Cathrine Sadolin: philosophy behind Complete Vocal Technique

[invadera12]

Ill have to disagree with all the bad comments about singing success. Because one i have tried it and gain alot of power and freedom in my voice and when i began singing i suck ass hell but i wouldn't say im a professional singer but i did found my mix voice and all my register are connected. My larynx does stay low on the high and lows and the liprolls is supposed to bring blood through the vocal cord veins so that it can be warmed and stretch out. Agree SLS is american idol winners only ha.

[udobarbra]

That sounds like she has everything kinda copied from Estill voice training system..

[hfneerd]

@udobarbra Yes, I have heard before that it can look like CVT is similar to EVTS, but it is only at very first sight. Besides that both methods has a scientific approach (must comply with anatomy, statements are or will be scrutinized etc) the two methods have huge fundamental differences. At CVI we sometimes have guest teachers presenting EVTS, and neither they or we find it's the same thing. THanks for your interest. Best wishes :) Henrik

[wajjassful]

@hfneerd One thing cvt NEVER talks about -absolutely never- is whistle register ! I find this method pretty amazing Sir, and I really mean it. But please, could you please tell me why cvt doesn't teach the whistle register ?? It should be considered as a mode, or at least as an effect ! Some students of Brett Manning are even used to singing in that register (boys and girls) ! Manning himself has 6 octaves (Though Cathrine is a far better vocal researcher than him....) SO WHY IS THAT ??

[Estefmg]

@udobarbra Not really. CVT goes beyond Estill with the teaching of vocal effects. Also, Estill is focused on the physiological functions of the voice, whereas CVT organizes "modes" according to their acoustic characteristics. Both are great approaches, but to me, CVT covers more things and let's face it, not everybody is intersted in anatomy!!!

[Gumikrukon]

6:49 And what about whispering.

Hahaha got ya Cathrine :D.

[naivete2015]

LOL All of you are so insecure with this subject. You argue with others when it ALL stems from within you. Think about it.

[mjordan1998]

....when I said everything in Singing success is in neutral I meant Curbing. With that cough/ compression feel

[K4RLM]

You just got wrong teachers and wrong habits. Singing Success involves all registers in voice. You should listen to Singing Success CD 1-2 again and start Singing Success from beginning.

[mjordan1998]

@K4RLM Believe me I have spent two years with speech level singing/singing success. I've seen every sso video, tried the course, multiple coaches. My voice got so bad that I couldn't talk loud enough to even talk to people. Low larynx lip rolls I think were the most damaging. No good comes from Singing Success. Look at people that do singing success like Taylor Swift. Their voices really suck now, or have never been good

[mjordan1998]

thing out of the 30 something books and programs and teachers that I've gone through that actually works. God bless CVI, seriously. It made me realize everything done is Singing Success/ sls is in neutral which is not ideal. I want to be a CVI coach one day but am too young right now. And the breathing/ support part is a tad bit confusing even though very in depth. A video about support should be added to the sound library.

[videosfromCVI]

Dear mkordan1998

Thanks very much for your kind words about CVT! I am thrilled CVT is of help to you.

I don't know much about SS and SLS, so I have no comment to that other than I think it is important that different methods available, so people can choose what they like.

Best wishes and happy singing to you :) Henrik

[K4RLM]

You can put out bad examples of all singing teaching methods. I am sorry that you didn't manage to understand the keys what unlocks your voice and why SLS is that popular and with such great success.

Maybe someday you will get it, but before that don't say anything bad about it.

[mjordan1998]

So spending two years on the practice with many lessons from various highly rated coaches, sso videos, and the program and my voice turned out worse than before.... I should still stick with the program cause maybe after ten years my voice will get better? Not a chance man I'll bash SLS/SS all I want CAUSE IT DOESN"T WORK . It destroyed my voice

[K4RLM]

@mjordan1998 I have worked with SS and CVT both and SS worked MUCH better to me. My voice sounded like shit when i came from lessons where i needed to shout A4 "EEEEEEEEEEE" ... My point is that, it was easier to me to blow my voice up with CVT than SS. Still i am interested in both methods why they both are so popular. And done right, SS is amazing.

[mjordan1998]

@K4RLM You know what....maybe everyones voice needs both systems. I got a really strong head voice from two years of SS where before SS I couldn't for the life of me make it passed my first bridge until I got that head voice down. But CVI taught me how to use my diaphragm properly (in only half a lesson) and that improved my voice 1000%, not even exagerrating. I wonder what would of happened if I started with CVI first then went to SS... if I would think CVI sucked...too late now I guess

[hfneerd]

@K4RLM You write that your voice sounded like shit after CVT lessons, and that CVT made it easier for you to blow your voice up. I am very sorry to hear that. Of course it shouldn't be so, and luckily the times I have heard similar statements they have all been caused by misunderstandings.

Are you sure your teacher was an Authorized CVT Teacher? It doesn't sound like it to me. You are very welcome to write the name of the teacher to me as a personal message, and I will look into it.

:) Henrik

[kirkeholmen]

@K4RLM What is the SS vocal training system? I cant seem to find any information about it on internet.

