What Would You Have Done? WSOP 2008 Final

[Dimage25]

hmm nobody noticed, that Demidov was not holding the nuts on the turn. The 6 8 of hearts is the stone nuts on the turn, but anyhow i still can't believe that Schwartz got away from the K high flush, incredible

[Laugh1ngMan1]

@Dimage25 8Th would be the nuts.

[number154]

@Laugh1ngMan1 86h is also the nuts, because there's only one eight of hearts in a deck.

[Dimaggio88]

ahh Norman Chad. what a personality. perfect job as a commentator

[stygir]

tards is demidov had a set on the flop he wouldn't check it and second, he wouldn't raise the turn with that board ...

[leem2828]

Nut flush or nothing. a Boat should have been the last thing on the mind on Schwartz.

[leem2828]

No way i put anyone on a boat the way this was played. with 4 hearts on the board and the raise on the turn by Demidov makes only 2 possible hands to have. the Stone cold nuts or absolutely nothing. So even if the board doesnt pair on the river my though process would be the same. Would this guy really do a min raise giving me almost 3 to 1 to call at the ME final table if he was bluffing? i know it is easy to say watching on TV seeing the hands. But the thought process here would have been...

[Iblis00]

Demidov will never check-behind a set on the flop, period. Wonderful lay-down.

[futuroleghista]

I think Demidov played this hand really bad and got the miniumum out of it. But final table must be incredible tension.

[DukeBalaor]

@futuroleghista You think that Demidov played that hand bad? It is so funny. If river would not bring five, andpossible fullhouse, then could Demidov get river call, but I dont care, just reading your easy coment, about Demidov play, that hand were played great, You can not forget, that Demidov is only humen and only could pretent, that opponent has Q or K high flush, other way was full house and then check raise river and Demidov could fold. Great defensive play.

[futuroleghista]

@DukeBalaor Hi, I dont agree. No way Demidov or Scwartz have a set on flop and Check with 3 hearts on the board. Then on turn no way anyone could have made a set of J's and play that way. I think miniraise on Turn by Demidov is totally wrong. That make the alarm rings in Scwartz mind. It polarizes Demidov's hand on very weak or nut. Scwartz Check the river NOT cause he is scared of a fullhouse but of a nut flush. When Demidov bets 4M, Scwartz get the information he needs. Still a great laydown.

[TheeNameIsBrandon]

To be honest i would have tried to represent a fullhouse and shove it at the end.

[futuroleghista]

@TheeNameIsBrandon  And Demidov would call 100%

[carson032000]

i would have folded that hand before the flop.

[cordonsport095]

I'd think he is obviously afraid of Ahxx as its virtually impossible for any thinking human to check back a hand like a set or two pair on an all same suit board IMO

[hillsonger]

that's so fucking crazy. it's plays like these that make me realize if i can sometimes be the sucker at the table.

[Vinwoir]

funny thing is that there are also 2 straight flush possibilties

[thatguywithnothing]

he had to put him on the ace. checkd the flop. rasied the turn, he wouldnt do that with a queen of hearts after checking the flop. and the river kinda looked like a value bet.espically after a raise on the turn. great hand! i love poker!

[thatguywithnothing]

he had to put him on the ace. checkd the flop. rasied the turn, he wouldnt do that with a queen of hearts after checking the flop. and the river kinda looked like a value bet. great hand!

[Iblis00]

@haroonKS I agree, incredible fold.

[curuzu]

too much respect, thats all......

[Fantasy23Legend]

Excellent raise on the turn. The river five hurt Demidov. If his read was a full house, a bet on the flop would have been ideal for demidov.

[ImperviousMason]

not a smart fold but not a dumb fold, nothing wrong with playing it safe.

[12from12]

Great fold. I would have called (not raised with the 2nd 5 on the board) instantly.

[Disney312]

I would've probably lost all of my money on the turn.

[SHELFSIDEYID1882]

sick fold, makes me laugh the amount of morons telling the world theyd fold that, Demidov werent scared to double or triple barrel throughout the game, to basicallyy put him on one card and then have the confidence to fold to standard river VB is sick play.

[maiabh]

thats nothing, i once folded a royal flush to a better hand.

[redsox9666]

@maiabh idiot

[ImperviousMason]

@maiabh funniest comment i've read on youtube.

+1 for you sir.

[luisenrique190]

@maiabh what a dumbass fucking comment to make...what a fucking idiot fuck how many idiots can there be fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[martysparty2042]

Not that hard a fold. The ace, set on the flop, or a straight flush would beat his hand. With 4 of one suit on the board it is very possible someone has the ace high flush. Good fold but nothing that amazing.

[toxx2010]

i would never fold that hand, i mean whats the chances of the player against you having an ace of heart

[Gofannon1985]

insane

[757Roy757]

I woulda ended up calling the river bet then bitched to the dealer about cold decking me

[prgm001]

Lolololol Demidov never takes that line with Qh so unless you think he can bluff there (incredibly sick bluff given that Schwartz's range on the turn is sets or Kh, Qh, maybe Jh) it's an easy fold.

