analogies are a great way to explain things that are hart to explain(but explainable nonetheless), but when that is the ONLY way to explain it, it is a logical fallacy
Is anyone getting a Weird Paedophile Sexual Vibe from what the constantly BS-ing idiot is saying? "You will be filled by God's {Big} Spirit{ual length}" said said-retard. Is anyone getting that vibe? CLICK THUMPS UP ON THIS COMMENT IF YOU ARE!
Well looks like I have to pay my Heaven Taxes... Let me just check my money" god, or as his imaginative friends normally called him, dickie. "Oh wait, I'll just scam some retards to force innocent children to pay me" cackled god the dick. Then it realised. "Oh shit! I don't have any money! Because I don't Exist! I am mere retarded fantasy! Oh Noes!" however although god didn't exist, he would be forever believed in the delusional & indoctrinated religious minds forever. CUE DRAMATIC MUSIC!!!!
ShwaNerd, this must have been very frustrating for you. This Constantly-Vomiting-Bullsh*t-Ignorant-Repetitive-Whiny-Greedy-Retard talking is damaging my ability not to strangle something... or someone... Dun ... Dun...! DUN! LOL.
think of how liberating it would be to stand up in the middle of this session and blankly say, "I'm outta here," then turn around and walk out, drive away and never look back. Now that's something that would change your life!
it makes me inspired to even think of someone doing it!
This shit is truly dangerous..but unfortunately, it will always exist in some form because humanity NEEDS to believe that there is something greater than them and they won't simply turn into dust like the rest of the animals. Its humans own arrogance that developed along with their brains that made us think we were better and more important than the animals.
I dont want to be 'filled with God'- I will soon be married thank you very much. And his analogy exemplifies the stupidity of theist arguments for children. It is based upon the assumption there IS any water to put in the gun. STRAWMAN ALERT!
So just like it's impractical to sell water guns pre-filled with water, it's also impractical for an omnipotent god to create humans pre-filled with its spirit? And humans are also designed to expell spirit long distances? I'm just going with the analogy here.
The delusional 'herd' at it's best, indoctrinating the little ones into the 'herd' of fleeced sheep who they need to be brainwashed to keep the money flowing. So clear to me, but then I left the herd 44 yrs ago at the age of 10. Man, am I ever happy since then. This stuff is deeply disturbing to my kids. I'm happy about that.
Dam, I was in Chicago YESTERDAY, you should have told me that before!
Ok, seriously, I pointed out that you were wrong to tell people to get out of your country because they were not even in your country. That's it. That was my point.
You got anything else to say about that? No, of course no...
Now. We could talk about other things, I like discussing... but after all the irrational and hateful things you wrote already, it's just not worth it... try sending an email if you wish.
It's sad to see how you seem to be a "black or white" person. I meant that you seem to be classifying people in two categories, good or bad. And because of that, everybody who is "bad" is destroying YOUR values.
Learn to use your reason and logic to evaluate another person's opinion on ONE subject at a time, please...
No one has the exact same set of beliefs as you, and no one has the exact opposite set of beliefs as you.
And no rational person wants to destroy your country...
Nice! Thanks for letting people know that they won't get cursed as long as they don't live in the USA or Israel! What a relief!
Concerning an American civil war... what the hell... are you saying that at some point people like you will decide to just beat the shit out of other people who don't believe in YOUR God? In other words, you think that YOU are better than your own God to judge other people here on Earth? That's blasphemy! Go repent yourself you filthy sinner!
Hey, I ran into a few of the pointless comments you made on this video series and there is one thing that comes back a few times. You insist on telling people they should leave the country... it shows a great deal of intolerance of course, but that's not what I want to address now.
What I just wanted to point out is a little detail that you failed to notice: ShwaNerd, and some people you replied to, are NOT EVEN FROM THE USA !
I remember these types of sermons at the camps I want to when I was young. We were certainly not fundy, but it still scared me. I hated when people would talk about God or we'd hang out with other religious families because God scared the fuck out of me. It kept me from thinking about it for years. I figured I'd eventually understand when I was older. When the fear went away, it took me a few honest reading sessions of the Bible to start me on the road to atheism.
Where do these people learn to use the exact same methods, tones, rhythm, and buzzwords? Haven't we *all* heard this exact same canned bullshit at every camp or conference or church service? Damn, why don't people get sick of it?
Wow, keep up that constant stream of religious patter so the brain can't get a rational thought in edgewise. Play the audience's emotions like a surfer by creating waves of intensity. Preaching - the fine art of mind control.
ugh. I couldn't listen to the whole thing. I'd rather be waterboarded. This child abuse should be against the Geneva Convention.
when i was young and still going to church i didn't get all that stuff because i was mormon they want you to give 5% of what you make to them or something like that. i got out of that religion way before i had my first job. i was lucky my mom didn't make make go to church after i turn 15. she finely left after i was 18 and to this day she believes there is still a god, i did for a while. it was in my search for a church or something to teach my daughter that i now know there is no god.
Wow that's stupid. I hated biblecamp and pioneer girls and was forced to go because my very Catholic father thought I was on the "wrong path". I was the one who sat a the back and snickered all the while knowing they fully believed in delusions. Its ridicules. I'm Canadian too, when people say Canada isnt as bad as the states in regards to religiosity it actually is, the Mennonites and other christian people force their religion on you, the bible tells them to. Good on you for exposing it.
When I was younger, the bible camp I went to was worst.
The methods they used to indoctrinate us were criminal. They essentially bribed us with arcade games and food to believe in god.
Honestly, SwaNerd, just tell your parents you're an atheist and tell them to go fuck themselves. That is what I eventually had to do. My radical catholic fundie parents were pissed at first, but eventually stopped caring.
