understand what we are talking about, and logically if you also accept the first three Councils that means you can't talk about Armenian church like that which means it relate to you too. if you were here I would explain to you misinformed and misunderstand teaching. I really feel sorry for you....
You can't even be against Armenian Apostolic Orthodox church priests, because at first you have to learn Armenian Orthodox church history, dogma and theology. Monophysism doesn't mean Armenian Orthodox church accepts only Christ Divine nature or just human nature, church says divine and human natures are united in Christ as a one, that means Armenian Orthodox church accept Divine and Human nature but united in Christ as a one. If you read carefully first three Councils you will
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miaphysite, not mono.Miaphysitism holds that in the one person of Jesus Christ, Divinity and Humanity are united in one or single nature ("physis"), the two being united without separation, without confusion, and without alteration. If what your saying is true, I can not go take communion in an Eastern Orthodox or Catholic Church, guess what, its allowed.
@SakoPasha This distinction of 'extreme' vs. ' moderate' Monophysites refers to the fact that Evtyches declared simply one nature”and would accept no elaboration, whereas Dioscorus and others permitted this to be modified or explained to mean one new composite nature, one nature from out of two I accept, but two natures after the union,I cannot accept,he said such was his moderation in either case,it means that the Divine nature suffered and died and had all the natural human passions
Arright, Im going to make this clear. You calling me a neo-monophysite is a straw man (non sequitor) because first and foremost, I AM ORTHODOX by way of the Greek Patriarch of Antioch and the East, who at the time of this posting is Ignatius IV, All I did was point out that there was an agreement beteen theologians, NOT unity or communion with the whole church. I am not attacking you or the Romanian Orthodox Church, who are our brothers, but I will answer some points. you made.
g) If Dioskoros were not a Monophysite, he would at least have recognized the Definition of Faith of the Fourth (Ecumenical Synod, which in no uncertain terms defined the Christological Dogma regarding the two natures of the Lord. Meletios Kalamaras refers to Dioskoros "as being of the same mind as Evtychios."
e) If Dioskoros were Orthodox, he would have come and appeared at the Fourth Ecumenical Synod and would have confessed the Orthodox Faith, or at the very least, he would have rejected Monophysitism in writing.
f) If Dioskoros were not a Monophysite, he would not have written that the blood which was shed by Christ upon the Cross "was by nature God's and not man's"8 something which, without doubt, proves his belief that God suffered.
d) At the Fourth (Ecumenical Synod, Dioskoros was under the accusation of heresy, lodged against him by St. Leo of Rome, whom Dioskoros had previously anathematized as a heretic for his Tome. With this accusation Dioskoros was "first judged and -deposed as a heretic, since it was evident that he had deposed the most Orthodox St. Flavian as a heretic."'
e) If Dioskoros were Orthodox, he would have come and appeared at the Fourth Ecumenical Synod and would have confessed the Orthodox Faith, or at the very least, he would have rejected Monophysitism in writing.
f) If Dioskoros were not a Monophysite, he would not have written that the blood which was shed by Christ upon the Cross "was by nature God's and not man's"something which, without doubt, proves his belief that God suffered.
d) At the Fourth (Ecumenical Synod, Dioskoros was under the accusation of heresy, lodged against him by St. Leo of Rome, whom Dioskoros had previously anathematized as a heretic for his Tome. With this accusation Dioskoros was "first judged and -deposed as a heretic, since it was evident that he had deposed the most Orthodox St. Flavian as a heretic."'7
when informed with the truth, would turn from the Monophysite false belief, something which indeed happened after the Robber Council. All the bishops who took part in the Robber Council, except for Dioskoros, when they read the Tome rejected Monophysitism and followed Orthodoxy.6
c) If Dioskoros were Orthodox, he would have permitted the reading of the Orthodox Tome of St. Leo of Rome, even though eight times he promised that it would be read at this Synod, but ultimately it was not read. In this Tome, St. Leo explained in a most Orthodox manner the teaching regarding the two natures of the Lord, something that Dioskoros did not want to hear, because he was fearful that those participating in the Synod, ....
b) If Dioskoros were Orthodox, he would not have deposed at the Robber Council the most Orthodox St. Flavian, Patriarch of Constantinople, who said "two natures after the union," and he would have accepted as Orthodox the letters of St. Cyril to Nestorios and the Orientals, in which were contained the Orthodox teaching regarding the two natures of Christ.
i can t take such insults, from now one you shall see true videos, this is nothing ! you spit on the history of my fathers that protected with their blood these dogmas, and more than that you spit on the history of the HAI-HOROM armenians, see for your self the videos i ve been dedicated to the true orthodox armenian church ! and how the armenian catholicos from Constantinopol calles those armenian Hai Horoms as heretic ! i will not put out for this
@TheMistAnchorite I think you mean "I won't put up with this." Sorry, but my Romanian is lacking, friend. Like I said, we get nowhere when we attack eachother. And if I offended you, forgive me, as sinner for my tone.
The coucils divide us, yes. But recently, there was a meeting between Orthodox and Oriental theologians, and after this meeting, it was concluded that we believe the same thing about Christ, just using different empahsis and language. The barriers that exist between us now are concilar recognition, and forgiveness from both sides. Though we Orthodox know we have preserved the Apostolic faith in tact, so do the Orientals. It's time our bishops joined to settle matters. Lord, in love unite us!
@Xeres123 that is not true, i study theology and in all of our books here in Romania you are heretic ! the true orthodox armenians are the HAY-HOROM ARMENIANS wich your church talks about them as heretics as well, and i dedicated to you a video on this subject, calling me a liar will not do
@TheMistAnchorite unelss you are a priest or a bishop you cannot call me a heretic. And this hatred and snobbery that you promote is not only uncharitable, but ungodly. And along with this, it looks like in the same breath that you are gulty of donatism as well as phyletism in your own claims Is Romania the only place to study the orthodox faith? It seems like that is what your saying. I dont mean to be uncharitable in my comments, but your own comments have been coarse.
@Xeres123 my deaar friend get ridd of your so called criminal saint by the name of Dioscorus and than we can talk of union ! Why is Dioscorus heretic ?
@Xeres123 a) If Dioskoros were Orthodox and did not believe in the one nature of Christ, the Robber Council of Ephesus in A.D. 449 would not have found Evtychios innocent, who publicly was teaching this false belief. Indeed, as we witnessed, it was through Dioskoros' actions that the Robber Council proclaimed the heretic Evtychios "Teacher of the Church" on whose authority, regarding matters of faith, the faithful could depend on!
@TheMistAnchorite That is going to be amatter of some controversey for some time to come Again, unless there is a council; we cant solve this. I'm not recommending ecumenism, but respect for fellow Christians. We are too threatened by others to be throwing stones until we can get together and talk about it. Anyway, you yourself prayed for unity. Good. I do to. Its good to know what we believe, but old wounds dont heal overnight. Prayer, fasting, and love are our weapons. God bless us all.
@Xeres123 The holy Fathers, very correctly noted that with this action (that is, proclaiming Evtychios correct) "Dioskoros inflicted harm upon the Faith."
@TheMistAnchorite First off, you dont know my own religious beliefs. I am conveying what a group of our theologians have found out, not from any other external sources. From what I see, there is cultural mistrust between Armenians and Orthodox countries such as Romanian and Georgia. That needs to be solved with God's love. I am Orthodox and am in agreement with the Councils. But slapping away hands does not reflect something we pray for in every Litrugy. "The Unity of all men."
@Xeres123 sorry but i cant handle any conversation in this case ! my possition is clear, my fathers share blood for these dogmas, and because someone rejects the holy synods, that makes me ....
@Xeres123 this is why now all of Egypt is muslim, this is why Armenia looks like it is ! sorry but i cant unite with a neo-monophysite church, that rejects the synods, and considers a criminal as Dioscorus a saint, and rejects a miracle like the one of Euphemya !
@Xeres123 i asked our professours at theology about your case, and yes your church is neo-monophysite, they even brought to our attention that the dogmatic formula of Saint Cyril is different, and it is not just a matter of words, but meanings ! my professours are famuos theologicians, we cannot play with the dogmas of the church ! say what you want here, i have no time for this. Your church need to recognise her past, and heretic dogmas, so you can be forgiven
Once again author, is it truth that you want to know or do you simply want to divide us from our Armenian brothers? The people who always stood strongly by our side much more strongly then you Romanians, people like you are hypocrites spreading hate and divide through distorting the truth. Orthodox Church is united and our Catholic brothers are also our brothers in Christ do not try to break the Church as hypocrites before you have done in the past.
@KINOVINO92 it is TRUTH what i seek, and for now no one demonstrated me that the armenian church isnt monophisite since it didnt recognise the holy sinods, the miracle of Saint Euphemya, the fact that Dioscorus killed saint Flavian, Protherius and other 6 men with him ! when your church accepts all of these, than i will put my life for you
the armenians reject the heresy of Eutechyes, but let me remind you of monothelism, that is another form of monophytism ! their church have Dioscorus as a saint, and his christology is heretic ! the armenian church keeps a hidden form of monophisitism ! They will accept the truth only if they accept the 4 th ecumenical council
@TheMistAnchorite Ok. Maybe the armenians are heretics, but you can't deny that the other oriental orthodox churches way of expressing the natures of our lord god and saviour and jesus christ. They use the cyrilian terminology
The Armenians reject the heresy of Eutechyes. They use a more traditional way of expressing our lord god and saviour jesus christ, by using the cyrillian terminology"the one divine nature of the incarnate word" At the council of chalcedon, this churchm, snd others which make up the oriental orthodox church, were misunderstood at this council, and were excommunicated and anathamized!
