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  • It's tough to watch an aging superstar go to waste in a team where the franchise only cares about money more than winning. Surrounding Nash with C level talent (with the exception of Gortat) won't get the team anywhere. Would love to see him reunite with Stoudemire in the Knicks. Best pick-and-roll duo EVER.

  • I wish Nash was with the mavs when they had won a Championship :(

  • This is depressing to see Nash go w/o a championship....

  • i just realized that stoudamire isnt shittt without steve nash

  • nash is raw shooter and passer and can drive

  • I feel so pity that Nash still haven't got his ring yet =(

  • steve nash is good player

  • 0:15 i thought it was oscar dela hoya in basketball uniform! wahahahh

  • best point guard EVER

  • One of the great all-time african-american players. Brilliant!

  • THE MUSIC ITS SHIT

    

  • 15th pick......?

  • my 2nd favorite point guard. 1st is D rose but nash is like a true point guard so like idk haha

  • @swagkids69 You would have loved to see Isiah Thomas then. He could pass like no one else when his team needed that - averaging 13.9 assists per game in 84-85 (more than Magic Johnson has ever done in a single season). He could also score like mad when that's what his team needed - he scored 25 points in the 3rd quarter alone, in a finals game vs the Lakers. He could force opposing guards to travel with his aggressive defense. So essentially - he was the best all-around guard (small guy) ever.

  • Nice quality man

  • d nash > nash

  • does anyone know the name of the song?

  • @saintyuanchen

    its called breakaway from Kelly Clarkson

  • nice

  • What is the name the song?

  • Loved that hook shot over Dirk.

  • Steve is one of the greatest African-American players of all time. I know I'm being 'politically correct', but that's how you would describe him. (Born in South Africa, but emigrated to Canada. All the do-gooders out there would want you to acknowledge his African heritage.)

  • He's good but sorry J Kidd is better because he actually plays defense

  • this is the most inspiering videos ive ever seen....

  • Just want steve nash win a championship.

  • the best  typo sorry

  • awwwwesoooome vid!  Steve Nash is yhe all-time best.

  • Always get Goosebumps when i watch this video, great job making the video Ben Lung :)

  • oh but im not some crazy biased phoenix fan because of my name or anything..i just think hes the best cause he makes his team better all the time and their all time record blows without nash

  • first bball mix ive seen with a kelly clarkson background song.

    hahaha

  • really good video steve nash is the best it sucks that he hasnt won a ring yet im hopin he will

  • 00:21 Is he Jason Kidd?

  • @mstfsircold i see your deff a youngin lol

  • Dirk looked odee tight

  • wrong steve nash is a great player

  • 240p we meet again

  • @Sawyerplaysball Got to think of something more creative and original to make top comment

  • ay yall check out my steve nash mix

    watch?v=k6NAkpRHTzU

  • allthough 6 years in dallas, his heart always belonged to Phoenix.

  • Steve Nash is my favorite basketball player.

  • does anyone know what type of stats did marion put up in the 05-06 season??

  • Steve Nash , Allen Iverson , Chris Paul, and Pistol Pete BEST PGS EVER

  • Nash is a beast why do we have to hear music like this

  • Steve nash has ridiculous court sense!

  • HE is LMP(Like the Most Player)

  • i'm fuckin cryin right now...!

  • @TheAlonp Your crying because of a basketball video? LOLOL.

  • Q ben mad!!!

  • All time #1 Point Guard to ever play the game.

  • @christianalicantee Derrick Rose laughs in your face, as well as Dwyane Wade, Magic Johnson, and CP3.

  • @JrvUnleashedMusic dwyane wade is not point guard smart boy 

  • @christianalicantee Iverson...

  • @christianalicantee Magic?? 

  • @PassTheMeth15

    He was a better shooter then Magic

  • @christianalicantee son of a fuckin bitch im glad to see 29 people agree with you now 30 though man i promise you so many people hate on him and say hes washed up and wasnt ever that good..i watch almost every game..hes that damn GOOD..he wasnt in the all star game last year with 17 and 11 midyear last season! because of his record...but rondo cant hit a midrange shot to save his life and he gets in..haha anyway man just appreciating the comment..cheers

  • @christianalicantee what about magic johnson!?!?

