these guys are not grabbing the clinch right....when you hold behind the neck you have no leverage....your supposed to grasp the crown of the head and pull the head down....
The first defense is the EXACT same technique that Shogun and Ninja show in their instructional on how to defend the clinch. You guys going to correct them as well? This is very basic but also effective clinch defense. The only way you are going to know it's going to work for you is for you to train it. Plain and simple.
10 seconds into this video and i already see an incorrect muay thai clinch. His hands should be on the crown of his head not his neck, unless he plans on throwing him.
The guy doing the clinch is doing it wrong to begin with...He's not nearly close enough to his opponent, his stance is wrong...not a very good demo imo
Hm. I recently learned this technique so I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything. Is the other guy not doing the clinch right anyways? If he was holding on to the crown of his head instead of his upper neck wouldn't it be much harder for him to wedge?
@kanguesso Anderson Silva is alright but not that great of a clincher the only reason he looks good in the clinch is bc he never vs anybody with a great clinch and when GSP moves to Middle Weight from Welter Weight he wont be that good in that fight bc GSP will Kick His ASS
@DeMaster555 Also, if you honestly think that one aspect of a fight will prove to be Silva's downfall, you are either inexperienced in actual sport combat, or tragically idealistic. Not to discount his solid clinch striking and control.
I like his first escape, strike the body/head with an uppercut or hook. The second escape doesnt seem like it would work. if you can get your hand in the guys face or chin why not just strike the eyes or throat or got straight in with a punch to the face. Putting a wrist/forearm in the guys face isn't going to make him let go, maybe lead with a strong strike then do the technique . Muay Thai fighters will have a much stronger grip on your neck than this guy did.
Muay Thai fighters also aren't allowed to strike the throat lol and it's the same concept as a crossface. You will let go because it fucking hurts and is very uncomfortable. If you've ever been in one, you'd know.
@orionx910 i hate fucking crossfaces they suck i never knew a way to defend them till i started Jiu Jitsu bc in Wrestling they didnt teach me how to defend
Been doing Muay Thai for 8 years - good clinch work, it's also possible to avoid knees (if you are in a subordinate position in the clinch like Paulson) by pressing yourself close to the opponent. I'm sure there are more ways.
I have actually sparred with a muay thai artist and frankly this escape is not something that you can do on someone who knows how to do a clinch properly. Plus, the hand that blocks the kicks in not a good idea... first, it is too weak to withstand a regular knee kick by itself, secondly the guy holding you in clinch could just pummel you with his elbows as soon as you drop your guard. Other than that, that escape was neat- I will definitely try some parts of it. ;)
yes. i've been to a Paulson seminar and he ran a freakin train wreck clinic on me...just for shiggles...choked me with his calves...it was kinda allsome
I would agree this guy knows what he is doing... however the opposing "Muay Thai clinch" is poorly demonstrated i.e. open elbows, and hands laced around the neck instead of the back of the head.. just saying
@lileichmann that´s true,not a good/real mt clinch,the problem is that everyone who likes Paulson is gonna tell you that you know shit about that,and blah-blah-blah,though he is a wrestler,not mt LIKE THE FIRST pOST SAYS.
If anyone really thinks Paulson doesn't know the Clinch, do yourself a favour and look up his partner in CSW Greg Nelson. Search youtube for "Greg Nelson Clinch" which is on Erik's / CSW's official Youtube channel (rburgee876).
@ResidentNinja 1) He's not blocking the knees though. He's blocking just above the knees on the front of the thighs. There's a big nerve cluster here and with the blade of your forearm hitting this you can dead leg the guy really easily. 2) There's two types of clinch, one where you grab the neck and bring yourself in using your arms to brace their body and throw a knee straight up between, and the other where you grab the back of their head to bend them into you. Paulson knows this. Did you?
@KJGould 1.) It doesn't matter where he's planting the forearm, it won't do anything.
Think about it the thighs have some of the highest muscle density our of any part of our body. Do you really think a lazy forearms is going to be able to get through that? I've accidently had elbows catch me in the thigh as I was coming in for flying knees. It hurt, but I was still fully capable of lifting my leg, and certainly able to throw a knee to the head of my opponent.
@KJGould 2.) There are two types of clinch. The right one, and the wrong one.
Holding onto someone's neck gives you no control, and no leverage against them. Any practitioner of Muay Thai can tell you that. Clinching with the neck holds absolutely no advantage over the proper clinch. Erik should know that. Shouldn't you?
I know of Mr. Paulsons credentials, but...Where did he get the idea that a lazy forearm can stop a knee?
The techniques he's showing would only work against someone who doesn't know how to do a real Muay Thai clinch. Look where his partners hands are placed. On the neck.
NOBODY should be doing a Muay Thai clinch like that, and you especially shouldn't be showing escapes of something like that when the other guy clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
everybodies right and wrong the thai grip has many variations, but his block is affective the throw lacks the tightness to take someone down tho. something to try in practice.
putting your arm out to block the knees is the absolute wrong thing to do. Your arm cannot block them. I see amateurs try to do that all the time and they eat those knees all day long. Watch the rich franklin / silva 1 fight as an example of what not to do
This clinch defense obviously from the perspecive of a wrestler as those defenses will never work on a true muay thai practitioner. The clinch itself is incorrect in principal for starters.
This clinch is done in wrestling before a bear hug or head lock. 215, second heaviest weight class don't just run into your moves, they are too strong to pushed around.
This is actually a really sweet tutorial! My friend asked me how I might get out of a muay thai clinch and this is the most effective way I've found so far, i thought the judo-style hip throw after neutralizing the clinch was really cool. This seems simple and effective, and it ties in with the limited aikido training I'm going through. Also the shut-down (1:31) brings the opponents head so low, you could probably knock them out with a quick knee to the temple. Thanks for posting it!
Erik Paulson is Trainer of Sean Shirk, Ken Shamrock, Josh Barnett, James Wilks, Renato Sobral, Cub Swanson. He was also The Middleweight Shooto Champion in Japan with 5 title defenses..I Think he knows wht he's talking about here.
