yo that coure is fly though...im comin from the bottem but now im mad fly,they say that im a menace thats the picture of the paint, they say alot about me let me tell u who i aint...he go hard though
The last verse is prolly one of da best tru story ever... Kind of make you relate to the track a lil bit more.... "We aint doing crime for da sake of doing crime...we moving dimes cause we aint doing fine..."
the reason lil wayne will never be on the same level as any real rapper, is because t-paining it/ singing is not rapping, and the real artists behind lil waynes music isnt lil wayne, its the beatmaker. same with most rappers coming out today, some dj/producer is making all the phat beats, and messin with the autotune while the "rapper" has a writer who writes for him and all he does is make sure it is on tempo. And they can barely stay on the flow these days. The burbs destroyed hip hops vision.
i always found it interesting that jay was one of the artists who took the most flack for being "too commercial" on albums..but when he brought out that creative and authentic side the "industry" as well as the streets weren't ready for what he brought...this record proves that the industry let alone the ppl will never be ready for real music
I have been listening to Jay since Reasonable Doubt and with all the albums and hit singles this album and this song is HANDS DOWNS MY FAVORITE JAY-Z iif not MY FAVORITE SONG EVER OF ALL TIME!!! IT'S BEAUTIFUL!!! He couldn't do it again its just one of those things when all the stars are aligned just right!!! What a beautiful song!!! I'm looking 4 the original instrumental but can't find it. Its a watered down version out there don't want it.IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE TO FIND THE ORIGINAL SEND ME A
this guy is a don!!! this fukin dude is the fukin man! i feel like I am on 170th and jerome in the bronx 1975 walking down the street and i am little again i swear this shit is authentic. This guy is just too much. i cant drive past marcy without thinking about this nigga i dont care if i pass by a dozen times i always say to myself this is where the don come from cause this nigga is a don..a mother fukin singing cowboy.
Songs like these are the reason Wayne will NEVER!!!!! be able to even be on the same plane as Jay.Its a emcee vs. rapper thing.Oranges and apples not the same thing.SAY HELLO!!!!!
I just hope jay-z knows how much his real fans appreciate this shit, get your money but thank you for the real stuff, jaydiohead is an ill remix by the way if yall haven't heard.
I listen to mostly 90s hip hop - Jay-Z is the one exception. He doesn't need to have 5 other rappers on a track to make it "popular", there's a reason he's worth half a billion dollars. Flow is sick. Good post.
Rick Ross had the songs "White House", and also did "This Me", which were the best songs on his albums. TI had "Look What I Got". His best song right now is the new NaS song "N.I.G.G.E.R. (The Slave and The Master). He's got his own sound that could make anybody sound awesome.
I didn't know Toomp made those songs either. "Look What I Got" and "Dope Boyz" are probably TI's best songs. "Do It Baby..." is really old- didn't know Toomp has been around that long. I found out who he was after TI came out with "You Don't Know Me".
A lot of people think all of his beats sound the same, but I just think he has a distinct style. Dr. Dre has a style, and so does Timbaland, and Lil' Jon. This is just Toomp music. It's Maybach Music to the fullest.
THANK YOU! I just listened to both songs again. It seems like Jay-Z was saying that he was kinda the same like darkskinned Jermaine from the standpoint of a hustler, but the difference being Jermaine was lame and he wasn't. That's interesting how artists' comment on the characters in each others lyrics and if you don't pay close attention you would miss that connection. That's the type of stuff that makes you a TRUE FAN of the art form. I am, but you were better on that one. Good Lookin Out!
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Dis song is da ish. Raindrops keep falling on my brain cuz im in da drop on flame Im so hot even if the weather change i dont have no top im insane. Dats fye
@stasiathestar ....reference to Biggie's song, 'you're nobody till somebody kills you".."silly cat, wore suade in the rain, swore he put the G in Game.....a fuckin shame, duke's a lame, whats his name?? Dark skin Jermaine,,see what i mean"...
cass is almost there that is the reason hov is still rapping hov is a legend hov best album is resonal doubt 1 and 2 this is alright album but this song is the shit
mega better then Jay? naw man come on. I respect mega but no man no. Tragedy Khadafi is not on Jay's level not even in the same damn sport. Killa priest had one good album heavy mental dont put him on that list
Them dudes will never make a song like this. They'll keep claiming they are underground and real hip hop but jay is walking the walk. This song and partylife is like bill gates and microsoft while the dudes on that list are small business..!!!
jay z is a genius. I dont care if hes black or white or whatever. Im a musician,and I think we're a different breed anyway. People need to calm down and just enjoy what hes laid out for you all. Its a waste of time to bicker over bullshit.