  • @christianalicantee 4 words: Magic Johnson John Stockton.

  • nash deserve to have a championship ring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    

  • whats the name of the song?

  • this vid is awesome!

  • No te retires nunca!!

  • championship for NASH if he stayed in Dallas....

  • steve nash is not a mvp he was last year

  • wats with the cool music

  • 9 minutes of video, about 20 seconds of actual basketball

  • watz up with the music?

  • I miss the NBA :(

  • what? the only reason nash is the way he is, is because of isaiah thomas...not john stockton or mark price

  • fucking legend

  • the best vid ever seen steve nash best gaurd there will ever in nba well done benlung

  • in every steve nash mixtape ive watched the music has been gay haha

  • gayest music evr

    

  • good

  • Nice music...if you like penis

  • damn forgot how good nash looked in that dallas uniform......

  • why would you pick such an awful song?

  • Steve Nash is the BEST!!!(cannot agree more),

    between wt is name of the background music?

    

  • steve nash is not only a great passer -- but a freethrow shooter he leads it all time --

  • whoever thinks nash is garbage does not know basketball. To say hes the best pg ill admit hes not, but hes the best floor general in the nba. Who else can lead the league in assists with a team that has two players past their primes nd frye nd gortat as their big men? NOBODY!!!! Dirk got a ring now nash u gotta get ur ring!!!!!

  • ta weeno

    el es mejor base de hisotoria

  • Legendary PG, World Best Passer and NBA History Most Assist. Steve Nash is friendly. He is my most favourite sport player. NASHTY!!!

  • This is the most unfitting song you could choose.

  • RIP steve. rest in phoenix

    

  • Now that Dirk and Kidd got the ring, I really hope that Nash gets one.

  • OVERRATED

  • @Julianrichey69 my ass fuckin dumb shit

  • @gtcochran1 haha okay that's why he has sooo many rings right (0) and know other team wants him right now? Try reading a book you moron or paying attention to basketball and acting like you know something. Haha fucking idiot

  • @Julianrichey69 hey fuck u. when has he been on a REALLY good team? never. every year he has a team with a terrible defense. oh yeah about every year he is in top 3 of 3 point fg %. and look at the other comments and learn dipshit. wait? overrated? go kiss his 2 MVP'S motherfucker

  • @gtcochran1 Hey buddy get your fucking facts straight the last two NBA seasons nash finished 10th in 3pt. shooting percentage. So try actually being smart before calling somebody a dipshit you MORON. Look at all the other comments, you guys are all steve nash lovers aahaha. Nash fucking sucks and hasnt done shit. A true MVP wins championships and makes first all nba teams like kobe bryant. So go and read a book so you can atleast know a little about stats you dumb motherfucker.

  • @Julianrichey69 thats why i said ABOUT every year DIPSHIT. When has nash had a good defense and a good bench like the lakers

  • @gtcochran1 well look at the stats dipshit, its not about every year, 2 times in the past 7 seasons hes finished in the top 5. You really shouldn't be calling people dipshits when you can't get your facts right. But i guess a TRUE dipshit would do that. Stop bitching about nash's bench. He had amare which is one of the best players in the league, he had carter, alot of all stars there bro. They had their chances. Nash is just garbage and overrated. That's why nobody wants him right now.

  • @Julianrichey69 if he shot more he would be up there but aint a ballhog like kobe. o great he got carter a washed up guy who aint the same as a few years ago and o great he has the same as carter, grant hill. he aint garbage, he does a lot of charitable and very genorous things

  • @gtcochran1 I didn't say he was a bad person, he prob does a lot of cool stuff. I said hes garbage on the court. Kobe ballhog? he averages 30ppg with one of the best fg % in the league. He made the Lakers who they are. In fifteen years when people hear "Lakers" first thing that will pop in there mind will be Kobe Bryant. Also, Vince Carter Averaged 14ppg in 30 minutes. I wouldn't call that washed up. Its a good team, just can't execute. Nobody makes them better like Kobe does for the Lakers.

  • @Julianrichey69 true

  • @Julianrichey69 you can't compare nash with kobe. wth? kobe's more atlethic than nash. we love nash because of his work ethic. he's not as athletic as many other players but he has a good basketball IQ to replace it with. nash doesn't suck.. you do, because you criticize too much.

