our sectarian pride.
I think it's about escaping this world, and all it's snares. Whether you are raptured, killed, or just die like my mother, who read this same verse and believed till the world came to an end, for her. Will she be counted worthy to escape all those things that came to pass, and to stand before the Son of man? I like to think she did, or will, or whatever. I hope we all do.
@o0lBobl0o My Mom and Dad were both Believers, so I know that I will see them again. I have peace in knowing this, and it did help when Jesus called them home. Your Mother is joyfully in the presense of Jesus, and I can't think of a better place to be.
Is it possible when he says "pray that you may escape all that is about to happen so that you may stand before the Son of man" that Jesus means... pray you will survive through the tribulations so that you can witness him coming on the clouds in glory?
@labartic Well, Jesus said to pray that we be worthy to escape all the things that were coming on the whole earth...this is why I did this study because I wanted to understand what Jesus meant. Escaping and enduring are two different things. For those people who will put their faith in Jesus after the rapture will have no place to go, and God isn't going to send His Wrath on them. They are the ones who will have to endure to the end, as Jesus says in Matthew 24. Otherwise why pray to escape?
@carpentersdaughter2 pray to physically escape the stuff going on in the world maybe? Who knows for certain... I say be prepared to stick around just in case. And if you get raptured up at least your friends or family will have some food to get through the famine.
thanks for your vid and sharing your study. the word dwell is interesting here if you look it up and the other references of dwell on the face of the earth. the others are in revelation during the tribulation but the one here is slightly different and from my study means to remain=#2521 in strongs. in rev 3:10, keep the from the hour of temptation, to try them that dwell, #2730= here a little different, in first you remain, here you are dwelling, inhabitor. dwell/remain to dwelling/permanent.
@watcher0777 As I see it those who are dwelling on this earth, will get what Jesus said is coming on the earth. That's why we need to make sure that we have put our faith in Jesus, so we can be found worthy to escape those things.
@IPREACH4 Thank you for your kind comment. I agree that the rapture is coming soon. Still can't say when, but I sure can say it's not that far off. Too much prophecy is happening right now.
@carpentersdaughter2 Amen sister Linda you are so right. God is harvesting His crop. We must do all we can to wake up those who will hear and open their eyes and soften their hearts so that the Holy Spirit can convict them of their sins and bring them to Jesus! Amen. Keep looking up our Redemption draws near! Your brother in Christ. " For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18 Amen
Great video... will win many hearts before it's too late! Now that ELEnin appears to be disintegrating... what will cause the pole shift now? Is Nibiru still behind Elenin? We are still going to escape Rev 6th Seal and the first four Trumpet judgments! It's still going to be sudden destruction and like a snare!
@kingdomengineers Haven't heard anything on elenin, I will search tomorrow on it. Before Elenin, there was going to be a pole shift anyway. I just can't remember how it was going to happen, Will check that out too.
As Jesus said, it's going to be a snare for all who are living on the whole earth. We are to keep watching and sharing the gospel up to the last second, or twinkling of an eye.
Well done
bubba007sss 3 months ago
@bubba007sss ...Thank you
God bless
carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
I'm so lost on the rapture. In the beginning I was pre-trib now I'm post trib now after reading Luke 21 I am confused again.
The only thing one can do is believe on Christ Jesus and continue to pray and repent
TheUnshamedMovement 5 months ago
@TheUnshamedMovement I understand how you feel. While I was post trib for 35 years, there came some questions that don't have Biblical answers that allows for a post trib rapture. If you are interested, I will be more then glad to share why I moved from post to pre trib.
It does take a lot of studying, but the most important thing to remember is, no matter when Jesus calls out His Bride, we should be ready for anything.
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
Christians will always disagree on the rapture. We love Jesus and that's what matters :D We will go to Heaven either way thanks to Gods grace and mercy.
1117jone 5 months ago
@1117jone Amen, amen, and amen.....Praise God, we are going to be with Jesus no matter what our view is of the rapture...
God bless..... :)
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 No this is incorrect! You must separate yourself from the teaching altogether. It is a doctrine of demons! You can't associate yourself w/it at all and any church teaching it is in error! Matt 24 is being mistaught in the churchs DELIBERATELY. Research John Todd, Bill Schnoebelen, and Fritz Springmeier. The Rapture is a MYSTERY BABYLON teaching. These people believe in terrible things, the end result of the rapture is wailing and gnashing of teeth! Listen or perish!
misshotyoga 5 months ago
@misshotyoga The rapture doctrine is such a minor doctrine that is has no bearing on salation. Jesus doesn't say who ever beleive in me and the right timing of the rapture will be saved. This is adding works to salvation, which will cause God's Divine Curse on anyone who believe in a works based gospel.
If anything is doctrine of demons, it's that the gospel has been compromised with a works based gospel. Please Read Galatians, Ephesians to see salvation is by grace alone.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Well said!! It hurts me so to see Christians persecuting other Christians. God Bless :))
1117jone 5 months ago
@1117jone It's sad to see anyone who gets so upset over the timing of the rapture. I see the radicalism on all views, and I am sure our Jesus isn't happy over the name calling and nastiness that comes from those that believe in Him.
God bless... :)
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
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@1117jone No this is incorrect! You must separate yourself from the teaching altogether. It is a doctrine of demons! You can't associate yourself with it at all and any church teaching it is in error! Matt 24 is being mistaught in the churches DELIBERATELY. The Rapture is a MYSTERY BABYLON teaching. These people believe in terrible things and they DO TERRIBLE THINGS to accomplish their mission; the end result of the rapture is wailing and gnashing of teeth! Please listen to this warning!
misshotyoga 5 months ago
Part 4: 1 Thes 4:16 The dead will rise first (resurrection of the righteous) 17 then we who are alive and remain (changed in the twinkling of an eye) shall be caught up (rapture) TOGETHER with them (the resurrected) to meet the Lord in the air.