This seems to be what happens when idiots are allowed to let bad analogies run wild. One assertion after the next when no actual reason or logic behind it.
Religious fundies are everywhere. They exist even in Canada (where I am from), though in a minority. Canada is essentially a secular country with freedom of religion and freedom from religion. The only possibility of religious imposition rests with your family which (unfortunately for ShwaNerd) has been his fate.
We don't exactly have any "separation of church and state" in our constitution. It does say "freedom of religion", but it's been a pain in the ass to get people to agree that also means freedom "from" religion as well. Our constitution recognizes the "supremacy of god' in the opening paragraph! I wish things were clearer in that thing.
Where does the US constitution recognize "The Supremacy of God" or are you talking about another constitution? And yeah, I wish our (the US) constitution did read easier, as it was written at a time when our language was different than today.
Oh, makes sense. Keep up the good work, that Jesus Camp footage is well done, funny how hard they work at getting those kids to buy his stories. He yells, her uses guilt, he yells some more and it's all Ok because (in his mind) its the message of God for God, so he can yell all he wants.
I would love it if we could find an atheist who would do the same, then watch as people call him crazy. Very unfair, but I do see the tides changing.
It is true that the Canadian Constitution lacks a clause to keep gov't out of religion. In practice there is little mention of god or any other religious notions in Canadian politics for which I am grateful.
There are exceptions though such as gov't funding of Catholic schools (as written in the BNA act). Also John Tory's recent election campaign to fund "faith based schools", a fiasco that killed his political career and which speaks well of Ontario voter's common sense.
Imagine a place like this in your neiborhood, only bigger and with hundreds more people who attend it and its open 24/ 7. A place like that does exist, here where I live!
These people have heard how 'good' inspirational speeches are supposed to sound so they get this pace going with the music and just say whatever sounds uplifting. And they always wind up repeating themselves a lot.
And everybody gets all tingly like the bad girls would get to the Beatles or the Jonas Bros. and that's their proof that god is not only real but all up in the house.
Get a life ya dweebs!
..Man and that second guy is like a Pentecostal and more repetitive Jim Gaffigan.
I don't know how much they get individually; I know that the church itself rakes in quite a lot of cash. In that first camp video, you can see that they made at least $50,000 in less than 7 days of camp (this was senior's camp, however).
Many do. When I was a christian, I heard them preach many times that the tithe (10%) was the minimum amount that God required, and that giving more (cheerfully) was when God would really start to bless you.
I would advise that you do your best not to engage kabane. He is a troll of the highest order with no capacity for logic. Talking to him is like talking to a dead cat.
I don't think I'm trolling. I began this dialogue by actually agreeing with Shwa that this particular service is nonsense and ridiculous, and then Jokers made a misconception about Orthodoxy. So I did my best to explain the Orthodox position in a respectful manner.
I love how he's telling the audience directly what is happening to them. It reminds me a lot of hypnotist shows. "Your mind has been so clouded" "Your eyelids are getting heavy" "Clarity of thought it coming right now" "You are a chicken and the farmer is coming to get you"
I think this guy could find a different line of work in the entertainment industry.
It's interesting looking a how different our countries (I'm from Finland) are in terms of religion even though we technically have the same one.
Despite being an atheist I do some volunteer work at my local church's confession camps and what have you, and the priest ended the last one like this:
"I don't know if there is a god, but if there is one, I think perhaps he might have had something to do with how well this camp went." And I don't think he even mentioned god OR jesus during the camp..
So we were designed to be worthless depraved vile sinners so we could be filled with god?
tear people down and make them feel worthless, then put them in a hypnotic trace with music, rythym and tell them that you l-o-v-e them and that they are special.
Religion is filled with that. What these people don't see is the irony of it all. They talk about how horrible and disgusting homosexuality is, but don't see the gay inside them all. While they may not actually be able to touch Jesus, they're mentally having a super orgy fucking his righteous ass so hard, it would make gay men think they're wrong!
Like your beliefs are any better, Kabane. You believe the same thing they do without all the screaming.
Ugh Christianity:
The belief that a space alien decided to create a Universe. Which he filled with humans who pissed him off. Instead of reasoning with them, he went into an EMO rage and crucified himself. While proclaiming that anyone who didn't agree or believe in what he did would be punished in an eternity of torment. The rest will live happily in fucking paradise. So believable......
Believe the same thing as Protestant Pentecostals?! By no means! See, you describe Christianity next. What you are actually describing is the penal substitution theory of atonement, which is held by almost all Protestants, and I can see why you would think it is silly. I am Eastern Orthodox. The Orthodox Church holds to the Christus Victor theory of atonement, which is worlds different. Our view of hell is different as well.
In short, Christ has died for us, and because death cannot hold God, Christ has destroyed death and united the divine nature to the human nature. He makes possible the forgiveness of sins of all people by returning humanity to the hand of God and defeating evil through the cross (Col 2). God desires for us to be healed. Sin is a disease. We are healed by partaking of the divine nature (2 Pet 1.4) through the holy mysteries (sacraments) administered by the church.
This divine energy which we partake of is called in the New Testament as grace. The healing process is known as theosis. Hell and heaven are states, not places. All humans will be raised to life and in the presence of God. The difference is how they feel in that presence. The sick will feel shame and regret, while the healthy will feel feel joy (Dan 12.2). God is a consuming fire. (Hebrews 12.29) The difference is how we experience that fire.
Indeed, the church fathers described hell this way. The scourge in heaven is the scourge of love. The realization that you have sinned against perfect love and are unhealed. The fire and brimstone rhetoric that fundamentalist Protestants use is a recent innovation, and a perversion of what the historic Christian faith has believed and taught.