  • @jerichlyden Okay yeah of course not. Steve nash doesn't suck at all hes a great player. What I'm saying is he is no champion. He doesn't elevate his team or make them any better. He just runs the offense well and makes pretty little passes. So don't call me a loser when you know nothing about me you miserable little faggot

  • @Julianrichey69 what do you mean he doesn't elevate his team? he always does his best for whatever the system gave him. they just can't get the right players to play with him. it's not his fault. i know nothing about you except you don't like nash the way we do. sure kobe's greater than him. but that doesn't mean he's not. so don't go bitching around someone you don't like because there are others who respect him. i respect your opinion but calling him a garbage on the court is just way too much

  • @jerichlyden Yeah i respect your opinion to I'm not saying hes garbage I'm just saying he is not great haha. They have given him soo many players. Amare Stoudimaiere, Shaquille O'neal, Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, Grant Hill, Barbosa. Comon dude they gave Nash plenty of players and chances to make it and he still couldn't do it. The guy is not garbage but there are a lot of point guards i would take over him. His ability to see the floor well made him his brand name "nash" and nothing else.

  • @Julianrichey69

    I was reading some of your other comments, and you said "he's garbage on court", and then the post prior to this one, you said he's great, and now you say he's not.

    Anyways, in regards to this post, half the players you named were passed their primes when they played with Nash. Nash led a 29 wins team to a 62 wins team, that alone is something 99% of players cannot accomplish. Yeah, he didn't win a champ, but greatness doesn't stop there.

  • @Julianrichey69

    He alone gave the whole franchise hope. Things to look forward to. We all know what happened in 2007. Him and Kidd (Nets) are the only point guards that changed their teams from weak teams to contenders. Sure you can pick another pg over him, just like I'd pick another sg over Kobe, but I wouldn't go as far as calling Kobe shit or anything because he's a great player. How can you not acknowledge Nash's contribution to the team and the league?

  • @y2aat Who the hell kind of sg would you pick over kobe? I'm not even a fan of kobe but comon now haha. Yeah nash is a great player and has gave a lot to the league.Exactly like you said, he gave the franchise HOPE, last time i checked hope doesn't mean shit unless you execute, which nash has failed to do. Contenders????? Give me a break bro, he brought them to the conference finals one year

  • @Julianrichey69

    Right now? Wade of course, much healthier much better.

    Since you've been telling people to check their facts, here's a taste of your medicine.

    Nash brought Suns to Con.Finals three times (05,06, 10)

    05 you can make a case that he had quite the cast, but why don't you check who he had for 06 and 10.

    Hope's not important? Go look at Cavs after Lebron left lol.

  • @y2aat Yeah 09-10 season Lakers fucked them up in the conf. finals. Wade better then kobe?? Wow you really just said that. Kobe was way better then wade at his age and is still way better now. Numbers don't lie, wade doesn't touch kobes stats or records. Wade has no mvps, nowhere close to as many All NBA First teams as kobe get out of here lol. Yeah LeBron gave them more then hope. He put them on the map and lived up to his name. He actually brought them to the finals unlike nash

  • @Julianrichey69

    Really? Kobe's better than Wade right now? LOL.

    Ok I'm gonna stop here.

    And if 3 conference finals don't justify anything for Nash... then you're just a straight troll.

    In case you didn't read my very first post since you didn't reply to it. Nash led a 29 wins team to a 62 wins team, that alone is something 99% of players cannot accomplish.

    Mind you, Kobe couldn't make it outta first round without Shaq and Gasol.

    LOL and Nash didn't live up to his hype? HE EXCEEDED IT.

  • @y2aat Yeah how long did it take him??! lmao, wins don't mean shit if you cant execute. Playoffs 07 Mavs lost in the first round to 8th seeded warriors. Mavs were 67-15. So regular season doesn't mean anything. Nash couldn't done it without Amare. Your basketball IQ is very low lol. When wade gets 4 more rings then he could maybe be mentioned in the same book as kobe. Or maybe when he wins a mvp. Or comes close to him on the All time scoring list. Ahaha you're a MORON.

  • @Julianrichey69

    With all due respect to Kobe, you think he could've done it without Gasol?