The rapture involves not only the living but also the dead who are resurrected and it happens on the same day as resurrection of the righteous.
Rapture is actually not an event per se as we make it, it is just a trip to meet the Lord in the air.
yesushiai 5 months ago
Part 3: If you put Matt 24:29-31 & 1 Thes 4:15 together and ask a few questions that we already know and agree on you will find that it has to be post trib.
Q1: Does Jesus come back before or after the tribulation?
Q2: Does the resurrection of the righteous take place before or after the tribulation?
One thing I've never heard anyone preached is that resurrection of the righteous take place before the rapture. We are so "caught up" with rapture that we miss that.
yesushiai 5 months ago
Part 2: 1 Thes 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
yesushiai 5 months ago
Part 1: For me Matt 24:29-31 & 1 Thes 4:15 settle the issue of pre, mid, or post trib.
Matt 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened....... 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven......and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
yesushiai 5 months ago
Another nice production. Thank you !
AschersOil 5 months ago
@AschersOil Thank you...To God be all glory.
God bless,
Linda....
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. This is a description of the Second Coming not the Rapture. Christ is responding in this passage to a question from the Apostles who at this point know zip about the church. The "they" is the whole world while only believers will experience and see the Rapture. You are missing Paul's clear statements in Ephesians that church truth (including the Rapture) was hidden in God until revealed to Paul.
companymanPs6811 5 months ago
@companymanPs6811 Why are you saying this to me...do you think I am speaking against the pre-trib rapture?
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 No, but because you are teaching it from the wrong place using scriptures that speak of the Second Coming. How often can I point out to you that Paul, the Apostle of Jesus Christ states that church truth was a mystery hidden in God and now revealed to him by Jesus Christ? So until Paul was instructed in Chruch revelation there simply was no teaching about the Rapture. There simply are no signs for the Rapture as dear as that thought is your theology. Signs are for the Trib.
companymanPs6811 5 months ago
@companymanPs6811 Jesus speaks previously speaks of signs of what to look out for, not to be drunken or caught up into this world...now, why would Jesus be speaking of the day of his return when there were almost seven years of hell on this earth...it appears this would be a little too late, and not much warning...
the ony Biblical logical conclusion is that Jesus is warning those of that day coming, to watch for the signs, and pray they excape the things that are coming.
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If it is the day Jesus arrives as you state, those in this period have already experienced hell like no other time on this earth, and there's nothing to escape.
What things are they to escape from if it's the day Jesus comes back?
I see Luke as being real clear here that Jesus is warning us of what is coming on the whole earth and to all, and to pray to escape the things that are going to happen.
I just see it differently. Nothing to get upset about.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 The Rapture will take place without the world even knowing it until after it happens. Paul was rightly expecting it in his day as there are no signs associated with it. Again, there was no Rapture teaching by Jesus only bt Paul. Context in both Luke and Matthew show Christ was responding to the question regarding the restoration of Israel Note that at this point, Peter doesn't even know the Gentiles are to be saved.Full revelation re the church only came with Paul.
companymanPs6811 5 months ago
@companymanPs6811 I agree with you that the world won't know what is happening. That's because it's so fast that even we can't image how fast it is. The church wasn't formed yet when Jesus went around teaching and preaching but yet He said the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church.
I don't think you are giving Jesus enough credit by saying that no one knew about the rapture until Paul. Of course Jesus knew about it, and warned us to pray to escape.
Lets agree to disagree.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Let's agree rather that the Scripture is always correct and if we find ourselves incorrect lets change our views. 1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: From Ephesians 2 Rapture and Church teaching come from Paul
companymanPs6811 5 months ago
@companymanPs6811 I was happy when I read the first line of your comment, but then you go go to use Paul's writings to prove me wrong and you right....Tell me, how does this make any sense in light of your first sentence?
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Please consider;Paul's "writings" are as much the Word of God as if Christ had spoken them. They are a continuance of Christ's teaching ministry on the earth. As a study of Ephesians will show, Paul is Christ's appointed "church expert". 1 +2 Thess. draw the clearest distinction between the 2nd Coming and the Rapture. In Luke and Matt. Christ was responding to a question re Israel's restoration and His return ... the 2nd Coming. Full church teaching came later via Paul.
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companymanPs6811 5 months ago
@companymanPs6811 We agree on this that Pauls writing are a continuance of Jesus's teachings. I just disagree with you as to the timing of the rapture, and because I was once a post trib rapture believer, I can see now the huge holes it has, and that's about it. I can't go back to a teaching that has so many problems to it.
God bless you,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Thanks for the blessing and I pray the same for you. I hope you understand that I am pre-trib but I believe that teaching is confined to Paul's teaching based on further (church teachings) he received from Christ. So I think teachings from the Gospels about the Second Coming do not include the Rapture revelation. GB, DEnnis
companymanPs6811 5 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Thanks for the blessing and I pray the same for you. I hope you understand that I am pre-trib but I believe that teaching is confined to Paul's teaching based on further (church teachings) he received from Christ. So I think teachings from the Gospels about the Second Coming do not include the Rapture revelation. GB, Dennis
companymanPs6811 5 months ago
@companymanPs6811 Let me share with you that my heart is always open, and while I may think this, I am also asking the Lord to let me see the truth and not be swayed by my own opinions.
