If you want to despair, just read the mass of brainwashed stupidity in the comments below. The enviros hate science and technology, but they are good at propaganda and they have succeeded in brainwashing a lot of the masses. For what it's worth, everything the guy says about fracking in this video is true. But if you want to believe the anti-energy rubes, go right ahead. You and the enviro-idiots can walk to work and freeze in the dark. That'll make it cheaper for the rest of us.
Gasland is saying the problem is loosening the Water & air act. He offers ideas no brainers for tightening up safety. This rant is from someone with a alternate agenda no doubt, it always is. never buy what people like this are selling, to many times money over lives is the theme of the day. Ron Baily frac you
Yeah, the technology is safe as long as we can keep flawed humans out of the picture, LOL. That's the fatal problem with all of our modern high-tech systems: they depend on flawed humans to build, run and maintain them. And human health is slowly being degraded by those very high-tech systems. It's not hard to imagine where that will lead.
Hey mister @ReasonTV science guy, if methane is escaping to groundwater through bad pipe casings, how is it possible that high pressure fracking fluid is not?
Soooooo when they do it right it is safe. Problem I have is historically, energy companies do it cheap - not right. They don't give a shit about people outside of their pocketbooks.
the left's agenda is clear as day. cap-and-trade, carbon tax, anti-fracking and oil refineries. it's not about the environment, it never was. it's about limiting natural resources and energy.
why? just read your Marx and you'll find out. For socialism to work there has to be a presumption of scarcity. If the Earth is plentiful then leftism and Marxism don't have a leg to stand on.
@benboisdbest ironic, since your juvenile hit-and-run comment succinctly represents everything that's wrong with the internet: baseless name-calling behind the protection of anonymity, while offering nothing of actual substance to the conversation.
have you read the works of Marx? Gramsci? that's rhetorical, i already know you haven't. you don't comprehend what i'm talking about, you don't even have a frame of reference. other than maybe wikipedia.
@eleutheromaniac The idea that, "If the Earth is plentiful then leftism and Marxism don't have a leg to stand on", is logically flawed. If we lived in a world free from scarcity the commodities upon which we place value today would have no intrinsic worth. This worth is something which modern capitalism relies on as without it goods cannot be produced for profit.
@benboisdbest gains and losses is a part of every economic ideology, including Marxism.
And something being plentiful does not mean it cannot also be profitable. Because if it's plentiful, that means it is easier and less expensive to aquire. Coal for example is a big and profitable business.
Marxism requires resources to be limited so that the State becomes necessary to parcel out and ration resources, playing the role of benefactor. If resources are plentiful the State is superfluous
Hydraulic fracturing - or "fracking" - is a fa$t-growing source of natural ga$ used to create electricity, heat home$, and more. It involve$ forcing water, $and, and chemical$ into super-deep well$ and BLA BLA BLA................. GREED is limitless, the technology is there, BIG OIL makes sure we don't get it, I bet they also said the GOLF of MEXICO would be safe. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!!
the only way we are going to stop this fracking insanity is to get together in a class action to sue the pants off these big corporations that ride roughshod over environmental issues and peoples health concerns
Say no to fracking that will kill you go green solar hydro wind say no to fracking say no to nuclear both a waste nuclear may be clean compared to fossil fuels but it cost way too much
This clown has obviously been paid off like so many other sheep. It's dangerous, period. And don't fall for the gas companies bs about bringing prices down. Close to 90% of all gas and oil from the U.S. is exported where they'll get top dollar.
Nick Gillespie should never refer to this guy for scientific advice ever... The whole point is that we could really be investing our time energy and money into a number of other energy sources.
They're fracking over here in Ohio. Already there have been earthquakes as a result of tracking, and as a further result of that, property values will decrease because of the fear of earthquakes. Being more expensive than crude oil, its gonna bring gas prices up. Its going to infect our water and the earth is going to be contaminated to the point where it cannot be useful anymore. And its all at taxpayers expenses.
@MonacoLager1 So what are you saying there was never any earthquakes in Ohio before they began to frack. The price will not go up it will go down because there will be a greater supply. It will not affect the water supply you should talk to a few driller's that drill for water and ask them if they ever hit a shallow pocket of gas. I guess you don't want jobs either because the natural gas supply will bring many jobs.
@STORMLORD70 I would like jobs in this state. I would rather them bring more jobs into Ohio with the casinos than fracking. Plus, it would mean our drinking water is cleaner. Would you rather have cleaner water or dirty water for your children to drink?
@MonacoLager1 How many jobs will a casino make for Youngstown more people will gamble because they have no jobs and Youngstown will be a bigger shithole than it is now. Stop and think without industry we could be destroyed as a nation. Are you willing to give it all up and even let other countries come one day attack us and destroy the land we live on?
Get the money today----- TO HELL WITH THE FUTURE-----in todays paper earthquakes caused by injecting fracting waste back into the Earth are shaking the ground in pennsylvania...in time instead of smoke this is what they will be putting up your you know what..
Centralia, Pennsylvania any one remember Centralia? In 2004, The Pennsylvania Dept. of Environmental Protection continues its warning discouraging visitors to Centralia. "Walking and/or driving in the immediate area could result in serious injury or death. There are dangerous gases present, and the ground is prone to sudden and unexpected collapse. I have personal issues with family involved on the get rich scheme of fracking..my question.. where are the veins of Centralia, burning?
If one of those veins burning hits a big pocket of this fracked up gas and if indeed this is not Marcellus Shale, but rather part of the Hugoton Panhandle Gas Reserve...well things could light up in a flash and a blast in the blink of an eye! Game over!
The best thing this country could do would be to send all liberals to an island in the gulf and let there stupid opinions and ideas collapse the island into the sea....these "progressives" do nothing of value!!!!
@kyle0127 Funny, we say the same thing about you, how ironic is that? True is, this is every Americans country, so if YOU don't like it then YOU can leave.
i want to watch this fool drink water only from the area they are doing it. that should be a new law: natural gas mining companies may/must only drink water from the area they are fracking.
@MarcellusDeMayo There are hundreds of documented cases of contamination from land that was never fracked too. That is natural. Do you idiots think the land is going to keep 100% of the gas inside the rock indefinately? The funny part is that you are the same kooks that believe CO2 is going to cause Armageadon based on carbon millionaire Al Gore and his multibillion dollar carbon scam. And you still have the audacity to someone else a shill? Are you really that stupid or are the the "shill"?
@spudone1000 I am also but I mean in my opinion, it's a safe technology. I've been around even though I live in New york I'm a rock throw to PA and people were worried at first with it but it's grown on them and at first there were fights at bars but the crowds started to mix, a lot to do with more people from here working with Great companies like Chesapeake. I cant speak for all companies but I've been near some of they're sites and they do everything right to keep everyone safe.
Its not safe and should be banned...its not about the casings at all.....they can not stop it and no matter if they put kryptonite around the casings all them chemicals and many others they dont exactly tell you get into the water/dirt....its not just the water systems ...these people leave the eco mess
Why not show the trade chemicals thats in the water and sand they flush through! Trade Chemicals that are kept from you the public. Just Sayin and its 100% fact.