Another crazy hypothetical for you, and again I'm interested in your reply and will not dispute, debate, mock or make use of your answer.
Describe, if you can, the person I perceive you to be when I read your comments here. If you don't wish to attempt to pander to my curiosity I will understand.
It doesn't matter. You're still a crazy nut. Your beliefs are no different than something I can read in comics. Except I don't take those into reality and believe in them. It's all supernatural bullshit that is stupid. If you want to believe it, fine. Just don't act like they're relevant to society or hold any truth...
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Well I believe they are true because I sincerely believe that there is good evidence for them. I was simply explaining the misperceptions in your view of my beliefs.
I am a bit confused at why you would call me a nut, because that would include people like Ken Miller and Francis Collins in the "nut" category as well.
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Hi Jokers. I'm not sure if you understand precisely. We are all going to be immortal, in that our bodies will live forever. The question is how we experience that immortality. No human, in their fallen condition, can enjoy the presence of God, because the sick cannot handle the consuming fire that is God. So God desires to heal us, and the way we are healed is by going through a process known as theosis. Theosis happens over your lifetime (and after death) through taking of the holy mysteries.
Our conscious shuts off when we die. Unless you believe in "spirits", which I assume you do, there can't be an "after life". When people die, that's it. It's not possible. That's why I choose not to believe in any Religion because it's not logical. Don't start going on about how I don't "know" god. I spent most of my life following that crap with no results. It's a horrible and illogical disease. I was making a joke with what you said. Unless we believe what you do, we're all going to burn....
Why do you say "blessings" like it actually means anything? Your "god" isn't even going to acknowledge me unless I believe he exists. From you, I know they're just empty threats. Shown to pose the thought that you're a humble and caring individual. I've seen enough of your videos to know that you're a nut. Nothing but hate and ignorance fueled by your "loving" creator. You think the eternal punishment of a species your "god" created is justified to show how much he loves us. You're crazy........
I just explained how our theology differs from Protestantism, with the nature of hell and all that. God loves everyone and wants all to come to repentance.
I just explained how hell is just a state one experiences when one is in the presence of God while being sick. It is eternal regret for having sinned against perfect love.
If you wish to posit ulterior motives, you are free to.
Ah, "original sin". Original sin is also a Western distinctive. :p Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't have the idea of imputed guilt. Rather, we inherit mortality from Adam, which has been reversed anyway by Jesus Christ's ransom on the cross.
But all have sinned themselves. The regret and shame you experience will be proportionate to the sin you have committed. For example, Hitler's shame will be unbearable. Gandhi's (if God didn't graft him into the church in the afterlife) shame will be much less.
Likewise, "Christians" who do not turn away from their sin and repent when they do sin, have not gone through theosis and thus are not going to enjoy the presence of God either. This is because we as Orthodox do not hold to the Protestant doctrine of justification by faith alone.
If God can do anything, why not just cure us of our illness that would torment us forever? Why couldn't he have delivered this process of theosis without fathering himself and sacrificing himself to himself, but not really because he took his life back? How did humanity come by this "sickness?" How can you be sure that an atheist will despair in the presence of God? How can I regret not accepting a love that was never offered to me?
Must be nice to be a little rich white kid that doesn't have to worry about acquiring clean water, and all you have to worry about is giving money to Jesus because he loves you so much!
Thanks buddy....I feel a little better now....and I reminded myself that we have a beaver on our 5cent coin...any country with a beaver on their currency can't be all bad.
Why do they always have to shout? Some of the most fascinating and life changing speeches I've heard in my life have come from soft spoken people who use the meaning of their words instead of the volume of their voice.
ShwaNerd beware, I think those preachers are trying to Groom you all and I don't just mean religiousley. The number of inuendos and such was... worrying. I'd watch my back avoid the ones with butter for risk of getting bummed.
You were designed to be filled by God. You must let him inhabit every last orifice of your body and hunger and thirst for his righteousness....no spitting.
what an idiot...comparing human beings to water guns, is he going to compare H-bombs to firecrackers next?
what really makes this guy slimey is that he's using humour to keep the kids attention and they don't even realize they are being programmed to act and talk the same way :-(
How an an omnipresent transcendent god 'come into a place'. Wouldn't a being like that already be every place?
It would have been cool if you'd had a filled super soaker so you could have super soaked him. And why does the store clerk and the unbeliever in his story have to sound like Mortimer Snerd? I know you are all too young to know who I'm talking about.
But thanks for the camping videos. keep them coming.
This shit is bad for you kiddies, worse than crack... imagine all the money christians must spend in their lifetime!
devilzangel111451 1 month ago
Who wants to bet that 'fake' cashier voice he puts on is his true one?
joshg123 5 months ago
analogies are a great way to explain things that are hart to explain(but explainable nonetheless), but when that is the ONLY way to explain it, it is a logical fallacy
Netruic 9 months ago
I'm designed to be filled with god? No...my body has evolved to be filled with blood maintained at a temperature of 98.6 F
Newenlightenmentnow 9 months ago
lmao THAT is their upbeat and inspiring song? rofl!!!!!
ThePaganSamurai 11 months ago
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christianity = buying / bribing your way into heaven
LeviathanZr6 11 months ago
Is anyone getting a Weird Paedophile Sexual Vibe from what the constantly BS-ing idiot is saying? "You will be filled by God's {Big} Spirit{ual length}" said said-retard. Is anyone getting that vibe? CLICK THUMPS UP ON THIS COMMENT IF YOU ARE!
NightCrimson 1 year ago
Well looks like I have to pay my Heaven Taxes... Let me just check my money" god, or as his imaginative friends normally called him, dickie. "Oh wait, I'll just scam some retards to force innocent children to pay me" cackled god the dick. Then it realised. "Oh shit! I don't have any money! Because I don't Exist! I am mere retarded fantasy! Oh Noes!" however although god didn't exist, he would be forever believed in the delusional & indoctrinated religious minds forever. CUE DRAMATIC MUSIC!!!!