Take care Dennis,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
thank you so so much! :) Great job on your videos!
tammy1114 5 months ago
@tammy1114 You're welcome...
God bless
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
Hello, I was wondering if you could tell me what editing software you use for your videos? I really love them, and would like to do something like this as well. i have started making religious videos, but I only have the windows live movie maker. Thanks!!
tammy1114 5 months ago
@tammy1114 Hi Tammy, With this particular video, the first opening frame was done in Pinnacle with Vitascene plug-in. The rest of the video was done in a program called prosho, with plug-ins I got for that program. What I do is what ever effect I want for a scene, I will go to a particular program that I have and make one of two scenes, then I take it and put it into Windows Movie Maker for my final edit. I know that's a lot to do, but windows does a few things these other...
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carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
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...programs don't do..isn't that funny? Anyway, here's a list of the programs I use...Pinnacle 14 studio....ProSho Producer...Power Director Producer...Magix Studio...Vue 7..which is an animation software, I have Adobe After Effects CS3..but I can't find a good tutorial for a dummie like me.
Anyway, all these programs have free trials for at least 30 days, I would recommend doing one at a time so your trials can last several months. Just be sure your computer has power to do them.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
...and I also appreciated your gentle tone.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
CD2, thanks for your honesty. If you care to discuss in detail, please message me, and I'd be happy to give you the FB link for the rapture group. God bless you.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor Thank you....God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
Did you delete my last two posts, CD2? I just want to be sure that I don't spend time posting if they're just going to get deleted.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor Yeah, I did. Not to be rude but since the timing of the rapture is such a minor doctrine, I am just tired of contuing on with it. I have around three other people that I am having discussions with, and this one is taking away too much time.
I apprecate your comments and the time you spend talking with me on these things. I honestly do think about them, so your time is not wasted.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
CD2, I know how you feel also. I was there too. In addition to everything else, Paul said that our "gathering together" unto the Lord wouldn't happen until after the son of perdition is revealed (2 Thess 2:1-3). He goes on to describe just how he will be revealed (verse 4). He even warns us not to let any charlatans deceive us into an opposite chronology as to what he gave. Had he said "rapture first, son of perdition second", they would have been fooled by the very next charlatan who came alon
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor When you see the word whom, in Thessalonians, there is a space in time there. The AC will be revealed the second he confirms the covenant. Believers will not be in the dark when he does this whom the Lord will slay/destroy with his mouth.
One thing to consider is if Paul is telling us that we are going to go through the TP, why would he even say that the man of sin would be revealed first, that's obvious, and makes no sense for him to say that..
sorry...
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
I rest my case. You're trying to build doctrine around one verse which could mean a few different things. But when presented with Scripture that would refute your interpretation, you threaten blocking me? So be it. Scripture says to "reason together". That it's profitable for correction, reproof, and teaching. You would rather pretend that the other passages don't exist. Well, they do.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor no, I have many other verses, but it doesn't do any good to go on and discuss these other verses if we can't come upon an agreement on one. I have many verses, and there are many holes to the PTR theory, and when I did my studies and prayers, which took four to five years, I concluded that the only biblical logical rapture was just at the time the TP started, give or take a little bit of time.
I understand how you feel, I was there too.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
Not "one group of believers 7 years prior to another group of believers." There is NEVER any division of believers into "church saints" and "tribulation saints". Nowhere.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor Then why does John call them the saints who came out of the tribulation? The word trinity isn't in the Bible either, nor the word rapture, so your point is mute.
Please, I don't want to have to resort to other means to stop this. I just don't want to continue on with this discussion. You refuse to stay with Luke 21, and I find that disrespectful on your part, so I am asking for the very last time not to respond back and just leave it. Please.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
Prove that the Lord was speaking about a pretrib rapture, CD2. He said "every" one who believes on Him will be raised at the last day. Not just "church saints". That's a misnomer in and of itself. Saints are saints. "Tribulation saints" are saints. So they're also raised at "the last day". That effectively rules out a pretrib "last day". Again, Paul agreed, as He said "all" who are "in Christ" are resurrected "at His coming. Then the end..." (1 Cor 15:22-24). Not "one group of believers 7 years
tumordoctor 5 months ago
Also, the Lord only describes one resurrection of believers "at the last day" (Jn 6:40), which Paul reiterates (1 Cor 15:22-24). The church is never divided Scripturally into "church saints" and "tribulation saints". We're all one in Christ, and all "Abraham's seed" (Galatians 3:28,29).
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor Tthat last day is the rapture before His Judgements which start at the first seal.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
So hermeneutically, Luke 21:36 cannot mean what you purport it to mean. The Lord never described a gathering together prior to the trib; only after (Mt 24:29). He never described taking us to Heaven after He receives us (Jn 14:3). Neither did Paul (1 Thess 4:17). He only describes coming back with His angels at His 2nd coming (Mt 25:31). A fact which Paul reiterates in 2 Thess 1:7-10.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
What do you mean "jumping around"? I'm very much "on topic". You create a video trying to assert a pretrib rapture. I'm showing you why you're incorrect. Not the least of which is when the Lord says that He comes like a "thief". He also never describes coming back with anyone other than His angels (Matthew 25:31); something pretri ers prefer to ignore altogether. By the way, I'm not Mormon.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
So the Lord tells us after the 6th vial that He's coming like a "thief". The DOTL (according to the Lord and Peter in Mt 24:29 and Acts 2:20, respectively) comes "after the tribulation". So that's the "wrath" we're not "appointed to". So if the heavenly signs come "after the tribulation" (Mt 24:29), and we see these after the 6th seal (see Rev 6), then the judgments aren't even chronological.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
To further that point, if the church was raptured at a pretrib, then every nominal believer "left behind", as well as every nonbeliever could know EXACTLY when the Lord comes back. So that argument cuts both ways. In either scenario, people would know when the Lord comes back. Unless, of course, those days truly are "cut short". Do you see the point?