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Stupid move. If he did that to me I would have thrown a dozen knees to his rib cage and an elbow to the jaw. His pelvis should have been close to the other idiots.
Far better ways for actual combat. First would be to push arm immediantyl into adversaries facethen crank their head to the side and force them away from you. The second if you can enter clinch is todrop level and secure a body-lock, squeeze, and use a trip to take them down, knocking off balance, and securing your place on top. Or, if they are resisting for too much a struggle to go back, go with their flow and adjust with their direction, lifting and taking down using a belly-to-belly slam.
First off, the plum they are showing in this video is horrible. His hands should be near the top of his head in order to control his opponent better. The body goes wherever the head goes.
Second off, those escapes will get you fucking killed. I expect better from Erik Paulson...but he is no Thai Boxer. He's a submission wrestler that trains MMA, but he doesn't know the Thai clinch secrets i learned in Thailand.
Nah, Actually, he's a Full Instructor of Muay Thai under Ajarn Chai (Surachai Sirisute), the founder and President of the Thai Boxing Association of the USA. He's also a Black Belt In Machado Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Sambo, Full Instructor in Jeet Kune Do, Boxer, Catch Wrestler, & Tae Kwon Do Black Belt..Much more than just a Submission Wrestler.
In your stomach if your lucky. If your not it will impact somewhere below your stomach. ^^
And pushing someones arm off like that is somewhat more difficult if your opponent knows what he's doing and does not cooperate with you like in the video keeping his elbows closed.
Seriously? Have you YouTube warriors watched mma? 90% of the guys out there do not do clinch work right, Thai boxing does use knees and and elbows to protect your midsection -hence the stance- and yes, yes you can block knees with your elbow. The trick is to deliver an elbow into the quad and then scoop the leg. Ground and Pound wrestlers are great at it. Critics: go back to watching the WWE, you'll like it better. People who know what you're talking about: thank you for speaking up!
learn something retard... this is how to escape a clinch, not how to do it... see all the legitimate shit erik paulson has done... look at al the pros he has trained... do your research before you talk shit...
you have never seen a pro fighter block a knee with their arm??? watch a real fight, stop looking up kimbo... hes not real... erik knows what he is talking about... you obviously don't...
i didnt even bother watching the rest of the video because that wasnt a proper muay thai clinch, you dont grab the neck -__-, why does this have 4 stars -__-
yeah in thailand you dont drop your hands to guard your midsection as after a couple of knees you want be able to use your arms effectively and you will get elbowed or knee'ed in the head.
Yea i Know .. like he has his hands right but they have to be on top of the head pulling the head down so his elbows rest on his chest to make it hard to get out ... I have been studying muay thai for about a year now
if you're waste to waste, right ear to left ear, clinching the crown of the skull while pulling down/ pinching the elbows together this will not work.
Wow... Some people... gripping the back of the skull on the clinch will always get you tossed... plus you can have your hands how ever you would like interlaced fingers or hand over hand... it's all about where your elbows are. If your elbows are too far extended then you will not be able to control the person and they can wedge and do all the stuff in the video... keep your clinch close and tight that is why you see Thai boxers shoot knees to the floater ribs on the outside
gripping the back of the skull could get you thrown, you gotta be better then the next person is all it comes down to. Making those assumptions is a mistake.
I actually think that with big boxing gloves on the sophistication of the plum is actually a new thing to most Muy Thai guys. It is MMA that has brought it back to its more combat effective roots, which is one hand on the neck holding your own wrist, and the other holding the top of the opponent's head
The first escape that he demonstrates works just fine. Ninja and Shogun do a similar variation in their secrets of chute boxe video. But that hip throw counter would never work. Realistically do you think anyones just gonna leave their arm their after you push it over. You'd also have to be pretty strong to be able to throw someone like that. Overhooking the arms would'nt be able to generate nearly enough power. Surely the person would only have to drop down for base and pull their arms back.
You could definitely do a cross face block with gloves on to keep the distance. Then with the free arm either push on the elbow like here and lift over the head or more likely if the opponents hold is tighter, with bent elbows in close, you can similarly twist the opponents elbow outwards laterally if they have a closer hold, then step out underneath the arm and at the same time either using the knee to throw his other leg , twist the shoulder, step out, pull down and knee or just bam.
I also train in muay thai and the technique is good and does work..... yes the clinch isnt tight as it would/should be in a fight senario because this is to demonstrate the technique. It wouldn't be that slow either but again its for demonstration.
You drill slow to start and increase pace and intensity once you have the technique down. Thats the basic principle of learning. have you ever noticed when you learn to drive you go slow and over exagerate everything?
i hear ya man...thats y im sayin it works for som ppl...with xperience u tend to adjust to different fights n so on..i mean lik i said im not here to hate its just my opinion n wat u said its complete true we learn from xperiences....but i feel ya man...
in my opinion im not gonna say it suks or not...im not here to start shit but i wouldnt clinch that loose to my oponent...this is said by someone thats been doing muay thai for about 4 years now...if knees dont connect then ill just elbow n punch n as the guy crosses his arm across my face i can throw to the ground n grapple or i would just break the clinch with an elbow.....but to each his own...pretty good video for fans of the sport...
yep- these tecniques only will only work against a weak neck wrestler. i found out the hard way a few years ago--had a fight where i was way better than the guy in all respects but the clinch and i got my ass handed to me. his clinch was strong-elbows down-manipulated my head, i couldn't esape for shit. i learned alot from that fight.
In the street nothing is perfect, hense why one must learn to thrive in chaos...And if your dog is so good maybe I can barrow him next time I'm sent back to work in Iraq.
Ok Erik, in a real Muay Thai clinch, your body is completely under the control of the person who has you in the clinch. The clinch holder is going to swing your head towards his knees to create a heavier impact, wherever the head goes, the body will follow, this will cause misfooting and bad balance. And what is a natural instinct of a human when he loses balance? Flailing arms used in an attempt to maintain balance, the best thing to do is to block against the knees and get out fast.