[adam75south]

no way i'm folding 2nd nuts there. maybe just call.

[podlami]

@adam75south that are not the 2nd nuts. every full quads straight flush possibly

[adam75south]

@podlami

that are not? guess we're even hahaa

[Takkra]

nice fold, nice read!

none of you wannabe pokerstars would have made this fold!

[mtavares92]

I would have folded it.. Deminov reacted too quickly which clearly showed that he had the nut flush.

Also, there was also the possiblity of him having a straight flush due to the draw that was set on the turn

[newmanbeatbox]

You earn the 'Poker master from behind a desk' award of the year for sure.

[mtavares92]

nop, confidence and body language does all the work actually

[Violincrazy]

I've never lost a hand of poker on youtube!

[juppe007]

1:08 and 1:16 big mistakes. first @ 1:08 he looks hes cards why? to check if he has one of those hearts. and @ 1:16 he reacts on that heart which is a sign for flush. only great players can see this kind of things at that point (at the final table of WSOP main event) so it was a good fold

[beeryce88]

I honestly think he did put Demidov on a full house.. I think he put him on a hand like 77, JJ, or 99.

[ULPete]

@beeryce88 i dont see that...why wud he raise on the turn and risk getting pushed off his fh draw knowing that the other guy very likely has a good flush?

[Pellempi]

@beeryce88 I disagree. Raising the turn with a set would be a very odd play, he's turning his hand into a bluff and he absolutely has to bet his hand on this flop with a set. 99 might check the flop (though I think it's questionable) but he can't really raise that turn even if he has a set. He could check that flop with a made flush like T8, nut flush, the nut flush draw or air though I really think he would bet most of his air on the flop.

[freedomfreedomhoi]

@beeryce88

demidov will NEVER EVER raise 55,77,99,JJ at that 4.heart at the turn...plus he will most likely bet the flop

ur arguement is invalid.

[drbdrbrobertdrbdrb]

@beeryce88 with a flopped set he would raise the flop,and he would not raise the turn and give his opponent an opportunity to blow him off the hand.

[futuroleghista]

@beeryce88

No way Demidov is on 77,JJ,99 and check with 3 hearts on flop and re-raise when 4° hearts comes out, very unlikely he is bluffing when reraisng Scwartz on turn. Scwartz folds to the only card possible Ace of hearts.

[kingofcupcakes]

@beeryce88

I disagree. I think by the river Schwartz seriously considered that and honestly he would have, but I think if he had a set on the turn he would have just called and tried to make a boat on the river. Raising doesn't make sense. And if he had jacks or 7s I think he would have bet the flop.

[mattYYYz]

@beeryce88 don't think so because with such a wet board he would have cbet IMHO. I wouldn't have folded this if I was in Schartz anyway (:

[shroey20]

@beeryce88 is it impossible for him to put him on the A of hearts?

[moctezuma2008]

good read. Either he had q of hearths or Ace of hearths. Demidov raised preflop with A 10.

[Ferna900617]

NOT Incredible, but got read!

[WalkerTony]

1:08

That move might have cost a lot to Ivan.

[suspendedanimation]

wth was that commentary at the end about playing chess indoors LOL

[Mugsi]

WOW! Jeuss! The first time I have ever heard of this Ylon Schwartz and it won't be the last!!

[imissac44]

I would have Lost 4,325,000 more chips if i were in that spot.  Great Fold

[callie246]

Awesome

[PuhiSamoLevski]

amazing read. Demdov made mistakes, though. I wouldn't have raised after the turn, or at least not that much.

[PokerMashine]

world class fold!

[az015]

v. well played

[ywlin19891]

demidov was leaking reads

1. he checked his hole cards after the flop to make sure he had a heart

2. his reaction on the turn

3. he bet over the top of swartz's turn bet.

Swartz already had an idea that he might be behind before that turn bet, but he couldn't be sure.

it wasn't a bad turn raise - swartz had to call any bet but only folded the river as he reasoned that demidov could've only bet with Ah, and would've checked any other heart

that 5 was a blank, but made the lay-down easier

[boshoer]

the 5 wasn't really a blank, made a full house possible, but as you said, made the lay-down easier

[alxcsb]

I'll read your book man. You're great. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[kokoth]

First of all Schwartz is an incredibly talented player, especially online...but I have huge problems with this fold. Then again they all studied footage pretty extensively in the break, so maybe Schwartz picked sopmething up.

[patchesSD]

i would have gone all in holy shit

[pokerchobo]

thats why u dont make any money with poker=)

[janezbboy]

indeed ;)

[imissac44]

But then you would only have been called by a better hand. Boat or Ace flush. I would have only called with a king.

[martysparty2042]

@patchesSD I would want to play against you. So many hands were possible that beat his King high flush in that spot (Ace high flush, Full House, and the Straight Flush were all possibilities with that board). Easy enough fold

[IIPaGGaII]

Schwartz finished 6th in the PokerStars Sunday 500 yesterday, wich won him over $23.000,-

He sure got some talent.