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor I ttell you what, let's stay on topic of the video which is Luke 21....please try to justify that Jesus isn't speaking of the things that are coming on the earth, and justify why He said to pray to be worthy to escape...I hate this jumping around. this happens when I speak to Mormons, they want to go all over the place without resolving the first issue...so let's either continue on with that, or lets just stop, please...
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
CD2, frankly, I believe that pre, mid, post, and prewrathers may be misunderstanding some pieces of prophecy. For instance, the Lord said that those days will be "cut short". I don't think anyone has a really good explanation for that, except the possibility that the 70th week literally will be abbreviated.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor When one goes into the trib. period after the rapture, they aren't concerned about when Jesus will come back, so they don't care. It's not until the 144,000 get the gospel out, and the two witnesses and the everlasting angel. Just because the rapture happens before doesn't even come close that this is a second chance. That's the very first I heard this from anyone in over fifty years of being a christian.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
CD2, pretrib says that Matthew 24:43,44 is speaking about a pretrib rapture (even though chronologically, the Lord describes it as an elaboration of verses 29-31. Also, in those parables, He never gives any indication that those "left behind" are given a second chance. They are "cast into outer darkness" and "cut asunder". This is contrary to the pretrib notion that after a pretrib rapture, people can get saved. It goes along with a post-trib rapture, in which those "left behind" truly get "cut
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor There's no second chance in the tribulation period..what gave you that idea? The second chance teachings come from a post trib view, because many quote Zachariah 14, and if one takes that to mean the lost, then it gives everyone a second chance in the millenium..
But please, please answer my question....please...otherwise, just stop.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
By the way, there is no wedding or marriage supper described as taking place in Heaven. Only the wedding announcement of Revelation 19:6-10, followed immediately by a description of the Lord's return in verses 11-21. Not one verse describing a wedding. That is also why the Lord NEVER described coming back with anyone other than His angels at His second coming.
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor I do have to apologize, you are right, there is no mention of the ceremony mentioned, only the announcement in 19...
But, even PTR believe that when raptured at the end of the tribulation period, the body of Christ goes up, meets Jesus in the air and comes back down with him, or have they changed that too?
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
CD2, I've pointed out when the Lord and Peter described the DOTL as beginning. That much is irrefutable. So the "wrath" we're not "appointed to" is not the tribulation. I've also pointed out when the Lord describes coming like a "thief" (after the 6th vial). That is also irrefutable. Notice also that the Lord says those not prepared will be "cut asunder" (in the parables of Mt 24/25). That leaves no room for a "2nd chance".
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor I'm sorry but what you are saying makes no sense....so the wrath wer not apointed to is not the tribulation?
I don't understand this second chance thing you are saying...maybe this should stop for a while because you are not making any sense now, plus you don't answer what I've repsonded to already, which makes for going in circles and making no sense.
I said that if we are to to through the TB. then we will know exactly what day He will come...please answer that.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
Also, with regard to the Lord telling us that He is going to come like a "thief" (Matthew 24:43,44), which Paul reiterates in 1 Thess 5:2), the Lord tells us exactly when He's going to be coming like a "thief":
Revelation 16:15- "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
Notice that this is after the 6th vial (which any pretribber would agree is just before His second coming). This agree with when I've alread
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor He can't come like a thief once we go into the TP, because Daniel speaks of how many days it will be, and from the signing of the covenant, we can countdown to the exact day that Jesus comes back. That's another problem with PTR.
So, anyone can wait till the last day to put their faith in Him to play it safe and not have to die for the Lord.
If you are going to take Revelation as a time line, then the Church is having the Marriage supper of the lamb in chapter 11.
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carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
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we are enjoying the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, we are going through the Judgement Seat of the Lamb, so these events are spoken of before chapter 19 when He returns to the earth.
You have to differenciate between the second coming which Jesus describes, and the rapture which Jesus says to pray that we be worthy to escape.
Like I say, escape what? The things that are coming on the whole earth as Jesus says...we have to look at the things that are coming on this earth.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
CD2, what is the "wrath" we're not "appointed to" (1 Thess 5:9)? He tells is in 1 Thess 5:2. It's the DOTL (which comes like a "thief"). When did the Lord and Peter tell us that the DOTL begins? After the trib. In Matthew 24:29, the Lord describes the heavenly signs coming AFTER the trib. In Acts 2:20, Peter describes the heavenly signs as preceding the DOTL. So the "wrath" we're not "appointed to" is not the tribulation. It's the wrath which occurs at His literal second coming (see 2 Thess 1:7
tumordoctor 5 months ago
@tumordoctor You are taking two events into one and that is where the problem lies with PTR. Which DOTL do you want to talk about? The one that's been taught over the last fifteen years or so, or the one before that? Cause, like I said, it was never taught that the DOTL was the day that Jesus came to this earth. The day of the Lord was the beginning of the TP. The wrath on that day He comes is Him speaking out and they are all destroyed. That's why the PTR Believers had to move the DOTL
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carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
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at the day of His coming. There were too many holes to leave it at the seven years of Judgements, starting with the seals.