Wow great smooth over by a "certified scientist" .... coff coff payroll coff pay roll ... Company's with money have the power ( money ) to pay an " expert " to smooth things over ... How obvious is this people ...we have better ways to find energy . wind solar geo thermal .. Although some half brained dipshit finds gas in rocks so they go and rape the crap out of the earth for it ,, because once again there's MONEY to be made and lots of it ... NO JOBS ON A DEAD PLANET
Interesting. To the right, we see a big collection of videos with opposing views on fracking. So all those other people -- witnesses and experts and scientists -- must be delusional, and this video is the only truth.
Some of you people have no idea what you are talking about. Thank God for Reason TV, not to mention if they were to shut it down alot of you would be unemployed. Wake Up... Learn more about something before you comment on it because you people are just showing your stupidity.
@derrisandcynthia0702 No JOBS ON A DEAD PLANET ... Money hungry greed fueled humans are raping the crap out of this earth ... Thats blatant stupidity ...
Benzine and formaldihide is carsinegenic poison! These guys are trying to put lipstick on a Big OL PIG > But people are dumb and will take it up the wazoo for money. This is propogandized BS , we have only begun to find out what the real health and environmental damage is .. The Oil companies will never tell the truth about this.
So if i get this straight, they are passing on the blame to the people who built the water supply casings that were working perfectly until the fracking started?
You should post a video response talking about it. I'm a libertarian but environmental issues seem to be one of the more complicated set of issues. I'd like to learn more about them.
It is BS ... in North Royalton and Broadview Hts Ohio we've had oil spills, gas leaks and H2SO4 leaks. Bainbridge home blown off its foundations. And we've not yet talked about the contamination of ground waters.
and that is where the manipulation exists. They redirectour attention to some small fact, not ever proving that they're being safe. just distracting the masses. That's why they're so full of SH@#. by their own words Frackin is bad.
They are hanging themselve, they admit the contamination is happening. Then he says it's not the fracking, its the poor conditions that lead to contamination.. Wether or not they use the best precautions, the contamination happens. So the poor precautionary measures, are part of many of these fracking cases. So by correllation, it is the fracking. They say things like "inferior casing" hoping we'll expect them to improve conditions to completely prevent contamination in the future.
60 years? Wrong - they have not fracked at these pressure nor these volumes of water / chemicals as they are currently. So, because the previous oil/gas industries have a bad record its ok for new ones too? Clean bridging fuel? No, its worse than coal over its lifecycle. Do your own research and you will find this report can easily be recognised as spin pr bs!
This is video is absolutely a spin doctors creative work. The technology is safe, it is the errors that happen when companies cut corners and greed get involves.
"...In 2001, a special task force on energy policy convened by Vice President Dick Cheney recommended that Congress exempt hydraulic fracturing from the Safe Drinking Water Act. /../
The oil-gas industry is the only industry exempt from the SDWA"???
-( more about "BushCheney Loophole" - GOOGLE: "Gasland: Dick Cheney Poisons Your Drinking Water Too")
You people are all sheep, and stupid Americans. I am a "fracker" and have been for more than a decade. Although I am Canadian based, and regulations are more stringent than those of the US, the actual "fracking" process is more contained, and less harmful than these films lead you to believe. If you want to find a scapegoat in oil companies, than I'd suggest that you all park your cars, and turn the heat off in your homes. I invite you to come to a wellsite and see for yourself.
@hbt9325 Do you think insults make you appear more intelligent? If so, that says a lot about you. Perhaps you could explain to everyone here about the ridiculous amounts of methane that get released from the shale, more methane than is released by burning coal.
@GilaTomster Not to mention that Richard Bailey has a B.A. in Economics and Philosophy. He has absolutely no background in Environmental Science at all.
I'm a Journeyman Water Well Driller in Alberta and I've performed countless water well production/ water quality tests on wells in close proximity to seismic, drilling, fracturing activities. These tests are paid for by the oil/gas companies and are performed before and after such activities to track contamination and disturbances. I've heard of many cases where the water quality or production was affected so, I have a very hard time believing this puppet. PROTECT OUR WATER!
I'm a Journeyman Water Well Driller in Alberta and I've performed countless water well production/ water quality tests on wells in close proximity to seismic, drilling, fracturing activities. These tests are paid for by the oil/gas companies and are performed before and after such activities to track contamination and disturbances. I've heard of many cases where the water quality or production was affected so, I have a very hard time believing this puppet.
@darxide03 thanks for being honest. personally i don`t live in USA (thank god! lol) but feel deeply with all these people & children having their living environment polluted for generations to come! it`s not stopping there, the technology have been sold to europe & australia. even asia might be doing this is some close future, EU HAS NOT STARTED TO USE THIS BUT AUSSIE IS FRACKING COAL RESERVES & the environmental impact is like USA, devastating! if this spreads everything will die without water!
This freacking seems ok to me as long as they correct procautions are taken....im in UK and apparently they're starting to do this over here now, as long as its safe im on board
This spin is nauseating. snow job, crap. I love how the first time through it's always just "we pump water and sand" down there. Um, yeah. Did ya forget to mention the chemicals? Oh - and yes, there are some chemicals too - and they're ones you don't want to drink. And we don't care if contamination comes from fracking itself, or a surface spill or a well-casing cracking, or a containment pond flooding or leaking - we care that contamination happened, period.
@SavetheWaterTable There are plenty of chemicals used in your car you wouldn't want to drink. They often times leak. Do you still drive? What's that? It doesn't leak that much ? The additives on a frac are less than .5% of what is pumped. They are so diluted that they are nearly negligible. So I guess you could say it doesn't leak that much either. The procedures they used before fracking were way more environmentally harmful than what is done today.
LOL! Their "science" correspondent has no scientific training or education cited in his bio. He has a B.A. in economics and philosophy and then dropped out of law school.
Nice going with the whole credibility thing, libertari-fascists.
NO EXAMPLES OF THE WATER COMING BACK UP>??? ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID DOES THE WATER JUST TURN INTO CLEAN GAS?????? THE WATER WILL EVENTUALLY DRY/EVAPORATE AND COME BACK UP, IT WILL GET INTO THE WATER AS IT ALREADY HAS, PRETTY SURE I LEARNED ABOUT EVAPORATION IN LIKE 2ND GRADE IT ISNT THAT FUCKING HARD
There are examples! Here's one. “When fracturing the Kaiser gas well on Mr. James Parson’s property, fractures were created allowing migration of fracture fluid from the gas well to Mr. Parson’s water well,” according to the agency’s summary of the case. “This fracture fluid, along with natural gas was present in Mr. Parson’s water, rendering it unusable.” or how about Dimock Pennsylvania or Rosebud Alberta. Did I just prove these guys are lying liars?
all of those ppl posting negative comments on the frac subject should sell there cars and walk where u need to go,then maybe u will understand why we are out here bustin our asses to provide the world with oil and natural gas .
He goes on to say that burning natural gas will produce about half as much greenhouse gases as coal. This would be true if we did not have to do any work to mine natural gas. Unfortunately, the full life cycle of gas obtained through fracking is likely as bad, from a climate perspective, if not worse than coal. (See Robert Howarth's research at Cornell.) This is because of the release of methane during the mining process.