NightCrimson 1 year ago
ShwaNerd, this must have been very frustrating for you. This Constantly-Vomiting-Bullsh*t-Ignorant-Repetitive-Whiny-Greedy-Retard talking is damaging my ability not to strangle something... or someone... Dun ... Dun...! DUN! LOL.
NightCrimson 1 year ago
With all the talk about combustion I would have been headed for the door ASAP. No need to burn alive...
ghilliemaster 1 year ago
think of how liberating it would be to stand up in the middle of this session and blankly say, "I'm outta here," then turn around and walk out, drive away and never look back. Now that's something that would change your life!
it makes me inspired to even think of someone doing it!
MarathonTrainer 1 year ago
This shit is truly dangerous..but unfortunately, it will always exist in some form because humanity NEEDS to believe that there is something greater than them and they won't simply turn into dust like the rest of the animals. Its humans own arrogance that developed along with their brains that made us think we were better and more important than the animals.
Bralidiroe 1 year ago
I dont want to be 'filled with God'- I will soon be married thank you very much. And his analogy exemplifies the stupidity of theist arguments for children. It is based upon the assumption there IS any water to put in the gun. STRAWMAN ALERT!
mrgodbehere 1 year ago
poor sheeple
shaolinchaos 2 years ago
It's funny, his water gun story said, ''false advertising'' Wow, that's ironic.
Quincelee 2 years ago 4
how f*ing long can he take this analogy!!!!! That should be a sin!
xtcx2e 2 years ago
This guy is a Dane Cook wannabe: not funny, not creative, and filled with stupid.
godlesschick 2 years ago 4
@godlesschick i love you.
thousandlegger 1 year ago
So just like it's impractical to sell water guns pre-filled with water, it's also impractical for an omnipotent god to create humans pre-filled with its spirit? And humans are also designed to expell spirit long distances? I'm just going with the analogy here.
Vinifera7 2 years ago 4
The delusional 'herd' at it's best, indoctrinating the little ones into the 'herd' of fleeced sheep who they need to be brainwashed to keep the money flowing. So clear to me, but then I left the herd 44 yrs ago at the age of 10. Man, am I ever happy since then. This stuff is deeply disturbing to my kids. I'm happy about that.
saxmanchiro 2 years ago 4
I'm so glad I chose to never go to church camp when i was little.
waffles497 2 years ago 2
This guy seems to think he's Dane Cook, and ends up somehow even _more_ retarded.
RichoRosai 2 years ago 14
Why would God start us out empty? Why don't we start filled?
RaisedforM12 2 years ago 2
@RaisedforM12 because the first 2 people fucked it up for the trillions to follow them.
thousandlegger 1 year ago
I was never a theist, but all this "The Bible Says XXXXX!!!" seems kinda....adlibbed .
Seems fun. Let me try:
"THE BIBLE SAYS ITS OKAY TO STEAL FROM HOMELESS PEOPLE BECAUSE GOD PUT THEM ON THE STREET FOR YOU TO MUG!"
4jonah 2 years ago 6
I agree, it can literally be made to say anything you want!
The wierd part is, it's so plain to see. Why don't religous people see it?
bustashite 2 years ago
You went through a week of that? My sincerest condolences as that looks like the biggest bunch of happy-horse-shit I can think of.
toddlusk 2 years ago 12
ok, that was kind of out of no where.
I don't think anyone is saying that his love was bad or anything.
Krensharpaw 2 years ago
I said I ight do that since you were making death threats. To bad I don't know that guy.
THis country is fine, you speack of doing what hitler tried to do.
Krensharpaw 2 years ago
I haven't blocked you.
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
Hail hitler.
Are you going to try to pull something like v for vendetta now? Kill all the, "filth"?
Krensharpaw 2 years ago
@rockkkkher
Dam, I was in Chicago YESTERDAY, you should have told me that before!
Ok, seriously, I pointed out that you were wrong to tell people to get out of your country because they were not even in your country. That's it. That was my point.
You got anything else to say about that? No, of course no...
Now. We could talk about other things, I like discussing... but after all the irrational and hateful things you wrote already, it's just not worth it... try sending an email if you wish.
hugopelland 2 years ago 2
@rockkkkher
It's sad to see how you seem to be a "black or white" person. I meant that you seem to be classifying people in two categories, good or bad. And because of that, everybody who is "bad" is destroying YOUR values.
Learn to use your reason and logic to evaluate another person's opinion on ONE subject at a time, please...
No one has the exact same set of beliefs as you, and no one has the exact opposite set of beliefs as you.
And no rational person wants to destroy your country...
hugopelland 2 years ago 2
@rockkkkher
Nice! Thanks for letting people know that they won't get cursed as long as they don't live in the USA or Israel! What a relief!
Concerning an American civil war... what the hell... are you saying that at some point people like you will decide to just beat the shit out of other people who don't believe in YOUR God? In other words, you think that YOU are better than your own God to judge other people here on Earth? That's blasphemy! Go repent yourself you filthy sinner!
hugopelland 2 years ago 3
@rockkkkher
Hey, I ran into a few of the pointless comments you made on this video series and there is one thing that comes back a few times. You insist on telling people they should leave the country... it shows a great deal of intolerance of course, but that's not what I want to address now.