This is another reason why I moved from post trib. to move the DOTL to the day He comes is new, and when something is new like this, it means red flags for sure. At least to me.
So, what DOTL do you want to talk about...I don't even want to discuss the new addition of the DOTL.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
CD2, I don't mind texting from my phone. It's just that I'm not able to keep the line of posting on any particular thread like I'm able to do from my desktop or laptop, so I know it's inconvenient for you to follow. What did you mean that Paul had written as such in his letters? CD2, do you have FB?
tumordoctor 6 months ago
@tumordoctor What I mean is Paul has said that we won't obtain His wrath, and then we see Jesus telling the church at Pha. that they will not have to go through the hour of testing that was coming upon the whole earth.
This same theme has been consistent with these writers.
carpentersdaughter2 5 months ago
CD2, you trying to say that what the Luke writes in Luke 21 is different from what Matthew writes in chapter 24 is reaching.
tumordoctor 6 months ago
@tumordoctor No, what I said was your trying to make the two chapters mean the same, and for the most part they do, but you don't want to accept what Luke is saying in verse 21, that's all. You have put words in other then what the author has indended and I've been pointing that out.
Now, why not just drop this? Jesus said PRAY that we be worthy to ESCAPE...why can't you just accept what Jesus has said? Paul confirms this in his letters too, and so does John.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
Sorry, but I'm posting from my cell phone.
tumordoctor 6 months ago
@tumordoctor That has to be hard. Don't your eyes get to hurting after a while trying to type in on those small keys?
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
CD2, the fact remains that in Matthew 24, the Lord says that we will need to flee, so Luke 21:36 cannot mean what you purport it to mean. The other option is that He's saying that we should pray to be counted worthy to stay alive until His second coming.
tumordoctor 6 months ago
@tumordoctor You are trying to put two chapters from two different books to mean the same and no one is allowed to do that.
Pray that we may be worthy to escape....escape what?????? ALL the things that are coming upon the WHOLE EARTH....
Do a word study here, look at what Jesus is saying.Stop trying to make it mean something different. It's plain and easy to see, just as John 1:1 is easy to see that Jesus is God.
Jesus is not saying to stay alive, but to ESCAPE....look up the word
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
CD2, when do you believe the "day of the Lord" begins?
tumordoctor 6 months ago
@tumordoctor When I was post trib, up until about fifteen years ago is was believed that the Day of the Lord was the Time of Jacobs Troubles....but now, it's been moved to the day Jesus comes.
Study Isaiah 25: 19-21...see that the ressurections happens first, then the Judgements of God on this earth.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
CD2, it is ridiculous for you to make a dogmatic assertion ("believe me") about a prophetic verse. If you don't want to believe it, that's your prerogative, but Paul was clear that he would rather depart. So praying that one doesn't have to live to see that period of time starts is not negated by what you insist others believe. And again, it's the parallel chapter to Matthew 24, in which the Lord clearly instructs us to flee.
tumordoctor 6 months ago
@tumordoctor Isn't that what you are doing to me by your comment? You are trying to tell me and others that Jesus is telling us to pray that we may DIE in order not to be in the Time He is speaking of. Jesus would never tell us to pray that we should die so we don't have to endure that period of time. Do you think that being eaten by Lions was any easier then someone getting their head cut off? No, the later is easier and He never warned themm or told them to pray to die.
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carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
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That's one of the biggest cop out's that I've ever heard and I was post trib for 35 years. When Jesus said Pray that ye be worthy to escape....escape what? ALL these things that are coming on the WHOLE EARTH...simple logical deduction...period!
Sorry you don't like it, no one is forcing you to believe it.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
One should make the distinction between pre-wrath and per-tribulation. The wrath of God is poured out on the wicked, the righteous shall escape. However, the righteous have endured tribulation for centuries from Pagan Rome, and Papal Rome. Tribulation still occurs today, in parts of the world.
In the parable of the wheat and tares, the angels separate the wicked and righteous at the end of the age. Also, there is the seal of God and the mark of the beast. My point is, there is a distinction
kenrich777 6 months ago
@kenrich777 I thought I did made it clear where I stood on that. I am sorry... :(
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
Absolutely taught to this person that produced this video by the Holy Spirit. Very very well done! I give 2 thumbs up and will pass on and favorite this teaching. All the Praise, Honor and Glory be to the Lord.
RaptureOrTribulation 6 months ago
Luke 21 is the parallel chapter to Matthew 24. In Matthew 24, He says to flee. As the audience is the same for both Luke 21 and Matthew 24 (His apostles), it is unlikely that Luke 21:36 is referring to a rapture. A very real possibility is that He's saying pray that we're not here for the start of it (by death; not be rapture). We would then also be standing before the Son of Man. For those who can't imagine that to be the case, "to die is gain".
tumordoctor 6 months ago
@tumordoctor So, you're trying to say that Jesus is saying pray that you die before all this starts so you can escape it? I'm sorry, but that's really reading into this verse that the author did not intend. Jesus isn't going to say, pray that you are worthy to die so you can escape all these things. That makes no sense at all.
This verse in Luke 21 is so clear on what Jesus is saying. But those who don';t want to accept it, interpolate this scripture, which is wrong.
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carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
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First Jesus tells us the signs and what to look for. Then he goes on to say, pray that you are worthy to escape ALL the things that will happen on the WHOLE EARTH.