Last seen bashing teachers, reasontv is onto making infomercials for big oil and gas. Any foundation that receives the resounding endorsement of Milton Friedman is likely not interested in the health of the citizenry, given that the last great thing he endorsed was Pinochet.
@jarrbear05 Not a straw man. Rather, I am directly attacking the credibility of ReasonTv. You might have said my comment was ad hominem, though.
This video gives us the industry line. To start, it strains credulity to suggest that hydraulic fracturing of today has been used for 60 years. Technology is much more advanced today. Sixty years ago we were still mining gas that was "low hanging fruit." Today much more water is used, and certain chemicals weren't even available then.
@jarrbear05 Mr. Bailey also mentions that there has been no proven connection to water contamination. This is humorous because, until recently, the chemical ingredients of fracking fluid were withheld from the public on the grounds that they were proprietary. (Even still we do not know all of the ingredients.) Because of that it was impossible for investigators to link local poisoned water supplies to fracking operations.
@Uwoiame haha proprietary... more like secret!.... way to stop you from getting a gov. check from the fed res. bank who is london...and also in reality owners of the U.N.
@stealthswimmer hmm. I'd guess I'd say both. One might hear the argument that unions are the problem, not teachers, but the underlying strategy there is to take away the bargaining power of teachers, and I'd say that's an attack on teachers. To speak in more general terms, the social policy that institutions like ReasonTv advocate is undercutting the bargaining power of workers in general: "sure, you want jobs? we'll give them to you so long as they are insecure and pay less."
Ah ok, I see what you mean. I think teacher's unions are too powerful though. Teachers often don't get fired even when there's sexual misconduct - they just get paid leave.
And lowering the entry-level wage doesn't make all jobs pay less. It actually means that higher jobs might pay more because the lower jobs can be paid less. Raising minimum wage doesn't raise worker bargaining power or living standards in most cases, it just removes competition from lower skilled workers
At 1:25 he says Benzene is used in fracking. OSHA (osha.gov/SLTC/benzene/)says this about benzene "With exposures from less than five years to more than 30 years, individuals have developed, and died from, leukemia. Long-term exposure may affect bone marrow and blood production. Short-term exposure to high levels of benzene can cause drowsiness, dizziness, unconsciousness, and death."
Ron Baily says the technology has been around for 60 years. However, it is only in the last few (2-9) years that it has opened up SOOOO much more NG production, with corresponding price declines in the price of NG. So what's up with that difference???
Ron Baily says teh technology has been around for 60 years. However, it is only in the last few (2-9) years that it has opened up SOOOO much more NG production, with corresponding price declines in the price of NG. So what's up with that difference???
Le monde est en train de s'auto détruire. La télé du Diable ; les ordinateurs ; le pétrole ; les autos et camions, le nucléaire ; les nouveaux média et maintenant le gaz de shiste ! Mon Dieu, ramène-nous à l'âge de pierre, temps où nous mourrions à moins de 30 ans dans le tourment. À mort les temps modernes où nous pouvons vivre heureux jusqu'a 100 ans.
The Cornell and Duke studies destroy Bailey's argument. Fracking was originally used in horizontal operations, going into the side of mountains. Deep vertical fracking procedures, designed by Halyburton, have not been around for 60 years. If it was so safe, why did Cheney do a back room deal to ensure clean water air regulators have no jurisdiction over these operations? This was a softball interview, allowing someone in the pocket of the natural gas industry to tell us we're safe
A bevy of people apprarently didn't even watch the vid, it wasn't the procedure itself that contaminated the water, it was faulty casing. Halliburton & Baker Hughes have even developed fracking chemicals using fatty acids & other ingredients found in toothpaste, beer & ketchup. That won't stop the envirokooks though. I also get a kick out of the "in the pocket of big natural gas," as if no envirokook has ever been in the pocket of "big green." Just an ad homimen diversion.
This guy has absolutely no credentials to be considered an authority on this or anything science related for that matter. He's a former economist for the FERC. Where do you think his bias falls ...
@IntelNewsNetwork Exactly. Goes to show the world is full of mindless fools. Without any research they simply agree and thumb up. Imagine if everyone at the least looked at this guys credentials before accepting this as "truth". I would hope there is enough natural common sense left in people to see this guy has no business offering an official opinion let alone the definitive "truth" about this ( or anything science related for that matter).
Fuck this! ..."somebody" created a well incompetently.... More like entire Corporations who don't give a flying fuck about the surrounding inhabitants.
@Jotto999 Sure...and, hell... only a few Americans every day get killed in battle in Iraq and Afghanistan, while dozens of Iraqis and Afghanis get trashed, so by the same logic, the war over there is just peachy, right? Pfft. Statistics do not justify errors in judgment or sloppy science. Go back to school, little boy...
@TheMercilessEye But that wasn't my logic. The companies are made to pay for damage they cause to other people. These mistakes can be corrected, and they are.
But with the war, taxpayers are forced to pay for it, even if they disagree with it, and they will never be reimbursed. You are shortsighted enough to think these interactions are the same? Perhaps it is you who needs more education. Perhaps you shouldn't come across as a condescending shithead. :-P
@Jotto999 "Wait, they do this a hundred thousand times a year? Then it's not dangerous, otherwise the companies would be sued into oblivion." Convince me this has nothing to do with statistics - which is what it IS - a citation of statistics supporting the idea that it's statistically safe, NOT...who's going to pay for it. My reply treated with your use of statistics as some sort of validation that 'it must be okay' which is clearly...stupid.
@TheMercilessEye I first pointed out the statistic because it IS in my favor. Only a few million in lawsuits despite 100,000 frackings per year. That statistic says "safe".
And then I pointed out that the principle is also in my favor because the companies must bear the costs of the accidents anyway, and that your comparison to war is inappropriate. I see you've dropped that argument now and now just insist that I'm ignoring the principles and only looking at the numbers, but that is wrong.
@Jotto999 Let me make something very clear to you, kid.
Putting your faith in statistics sounds really cool...until it happens in your own fucking back YARD, until your own KIDS get sick, and until your own GROUNDWATER becomes UNDRINKABLE.
Then...well, statistics kinda fly out the window...because it's not just numbers anymore, y'see...
it's YOU.
So you can sit there with your little pocket calculator, and coo about how it's 'really not dangerous'...but, in fact, you still sound like a moron
@TheMercilessEye So your argument just comes down to trying to make me ignore the facts, specifically for reasons of emotional and personal bias.
That's not an argument, all you've done is make a huge appeal to emotion. The fact is that not very many people have this accident, and those that do get reimbursed.
What is really moronic is to insist on appeal to emotion fallacies and obvious personal bias, particularly when the facts clearly contradict you.
@Jotto999 Like I said, moron - when it's your family, and your own backyard, statistics don't mean shit.
The FACT is...they've extended this practice of fracking into more densely populated areas, the water tables in these areas are being destroyed, people are being poisoned, and for all your 'statistics' are rapidly being turned on their HEAD, by increasing numbers of people's wells being destroyed, their children and livestock being poisoned, and their land being rendered worthless.
