Fanime 2010 Aksys Panel - buzzsaw's Question

[sainounashi]

I dunno if it's funny or sad to see both dbag players like this guy and the makers themselves shitting on other games. If the guy wants to play games with high execution barriers, what's stopping him? It's not like his favorite games disappeared. The fanbase for games like that has long since capped out. Developers figured out they -have- to make games more accessible if they want more money. Otherwise like they mentioned, it's just this guy and his 5 friends.

[jeremycarrier]

@hokutoleo Actually, Street Fighter, Tekken, Marvel vs Capcom, Soul Calibur, etc have all sold millions of copies >_>

[HamalSharatan]

Did this noob say VF5 is bad?

[ifrgt2stdy]

rofl, Buzzsaw with his trolling once again.

[Mightfox]

ahaha i just realized who this is

also

>implying the option select doesnt make you get raped by purple throws

[kwinkers]

This buzzsaw guy is really ugly. :V Anyway, I'm not happy with the answer they gave. I think they're going in the wrong direction with this series...

Also, why can't GG fans and BB fans get along? :3 Or at least, why can't they stop making useless posts full of whining and bitching?

[Zeronum2]

@kwinkers Because they like to whine and bitch. Might as well ignore them.

[Bigboss233]

I like both Guilty Gear and Blazblue.

Does that make me a bad person?

[Ketsui]

I played GG X##Reload whatever the fuck it was called and the online was shit. BB's wasn't so.

[AgentAlloy]

@Ketsui # reload came out 7 years ago on the xbox and ps2, why would you compare the online modes?

[rei336]

lol Xie with the handsome answer at 3:05

[BehindTheLight99]

does anyone even play Guilty Gear? I thought that game was a joke.

[grimey1cl]

@BehindTheLight99 Probably one of the most respected FGs of the last decade, the game has died out (outside of the hardcore players) due to lack of updates and FagBlue sucking dick. GG competitive is pretty much limited to regionals now but is still more competitive than most other FGs I play (opinion) at majors, even at the limited regional level.

[BehindTheLight99]

@grimey1cl oh ok, I never really hear anyone talk about it. I'm guessing you can't get it on the xbox 360 or ps3.

[grimey1cl]

@BehindTheLight99 They off GG Accent Core (plus maybe?) on 360 arcade, and accent core was originally (other than arcade) for ps2

[BehindTheLight99]

@grimey1cl ok cool......i want to play it now

[KageZero]

I lol'd at the anime fgts who can only play blazblue telling him to sit down or play another game XD.

nah but they've made enough money what with hyper marketing the easy yet good looking blazblue. It's time for them to cater to us gg vets. give us a new game.

[GHoooSTS]

super turbo is hard because the game has depth and strategy, not because of a bunch of unnecessary execution barriers and having sixty bars on screen

[DarkDreamT2]

To be honest, GG is hard as a mofo. Still, they should cater to GG fans by making another GG alongside BlazBlue. I respect the hell out of GG, even tho I can't play it to save my life. There's no reason to not do BB and GG at the same time considering the cash they have now form their recent projects.

[DrButler]

Ha. Blazblue. Adorable. I'm going to go play a real game.

[KnightofKhaini]

that was fun nice for recording this now i can see myself anytime

[apollosfury]

Fuck that make another GGXX, shit will be hype and fun as hell to play. its always been fun and fast. BB is painfully slow and boring.

[MetsuNoLimitz]

GG players remind of a genetic bottleneck lmao

[harblardo]

this is hilarious

[raxzar]

The casuasl don´t care really how easy inputs,links etc are u just need flashy commercials and hype to sell it. Ca sual game will play it for fun mash around and move along like always. Even in the 90s casuals played like that.

[IRONiHonakoo]

it really is only noob friendly at low levels of play at high levels noobs get beat down something awful.

[KnightOfBurningFury]

@multitrackdriftu

I think probably half of what you wrote are valid complaints (I did mention the oki myself), the rest can probably go either way (burst system, throws being weak) or are subject to change (frames on hit/block), or were the same in GG, at the beginning at least.(dead angle, meter management... remember when there weren't FRCs or force breaks?).

My point is mostly just that making a game accessible does not ruin it. Oki does not ruin a game, bad execution of the system does.

[Makingnewnamesisdumb]

Fighting games honestly shouldn't be as hard as guilty gear. Normal human beings cannot play that game well. The throw/block option select is really stupid, but I think that's more of a technical oversight than a poorly designed mechanic. Last I checked it isn't in CS anyway, so they already fixed the problem.