To the author of this video, and all people who wish to follow truth and reason where they lead. I am an Orthodox Christian, and would like to clarify the position of the Armenian people, I have many Armenian friends and have therefore become interested in this question. Well firstly I would like to ask you the author to do further research before mistakenly or deliberately and I hope not deliberately distorting the truth about our Armenian brothers
@KINOVINO92 If you are indeed a true Christian and not a hypocrite that follows alternate agendas then you should read this comment, The Armenians in fact are Orthodox Christians but they belong to Oriental Orthodoxy instead of Eastern Orthodoxy this is primarily because in 451 A.D. they did not attend the council of Chalcedon as they were at this time defending their Christian faith against the Persian empire who wanted to wipe Christianity out.
@KINOVINO92 They stood few against many for their trust in Christ. They did not attend and therefore did not accept the decisions of the council, but what is relevant here is that they condemn Monophysitism as a heresy in fact they believe in the same Jesus of Nazareth, in the same Christ as other Orthodox Christians and believe in him as both God and Man not in the way Monophysitism preaches it, the wording was altered slightly at this council but the nature of Christ remained the same.
@KINOVINO92 It is quite painful to see that even inthis day and age when knowledge and information is easily available and when True Christians should stand together certain people still want to create division among people believing in the same God and the same Christ, based on minimal dogmatic differences which should not affect the unity and the belief. I may not be in a position to judge, but I think it is important for people to believe not to be mislead. and for Christians to stand united
@KINOVINO92 It is very sad to see that you claim to be Christian and yet are not following the teachings of Christ on some basic issues. You claim the Armenians believe in heresies yet you yourself are creating a heresy for you are misinterpreting and deluding the information presented and are causing conflict between brothers in Christ. Jesus preached love and not hate, unity and not division, truth and not its distortion.
@KINOVINO92 If you value truth then understand and hear this message and if you truly value the teachings of Christ and are truly Christian you will instead of planting seeds of hate and division between Christians will recognize the Armenian beliefs and their right as the first Christian nation which is Orthodox, perhaps not Eastern Orthodox but Orthodox. It seems that you sir stick to details rather than following the most fundamental teaching of Christ. Peace, Unity and Love.
@KINOVINO92 I hope you will think deeply and sincerely about this message. And if you do not then I am not to judge you but it appears its not truth you are after and simply have something against our Armenian brothers and are not being a true Christian.
The Armenian Apostolic Church (Armenian: Հայաստանեայց Առաքելական Եկեղեցի, Hayastaneayc’ Aṙak’elakan Ekeġec’i) is the world's oldest National Church,[2][3][4][5] is part of Oriental Orthodoxy, and is one of the most ancient Christian communities.[6] Armenia was the first country to adopt Christianity as its official religion in 301 AD, in establishing this church. The Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church traces its origins to the missions of Apostles Bartholomew and Thaddeus in the 1st century.
those are not holy synods, wich you talk about, these are not Decissions, this is ecumenist eretic dialogue ! tell me something about Dioscorus if you are so wise , not about unicorns and other dialogues, that dont have impact on dogmas !
It seems even with our Orthodox Church leaders, who call our 2 Orthodox Families and both denounce Monophysisim as heresy, yet you still insist on spreading false information.
Are you a man of God or has your faith been tested by anger and petty lies and jealousies?
There are also a small number of Armenians who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church (called Hay-Horoms). Those armenians are true armenians, and they reject monophysitism, they reject Dioscorus and know he was a criminal, at least the priests, and than they accept the miracle of saint Euphemya. Please follow them and than i shall do what you wish me to do even follow you
As you can see from the statement of the Eastern & Oriental Orthodox Commission 9. which I can assume have more understanding of these matters than you do, they say
" we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition"
What does the above statement mean to you? Same Authentic Orthodox Faith.
Statement of the Romanian Orthodox Church on the Theological Dialogue
Decisions of the Holy Synod, Bucharest, Romania, 8-9 December 1994
It is our hope that the decisions taken by the Holy Synod of the Romanian Orthodox Church will help to advance us on the way which is opening before us and which leads ot the fulfillment of complete communion between the two families of Orthodox Churches.
It seems you are at odds with your own Romanian Orthodox Church.
@ArmoGeorgian sorry but i am not missinformed with nothing, the only way for unity os fpr you to accept the Calchedon, to get ridd of Dioscorus from your calendars and hymns, and to accept the miracle of saint Euphemya ! Yes our romanian Patriarchy wants unity, but that unity where your priests IN SECRET will and must accept those points, till than repent you are heretics
To understand the issues better visit the site for Orthodox Unity site.
google orthodox unity commission
And please stop spreading disunity , instead work for unity called for by The Romanian Orthodox Church as per the statement calling for unity in both Orthodox Families.
You efforts only create more hate between Armenians and Georgians
I dont pretend to be a an expert on Christian Theology, I am a simple but educated person interestd in unity of Christians.
I am not interetsd about usless arguments that have consumed our Churches since 451AD, as a Christian your loyality is only to God and Christ the Saviour, not to various factions of Churches that if not resolved will only allow Islam to overtake us.
@ArmoGeorgian disunity ? do you sugest that we unite with you as you are ? you are heretics right now .... and what is with Georgia ? why everytime i say something it is all about Georgia ? no this is about Greece, Bulgaria, Russia, Serbija etc. ! dont forget accept the Calchedon synod at least in your heart and you shall be Saved ! and stop praying to saints wich were criminals like Dioscorus who killed saint Flavian
@ArmoGeorgian why dont you read something about the great miracle of saint Euphemya, and than comment ! ok than ... case closed ! read or see my video about Saint Euphemya and than comment !
@ArmoGeorgian if Armenia does that, than it shall become the crown for all of us. What you brought to my attention is an DIALOGUE, not a DECISION for crying out loud ! complete communion is something that depends on boath sides, where concesions must be done from your side ! my profesor from theology teaches that you are neo-monophisite
@ArmoGeorgian till that day, i pray for unity, but now you are not orthodox, when you will be, than this video shall be deleted. I also pray to armenian orthodox saints such as Saint Gregory the illuminator, the 42 saints from Sevasta lake, Ripsime, Gaiani, Nimfodora, Mitrodora etc. i refaire that i pray to the armenian saints that existed before your church became heretic, Dvin synod ! i course the day when your priests decided to continue the herecy at Dvin
@ArmoGeorgian the 1.5 milion armeians that died in the genocide are Saved, but not because of your priests, but because they where martyrs, without knowing the truth ! the ones that will take the course of your nation are the priests, and the people that knew the truth, and didnt do something for it ! The video is also a response to that fanatic armenian called BeautySavesWorld, ask her nicely to take the videos down and this wil be gone
Sorry my friend. but what videos are you reffering to?
The problems between my people ( Armenian & Georgian ) are like problems between two brothetrs that sometime hate and fight and but always fight as one for Christ, unless you are Armenian or Georgian you will not understand.
@ArmoGeorgian my time is precious, it is very easy, see my video where Dioscorus is exposed as a criminal, and tha about miracle of saint Euphemya ! remember that in ANI the ancient capital of Armenia, there where some CALCHEDONIAN armenian churches, i mean REALL armenian orthodox ! follow the path of those people !
@ArmoGeorgian in ANI there where armenian orthodox churches, called Calchedonian churches, it was that minority of armenian that refused MONOPHISITISM, i mean if you have respect for those brave armenians, than accept the true orthodox faith !
" we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition"
The commission is of :
" Russian, Greek, Serbian, Romanian, Armenian, Indian, Syrian, Coptic, Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Churches" and call them all Orthodox Family
I am sure they have more wisdom than you about Orthodoxy
I see someone is taking time to spam all your comments, because they do not like to hear the truth. For whatever reason some people simply want to label Armenians as heretics, but little do they realize that they are advancing the cause of hate.
@ArmoGeorgian Indeed somebody appears to have an agenda of spreading lies about the Armenian Church, this man evidently has something against Armenians. He also says that Armenians treat the Orthodox as second class Christians and this is untrue. I agree completely, whatever the reason why they want to label the Armenians as heretics it is clear that they are not being objective and are themselves committing a crime against the truth and not following the teachings of Christ.
@ArmoGeorgian f) If Dioskoros were not a Monophysite, he would not have written that the blood which was shed by Christ upon the Cross "was by nature God's and not man's"8 something which, without doubt, proves his belief that God suffered.
@ArmoGeorgian the cathedral from ANI of St Gregory of Tigran Honents was used as a Calchedonian church, and it is a symbol of those armenians that remained orthodox, at least have respect for them ! even today there are some armenian orthodox, a small minority but orthodox
@ArmoGeorgian my dear friend this is ecumenism wich you are talking about and plus these are NOT OFFICIAL POSSITIONS adopted by churches, these are just DIALOGUES, exactly as i talk with you here ! what is your problem ?