Now im a white guy whos a rap fan... I have no problem with "Niggers" at all, I think What they do is fantastic... Keep making the music. We love yaal
heyy ,, umm ,, that wer my brother lol as he sed a white 'guy' he probz didnt know,, this personaly is nt my style of music ,, he keeps posting as me cos i leave myself signed in lol
Its easy to be white and say the word Nigger on the computer. now if you were 2 say it on a random street in harlem and live to tell about it now thats impressive... something like that is youtube worthy
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This is one of the dopest song Jay Z ever spit and I don't care who doesn't get it, especially Lames...with names or no names.
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iradotson 3 weeks ago
This song's da shit ......
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TheEtherQ 7 months ago
Say Hi To The Bad Guy, I Come From The Bottom.. Says it all
yo123789 8 months ago
yo that coure is fly though...im comin from the bottem but now im mad fly,they say that im a menace thats the picture of the paint, they say alot about me let me tell u who i aint...he go hard though
MaRcUsGottWork21 9 months ago
The last verse is prolly one of da best tru story ever... Kind of make you relate to the track a lil bit more.... "We aint doing crime for da sake of doing crime...we moving dimes cause we aint doing fine..."
steves504 11 months ago
"BITCH!" Lol :3
MuzikPimpin 11 months ago
sum of biggie"s skillz rubbed off..this is the next best thing under the best thing(BIGGIE)
illumanist1 11 months ago
If u like hip hop check my version :p
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mitjasan3000 1 year ago
i still like Reasonable Doubt better. Jay-Z just had more complex lyrics
ROy1849 1 year ago
@DarkMetuMovement take it easy slim
chicagoo17 1 year ago
Feel good music
Corbenik 1 year ago
what the hek is th illest rapper
babe2234ify 1 year ago
@babe2234ify the best lol where u from hahaha
dvwillo88 1 year ago
dope
HUSSTLE2BUBBLE 1 year ago
His rhymes are as hollow as his name, they don't mean thing Immortal technique rips this guy apart ,.. the beat is nice though
Artezoros 1 year ago
@Artezoros are you serious? Talking about conspiracies all day doesn't mean anything as far as being a great rapper.
DonMack279 1 year ago
MY NEW THEME SONG !!!
Frankie3467 1 year ago 2
hello bad guy
sorteskat 1 year ago
mind on my money MONEY on my MIND if you owe me 10 DOLLARS you ant givin me 9
Frankie3467 1 year ago
some of those lyrics are off
defence336 1 year ago
at 3:07, it's system and not sister.
Khalif2526 1 year ago
Jay Z killed this one
harlembaddboi 1 year ago
who produced this beat?
justrude88 1 year ago
dj toomp
MrCobain215 1 year ago
@justrude88 P Diddy produced the whole album
speedieshax 1 year ago
@speedieshax no..he was the executive producer...
Dv8tion89 1 year ago
im an EXTRAordinary niggaa! damnnn.....
BEATDAT123 1 year ago
@BEATDAT123
diddy produced the album
prophecy973 1 year ago
@BEATDAT123 the way i read that kinda made me laugh
blizzyXL 1 year ago
beat so soulful. the bassline is so pimpalacious.
classic r&b songs from the 70s will forever be timeless.
pimpin4ever305 1 year ago
Classics like this make me fall inlove with rap.
JamalxAdonis 1 year ago
this song reminds mme at mi uncle house on thanksgiving playin pool in the basement.. it be blastin
Jamcrowds 1 year ago
he tore this shit up. aint a thug for the sake of bein a thug.