If you turn your head, does your body have to turn with it? No. When swinging your opponent around to keep him off balance, the most direct way in the clinch is to clinch at the neck, then as you go to deliver the knee you switch your clinch up to the crown of the head. From here, you can deliver a knee to the face or a combo of a knee to the stomach release the clinch and, because you're in the perfect position, an elbow uppercut to the face. -
But the arguement that I am proposing is not about the clinch, its about the ineffectivness of some of these "reversals" while in a real Muay Thai clinch. And also, I was at no time associating a clinch to be around the head, its obvious that a clinch should be applied around the neck unless knee strikes to the face are attempted. I know how a proper clinch is performed, and if you move the neck the head will follow and so will the body.
If the head turns, it doesnt mean the body turns, But if the head is being manipulated and swung violently the body doesnt have any control; if your siting completely on a chair with your back against the back rest, and someone puts pressure against your forehead, you wont be able to stand up. If your standing straight up and someone reaches in and pulls your head towards them, your body is going to follow. Agree with the fact that the most effective clinch is to keep opponent off balance.
First of all, you're dumb. One is supposed grab him at the back of the head, not the neck. What if while reaching out for the clinch, you headbutt him in the face because in this demonstration there where no setups such as a jab-cross combo and he's about a foot and a half away when he reaches out.
Sigh. The first two sentences were directed at the one who uploaded this video for not knowing the difference between a necktie and a clinch, even though Erik said it from the start an continued throughout my comment using his improperly used term to poke fun at him as I will in each of my comments on this video. I also added a way to get rid of the problem of this happening in a fight before that problem starts.
of course they can do it wearing gloves, you idiot, it comes from a sport where they all wear gloves. go and watch some thai boxing, and stop commenting on things you know nothing about
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Plus the one who is 'holding' him has his elbows too far apart. You bring your elbows towards eachother so your opponent can't do what this Erik Paulson is making look so easy in the video.
Agreed, though if he manipulated the elbow instead of just trying to lift it up he could do it. Fact is, you can watch as many of these vids that drill techniques as you like, but you really have to spar to get good at it. If you are pulled in tight you can't do locks, advanced moves etc, you have to wait for the right moment, much like BJJ. Wait for the opponent's straight knees, push out and BANG, there's your opening. I personally drill with a resisting opponent. :)
Gameplans change yes, that doesn't been this is ineffective. I love using the clinch. A simple flying knee gets me in close, I clinch, dominate the opponent, parry their knees, elbow their knees, punch them in the head and get my underhooks, then, without warning I hip wheel the opponent onto their back. It's the most effective technique you'll ever learn (the clinch). I can thrash I boxer with just knees, which I have done. Tyson can say what he likes, but at the end of the day, he is a boxer..
these "escapes" might work if you opponent is a training dummy. horrible clinch to theres to much space between the two of you and your supposed to grab the back of the head not the neck. dropping the left hand like that isn't smart either if you tried that in a real muay thai clinch your ass is gonna get floored, blocking it with your arm like that is a broken arm on the spot.
I've seen it done with two arms, but agreed, I have never seen it done with one. And these escapes can work if you make the space, lunging knees can push you out enough to do some lightning fast locks. These ones in the video however are done wrong, as he doesn't manipulate the elbow joint. In an actual match that guy's arm ain't goin nowhere.
if u drop that left hand down to block the knee, ur asking to get a right elbow across ur face and get cut. u see that hand down, fake the knee and drop the elbow across the very exposed face.
Really? Ive trained with Erik. I know some of the guys he fought in Japan, Im not talking shit here but none of them knew much about kickboxing. Can he submit a thai fighter? Yes Im sure he can. Could he knock one out, sure. Is he going to out clench them, no way. If you havnt been locked in shin nopedetsorns plum, then you dont understand.
doesn't matter what your thais do, you need to be open to other stuff. erik was as world champion shooto and trains guys in the UFC. he'll eat thai for breakfast fnut!
I agree with mrblackmagic. It's all explained well.... but with the exception of the "wedge" none of this will work on a willing opponent. And the wedge will only put you in a more dominant position or create an opening. Technically, you don't want to "escape" from the clinch. Too many MMA guys look at the clinch the same way they look at a full mount.
Thais dont clinch like this and frankly, this crap wont work with real muay thai people. BUT it might fly with alot of what passes for muay thai in MMA or whatever.
I don't really understand what it was. but it seems the One who Catch the Blocking man is in the Wrong Pose.
When he Catch the Neck He must not Strecth his Arm that much, Instead he must put he Elbow down in which he can block his attack from below and he must put his head near to his opponent to block the elbow to the head.
when he knee strike, he must put his leg back a little and Strike!!!!! Forward
Paulson is good at MMA and JKD. They train in Muay Thai. But I'm not going to say he's awesome in Muay Thai. I doubt that what he's teaching is the same as what's used by the Thais. It does give you more perspective though, which is always good. This is a comment not a diss. Paulson is good.
these guys are not grabbing the clinch right....when you hold behind the neck you have no leverage....your supposed to grasp the crown of the head and pull the head down....
stranglehold21 4 months ago 4
@stranglehold21 exactly.
thalles5 3 months ago
is dat shit at 1:19 legal?
hemaniguaz 4 months ago
And surprise, surprise. He's also a Jeet Kune Do player. Just save your money and buy his material, really.
waterfordel 4 months ago
The first defense is the EXACT same technique that Shogun and Ninja show in their instructional on how to defend the clinch. You guys going to correct them as well? This is very basic but also effective clinch defense. The only way you are going to know it's going to work for you is for you to train it. Plain and simple.
chairmanwho 5 months ago
why is erik teaching muay thai? isnt he a wrestling guy?
saweet999 5 months ago
LOL at all the idiots trying to correst Erik Paulson on his technique.
michellec1306 5 months ago
try it when their arm's are really closing up and have alot more strength than you
TwoTastyGamers 5 months ago
10 seconds into this video and i already see an incorrect muay thai clinch. His hands should be on the crown of his head not his neck, unless he plans on throwing him.