9. In the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology as well as of the above common affirmations, we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition, though they have used Christological terms in different ways. It is this common faith and continuous loyalty to the Apostolic Tradition that should be the basis for our unity and communion.
You muist understand that the Armenian Church has remained the same since its inception almost 2000 yaers ago, we did not change, we were , are , and remained Orthodox always.
In 451 AD, Armenia without suport of any other Christian state, fought the might of Persian Empire , for the right to be Christian, hence why Armenia could not attend the Council in 451AD, and since then because of politics and WORDING the Ortjhodox Churches remained split.
@ArmoGeorgian Those Armenian Emperors who sat on the throne of Byzantium were Hai-Horoms; they had to take the oath of allegiance to the Greek Orthodox Church upon assuming the crown.
Also, we must also expose the fact that Armenians and Egyptians are a unique people, who did not appreciate centuries of Hellenic and Roman rule. They were a proud people who wanted to demonstrate theological superiority. Alexandria was the Primate Church until the Council of Chalcedon. They gave up this seat of honour to Rome becaming third after Constantinople. There is plenty of psychological substance to their disapproval of Chalcedon which surpasses doctrine.
Ignorance of the actual texts continues to add to this mistreatment of Chalcedon. Philippe Schaffe has the minutes of this Council in his English translation and notes of the VII Ecumenical Councils (see ccel.org). Chalcedon compared Leo's Tome to Cyrils 12 Chapters, and his Reconciliation with John of Antioch to find only differences in terminology and not content. Cyril of Alexandria was the standard of Chalcedon, not Leo.
This is a sad but true declaration. The Copts and Armenians have been shown that the Orthodox are not Nestorian and that Eutyches whom Dioscorus defended was trully a heretic, because of a historical and collective psychological disenchantment towards the Roman Empire, they refuse to accept Chalcedon and stay divided from the One True Church. The minutes of the Chambesy meetings between Orthodox and anti-chalcedonians tell all. There they realized they had misjudged the doctrine of Chalcedon.
Read "The Council of Chalcedon Re-Examined" by Fr. VC Samuel. A lot of the "Monophysite" accusations you and the accusations you make against Dioscorus are answered very well in that book. The miracle of St. Euphemia also was never documented in the minutes of Chalcedon which were well preserved. I can tell you hagiographical stories from my Church, but that proves nothing.
@minasoliman He was a scholar, a university professor and a priest of the Indian Orthodox Church. Ok so i will find the book, even if it is made by INTERNAL sources. my dear friend i ask you something important, and i wish for you to answer: why do you attak The miracle of Saint Euphemia if you say : WE ARE NOT MONOPHISITE ?
@minasoliman that miracle is prooven by documents, of that time, by the Emperor and not only, so there is no scientific proof to claim that the miracle didnt happen, but attaking the Miracle itself, prooves that i am wright, but anyway, i shall read that book, but i also have books more interesting, to bad they are in romanian language
@minasoliman but in order to have a more solid information, i shall read that as well, but in my opinion till now it is simple: accept the council of Calchedon and the other synods, miracle of Saint Euphemya and exclude Dioscorus from your church, as you did with Eutichius
@minasoliman anyway i am glad you responded this way, so thank you, that you didnt record to insults or other things, i am not a person that is fanatic, and if you have more sources please bring them to our attention, because it is about your church and about the orthodox unity
@minasoliman from the book brought to your attention Introdoction in to the Copitic ... it sais: ,,When they discussed the words of Eutyches, his accuser
said that Eutyches was a liar. St. Dioscorus explained that his
concern is not persons but the apostolic faith." So see Dioscorus was with Eutichius s conceptions, His christolohy was monophysite
@minasoliman but first of all i would like to bring to your attention, that i also have a nother video, about the Miracle of Saint Euphemya, more than that if you bring to me strong evidence, than the videos shall be go, and not only that, i shall repent as much as your church wants me to do so
@minasoliman well that statment is a CONTRDICTION with what my church sais: First it was not held in a small chapel, but in the Church of Saint Euphemya , wich was in the fortress of Boshorus, and the church was under the jurisdiction of the holy mitropoly of Calchedon sea, historians quote that it was very big as a church, and that many people fit inside it, many people where inside, and in the church where the relics of Saint Euphemya, and i can give you a lot of info about her
@minasoliman the reason why they chose Saint Euphemya to see who is wright or wrong, is because this saint before Calchedon synod has made a lot of miracles ! How can Father VC SAMUEL say that there where no number of bishops counted ? when we know for sure that in the presence of the emperor Marcian (450-457), the participants of the Council sealed the tomb, putting on it the imperial seal and setting a guard to watch over it for three days
@minasoliman and in my romanian book intitulated: do we accept the union with monophisites, it sais clearly that they chose the place of her tomb, because they ALL CELEBRATED HER that day ! so it is a lie to say that few where there, because it was the saints DAY ! so plus because she performed a lot of miracles wich i can bring to you, is also a reson why a lot of Bishops and priests where there, even the Emperor
@minasoliman so i tend to believe my side, not because i am orthodox,but because Father VC Samuel based his affirmation here on nothing, excluding even archeology itself ! even on wikipedia at the subject HAGIOGRAPHY sais about the church: that after her death ,, a CATHEDRAL was built in Chalcedon over her grave."
@minasoliman so small chapel and cathedral dont match ! more than that few people, and bishops, dont match with the presence of the Emperor itself, with the miracles that she did EVERY YEAR she used to bleed from her tomb, and plus a lot of people and boath parties etc. Sorry but it seems that i am wright !
@minasoliman this doesnt mean that i will stop reading his book, probably he has something true to offer, and that he was missinformed on that subject !
You're a dumb kid who needs to learn some history. One thing i am going to say that will prove you are indeed a dumb ass is that Armenians dont say they are the first christian people, instead they say they are the first nation to adopt Christianity as a state religion. First Christian people are those who heard Christ and accepted him when he was on earth. Antioch were the first to be named Christians but that doesnt mean they were the first to accept Christ.
@TheMistAnchorite I am the one who needs proof from you because you are the one accusing. You need proof on what? Do you understand the difference between first christians and first christian nation?
@keghamminas Տէր Յիսուս Քրիստոս Որդի Աստուծոյ ողորմեա ինձ մեղաւորիս ! sorry but i am not orthodox by name, i am orthodox because i know the delicate thing that need and must be done by your priests in order for the Armenian church to take the CROWN of christianity ! see the other 2 videos as well
@keghamminas those are not arguments, those are only acusation to me personally, false acussation shall not stay, bring solid arguments, and i asure they shall stay where they are.Your priests are liars, but the people that doent know all of this , dont carry the sins of your priests !
@keghamminas be democratic as well and dont turn on criticizing me, because this is a comunist thinking, criticize what i say! yes all of you treat us like second class christians, because you dont want to return to orthodoxy, and i am not cursing, putting words in my mouth will not do
@keghamminas i did this video because i love Armenia, and i want it to return to orthodoxy 100 % recognise the synods 4 5 6 7, the miracle os Saint Euphemya, and conamn Dioscorus teachings and expose his criminal acts against Prothrius, and against Flavian ! shame on you, be proud that i let you events, after attaking in a comunist style my persona !
@KingofPeace93 book by the Title "Modern Heresies" where he comments on this topic and says that our Lord said in 6:54 whoever eats my body and not whoever eats my divinity.HE SAYS THAT THERE IS NO HYPOSTATIC UNITY AT ALL THROUGH COMMUNION. But all of you be happy that i have right no no time to make a video about this ! We are not monophysite but 4 synods we dont accept, plus recognise Flav as a saint and Euphemya etc.
@KingofPeace93 at His Holiness own sermon that he gave at the theological seminary where he explained that we cannot eat the divinity. He goes on to give the example of a beast eating an animal after killing it saying that the beast eats the flesh and not the soul the animal as the soul has no physical existence.
@KingofPeace93 If the divine nature was united to our human nature, it means that our nature was able to receive the divine nature without it being consumed by it.
@KingofPeace93 How can the 2 essences mix? If they united in the Person of Christ, why then cannot they unite in the Holy Body that we eat in the Communion/Eucharist??
The Pope's logic/argument was that the Divine Nature cannot be consumed (eaten) - but that leads to another very compelling question:The Divine Nature cannot be eaten, so HOW ON EARTH can it unite to the Human nature??? Surely it was OUR human nature that this Divine nature was united to?
@KingofPeace93 c) Second point is this: The Pope's argument was that we cannot possibly eat Divinity. Fine. But then the priest clearly said (And the BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS!) that Christ was born of the Saint Mary and of the Holy Spirit. i.e. that The PERSON Jesus Christ is COMPLETE MAN and COMPLETE GOD. So, how then can the Divine nature be united with the human nature? How can the 2 substances unite??