What I just wanted to point out is a little detail that you failed to notice: ShwaNerd, and some people you replied to, are NOT EVEN FROM THE USA !
hugopelland 2 years ago 2
I remember these types of sermons at the camps I want to when I was young. We were certainly not fundy, but it still scared me. I hated when people would talk about God or we'd hang out with other religious families because God scared the fuck out of me. It kept me from thinking about it for years. I figured I'd eventually understand when I was older. When the fear went away, it took me a few honest reading sessions of the Bible to start me on the road to atheism.
skitchdrews 2 years ago
LOL your body was made to be filled!! i love this shit, how do they not catch it, how did i not catch it when i believed this shit?
stjimmy933499399493 2 years ago
Yeah, I though the holy ghost was everywhere?
jdt2003 2 years ago
I like these videos. I feel like I'm spying on the enemy. >=D Bwahaha
AmyLynn7783 2 years ago 4
Awesome!!! whahaaahaaha
tempemonkey2323 2 years ago
I attend regularly, sit back, and watch the science experiment unfold
jdt2003 2 years ago
How on earth do you keep a straight face through this drivel?
AmyLynn7783 2 years ago
Where do these people learn to use the exact same methods, tones, rhythm, and buzzwords? Haven't we *all* heard this exact same canned bullshit at every camp or conference or church service? Damn, why don't people get sick of it?
wearspjsinpublic 2 years ago 3
I am very happy to be an empty super soaker!
liveyoungdiefast91 2 years ago
I'm sorry you have had to experience this cult for years, dude.
ls1z28chris 2 years ago
ha, so our purpose is to be possessed by a god.
anonforuz 2 years ago
Wow, keep up that constant stream of religious patter so the brain can't get a rational thought in edgewise. Play the audience's emotions like a surfer by creating waves of intensity. Preaching - the fine art of mind control.
ugh. I couldn't listen to the whole thing. I'd rather be waterboarded. This child abuse should be against the Geneva Convention.
xphobe 2 years ago 2
when i was young and still going to church i didn't get all that stuff because i was mormon they want you to give 5% of what you make to them or something like that. i got out of that religion way before i had my first job. i was lucky my mom didn't make make go to church after i turn 15. she finely left after i was 18 and to this day she believes there is still a god, i did for a while. it was in my search for a church or something to teach my daughter that i now know there is no god.
vancharm 2 years ago
Wow that's stupid. I hated biblecamp and pioneer girls and was forced to go because my very Catholic father thought I was on the "wrong path". I was the one who sat a the back and snickered all the while knowing they fully believed in delusions. Its ridicules. I'm Canadian too, when people say Canada isnt as bad as the states in regards to religiosity it actually is, the Mennonites and other christian people force their religion on you, the bible tells them to. Good on you for exposing it.
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This guy is the worst comedian ever.
Bonefoot 2 years ago
Its so funny how he says " right now your mind is so clouded and chaotic"but wait a minute, I thought jesus drug cured all who believe :O ...
Apparently jesus drug wears off.
coolbeens21 2 years ago
When I was younger, the bible camp I went to was worst.
The methods they used to indoctrinate us were criminal. They essentially bribed us with arcade games and food to believe in god.
Honestly, SwaNerd, just tell your parents you're an atheist and tell them to go fuck themselves. That is what I eventually had to do. My radical catholic fundie parents were pissed at first, but eventually stopped caring.
ZamatoElite 2 years ago
lol were they as pissed ad the cahtolic mother?
JacobDeadman 2 years ago
lol yes! My dad still throws temper tantrums from time to time over it.
ZamatoElite 2 years ago
they pound the brains of small children....
JacobDeadman 2 years ago
wow my former church was just like that
JacobDeadman 2 years ago
This seems to be what happens when idiots are allowed to let bad analogies run wild. One assertion after the next when no actual reason or logic behind it.
DrakeDarkHunter 2 years ago
why do they always have to yell mmmmm
xspacie 2 years ago
Er... Analogy fail much?
uvauva2 2 years ago
You where disiged to be a sinner, according to the Bible.
bullwhipjesus 2 years ago
ShwaNerd, thanks for the post but
You Canadians are supposed to be the sane secular ones, if you guys go religious crazy what's gonna happen here in the US!?
dlandon2000 2 years ago
Religious fundies are everywhere. They exist even in Canada (where I am from), though in a minority. Canada is essentially a secular country with freedom of religion and freedom from religion. The only possibility of religious imposition rests with your family which (unfortunately for ShwaNerd) has been his fate.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 years ago
We don't exactly have any "separation of church and state" in our constitution. It does say "freedom of religion", but it's been a pain in the ass to get people to agree that also means freedom "from" religion as well. Our constitution recognizes the "supremacy of god' in the opening paragraph! I wish things were clearer in that thing.
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
Where does the US constitution recognize "The Supremacy of God" or are you talking about another constitution? And yeah, I wish our (the US) constitution did read easier, as it was written at a time when our language was different than today.
wireless4me 2 years ago
That's the Canadian constitution I was talking about.
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
And OUR constitution wasn't even written until 1982... so...
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
Oh, makes sense. Keep up the good work, that Jesus Camp footage is well done, funny how hard they work at getting those kids to buy his stories. He yells, her uses guilt, he yells some more and it's all Ok because (in his mind) its the message of God for God, so he can yell all he wants.
I would love it if we could find an atheist who would do the same, then watch as people call him crazy. Very unfair, but I do see the tides changing.
wireless4me 2 years ago
It is true that the Canadian Constitution lacks a clause to keep gov't out of religion. In practice there is little mention of god or any other religious notions in Canadian politics for which I am grateful.
There are exceptions though such as gov't funding of Catholic schools (as written in the BNA act). Also John Tory's recent election campaign to fund "faith based schools", a fiasco that killed his political career and which speaks well of Ontario voter's common sense.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 years ago
I bet you enjoyed every single minute of crazy camp, especially these awesome tirades about the love of sky daddy and super soakers.