NapAllDay718 6 months ago
er why do you not crush his balls with one hand and pop his eyeball with the other? or fish hook him with 1 hand and rip off his ear with the other,?
gekiryudojo 6 months ago
The guy doing the clinch is doing it wrong to begin with...He's not nearly close enough to his opponent, his stance is wrong...not a very good demo imo
dethshank 7 months ago
Hm. I recently learned this technique so I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything. Is the other guy not doing the clinch right anyways? If he was holding on to the crown of his head instead of his upper neck wouldn't it be much harder for him to wedge?
KalShaen 7 months ago
I would like to see how that would work against Anderson Silva's Thai Clinch.
kanguesso 10 months ago
@kanguesso
Anderson Silva??? Boooh, decent clincher at best. Try Namsaknoi, or Saenchai, or Petchboonchu from Thailand. REAL Clinchers!
shadyeskimo 9 months ago
@shadyeskimo Did you just "Booh" me? hahahahahahaha what are you, 10?
kanguesso 9 months ago
@kanguesso Since when has Booing been age-determined????
shadyeskimo 9 months ago
@shadyeskimo The minute you decide to do it.
kanguesso 9 months ago
@kanguesso Now who´s 10 ?? But Anderson has good basics, but no expertice compared to others, especially some Thai´s.
shadyeskimo 9 months ago
@shadyeskimo Huh?
kanguesso 9 months ago
@kanguesso Anderson Silva is alright but not that great of a clincher the only reason he looks good in the clinch is bc he never vs anybody with a great clinch and when GSP moves to Middle Weight from Welter Weight he wont be that good in that fight bc GSP will Kick His ASS
DeMaster555 9 months ago
@DeMaster555 Huh?
kanguesso 9 months ago
@kanguesso your retarded u cant even read ill make it easier to read.... Anderson Silva Sucks... can u read that??
DeMaster555 9 months ago
@DeMaster555 Huh?
kanguesso 9 months ago
@kanguesso haha your a fucking pussy bitch
DeMaster555 9 months ago
@DeMaster555 I'll take that as a compliment coming from a tough guy like you.
kanguesso 9 months ago
@DeMaster555 Yes, and his record proves that...
MrGatz08 6 months ago
@DeMaster555 Also, if you honestly think that one aspect of a fight will prove to be Silva's downfall, you are either inexperienced in actual sport combat, or tragically idealistic. Not to discount his solid clinch striking and control.
MrGatz08 6 months ago
how is he gonna block for elbows, when his hand is block for a knee strick.?
denmyos 10 months ago
Shouldn't he put the clinch at the crown of the head?
thedream718 10 months ago
@thedream718 Yup, clinching at the neck cheats you out of a hell of a lot of control.
Coxy002605 10 months ago
I like his first escape, strike the body/head with an uppercut or hook. The second escape doesnt seem like it would work. if you can get your hand in the guys face or chin why not just strike the eyes or throat or got straight in with a punch to the face. Putting a wrist/forearm in the guys face isn't going to make him let go, maybe lead with a strong strike then do the technique . Muay Thai fighters will have a much stronger grip on your neck than this guy did.
capt37kirk 1 year ago
@capt37kirk
Muay Thai fighters also aren't allowed to strike the throat lol and it's the same concept as a crossface. You will let go because it fucking hurts and is very uncomfortable. If you've ever been in one, you'd know.
orionx910 11 months ago
@orionx910 i hate fucking crossfaces they suck i never knew a way to defend them till i started Jiu Jitsu bc in Wrestling they didnt teach me how to defend
DeMaster555 9 months ago
Been doing Muay Thai for 8 years - good clinch work, it's also possible to avoid knees (if you are in a subordinate position in the clinch like Paulson) by pressing yourself close to the opponent. I'm sure there are more ways.
joba777 1 year ago
I have actually sparred with a muay thai artist and frankly this escape is not something that you can do on someone who knows how to do a clinch properly. Plus, the hand that blocks the kicks in not a good idea... first, it is too weak to withstand a regular knee kick by itself, secondly the guy holding you in clinch could just pummel you with his elbows as soon as you drop your guard. Other than that, that escape was neat- I will definitely try some parts of it. ;)
Ygor45 1 year ago
yes. i've been to a Paulson seminar and he ran a freakin train wreck clinic on me...just for shiggles...choked me with his calves...it was kinda allsome
backthatthangup 1 year ago
good stuff man, thanks for posting!
ACoustaDC 1 year ago
i like this but if you dont do it fast enough your setting urself up for a strangle hold.
guardiandemon666 1 year ago
I would agree this guy knows what he is doing... however the opposing "Muay Thai clinch" is poorly demonstrated i.e. open elbows, and hands laced around the neck instead of the back of the head.. just saying
lileichmann 1 year ago
@lileichmann that´s true,not a good/real mt clinch,the problem is that everyone who likes Paulson is gonna tell you that you know shit about that,and blah-blah-blah,though he is a wrestler,not mt LIKE THE FIRST pOST SAYS.
corporacionmonstruo 1 year ago
@corporacionmonstruo ...thats exactly why i chose my words carefully lol :D
lileichmann 1 year ago
@TomSpartan218 fair enough mate, interesting match up though would u say? lol
The0extra0guy 1 year ago
ok first they are purposley doing a clinch improperly so any idiot could do that
MrMarioandluigifan 1 year ago
Erik Paulson vs. 46 posers..... I'm putting my money on Paulson
DeepFriedTwinkie69 1 year ago 6
@DeepFriedTwinkie69 I'd put my money on me if he thinks that's how he's getting out of my clinch.
ResidentSamurai 1 year ago
Erik Paulson vs Bas Rutten who is your money on??
The0extra0guy 1 year ago
If anyone really thinks Paulson doesn't know the Clinch, do yourself a favour and look up his partner in CSW Greg Nelson. Search youtube for "Greg Nelson Clinch" which is on Erik's / CSW's official Youtube channel (rburgee876).