Believe me, Jesus is not saying pray that we be worthy to die before these things happen.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
"Wow very well said indeed own pre-trib Lk 21:36....there is something also interesting on why the dead rise first at the rapture, Ck out thedeadrisefirstcom
altonragan 6 months ago
Sorta off topic, but what's up with all these muslims putting their bill boards by my church and sending me messages?
yomamapoops 6 months ago
@yomamapoops They're trying desperately to get into Christian churches. I've been getting e mails from them too. I don't know how they got mine, but I'm getting them all the time. Could be they got it from my website. Did you see my video on Chrislam?
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Yeah, that's exactly what the messages and billboards are about. It's irritating.
yomamapoops 6 months ago
@yomamapoops Yeah, it sure is. They should read Ezekiel 38 & 39 then they will find out just exactly what's going to happen to Islam..it's going to be desimated. 5 out of 6 will die, and there will be a lot of blood because of it too. I pray Jesus shows Himself to more of them.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
The key to understanding Luke 21:36 is the word “about”. Jesus said these things in 32 AD. The rapture wasn’t about to happen, but the destruction of Jerusalem, of which He had just spoken, was (Luke 21:12-24). That’s what He was warning them about. There was no promise that they would be removed from harm’s way before the Roman armies came as there is for us at the end of the age.
JoeCoolRoxYou 6 months ago
@JoeCoolRoxYou If that's the only thing Jesus said, then I would agree with you. But he went on to warn those and what to look for what was going to happen on the whole Earth. Now we both know that Jerusalem wasn't the whole earth. Jesus made it plain that we must be worthy to escape...escape what? ALL the things that were coming on the earth, not just Jerusalem. To say it's just Jerusalem is avoiding everything other thing that Jesus spoke about.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
If you look up the tribulation rapture on Rapture Ready it gives really good information about the pretribulation and why it is going to be a pretribulation rapture and not a post tribulation rapture :)
Dmozar 6 months ago
@Dmozar When I was post trib, I never found one person who could give a good sound answer as to why the rapture was before or just at the Tribulation Period. It wasn't until I did a deep study on Revelation that I realized that the post trib view had some real problems to it. I will check out his site to see what he has to say.
Thank you,
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2, Hey Linda... :) just wondered of you knew that nowhere in the Bible( KJV) does it say "The" Antichrist. It's only Antichrist.
cane03 6 months ago
@cane03 Yeah, I know it's mentioned only once. That's how most people recogonize him as, rather then the Lawless one and the others names that are given to him.
Take care,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
sorry, that's org, not ords
YeshuaMyRedeemer 6 months ago
@OFADK consider the Feasts that Israel celebrates, Jesus fulfilled the first four when He came the first time. In the Feast of Trumpets/Rosh Hashanah, the shofar is blown many times and the Jews called the final blowing "the last trumpet". It's an amazing study to study the feasts with the guiding of the Holy Spirit. If you're more interested, try going to endtimepilgrams.ords
YeshuaMyRedeemer 6 months ago
Linda, great video and beautiful visuals. The message is even more beautiful and full of truth. Bless you for the work you do to glorify our Lord and Savior.
YeshuaMyRedeemer 6 months ago
@YeshuaMyRedeemer Thank you Tracy, I always want God to be glorified.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
You must study Revelation. We are told that God will not begin His wrath until all the elect are marked and sealed. The mark and the seal may only be seen by the angels.It is a sign so that the angels shall not harm the elect.Have you not read were Jesus says" ten thousand shall fall on your right side and one hundred on your other side, but you shall stand." It amazes me that so many try to figure out satans mark but have no clue about Gods mark and seal on His elect.
NO RAPTURE
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vasiliosrigos 6 months ago
@vasiliosrigos In Revelation it doesn't say until all the elect are sealed, it says the 144,000 to read anything more into this part of Revelation is to interpolate scripture, which means to put something other then what the author had intended.
The wrath of the Lamb opens up with the seals, and yes, there is a Rapture whether you like it or not.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
Beautiful video, inspires hope! Thank you! :)
77Heatherbelle 6 months ago
@77Heatherbelle Thank you...To God be all the Glory...
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
Yes, Luke 21 is absolutely about a pretribulation rapture!
This was really well done. Bravo!
SnapDLizard 6 months ago
@SnapDLizard Thank you for your kind comment. To God be all the glory.
God bless you,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
I have mixed feelings about the pre trib rapture. This verse clearly states that God will give us an escape if we are worthy of it, so that's comforting. Some say that the body of believers will be the two witnesses. If I can breathe fire out my mouth then that's pretty cool too lol. So either way. Praise God! Blessed be your name forever and ever!
MrSteebin 6 months ago
@MrSteebin I was post trib for over 35 years, and hard core too, meaning I wasn't about to budge in my thinking. But the Holy Spirit brought some questions to mind when I was studying the book of Revelation. I sat on that for several years, until I finally realized that I had to dig in deeper. what I found was so obvious that Jesus will call His Church out when the Ac comes on the scene. I do believe we will see and go through some hard things before that though, and we need to be right with God
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
I'm a big believer in Act 2:16 (hence the Axe216 vids) - that being, the spirit of prophecy poured out on all flesh. Thus, pre, mid & post-Trib Rapturists are all right to a certain degree. 1) Main body of believers to be taken BEFORE the Trib. 2) Mid-Trib' would be the 2 Witnesses, & 3) The Martyrs being renewed in time for the Great Banquet. A Trans'trib belief - for lack of a more suitable term. "Rapture" being a word to describe the regenerated body similar to that of Jesus' resurrection.
TheGospelStuff 6 months ago
There are 2 K/kings coming and both come to claim what belongs to them. People may know them- but the question is- which K/king knows you?