HomemadeNub 1 year ago
this song starts to kick ass at 55 seconds
rlanning0927 1 year ago 3
j's that jigga nigga 'n wayne's just a nigga
fsujci 1 year ago
the reason lil wayne will never be on the same level as any real rapper, is because t-paining it/ singing is not rapping, and the real artists behind lil waynes music isnt lil wayne, its the beatmaker. same with most rappers coming out today, some dj/producer is making all the phat beats, and messin with the autotune while the "rapper" has a writer who writes for him and all he does is make sure it is on tempo. And they can barely stay on the flow these days. The burbs destroyed hip hops vision.
ineedsomescrilla142 1 year ago
if you owe me ten dollars you aint giving me nine!!!
myaangeline 1 year ago
does anyone know how to get the drum symbol playing in this song?
TEKLEIN12 1 year ago
a did yal hear dat jay-z pass me the ball song
moneyboysproductions 1 year ago
When Jena 6 don't exist tell him that's when i'll stop saying bitch BIITTTCCCHHH!!!!
Epic
aiaaron3 1 year ago 6
When Jena 6 don't exist tell him that's when i'll stop saying bitch BIITTTCCCHHH!!!!
Epic
aiaaron3 1 year ago 5
this song go hard say hello
youngdrewest 1 year ago 4
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myaangeline 1 year ago
i can vibe to this song all day!!!! JAY HOVA!!!
mikedizel111 2 years ago 4
i always found it interesting that jay was one of the artists who took the most flack for being "too commercial" on albums..but when he brought out that creative and authentic side the "industry" as well as the streets weren't ready for what he brought...this record proves that the industry let alone the ppl will never be ready for real music
mister312 2 years ago 6
the last first...true words
tjoad4 2 years ago
I have been listening to Jay since Reasonable Doubt and with all the albums and hit singles this album and this song is HANDS DOWNS MY FAVORITE JAY-Z iif not MY FAVORITE SONG EVER OF ALL TIME!!! IT'S BEAUTIFUL!!! He couldn't do it again its just one of those things when all the stars are aligned just right!!! What a beautiful song!!! I'm looking 4 the original instrumental but can't find it. Its a watered down version out there don't want it.IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE TO FIND THE ORIGINAL SEND ME A
kingsofcobra 2 years ago 4
cant top dis
doug6604 2 years ago
this guy is a don!!! this fukin dude is the fukin man! i feel like I am on 170th and jerome in the bronx 1975 walking down the street and i am little again i swear this shit is authentic. This guy is just too much. i cant drive past marcy without thinking about this nigga i dont care if i pass by a dozen times i always say to myself this is where the don come from cause this nigga is a don..a mother fukin singing cowboy.
newyorkjamaican 2 years ago 7
real gansta musik
Domonique25 2 years ago 6
its da rock bitch
theriftable 2 years ago 4
Songs like these are the reason Wayne will NEVER!!!!! be able to even be on the same plane as Jay.Its a emcee vs. rapper thing.Oranges and apples not the same thing.SAY HELLO!!!!!
johnboiphoenix 2 years ago 65
true dat! This guy is bigger than rap. this guy is a movie.
newyorkjamaican 2 years ago 6
@johnboiphoenix IM WIT YOU ON THIS JAY IS THE BEST EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
SuperBIGSTEELE 11 months ago
illest rapper ever...believe that
dbzman1211 2 years ago 33
this is dope
westside159 2 years ago 4
I just hope jay-z knows how much his real fans appreciate this shit, get your money but thank you for the real stuff, jaydiohead is an ill remix by the way if yall haven't heard.
skilar5 2 years ago 4
i dont even listen to hip hop... but jay z is brilliant.
livinndarkness 2 years ago 5
people who don't like this album don't respect the concept; he made the album off a movie, that's crazy... jay-z is nice
complexbk777 2 years ago 4
man dis a theme...
s1ly0 2 years ago
lol dat is the snit
cartoonetwork2562 2 years ago
my shit!!
i gives madd props!
reddtakinova 2 years ago
i agree
BelizeanCoin 3 years ago
I listen to mostly 90s hip hop - Jay-Z is the one exception. He doesn't need to have 5 other rappers on a track to make it "popular", there's a reason he's worth half a billion dollars. Flow is sick. Good post.