@Jotto999 Y'know, your semi-intellectual sophistry kind of pales in the face of real evidence, kid. Show a little backbone and actually watch GASLAND...there's a copy at my channel. Stick around...you wanna see more lawsuits? Heheheh...you haven't seen anything, yet. A lot of these little gas companies are going to go under, thanks to their own stupidity, greed, and lack of perspective. It won't be too long in happening.
@Jotto999 It is NOT an 'emotional appeal' when you see your children and family become sick, suffering biological damage, and seeing the property you've come to rely upon for your home and security VANDALIZED by people who are chronic and habitual liars. The only reason I can see for your puerile defense of the indefensible is your comparative ignorance of the realities of the situation, as this process expands into more densely populated areas. Ignorance is not an excuse.
@Jotto999 My comparison to the war was intended to illustrate the illusion of security engendered by a facile reliance upon statistics, while ignoring the overall REAL cost in human suffering. Your pathetic little attempt to cast my argument in the false light of compensation vs. lack of compensation merely points up your own shallow understanding of the real cost of human and animal suffering this practice can cause. That was very disingenuous, on your part.
@TheMercilessEye How about objective facts, instead of telling me to go watch a movie that no doubt makes emotion-based arguments? What is in the movie that you can't just use as an argument here? Exactly.
Lastly, since when can't contempt be expressed in a condescending manner? Clearly it can be. How much more condescending can you get than "Go back to school, little boy..."?
If you want to despair, just read the mass of brainwashed stupidity in the comments below. The enviros hate science and technology, but they are good at propaganda and they have succeeded in brainwashing a lot of the masses. For what it's worth, everything the guy says about fracking in this video is true. But if you want to believe the anti-energy rubes, go right ahead. You and the enviro-idiots can walk to work and freeze in the dark. That'll make it cheaper for the rest of us.
lowlandpark 1 week ago
Gasland is saying the problem is loosening the Water & air act. He offers ideas no brainers for tightening up safety. This rant is from someone with a alternate agenda no doubt, it always is. never buy what people like this are selling, to many times money over lives is the theme of the day. Ron Baily frac you
guitargold77 2 weeks ago
Wasn't the cause of the Deepwater Horizon that BP used quick-set cement?
delacaravanio 2 weeks ago
Yeah, the technology is safe as long as we can keep flawed humans out of the picture, LOL. That's the fatal problem with all of our modern high-tech systems: they depend on flawed humans to build, run and maintain them. And human health is slowly being degraded by those very high-tech systems. It's not hard to imagine where that will lead.
fallspeed 2 weeks ago
This guy is bias... this dude sounds like he invented fracking for cryin' out loud!
BigNdog525 3 weeks ago
Orwellian!! Check that word out in the dictionary - sums this whole load of lies up.
auntytantan 3 weeks ago
Hey mister @ReasonTV science guy, if methane is escaping to groundwater through bad pipe casings, how is it possible that high pressure fracking fluid is not?
jpsalsman 3 weeks ago
"the technology is safe"...except in cases where the cement is poured incorrectly? which continues to happen? so how is this safe? it isn't.
tylertalkstrash 3 weeks ago 6
Soooooo when they do it right it is safe. Problem I have is historically, energy companies do it cheap - not right. They don't give a shit about people outside of their pocketbooks.
mjzapjr 3 weeks ago 3
the left's agenda is clear as day. cap-and-trade, carbon tax, anti-fracking and oil refineries. it's not about the environment, it never was. it's about limiting natural resources and energy.
why? just read your Marx and you'll find out. For socialism to work there has to be a presumption of scarcity. If the Earth is plentiful then leftism and Marxism don't have a leg to stand on.
eleutheromaniac 3 weeks ago
@eleutheromaniac This is the most moronic statement i have read in a while... enough internet for me today :/
benboisdbest 3 weeks ago
@benboisdbest ironic, since your juvenile hit-and-run comment succinctly represents everything that's wrong with the internet: baseless name-calling behind the protection of anonymity, while offering nothing of actual substance to the conversation.
have you read the works of Marx? Gramsci? that's rhetorical, i already know you haven't. you don't comprehend what i'm talking about, you don't even have a frame of reference. other than maybe wikipedia.
eleutheromaniac 3 weeks ago
@eleutheromaniac The idea that, "If the Earth is plentiful then leftism and Marxism don't have a leg to stand on", is logically flawed. If we lived in a world free from scarcity the commodities upon which we place value today would have no intrinsic worth. This worth is something which modern capitalism relies on as without it goods cannot be produced for profit.
benboisdbest 3 weeks ago
@benboisdbest gains and losses is a part of every economic ideology, including Marxism.
And something being plentiful does not mean it cannot also be profitable. Because if it's plentiful, that means it is easier and less expensive to aquire. Coal for example is a big and profitable business.
Marxism requires resources to be limited so that the State becomes necessary to parcel out and ration resources, playing the role of benefactor. If resources are plentiful the State is superfluous
eleutheromaniac 3 weeks ago
Lets see him drink the water from one of those homes!!
y0000o 3 weeks ago
FUCKING BULLSHIT .. YOUR FRACKING POISONS THE LAND AND PEOPLE AND IT IS NOT SAFE AT ALL
excriminal1 3 weeks ago
Not impressed
ytMarkcg 1 month ago
The title to this video is extremely misleading. Fracking is only safe if your paid to say that it is. Corp America's greed has no limits
Alosipher 1 month ago
Standard Procedure
fukalotfukalot 1 month ago
Hydraulic fracturing - or "fracking" - is a fa$t-growing source of natural ga$ used to create electricity, heat home$, and more. It involve$ forcing water, $and, and chemical$ into super-deep well$ and BLA BLA BLA................. GREED is limitless, the technology is there, BIG OIL makes sure we don't get it, I bet they also said the GOLF of MEXICO would be safe. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!!
fukalotfukalot 1 month ago
the only way we are going to stop this fracking insanity is to get together in a class action to sue the pants off these big corporations that ride roughshod over environmental issues and peoples health concerns
str8gate 1 month ago
Say no to fracking that will kill you go green solar hydro wind say no to fracking say no to nuclear both a waste nuclear may be clean compared to fossil fuels but it cost way too much
TheGoyanks 1 month ago
Lol @ the idiots below that 'bought' into the numerous fallacies in Gasland.
WestSkier11 1 month ago
If you watch this you still don't know what fracking is.
eddivision15 1 month ago
REASON T.V. IS A JOKE ...OH AND BOUGHT OFF!
DOCSAFETUBE 1 month ago
This clown has obviously been paid off like so many other sheep. It's dangerous, period. And don't fall for the gas companies bs about bringing prices down. Close to 90% of all gas and oil from the U.S. is exported where they'll get top dollar.
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GADCLuzerneCounty 1 month ago
Nick Gillespie should never refer to this guy for scientific advice ever... The whole point is that we could really be investing our time energy and money into a number of other energy sources.
TelevisionSunlight 1 month ago
They're fracking over here in Ohio. Already there have been earthquakes as a result of tracking, and as a further result of that, property values will decrease because of the fear of earthquakes. Being more expensive than crude oil, its gonna bring gas prices up. Its going to infect our water and the earth is going to be contaminated to the point where it cannot be useful anymore. And its all at taxpayers expenses.