I hope you stand up to your mother eventually....
PunkCheerleaderBetch 2 years ago
Jesus wants to fist your ass
NegativeNick 2 years ago 3
Lol.
CostaRicaGirl17 2 years ago
This is stupid. Religion is crazy.
tacodavoli 2 years ago 2
this pleading that he is doing is weak and quite possible the most retarded thing i have ever heard. Also he is just plain wrong.
Degozaru1987 2 years ago 2
oh wow....that's scary.
The fact that this is in Canada is even scarier
simsi1616 2 years ago 3
Hey I was at that camp.
Ryan44567 2 years ago
I'm sorry to hear that. :(
LtShock 2 years ago
Imagine a place like this in your neiborhood, only bigger and with hundreds more people who attend it and its open 24/ 7. A place like that does exist, here where I live!
SETHTHEUNWANTED1 2 years ago
That preacher needs a dry slap.
Scanini 2 years ago
These people have heard how 'good' inspirational speeches are supposed to sound so they get this pace going with the music and just say whatever sounds uplifting. And they always wind up repeating themselves a lot.
And everybody gets all tingly like the bad girls would get to the Beatles or the Jonas Bros. and that's their proof that god is not only real but all up in the house.
Get a life ya dweebs!
..Man and that second guy is like a Pentecostal and more repetitive Jim Gaffigan.
living420 2 years ago
was that guy pretending to be Dane Cook?
goose1212343 2 years ago
i aint gonna let jesus cum into my heart, thats gross
goose1212343 2 years ago 5
This is funny. And gross. I've been to things like this, but not this extreme.
juliecranford 2 years ago
Kudos on not throwing stuff (or up). You obviously have a higher tolerance for stupidity than I do.
TETSUno1 2 years ago
Oh GOD! Inhabit me, inhabit me, oh not so fast, you're hurting me.
sandform 2 years ago 7
I would have been like, "fuck you," and walked out about 4 minutes into this shit. Your a better man than i shwanerd.
joegocal 2 years ago 2
I work perfectly without this water!
niiidar 2 years ago
Oh gee, what a horrible joke.
niiidar 2 years ago
I don't know how much they get individually; I know that the church itself rakes in quite a lot of cash. In that first camp video, you can see that they made at least $50,000 in less than 7 days of camp (this was senior's camp, however).
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
I know they demand like a tenth of your income, but do the worshippers actually give that much?
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
Many do. When I was a christian, I heard them preach many times that the tithe (10%) was the minimum amount that God required, and that giving more (cheerfully) was when God would really start to bless you.
samsroomie 2 years ago
Do people actually belive this shit ?!?!
JAM3SY9 2 years ago
That guy is a few fries short of an happy meal .
LordToast 2 years ago
I agree!
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago
What a nightmare.
FallenAngel0fDoom 2 years ago
I would advise that you do your best not to engage kabane. He is a troll of the highest order with no capacity for logic. Talking to him is like talking to a dead cat.
Archaneus 2 years ago 4
I don't think I'm trolling. I began this dialogue by actually agreeing with Shwa that this particular service is nonsense and ridiculous, and then Jokers made a misconception about Orthodoxy. So I did my best to explain the Orthodox position in a respectful manner.
Blessings.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
A dead cat won't keep spouting nonsense like "I believe because I sincerely believe".
samsroomie 2 years ago
this guy is so stupid and full of shit. Its such a shame that people entertain this bombastic dogmatic third rate irational bullshit.
ooglebydoogleby 2 years ago 2
Water gun? Does that mean I have to fill my self up with Jesus? Sounds kinky.
anthonzi 2 years ago 3
I love how he's telling the audience directly what is happening to them. It reminds me a lot of hypnotist shows. "Your mind has been so clouded" "Your eyelids are getting heavy" "Clarity of thought it coming right now" "You are a chicken and the farmer is coming to get you"
I think this guy could find a different line of work in the entertainment industry.
adamredwine 2 years ago 4
It's interesting looking a how different our countries (I'm from Finland) are in terms of religion even though we technically have the same one.
Despite being an atheist I do some volunteer work at my local church's confession camps and what have you, and the priest ended the last one like this:
"I don't know if there is a god, but if there is one, I think perhaps he might have had something to do with how well this camp went." And I don't think he even mentioned god OR jesus during the camp..
Kazumaster 2 years ago
So we were designed to be worthless depraved vile sinners so we could be filled with god?
tear people down and make them feel worthless, then put them in a hypnotic trace with music, rythym and tell them that you l-o-v-e them and that they are special.
mind control 101
justintempler 2 years ago 8
So if speaking in tongues is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit, wouldn't anyone filled with the Holy Spirit be able to understand you?
If so, why does he speak in English at all?
I ponder these things.
Cheebzsta 2 years ago 3
Anyone else get a lot of gay innuendo?
A transfer of worship(Semen) a transfer of love(More Semen...)
Put your love towards us and our love towards you.
I believe miracles are going to conbust in this place.
I believe love is going going to conbust in this place.(Bust all over the place)
We will go after you with everything we got.
Receive our worship now. Oh yeah /fapfapfapfap
You were designed to receive the holy spirit. It may make some uncomfortable.(Sore ass anyone?)
narudis 2 years ago 2
Religion is filled with that. What these people don't see is the irony of it all. They talk about how horrible and disgusting homosexuality is, but don't see the gay inside them all. While they may not actually be able to touch Jesus, they're mentally having a super orgy fucking his righteous ass so hard, it would make gay men think they're wrong!
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago 3
"you're designed to be filled"... roflcopter
thisguysajerk 2 years ago
UGH Pentecostalism.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Like your beliefs are any better, Kabane. You believe the same thing they do without all the screaming.