Also, I don't think Buzzsaw understands what they meant by the F1 question. If they only made F1 racers lest than 10% of people could ever be allowed to drive.

[buzzsaw13]

@Makingnewnamesisdumb

I understand exactly what they meant from the question. If the only types of cars that were made were supercars then idiots wouldn't be able to drive them without dying. I fully support this.

[Makingnewnamesisdumb]

@buzzsaw13 No, not idiots. Practically nobody. Nobody that isn't extremely wealthy with phenomenal conditioning and skill. By expressing distaste at their turn towards a game that is more friendly to the general public you imply that it is reasonable to expect a game that only people willing to spend hours in training mode will ever enjoy. Their response is exactly right, that isn't a good design decision, it isn't a good marketing decision and it isn't good for building a community.

[buzzsaw13]

@Makingnewnamesisdumb I can understand broadening their audience, but they've dumbed the game down way too much. The game doesn't have to be as hard as Guilty Gear, but it dumbing down game mechanics is not the way to go.

[llamastrike]

@buzzsaw13 I think it's safe to say that your trolling is very - very - successful.

[2Chep]

@buzzsaw13 Then don't play obviously nothing will change since before they didn't get sell so well now they roll in money, you could always do what me and my friends do which is play the older games like 3S, CvS2 and GG rather than play BB/SSFIV and complain about it.

[anemptyeye]

The 5-frame input is actually good imo, but everything else multi says is spot on.

[multitrackdriftu]

(cont.)

okizeme in blazblue is almost entirely reactionary, as guessing which way your opponent is going to tech mostly just gets you killed. on the flipside, if you're the one rolling, you can almost safely assume that you'll get out of whatever pressure your opponent sets up so long as you block.

fatal counter is dumb, in practice it mostly just lets the player that mashes their FC move get a better trade.

hit and blockstun in cs is absolutely retarded.

i could go on, if you'd like.

[pwnzjoo1]

@multitrackdriftu Is there a reason that reactionary blocking and teching is a bad thing? Or is it just not exactly GG, so you hate it.

[multitrackdriftu]

(cont.)

instant blocking is way too strong and easy. it gives +5 on the ground and +10 in the air, making jumping even stronger than it already is. plus, the game will actually buffer instant block inputs for you if you only do one (ib the first hit of any of nu's C normals and see how many you end up ib'ing).

advance input is incredibly annoying, as sometimes the overcompensation will end up making you MISS your links (try autofiring your links in sf4 if you don't get why this is).

(cont.)

[multitrackdriftu]

(cont.)

meter management is practically nonexistent in blazblue, as most characters only use their meter for supers and rc's (hakumen and jin being the only exceptions).

jumps being so fast makes most ground mixups nothing more than a segue to air footsies, which is boring in bb since people can perfectblock all day.

double bursting in cs allows for less skilled players to make one too many mistakes and still get away with it (everyone stocks their busts for the last round in cs).

(cont.)

[kokubunji]

Since when easier to play = bad?

Gawd...

[KnightOfBurningFury]

@abysmalmonkey

Yes, everyone is on the same level which is why you always see the same people in BB tournament finals, right?

Your argument is bs. BB is still one of the more complex fighters out there but you only see "oh it doesn't have 1 frame links and has input buffers, it's casual sh*t!". You are damn pro-gamer hipster who doesn't know anything about how competitive games work, and now is angry because people can enter his exclusive clique without spending 9000 hours in practice mode.

[multitrackdriftu]

@KnightOfBurningFury

lol, you must not have been a part of a competitive blazblue community.

advance input and A+B+C are only the beginning of the gay ass things in blazblue.

[KnightOfBurningFury]

@multitrackdriftu

A+B+C option select sucks, and I'd prefer if the wakeup games were more like GG with no rolls and stuff. But then this is just the second game in the line and GG had like 5.

But advance input is a godsend. Why would anyone hate on it? Cause it makes inputting things easier?

Would you enlighten us to these other "gay ass things", because all I hear being thrown around is how "the game is dumbed down for n00bs".

[multitrackdriftu]

@KnightOfBurningFury

massive throw break windows make throws a weak mixup option, since you can easily react to them.

throws have 7 frames of startup when jump startup is only 4, so throws are double worthless (especially since even if you predict they'll jump, your airthrow is only going to get broken anyways).

perfectblock meter takes risk out of blocking in the air, especially since it regens so quickly (unlike gg where it drains your tension meter).

(cont.)

[equineforecaster]

You can have mash-friendly gameplay, but good players don't win vs bad players just because of execution.  They win because they're better strategically.