MonacoLager1 1 month ago
@MonacoLager1 So what are you saying there was never any earthquakes in Ohio before they began to frack. The price will not go up it will go down because there will be a greater supply. It will not affect the water supply you should talk to a few driller's that drill for water and ask them if they ever hit a shallow pocket of gas. I guess you don't want jobs either because the natural gas supply will bring many jobs.
STORMLORD70 1 month ago
@STORMLORD70 I would like jobs in this state. I would rather them bring more jobs into Ohio with the casinos than fracking. Plus, it would mean our drinking water is cleaner. Would you rather have cleaner water or dirty water for your children to drink?
MonacoLager1 1 month ago
@MonacoLager1 How many jobs will a casino make for Youngstown more people will gamble because they have no jobs and Youngstown will be a bigger shithole than it is now. Stop and think without industry we could be destroyed as a nation. Are you willing to give it all up and even let other countries come one day attack us and destroy the land we live on?
STORMLORD70 1 month ago
@MonacoLager1 what source of water are you drinking from city or water well?
STORMLORD70 1 month ago
Fracking is safe says Ron Bailey, the Texas born libertarian with ties to corporations who stand to make money off of fracking.
ilovemy3ninas 1 month ago
who the frack is this ass hole? frackings not the problem- its ass holes like him who do the fracking that are the problem. LAME
fenix12deer 1 month ago
Dumb people...
RobertDiNero99 1 month ago
Get the money today----- TO HELL WITH THE FUTURE-----in todays paper earthquakes caused by injecting fracting waste back into the Earth are shaking the ground in pennsylvania...in time instead of smoke this is what they will be putting up your you know what..
spudone1000 1 month ago
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Centralia, Pennsylvania any one remember Centralia? In 2004, The Pennsylvania Dept. of Environmental Protection continues its warning discouraging visitors to Centralia. "Walking and/or driving in the immediate area could result in serious injury or death. There are dangerous gases present, and the ground is prone to sudden and unexpected collapse. I have personal issues with family involved on the get rich scheme of fracking..my question.. where are the veins of Centralia, burning?
NewDaysOldWays1 1 month ago
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If one of those veins burning hits a big pocket of this fracked up gas and if indeed this is not Marcellus Shale, but rather part of the Hugoton Panhandle Gas Reserve...well things could light up in a flash and a blast in the blink of an eye! Game over!
NewDaysOldWays1 1 month ago
The best thing this country could do would be to send all liberals to an island in the gulf and let there stupid opinions and ideas collapse the island into the sea....these "progressives" do nothing of value!!!!
kyle0127 1 month ago
@kyle0127 Funny, we say the same thing about you, how ironic is that? True is, this is every Americans country, so if YOU don't like it then YOU can leave.
mar504 1 month ago
i want to watch this fool drink water only from the area they are doing it. that should be a new law: natural gas mining companies may/must only drink water from the area they are fracking.
sereneyoshiko 1 month ago
@MarcellusDeMayo There are hundreds of documented cases of contamination from land that was never fracked too. That is natural. Do you idiots think the land is going to keep 100% of the gas inside the rock indefinately? The funny part is that you are the same kooks that believe CO2 is going to cause Armageadon based on carbon millionaire Al Gore and his multibillion dollar carbon scam. And you still have the audacity to someone else a shill? Are you really that stupid or are the the "shill"?
KingDingaLing090 2 months ago
It's as bad as watching Ben Bernanke......a nation of sell outs getting their 30 pieces of silver
2020cyclops 2 months ago
PAID FOR BY THE NATURAL GAS INDUSTRY.
Winterhawk2011 2 months ago
@Winterhawk2011 Why is everyone against the natural gas company making everything easier for people in the US?
ayeck2k9 2 months ago
@ayeck2k9 Maybe we are concerned about the condition of the world 50 years from now..What will our grandchildren have ??
spudone1000 1 month ago
@spudone1000 I am also but I mean in my opinion, it's a safe technology. I've been around even though I live in New york I'm a rock throw to PA and people were worried at first with it but it's grown on them and at first there were fights at bars but the crowds started to mix, a lot to do with more people from here working with Great companies like Chesapeake. I cant speak for all companies but I've been near some of they're sites and they do everything right to keep everyone safe.
ayeck2k9 1 month ago
PAID for by the NATURAL GAS INDUSTRY.
Winterhawk2011 2 months ago
Its not safe and should be banned...its not about the casings at all.....they can not stop it and no matter if they put kryptonite around the casings all them chemicals and many others they dont exactly tell you get into the water/dirt....its not just the water systems ...these people leave the eco mess
kenjackson1977 2 months ago
Why not show the trade chemicals thats in the water and sand they flush through! Trade Chemicals that are kept from you the public. Just Sayin and its 100% fact.
kenjackson1977 2 months ago
I wonder how much money the natural gas industry spent on this video...
mtsalih 2 months ago
This is actually the only informative non-liberal biased video that I've seen.
blindedbyforce 2 months ago
i thought fracking meant fucking at a gas station..whoops lol
gogitta25 2 months ago
Ron Bailey What oil co. is paying you you fucking idiot ????????????
dannyrayrich 2 months ago
I sure would like to frack that one blonde chick from Battlestar Galactica... She can fly my joystick any day.
JustLookin0811 2 months ago
Wow great smooth over by a "certified scientist" .... coff coff payroll coff pay roll ... Company's with money have the power ( money ) to pay an " expert " to smooth things over ... How obvious is this people ...we have better ways to find energy . wind solar geo thermal .. Although some half brained dipshit finds gas in rocks so they go and rape the crap out of the earth for it ,, because once again there's MONEY to be made and lots of it ... NO JOBS ON A DEAD PLANET
EEZAL 2 months ago
Interesting. To the right, we see a big collection of videos with opposing views on fracking. So all those other people -- witnesses and experts and scientists -- must be delusional, and this video is the only truth.
ktchong 2 months ago
Some of you people have no idea what you are talking about. Thank God for Reason TV, not to mention if they were to shut it down alot of you would be unemployed. Wake Up... Learn more about something before you comment on it because you people are just showing your stupidity.
derrisandcynthia0702 3 months ago
@derrisandcynthia0702 No JOBS ON A DEAD PLANET ... Money hungry greed fueled humans are raping the crap out of this earth ... Thats blatant stupidity ...
EEZAL 2 months ago
"It's safe as far as we can tell" .............? Yeah its not looking that safe as far as I can tell !
Bithopper77 3 months ago
Proving once again what tools American libertarians are.
telltree 3 months ago
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Benzine and formaldihide is carsinegenic poison! These guys are trying to put lipstick on a Big OL PIG > But people are dumb and will take it up the wazoo for money. This is propogandized BS , we have only begun to find out what the real health and environmental damage is .. The Oil companies will never tell the truth about this.
gofindyourmusic 3 months ago
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gofindyourmusic 3 months ago
why dont you fools pull this shit off youtube? Very few people believe your bs
rosieaasful 3 months ago
So if i get this straight, they are passing on the blame to the people who built the water supply casings that were working perfectly until the fracking started?
xXChinensisXx 3 months ago
Doesn't talk about what happens to the toxic fraking fluid waste water... that's telling.