PacifcNWPlaya 3 years ago 6
I'm Swap the pain Mad man oh!!
lioice 3 years ago
samples is the love we share is the greatest from them all of tom brock.
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LWAkira 3 years ago
the lyrics this person posted for this song are not correct, FYI
BigUpSTL 3 years ago
This Song Rocks..i have the album
xoxoMasonxoxo 3 years ago 4
Dark Jermaine is a character off of one of BIG's albums
heavencelebritygold 3 years ago
lol i kno what you say
but all of those shits with T.I. also fire arent they?
Technicaldeathstrike 3 years ago
T.I. feat. Young Jeezy: " I Got Money". Crazy. I love producers that have their own sound.
dawgie1234 3 years ago
agree! I heard couple Young Jeezy songs but probably its the best.
P$C - Bankhead also the one never exist on the past, even on the future.
Technicaldeathstrike 3 years ago
Rick Ross had the songs "White House", and also did "This Me", which were the best songs on his albums. TI had "Look What I Got". His best song right now is the new NaS song "N.I.G.G.E.R. (The Slave and The Master). He's got his own sound that could make anybody sound awesome.
dawgie1234 3 years ago
Oh N.I.G.G.E.R also producted by DJ Toomp? I didnt know that XD Just I thought it sounds so familiar.
Yeah Look What I Got also my favorite. And from his first album, I like "Dope Boyz" and "Do It Baby, Stick It Baby". Both beats made by Toomp.
Technicaldeathstrike 3 years ago
I didn't know Toomp made those songs either. "Look What I Got" and "Dope Boyz" are probably TI's best songs. "Do It Baby..." is really old- didn't know Toomp has been around that long. I found out who he was after TI came out with "You Don't Know Me".
dawgie1234 3 years ago
A lot of people think all of his beats sound the same, but I just think he has a distinct style. Dr. Dre has a style, and so does Timbaland, and Lil' Jon. This is just Toomp music. It's Maybach Music to the fullest.
dawgie1234 3 years ago
Yeah Kanye West has own style : sampling.
Btw, did you check The Game's single "House of Pain" produced by Toomp? It bit rough but keeping original sound like "Look What I Got".
Technicaldeathstrike 3 years ago
Yes!! I'm loving that song right now. It's easy to point out a Toomp beat because of his drums. He's just got that sound, and doesn't overdo it.
dawgie1234 3 years ago
Hey check "Wish You Would" Ludacris feat. T.I. also it's one of the greatest by Toomp on 2008 XD 2 hottt!
Technicaldeathstrike 3 years ago
yeah this shit comes from Toomp, one of my bests
Jay mad on this... like last "BIIITCHH!" lol
Technicaldeathstrike 3 years ago
What record or album was the reference to "DARK-SKINNED JERMAINE" from?
dmoneyswift 3 years ago
From Biggie song "You're Nobody Until somebody kills you" for the Life After Death album.
SupaGuap 3 years ago
THANK YOU! I just listened to both songs again. It seems like Jay-Z was saying that he was kinda the same like darkskinned Jermaine from the standpoint of a hustler, but the difference being Jermaine was lame and he wasn't. That's interesting how artists' comment on the characters in each others lyrics and if you don't pay close attention you would miss that connection. That's the type of stuff that makes you a TRUE FAN of the art form. I am, but you were better on that one. Good Lookin Out!
dmoneyswift 3 years ago
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toastmaster 3 years ago
The Poverty We Not Above So Out Come The Mask And Glove Cuz We Aint Feelin Da Love
DAMN Jigga U GAT SOME LYRICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sit Lil Wayne And Dem Other Wannabe's Down And Teach Dem a Lesson Jay-Z TEach Dem A Verse Or 2
HeadShotz4Snotz 3 years ago 2
I CANT ENOUGH A SONG
FRICK IT TIGHT
Dis A KILLA RIGHT HERE ILL HAVE DIS SONG PLAYIN IN MY CAR ALL DAY
HeadShotz4Snotz 3 years ago
Sayin im a bad guy ys that?
cuz wen my back against the wall..nigga i react!
secretly though i know u admire that.