    And you think Shaq could've done it without Kobe? >=).

    Unlike you, I can pay respect to all great players.

    I was having a great time debating, but you have to resort to calling me a moron or having low bball iq because you can't compose a logical argument. I don't like to do that, but anybody reading our conversation will be able to make out who the real moron is.

  • @y2aat Haha yeah that's forsure on that last note. But your absolutely right, nobody can do it on there own. Nobody. I respect great players but Amare was the real star in Phoenix. Check this out the suns make the playoffs over and over, then when Amare leaves he puts a team in the playoffs for their first time since 1999, his first year! Then the suns miss the playoffs. LOL, What does that tell you? Nash can't single handedly do anything. Great player but not one of the best in history

  • @Julianrichey69

    It's tough when your single best player is a 38 years old Grant Hill. See, I don't disagree that Amare is a hell of a talent, but in 2006, Nash brought the team to the Conf. Finals even though Amare was injured and absent from the playoffs, and Joe Johnson also left the team. Nash went to Western Conf Finals with Marion and newly acquired Diaw basically.

  • @y2aat

    Second*, not single.

  • @y2aat Yeah Marion is a baller bro, he averaged over 20 points per game for the suns that year haha, and joe johnson averaged 17! I'm not judging your bball IQ man but comon now what are you talking about "he basically went with marion and johnson." Two Nba All stars lol. What did diaw add, another 13? lmao

  • @Julianrichey69

    Joe Johnson was traded away already so he didn't play in the playoffs.

  • @y2aat That's where your wrong my friend, That 62-20 season you were talking about. Johnson Played 9 playoff games with the suns that year and averaged 18.8 ppg.

  • @Julianrichey69

    That was the 05 Season.

    The season Amare didn't play was 06, which was also the year Joe Jonhson got traded away for Boris Diaw.

  • @y2aat The 05-06 season is the one Amare didn't play and johnson was traded. The season before that 04-05 was where johnson,diaw AND amare played where amare averaged just under 30ppg. So how Mr. Big time steve nash didn't win it that year idk...

  • @Julianrichey69

    K I'm getting tired of this to be honest LOL been replying for the last what? One hour?

    I like to call the 05-06 season the 06 season because that's when the playoffs begin.

    Anyways, they lost because Spurs was a better and more experienced team, led by the greatest power forward of all time, Tim Duncan.

  • @y2aat Pshhhh Duncan..hahaha ohh man

  • @Julianrichey69

    Part 2

    Lol what does being beaten by Lakers have to do with anything?

    Nash led a 50ish million salary team against a 90ish million salary team.

    If anything, people should be proud.

  • 2 of the old big three (finley , dirk) have rings except him :(

  • Steve Nash Is the only one who SHoots the game>.<

  • i want steve nash play in mavs again...

  • Steve is Great!

  • this song is Kelly Clarkson - Breakaway ^^

  • Thats arole model I would like to follow

  • 124 people must really hate Canada. O.o

  • He was better in Dallas!!!

  • @dule93bg actully he played soccer before basketball not football

  • he is my idol. he is the best damn person i have ever seen. salute to mvsteve.

  • wtf...... stop comparing nash and kidd...

    There both great....!

  • It should be Steve Nash instead of Jason Kidd with the mavs right now..

  • wats with the gay music????

  • he played football before he took up basketball

  • somebody know which is the name of the song???????

  • I really miss 04-05&05-06 Phoenix suns.

     a good memory

  • In a Suns uniform Jason Kidd had 655 steals in 4 and a half seasons. Steve Nash has 473 steals in 7 seasons as the Suns point guard. Kidd has 182 more steals in 2 and a half less seasons. The Suns never missed the playoffs once with Kidd at the helm. They have twice with Nash. Jason Kidd was the greatest Suns point gaurd and the best point guard the past 17 seasons.

  • @iheartnonamejane The only way you can compare them is the passing skills, Nash don't rebound or even come close to playing D, Kidd has 4 first team All NBA Devensive teams to his name. Nash couldn't make an all devensive team if his life was depending on it. But at least Kidd helped get Dirk to the Finals and they have a real chance to win a title. Nash can't say he helped lead a team to the Finals. Kidd has three times now.