[baeksi34]

monster lay down, im speechless. demidov didnt have a full house for sure therefore the only hand he couldnt beat is the A of hearts (and the 8/10 of hearts which is very unlikely). i think schwartz based his decision purely on his read. demidov's demeanor was screaming he had a big hand.

[dalvin112]

Schwartz had a good read and made a monster lay down. Definitely hard to lay that one down, but not too hard. I think he was able to lay it down because he remembered Demidov raised 3x the big blind in middle position pre-flop, which usually means, at least, one Ace. He picked up on Demidov's reaction to the turn card and figured it was the Ace of Hearts. Like I said, great read and great lay down!

[rchan0]

so hard to lay down the King, i don't think i couild have done that, really good play

[f1oRlicious]

:) the raise in the turn was very good! easy to read his hand if he just called ..(flat call-amateur move with the nuts) awesome fold .. more awesome because he folded to the A high flush not scared by the full house

[Hybridized]

What a dumb raise, if he had just flat-called his bet on the turn he would have milked even more out of him.

[iwao72]

raising in poker is not just showing strenght, it's asking questions. and you ask questions when you're not sure about your hand. the other dude knows that, as well as any poker player who's better than you. so the fold is just great, even if the river 5 helped

[Hybridized]

No I know, but other than the possibility of a straight flush, he was holding the nuts. By raising the turn, you're effectively telling the other guy you have it. If you were to smooth call, it could suggest weakness or a weaker flush i.e the Q high flush or maybe even a set. Demidov has position on him so he's almost guaranteed a river bet from scwartz if he had the heart.

[AmigoSW]

awesome lay down

[Skrikles]

Must have had a read on him? Wonder if the board didn't pair what he would have done...

[REP0M4N]

Ya, a full beats him, 8 10 of heart or the ace.

It was an incredible read.

[jonnylynch89]

or 6h8h

[Kelly4346]

demidov played that really badly. Raising quickly on the turn with the nuts. gave the strength of his hand away

[baders]

if anyone of u would call there..u must be pennystakers nd play freeroles online u idiots

[baders]

what would i do? well i would fold ...domidov might ave raised on turn with q high flush doubt it though..and if he did he wouldnt have bet that much on river without the ace...only a donk would call there really

[mrjazz646]

"only a donk would call there really "

its good to see your face on the final tables.

[tryss]

bullshit it's easy for you to say that after you saw what happened

[baders]

he raised on turn bet half pot on river..hes not doing that with q hearts u donk............just cause a donk like u cant fold a hand doesnt mean no one else can

[tryss]

again it's easy for you to say after you saw what happened

[baders]

yes and easy 4 me to say cause i know i would fold there

[acskee]

top class fold

[youngdrom]

Great fold!

[REP0M4N]

Hard to say what he thought. 3 hands could beat his flush.

The ace, the straight flush and a full house made on the river. And the way Demidov raised made him think that his hand was beat.

Great poker player!

[Taroxus]

@REP0M4N The way the hand was played it could only be the ace of hearts, i doubt demidov would check a set with 3 hearts on board. He would certainly not raise with a set on the turn. It was the ace of hearts or a bluff.

[marshallbrooks1]

@REP0M4N or the quads =D

[mcscheijgrond79]

ws he afraid of FH on the river

how he folded

[BlanBlan19901990]

nah full house is no concern here. no one's calling a raise this late with J5, 95, or 75

He was afraid of the better flush, and he made a superb fold

And I don't want any of you wannabe poker playing youtube commenters saying you would fold this because trust me..you would not.

[cmstrohL]

77, JJ, 99, 55, 6H8H, 8H10H, AH beat him as well.... 11th possible best hand...

very good laydown, but that's kind of expected at the final table w/millions of dollars up for grabs.

[tryss]

it only became the 11st best when the 5 came on the river so he actually had the 2nd best hand until the river

[baders]

he had the 3the best hand till river

[baders]

what about jj 77 55 or 99 u donk.....and ace hearts obvious he had it ida folded 2

[BlanBlan19901990]

lol, you would've folded it...yea right

[baders]

get the fuck outa here dumbass....just because ur a donkey that cant fold a hand..doesnt mean everyone else aint..fuckin idiot..really only a complete donk would call there.

[BlanBlan19901990]

lol omg, I knew the youtube community was spammed with people who think they're good at poker, but usually there are more level-headed people around who mostly give my comments a thumbs up

guess youtube is the host of this month's moron olympics

welcome guys

and only very skilled players fold the 2nd nut flush in this situation, even with a paired board, sorry kids.

[baders]

ive been skilled for years donk......like i said...just cause u cant fold a hand doesnt mean no one else can idiot

[BlanBlan19901990]

Yea and I'm 6 foot 9 and I'm a professional bodybuilder

easy to lie on the internet

[baders]

ok keep being jealous donk that CANT FOLD A HAND

[BlanBlan19901990]

Why would I be jealous?...

[baders]

dont play dumb