[DonkeyFist]

lol at the maker's of BlazBlue shitting on GG, VF, and SF

[UnwillingOrigins]

This was hard to watch...

[synix09]

It's called Fate Unlimited Codes.

[DukeKnight]

noob friendly is better, bigger player pool = bigger chance that more people will play

shoutouts to gg players for having good execution, but even when getting our hands held by advance input, people still drop shit so. . .

[abysmalmonkey]

BB just forces everyone onto the same level to cater for the damn idiots who are too lazy to put in any time and effort, and to those with no damn imagination. Now their making Daisuke go with their plan, else he's out of a job. Casual players and the idiotic companies who cater for them excessively over their loyal fans make me sick. Neither one care about each other or anything. Arc have lost it, completely.

[metaXzero]

They haven't lost it. They want money. And catering to the hardcore tourny players while telling casuals to fuck off by implementing really hard entrance barriers is a great way to put themselves into a financial grave. Where they are unable to even produce a sequel because no genral player can pick up the game and have fun.

Time has changed and the market of today demands easy entrance games or the companiy is wasting money.

[abysmalmonkey]

Disgusting. Arksys you're disgusting. Mori you're disgusting. Complete idiotic sellouts who don't understand a thing. You have no other reason but money...so stop coming up with fake reasons to make it look like you care and like you have a point, and like money isn't the only thing on your minds. GG isn't hard...it just keeps on giving. Meaning players can climb higher and higher and thus become HARD TO BEAT; and they deserve it for the effort they put in.

[choboruin]

Amazing questions and answers that make me sad. Yeah people can mash and have fun. =P

[AlphaFredo]

Just be glad BB isn't SF4, SF4 was just dumbed down to the extreme!

BBCS isn't as noob friendly as BBCT now, especially how Noel, Jin, and Nu (the most favorite among mashing noobs) got some nerfs that goes against noobs like Noel loosing her D overhead, Jin's Ice doesn't have to be shaken to escape, and Nu's D swords nerfed so its really hard to combo multiple swords while in the ground.

[CorenTheBrave]

@AlphaFredo

But now mash C is an integral part of his bread n butter combos; therefore there will be mashing even from skilled players.

[Mightfox]

You have to realize that GGAC is still popular in arcades there. Almost as much as Blazblue. They don't see a need to make a new one, because the old one is still making money and has plenty of life in it. Thus, they change their priorities to attracting people into the genre.

[ShinSatsuka]

I like how everyone's like "WTF" and laughing. AKA they have no idea WTF he's talking about AKA proving it's not teaching anything.

[CubaNectie]

VF5 is bad? someone got their info wrong.

[RDBlade]

@CubaNectie Yep.

[Kijiyama]

@ArawnChernobog yes and when the games become more casual and you start to feel out of place with your favorite games then welcome to our world

[GerrardW]

Better to make one awesome game and go out of business than to keep churning out some casual popamole shovelware shit aimed at the lowest common denominator.

[demonkai76]

wow..They tryin to come hard at Aksys^^....

Hell i like SSF4 but Blaze blue is still fuckin hot though

[Phoenix3568]

Daisuke Ishiwatari is too awesome.

[xmileena]

I don't see the good in alienating your hardcore audience to attract a few idiots who might play one game then see a sequel and be like "fuck that i'm just gonna play cod" when they look at your sequel because the hardcore players weren't there to make it look fun to play. You honestly don't think this day and age even the most basic moron isn't at least typing blazblue or super street fighter 4 into youtube to see videos? You're just killing word of mouth advertising that way.

[Eltoshian]

look at his face at :49 he thinks he had them stumped, little did he know what would happen...

[Shezmu]

Whelp, it's time to play Bingo: Guilty Gear Edition.

[TheCrownEmpress]

You know you're pathetic when a room full of weeaboos thinks you're embarrassing yourself.

[multitrackdriftu]

@TheCrownEmpress

i hope you suck a thousand dicks and choke on every last one of them

[llamastrike]

Y SO TROLL DANNY!?!?

...Fav'd.

[Atuin]

@llamastrike U MAD!?

keep trying danny, also fav'd

[CrimsonSnow]

"Oh, so all you and your five friends can play it?"

OHHH SNAP!

[Thienthan]

Troll

[tinymon]

Lol. So troll.

[Rarwlawlz]

I ditch school for it lmao

[RunningWildVidya]

Aww I was expecting Daisuke to yell GURLFRIEND into the mic.

[buzzsaw13]

WHY YOU SO TROLL