Maybe ol' Nick there should talk to some other people than his unqualified think tank buddy for "expert" advice.
RedTory59 3 months ago
@RedTory59
You should post a video response talking about it. I'm a libertarian but environmental issues seem to be one of the more complicated set of issues. I'd like to learn more about them.
stealthswimmer 3 months ago
So much BS. fucking hat this man
razorchallhan 3 months ago
Fracking isnt bad its the drilling that screws up. I work on a frack crew it is safe if done correctly
ftn801 3 months ago 2
@ftn801
Then why are people still suffering because of it?
Isn't it your job to make sure it is done correctly?
xXChinensisXx 3 months ago
It is BS ... in North Royalton and Broadview Hts Ohio we've had oil spills, gas leaks and H2SO4 leaks. Bainbridge home blown off its foundations. And we've not yet talked about the contamination of ground waters.
danceofthedruids 3 months ago
and that is where the manipulation exists. They redirectour attention to some small fact, not ever proving that they're being safe. just distracting the masses. That's why they're so full of SH@#. by their own words Frackin is bad.
TheSleepingbandit 3 months ago
They are hanging themselve, they admit the contamination is happening. Then he says it's not the fracking, its the poor conditions that lead to contamination.. Wether or not they use the best precautions, the contamination happens. So the poor precautionary measures, are part of many of these fracking cases. So by correllation, it is the fracking. They say things like "inferior casing" hoping we'll expect them to improve conditions to completely prevent contamination in the future.
TheSleepingbandit 3 months ago
60 years? Wrong - they have not fracked at these pressure nor these volumes of water / chemicals as they are currently. So, because the previous oil/gas industries have a bad record its ok for new ones too? Clean bridging fuel? No, its worse than coal over its lifecycle. Do your own research and you will find this report can easily be recognised as spin pr bs!
ribestafg 3 months ago
This is video is absolutely a spin doctors creative work. The technology is safe, it is the errors that happen when companies cut corners and greed get involves.
ralphjcarlo 3 months ago
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"...In 2001, a special task force on energy policy convened by Vice President Dick Cheney recommended that Congress exempt hydraulic fracturing from the Safe Drinking Water Act. /../
The oil-gas industry is the only industry exempt from the SDWA"???
-( more about "BushCheney Loophole" - GOOGLE: "Gasland: Dick Cheney Poisons Your Drinking Water Too")
aleklaser1 3 months ago
NOW IT'S "WHO SHOT JOHN" THIS IS HORSE$HI+. HACK!! #STOPFRACKING USE THE HASH TAG IF YOUR A TWITTER. THIS BASTARD CAN DRINK AND BATH IN THE WATER..
1rustyb 3 months ago
You people are all sheep, and stupid Americans. I am a "fracker" and have been for more than a decade. Although I am Canadian based, and regulations are more stringent than those of the US, the actual "fracking" process is more contained, and less harmful than these films lead you to believe. If you want to find a scapegoat in oil companies, than I'd suggest that you all park your cars, and turn the heat off in your homes. I invite you to come to a wellsite and see for yourself.
hbt9325 3 months ago
@hbt9325 Do you think insults make you appear more intelligent? If so, that says a lot about you. Perhaps you could explain to everyone here about the ridiculous amounts of methane that get released from the shale, more methane than is released by burning coal.
mar504 3 months ago
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LIES! LIES! LIES!
ITS TIME FOR REVOLUTION!!
mime1926 3 months ago
BS
knickerock 4 months ago
No examples of it polluting water?...plenty of examples in Australia.
JINGWA64 4 months ago
@GilaTomster Not to mention that Richard Bailey has a B.A. in Economics and Philosophy. He has absolutely no background in Environmental Science at all.
LaGreatChrisMaxie 4 months ago
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This is a propaganda film, not news reporting. If you check their facts, you'll understand why.
refondata 4 months ago
This is a propaganda film, not news reporting. If you check their facts, you'll understand why.
refondata 4 months ago
HE'S A HACK FT ORG FRACK!!! You'd Think They'd Give Him Some Teeth. BIILLIONS, And NO MONEY FOR TEETH? WTF? Maybe He's Drinking The Water.
1rustyb 4 months ago
I'm a Journeyman Water Well Driller in Alberta and I've performed countless water well production/ water quality tests on wells in close proximity to seismic, drilling, fracturing activities. These tests are paid for by the oil/gas companies and are performed before and after such activities to track contamination and disturbances. I've heard of many cases where the water quality or production was affected so, I have a very hard time believing this puppet. PROTECT OUR WATER!
darxide03 4 months ago
I'm a Journeyman Water Well Driller in Alberta and I've performed countless water well production/ water quality tests on wells in close proximity to seismic, drilling, fracturing activities. These tests are paid for by the oil/gas companies and are performed before and after such activities to track contamination and disturbances. I've heard of many cases where the water quality or production was affected so, I have a very hard time believing this puppet.
darxide03 4 months ago
@darxide03 thanks for being honest. personally i don`t live in USA (thank god! lol) but feel deeply with all these people & children having their living environment polluted for generations to come! it`s not stopping there, the technology have been sold to europe & australia. even asia might be doing this is some close future, EU HAS NOT STARTED TO USE THIS BUT AUSSIE IS FRACKING COAL RESERVES & the environmental impact is like USA, devastating! if this spreads everything will die without water!
DHSNAKE 4 months ago
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@DHSNAKE Fuck off an die
bigboss686 3 months ago
We all need tanks and drinking and driving would be ok!
i8topees 4 months ago
This freacking seems ok to me as long as they correct procautions are taken....im in UK and apparently they're starting to do this over here now, as long as its safe im on board
jamesAboy19 4 months ago
@jamesAboy19
I heard it caused a tremor near Blackpool I wonder if they are going to do any around Essex and Suffolk?
EastAngliaUK 3 months ago
@EastAngliaUK I live in blackpool and didnt feel fuck all.....but im going to keep an eye on this fracking thing and see what happens.
jamesAboy19 3 months ago
"So far there are no examples of this that have been found." Ummmmm, yeah, there are examples actually. Plenty of them. This video is a HUGE lie.
TheBrindleBoxer 4 months ago
This spin is nauseating. snow job, crap. I love how the first time through it's always just "we pump water and sand" down there. Um, yeah. Did ya forget to mention the chemicals? Oh - and yes, there are some chemicals too - and they're ones you don't want to drink. And we don't care if contamination comes from fracking itself, or a surface spill or a well-casing cracking, or a containment pond flooding or leaking - we care that contamination happened, period.
SavetheWaterTable 4 months ago 22
@SavetheWaterTable There are plenty of chemicals used in your car you wouldn't want to drink. They often times leak. Do you still drive? What's that? It doesn't leak that much ? The additives on a frac are less than .5% of what is pumped. They are so diluted that they are nearly negligible. So I guess you could say it doesn't leak that much either. The procedures they used before fracking were way more environmentally harmful than what is done today.
cre8edc8 3 months ago
LOL! Their "science" correspondent has no scientific training or education cited in his bio. He has a B.A. in economics and philosophy and then dropped out of law school.
