joonte1010 I think that mikolajoskierko is right. The Nevski-battle with the swedes were not a a part of a crusade, it was more of a armed tradeexpedition. Christening of the tavasts in Finland was the goal. This went so fine, that they wanted to expand Finland. They hoped that the russians would be so ockupied with tatars so that they wouldn´t care if Birger Jarl was trying to get more land posessions.
Stop bleating so hard SwedishNorse. You spew how Sweden did not exist at the time as if Sweden poofed into existence in the 1300s. Get real. Typical hypocrite blather to go on about the supposed hate of Russians for Swedes while oozing hate for Russians yourself.
Sweden: Formed into one nation 1523, Befor that, sweden was departed into many smaller seats of power "houses" "clans", call them what you want, But a sweden did not exist.
AND, it was the Teutonic Knights that led this invasion, BUT, behind them were Poles, Croats, Italians and other Western Slav nations loyal to the papacy. They were going to convert Russians to the papacy at the tip of a crusader sword. Two hundred years after this failed crusade, Jesouit's in Poland began to utter the phrase, "the conversion of Russia" not conversion unto Christ, but rather conversion unto the boastful papacy.
blind me if Poland and teutenic knights were together..who told you that thing? what do you read? that time Poland was too weak to think about bloody northern parts of russia
Had the Teutonic Knights won against Russia in the 13th Century it would have gone down in western history texts as the 5th Crusade. But they LOST. This is why Western historical sources white wash this as a Teutonic invasion, or an invasion by Germans. Don't forget that a Roman Catholic Cardinal accompanied those Teutonic Knights.
The invasion of Russia by Teutonic Knights was the 5th Crusade. After the fall of Constantinople in the 4th Crusade, Orthodox clerics fled northward to Russia. Remember the English Knights in the 3rd Crusade led by Richard the Lionhearted?
The Swedish invasion was 2 years before that and is not much talked about. Mostly because invasion failed horrible.
The second invasion was performed by Teuton Knights whi killed a lot of civilians. That is why when west is anti-Russian, they are compared to Teutons. Teutons are not from Sweden.
Sweden wasn't really a country back then, though. It was a set of Norse Kingdoms.
This war was actually fought over trading routes to Byzantium, but the Catholic faith versus Orthodox faith was brought in as a Crusade of sorts for young knights to sign onto.
Well, yes. they were called Varyags in Rus (Varangs in Bysantym, I think). But the point is, those who came in 1238 from where Sweden is now were not Teutons. Although that is where Aleksandr became known as Nevskiy (the battle was won on Neva).
Teutons came 2 years after and in a strong force and while first invasion was merely about a bit of pillaging, Teutons were hardcore in terms of converting others (they forcefully converted Baltics for example).
Oh, yeah, you're right. The original film was about the Teutonic Knights versus Alexander Nevsky. The defeat of the "Swedes" is an important prelude in that film. In fact, in the original, Alexander must make a choice about whether he is to fight the Mongols or the Germans, so he decides to make a pact with the Mongols. Have you seen this film?
which baltics?? at least lithuania was baptised by poland..never heard that teutonic converted baltics..propably you read not right books my friend or too much internet research:)
The territory of Lithuania, at the time, was way further south and a little bit further east than it is now ;)
Territory that is modern Estonia and Latvia was controlled by Teutons. The whole reason for existence of Teuton order was to convert pagans in the area (which is why they fought a lot less with Poland once Poland became Christian)
Nevsky deals with the invasion of the Teutonic Knights who are Germanic. The original film was commissioned in the Stalinist era as propaganda to fire up the Russians against the new invasion by Nazi Germany.
But what about Peter the Great, who beat the crap out of the Swedes at the Battle of Poltava? That was less than 300 years ago. And the film was yanked and banned by Stalin after he signed the Non-Agression Pact with Hitler in 1939. He only allowed it to be shown again after the German invasion of Russia in 1941.
joonte1010 I think that mikolajoskierko is right. The Nevski-battle with the swedes were not a a part of a crusade, it was more of a armed tradeexpedition. Christening of the tavasts in Finland was the goal. This went so fine, that they wanted to expand Finland. They hoped that the russians would be so ockupied with tatars so that they wouldn´t care if Birger Jarl was trying to get more land posessions.
alarik36 3 years ago
Stop bleating so hard SwedishNorse. You spew how Sweden did not exist at the time as if Sweden poofed into existence in the 1300s. Get real. Typical hypocrite blather to go on about the supposed hate of Russians for Swedes while oozing hate for Russians yourself.
angara150 3 years ago
Sweden: Formed into one nation 1523, Befor that, sweden was departed into many smaller seats of power "houses" "clans", call them what you want, But a sweden did not exist.