[Estefmg]

@kirkeholmen It stands for Singing Success, which is Seth Rigg's Speech Level Singing. Not recommended. It ruins your voice and for the amount of money you pay, you can buy other materials, like CVT or Singing and the Actor.

[invadera12]

@Estefmg what speech level singing does not ruin your singing???? It makes your larynx to stay at the talking position so when you sing from high to low you should feel freedom? What are you talking about in plus if your larynx is trained and can stay in the same position than it means you can have freedom in your voice. Maybe you need to do some research more about the vocal technique although im not trained i use some of those vocal techniques and it works great too bad for you.

[Estefmg]

@invadera12 I won't be rude. You said it yourself, you're not trained. I am. Do some research yourself and you'll see why the so-called "speech-level" larynx is one of the things that will hinder your register.  Don't take my word for it, but do some serious research. Buy books that are scientifically based, by authors that do ACTUAL research (CVT is one of them, but there are others). Brett Manning barely sings anymore, he always says he's sick, but it's actual damage from poor technique.

[tapdance789]

@Estefmg interesting. i started speech level at the beginning and i know think it is not good to start with it. you need a good vocal technique before the seth riggs training. can you tellme what you mean by "ruins the voice" thanks. after all it is about " the own true voice" all this " sound making" i doubt a bit.

[mjordan1998]

I got to say that I was really sceptical of CVI. I used to have good voice days and bad voice days and wanted to figure out why so I started doing singing success. My voice kept getting worse. I got many different sls coaches and watched and read everything possible about sls, but I didn't even want to hang out with anyone cause my voice got so bad (literally couldn't talk loud enough to order fast food). Then I ordered the CVI book and it greatly exceeded my expectations. It literally is the

[hfneerd]

According to CVT it is not necessary to warm your voice up before singing. The muscles around the voice are very small, and are kept warm at all times. Training is important, but that should not be done 30 minutes before concert. It's normal to try out some difficult parts a few minutes before a concert. I know of no professional singers who are warming up before a gig - except classical singers who has been taught that it can harm the voice not to warm up. This is not true in our opinion :)

[TheMightyPoliti]

Uhh even yamantaka eye got his voice ready before shows.

Warming up helps muscle memory and refocuses neurological processes; it's about being fully operational at the first thing you sing, rather than 2 minutes into the performance.

Singing is not a solely physical activity, nor is it an entirely mental action. Preventing strained muscles is not the only reason athletes warm up before games and practices.

[hfneerd]

I totally agree with you TheMightyPoliti. What you say is also described in the CVT book. The comment I'm making above is referring to the often extreme amount of more or less pointless exercises, tongue & lip trills and endless scales that many singers are taught should be done before a concert. I have in many cases met singers who are actually tiring themselves out by following some detailed warm-out program to the letter. We say: "Do what you have to to get focused - it is individual" :)

[bssb1979]

Hi there, I believe that "the SINGING worth more than a million words".

So instead of refuting every words of the opponents of CVT method with rhetoric, why not just...post a video of of the students or Catherine (if any) singing? That would explain way lot more than mere words.

Too many "vocal coaches" out there equipped with hypes and high powered marketing techniques, who can only talk but don't/can't actually sing

[hfneerd]

Hi bssb1979. I was not aware CVT had opponents. Are you one of them?

We don't see singing technique as a competition, or a religion for that matter. We just try to develop and describe it as clearly as possible, also when it means breaking with old habits.

We believe the technique should speak for it selve, and that is our focus in marketing. We don't take credit for singers individual careers - impressive or less impressive. Still clips of singing are available, even a few among my videos

:)

[Nacluw]

My music teacher mentioned about this "revolutionary" even, CVT. Are you really that revolutionary huh? He said this is good specially for those who don't think their voice sounds very great.. is it true? Well I'm a bit small boned guy and therefore my voice is pretty thin. Ronnie James Dio is more small boned and his voice is soo large.... How can it be? Practise?

[hfneerd]

Hi Nacluw. You can be small boned and still have a big larynx and vocal tract, and thereby a 'big' voice. Dio I guess has a big larynx for a person of his size, but more important: He is extremely good at controlling it - he has an impressive technique. The right practice will let everybody getting the most out of their voices. Best wishes :) Henrik

[Estefmg]

@bssb1979 I tried to paste a link to Cathrine doing a sample of the different techniques but it didn't let me. Search for "Anette Olzon Nighwish vocal coach" and you will hear her doing all that she says.

[therefuter]

I use SS or techniques from SS by Brett Manning;

but I've heard CVT doesn't necessarily use scales to warm up it just encourages different sounds and singers to vocalize in a healthy way :D

I don't know anything about CVT but it sounds like a revolutionary new way to make singing more fun MINUS all the tedious warm-ups and pre-requisites used by other techniques.

[kiagguduh]

It would be great if people who attended CVI's courses could post videos from themselves showing off

[Millarization]

@kiagguduh: check out all the videos on the You Tube CVI video channel: videosfromCVI

[mechkae]

thanks

[sandranurmsalu]

I love You, Cathrine! You are saviour!