Nice going with the whole credibility thing, libertari-fascists.
fuzzyone99 4 months ago 2
For guys who supposedly hate the government, they sure rely on a lot of right-wing gov't studies to support their position.
fuzzyone99 4 months ago
NO EXAMPLES OF THE WATER COMING BACK UP>??? ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID DOES THE WATER JUST TURN INTO CLEAN GAS?????? THE WATER WILL EVENTUALLY DRY/EVAPORATE AND COME BACK UP, IT WILL GET INTO THE WATER AS IT ALREADY HAS, PRETTY SURE I LEARNED ABOUT EVAPORATION IN LIKE 2ND GRADE IT ISNT THAT FUCKING HARD
Youareabtch 4 months ago
only 100 years... haha that's not very long in the grand scheme of things
starestella 5 months ago
I don't know what scares me more... Fracking or that guy's hair.
senorchaos 5 months ago 3
There are examples! Here's one. “When fracturing the Kaiser gas well on Mr. James Parson’s property, fractures were created allowing migration of fracture fluid from the gas well to Mr. Parson’s water well,” according to the agency’s summary of the case. “This fracture fluid, along with natural gas was present in Mr. Parson’s water, rendering it unusable.” or how about Dimock Pennsylvania or Rosebud Alberta. Did I just prove these guys are lying liars?
natechomnicorp 5 months ago
all of those ppl posting negative comments on the frac subject should sell there cars and walk where u need to go,then maybe u will understand why we are out here bustin our asses to provide the world with oil and natural gas .
rooferman19 5 months ago
@rooferman19 Maybe you should drive less lol
Joonyk1 4 months ago
OH yea fracking is so good for us. If this video is true then why is there no regulation? What a fucking snow job.
kornigator 5 months ago
Can I get a pay off please...if I keep saying it's not the technology maybe they will believe me.
GibsonUSA85 6 months ago
Fracking is good says shill. Now I feel so much better (NOT)!
MrGuentherRN 6 months ago
Ok let them drink a cup of Benzine well water if it is safe.
MsZeitgeist85 6 months ago
lol yeah its totally safe, trust us... just because were saying so trust us.
Boomsmackme 6 months ago
LIES!!!!!
attovishnu 6 months ago
lies lies &more lies!!!
put water in, bull put chemicals in...
sheeple stop thumbing up your soon to be you're own illness an death, dah methane in you're water with chemicals ='s illness&death
addvanced 6 months ago
He goes on to say that burning natural gas will produce about half as much greenhouse gases as coal. This would be true if we did not have to do any work to mine natural gas. Unfortunately, the full life cycle of gas obtained through fracking is likely as bad, from a climate perspective, if not worse than coal. (See Robert Howarth's research at Cornell.) This is because of the release of methane during the mining process.
Uwoiame 6 months ago
Last seen bashing teachers, reasontv is onto making infomercials for big oil and gas. Any foundation that receives the resounding endorsement of Milton Friedman is likely not interested in the health of the citizenry, given that the last great thing he endorsed was Pinochet.
Uwoiame 6 months ago 13
@Uwoiame Cool strawmen.
jarrbear05 6 months ago
@jarrbear05 Not a straw man. Rather, I am directly attacking the credibility of ReasonTv. You might have said my comment was ad hominem, though.
This video gives us the industry line. To start, it strains credulity to suggest that hydraulic fracturing of today has been used for 60 years. Technology is much more advanced today. Sixty years ago we were still mining gas that was "low hanging fruit." Today much more water is used, and certain chemicals weren't even available then.
Uwoiame 6 months ago
@jarrbear05 Mr. Bailey also mentions that there has been no proven connection to water contamination. This is humorous because, until recently, the chemical ingredients of fracking fluid were withheld from the public on the grounds that they were proprietary. (Even still we do not know all of the ingredients.) Because of that it was impossible for investigators to link local poisoned water supplies to fracking operations.
Uwoiame 6 months ago 2
@Uwoiame haha proprietary... more like secret!.... way to stop you from getting a gov. check from the fed res. bank who is london...and also in reality owners of the U.N.
addvanced 6 months ago
@Uwoiame LOL You are a fucking moron.
itachi705 6 months ago
@Uwoiame hit that nail right on the head ...
does any sheeple even the pinochet bush crime story?
or of the 100,000,000 of trillions of water well aquifers they own...
addvanced 6 months ago
@Uwoiame
bashing teachers or teacher's unions?
stealthswimmer 3 months ago
@stealthswimmer hmm. I'd guess I'd say both. One might hear the argument that unions are the problem, not teachers, but the underlying strategy there is to take away the bargaining power of teachers, and I'd say that's an attack on teachers. To speak in more general terms, the social policy that institutions like ReasonTv advocate is undercutting the bargaining power of workers in general: "sure, you want jobs? we'll give them to you so long as they are insecure and pay less."
Uwoiame 3 months ago
@Uwoiame
Ah ok, I see what you mean. I think teacher's unions are too powerful though. Teachers often don't get fired even when there's sexual misconduct - they just get paid leave.
And lowering the entry-level wage doesn't make all jobs pay less. It actually means that higher jobs might pay more because the lower jobs can be paid less. Raising minimum wage doesn't raise worker bargaining power or living standards in most cases, it just removes competition from lower skilled workers
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OnenessNow 6 months ago
sound like this guy is the fracking pr guy!! 4 million for poisioning a county thats chicken feed. That makes me sick..
1australianbeacon 7 months ago 2
At 1:25 he says Benzene is used in fracking. OSHA (osha.gov/SLTC/benzene/)says this about benzene "With exposures from less than five years to more than 30 years, individuals have developed, and died from, leukemia. Long-term exposure may affect bone marrow and blood production. Short-term exposure to high levels of benzene can cause drowsiness, dizziness, unconsciousness, and death."
nofrackwv 7 months ago 3
@nofrackwv Which is why there is casing to prevent benzene from being released into the water supply...
classiclibertarian 6 months ago
vb p79yp98y3vp987ywpq45y98qy8wuis the only comment this deserves
psysprouts 7 months ago
i thought frack was from battlestar galatica. so thay didnt get censored for sayin fuck.
nikechiapas 7 months ago
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Ron Baily says the technology has been around for 60 years. However, it is only in the last few (2-9) years that it has opened up SOOOO much more NG production, with corresponding price declines in the price of NG. So what's up with that difference???
freedomworks2 7 months ago
Ron Baily says teh technology has been around for 60 years. However, it is only in the last few (2-9) years that it has opened up SOOOO much more NG production, with corresponding price declines in the price of NG. So what's up with that difference???
freedomworks2 7 months ago
Le monde est en train de s'auto détruire. La télé du Diable ; les ordinateurs ; le pétrole ; les autos et camions, le nucléaire ; les nouveaux média et maintenant le gaz de shiste ! Mon Dieu, ramène-nous à l'âge de pierre, temps où nous mourrions à moins de 30 ans dans le tourment. À mort les temps modernes où nous pouvons vivre heureux jusqu'a 100 ans.
jeanpierrechabot 7 months ago
but what about all the chemicals they use? why didnt he ask him if its ok to stick crap loads of chemicals in the ground..?
quillber 7 months ago
@quillber
Where do you think these chemical came from in the first place? The ground!
fermier666 7 months ago 2
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The Cornell and Duke studies destroy Bailey's argument. Fracking was originally used in horizontal operations, going into the side of mountains. Deep vertical fracking procedures, designed by Halyburton, have not been around for 60 years. If it was so safe, why did Cheney do a back room deal to ensure clean water air regulators have no jurisdiction over these operations? This was a softball interview, allowing someone in the pocket of the natural gas industry to tell us we're safe
greg0879 7 months ago
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TekGremlin 7 months ago
A bevy of people apprarently didn't even watch the vid, it wasn't the procedure itself that contaminated the water, it was faulty casing. Halliburton & Baker Hughes have even developed fracking chemicals using fatty acids & other ingredients found in toothpaste, beer & ketchup. That won't stop the envirokooks though. I also get a kick out of the "in the pocket of big natural gas," as if no envirokook has ever been in the pocket of "big green." Just an ad homimen diversion.