Ugh Christianity:
The belief that a space alien decided to create a Universe. Which he filled with humans who pissed him off. Instead of reasoning with them, he went into an EMO rage and crucified himself. While proclaiming that anyone who didn't agree or believe in what he did would be punished in an eternity of torment. The rest will live happily in fucking paradise. So believable......
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago 7
Believe the same thing as Protestant Pentecostals?! By no means! See, you describe Christianity next. What you are actually describing is the penal substitution theory of atonement, which is held by almost all Protestants, and I can see why you would think it is silly. I am Eastern Orthodox. The Orthodox Church holds to the Christus Victor theory of atonement, which is worlds different. Our view of hell is different as well.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
In short, Christ has died for us, and because death cannot hold God, Christ has destroyed death and united the divine nature to the human nature. He makes possible the forgiveness of sins of all people by returning humanity to the hand of God and defeating evil through the cross (Col 2). God desires for us to be healed. Sin is a disease. We are healed by partaking of the divine nature (2 Pet 1.4) through the holy mysteries (sacraments) administered by the church.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
This divine energy which we partake of is called in the New Testament as grace. The healing process is known as theosis. Hell and heaven are states, not places. All humans will be raised to life and in the presence of God. The difference is how they feel in that presence. The sick will feel shame and regret, while the healthy will feel feel joy (Dan 12.2). God is a consuming fire. (Hebrews 12.29) The difference is how we experience that fire.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Indeed, the church fathers described hell this way. The scourge in heaven is the scourge of love. The realization that you have sinned against perfect love and are unhealed. The fire and brimstone rhetoric that fundamentalist Protestants use is a recent innovation, and a perversion of what the historic Christian faith has believed and taught.
Blessings to you! Hope this helps.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Another crazy hypothetical for you, and again I'm interested in your reply and will not dispute, debate, mock or make use of your answer.
Describe, if you can, the person I perceive you to be when I read your comments here. If you don't wish to attempt to pander to my curiosity I will understand.
philhellenes 2 years ago
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Someone trying their best to correct the misconceptions in this fellows view of my beliefs in a nice manner as to not start a flamewar.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Thanks again.
philhellenes 2 years ago
It doesn't matter. You're still a crazy nut. Your beliefs are no different than something I can read in comics. Except I don't take those into reality and believe in them. It's all supernatural bullshit that is stupid. If you want to believe it, fine. Just don't act like they're relevant to society or hold any truth...
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago 3
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Well I believe they are true because I sincerely believe that there is good evidence for them. I was simply explaining the misperceptions in your view of my beliefs.
I am a bit confused at why you would call me a nut, because that would include people like Ken Miller and Francis Collins in the "nut" category as well.
Nevertheless, blessings to you!
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
There's no misperception, your beliefs are for lunatics and subhumans incapable of independent thought.
Don't appeal to authority, it doesn't make your beliefs any less looney.
emofacez 2 years ago 4
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So you are only an independent thinker if we agree with you! That's convenient.
Blessings!
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
"In short, C hrist has died for us"
Which means you are a raving lunatic if you believe that someone can simply die and make up for all of humanities wrong doings.
anthonzi 2 years ago 6
So we'll only get to enjoy immortality in the after life if we agree with you? That's horrible!
Fuck your blessings!
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago
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Hi Jokers. I'm not sure if you understand precisely. We are all going to be immortal, in that our bodies will live forever. The question is how we experience that immortality. No human, in their fallen condition, can enjoy the presence of God, because the sick cannot handle the consuming fire that is God. So God desires to heal us, and the way we are healed is by going through a process known as theosis. Theosis happens over your lifetime (and after death) through taking of the holy mysteries.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Holy mysteries such as baptism, eucharist, repentance and confession, etc.
Blessings.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Our conscious shuts off when we die. Unless you believe in "spirits", which I assume you do, there can't be an "after life". When people die, that's it. It's not possible. That's why I choose not to believe in any Religion because it's not logical. Don't start going on about how I don't "know" god. I spent most of my life following that crap with no results. It's a horrible and illogical disease. I was making a joke with what you said. Unless we believe what you do, we're all going to burn....
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago
Of course I disagree with you, but I just wanted to help you understand how Orthodox theology differs from Protestant theology.
Blessings.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Why do you say "blessings" like it actually means anything? Your "god" isn't even going to acknowledge me unless I believe he exists. From you, I know they're just empty threats. Shown to pose the thought that you're a humble and caring individual. I've seen enough of your videos to know that you're a nut. Nothing but hate and ignorance fueled by your "loving" creator. You think the eternal punishment of a species your "god" created is justified to show how much he loves us. You're crazy........
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago
I just explained how our theology differs from Protestantism, with the nature of hell and all that. God loves everyone and wants all to come to repentance.
I just explained how hell is just a state one experiences when one is in the presence of God while being sick. It is eternal regret for having sinned against perfect love.
If you wish to posit ulterior motives, you are free to.
Blessings.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
So "eternal regret" for what? Being a spawn of Adam and Eve?
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago 2
Ah, "original sin". Original sin is also a Western distinctive. :p Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't have the idea of imputed guilt. Rather, we inherit mortality from Adam, which has been reversed anyway by Jesus Christ's ransom on the cross.
But all have sinned themselves. The regret and shame you experience will be proportionate to the sin you have committed. For example, Hitler's shame will be unbearable. Gandhi's (if God didn't graft him into the church in the afterlife) shame will be much less.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
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KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Likewise, "Christians" who do not turn away from their sin and repent when they do sin, have not gone through theosis and thus are not going to enjoy the presence of God either. This is because we as Orthodox do not hold to the Protestant doctrine of justification by faith alone.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
Almost forgot. Blessings.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
So it's just a more insane version of Christianity! I see. It's all stupid and pointless.......