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca But Nash has 2 MVP's and he has won 60 games twice in Phoenix and the farthest the went was the West Finals. Both Kidd and Nash have 3 All NBA First team nods as the Suns starting PG. But Kidd had two seasons in Phoenix we he was All NBA First team and All NBA Defensive first team in the same season. Kidd never missed the playoffs in Phoenix though like Nash has. You would think a two time MVP would be able to make the playoffs every season.

  • @iheartnonamejane Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaq, Havliceck, Kobe, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Isiah Thomas, Hakeem, Barkley, Wade, Garnett, LeBron, Moses, Barry, Clyde, Kidd, Ewing and Pettit have all missed the playoffs. Basketball is a TEAM sport. You're holding Nash to an IMPOSSIBLY high standard.

  • @iheartnonamejane but nash is so old now, he cant lead a team to the playoffs like before. Kidd was in his prime when he led the nets, now he had a great dallas team to get to the finals with.

  • @iheartnonamejane calm down. the suns still had winning records both those seasons

  • @iheartnonamejane but kidd always had great teammates. he had kj wen he was in phx then vince and rj in new jersey and dirk and terry in dallas nash never had anyone with him in dallas except for dirk and he wasnt very good until a few years later. and this past year he had no one on his team and still managed to be first in assists.

  • @kukymonster8o8 what about amare ,

  • @abo3zyz im talking about the 2010 2011 season he only had frye at the best and hes not good enough to be a star

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca Nash had the misfortune of peaking while Duncan's Spurs and Kobe's Lakers peaked as well. He played in a much, much tougher conference then Kidd did when he led the Nets to the Finals. Nash has led the #1 offense in the league for 9 years in a row, something Kidd has never done.

  • @dbzcoolman23 Nash can lead the league in team points and assists per game all he wants, Kidd led the leauge in assists per game three seasons in a row just like Nash. Kidd has played D his whole career, not as good a he once was but the 38 year old man slowed down LBJ enough to help Dallas win a title. Kidd is leaps and bounds a million times a better basketball player than Nash. Shine those two MVP's real nice Steve cuz Kidd has a ring.

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca that's entirely your subjective opinion. Do you have any statistics to back you up? Look at adjusted plus/minus, win shares, PER, whatever you want...they all point to Nash.

  • @dbzcoolman23 Kidd pulls down 6.5 rebounds a game career and has 2 steals per game career compared to Nash 3 rebounds per game and .5 steals. Kidd makes any team bettter with his D. Nash passes and shoots 3's and his teams D gives up 110 a game every season. Kidd makes the playoffs every season. Nash the 2 time MVP has missed the playoffs two times the past three season. Some MVP Steve Nash is. He is so overrated.

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca don't be disingenuous. If Nash is such a terrible defender, why do the Suns give up more points when he's OFF the floor? And of course he'll miss the playoffs when his second best player is 38 year old Grant Hill. Basketball is a team game. Like I said before, many of the game's legends have missed the playoffs multiple times(Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Barkley, KG, Havliceck, etc. etc.). I can understand someone saying "kidd is better" or "nash is better", but it's not a huge gap.

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca I love how you're using "Nash passes and shoots 3s!" against him. Nash is statistically the greatest shooter of all time. Also, Nash's teams don't give up 110 ppg every year. Finally, Kidd has also missed the playoffs twice. Now you're just making stuff up! You're straight up lying. That's not honest debate man. I'm not going to argue with a liar. You have your opinion(based off lies), and I have mine(based off facts).

  • @dbzcoolman23 When did Kidd miss the playoffs? He hasn't since 1995-1996, his second year in the NBA. 15 seasons in a row in the playoffs. Nash has missed the playoffs two out of the last 3 seasons. And the past 3 seasons the Suns D gives up 110 points per game. Dirk is the greatest shooter of all time not named Larry.

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca Nash's eFG and TS% are actually higher than Dirk's. He also has set the record for most 50/40/90 seasons by a long shot(beating Larry AND Dirk). Nash has missed the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 seasons because he's had absolutely terrible teammates. 09, Amare was injured, and they missed the playoffs by 1 game, setting an NBA record for best record w/o a playoff appearance. Last year the 2nd best player on the team was 38 year old Grant Hill!