KJGould 1 year ago
nice
6StringMusic4 1 year ago
@TomSpartan218 "There is no such thing as a block from a knee in the clinch in my opinion"
Never said there was.
ResidentNinja 1 year ago
ERIC IS FAR TOO ADVANCED FOR THE MAJORITY OF VIEWERS . THEY CANT UNDERSTAND HIS CONCEPTS .
I WILL MAKE IT SIMPLE .
ALL YOU`S OUT THERE JUST LEARN HOW TO PUMMEL FOR 30 MINUTS NON STOP!!
PUMMEL INTO COLLAR HOOKS FOR ONE YEARS TIME ..
WATCH ERIC`S LESSON AFTER DOING THE ABOVE AND TALK!!
FUSSYMUAYTHAI 1 year ago
@FUSSYMUAYTHAI Did Muay Thai and Nogi Jits for years.
The blocks he's showing here are inneffective against the clinch knees, ala Rampage and Franklin.
The escape he shows would only work on someone who doesn't know how to do the Muay Thai clinch right. You don't grab the neck.
You need to train things that work, and with people who know how to do those things.
This video doesn't show that.
Again though, I respect Mr. Paulson and his credentials. Just what he's showing is incorrect.
ResidentNinja 1 year ago
@ResidentNinja 1) He's not blocking the knees though. He's blocking just above the knees on the front of the thighs. There's a big nerve cluster here and with the blade of your forearm hitting this you can dead leg the guy really easily. 2) There's two types of clinch, one where you grab the neck and bring yourself in using your arms to brace their body and throw a knee straight up between, and the other where you grab the back of their head to bend them into you. Paulson knows this. Did you?
KJGould 1 year ago
@KJGould 1.) It doesn't matter where he's planting the forearm, it won't do anything.
Think about it the thighs have some of the highest muscle density our of any part of our body. Do you really think a lazy forearms is going to be able to get through that? I've accidently had elbows catch me in the thigh as I was coming in for flying knees. It hurt, but I was still fully capable of lifting my leg, and certainly able to throw a knee to the head of my opponent.
ResidentNinja 1 year ago
@KJGould 2.) There are two types of clinch. The right one, and the wrong one.
Holding onto someone's neck gives you no control, and no leverage against them. Any practitioner of Muay Thai can tell you that. Clinching with the neck holds absolutely no advantage over the proper clinch. Erik should know that. Shouldn't you?
ResidentNinja 1 year ago
nice clinch escape!!! I guess there are a few type of techniques.
67CADILLACS 1 year ago
I know of Mr. Paulsons credentials, but...Where did he get the idea that a lazy forearm can stop a knee?
The techniques he's showing would only work against someone who doesn't know how to do a real Muay Thai clinch. Look where his partners hands are placed. On the neck.
NOBODY should be doing a Muay Thai clinch like that, and you especially shouldn't be showing escapes of something like that when the other guy clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
ResidentNinja 1 year ago
@ResidentNinja hands on the neck, error. Good post
Endika13 1 year ago
everybodies right and wrong the thai grip has many variations, but his block is affective the throw lacks the tightness to take someone down tho. something to try in practice.
mrmax7670 1 year ago
putting your arm out to block the knees is the absolute wrong thing to do. Your arm cannot block them. I see amateurs try to do that all the time and they eat those knees all day long. Watch the rich franklin / silva 1 fight as an example of what not to do
juicemangkilla 1 year ago
I know the first one works I use it all the time
1lostinspace 1 year ago
the guy cliching is doing it wrong
1.hes holdong the neck (wrong) you have to hold the crown of the head
NobleTECH 1 year ago
This clinch defense obviously from the perspecive of a wrestler as those defenses will never work on a true muay thai practitioner. The clinch itself is incorrect in principal for starters.
changoo1969 1 year ago
This clinch is done in wrestling before a bear hug or head lock. 215, second heaviest weight class don't just run into your moves, they are too strong to pushed around.
Supersmurf62 1 year ago
This is actually a really sweet tutorial! My friend asked me how I might get out of a muay thai clinch and this is the most effective way I've found so far, i thought the judo-style hip throw after neutralizing the clinch was really cool. This seems simple and effective, and it ties in with the limited aikido training I'm going through. Also the shut-down (1:31) brings the opponents head so low, you could probably knock them out with a quick knee to the temple. Thanks for posting it!
lopsided101 1 year ago
his name is robert paulson. lol
mj19580 1 year ago 2
@mj19580 I THOUGHT THE SAME THING LOL OMG
PKtraceur93 1 year ago
there doing the clinch wrong your suppose to palm over palm the occiput of the skull and the elbows r suppose to be on the chest
lebryan22 1 year ago
Erik Paulson is Trainer of Sean Shirk, Ken Shamrock, Josh Barnett, James Wilks, Renato Sobral, Cub Swanson. He was also The Middleweight Shooto Champion in Japan with 5 title defenses..I Think he knows wht he's talking about here.
mxmissle2 1 year ago
Lmao at kristpy311 you must be real special if you just went over to Thailand and learned the "secrets" of muay thai.
whatdupdoh 2 years ago
ur the idiot his way stronger then u he would have kicked ur lil ass
beast272 2 years ago
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Stupid move. If he did that to me I would have thrown a dozen knees to his rib cage and an elbow to the jaw. His pelvis should have been close to the other idiots.
27300man 2 years ago
There's nothing wrong with this video. These are all text book muay thai clinch escapes and are good.
130kali 2 years ago 3
Far better ways for actual combat. First would be to push arm immediantyl into adversaries facethen crank their head to the side and force them away from you. The second if you can enter clinch is todrop level and secure a body-lock, squeeze, and use a trip to take them down, knocking off balance, and securing your place on top. Or, if they are resisting for too much a struggle to go back, go with their flow and adjust with their direction, lifting and taking down using a belly-to-belly slam.