Makes all the difference.
downyourtube 6 months ago
@downyourtube Amen and Amen...there will be many who say they know Jesus, but Jesus doesn't know them. Why, because they never put their faith in Him, just relied on their works.
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
They will make a vaccine out of the True Bloodline of Jesus. They will give it to all people on this planet at the same time. "MANY" will live. "FEW" will die. It is the "FEW", that is the true body of Jesus, filled with the Holy Spirit of God. This vaccine will act like a double positive to Our systems. We were already changed once. The second time will kill us. Listen to me- read the words of Jesus and do them, while you still can. Jesus keep you all.
downyourtube 6 months ago
@downyourtube I never heard of such a thing.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Please believe me. With all my heart (filled with the love of Jesus) I've told you the absolute truth this day.
downyourtube 6 months ago
@downyourtube Oh, I'm not accusing you of lying...I'm just saying I never heard this before. Where can I go check this out for myself?
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 I wish it was that easy. Read on my Channel what I wrote there. It kinda explains all of it. There is much hidden in our world, that no one ever noticed. I found it. It's like information hidden in watermarks in everything.
downyourtube 6 months ago
You do know that Luke was a disciple of the false apostle Paul yes a follower of Paul, so i would not take what he says to be of truth. he was not a true witness of our messiah. Matthew & John where his two witnesses, just bare this in mind, he likely has some truth mixed with lies just like Pauls letters!! beware!!
murrayoflight 6 months ago
@murrayoflight Oh,, so you're one of those...I don't talke too well to those who have swollowed up this lie like candy. Don't bring it to my home anymore. You want to believe that nonsense, that's your choice, but don't ever bring it to videos ever again.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Great attitude just what our father is looking for!! keep spreading your lies!! dont worry i shake the dust from my feet and move on!!
murrayoflight 6 months ago
@murrayoflight Wow, that's kind of harsh for a minor doctrine, don't you think? It's not a doctrine to get all upset about, yet I meet radicals like you all the time. When I was post trib, there were the not so nice radicals on the other side. so, you're just another one of those who likes to belittle someone just because they differ in the timing of the rapture...boy, you're a sad case for sure.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Its your mouth thats running not mine sister read your comments again, but this is the attitude that most tares come back with, you dont like being corrected, i was not accusing you just trying to correct you from error, why not follow as Christ taught instead you follow the false doctrines of men! you likely dont even no this is a sabbath day!! You confess with your lips you love him, but you certainly aint following him.
murrayoflight 6 months ago
Amen
THERAPTURECOMES 6 months ago
post-trib doesn't make much sense..
ZanarSargamathA 6 months ago
Sister. You need to compare Lik 21 with Matthew 24. They are told to flee into the mountains (petra). This is not referring to the church, it is referring to Jews, who will be taken by surprise when the anti-Christ breaks his covenant of peace and sits in the temple (Mat.24:15). To stand before the Son of Man ( A reference to Christ as the Messiah,Christ is never referred to the Son of Man in the Pauline Epistles) is to endure to the end and go into the Millennium (Mt.25)
edwardpf123 6 months ago
@edwardpf123 When Jesus tells them to flee to the Mountains, He is refering to the desolation of Jerusalem and the dispersal of the Jews. This was already fulfilled. When He later speaks, He is telling them to to get caught up in the cares of this life, and to be ready. He is speaking here about the time, just before the tribulation period. Matthew 24 goes into the AC going into the Temple,, and the destruction of Jerusalem which has been fulfilled.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 -Yes in Lk.21:20-24 he is speaking of 1st century Jews and the coming destruction of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 AD. Many Christians escaped from Jerusalem heeding this.
The destruction of Jerusalem in the Trib. is future since no abomination of desolation was set up.
Beginning with vs.25-36 it is speaking of the tribulation period and the 2nd Advent.
edwardpf123 6 months ago
Thanks Linda! I believe it will take place, not when there is no real need for it, but when there is a real need for it to happen; that we will escape - be caught up!
As I was thinking about when will it happen, Jesus said to me: "at the outbreak of world war 3". Could that be at the time described in Revelation 9:15 "So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind." ?
OFADK 6 months ago
@OFADK I think it's hard to take a Revelation verse and apply it to the rapture. At least it is for me right now. Maybe more stuides of this will show me.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2
I just purchased (10usd),downloaded and watched the "The 7 Trumpets" by Irwin Baxter at endtimeministries ( w w w . endtime.com ) and I think it was very good, and I recommend it. He has really good explanations for all the 7 trumps!
In fact amazing. But there is a question about trump 7 and the trump of God 1 Thess.4:17 and 1.cor.15:52, J.D. Farag is teaching about it :
w w w . youtube.com/watch?v=bFGrzxO9Dgw&feature=feedu
Well I´m not sure about it,I also study.
OFADK 6 months ago
Thanks Linda nice video.. It brings to my mine Revelation 3:10. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, therefore I will deliver thee from the hour of tentation, which will come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come shortly: hold that which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh, will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God. (Geneva bible) There's a big difference between Tentation and Temptation. Blessings Den
TheSeedPlanted 6 months ago
@TheSeedPlanted Thank you Den for sharing that.