JOKERSFREAK 2 years ago
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How is it more insane?
Blessings.
KabaneTheChristian 2 years ago
If God can do anything, why not just cure us of our illness that would torment us forever? Why couldn't he have delivered this process of theosis without fathering himself and sacrificing himself to himself, but not really because he took his life back? How did humanity come by this "sickness?" How can you be sure that an atheist will despair in the presence of God? How can I regret not accepting a love that was never offered to me?
LordToast 2 years ago
gimp
JAM3SY9 2 years ago
facepalm......
dhcrazy333 2 years ago
Facepalm....
No. No facepalm...
This is a headwall,
ivnuzi 2 years ago
Sounds like a rated G version of Dane Cook, the only type of comedian worse than Dane cook.
metaitachi 2 years ago
Is he trying to be a comedian? prick.
pen12345 2 years ago 5
DESPAIR
I wonder how many other youngsters present are there only because their parents 'force' them to attend .... surely you cannot be alone.
CheesesPeaks2U 2 years ago 2
"You have unlimited access to water."
Must be nice to be a little rich white kid that doesn't have to worry about acquiring clean water, and all you have to worry about is giving money to Jesus because he loves you so much!
AbyssalLyrist 2 years ago 5
Just fuckin' terrifying....what a fucked up place! I am at a total loss knowing this is here in Canada! It's a fuckin' embarassment.
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
Well at least you don't pray to cardboard cut-outs of George Bush... sigh... America....
vista202 2 years ago
Thanks buddy....I feel a little better now....and I reminded myself that we have a beaver on our 5cent coin...any country with a beaver on their currency can't be all bad.
MasterOhSo 2 years ago
What a try-hard. Even when I was a Christian, I would've boo'd as loud as I could
LtotheoganX 2 years ago 3
Why do they always have to shout? Some of the most fascinating and life changing speeches I've heard in my life have come from soft spoken people who use the meaning of their words instead of the volume of their voice.
baudiirocz 2 years ago
This is somewhere between hilarious and scary...
Good work Shwa!
ShidoMedia 2 years ago 2
exactly
Danmill23 2 years ago
ShwaNerd beware, I think those preachers are trying to Groom you all and I don't just mean religiousley. The number of inuendos and such was... worrying. I'd watch my back avoid the ones with butter for risk of getting bummed.
bloodyrediron 2 years ago 2
"Holy Spirit not included" This guy is a joke!! LOL!!What am I out of batteries or something?LULZ.
Jimb0can 2 years ago
You were designed to be filled by God. You must let him inhabit every last orifice of your body and hunger and thirst for his righteousness....no spitting.
Arachibutyrophobe87 2 years ago 4
Fag.
GruntyAssassin2 2 years ago
I'm an empty super soaker because my girlfriend was drunk last night.
alastairguhn 2 years ago
He's like one of those yappy little dogs that just won't shut up.
randomdd123 2 years ago
That guy definitely needs to get filled...if you know what I mean. ;)
BionicDance 2 years ago 2
" Holy spirit not included sticker on your forehead? " what the...
If i had been there i would have grabbed that supersoaker & rammed it down his throat-let him be filled!! Lol
musicgeniusno1 2 years ago
You need to be filled, in more ways than one.
1stCainite 2 years ago
Oh no we won't tell your mom that your an idiot. SHE ALREADY KNOWS!!!
AndrewKulcsar 2 years ago
something is definitely going to combust in that place... perhaps his head...
and the guy with the water gun.... wtf!!!!!!!!!!!
I was designed to be filled? Oh joy...
tattooskin72 2 years ago
seriously, why do you go to these events? How about showing up for your local humanist society meeting?
migkillertwo 2 years ago
I go, because I have no choice. I don't enjoy it at all, but I decided to make the most of the horrible experience.
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
no choice? there ought to be a place of asylum for pentecostal runaways haha
wubbadubdub 2 years ago
3:36 Him calling anyone an idiot is just plain laughable.
LogicIsDying 2 years ago
1:34 Your body is a temple, and I want to worship inside you.
Giggidy
fiveheadlol 2 years ago 2
What a faggotry.
IC1101 2 years ago
I'm already filled with water. I'm like 70% water.
PluralOfEverything 2 years ago 3
I'm a waterpistol?
MrFacet 2 years ago
what an idiot...comparing human beings to water guns, is he going to compare H-bombs to firecrackers next?
what really makes this guy slimey is that he's using humour to keep the kids attention and they don't even realize they are being programmed to act and talk the same way :-(
I'm glad you saw through the BS ShwaNerd
AbdultheImpailler 2 years ago
shwa you should tell some these girls that jesus told you to tell them that they should have sex with you
NewtonsStudent 2 years ago
Wow! This guy should be on SNL he is so funny! Someone should shove a super soaker up his ass.
BTW: tell some homeless guy he has unlimited access to water; or some guy in Africa or some guy .. well, you get the idea.
prodigyat9 2 years ago
Don't forget to pull the trigger.
JorickHorn 2 years ago
shwanerd
i somehow look up to you.
there was no way i could have kept quite during this garbich
redFISTofEUROPE 2 years ago
the spirit of god seems like a substitute for crack.
Plasmon19 2 years ago 2
How an an omnipresent transcendent god 'come into a place'. Wouldn't a being like that already be every place?
It would have been cool if you'd had a filled super soaker so you could have super soaked him. And why does the store clerk and the unbeliever in his story have to sound like Mortimer Snerd? I know you are all too young to know who I'm talking about.
But thanks for the camping videos. keep them coming.
DancingRabbit52 2 years ago