PrimeofPerfection 2 years ago
Erik Paulson has been doing Muay Thai longer than most posters on this thread have been alive.
Five5six 2 years ago 37
Yup. I've been at 3 seminars with this guy and I can almost promise most of these people posting are posers.
MCulpa 2 years ago 27
@MCulpa I call those people couch fighters
jrod8496 11 months ago
@Five5six im blac k we good at sports yo
saweet999 1 year ago
First off, the plum they are showing in this video is horrible. His hands should be near the top of his head in order to control his opponent better. The body goes wherever the head goes.
Second off, those escapes will get you fucking killed. I expect better from Erik Paulson...but he is no Thai Boxer. He's a submission wrestler that trains MMA, but he doesn't know the Thai clinch secrets i learned in Thailand.
Krispity311 2 years ago
Nah, Actually, he's a Full Instructor of Muay Thai under Ajarn Chai (Surachai Sirisute), the founder and President of the Thai Boxing Association of the USA. He's also a Black Belt In Machado Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Sambo, Full Instructor in Jeet Kune Do, Boxer, Catch Wrestler, & Tae Kwon Do Black Belt..Much more than just a Submission Wrestler.
mxmissle2 1 year ago 2
hmm,i couldn't see that he hold his head
in the muay thai clinch, looks more like he hold his
neck ...thats way wrong
lasrII 2 years ago
if sum guy put his hand on my neck i bit his penis!!!
Seaileanu 2 years ago 2
ENJOOOOOOOY!!!!!!!!!!!!
zqewkl 2 years ago
is that before or after you pull his elbow out of your face ?
bondsan 2 years ago
is that a rhetorical question?
Seaileanu 2 years ago
yup you guys are right, this way of escaping sucks, only gonna get you kneed in the stomach when you put your arms up.
this way wont work, unless the guy your doing it on had no experience
timothyt147 2 years ago 4
In your stomach if your lucky. If your not it will impact somewhere below your stomach. ^^
And pushing someones arm off like that is somewhat more difficult if your opponent knows what he's doing and does not cooperate with you like in the video keeping his elbows closed.
DrMabuse2006 2 years ago
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FUSSYMUAYTHAI 2 years ago
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Very bad. Before you teach, learn themselves.
From sight of the master of sports, you look like a novice.
activecreative 2 years ago
Seriously? Have you YouTube warriors watched mma? 90% of the guys out there do not do clinch work right, Thai boxing does use knees and and elbows to protect your midsection -hence the stance- and yes, yes you can block knees with your elbow. The trick is to deliver an elbow into the quad and then scoop the leg. Ground and Pound wrestlers are great at it. Critics: go back to watching the WWE, you'll like it better. People who know what you're talking about: thank you for speaking up!
-Dan
DanHGN 2 years ago 4
...that's not even a clinch at all...maybe the next time they should hug each other...
Zanedanilka 2 years ago
learn something retard... this is how to escape a clinch, not how to do it... see all the legitimate shit erik paulson has done... look at al the pros he has trained... do your research before you talk shit...
drico6t9 2 years ago 3
hes got the shkinzy legs
MacGasco 2 years ago
ya dont see guys in pro mma fights blocking knees with there forarms.. Because knee are way to powerful. you'd just wind up hurting your self..
Brennan29 2 years ago
you have never seen a pro fighter block a knee with their arm??? watch a real fight, stop looking up kimbo... hes not real... erik knows what he is talking about... you obviously don't...
drico6t9 2 years ago
co za huj
pitbullteamchwdp 2 years ago
sorry mate but in thailand they do show you ways of blocking your mid section with your arms,hip checks..
yannickmagee 2 years ago 3
i didnt even bother watching the rest of the video because that wasnt a proper muay thai clinch, you dont grab the neck -__-, why does this have 4 stars -__-
killercow91 2 years ago 3
I would like to see if it would work with a good plum tech. I know you should practice loose and relaxed but you should practice with good technique.
imanatural1 2 years ago
yeah in thailand you dont drop your hands to guard your midsection as after a couple of knees you want be able to use your arms effectively and you will get elbowed or knee'ed in the head.
bellys 2 years ago
thats not even a muay thai clinch
noonan8694 2 years ago 4
nah its not is it lol
muay thai clinch is on the back of the head rather than the neck
choobalabop 2 years ago 3
Yea i Know .. like he has his hands right but they have to be on top of the head pulling the head down so his elbows rest on his chest to make it hard to get out ... I have been studying muay thai for about a year now
noonan8694 2 years ago 3
that was really bad clinching no swan neck, no forarm contact with the body and no attemped to move the oponent.
bellys 2 years ago 4
Nathan Corbett and Erik Paulson in his heyday would be a good matchup.
whatzupa 2 years ago
if you're waste to waste, right ear to left ear, clinching the crown of the skull while pulling down/ pinching the elbows together this will not work.
PRAKTISTHAI 2 years ago
also on that 2nd on he appears to be in position for a standing arm triangle
sarakavanagh34 2 years ago
Wow... Some people... gripping the back of the skull on the clinch will always get you tossed... plus you can have your hands how ever you would like interlaced fingers or hand over hand... it's all about where your elbows are. If your elbows are too far extended then you will not be able to control the person and they can wedge and do all the stuff in the video... keep your clinch close and tight that is why you see Thai boxers shoot knees to the floater ribs on the outside
wheeler90 3 years ago
gripping the back of the skull could get you thrown, you gotta be better then the next person is all it comes down to. Making those assumptions is a mistake.
lk321134 2 years ago
hmm, this is helpful
sagmann20 3 years ago
The other variation is to do behind the neck. -_- There is more than one type of clinch.