@KingofPeace93 we are claiming that we are receiving the complete nature of Christ in the Holy Communion, yet the Pope is somehow stressing that we are only receiving the Human Element of it - not the complete essence.It goes against the Church fathers that said that we cannot speak of the 2 natures AFTER the incarnation, but we recognise ONLY THE ONE NATURE of Christ - the United nature of His Divinity and Humanity IN the person of Christ.
@KingofPeace93 if that is HIS REAL Body and I'm partaking of it in every way, then again, the question remains as to why the Pope insists we are not eating the Divine Nature ??? We are not eating the Divine Nature, nor the Human Nature - we are eating the United Miaphystic nature of Christ. To separate them in the Holy Communion SURELY leads us again to a heresy?
@KingofPeace93 Question: Why then do we only take the human nature and eat it? Why do we separate His Divine Nature from His Human nature according to what the Pope is claiming?? b) If the priest says that Christ's Divinity did NOT depart from His Humanity, "for a single instance NOR for a twinkle of an eye", WHY then do we separate it when we have the Holy Communion? If the priest says "THIS IS THAT BODY, THAT HE TOOK FROM OUR QUEEN, SAINT MARY" ...
@KingofPeace93 Let's analyse this statement carefully that the priest says:
a) That the Holy Body that Im about to partake of in the Holy Communion IS the real Body of Christ in all its form (in its very essence), i.e. the SAME Body that Christ had Himself (i.e. its very same nature) that He took from Saint Mary which He UNITED IT with His Divinity. Therefore, Point 1: His Nature is ONE nature - A united nature: Of Man and God IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST.
@KingofPeace93 His made it One with his Divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration.
He witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate. He gave It up for us upon the holy wood of the cross of His own will, for us all.
Truly, I believe that His divinity parted not from His humanity for a single moment nor a twinkling of an eye; given for us for salvation and for the remission of sins ...
@KingofPeace93 Amen. Amen. Amen. I believe, I believe, I believe and confess to the last breath; that this is the Life-giving Body that Your Only-Begotten Son, our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ took from our lady, the lady of us all, the holy Mother of God, Saint Mary.
@KingofPeace93 it is that simple: 4 more synods must be accepted ! Amen ! (if we claim loud and clear we are not monophysite, but we dont recognise the miracle of saint Euphemya and expose Dioscorus and his teachings)
@KingofPeace93 it is a form of neo-monophisitism , not monophisitism itself ! His Holiness Pope Shenouda III, has stated that during the Holy Communion, we only eat the "LIFE GIVING" Holy Body of Christ. Not the "Divine Holy Body". Well what about that ? does it apply with "Truly I believe that his divinity parted NOT from his humanity for a single moment nor a twinkling of an eye."
The Holy Armenian ORTHODOX Church is NOT Monophysite as you say, nor any of the Oriental Orthodox Churches such as the Coptic, Syriac, Ethiopian, Eritrean, or Malankara. These churches are as monophysites as the Eastern Orthodox Church is Nestorian. In the Gospel of Saint Matthew, it says "For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned."
to start with if you are a Christian READ YOUR BIBLE carefully the whole of Christendom are divided and everyone criticizes the other if you are Cristiano look at the images and the idols behind you CHRIST said when you worship god you worship with spirit and truth no through images idols candelas and all sort of objects that are taken from pagan religions
@BeautySavesWorld why you blocked me?you dont want to listen the truth?I have Serb friend who he has armenian wife,I respect him and I respect-TheMistAnchorite too.In this reason,I will not say bad words here.so be carefull of your words,or I will hang you by legs!armenians have done many disgusting things:you treated religion for political reason;you treated Georgia(who saved you many times)in every trouble;now you require 600 georgian churches in Georgia.So be carefull and read more History
@miRoshevich well sorry but BeautySavesWorld blocked me, she has no arguments against this, but if she wants reall videos with wich everyone agrees, than i shall give her a piece of my mind ! i still expect her to appologise for her videos and hate against Georgia and against all orthodox nations
@TheMistAnchorite what lies has beauty preached? explain.. oxford linguists have stated that a pre-christian Georgian Alphabet is quote "UNFOUNDED" in research, only georgians claim to have a pre-christian alphabet to denote Mashtots' involvement in creating it.
second, read the Georgian chronicles about Iberians.. Georgians clearly themselves stated, that the early iberians spoke Armenian.. and when the jews settled into Mshkheti, their language changed. this is in their chronicles, not ours.
@ZeeGooner yes i read the georgian chronicles, and selecting what you like from it will not just do, and about the alphabet you should see my video MANKIND'S FIRST ALPHABET, SUMERIAN ALPHABET - GEORGIAN ASOMTAVRULI-MAJUSCULE where i explain this issue as well ! the video of BTW states out that georgians are a combination a mixture of jews, greeks, and that the original fathers of that land are armenians
@ZeeGooner i dont think that saying that Armenians are caucasian albanian whould sound to good ! but my question is : do georgians exist ? it looks like all they have is armenian, why do you think this way ? sure Artsakh and Nachicheban are Armenia, but promoting such hate, will divide you boath under Russia and muslims
@ZeeGooner her first mistake is from the very second of that video of hers: where she sais that scolars identify ancient Colchis with present day Abkhazia, wich is false.Clochis was bigger than todays Abkhazia. Archeology sais it and Strabo makes Colchis begin at Trabzon, while Ptolemy, on the other hand, extends Pontus to the Rioni River. Pitsunda was the last town to the north in Colchis.
@ZeeGooner she also says that egyptians ethiopians and cholchis where the only ones that practiced circumcission, but she doesnt mention that Herodotus uses the Egyptian origin of the practice to argue that the Cholchis in (PONTUS) are Egyptians ! so again a nother incomplete info ...
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0546897855 2 days ago
understand what we are talking about, and logically if you also accept the first three Councils that means you can't talk about Armenian church like that which means it relate to you too. if you were here I would explain to you misinformed and misunderstand teaching. I really feel sorry for you....
mamprein 1 week ago
You can't even be against Armenian Apostolic Orthodox church priests, because at first you have to learn Armenian Orthodox church history, dogma and theology. Monophysism doesn't mean Armenian Orthodox church accepts only Christ Divine nature or just human nature, church says divine and human natures are united in Christ as a one, that means Armenian Orthodox church accept Divine and Human nature but united in Christ as a one. If you read carefully first three Councils you will
mamprein 1 week ago
Misinformed fanaticism.
SuryoyoSpirit 1 week ago
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0546897855 1 week ago
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0546897855 1 week ago
@0546897855 He is one of the most smartest Turks i've ever heard.
Thank You for your videos MistAnchorite.
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0546897855 2 days ago
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7paren 1 week ago
miaphysite, not mono.Miaphysitism holds that in the one person of Jesus Christ, Divinity and Humanity are united in one or single nature ("physis"), the two being united without separation, without confusion, and without alteration. If what your saying is true, I can not go take communion in an Eastern Orthodox or Catholic Church, guess what, its allowed.
SakoPasha 2 weeks ago
@SakoPasha This distinction of 'extreme' vs. ' moderate' Monophysites refers to the fact that Evtyches declared simply one nature”and would accept no elaboration, whereas Dioscorus and others permitted this to be modified or explained to mean one new composite nature, one nature from out of two I accept, but two natures after the union,I cannot accept,he said such was his moderation in either case,it means that the Divine nature suffered and died and had all the natural human passions
TheMistAnchorite 2 weeks ago
Arright, Im going to make this clear. You calling me a neo-monophysite is a straw man (non sequitor) because first and foremost, I AM ORTHODOX by way of the Greek Patriarch of Antioch and the East, who at the time of this posting is Ignatius IV, All I did was point out that there was an agreement beteen theologians, NOT unity or communion with the whole church. I am not attacking you or the Romanian Orthodox Church, who are our brothers, but I will answer some points. you made.
Xeres123 3 weeks ago
Meletios Kalamaras refers to Dioskoros "as being of the same mind as Evtychios."
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
g) If Dioskoros were not a Monophysite, he would at least have recognized the Definition of Faith of the Fourth (Ecumenical Synod, which in no uncertain terms defined the Christological Dogma regarding the two natures of the Lord. Meletios Kalamaras refers to Dioskoros "as being of the same mind as Evtychios."
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
e) If Dioskoros were Orthodox, he would have come and appeared at the Fourth Ecumenical Synod and would have confessed the Orthodox Faith, or at the very least, he would have rejected Monophysitism in writing.
f) If Dioskoros were not a Monophysite, he would not have written that the blood which was shed by Christ upon the Cross "was by nature God's and not man's"8 something which, without doubt, proves his belief that God suffered.
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
d) At the Fourth (Ecumenical Synod, Dioskoros was under the accusation of heresy, lodged against him by St. Leo of Rome, whom Dioskoros had previously anathematized as a heretic for his Tome. With this accusation Dioskoros was "first judged and -deposed as a heretic, since it was evident that he had deposed the most Orthodox St. Flavian as a heretic."'
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
e) If Dioskoros were Orthodox, he would have come and appeared at the Fourth Ecumenical Synod and would have confessed the Orthodox Faith, or at the very least, he would have rejected Monophysitism in writing.
f) If Dioskoros were not a Monophysite, he would not have written that the blood which was shed by Christ upon the Cross "was by nature God's and not man's"something which, without doubt, proves his belief that God suffered.