SvitjodsJarl 3 years ago
In 13 century in our annals your name "sveyi".
So you named and after 1523. Russians did not know that Swedes then yet was not. :)
lepra01 3 years ago
AND, it was the Teutonic Knights that led this invasion, BUT, behind them were Poles, Croats, Italians and other Western Slav nations loyal to the papacy. They were going to convert Russians to the papacy at the tip of a crusader sword. Two hundred years after this failed crusade, Jesouit's in Poland began to utter the phrase, "the conversion of Russia" not conversion unto Christ, but rather conversion unto the boastful papacy.
mikhail712 3 years ago 2
blind me if Poland and teutenic knights were together..who told you that thing? what do you read? that time Poland was too weak to think about bloody northern parts of russia
monkonmartin33 2 years ago
Had the Teutonic Knights won against Russia in the 13th Century it would have gone down in western history texts as the 5th Crusade. But they LOST. This is why Western historical sources white wash this as a Teutonic invasion, or an invasion by Germans. Don't forget that a Roman Catholic Cardinal accompanied those Teutonic Knights.
mikhail712 3 years ago
The invasion of Russia by Teutonic Knights was the 5th Crusade. After the fall of Constantinople in the 4th Crusade, Orthodox clerics fled northward to Russia. Remember the English Knights in the 3rd Crusade led by Richard the Lionhearted?
mikhail712 3 years ago
I'm excited by all this new Russian cinema. Eagerly anticipating Bodrov's "Mongol"
Zenophobius 4 years ago
Is that supposed to be sweden vs Novgorod/russians?
You guys must really love sweden, I mean you clearly love to prove ur selves against us, Why? we haven't faught for 300years so really..Why?
SwedishNorse 4 years ago
Russians have not hatred to Swedes. It is our history, and Alexander Nevsky - Russian sacred and very interesting historic figure.
This movie according to summary more detective history from the Middle Ages with battle episodes.
lepra01 4 years ago
The Swedish invasion was 2 years before that and is not much talked about. Mostly because invasion failed horrible.
The second invasion was performed by Teuton Knights whi killed a lot of civilians. That is why when west is anti-Russian, they are compared to Teutons. Teutons are not from Sweden.
NikkTheTrick 4 years ago
Sweden wasn't really a country back then, though. It was a set of Norse Kingdoms.
This war was actually fought over trading routes to Byzantium, but the Catholic faith versus Orthodox faith was brought in as a Crusade of sorts for young knights to sign onto.
westphalianprinz 3 years ago
Well, yes. they were called Varyags in Rus (Varangs in Bysantym, I think). But the point is, those who came in 1238 from where Sweden is now were not Teutons. Although that is where Aleksandr became known as Nevskiy (the battle was won on Neva).
Teutons came 2 years after and in a strong force and while first invasion was merely about a bit of pillaging, Teutons were hardcore in terms of converting others (they forcefully converted Baltics for example).
NikkTheTrick 3 years ago
Oh, yeah, you're right. The original film was about the Teutonic Knights versus Alexander Nevsky. The defeat of the "Swedes" is an important prelude in that film. In fact, in the original, Alexander must make a choice about whether he is to fight the Mongols or the Germans, so he decides to make a pact with the Mongols. Have you seen this film?
westphalianprinz 3 years ago
which baltics?? at least lithuania was baptised by poland..never heard that teutonic converted baltics..propably you read not right books my friend or too much internet research:)
monkonmartin33 2 years ago
The territory of Lithuania, at the time, was way further south and a little bit further east than it is now ;)
Territory that is modern Estonia and Latvia was controlled by Teutons. The whole reason for existence of Teuton order was to convert pagans in the area (which is why they fought a lot less with Poland once Poland became Christian)
NikkTheTrick 2 years ago
Nevsky deals with the invasion of the Teutonic Knights who are Germanic. The original film was commissioned in the Stalinist era as propaganda to fire up the Russians against the new invasion by Nazi Germany.
Zenophobius 4 years ago
But what about Peter the Great, who beat the crap out of the Swedes at the Battle of Poltava? That was less than 300 years ago. And the film was yanked and banned by Stalin after he signed the Non-Agression Pact with Hitler in 1939. He only allowed it to be shown again after the German invasion of Russia in 1941.
Keach47 3 years ago
russians are trying to prove to everybody around they are the best and always win. its just part of kremlin propoganda
monkonmartin33 2 years ago