ReijiTaro 3 years ago
there not even doin the clinch correctly . it has to be hand over hand on the back of the head. these guys are jokes.
feeklematter32 3 years ago
I actually think that with big boxing gloves on the sophistication of the plum is actually a new thing to most Muy Thai guys. It is MMA that has brought it back to its more combat effective roots, which is one hand on the neck holding your own wrist, and the other holding the top of the opponent's head
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
and why is he grabbing the neck, ur supposed to grab the back of skull to clinch.
ttsupraman1 3 years ago 3
rich franklin should watch this video.
ttsupraman1 3 years ago
he blocks the knee but the best way to avoid that strike is to stay close to the opponet or he could throw an elbow to his head.
milano1919 3 years ago 2
The first escape that he demonstrates works just fine. Ninja and Shogun do a similar variation in their secrets of chute boxe video. But that hip throw counter would never work. Realistically do you think anyones just gonna leave their arm their after you push it over. You'd also have to be pretty strong to be able to throw someone like that. Overhooking the arms would'nt be able to generate nearly enough power. Surely the person would only have to drop down for base and pull their arms back.
elitegumby 3 years ago
Erik has shown us a few variations here, he knows his stuff and has done the hard fights.
whatzupa 3 years ago
You could definitely do a cross face block with gloves on to keep the distance. Then with the free arm either push on the elbow like here and lift over the head or more likely if the opponents hold is tighter, with bent elbows in close, you can similarly twist the opponents elbow outwards laterally if they have a closer hold, then step out underneath the arm and at the same time either using the knee to throw his other leg , twist the shoulder, step out, pull down and knee or just bam.
whatzupa 3 years ago
this has nothing to do with the muay thai clinch. i train muay thai and the clinch doesn`t look like that at all
kumrovchak953 3 years ago
I also train in muay thai and the technique is good and does work..... yes the clinch isnt tight as it would/should be in a fight senario because this is to demonstrate the technique. It wouldn't be that slow either but again its for demonstration.
You drill slow to start and increase pace and intensity once you have the technique down. Thats the basic principle of learning. have you ever noticed when you learn to drive you go slow and over exagerate everything?
web pundits make me laugh!
eddymuaythai 3 years ago
i hear ya man...thats y im sayin it works for som ppl...with xperience u tend to adjust to different fights n so on..i mean lik i said im not here to hate its just my opinion n wat u said its complete true we learn from xperiences....but i feel ya man...
alangalicia001 3 years ago
in my opinion im not gonna say it suks or not...im not here to start shit but i wouldnt clinch that loose to my oponent...this is said by someone thats been doing muay thai for about 4 years now...if knees dont connect then ill just elbow n punch n as the guy crosses his arm across my face i can throw to the ground n grapple or i would just break the clinch with an elbow.....but to each his own...pretty good video for fans of the sport...
alangalicia001 3 years ago
yep- these tecniques only will only work against a weak neck wrestler. i found out the hard way a few years ago--had a fight where i was way better than the guy in all respects but the clinch and i got my ass handed to me. his clinch was strong-elbows down-manipulated my head, i couldn't esape for shit. i learned alot from that fight.
teemack 3 years ago
fuck erik paulson
chron416 3 years ago
l;ol i learn that yesterday from class ahaha
bbaobbeii 3 years ago
I just might buy your videos after watching this sloppy technique!
adickted2k 3 years ago
i use these in sparring, and yes his clinch isnt picture perfect,but hey, the technique is good.
byroncowell 3 years ago
his clinch has poor form...
MSI91 3 years ago
Hey pls that wadever paulson.. he sucks pls. Practise about 2 more years before showing your *craps*. Ty. Even my Dog can do better than this
atsy93 3 years ago
In the street nothing is perfect, hense why one must learn to thrive in chaos...And if your dog is so good maybe I can barrow him next time I'm sent back to work in Iraq.
kastle1972 3 years ago
Pfffff please go study harder then show this crap
Soelly 3 years ago
Ok Erik, in a real Muay Thai clinch, your body is completely under the control of the person who has you in the clinch. The clinch holder is going to swing your head towards his knees to create a heavier impact, wherever the head goes, the body will follow, this will cause misfooting and bad balance. And what is a natural instinct of a human when he loses balance? Flailing arms used in an attempt to maintain balance, the best thing to do is to block against the knees and get out fast.
drunkfuck52 3 years ago
If you turn your head, does your body have to turn with it? No. When swinging your opponent around to keep him off balance, the most direct way in the clinch is to clinch at the neck, then as you go to deliver the knee you switch your clinch up to the crown of the head. From here, you can deliver a knee to the face or a combo of a knee to the stomach release the clinch and, because you're in the perfect position, an elbow uppercut to the face. -
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
- There are many other things you could do depending on the situation but those are two examples.
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
But the arguement that I am proposing is not about the clinch, its about the ineffectivness of some of these "reversals" while in a real Muay Thai clinch. And also, I was at no time associating a clinch to be around the head, its obvious that a clinch should be applied around the neck unless knee strikes to the face are attempted. I know how a proper clinch is performed, and if you move the neck the head will follow and so will the body.
drunkfuck52 3 years ago
If the head turns, it doesnt mean the body turns, But if the head is being manipulated and swung violently the body doesnt have any control; if your siting completely on a chair with your back against the back rest, and someone puts pressure against your forehead, you wont be able to stand up. If your standing straight up and someone reaches in and pulls your head towards them, your body is going to follow. Agree with the fact that the most effective clinch is to keep opponent off balance.
drunkfuck52 3 years ago
First of all, you're dumb. One is supposed grab him at the back of the head, not the neck. What if while reaching out for the clinch, you headbutt him in the face because in this demonstration there where no setups such as a jab-cross combo and he's about a foot and a half away when he reaches out.
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
If somebody has something to say to me then out with it.
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
Sigh. The first two sentences were directed at the one who uploaded this video for not knowing the difference between a necktie and a clinch, even though Erik said it from the start an continued throughout my comment using his improperly used term to poke fun at him as I will in each of my comments on this video. I also added a way to get rid of the problem of this happening in a fight before that problem starts.
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piga2 3 years ago
This is funny, its impossible to to all of that stuff waring gloves....
antiflesh 3 years ago
muay thai = thai boxing and thai boxers wear... boxing gloves.
of course they can do it wearing gloves, you idiot, it comes from a sport where they all wear gloves. go and watch some thai boxing, and stop commenting on things you know nothing about
sniperjj 3 years ago
rofl, if that were true I'd be a real hero because I can do very complex clinch locks etc in sparring wearing 14oz gloves. U tit.