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
d) At the Fourth (Ecumenical Synod, Dioskoros was under the accusation of heresy, lodged against him by St. Leo of Rome, whom Dioskoros had previously anathematized as a heretic for his Tome. With this accusation Dioskoros was "first judged and -deposed as a heretic, since it was evident that he had deposed the most Orthodox St. Flavian as a heretic."'7
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
when informed with the truth, would turn from the Monophysite false belief, something which indeed happened after the Robber Council. All the bishops who took part in the Robber Council, except for Dioskoros, when they read the Tome rejected Monophysitism and followed Orthodoxy.6
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
c) If Dioskoros were Orthodox, he would have permitted the reading of the Orthodox Tome of St. Leo of Rome, even though eight times he promised that it would be read at this Synod, but ultimately it was not read. In this Tome, St. Leo explained in a most Orthodox manner the teaching regarding the two natures of the Lord, something that Dioskoros did not want to hear, because he was fearful that those participating in the Synod, ....
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
b) If Dioskoros were Orthodox, he would not have deposed at the Robber Council the most Orthodox St. Flavian, Patriarch of Constantinople, who said "two natures after the union," and he would have accepted as Orthodox the letters of St. Cyril to Nestorios and the Orientals, in which were contained the Orthodox teaching regarding the two natures of Christ.
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
i can t take such insults, from now one you shall see true videos, this is nothing ! you spit on the history of my fathers that protected with their blood these dogmas, and more than that you spit on the history of the HAI-HOROM armenians, see for your self the videos i ve been dedicated to the true orthodox armenian church ! and how the armenian catholicos from Constantinopol calles those armenian Hai Horoms as heretic ! i will not put out for this
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@TheMistAnchorite I think you mean "I won't put up with this." Sorry, but my Romanian is lacking, friend. Like I said, we get nowhere when we attack eachother. And if I offended you, forgive me, as sinner for my tone.
Xeres123 3 weeks ago
The coucils divide us, yes. But recently, there was a meeting between Orthodox and Oriental theologians, and after this meeting, it was concluded that we believe the same thing about Christ, just using different empahsis and language. The barriers that exist between us now are concilar recognition, and forgiveness from both sides. Though we Orthodox know we have preserved the Apostolic faith in tact, so do the Orientals. It's time our bishops joined to settle matters. Lord, in love unite us!
Xeres123 3 weeks ago
@Xeres123 that is not true, i study theology and in all of our books here in Romania you are heretic ! the true orthodox armenians are the HAY-HOROM ARMENIANS wich your church talks about them as heretics as well, and i dedicated to you a video on this subject, calling me a liar will not do
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@TheMistAnchorite unelss you are a priest or a bishop you cannot call me a heretic. And this hatred and snobbery that you promote is not only uncharitable, but ungodly. And along with this, it looks like in the same breath that you are gulty of donatism as well as phyletism in your own claims Is Romania the only place to study the orthodox faith? It seems like that is what your saying. I dont mean to be uncharitable in my comments, but your own comments have been coarse.
Xeres123 3 weeks ago
@Xeres123 my deaar friend get ridd of your so called criminal saint by the name of Dioscorus and than we can talk of union ! Why is Dioscorus heretic ?
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@Xeres123 a) If Dioskoros were Orthodox and did not believe in the one nature of Christ, the Robber Council of Ephesus in A.D. 449 would not have found Evtychios innocent, who publicly was teaching this false belief. Indeed, as we witnessed, it was through Dioskoros' actions that the Robber Council proclaimed the heretic Evtychios "Teacher of the Church" on whose authority, regarding matters of faith, the faithful could depend on!
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@TheMistAnchorite That is going to be amatter of some controversey for some time to come Again, unless there is a council; we cant solve this. I'm not recommending ecumenism, but respect for fellow Christians. We are too threatened by others to be throwing stones until we can get together and talk about it. Anyway, you yourself prayed for unity. Good. I do to. Its good to know what we believe, but old wounds dont heal overnight. Prayer, fasting, and love are our weapons. God bless us all.
Xeres123 3 weeks ago
@Xeres123 The holy Fathers, very correctly noted that with this action (that is, proclaiming Evtychios correct) "Dioskoros inflicted harm upon the Faith."
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@Xeres123 your religion is a nother face of monophisitism ! just exactly as the monothelite sect was !
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@TheMistAnchorite First off, you dont know my own religious beliefs. I am conveying what a group of our theologians have found out, not from any other external sources. From what I see, there is cultural mistrust between Armenians and Orthodox countries such as Romanian and Georgia. That needs to be solved with God's love. I am Orthodox and am in agreement with the Councils. But slapping away hands does not reflect something we pray for in every Litrugy. "The Unity of all men."
Xeres123 3 weeks ago
@Xeres123 sorry but i cant handle any conversation in this case ! my possition is clear, my fathers share blood for these dogmas, and because someone rejects the holy synods, that makes me ....
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@Xeres123 this is why now all of Egypt is muslim, this is why Armenia looks like it is ! sorry but i cant unite with a neo-monophysite church, that rejects the synods, and considers a criminal as Dioscorus a saint, and rejects a miracle like the one of Euphemya !
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@Xeres123 i asked our professours at theology about your case, and yes your church is neo-monophysite, they even brought to our attention that the dogmatic formula of Saint Cyril is different, and it is not just a matter of words, but meanings ! my professours are famuos theologicians, we cannot play with the dogmas of the church ! say what you want here, i have no time for this. Your church need to recognise her past, and heretic dogmas, so you can be forgiven
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
Once again author, is it truth that you want to know or do you simply want to divide us from our Armenian brothers? The people who always stood strongly by our side much more strongly then you Romanians, people like you are hypocrites spreading hate and divide through distorting the truth. Orthodox Church is united and our Catholic brothers are also our brothers in Christ do not try to break the Church as hypocrites before you have done in the past.
KINOVINO92 4 weeks ago
@KINOVINO92 it is TRUTH what i seek, and for now no one demonstrated me that the armenian church isnt monophisite since it didnt recognise the holy sinods, the miracle of Saint Euphemya, the fact that Dioscorus killed saint Flavian, Protherius and other 6 men with him ! when your church accepts all of these, than i will put my life for you
TheMistAnchorite 4 weeks ago
the armenians reject the heresy of Eutechyes, but let me remind you of monothelism, that is another form of monophytism ! their church have Dioscorus as a saint, and his christology is heretic ! the armenian church keeps a hidden form of monophisitism ! They will accept the truth only if they accept the 4 th ecumenical council
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@TheMistAnchorite Ok. Maybe the armenians are heretics, but you can't deny that the other oriental orthodox churches way of expressing the natures of our lord god and saviour and jesus christ. They use the cyrilian terminology
SuperScarrow 3 weeks ago
The Armenians reject the heresy of Eutechyes. They use a more traditional way of expressing our lord god and saviour jesus christ, by using the cyrillian terminology"the one divine nature of the incarnate word" At the council of chalcedon, this churchm, snd others which make up the oriental orthodox church, were misunderstood at this council, and were excommunicated and anathamized!
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1001astra 1 month ago
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To the author of this video, and all people who wish to follow truth and reason where they lead. I am an Orthodox Christian, and would like to clarify the position of the Armenian people, I have many Armenian friends and have therefore become interested in this question. Well firstly I would like to ask you the author to do further research before mistakenly or deliberately and I hope not deliberately distorting the truth about our Armenian brothers
KINOVINO92 1 month ago
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@KINOVINO92 If you are indeed a true Christian and not a hypocrite that follows alternate agendas then you should read this comment, The Armenians in fact are Orthodox Christians but they belong to Oriental Orthodoxy instead of Eastern Orthodoxy this is primarily because in 451 A.D. they did not attend the council of Chalcedon as they were at this time defending their Christian faith against the Persian empire who wanted to wipe Christianity out.
KINOVINO92 1 month ago
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@KINOVINO92 They stood few against many for their trust in Christ. They did not attend and therefore did not accept the decisions of the council, but what is relevant here is that they condemn Monophysitism as a heresy in fact they believe in the same Jesus of Nazareth, in the same Christ as other Orthodox Christians and believe in him as both God and Man not in the way Monophysitism preaches it, the wording was altered slightly at this council but the nature of Christ remained the same.
KINOVINO92 1 month ago
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@KINOVINO92 It is quite painful to see that even inthis day and age when knowledge and information is easily available and when True Christians should stand together certain people still want to create division among people believing in the same God and the same Christ, based on minimal dogmatic differences which should not affect the unity and the belief. I may not be in a position to judge, but I think it is important for people to believe not to be mislead. and for Christians to stand united
KINOVINO92 1 month ago
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@KINOVINO92 It is very sad to see that you claim to be Christian and yet are not following the teachings of Christ on some basic issues. You claim the Armenians believe in heresies yet you yourself are creating a heresy for you are misinterpreting and deluding the information presented and are causing conflict between brothers in Christ. Jesus preached love and not hate, unity and not division, truth and not its distortion.