YOU WISH U HAD THE BALLS TO FIRE BACK RAA!!!
wow..STOP THE BEAT I THINK IT DIED WEN HE SAID THAT EVERYTHING AFTER WUS OVERKILL
Heezey 3 years ago 7
but that last verse was damn serious
aspirincotton 3 years ago 2
4a sho!
uberchalice 3 years ago
when jena six dont exist thats when ill stop saying bitch BIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTCCCCCCCCH! - classic line AND HE took a shot at sharpton...
youngnov2003 3 years ago
i was never into jayz but damn, now i can see what the all the hype was about
gidawg23 3 years ago 5
As Kanye would say, "Toomp killed this shit...."
PootieTang05 3 years ago
Another Track Jay-Z Killed
I dnt Know Who da Best Lupe Fiasco Or Jay-Z
Its A Tie!!!!!!!!!!
HeadShotz4Snotz 3 years ago
lupe is just in the game since maybe yesterday, cmon man....
aspirincotton 3 years ago
True Dat But When He Came In Da Game Yesterday Nigga Came Out Wit Heavy Hitters
HeadShotz4Snotz 3 years ago
Dis song is da ish. Raindrops keep falling on my brain cuz im in da drop on flame Im so hot even if the weather change i dont have no top im insane. Dats fye
TrueJumpman 3 years ago 4
ive always understood this niggas lyrics thats what makes him so dope.
he brings shit to the table in an unorthodox way.
OGKaine 3 years ago 3
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Da bad thing about dis nigga is dat he's a fuckin sell out!
BIGST0N3 3 years ago
style...it's a question of style! HOV!!!!!!
thegame2342 3 years ago
this my favorite song off the cd....remember Dark Skin Jermaaaaaaaaaaineeeeeeeeeeeee
y3ll4b0i 3 years ago
who is dark-skinned jermaine
stasiathestar 3 years ago
@stasiathestar ....reference to Biggie's song, 'you're nobody till somebody kills you".."silly cat, wore suade in the rain, swore he put the G in Game.....a fuckin shame, duke's a lame, whats his name?? Dark skin Jermaine,,see what i mean"...
lightmajor1 1 year ago
this is my favorite jay z song
LionessVP3 3 years ago
" i aint no ordinary nigga"
look around and see what ordinary gets ya
Extraordinary figures
" im an extra- ordinary nigga" tHAT SHIT WAS FIRE LOL
VVaRGuEriLLa 3 years ago 3
Jay-Z style is so classy. you gotta know what he sayin to really feel him.
WIKEDWEST602 3 years ago 5
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best rapper alive.
mkellz 3 years ago
love this song
DJxDreDubz 3 years ago
i dont like rap... but i do like this song. excellent
livinndarkness 3 years ago 2
cuz this aint rap ..... this is hiphop its a difference.
OGKaine 3 years ago 3
dis song is so active
rodmx538 3 years ago
this is that playaz circle beat. its called "u can believe it"
MayorB35 3 years ago
I relate to this song sometimes, it feels the whole world falls on me
diamepiece 3 years ago 2
Just blaze dj toomp dr dre, right now.
yunghed 3 years ago
i got the remix on my ipod
that shit is HOT
same lyrics, but the track is better
bigknaw 3 years ago
its not the same as notniiuq2g video
ill see if i can put in on the net somehow
bigknaw 3 years ago
cass is almost there that is the reason hov is still rapping hov is a legend hov best album is resonal doubt 1 and 2 this is alright album but this song is the shit
JQUiK84 3 years ago
mega better then Jay? naw man come on. I respect mega but no man no. Tragedy Khadafi is not on Jay's level not even in the same damn sport. Killa priest had one good album heavy mental dont put him on that list
Truthinlife3 3 years ago
THIS IS A CLASSIC!
TopNotchWezzyChick 3 years ago 15
haha they dnt even come close to jay-z i cudda see if u said lil wayne
HeadShotz4Snotz 3 years ago
fuck you, stupid backpacker..
the only one on that list better than Jay is Rakim...