Maranatha,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@yankobutt Revelation 3:10 "And I will keep thee from the hour of testing"... FROM = ek = OUT OF. hour= specific time appointed to judge and test. If Jesus tells us we will escape the cares of this life... what does that mean in light of all those believers who are beheaded for their testimony in Christ during the tribulation? How does this "comfort" believers? Is that the Blessed Hope? That we are to escape the cares of this world but still go through? just curious what your thoughts are. :)
jvsm1971 6 months ago
@jvsm1971 ive had people say that there is a rapture, but then some people come to christ after the rapture. they are the ones who are beheaded and who fight the beast
labartic 6 months ago
@labartic Im one of those believers. :) I believe His Bride (church) is removed before the Tribulation (Jacobs Trouble) BUT the biggest harvest will happen during the tribulation....Millions of Jews & Gentiles will call upon His name and be saved - a number uncountable.... - but they will have to go through the trib and many will be beheaded. But Praise God... out of HIS Judgements comes salvation! God bless you.
jvsm1971 6 months ago 2
Well done!
( I still feel prompted to remain neutral on this issue though. ... )
MyFriendLeonard1 6 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I don't blame you at all. To take a side means being abused by some radicals. It doesn't matter what view of the rapture someone has, there will always be someone who will disagree and do it nasty too. I like the guy who just told me that he will wipe the dust from his feet because I have moved from post trib to pre-trib...lol...some people just can't be nice.
Maranatha
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 I am shocked when at times I read some abuse directed toward you. If you ain't good enough, then I give up. : )
I think all Christians need to get grounded in Jesus' two great commands - neither of which have anything to do with scholarship. That then puts all doctrinal issues into proper perspective - as puzzling matters that serve to prompt us to more prayer, individually and communally, rather than salvational issues on which to hang our sectarian pride.
MyFriendLeonard1 6 months ago
I think it's about escaping this world, and all it's snares. Whether you are raptured, killed, or just die like my mother, who read this same verse and believed till the world came to an end, for her. Will she be counted worthy to escape all those things that came to pass, and to stand before the Son of man? I like to think she did, or will, or whatever. I hope we all do.
o0lBobl0o 6 months ago
@o0lBobl0o My Mom and Dad were both Believers, so I know that I will see them again. I have peace in knowing this, and it did help when Jesus called them home. Your Mother is joyfully in the presense of Jesus, and I can't think of a better place to be.
In Jesus Love,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
Amen Linda! Great video :)
God bless you,
Virgil
ishellreal 6 months ago
@ishellreal God bless you too Virgil...
Maranatha,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
Is it possible when he says "pray that you may escape all that is about to happen so that you may stand before the Son of man" that Jesus means... pray you will survive through the tribulations so that you can witness him coming on the clouds in glory?
labartic 6 months ago
@labartic For the Tribulation Saints that live theu the Big T - Yes.
Otherwise, Jesus is returning WITH the previously raptured Believers on white horses.
hiyosilver100 6 months ago
@labartic Well, Jesus said to pray that we be worthy to escape all the things that were coming on the whole earth...this is why I did this study because I wanted to understand what Jesus meant. Escaping and enduring are two different things. For those people who will put their faith in Jesus after the rapture will have no place to go, and God isn't going to send His Wrath on them. They are the ones who will have to endure to the end, as Jesus says in Matthew 24. Otherwise why pray to escape?
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 pray to physically escape the stuff going on in the world maybe? Who knows for certain... I say be prepared to stick around just in case. And if you get raptured up at least your friends or family will have some food to get through the famine.
labartic 6 months ago
thanks for your vid and sharing your study. the word dwell is interesting here if you look it up and the other references of dwell on the face of the earth. the others are in revelation during the tribulation but the one here is slightly different and from my study means to remain=#2521 in strongs. in rev 3:10, keep the from the hour of temptation, to try them that dwell, #2730= here a little different, in first you remain, here you are dwelling, inhabitor. dwell/remain to dwelling/permanent.
watcher0777 6 months ago
@watcher0777 the should be thee, keep thee. the word study in strongs gives more clarity on this aspect, i.e. the word dwell. thanks again Linda.
watcher0777 6 months ago
@watcher0777 You're welcome watcher....Thank you always for your imput.
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@watcher0777 You're welcome....
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@watcher0777 As I see it those who are dwelling on this earth, will get what Jesus said is coming on the earth. That's why we need to make sure that we have put our faith in Jesus, so we can be found worthy to escape those things.
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
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Very good sister I will repost on my Facebook page The Rapture is Imminent!
God bless you for your work for our Lord.
IPREACH4 6 months ago
@IPREACH4 Thank you for your kind comment. I agree that the rapture is coming soon. Still can't say when, but I sure can say it's not that far off. Too much prophecy is happening right now.
God bless you too,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Amen sister Linda you are so right. God is harvesting His crop. We must do all we can to wake up those who will hear and open their eyes and soften their hearts so that the Holy Spirit can convict them of their sins and bring them to Jesus! Amen. Keep looking up our Redemption draws near! Your brother in Christ. " For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18 Amen
IPREACH4 6 months ago
Very good sister I will repost on my Facebook page The Rapture is Imminent!
God bless you for your work for our Lord.
IPREACH4 6 months ago
Not bad
Draconus33 6 months ago
@Draconus33 Thank you....
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago
Great video... will win many hearts before it's too late! Now that ELEnin appears to be disintegrating... what will cause the pole shift now? Is Nibiru still behind Elenin? We are still going to escape Rev 6th Seal and the first four Trumpet judgments! It's still going to be sudden destruction and like a snare!
kingdomengineers 6 months ago
@kingdomengineers Haven't heard anything on elenin, I will search tomorrow on it. Before Elenin, there was going to be a pole shift anyway. I just can't remember how it was going to happen, Will check that out too.
As Jesus said, it's going to be a snare for all who are living on the whole earth. We are to keep watching and sharing the gospel up to the last second, or twinkling of an eye.
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 6 months ago