KINOVINO92 1 month ago
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@KINOVINO92 If you value truth then understand and hear this message and if you truly value the teachings of Christ and are truly Christian you will instead of planting seeds of hate and division between Christians will recognize the Armenian beliefs and their right as the first Christian nation which is Orthodox, perhaps not Eastern Orthodox but Orthodox. It seems that you sir stick to details rather than following the most fundamental teaching of Christ. Peace, Unity and Love.
KINOVINO92 1 month ago
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@KINOVINO92 I hope you will think deeply and sincerely about this message. And if you do not then I am not to judge you but it appears its not truth you are after and simply have something against our Armenian brothers and are not being a true Christian.
KINOVINO92 1 month ago
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1001astra 1 month ago
@1001astra the music is greek byzantine kabanos is also on yt
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
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1001astra 1 month ago
The Armenian Apostolic Church (Armenian: Հայաստանեայց Առաքելական Եկեղեցի, Hayastaneayc’ Aṙak’elakan Ekeġec’i) is the world's oldest National Church,[2][3][4][5] is part of Oriental Orthodoxy, and is one of the most ancient Christian communities.[6] Armenia was the first country to adopt Christianity as its official religion in 301 AD, in establishing this church. The Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church traces its origins to the missions of Apostles Bartholomew and Thaddeus in the 1st century.
Peresahakgharibyan 1 month ago
return to the true faith in Jesus Christ and become as those orthodox true christians Hai-Horoms.
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
return to the true faith in Jesus Christ and become as those orthodox true christians Hai-Horoms.
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
those are not holy synods, wich you talk about, these are not Decissions, this is ecumenist eretic dialogue ! tell me something about Dioscorus if you are so wise , not about unicorns and other dialogues, that dont have impact on dogmas !
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
It seems even with our Orthodox Church leaders, who call our 2 Orthodox Families and both denounce Monophysisim as heresy, yet you still insist on spreading false information.
Are you a man of God or has your faith been tested by anger and petty lies and jealousies?
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago 2
There are also a small number of Armenians who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church (called Hay-Horoms). Those armenians are true armenians, and they reject monophysitism, they reject Dioscorus and know he was a criminal, at least the priests, and than they accept the miracle of saint Euphemya. Please follow them and than i shall do what you wish me to do even follow you
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
several Armenian Chalcedonian churches still exist !
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@TheMistAnchorite
As you can see from the statement of the Eastern & Oriental Orthodox Commission 9. which I can assume have more understanding of these matters than you do, they say
" we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition"
What does the above statement mean to you? Same Authentic Orthodox Faith.
I hope you understand
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
Statement of the Romanian Orthodox Church on the Theological Dialogue
Decisions of the Holy Synod, Bucharest, Romania, 8-9 December 1994
It is our hope that the decisions taken by the Holy Synod of the Romanian Orthodox Church will help to advance us on the way which is opening before us and which leads ot the fulfillment of complete communion between the two families of Orthodox Churches.
It seems you are at odds with your own Romanian Orthodox Church.
You are being misinformed my friend
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian sorry but i am not missinformed with nothing, the only way for unity os fpr you to accept the Calchedon, to get ridd of Dioscorus from your calendars and hymns, and to accept the miracle of saint Euphemya ! Yes our romanian Patriarchy wants unity, but that unity where your priests IN SECRET will and must accept those points, till than repent you are heretics
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@TheMistAnch
To understand the issues better visit the site for Orthodox Unity site.
google orthodox unity commission
And please stop spreading disunity , instead work for unity called for by The Romanian Orthodox Church as per the statement calling for unity in both Orthodox Families.
You efforts only create more hate between Armenians and Georgians
Stefan
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
@TheMistAnchorite
I dont pretend to be a an expert on Christian Theology, I am a simple but educated person interestd in unity of Christians.
I am not interetsd about usless arguments that have consumed our Churches since 451AD, as a Christian your loyality is only to God and Christ the Saviour, not to various factions of Churches that if not resolved will only allow Islam to overtake us.
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian disunity ? do you sugest that we unite with you as you are ? you are heretics right now .... and what is with Georgia ? why everytime i say something it is all about Georgia ? no this is about Greece, Bulgaria, Russia, Serbija etc. ! dont forget accept the Calchedon synod at least in your heart and you shall be Saved ! and stop praying to saints wich were criminals like Dioscorus who killed saint Flavian
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian why dont you read something about the great miracle of saint Euphemya, and than comment ! ok than ... case closed ! read or see my video about Saint Euphemya and than comment !
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian if Armenia does that, than it shall become the crown for all of us. What you brought to my attention is an DIALOGUE, not a DECISION for crying out loud ! complete communion is something that depends on boath sides, where concesions must be done from your side ! my profesor from theology teaches that you are neo-monophisite
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian till that day, i pray for unity, but now you are not orthodox, when you will be, than this video shall be deleted. I also pray to armenian orthodox saints such as Saint Gregory the illuminator, the 42 saints from Sevasta lake, Ripsime, Gaiani, Nimfodora, Mitrodora etc. i refaire that i pray to the armenian saints that existed before your church became heretic, Dvin synod ! i course the day when your priests decided to continue the herecy at Dvin
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian the 1.5 milion armeians that died in the genocide are Saved, but not because of your priests, but because they where martyrs, without knowing the truth ! the ones that will take the course of your nation are the priests, and the people that knew the truth, and didnt do something for it ! The video is also a response to that fanatic armenian called BeautySavesWorld, ask her nicely to take the videos down and this wil be gone
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@TheMistAnchorite
Sorry my friend. but what videos are you reffering to?
The problems between my people ( Armenian & Georgian ) are like problems between two brothetrs that sometime hate and fight and but always fight as one for Christ, unless you are Armenian or Georgian you will not understand.
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian Georgia has nothing to do here ! this is about orthodoxy, about all of us ! accept the miracle of Saint Euphemya and repent !
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian my time is precious, it is very easy, see my video where Dioscorus is exposed as a criminal, and tha about miracle of saint Euphemya ! remember that in ANI the ancient capital of Armenia, there where some CALCHEDONIAN armenian churches, i mean REALL armenian orthodox ! follow the path of those people !
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian in ANI there where armenian orthodox churches, called Calchedonian churches, it was that minority of armenian that refused MONOPHISITISM, i mean if you have respect for those brave armenians, than accept the true orthodox faith !
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
One more time:
Orthodox Unity Commission Statement 1990
" we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition"
The commission is of :
" Russian, Greek, Serbian, Romanian, Armenian, Indian, Syrian, Coptic, Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Churches" and call them all Orthodox Family
I am sure they have more wisdom than you about Orthodoxy
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago 2
@ArmoGeorgian You are right brother, Greeks and Armenians we are brothers. And also all our other Christian brothers
KINOVINO92 1 month ago
@KINOVINO92
I see someone is taking time to spam all your comments, because they do not like to hear the truth. For whatever reason some people simply want to label Armenians as heretics, but little do they realize that they are advancing the cause of hate.
Thank you for your support.
Hellas & Armos always together
ArmoGeorgian 4 weeks ago
@ArmoGeorgian Indeed somebody appears to have an agenda of spreading lies about the Armenian Church, this man evidently has something against Armenians. He also says that Armenians treat the Orthodox as second class Christians and this is untrue. I agree completely, whatever the reason why they want to label the Armenians as heretics it is clear that they are not being objective and are themselves committing a crime against the truth and not following the teachings of Christ.
KINOVINO92 4 weeks ago
@KINOVINO92 what is the lie, in what i say ?
TheMistAnchorite 4 weeks ago
@KINOVINO92
Unfortunatley I must agree, and even though my Mothers side is Georgian and I love my Georgian side, I have to say you are right.
But also know that many azeri turk muslims live in Georgia, and a lot o them on YT pretend they are Orthodox Georgians to spread hate.
Friend Chris here once made videos about Armenia, but some how he was poisened with lies and half truths, now he openly spreads the lies.
btw my wife is Greek, se we have Greek, Georgian & Armenian blood
ArmoGeorgian 3 weeks ago
@ArmoGeorgian who is lieing ? if i lie than proove it, this is the possition of my church and the georgian church, i dont talk from myself
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@ArmoGeorgian f) If Dioskoros were not a Monophysite, he would not have written that the blood which was shed by Christ upon the Cross "was by nature God's and not man's"8 something which, without doubt, proves his belief that God suffered.
TheMistAnchorite 3 weeks ago
@ArmoGeorgian the cathedral from ANI of St Gregory of Tigran Honents was used as a Calchedonian church, and it is a symbol of those armenians that remained orthodox, at least have respect for them ! even today there are some armenian orthodox, a small minority but orthodox
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@TheMistAnchorite
My friend, I have respect for all my Armenian brothers, this issue of who is true Orthodox has been argued for 1600 years, almost.
Here is the latest from the joint commission .
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
1990 Statement by commission of Eastern Othodox & Oriental Orthodox.
Short version
1)Both families agree in condemning the Eutychian heresy
2)Both families condemn the Nestorian heresy and the crypto-Nestorianism of Theodoret of Cyrus
there are other 8 points that you should, and understand the point 9, below.