Ntzex 3 years ago
Them dudes will never make a song like this. They'll keep claiming they are underground and real hip hop but jay is walking the walk. This song and partylife is like bill gates and microsoft while the dudes on that list are small business..!!!
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just go home
lblake11 3 years ago
Hes da real shit and i dont listen to much rap.
richter3456 3 years ago 5
this my shit this is a fuckin boos in da booth...deff the best nigga no contest
juicechamp0 3 years ago 2
The remix of this track is unbelievable (on that American Thriller remix. Look it up)
FroLogic 3 years ago
i remember hearing a mash up to this song but it used lionel richies hello instrumental but i cant find it if anyone has info please reply!!!
idodatwork07 3 years ago
jay-z is a fucking beast he the best alive and i went the concert last night in h-town
billclinton87 3 years ago 7
LOVE this song!
Auragirl86 3 years ago 9
i luv the song the thin i wish they could do is make the ending a lil longer so we can listen to the instrumental part a lil more
chris233699 4 years ago 7
I could listen to this song all day. This is one of Jay'z best!!!
fatima33 4 years ago 18
Nobody do that where grew at nigga duh!!!!!
Sick
BenjaminFranklin2u 4 years ago 5
jay z is a genius. I dont care if hes black or white or whatever. Im a musician,and I think we're a different breed anyway. People need to calm down and just enjoy what hes laid out for you all. Its a waste of time to bicker over bullshit.
inkspot76 4 years ago 9
Now im a white guy whos a rap fan... I have no problem with "Niggers" at all, I think What they do is fantastic... Keep making the music. We love yaal
EmmaStott 4 years ago
Shut da fuck up cracker! "Emma Stott".
Brooklyn1919 4 years ago 4
heyy ,, umm ,, that wer my brother lol as he sed a white 'guy' he probz didnt know,, this personaly is nt my style of music ,, he keeps posting as me cos i leave myself signed in lol
StottskiB 4 years ago
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Ur properbly black aswell
StottskiB 4 years ago
damn dog u got balls saying nigger on the net you're like the 1st one to do that you are a fucking original
THATS WHEN I'LL STOP SAYING BITCH.
BIIIIOOOOTTTTCCCCHHHH!!!!!!
liverachi88 4 years ago 7
This is the coldest tracek on the album!
dunjahred 4 years ago 5
A NEW CLASSIC
chaldodon 4 years ago 4
Its easy to be white and say the word Nigger on the computer. now if you were 2 say it on a random street in harlem and live to tell about it now thats impressive... something like that is youtube worthy
kingofkings153 4 years ago 8
yeah u aint afraid to say nigger on the computer but, ur scared to say it in a room full of black people.
lblake11 4 years ago
Man This Dude Is the Truth.. He Gave it to The Summer And Like he Said it's the Winters turn.. Man Crucial MoveS
Respect247 4 years ago
cool...fix up the lyrics visual and it will be hot! good work
ricksterMAR555 4 years ago
Toomp is a beast.
purdue2009 4 years ago
Jay-Z moving from Def Jam to Sony was probably the best decision of his career.
That aside (kinda), this album is the hottest. Jigga's comin back, especially with beats like this. Worthy of the title American Gangster.
KingHotChocolate 4 years ago 2
Hottest song Jay has put out in a while
theriza98 4 years ago 2
wen jena 6 dont exsist tell em thats wen ill stop sayin bith BITTCCCCHHHHHHH!lol
tatertots412 4 years ago 6
BIIIIIIITCH!!!
KingHotChocolate 4 years ago
This is HARD right here.. No homo...
emmholla 4 years ago
that's like extra ho shit right there
bigbadblazer77 4 years ago
THIS IS THE BEST SONG ON THE WHOLE C.D.
misselaina07 4 years ago
naw its party life an i know
lasmit21 4 years ago
diz is my fav
dallaslatinking 4 years ago
when Jena 6 don't exist that's when i'll stop sayin bitch Bitchhhhhhhhhh
The best rapper ever
thos24 4 years ago 5
this rocks dude
larceb 4 years ago