MattTheGiant 3 years ago
I like how people talk tough on youtube. You people don't have any clue who this guy is do you?
Jonobos 3 years ago 2
I for one don't know him. Who is he?
DrMabuse2006 3 years ago
... Read a book
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
Hmmm? What?
DrMabuse2006 3 years ago
First guy from America to win the World Light-Heavy Weight Shooto Title of Japan, which he defended for 5 years.
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
ah ya fag!!!!!!!!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
1987beans 3 years ago
No jonobos most internet thugs have been too busy typing threats to do their research and have no idea who Erik Paulson is.
tisk tisk
Mcgooey 3 years ago
The dude's in the history books for what he has achieved
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
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johnnyboi209 3 years ago
I dont think it will work.you cant protect with one hand.
Mex0214 3 years ago
Better 1 hand than nothing
RuudvanGOLL 3 years ago
Ahhh ok!
It's a miss leading title!
This is a neck tye.
And you are a idiot.
evilmickey 3 years ago
You dont grab the neck!
You need to grab the back of the head.
And thats a REALLY lose clinch...If you can even call that a clinch...
You would get murderd if you tryed this against someone with basic clinch skills.
evilmickey 3 years ago 2
Plus the one who is 'holding' him has his elbows too far apart. You bring your elbows towards eachother so your opponent can't do what this Erik Paulson is making look so easy in the video.
DrMabuse2006 3 years ago
Agreed, though if he manipulated the elbow instead of just trying to lift it up he could do it. Fact is, you can watch as many of these vids that drill techniques as you like, but you really have to spar to get good at it. If you are pulled in tight you can't do locks, advanced moves etc, you have to wait for the right moment, much like BJJ. Wait for the opponent's straight knees, push out and BANG, there's your opening. I personally drill with a resisting opponent. :)
MattTheGiant 3 years ago
this guy doesnt know how to clinch
CHIEFJB 3 years ago
those guys dont know what is clinch
disiver 3 years ago
looks better than it works... like tyson said the gsme plan changes when you get hit
textremehill 3 years ago
Gameplans change yes, that doesn't been this is ineffective. I love using the clinch. A simple flying knee gets me in close, I clinch, dominate the opponent, parry their knees, elbow their knees, punch them in the head and get my underhooks, then, without warning I hip wheel the opponent onto their back. It's the most effective technique you'll ever learn (the clinch). I can thrash I boxer with just knees, which I have done. Tyson can say what he likes, but at the end of the day, he is a boxer..
MattTheGiant 3 years ago
Hell No!
Generaltso13 3 years ago
these "escapes" might work if you opponent is a training dummy. horrible clinch to theres to much space between the two of you and your supposed to grab the back of the head not the neck. dropping the left hand like that isn't smart either if you tried that in a real muay thai clinch your ass is gonna get floored, blocking it with your arm like that is a broken arm on the spot.
Lopez2491 3 years ago
spiking your elbow onto the upcoming knee is a legitmate defence agaisnt the clinch knee; do you even train muay thai?
sniperjj 3 years ago
I've seen it done with two arms, but agreed, I have never seen it done with one. And these escapes can work if you make the space, lunging knees can push you out enough to do some lightning fast locks. These ones in the video however are done wrong, as he doesn't manipulate the elbow joint. In an actual match that guy's arm ain't goin nowhere.
MattTheGiant 3 years ago
if u drop that left hand down to block the knee, ur asking to get a right elbow across ur face and get cut. u see that hand down, fake the knee and drop the elbow across the very exposed face.
briz5 3 years ago
that is not a thai clinch. thai clinches are not from the neck as you cannnot keep the opponents head down.
shifty2022 3 years ago
Rich Franklin should of hired Paulson for the fight against Anderson Silva. He got messed up from that Muay Thai Clinch nicely.
fedormmagod 3 years ago
Really? Ive trained with Erik. I know some of the guys he fought in Japan, Im not talking shit here but none of them knew much about kickboxing. Can he submit a thai fighter? Yes Im sure he can. Could he knock one out, sure. Is he going to out clench them, no way. If you havnt been locked in shin nopedetsorns plum, then you dont understand.
mrblackmagic28 3 years ago
uh...Ive trained in thailand off and on for the last 5 years, my coacches in Tokyo are Thai champions.
Thais dont clench like that.
mrblackmagic28 3 years ago
doesn't matter what your thais do, you need to be open to other stuff. erik was as world champion shooto and trains guys in the UFC. he'll eat thai for breakfast fnut!
matouseknl 3 years ago
I agree with mrblackmagic. It's all explained well.... but with the exception of the "wedge" none of this will work on a willing opponent. And the wedge will only put you in a more dominant position or create an opening. Technically, you don't want to "escape" from the clinch. Too many MMA guys look at the clinch the same way they look at a full mount.
ProStarMMA 3 years ago
Thais dont clinch like this and frankly, this crap wont work with real muay thai people. BUT it might fly with alot of what passes for muay thai in MMA or whatever.
mrblackmagic28 3 years ago
thais do clinch like that and believe me erik paulson would pwn any thai boxer
SaniBosniaForLife 3 years ago
I don't really understand what it was. but it seems the One who Catch the Blocking man is in the Wrong Pose.
When he Catch the Neck He must not Strecth his Arm that much, Instead he must put he Elbow down in which he can block his attack from below and he must put his head near to his opponent to block the elbow to the head.
when he knee strike, he must put his leg back a little and Strike!!!!! Forward
themall3 3 years ago
Paulson is good at MMA and JKD. They train in Muay Thai. But I'm not going to say he's awesome in Muay Thai. I doubt that what he's teaching is the same as what's used by the Thais. It does give you more perspective though, which is always good. This is a comment not a diss. Paulson is good.
MTsomboBJJ 3 years ago