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian my dear friend this is ecumenism wich you are talking about and plus these are NOT OFFICIAL POSSITIONS adopted by churches, these are just DIALOGUES, exactly as i talk with you here ! what is your problem ?
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@TheMistAnchorite
Yes a lot of dialouge, but also many Joint Satements which are official.
You should read them my friend, I dont have any problems, I only point out facts to people.
When the joint commission of Orthodox ( Oriental & Eastern) makes statements and signs them, it is called an OFFICIAL JOINT STATEMENT,
visit the site and read them
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
9. In the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology as well as of the above common affirmations, we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition, though they have used Christological terms in different ways. It is this common faith and continuous loyalty to the Apostolic Tradition that should be the basis for our unity and communion.
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
@TheMistAnchorite
You muist understand that the Armenian Church has remained the same since its inception almost 2000 yaers ago, we did not change, we were , are , and remained Orthodox always.
In 451 AD, Armenia without suport of any other Christian state, fought the might of Persian Empire , for the right to be Christian, hence why Armenia could not attend the Council in 451AD, and since then because of politics and WORDING the Ortjhodox Churches remained split.
ArmoGeorgian 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian Those Armenian Emperors who sat on the throne of Byzantium were Hai-Horoms; they had to take the oath of allegiance to the Greek Orthodox Church upon assuming the crown.
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
@ArmoGeorgian They lived mostly in the district of Eghin, on the Euphrates, and around Gheyveh, on the Ankara railway line.
TheMistAnchorite 1 month ago
Also, we must also expose the fact that Armenians and Egyptians are a unique people, who did not appreciate centuries of Hellenic and Roman rule. They were a proud people who wanted to demonstrate theological superiority. Alexandria was the Primate Church until the Council of Chalcedon. They gave up this seat of honour to Rome becaming third after Constantinople. There is plenty of psychological substance to their disapproval of Chalcedon which surpasses doctrine.
n1ch0la5p 1 month ago
Ignorance of the actual texts continues to add to this mistreatment of Chalcedon. Philippe Schaffe has the minutes of this Council in his English translation and notes of the VII Ecumenical Councils (see ccel.org). Chalcedon compared Leo's Tome to Cyrils 12 Chapters, and his Reconciliation with John of Antioch to find only differences in terminology and not content. Cyril of Alexandria was the standard of Chalcedon, not Leo.
n1ch0la5p 1 month ago
This is a sad but true declaration. The Copts and Armenians have been shown that the Orthodox are not Nestorian and that Eutyches whom Dioscorus defended was trully a heretic, because of a historical and collective psychological disenchantment towards the Roman Empire, they refuse to accept Chalcedon and stay divided from the One True Church. The minutes of the Chambesy meetings between Orthodox and anti-chalcedonians tell all. There they realized they had misjudged the doctrine of Chalcedon.
n1ch0la5p 1 month ago
We are tied with lie from Armenia side! just STOP! Georgian guy Architect restorer
MrChemotemo 2 months ago
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Gryffster 2 months ago 2
no my dear friend, you are very wrong!!!
crouge 2 months ago
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orthodox xtianity is same violent as islamism.
i feel ashamed i orthodox xtian. I got tired see all hatred towards other religions and even other forms of xtianity from orthodox society.
I am happy i rejected small comedian god and become atheist.
Impulse116 2 months ago
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crouge 2 months ago
@crouge God bless you ! Տէր Յիսուս Քրիստոս Որդի Աստուծոյ ողորմեա ինձ մեղաւորիս
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
and to be more precise on archeology and to proove more that it was not a chapel please see the description of this video where you can find a link !
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@TheMistAnchorite
Ask yourself this question and answer it honestly: Is what you are stating here accusation, or not?
stigelo 2 months ago
Read "The Council of Chalcedon Re-Examined" by Fr. VC Samuel. A lot of the "Monophysite" accusations you and the accusations you make against Dioscorus are answered very well in that book. The miracle of St. Euphemia also was never documented in the minutes of Chalcedon which were well preserved. I can tell you hagiographical stories from my Church, but that proves nothing.
minasoliman 2 months ago
@minasoliman He was a scholar, a university professor and a priest of the Indian Orthodox Church. Ok so i will find the book, even if it is made by INTERNAL sources. my dear friend i ask you something important, and i wish for you to answer: why do you attak The miracle of Saint Euphemia if you say : WE ARE NOT MONOPHISITE ?
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman that miracle is prooven by documents, of that time, by the Emperor and not only, so there is no scientific proof to claim that the miracle didnt happen, but attaking the Miracle itself, prooves that i am wright, but anyway, i shall read that book, but i also have books more interesting, to bad they are in romanian language
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman but in order to have a more solid information, i shall read that as well, but in my opinion till now it is simple: accept the council of Calchedon and the other synods, miracle of Saint Euphemya and exclude Dioscorus from your church, as you did with Eutichius
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman anyway i am glad you responded this way, so thank you, that you didnt record to insults or other things, i am not a person that is fanatic, and if you have more sources please bring them to our attention, because it is about your church and about the orthodox unity
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman i am reading right now the book intutulated: introdoction in to the Coptic orthodox church Fr. Tadros Y. Malaty
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman from the book brought to your attention Introdoction in to the Copitic ... it sais: ,,When they discussed the words of Eutyches, his accuser
said that Eutyches was a liar. St. Dioscorus explained that his
concern is not persons but the apostolic faith." So see Dioscorus was with Eutichius s conceptions, His christolohy was monophysite
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman but first of all i would like to bring to your attention, that i also have a nother video, about the Miracle of Saint Euphemya, more than that if you bring to me strong evidence, than the videos shall be go, and not only that, i shall repent as much as your church wants me to do so
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman look so in the book that i brought to your attention it sais at page 92 about the miracle of saint Euphemia: ,,Rev. V.C.
Samuel states that the minutes contain no mention of the
number of bishops who attended this meeting, which does
not even deserve to be counted as a session, but it is clear
that their number was small, and that it was held in the
martyrion of St. Euphemia8 (a small chapel) instead of the
Church of Euphemia."
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman well that statment is a CONTRDICTION with what my church sais: First it was not held in a small chapel, but in the Church of Saint Euphemya , wich was in the fortress of Boshorus, and the church was under the jurisdiction of the holy mitropoly of Calchedon sea, historians quote that it was very big as a church, and that many people fit inside it, many people where inside, and in the church where the relics of Saint Euphemya, and i can give you a lot of info about her
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman the reason why they chose Saint Euphemya to see who is wright or wrong, is because this saint before Calchedon synod has made a lot of miracles ! How can Father VC SAMUEL say that there where no number of bishops counted ? when we know for sure that in the presence of the emperor Marcian (450-457), the participants of the Council sealed the tomb, putting on it the imperial seal and setting a guard to watch over it for three days
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman and in my romanian book intitulated: do we accept the union with monophisites, it sais clearly that they chose the place of her tomb, because they ALL CELEBRATED HER that day ! so it is a lie to say that few where there, because it was the saints DAY ! so plus because she performed a lot of miracles wich i can bring to you, is also a reson why a lot of Bishops and priests where there, even the Emperor
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman so i tend to believe my side, not because i am orthodox,but because Father VC Samuel based his affirmation here on nothing, excluding even archeology itself ! even on wikipedia at the subject HAGIOGRAPHY sais about the church: that after her death ,, a CATHEDRAL was built in Chalcedon over her grave."
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman so small chapel and cathedral dont match ! more than that few people, and bishops, dont match with the presence of the Emperor itself, with the miracles that she did EVERY YEAR she used to bleed from her tomb, and plus a lot of people and boath parties etc. Sorry but it seems that i am wright !
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman this doesnt mean that i will stop reading his book, probably he has something true to offer, and that he was missinformed on that subject !
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@minasoliman, That's Ecumenist lies. Read the two articles in my video on the subject.
Pilgrim1411 2 months ago
You're a dumb kid who needs to learn some history. One thing i am going to say that will prove you are indeed a dumb ass is that Armenians dont say they are the first christian people, instead they say they are the first nation to adopt Christianity as a state religion. First Christian people are those who heard Christ and accepted him when he was on earth. Antioch were the first to be named Christians but that doesnt mean they were the first to accept Christ.
HyeKnight13 2 months ago
@HyeKnight13 I NEED PROOF THAT THIS VIDEO IS INCORECT, NOT ACUSATIONS
TheMistAnchorite 2 months ago
@TheMistAnchorite I am the one who needs proof from you because you are the one accusing. You need proof on what? Do you understand the difference between first christians and first christian nation?
HyeKnight13 2 months ago
God bless Georgia
skripter888 3 months ago
@keghamminas Տէր Յիսուս Քրիստոս Որդի Աստուծոյ ողորմեա ինձ մեղաւորիս ! sorry but i am not orthodox by name, i am orthodox because i know the delicate thing that need and must be done by your priests in order for the Armenian church to take the CROWN of christianity ! see the other 2 videos as well
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@TheMistAnchorite Where are my previous comments ? You deleted them
because you were unable to answer ? Afraid of the truth ? Evedently you
prefere to speak alone with your self and still you pretend to be a true
Christian on accusing our priests to be liars ! May Jesus cure you and
never feel your self a second class .
keghamminas 3 months ago
@keghamminas those are not arguments, those are only acusation to me personally, false acussation shall not stay, bring solid arguments, and i asure they shall stay where they are.Your priests are liars, but the people that doent know all of this , dont carry the sins of your priests !