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca Without Nash, the Suns would be one of the worst teams in the league. There is absolutely no talent on that team outside of Nash now that Amare's gone. He dragged them to 40 wins by himself. Look at this adjusted +/- ratings over the past 5 yrs. He's had the 2nd highest net effect on his team, only behind LeBron. Dirk is 3rd, Dwight 4th, and KG 5th. And you can't blame the Suns defensive struggles on Nash: they give up MORE points when he's OFF the floor.

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca He's a net positive on defense, and that's a fact. Look at my post down the thread: reports of his atrocious defense are vastly overblown. He's not a good defender, and but he's not a terrible one. He moves his feet, plays excellent help defense, and is always one of the leaders in charges taken. PG/SG defense is far less important than big man defense, because a good offensive guard will beat their defender the majority of the time no mater who is guarding them

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca The Suns defense has sucked ever since Gentry took over because there simply are no good defensive bigs on the team. Nash played with Dirk in Dallas who wasn't a good defender, Amare in PHX who has been TERRIBLE at defense, Shaq who has gotten roasted on the PnR his whole career, and Marion, who is a great defender unless you make him guard PFs, which was his role here. Nash has had no help on defense his entire career, and yet he's statistically a net positive as a defende

  • @doesyourgodcomeinaca Anyways, we can both agree that they are two of the best point guards of all time. I'm happy that, as a Suns fan, I've gotten to see both of them play for my team in their primes. The NBA will be in a much sorrier state after these two legends retire. The older generation of players(Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Pierce, Allen, Nash, Hill, Kidd, Dirk, etc.) are so much more worthy of our respect than the new generation IMO.

  • @iheartnonamejane Nash's defensive failings have been wildly exaggerated. He's not a GREAT defender but he's still a solid one. He moves his feet, he brings timely help, he takes charges. Don't forget that the PG and SG positions are the ones in the league where most help is required. The fastest players in the leagueplay at those positions. A competent NBA player will get past the first defender at those positions, even against guys like prime Bruce Bowen, Scottie Pippen, Ron Artest, etc.

  • @iheartnonamejane hahaha first round exist with kidd

  • @abo3zyz hahaha Kidd has a ring.

  • @iheartnonamejane not with the suns.

  • Jason Kidd had 1569 rebounds in 4 and a half seasons in a Suns uniform as the point gaurd. Nash has 1629 in 7 seasons as Suns point gaurd. Nash has 60 more rebounds than Kidd with almost 3 full seasons more under his belt as the starting point gaurd. Nash is so overrated. His teams always gives up 110 points a game. He has never played D.

  • @iheartnonamejane And for years, Nash played with weak defenders. Dirk before he turned into a good defender, Amare (who is both a weak defensive rebounder AND has mostly been a horrific defensive player throughout his career), playing alongside Shawn Marion at the 4 which was a large defensive liability much of the time against scoring PFs...Nash wasn't ever really a bad defender, just not a particularly prolific player at picking passing lanes, which is how most PGs make a defensive rep.

  • wow you both are super haters...stop looking up stats for a stupid arguments and agree that theyre both amazing

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  • Charles Barkley is right father time is undefeated...but Nash has a couple years left lets hope the Suns miraculously get nasty and go on one more playoff run

  • shitty song for a nba highlight vid....

  • fuck those mavericks fans who booed my man steve nash when he was in dallas. now look what he did on phoenix he kept on making some plays for his team.

  • Best Steve Nash Mix....Steve is so smart, just look at his smile at 3:23. Awesome!

  • nice  vid!!

  • He can still play... just watch and learn nxt season.

  • what is the name of this song?

  • bring back the old days were NASH, BELL, DIAW, MARION and AMARE dominates the court! sick line up! nash is whooping up their asses! =))

  • Steve Nash is the best point guard that ever played the game and he deserves a ring so bad but he's not going the get one in phoenix unless they make so good trades and get there old team back or unless he go back to Dallas

  • Steve Nash is the BEST!!!

    2011 - 2012 season, he will be the MVP again...

    and a Ring too.

  • @phamie13 one of the dumbest comments ever- do you watch the NBA? HAHAHA but seriously he's certainly past his prime