UTubekookdetector 7 months ago 2
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@UTubekookdetector You're a fucking moron.
nilbud 7 months ago
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greg0879 8 months ago
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TekGremlin 7 months ago
Fracking Cylons
Redeye1524 8 months ago
This guy has absolutely no credentials to be considered an authority on this or anything science related for that matter. He's a former economist for the FERC. Where do you think his bias falls ...
HolisticPlantHealth 8 months ago
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TekGremlin 7 months ago
60 yrs isn't long enough to produce reliable environmental facts on "fracking". And of course, from "fracking" comes more drilling for oil.
madmitch105 8 months ago
yeah this a Koch Brothers misinformation campaign!!! It doesnt get any more obvious then this. Reason TV=KOCH BROTHERS FAIL!
IntelNewsNetwork 8 months ago
@IntelNewsNetwork Exactly. Goes to show the world is full of mindless fools. Without any research they simply agree and thumb up. Imagine if everyone at the least looked at this guys credentials before accepting this as "truth". I would hope there is enough natural common sense left in people to see this guy has no business offering an official opinion let alone the definitive "truth" about this ( or anything science related for that matter).
HolisticPlantHealth 8 months ago
Fuck this! ..."somebody" created a well incompetently.... More like entire Corporations who don't give a flying fuck about the surrounding inhabitants.
sourdrum 8 months ago
@sourdrum Oh no. It's the evil "Corporations" again...
DaddyRTO 7 months ago
Wait, they do this a hundred thousand times a year? Then it's not dangerous, otherwise the companies would be sued into oblivion.
Jotto999 8 months ago
@Jotto999 Sure...and, hell... only a few Americans every day get killed in battle in Iraq and Afghanistan, while dozens of Iraqis and Afghanis get trashed, so by the same logic, the war over there is just peachy, right? Pfft. Statistics do not justify errors in judgment or sloppy science. Go back to school, little boy...
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago 2
@TheMercilessEye But that wasn't my logic. The companies are made to pay for damage they cause to other people. These mistakes can be corrected, and they are.
But with the war, taxpayers are forced to pay for it, even if they disagree with it, and they will never be reimbursed. You are shortsighted enough to think these interactions are the same? Perhaps it is you who needs more education. Perhaps you shouldn't come across as a condescending shithead. :-P
Jotto999 8 months ago
@Jotto999 "Wait, they do this a hundred thousand times a year? Then it's not dangerous, otherwise the companies would be sued into oblivion." Convince me this has nothing to do with statistics - which is what it IS - a citation of statistics supporting the idea that it's statistically safe, NOT...who's going to pay for it. My reply treated with your use of statistics as some sort of validation that 'it must be okay' which is clearly...stupid.
You're confusing condescension with contempt...
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago 2
@TheMercilessEye I first pointed out the statistic because it IS in my favor. Only a few million in lawsuits despite 100,000 frackings per year. That statistic says "safe".
And then I pointed out that the principle is also in my favor because the companies must bear the costs of the accidents anyway, and that your comparison to war is inappropriate. I see you've dropped that argument now and now just insist that I'm ignoring the principles and only looking at the numbers, but that is wrong.
Jotto999 8 months ago
@Jotto999 Have you even seen GASLAND, yet?
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago
@Jotto999 Let me make something very clear to you, kid.
Putting your faith in statistics sounds really cool...until it happens in your own fucking back YARD, until your own KIDS get sick, and until your own GROUNDWATER becomes UNDRINKABLE.
Then...well, statistics kinda fly out the window...because it's not just numbers anymore, y'see...
it's YOU.
So you can sit there with your little pocket calculator, and coo about how it's 'really not dangerous'...but, in fact, you still sound like a moron
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago 2
@TheMercilessEye So your argument just comes down to trying to make me ignore the facts, specifically for reasons of emotional and personal bias.
That's not an argument, all you've done is make a huge appeal to emotion. The fact is that not very many people have this accident, and those that do get reimbursed.
What is really moronic is to insist on appeal to emotion fallacies and obvious personal bias, particularly when the facts clearly contradict you.
Jotto999 8 months ago
@Jotto999 Like I said, moron - when it's your family, and your own backyard, statistics don't mean shit.
The FACT is...they've extended this practice of fracking into more densely populated areas, the water tables in these areas are being destroyed, people are being poisoned, and for all your 'statistics' are rapidly being turned on their HEAD, by increasing numbers of people's wells being destroyed, their children and livestock being poisoned, and their land being rendered worthless.
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago 2
@Jotto999 Y'know, your semi-intellectual sophistry kind of pales in the face of real evidence, kid. Show a little backbone and actually watch GASLAND...there's a copy at my channel. Stick around...you wanna see more lawsuits? Heheheh...you haven't seen anything, yet. A lot of these little gas companies are going to go under, thanks to their own stupidity, greed, and lack of perspective. It won't be too long in happening.
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago 2
@Jotto999 It is NOT an 'emotional appeal' when you see your children and family become sick, suffering biological damage, and seeing the property you've come to rely upon for your home and security VANDALIZED by people who are chronic and habitual liars. The only reason I can see for your puerile defense of the indefensible is your comparative ignorance of the realities of the situation, as this process expands into more densely populated areas. Ignorance is not an excuse.
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago
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TheMercilessEye 8 months ago
@Jotto999 My comparison to the war was intended to illustrate the illusion of security engendered by a facile reliance upon statistics, while ignoring the overall REAL cost in human suffering. Your pathetic little attempt to cast my argument in the false light of compensation vs. lack of compensation merely points up your own shallow understanding of the real cost of human and animal suffering this practice can cause. That was very disingenuous, on your part.
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago
@Jotto999 These companies aren't being sued into oblivion...YET.
Go see GASLAND and tell me you still think 'it must not be dangerous."
pffft....stupid git.
TheMercilessEye 8 months ago
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@TheMercilessEye How about objective facts, instead of telling me to go watch a movie that no doubt makes emotion-based arguments? What is in the movie that you can't just use as an argument here? Exactly.
Lastly, since when can't contempt be expressed in a condescending manner? Clearly it can be. How much more condescending can you get than "Go back to school, little boy..."?
Jotto999 8 months ago
That was a pretty even-handed discussion. Thank Nick.
MrRofeliak 8 months ago