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@TheMistAnchorite please be christian and democratic , let all comments and leave
people to judge ,not only you and please remember Jesus : DON'T JUDGE OTHERS
SO NOT TO BE JUDGED. No body treated you second class ,stop cursing our
priests .
keghamminas 3 months ago
@keghamminas be democratic as well and dont turn on criticizing me, because this is a comunist thinking, criticize what i say! yes all of you treat us like second class christians, because you dont want to return to orthodoxy, and i am not cursing, putting words in my mouth will not do
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@TheMistAnchorite so you consider criticism as communism ?
"some Armenians treat you as second class , what is their percentage ?
why do you generalize on all Armenians ;you have plenty of questions,
i have advised you previously to dialogue with the heads of the holy ArmeniaChurch.
keghamminas 3 months ago
@keghamminas i did this video because i love Armenia, and i want it to return to orthodoxy 100 % recognise the synods 4 5 6 7, the miracle os Saint Euphemya, and conamn Dioscorus teachings and expose his criminal acts against Prothrius, and against Flavian ! shame on you, be proud that i let you events, after attaking in a comunist style my persona !
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
We must unite, but not like this ! people need to know what happened wrong , to accept the union in repentace and in truth
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 book by the Title "Modern Heresies" where he comments on this topic and says that our Lord said in 6:54 whoever eats my body and not whoever eats my divinity.HE SAYS THAT THERE IS NO HYPOSTATIC UNITY AT ALL THROUGH COMMUNION. But all of you be happy that i have right no no time to make a video about this ! We are not monophysite but 4 synods we dont accept, plus recognise Flav as a saint and Euphemya etc.
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 at His Holiness own sermon that he gave at the theological seminary where he explained that we cannot eat the divinity. He goes on to give the example of a beast eating an animal after killing it saying that the beast eats the flesh and not the soul the animal as the soul has no physical existence.
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 If the divine nature was united to our human nature, it means that our nature was able to receive the divine nature without it being consumed by it.
Well you see the pont here, so ....
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 How can the 2 essences mix? If they united in the Person of Christ, why then cannot they unite in the Holy Body that we eat in the Communion/Eucharist??
The Pope's logic/argument was that the Divine Nature cannot be consumed (eaten) - but that leads to another very compelling question:The Divine Nature cannot be eaten, so HOW ON EARTH can it unite to the Human nature??? Surely it was OUR human nature that this Divine nature was united to?
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 c) Second point is this: The Pope's argument was that we cannot possibly eat Divinity. Fine. But then the priest clearly said (And the BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS!) that Christ was born of the Saint Mary and of the Holy Spirit. i.e. that The PERSON Jesus Christ is COMPLETE MAN and COMPLETE GOD. So, how then can the Divine nature be united with the human nature? How can the 2 substances unite??
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 we are claiming that we are receiving the complete nature of Christ in the Holy Communion, yet the Pope is somehow stressing that we are only receiving the Human Element of it - not the complete essence.It goes against the Church fathers that said that we cannot speak of the 2 natures AFTER the incarnation, but we recognise ONLY THE ONE NATURE of Christ - the United nature of His Divinity and Humanity IN the person of Christ.
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 if that is HIS REAL Body and I'm partaking of it in every way, then again, the question remains as to why the Pope insists we are not eating the Divine Nature ??? We are not eating the Divine Nature, nor the Human Nature - we are eating the United Miaphystic nature of Christ. To separate them in the Holy Communion SURELY leads us again to a heresy?
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 Question: Why then do we only take the human nature and eat it? Why do we separate His Divine Nature from His Human nature according to what the Pope is claiming?? b) If the priest says that Christ's Divinity did NOT depart from His Humanity, "for a single instance NOR for a twinkle of an eye", WHY then do we separate it when we have the Holy Communion? If the priest says "THIS IS THAT BODY, THAT HE TOOK FROM OUR QUEEN, SAINT MARY" ...
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 Let's analyse this statement carefully that the priest says:
a) That the Holy Body that Im about to partake of in the Holy Communion IS the real Body of Christ in all its form (in its very essence), i.e. the SAME Body that Christ had Himself (i.e. its very same nature) that He took from Saint Mary which He UNITED IT with His Divinity. Therefore, Point 1: His Nature is ONE nature - A united nature: Of Man and God IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST.
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 His made it One with his Divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration.
He witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate. He gave It up for us upon the holy wood of the cross of His own will, for us all.
Truly, I believe that His divinity parted not from His humanity for a single moment nor a twinkling of an eye; given for us for salvation and for the remission of sins ...
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 Amen. Amen. Amen. I believe, I believe, I believe and confess to the last breath; that this is the Life-giving Body that Your Only-Begotten Son, our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ took from our lady, the lady of us all, the holy Mother of God, Saint Mary.
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 it is that simple: 4 more synods must be accepted ! Amen ! (if we claim loud and clear we are not monophysite, but we dont recognise the miracle of saint Euphemya and expose Dioscorus and his teachings)
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 i can also make a video about that issue as well, but probably few will understand theology
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@KingofPeace93 it is a form of neo-monophisitism , not monophisitism itself ! His Holiness Pope Shenouda III, has stated that during the Holy Communion, we only eat the "LIFE GIVING" Holy Body of Christ. Not the "Divine Holy Body". Well what about that ? does it apply with "Truly I believe that his divinity parted NOT from his humanity for a single moment nor a twinkling of an eye."
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
The Holy Armenian ORTHODOX Church is NOT Monophysite as you say, nor any of the Oriental Orthodox Churches such as the Coptic, Syriac, Ethiopian, Eritrean, or Malankara. These churches are as monophysites as the Eastern Orthodox Church is Nestorian. In the Gospel of Saint Matthew, it says "For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned."
KingofPeace93 3 months ago
Adica armeni sunt monofiziti? Nu stiam asta !
VyckRo 3 months ago
@VyckRo si de ar fi numai atat ....
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
to start with if you are a Christian READ YOUR BIBLE carefully the whole of Christendom are divided and everyone criticizes the other if you are Cristiano look at the images and the idols behind you CHRIST said when you worship god you worship with spirit and truth no through images idols candelas and all sort of objects that are taken from pagan religions
boomba3 3 months ago
Great vid again Chris . And I love those icons you have . Do you have ' Our Lady of the Sign ? '
ComradeAgopian 3 months ago
@BeautySavesWorld why you blocked me?you dont want to listen the truth?I have Serb friend who he has armenian wife,I respect him and I respect-TheMistAnchorite too.In this reason,I will not say bad words here.so be carefull of your words,or I will hang you by legs!armenians have done many disgusting things:you treated religion for political reason;you treated Georgia(who saved you many times)in every trouble;now you require 600 georgian churches in Georgia.So be carefull and read more History
miRoshevich 3 months ago
@miRoshevich well sorry but BeautySavesWorld blocked me, she has no arguments against this, but if she wants reall videos with wich everyone agrees, than i shall give her a piece of my mind ! i still expect her to appologise for her videos and hate against Georgia and against all orthodox nations
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@TheMistAnchorite what lies has beauty preached? explain.. oxford linguists have stated that a pre-christian Georgian Alphabet is quote "UNFOUNDED" in research, only georgians claim to have a pre-christian alphabet to denote Mashtots' involvement in creating it.
second, read the Georgian chronicles about Iberians.. Georgians clearly themselves stated, that the early iberians spoke Armenian.. and when the jews settled into Mshkheti, their language changed. this is in their chronicles, not ours.
ZeeGooner 3 months ago
@ZeeGooner yes i read the georgian chronicles, and selecting what you like from it will not just do, and about the alphabet you should see my video MANKIND'S FIRST ALPHABET, SUMERIAN ALPHABET - GEORGIAN ASOMTAVRULI-MAJUSCULE where i explain this issue as well ! the video of BTW states out that georgians are a combination a mixture of jews, greeks, and that the original fathers of that land are armenians
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@ZeeGooner i dont think that saying that Armenians are caucasian albanian whould sound to good ! but my question is : do georgians exist ? it looks like all they have is armenian, why do you think this way ? sure Artsakh and Nachicheban are Armenia, but promoting such hate, will divide you boath under Russia and muslims
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@ZeeGooner her first mistake is from the very second of that video of hers: where she sais that scolars identify ancient Colchis with present day Abkhazia, wich is false.Clochis was bigger than todays Abkhazia. Archeology sais it and Strabo makes Colchis begin at Trabzon, while Ptolemy, on the other hand, extends Pontus to the Rioni River. Pitsunda was the last town to the north in Colchis.
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago
@ZeeGooner she also says that egyptians ethiopians and cholchis where the only ones that practiced circumcission, but she doesnt mention that Herodotus uses the Egyptian origin of the practice to argue that the Cholchis in (PONTUS) are Egyptians ! so again a nother incomplete info ...
TheMistAnchorite 3 months ago